1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Welcome ins the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm ran Ink 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,079 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing. Following the Ravens twenty four to 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: twenty eight loss to the New England Patriots, rough night 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: for the Ravens that pretty much puts them on the 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: brink of getting into the playoffs. They no longer control 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: their own destiny. They would have to win out and 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: they would need the Steelers to lose out in order 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: for the Ravens to get in. With two games left, 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: just another disappointing night at home, primetime, huge game, huge stakes, 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: and the Ravens fall short. 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, this obviously it's so disappointing, and we just walked 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: out of the locker room. You could feel the disappointment 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: as you talk to the players and head coach Sean Harblaugh. 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 2: I think, honestly, like when I look at this game, 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: in so many words, it was a micro cosmo the 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 2: Ravens season and the disappointment that this season has been 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. You can go through it, 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 2: and we're gonna talk through all the specifics of it. 19 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: But it was a game where the Ravens had an 20 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: injury to quarterback Lamar Jackson, which of course, has been 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: a theme unfortunately of this season. It was a game 22 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: where the Ravens had a two score lead in the 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: fourth quarter and felt like they had it in hand 24 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: and the defense gave that up. It was a game 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: where they had costly turnovers by star players that really 26 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: hurt them. And those things have all been themes throughout 27 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: this season and some of those even previous years too. 28 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 2: And so to have all that, basically, all the things 29 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: that have haunted you at points this year be your 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: undoing in this game and I got to have a 31 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 2: game is really frustrating. 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And all of those things, like you said, 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: they've cost the Ravens games at different points of this season, 34 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: and it just kind of all came together in a 35 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: really frustrating way tonight. Let's let's jump into it here, Garrett. 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: You talk about Lamar Jackson's injury. He suffered a back 37 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: injury in the first half near the end of the 38 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: first half. John Harball afterwards described it as a bruised back, 39 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: went to the locker room and could not return in 40 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: the second half. Tyler Huntley finished the first half and 41 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: the remainder of the entirety of the second half and 42 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: Lamar after the game was clearly still in pain. He 43 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: talked to reporters and said he got some strong pain 44 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: medication in the locker room afterwards, tried to throw the 45 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: ball with a Ravens trainer in the locker room and 46 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: was just in too much pain to go back out there. 47 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Tyler Huntley said he could barely move on 48 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: the Ravens bench. He hobbled his way out to the 49 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: Ravens sideline in the second half, but could barely move. 50 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: And I mean we saw him in the locker room. 51 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: I mean it was like Frankenstein moving around. He was 52 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: extremely stiff, extremely in pain, and emotionally hurting after not 53 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: being able to finish this game in a must wing game. 54 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: The two days that really shooed out to me after 55 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: talking with Lamar in the locker room. The first was 56 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: just the severity, the pain that he was in, the 57 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: anguish that he was in. Moving from locker to leave 58 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 2: the building or leave the locker room was a challenge, 59 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: Like just even when he talked with the reporters, he 60 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 2: kind of braced himself up against the locker and was 61 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: clearly an anguish. 62 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: You could hear it in his voice. 63 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: It was a pretty raw version of Lamar that we 64 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: don't often see. And so the first was just the 65 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: physical anguish that he was in. The second, to me 66 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: was the disappointment and he just feels like he just 67 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: kept saying it's bs because he felt like these injuries 68 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: have come up multiple times this year, and this is 69 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: a guy that badly wants to be on the field, 70 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: has high expectations for himself and for this team, and 71 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: wanted to play. And he said, like all the things 72 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: that had bothered me this year, the knee and the 73 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: ankle and stuff, he didn't those weren't issues. 74 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: He was feeling good exactly. That was really the frustrating 75 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: part too, is the Ravens offense came out and the 76 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: way that Lamar was playing early in this game, Like wow, Like, 77 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: is the Ravens offense back? Is it back back? You know? 78 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: Is this an offense that you could maybe go on 79 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: a run with? And if the defense is playing well 80 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: as it has the previous weeks, like whoa wait a second, 81 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: Like we're putting it all together here, you know, in 82 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: the first quarter and then you know, Derrick Henry Fumble, 83 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: Lamar gets injured and all of a sudden, like oh god, 84 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: it's coming crumbling apart. Yeah, right, And and yeah, Lamar 85 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: was also pretty frustrated, I think by the play itself, 86 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: got neat in the back as he was going to 87 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: the ground giving himself up. Yeah, was not happy about 88 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: the way that went down. 89 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, not at all. 90 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: And you know, I just he tried everything he could 91 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: to get back in that game. You know, said he 92 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: got a turtle shot in the locker room and was 93 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: trying to do everything. 94 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: He could to play. 95 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: And he knew he understands the significance of this game, 96 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: like he knows that this is as close to a 97 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: must win game as you can have, and so he 98 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: was trying to do everything possible to get back out 99 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: there on the field, and the fact that he just 100 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: wasn't able to do it was. 101 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: Incredibly frustrating to him. 102 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: And and that was on his face as he talked 103 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 2: with reporters after the game. And I felt for him, 104 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 2: like this is Lamar has been a guy obviously throughout 105 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: his career that's like carry this team in so many 106 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: different ways, and he wanted to be out there and 107 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: playing in this game, and the fact that he wasn't 108 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: able to do it, it tears him up, and now 109 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: I know we're gonna talk about Tyler Huntley. I actually 110 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: thought he came in and did a really nice job 111 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: and moved this offense and put points on the board, 112 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 2: and I think I think he played well enough to win. 113 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: Did yep, But I mean completely nine to ten passes, yeah, 114 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: six five hoard it's pretty good. Yeah, but it's it's 115 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: different when you don't have Lamar. It's not the same offense, no, of. 116 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 2: Course, Like, and there's one there's one guy that runs 117 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: the offense the way Lamar does and it's and it's 118 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, and so not having him out there, like, 119 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: there's definitely a hit that you take, but you just could. 120 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 2: It sucked with me just how how frustrated he was 121 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 2: and by the fact that he wasn't able to get 122 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: back out there and play. 123 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Lamar said he's going to have further tests tomorrow 124 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: and we'll see what his status is for Saturday night 125 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: in Green Bay. 126 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: But he did say that that's the hope, hope, right. 127 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: He certainly did not rule himself out and so yeah, 128 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm done, he said, the hope will be to come 129 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: back and play, and so hopefully he can make that happen. 130 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, he said further testing. 131 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,679 Speaker 2: I think he said a cat scan even on Monday, 132 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: and and so we'll see. Obviously it's it's right after 133 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: the game, and you have to see how he responds 134 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: over the course of the week. But he he at 135 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: least has the hope that he's able to get back 136 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: out there and play on Saturday. Tough week two on 137 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: a short week going to Green Bay. Both the quarterbacks 138 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: on both of those teams, Jordan Loves dealing with concussion 139 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: and al Lamar's dealing with the back injuries. Both teams 140 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 2: are dealing with quarterback issues. 141 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: Now to the The other talking point of the game 142 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: is kind of just how it came on raveled here 143 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,559 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter for the Ravens, and and Kyle 144 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: Hamilton spoke this, you know, unfortunately, that's that's just been 145 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: the theme that's unfortunately been who the Ravens have been 146 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: this season, previous seasons. You know, this is this is 147 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: all an all too familiar story for the Ravens, and 148 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: you know that the blame for that goes on both 149 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: sides of the ball, offense and defense. And you know, 150 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: we'll start here offensively. I think certainly one of The 151 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: big talking points coming out of this game is why 152 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: did Derrick Henry not get the ball and the Ravens 153 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: second to last offensive drive. Ravens had an eleven point lead, 154 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: the Patriots went down, uh scored a touchdown. Ravens are 155 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: still winning by three, yep. Because they scored a touchdown 156 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: and version Ravens are winning by three. This is the 157 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: biggest drive of the seasons to this point. And it's 158 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: Keaton Mitchell out there, not Derrick Henry. Derek Henry did 159 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: not see the ball at all, or see the field 160 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: at all, not just the ball. He didn't see a 161 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: snap on that drive or for the remainder of the game. 162 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: And so an obvious question is Derrick Henry really wasn't 163 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: stopped all night for the most part. I mean, eighteen carries, 164 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty eight yards, two touchdowns. He was 165 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: averaging seven point one per carry. He wasn't stopped all night, yep. 166 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: And why wasn't he given the ball on that series 167 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: when this is what Derrick Henry has made for wearing 168 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: down teams late in the fourth quarter, especially when he's 169 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: been wearing wearing on y'all game long. 170 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's especially. 171 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: It stands out because his last carry was a touchdown 172 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: and the Ravens really rode him that entire drive down 173 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: the field before he scored on that two yard carry, 174 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: and heid the way that this was a big topic 175 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: of conversation out to the game, John hard Ball was 176 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: asked about it, Derrek Henry was asked about it, and 177 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: the way that they basically explained it is that there 178 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: is a consistent rotation between him and Keaton Mitchell, and 179 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 2: the decision was that Keith Mitchell is starting that drive 180 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: and the plan was for Derek ultimately to come in 181 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: on that drive. Now, they all they had a punt 182 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: on that they didn't have a long enough drive, but 183 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: that was that was the plan. Derek talked about the 184 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: rotation and said, this is something we've been doing really 185 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: for the second half of the season and they feel 186 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 2: like it's been working well. And he even said, like 187 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: we did this last week and it's not It wasn't 188 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: a story last week because we won, but because we lost, 189 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: it becomes a story. 190 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 4: Now. 191 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: It's obviously a story because his last carry is a touchdown. 192 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: He had he was the biggest offensive weapon of the night, 193 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: and then he doesn't see the field the rest of 194 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: the game. 195 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: I agree with him. It wouldn't it wouldn't have been 196 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: a story if they had won. Yeah that's a fact. Yeah, 197 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: but the fact that it didn't work, yeah, you know, fakes, 198 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: it makes you question, and I mean I think that 199 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: it's a it's a fair question to pose, you know. 200 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: I mean, Keith Mitchell nine carries for thirteen yards, he 201 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: averaged one point four. So it wasn't like Keaton Mitchell 202 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: was like on a hot on a heater here tonight. 203 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: Derek Henry had the high hand. Yeah, yeah, you know, 204 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: he and and and this is really they couldn't stop 205 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: him all night. This is and this is what he's 206 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: made for. And so like that that was the plan. 207 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: I think that it's fair to say, like why didn't 208 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: you break script? Like that has been you've been rotating, 209 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: but in this situation, given them what you've seen during 210 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: this game, the effectiveness that Derrick Henry has had and 211 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: Keaton wasn't hot, Like I said, like, why didn't the 212 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: Ravens break the pattern on that. 213 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 4: Drive say we're just rolling with this guy, We're just 214 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 4: we're just gonna ride Derrick Henry, Which I think is 215 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 4: a totally fair way to go, and John Harbaugh made 216 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 4: the point I didn't like that drive at all, said, 217 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 4: looking back on it, you do want Derek in there 218 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 4: on that drive. 219 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a game when he drives it. 220 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: Starting to drive, that's the quantum on the Yeah. 221 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 2: Well, now they got a first down on that drive. So, 222 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 2: like the first couple of plays ended up not mattering 223 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: really because they ultimately got one first down on that 224 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: drive with a catch by DeAndre Hopkins to move the chains. 225 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: And so you could have brought Derrick Henry in the 226 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: game at that point and said, okay, fresh set of downs, 227 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 2: let's kind of reset here. 228 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 3: And they didn't do that. 229 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: They just kept heating in that the rest of that 230 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: drive and they weren't able to move the ball and 231 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: they punted it away. 232 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: Right after that snoop completion the DeAndre Hopkins on third 233 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: and six, it was then eight yard completion for our 234 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: first down. The Ravens are now the forty three and 235 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: it's Keaton Mitchell right in for no game. So like that, 236 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: Carrie could have gone right to Derek Hennery. 237 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 3: Right, and of course you never know, like would he 238 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 3: have gotten yards? 239 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: You don't know, you know, But it's but I think 240 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: that the argument holds water considering that Derek had one 241 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty eight yards on the ground of two 242 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: touchdowns and average seven over seven yards of pop. 243 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was. 244 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: He was doing all the things in this game that 245 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 2: you talk about at the start of the season. Gets 246 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: better as the game goes along, wears teams down, gets 247 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 2: better in December, Cole don't want to tackle all those things, Like, 248 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: all of that applied to the way that he played tonight, 249 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: And so that was that was the rationality x as 250 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: the explanation from the Ravens, And I'm sure they're going 251 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: to be looking at all that as as a break 252 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 2: down this game and assess, you know, what they could 253 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: have done differently. 254 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then defensively, you know, it's also become too 255 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: familiar for the other team to just heat up in 256 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter and go on a run. I mean, 257 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: you look at it, Drake May. You know, they're chanting 258 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: MVP in empty Bank Stadium and it's for Drake May. 259 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: Down the stretch late in the fourth quarter. The Patriots 260 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: scored two straight touchdowns in the fourth quarter, seventh place 261 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: seventy three yard drive and a nine play eighty nine 262 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: yard drive. Drake May finished the game thirty one to 263 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: forty four for three hundred and eighty yards, two touchdowns 264 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: and one interception. It's the first time in his young 265 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: career that he's thrown for more than three hundred yards, 266 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: and it comes against the Ravens here in Baltimore, And 267 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's for me, it's it's two 268 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: things in trying to explain why this keeps happening, and 269 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: it's it's hard. It's hard to explain why this keeps 270 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: happening To me. I think it boils down to two things. 271 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: I think that there is a self fulfilling prophecy element 272 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: at play here to a degree. You know, like we've 273 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: seen this story before, and I think you have a 274 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: tough time blocking that out of your mind if you're 275 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: a player that like this here we go again factor. 276 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: And then I think more and the Axes knows of it. 277 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: I thought Kyle Hamilton brought up a pretty good point 278 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: after the game and that in some ways the Ravens 279 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: run defense can be to their own detriment, and the 280 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: Patriots did not have much success at all running the 281 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: ball with their running backs. I mean, Trevon Henderson was 282 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: knocked out of the game. 283 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, part of the reason they did. I mean that's 284 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 3: part of running back out of concussion. 285 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: Exactly second quarter, but there are two running backs, had 286 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: thirteen carries for fifty four yards, right, so like they 287 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: were averaging it's four yards of pop, but that's not 288 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: they were not running the ball all that great. And 289 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: really twenty one of those yards came on their final touchdown. 290 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: They're Mare Stevenson touchdown. So really they did not have 291 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: much going on the round. And in some ways that 292 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: can be to the Ravens detriment, and especially when teams 293 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: get behind, obviously they're gonna throw more, and these quarterbacks 294 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: get on a roll and they start to get hot, 295 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: and once you have a good quarterback that gets hot, 296 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: it is really hard to stop them, and like they 297 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: start carving you up. And it's a double edged sword 298 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: also for the Ravens. In order to stop that, when 299 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: teams become one dimensional and have to throw the ball, 300 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: you have to either get turnovers or incomplete or get 301 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: pat knocked down passes, or you get sacks or penalties. 302 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: You can get that if you're lucky, but we all 303 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: know that it's. 304 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: Gonna that's not the presence exactly. 305 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: You don't plan for that. Basically, you gotta get your 306 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: hands on the ball in the secondary or you gotta 307 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: get sacks. And the Ravens have had trouble getting to 308 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: the quarterback for much of the season. I mean, they're 309 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: near the they're not high in the league rankings, and 310 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: sacks at all. Quarterback pressure has been a problem. Getting turnovers, 311 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: getting interceptions has been a problem. So, like the Ravens 312 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: have not been a particularly great team when they're pinning 313 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: their ears back. Like you say, we got to stop 314 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: the run, so we have the chance to rush the 315 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: passer and do all those things we want to do 316 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: and blitz and get turnovers and all that stuff. You're 317 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: in that situation, but not making those things happen. 318 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: Well, for on turnovers, they got them tonight. They got 319 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: two turnovers. Rollal Hoover had an early interception and then 320 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: our Darius Washington had the strip sack right before half, 321 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: which actually was a big player. I know, I know, 322 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: And so they didn't get this, but you have two 323 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: turnovers on defense, Sure, that's a good starting point. And 324 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: like there's probably merit to the idea that if a 325 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: quarterback is just passing on it every down as an 326 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: MVP level quarterback that Drake may is in the conversation 327 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: and he certainly helped his cost tonight. YEP, that it's 328 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: gonna be hard to just consistently stop it. And Stefan 329 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: Diggs has been a great player for a long time 330 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: and it seems to always show up in primetime games, 331 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: which he did here tonight. So like it's it's hard 332 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: to stop those guys. But at the same time, like 333 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: every team that's trailing in the fourth quarter is passing 334 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: to try to get their way back into games. And 335 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: it seems like this is a theme for the Ravens 336 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: more so than what I see around the league in 337 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: terms of giving up these fourth quarter leads in this season. 338 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: And so like, as Kyle Hamilton put it, like it's 339 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: it's you guys, he said to the media, You guys 340 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: are tired of asking the question, We're tired of answering it. 341 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: It's become redundant, it's become a theme. And so like 342 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: the Ravens know that it's become this. You made the 343 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: point of self fulfilling prophecy. Like whether that's true or 344 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: whether it's just like this is it's happened too many 345 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: times and now we're talking about it. Ever, it does happen, 346 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: and it's this theme of this team, and well that's 347 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: the question, like how why does it keep it? 348 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: Why? 349 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: Right? 350 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: The question is why why does it keep happen? Maybe 351 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: there's no question a theme? 352 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I think it's I think it's a 353 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: worthwhile exercise to try to explain it. I don't know 354 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: that I'm like buying that rationale quite as much as 355 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: it seems like you are in terms of like the 356 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 2: run defense almost that. 357 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: Piece of it. 358 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: Like, I don't know that I'm totally buying that, like 359 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 2: the reason what do you got for me? 360 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: I do think. 361 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: I do. 362 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 2: I do think that the pass rush has has been 363 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 2: an issue and not getting after the quarterback. And Drake 364 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: May especially throughout this game, had plenty of situations where 365 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 2: he had time to step back there. 366 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 3: And throw and wait for players to develop. 367 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: A lot of times, a lot of times, sorry to 368 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: cut you off, but a lot of times, like when 369 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: you watch other games around the league, in those situations, 370 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: it's an elite pass rusher who gets a big sack 371 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: that base clean puts them in second in pan or 372 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: second in fifteen or whatever, and like that then they 373 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: close the game out from there, like you need a 374 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: negative play, yeah, right, And sacks are often what it is, 375 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: or a hold because the guy's going to sack your 376 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: quarterback and you draw a holding penalty and then now 377 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: they're off course and that's how you get them off 378 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: the field. That's often what it is. And like the 379 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: Ravens really have not had that closer at pass rusher 380 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: that you need and you're a team that's gonna be 381 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: as the Ravens have in many situations, you know. Part 382 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: of it is like, yeah, the Ravens have been in 383 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: a lot of games where they had two point or 384 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: you know, two score leads in the fourth quarter. That's 385 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: a good place to be. But like you're not going 386 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: to become the team that you should be, that you 387 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: could be until you can finish this. Yeah, And that's 388 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: been the Ravens bugaboo for years now, honestly, And so 389 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: like that's how they haven't been able to get over 390 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: the hump that way. Part of it is because they 391 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: haven't had that closer to sack the quarterback. 392 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it. 393 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 2: Likes you there's whatever blame to go around offense defense. 394 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 3: When I look at it. 395 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: You feel like if you have a two score lead 396 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 2: with over nine minutes left, like that's a lead that 397 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 2: I just feel like the Ravens defense should be able 398 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: to hold. Especially on that first touchdown drive. We kind 399 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: of glossed over that one, like they just march down 400 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: the field. It was like a three minute drive and 401 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: no time. Like if you're gonna, if you're gonna, if 402 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 2: you're gonna give up a score, you definitely don't want 403 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: it to be a quick score. You want them to 404 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: especially when you have that two score lead at that point, 405 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,239 Speaker 2: you're up eleven points there, like make them eat up 406 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 2: the clock and. 407 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: With little more quick drives. The first touchdown drive after 408 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: the Ravens took the eleven point lead, that was a 409 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: seventh place seventy three and three forty. 410 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 3: That's that's what I'm talking about. 411 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: YEA next one was nine for eighty nine and two 412 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: fifty five. They went further in less time. 413 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: I actually, I was actually okay with the second one 414 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 2: being quick because they at least gave the offense a 415 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: prayer to come back, and you and that situation, I 416 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: might just score rather than getting down at the one 417 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 2: yard line and and. 418 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 3: So Yeah, I think they're just too quick. 419 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: Like it's not it's bad enough that you go up 420 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: the yards and the points, but when you compound that 421 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 2: with it being quick, it's it's really tough. And then 422 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 2: the offense gets the ball back, has a chance to 423 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: try to come back down and score and say Flowers fumbles. 424 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's to the third prong of the 425 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: microcosm that has been the Ravens season here that we 426 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: saw tonight, Uh, the turnovers for the Ravens and and 427 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: two very costly turnovers, obviously the one that really ended 428 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: the game. Zay Flowers loses the ball after making a 429 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: catch and and he got careless. He's trying to make 430 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: a play, he's trying to cut back on somebody. Ball 431 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: comes out away from his body as he's trying as 432 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: he's juking, and put a punch out from behind. And 433 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: and we've seen that now too many times from from Zay, 434 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: you know. And then early on it's another Derrick Henry 435 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: fumble and that really short circuited early momentum that the 436 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,239 Speaker 1: Ravens had offensively. They marched down the field on their 437 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: opening drive score touchdowns to begin the game. Then they 438 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: get the interception, go right back down the field. You 439 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: have a chance to go up two touchdowns in the 440 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: first quarter and you're in scoring position. Derrick Henry fumbles 441 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: at the end of a solid run, and so those 442 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: are killers. It also kills you that it's two of 443 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 1: your best players, you know, and it's been all season, 444 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, going all the way back to 445 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: Buffalo and the Derrick Henry fumble in that game, the 446 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: Detroit game here on primetime. You know, too many fumbles 447 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: in critical situations for Derrick Henry. And he was very 448 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: honest after the game also and saying for him personally, 449 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: it's been a really frustrating season. You know, for the team, 450 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: it has been with the expectations that everybody came into 451 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: this year with, and for him personally, it's just been 452 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: a really frustrating season because he feels like he's made 453 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: to any of these kinds of mistakes. 454 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said that he felt like he basically took 455 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: the wind out of the team's sales with that fumble 456 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: in the first in the first half, again, it's looking 457 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: like it's gonna be a two score lead, at least 458 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 2: ten nothing, maybe fourteen nothing. It felt like it was 459 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 2: gonna be a quick touchdown based on the way that 460 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 2: the offense looked at that point, and so and then 461 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 2: it just then things comeound and this is like part 462 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: of the problem. But he fumbles, then the page shoots, 463 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: get the ball, they march right down the field touchdown. 464 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: Then the offense gets the ball back three and out. 465 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 3: And then also drop. 466 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: Pass run for one yard and Lamar Jackson passed a 467 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: shot by more than on the same page nowhere in 468 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: the same zip code, you know, I mean, just like 469 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: you're like, oh boy, now here we go, right, and 470 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: so it's like, at. 471 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 2: One point it felt like, man, the raves are gonna 472 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 2: run away with this thing. 473 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 3: Here we go. 474 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: H this team is gonna be gonna be an It 475 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 2: was right, and then all of a sudden it all 476 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: came to a screeching halt, and that's part of the problem. 477 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: And then yeah, the fumble at the end of the game, 478 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: I think, say, isay somebody who's always trying to make 479 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: a play and at that point of the game you 480 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 2: do have to make a play because you had a 481 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 2: long way to go there. 482 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: But it's all that was fourth down, like like you. 483 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: I think part of it, honestly, for this team is 484 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: like it's been, it's been a tough season so far, 485 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: and I think that they want to break through so bad, 486 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: and all of them do, and I think that, like, 487 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: especially the stars of this team feel like, hey, I'm 488 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: one of the I'm one of the guys, Like I'm 489 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 1: a star on this team, and I need to make 490 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: a play. Everybody wants to make that play help this 491 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: team get over the hump and break through and finally 492 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: get on track, you know, offensively specifically, and I and 493 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's to a degree defensively too, but offensively, 494 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: I just I feel that like, you know, you're just 495 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: you're trying to do too much. You get careless of 496 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: the ball. You know, you're reaching the ball out I say, 497 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: likely you know in previous games, and you know you're 498 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: just not doing the fundamentals that it takes to win 499 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: because you're trying to make a play so much to win. Yeah, right, 500 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: And and that can be to your detriment. And it 501 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: just feels like it's been that way all season long, 502 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: where they've been like fighting against the current. 503 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 3: You know, yeah, no doubt. 504 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 2: So we'll take a break when we come back, we'll 505 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: look ahead to what the Ravens have on the horizon 506 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: and give our final thoughts on this game here against 507 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: the Patriots. You're listening to the Lounge podcast. We are 508 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: coming to you from the Sea Geek Studio. We want 509 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: to mention our partners with Draftickings Sportsbook. They are an 510 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens DraftKings Sportsbook. 511 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 3: The crown is. 512 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: Yours, so before we completely turn the page. One other 513 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 2: note from this game was special teams now a little 514 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: bit up and down. The Ravens get the big stop 515 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: on fourth down, which was a big moment in this game. 516 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 2: Great play by Tess Walker. 517 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 3: Got a saxonite. Tes Walker got a saxonite. 518 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 2: Did not expect that one in the stat sheet coming 519 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: into the game. But on the flip side, Tyler Loop 520 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 2: comes up way short on a fifty six yard field 521 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: goal that the Ravens really needed at that point of 522 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: the game. 523 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 3: And for a. 524 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 2: Guy that we've talked about how he has a huge 525 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: leg and we've seen that in practice and in preseason, 526 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: I was shocked when that one came up the way 527 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: that it did. And I don't know if he just 528 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 2: mishit it, but that was pretty startling to see that 529 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 2: one come up short for a guy that has such 530 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: a big leg. 531 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that would have been a season long 532 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: slash career along for Tyler Loop this year. It was 533 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: a big kick and he hasn't been in a ton 534 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: of high leverage situations this year. His season long is 535 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: fifty two yards, So that was a big kick and 536 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: he missed it, right, And is it a gimme? Certainly not. Yeah, 537 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, fifty six yards in late December is not 538 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: in this stadium. Is not a slam dunk by any 539 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination. But like you know, you're brought 540 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: here to make kicks. And I don't think he's gonna 541 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: make excuses about it either. He feels like he should 542 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: make that kick. And the raven you know, he was 543 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: the Ravens guy. And this one of the kind of 544 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: the sub stories of this game was Andy Borigalis, the 545 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 1: Patriots rookie kicker, was the first draft kicker draft after 546 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: this year, and the Ravens were sweating it out then 547 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: and the Patriots might take their guy, Tyler Loop. They 548 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: took any Borialis. The Ravens got in the Tyler Loop 549 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: four pickx later and borri Allis. Was he won the night, 550 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, I mean he had a forty five yard kick, 551 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: went two for two, I was perfect on his extra 552 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: points and leapsmiths that did hurt. 553 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 554 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 2: So now the Ravens have two games left in the 555 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 2: regular season. They do not control their own destiny any longer. 556 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 2: Things just got off on the wrong foot here because 557 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: everybody in the stadium was watching the game, the Steelers 558 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 2: Lions game, as during warm ups they headed on the 559 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 2: video boards here, so there was kind of a buzz 560 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 2: in the stadium as the Lions were mounting a comeback 561 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 2: in that one, and the Steelers end up winning that game, 562 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: and so that meant the Ravens had to keep pace 563 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 2: and they didn't. 564 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: So now the. 565 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: Ravens need help in order to get to the playoffs. 566 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 2: First of all, the Ravens need to beat the Green 567 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 2: Bay Packers on Saturday night, and then they need the 568 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns to do the Ravens a favor and beat 569 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 2: the Steelers on Sunday. 570 00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 571 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 2: If those things have happened, then it's a Week eighteen win, 572 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,719 Speaker 2: a get in game. If the Ravens lose or if 573 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: the Steelers win, then that's all she wrote, the week 574 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 2: eighteen is relevant and doesn't matter. 575 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: That's there. 576 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: They're eliminated. 577 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 3: Yep, the Ravens are done. 578 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: And so that's the that's the scenario that we're looking 579 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 2: at going into these final two games of the season. 580 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: There's obviously a frustration and disappointment around that, but the 581 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: Ravens also are just gonna They're gonna. 582 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: Well, the Ravens play Saturday night. They have everything to 583 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: play for on Saturday night in Green Bay, right The 584 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: Steelers don't play till Sunday, so that game has a 585 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: ton of meeting and you know, we'll see about Lamar Jackson. 586 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: Jordan Love, the Packers starting quarterback left their game yesterday 587 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: with a concussion, so whether he's able to play or 588 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: not is very much in question as well. And but 589 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: the Ravens, first things first have to take care of 590 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: their own business and they need to win in lambeau Field. 591 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: And then then they pray to the football gods that 592 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Rounds can pull off an upset. And who knows, right, 593 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a AFC North game in Cleveland. You know, 594 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: Sheder Sanders has played well at times and had that offense, 595 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: and you never know, what the Browns defense and get 596 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll be rooting for Miles Garrett to 597 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: get ten sacks in that game. 598 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 2: Well, look the record, the Browns almost beat the Buffalo 599 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: Bills today exactly. 600 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: The Brown's played pretty darn well today. You know, they 601 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: just lost their rookie running back WHI John Judkins to 602 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: a pretty gnarly injury, is what it looks like. So look, 603 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: the Browns will be underdogs in that game. It will 604 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: be an upset, but is it impossible? Certainly not so 605 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: the Ravens. First thing, first, they got to recover after 606 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: a tough loss yere. They got to get healthier Lamar Jackson, 607 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: you know needs I know what I'll have on why 608 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: Christmas wish list, and that's for a healthy back for 609 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. And and they got to try to win 610 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: that game. 611 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. 612 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 2: So thank you as always for listening to the podcast. 613 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 2: You can email us with the Lounge at Ravens dot 614 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: NFL dot net. 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