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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to this live edition of Fair Territory.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Alana Rizzo, welcoming our guest, Jesse Rogers.

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Speaker 1: Of course you've seen him all over Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 1: primarily with ESPN and does a great job covering all

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Speaker 1: thirty teams. He's going to break down Game two of

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Speaker 1: the ALCS the beginning of the NLCS. Jesse, great to

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Speaker 1: be with you, But there is some breaking news out

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Speaker 1: of San Diego. It has been reported that Mike Schildt

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Speaker 1: has announced his retirement from managing the Padres. This is

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Speaker 1: per Kevin Ace of the San Diego Union. Tell me

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Speaker 1: more about what you know about this. It's interesting though,

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Speaker 1: the wording, my friend not retiring as a manager, but

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Speaker 1: retiring as manager of the Friars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not using the language like quitting or stepping away.

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Speaker 2: I mean retiring from the manager of the Padres is

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Speaker 2: curious wording. So have to figure that out. I actually

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Speaker 2: know Mike well, as a lot of people do, and

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Speaker 2: this one a surprise to me. So there's got to

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Speaker 2: be more to this story than just that statement. Right,

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Speaker 2: So we'll find out. This team came up short in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, but they made the playoffs, had really good

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Speaker 2: back to back seasons under Mike Schildt. He's done a

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Speaker 2: good job there, but they didn't get past those first

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Speaker 2: couple rounds, so we'll have to see.

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Speaker 3: It's a bit surprising.

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Speaker 2: But in San Diego, you know, we had changes ever

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Speaker 2: in the win there with Aj Preller in charge, but

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Speaker 2: we really got to get to the bottom of what

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Speaker 2: that wording actually means, Alana. So I think it's really

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Speaker 2: a surprise to people around baseball. Look, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of managerial jobs open, so there's you know, not that

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Speaker 2: many great managers out there. According to general managers, he

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Speaker 2: was at least a good one that had good seasons.

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Speaker 3: So this is a bit surprising. But there's got to

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Speaker 3: be more to this story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can read the story from Kevin ac

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Speaker 1: of the San Diego Union Tribune. He's the one that

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Speaker 1: broke the story, Jesse. And it's interesting though, because Mike

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Speaker 1: Schilt is walking away from a contract that has two

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Speaker 1: years remaining, citing a quote severe toll unquote the job

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Speaker 1: has taken on him quote mentally and physically. I mean,

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Speaker 1: people think, oh, San Diego a great place to live,

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Speaker 1: but with that expectation of a j Priller at the helmet.

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Speaker 1: Of course, with the recent passing of their former owner

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Speaker 1: Peter Sidler, you have to wonder if the expectation was

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Speaker 1: just too much. What's your take on the fact that

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Speaker 1: he's walking away citing mental and physical toll.

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Speaker 2: I just covered him in the playoffs in the first

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Speaker 2: round against the Cubs, and I was in on those

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Speaker 2: meetings because I was doing the sideline reporting, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's stressful. It's stressful, but he seemed to enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: But you never know what's going on in a person's personal life.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to this grind that these guys go on,

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Speaker 2: it takes a toll.

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Speaker 3: It absolutely takes a toll.

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Speaker 2: I was joking within a GM recently about you know,

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Speaker 2: being away from your wife during during the playoffs and mentioned,

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Speaker 2: you know, we were talking about the husband Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: and the response was, is any husband in the Hall

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Speaker 2: of fame? When it comes to baseball? Like, if you're

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Speaker 2: in the sport, it's tough, it's tough. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: it's it's a grind, and I guess we none of

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Speaker 2: us should be shocked if someone steps away from from

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Speaker 2: from the daily grind. As good as those jobs are

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Speaker 2: as much as he wanted to do it again after

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Speaker 2: what happened in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 3: I think anybody in the sport can relate to the

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Speaker 3: stress and the grind of it all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm surprised most of us have not been dfaed.

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Speaker 1: Those that cover us cover this sport on a daily basis, Jesse.

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Speaker 1: Switching our focus now to the Alcs. Obviously, Game one

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Speaker 1: was last night. The Mariners take the win in Game

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Speaker 1: one against the Jayson Thank you just drew a blank there.

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Speaker 1: So obviously the Blue Jays looking to even things up tonight.

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Speaker 1: What was your biggest takeaway from Game one?

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's easy. The fact that the Mariners won.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you're not supposed to win that

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Speaker 2: game fifteen innings, two nights before flying across the country there.

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Speaker 2: You're supposed to give that game away. You're supposed to

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Speaker 2: punt that game. They didn't do that, and it certainly

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Speaker 2: looked like they would in the first inning. Bryce Miller

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Speaker 2: Of course cal Rawley did his thing. But the fact

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Speaker 2: It's so obvious. I mean, Blue Jays need to win

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Speaker 2: boost Seattle will get if they sweep there will be amazing.

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Speaker 3: So that's it to me, Just the fact that they.

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Speaker 2: Grinded out a win, just, you know, a little while

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Speaker 2: after celebrating the fifteen inning affair in the Alds amazing,

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Speaker 2: amazing stuff by Bryce Miller after giving up that leadoff

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Speaker 1: Honestly, Jesse, when Bryce Miller gave up the leadoff home

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Speaker 1: run to George Springer on the first pitch, I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh jeez, that obviously didn't take long. But you're like,

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Speaker 1: here you go for the Mariners, their woes, and then

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Speaker 1: they lose Lucas and the you know, the first app

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Speaker 1: neat contusion as far as that concerned. What's the most

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Speaker 1: impressive thing about the Mariners coming back and winning that game.

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Speaker 1: I know you talked about the fatigue from the fifteen

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Speaker 1: been a resilient bunch. I know we throw that word

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Speaker 1: around a lot, but what's the most impressive thing?

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Speaker 2: Well, the fact that they did it and I think

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Speaker 2: one hundred pitches after Bryce Miller threw twenty seven in

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Speaker 2: the first inning, they just mowed him down after that.

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Speaker 2: This was a Blue Jays offense that was on fire

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Speaker 2: against the Yankees, on fire in the second half of

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Speaker 2: this season, and it just kind of disappeared after that

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Speaker 2: Springer homer. It just goes to show you and never

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Speaker 2: known baseball, but to finish throwing one hundred pitches after

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Speaker 2: twenty seven came in that first inning with a pitching

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Speaker 2: staff that was, you know, by definition tired after fifteen

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Speaker 3: I thought that was the most amazing thing.

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Speaker 2: And then most of the credit goes to Bryce Miller,

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Speaker 2: but also the relief corps that finished off that game

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Speaker 3: So many stolen.

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Speaker 2: Right out from underneath the Toronto Blue Jays who got

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Speaker 1: Yeah, after that first inning with Nathan Lukes and Bryce

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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 1: Does the fact that John Snyder took Kevin Gossman out

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Speaker 1: What was your take on that?

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Speaker 3: It doesn't. It doesn't. And look, it's so interesting.

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Speaker 2: A lot of managers during the regular season are being

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Speaker 2: reactive most of the time. In the postseason, they have

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Speaker 2: to be proactive by definition. These are short series, especially

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Speaker 2: the best of three and best of five, best of seven.

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Speaker 2: Little different, maybe a little different, but you have to

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Speaker 2: make the move before your pitcher gets into deep trouble,

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Speaker 2: before he gives up runs, or in the regular season

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Speaker 2: you can react to it. It's just a different animal.

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Speaker 2: And look, he gave up the home run, he gave.

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Speaker 3: Up a walk.

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Speaker 2: The walk after the home run is telling to me.

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Speaker 2: The pitch to Raleigh was you know, it wasn't the

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Speaker 2: best split. So so again, is he tiring a little bit?

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Speaker 3: The walk? I get it. I totally get it. Now.

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Speaker 2: The reliever after him didn't didn't perform, and you're gonna

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Speaker 2: second guess. But I understand being proactive. The first sign

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Speaker 2: fifth or sixth inning. These days, managers are going to

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Speaker 2: make the move. And you understand why. There's there's no

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Speaker 2: tomorrow essentially, even though there's a few games left, like

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Speaker 2: every game is so important, so I don't have a

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Speaker 2: problem with it. Maybe in another scenario I will have

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Speaker 2: a problem with it. But the walk after the home

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Speaker 2: run is what's telling to me. One pitch is one thing,

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Speaker 2: after that, that's that's to me that Okay, let's be

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Speaker 2: proactive about this, not reactive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, quick hooks in the postseason, I understand exactly what

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Speaker 1: you're saying. Focusing now on the NLCS Jesse Rodgers, the Brewers,

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Speaker 1: of course, the host against the reigning champion Dodgers. This

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Speaker 1: is a Brewers team Jesse that's been unbelievable all season long,

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Speaker 1: best record in baseball. They've dominated the National League wire

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Speaker 1: its way into the postseason six and oher in the

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. It has nothing to do with it. The

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Speaker 2: Dodgers were banged up, some of their pitchers weren't even

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Speaker 2: might do is give some Brewers hitters some confidence against

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Speaker 2: you feel confident because you beat them a few times

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Speaker 3: But honestly, it means nothing.

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Speaker 2: I covered the Cubs and Mets in twenty fifteen. The

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Speaker 3: It really doesn't matter now.

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Speaker 2: It helped them win the season series and then the

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Speaker 2: best record in baseball because of they went six to

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Speaker 3: So it wasn't meaningful at the time, But in.

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Speaker 2: Terms of a carryover effect, a lot of it really

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Speaker 1: And the Dodgers get Blake Snell in Game one, Yoshinobu

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Speaker 1: Yamamoto in Game two. I feel, Jesse that this is

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Speaker 1: time that the Dodgers starting staff has been all together

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Speaker 1: and all healthy. How much does that factor into the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of wild.

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Speaker 2: If you go back to early in the season, the

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Speaker 2: Dodgers had no starting pitching but plenty in the bullpen

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Speaker 2: before those guys kind of faltered and got hurt. The Brewers,

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Speaker 2: but now they're a little thin there, but have this

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Speaker 2: great bullpen. It's reversed itself. And the fact that they

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Speaker 2: need him to, you know, stretch him as a starter

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Speaker 2: they have enough now with klas Now Andy, I'm a Moto.

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Speaker 3: And Snow so yeah.

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Speaker 2: I find it fascinating that the Borer's strength is their pen,

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Speaker 2: the Dodger strength as their starting staff and let's see,

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Speaker 2: you know, let the best man win, depending on how

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Speaker 2: that all works out. But it's it's gonna be a

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Speaker 2: tough task for those Burers hitters against the Dodger staff

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Speaker 2: coming together.

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Speaker 1: Joe Hey, O'tani not starting in at least the first

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Speaker 1: two games, and there's been a bit of an offensive

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Speaker 1: slump for the greatest guy in the game, Jesse Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: When you're talking about Otani, does that make you scratch

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Look, there's a lot of guys through four or six

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Speaker 3: Not a lot of rhyme or reason to it.

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Speaker 2: I guess if you added up ten octobers in a

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like that guy that has a bad

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Speaker 2: you're great in March, you're usually bad in April. So

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Speaker 2: I think that's the only way to look at this.

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Speaker 2: I picked him for the MVP of the series simply

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Speaker 2: because he did slump. How long is he going to slump?

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Speaker 2: It's probably not going to be for two more series

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Speaker 2: out of it. I don't know if it's tonight, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a hard man to keep down for long.

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Speaker 1: His countrymen and teammate Roki Sasaki. Jesse is this man

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Speaker 1: at the closer that the Dodgers fans didn't know they needed.

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Speaker 1: I swear he was gone for six months. Nobody knew

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Speaker 1: where he was. That two pitch pitcher has come up

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Speaker 1: big and has paid huge dividends in the pen. What

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you love about baseball, right, you never know?

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Speaker 2: They signed Tanner Scott, they signed Kirby, spend so much

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Speaker 3: Like they had to the other day.

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Speaker 2: I think they really just want one inning and save

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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what two pitch pitchers really are meant for,

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Speaker 2: he'll develop as a starter. But I think it's a

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Speaker 2: brilliant idea. I mean, I think it's a brilliant idea.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't really stretched out. Let's put him in the

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Speaker 2: and let's rock and roll. He's still an unknown in

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Speaker 2: this league. That stuff is so new. Hitters are having

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Speaker 2: talking to a veteran who said, yeah, sometimes playoff experience

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Speaker 2: when you're kind of young and dumb, that's fun too.

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Speaker 2: You don't know any better, and I don't think Sasaki

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Speaker 3: So I love the move. It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: What to start. Contrasts from the time in which he

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Speaker 1: Muto to move on, Jesse, Let's brag on the Brewers

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Speaker 1: a little bit. The average joes they are not. What

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's going to get a ton of innings.

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Speaker 2: Whether he starts in the first inning or comes in

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Speaker 2: He's going to pitch four to five innings each time out,

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Speaker 3: But boy, that's an electric arm and he's able to

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Speaker 2: I think it's no coincidence that his two postseason appearances

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying they won't use him on the road,

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Speaker 2: So I think tonight is a good opportunity, or I

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Speaker 2: he's more comfortable at home. Sort of harness that and

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Speaker 2: use the crowd to his advantage. But he'll start or

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Speaker 2: and they'll go from there. But what an arm, what

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Speaker 2: a talent, and if he could continue to harness it.

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Speaker 2: You know, his last outing against the Cubs, first time

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Speaker 3: I mean this was four hintings too. It wasn't just

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Speaker 2: So I mean, if he's not issuing walks and he's

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Speaker 3: Watch out at guy's a weapon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty twenty five All Star the Miz. We'll see

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Speaker 1: him come up big, hopefully for the Brewers in this series.

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Speaker 1: Coming up here on Fair Territory with Jesse Rogers today,

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Speaker 1: what went wrong, and what does their offseason look like.

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Speaker 3: Where where where were.

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Speaker 4: All?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Time now for Inside Dish with Jesse Rogers. And I know, Jesse,

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Speaker 1: you cover all thirty teams for ESPN, but you spend

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Speaker 1: Cubs and the White Sox in your home base of Chicago.

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Speaker 1: What went wrong with the Cubs in terms of the postseason,

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Speaker 1: if you will, And what does their offseason look like

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Speaker 1: in your estimation?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of interesting a lot.

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Speaker 2: I actually think they reached their ceiling, like winning a

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Speaker 2: And I do think even though five of their nine

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Speaker 2: that's gonna happen. You're gonna have your good moments and

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Speaker 2: bad moments. Offensively, it was a good offense it. It

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Speaker 2: great second half, but in general, it is what it

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Speaker 3: I actually think they were short.

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Speaker 2: On the mountain and they didn't prepare for this at

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Speaker 2: Justin Steele went down early. You can't use that excuse

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Speaker 2: in the postseason. But they did lose Kate Horton very late,

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Speaker 2: and you can't overcome that necessarily. So they they were

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Speaker 2: And the bigger story is their bullpen was pieced together

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Speaker 2: Daniel Palencia and he's still harnessing his talent. They had

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Speaker 3: But they didn't fortify, for.

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Speaker 2: Example, at the deadline like some of these other teams did.

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Speaker 2: Duran changed hands and I don't even care if these

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Speaker 2: that they should have done more if they thought about

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Speaker 3: So I feel like they hit their ceiling. But it

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what they can do to sort of

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Speaker 3: That they have here. I think they need to do

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Speaker 2: Their position player group is basically set barring what you know.

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Speaker 2: Forget Kyle Tucker for a moment, because that's a big

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Speaker 2: what if in right field, But other than that, they've

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Speaker 2: got a decent group and a couple of young players

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Speaker 1: There we go, Jesse. I think I lost you there

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Speaker 1: for a second, but I think I have you back.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this about Kyle Tucker. Is Kyle

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: But it's not unlimited, and I think if there was

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Speaker 2: Not impossible, especially if he wanted a short term deal.

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Speaker 2: If he accepted the qualifying offer, all very doubtful. Most

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Speaker 2: I don't think the Cubs want to tie up thirty

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Speaker 2: twenty nine other teams. Doesn't make much business sense on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very likely the one year that he was with

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Speaker 1: long time. All Right, coming up on fair territory with

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Speaker 1: Jesse Rogers today, we're gonna ask Jesse some questions. So

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Speaker 3: Only.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Rogers would show up to a barbecue in a

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Speaker 1: suit and time now to grill you, Jesse. The first

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Speaker 1: question is in regards to Justin Steel. Ryan wants to

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Speaker 1: know is he supposed to be ready by spring? What's

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Speaker 1: the big picture outlook for Justin?

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Speaker 2: I don't think he'll be ready to take regular turns

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Speaker 2: in the rotation by spring, but certainly early in the season,

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Speaker 2: maybe May, if I'm remembering it correctly, So he'll be

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Speaker 2: a little bit behind everybody else, but not too far.

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Speaker 2: And I think you can you can hope to consider

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Speaker 2: him as a major contributor in twenty twenty six, even

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Speaker 2: if it is in April.

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Speaker 1: First, Okay, all division winners Jesse Rodgers are advancing, of course, Toronto, Milwaukee, Seattle,

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Speaker 1: and Los Angeles. I would want you to rank the

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Speaker 1: home atmospheres of the four remaining teams standing. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with the American leg. Let's start with Toronto.

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Speaker 3: I would put it at a six and a half.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: They're nice in Canada, though they're not gonna be springing

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Speaker 2: the opponent's game like the regally crowd was with Freddy Peralta.

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Speaker 3: But it can get rockets for sure up there. Maybe

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Speaker 3: maybe more than six and a half.

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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest, I haven't been to a game

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Speaker 2: in Toronto in a few years, so I shouldn't downgrade it.

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Speaker 3: But it's pretty darn good. I'll put it that way,

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna have the roof open tonight. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: that makes any sort of difference in terms of that outcome.

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Speaker 1: What about Seattle? Obviously Seattle, We're going to get to

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Speaker 1: Rob's question in just a second. Seattle, right ranks Seattle

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Speaker 1: than LA, than Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Seattle is probably one among those three.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's been just crazy there and it will

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Speaker 2: only take another take it to another level in the ALCS.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the Dodger fans, it can be

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Speaker 2: very good, it can be very good. But I will

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Speaker 2: say the Brewer fans reacted, I think, to what was

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Speaker 2: going on at really and brought it in Game five.

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Speaker 2: I put the Brewers and Dodgers similar. Dome open, don't close.

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Speaker 2: Can make a difference, certainly, but I think I think

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Speaker 2: most people would say Dodger Stadium can get going, and

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Speaker 2: and fam Field as well. But I'd put safeg above them.

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Speaker 2: I'd put what happens in Seattle above those two.

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Speaker 1: All right, it's gonna be interesting to see. I think

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Speaker 1: the Citizens Bank fans the most difficult place to go

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Speaker 1: into and play. Unfortunately, the Phillies have been kicked out.

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Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna have much more questions after this,

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Speaker 1: but one really quick one from rob What do you

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Speaker 1: think about the tactic of turning starters into relievers in

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Speaker 1: the postseason? Will we see more of this in the

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Speaker 1: coming years. We have about sixty seconds to answer this

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Speaker 1: one easy.

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Speaker 3: The answer is yes.

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Speaker 2: I mean unless you somehow have for healthy, ready to

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Speaker 2: go starters like the Dodgers have, only because they slow

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Speaker 2: played them. Even Doc Roberts said yesterday, Yeah, we could

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Speaker 2: have pitched Blake Snell earlier in the year, but we didn't.

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Speaker 3: So the Dodgers are one thing.

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Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see openers and folk innings and

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Speaker 2: just trying to get twenty seven outs. Hopefully the agents

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Speaker 2: catch up with it and say, hey, my guys pitching

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Speaker 2: inning two through four, pay him in the playoffs, you know,

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Speaker 2: for what he does in the playoffs. Oh, I think yes.

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Speaker 2: The answers we're going to see more weird permutations of

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Speaker 2: how pitchers are used in the postseason unless you simply

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Speaker 2: have four decent starters ready to rock and roll, and

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Speaker 2: very few teams do.

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Speaker 1: Hey, for those of you still with us, we're glad

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Speaker 1: that you are still here. A couple of more questions

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Speaker 1: for Jesse Rodgers. This is a fair question. Jesse I

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Speaker 1: wonder this too. Robert just has a simple one David Ross.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that means for San Diego or

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Speaker 1: another open managerial spot. What do you think?

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Speaker 2: It's funny because I do think he'd be a decent

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Speaker 2: fit in San Diego. I mean, the sort of theme

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Speaker 2: around Ross would be put him with a veteran club

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Speaker 2: or one that's ready to win more than a rebuilding one,

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Speaker 2: just for obvious reasons. He's kind of that grizzled you know,

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Speaker 2: Grandpa Ross, right, But I think he learned a lot

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Speaker 2: in his first gig. There's a ton of openings. He's

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Speaker 2: going to end up somewhere. I wouldn't doubt that Preller

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Speaker 2: will interview him. I don't doubt that the thinking, the

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Speaker 2: common thinking is Baltimore, Atlanta for sure, and now why

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Speaker 2: not throw San Diego into the mix. So I think

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Speaker 2: Ross is the right guy at the right time in

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Speaker 2: a lot of ways, like being out of the game

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Speaker 2: and you know, coming back into it with so many

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Speaker 2: openings I think, and he didn't leave.

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Speaker 3: In it with a bad reputation at all.

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Speaker 2: So I do think he gets one of these gigs,

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Speaker 2: and San Diego would be intriguing for sure.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a quick question about Manny Ramier

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Speaker 1: or Manny Ramirez, Manny Manchado. Do you think that there's

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Speaker 1: a Bucks Show Walter Manny Machado reunion in San Diego.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens in San Diego. A lot of

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Speaker 1: managerial openings for all of you watching. We're gonna still

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Speaker 1: wait and see if Jesse Rogers comes back. Put some

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Speaker 1: questions in the chat here. I'll see if I can

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Speaker 1: answer any of these for you guys. It says it's over,

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Speaker 1: says the Orioles and Rays will bounce back, while either

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Speaker 1: the Yankees or Red Slacks will fall back and end

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Speaker 1: up in last place. It's an interesting take in terms

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Speaker 1: of it's over. Who were the free Phillies free agents

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Speaker 1: next year? A lot Johnny Owen, Kyle Schwarber obviously the biggest,

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Speaker 1: Probably free agents, Ranger Suarez the free agents of course,

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Speaker 1: with the Philadelphia Phillies. Let's see, imagine if the Mets

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Speaker 1: get Kyle and the Phillies get Pete Alonzo. How funny

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Speaker 1: will that be? It would be that would certainly shake

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Speaker 1: up the NL East, if you will, Who else do

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Speaker 1: we have in the chat here? As we wait for

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Speaker 1: Jesse to come back on, Johnny Owen, Why would anyone

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Speaker 1: want to manage the Padres? Aj Preller just trades the

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Speaker 1: farm every deadline. That's not necessarily true, Johnny, because one

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Speaker 1: thing that aj Preller does is he spends money, and he,

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Speaker 1: much like Jerry Depoto in Seattle, is willing to make moves.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't fault the front office and the

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Speaker 1: ownership group for what they were able to do with

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Speaker 1: the San Diego Potters. They brought in a tremendous amount

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Speaker 1: of talent Allah Mason Miller to fortify what was already

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Speaker 1: a ridiculously good bullpen. I mean, San Diego is a

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Speaker 1: winnable team. This is a team that obviously spends money.

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Speaker 1: They can certainly compete with the Los Angeles Dodgers in

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Speaker 1: the n L West. I think San Diego is a

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Speaker 1: very desirable place to manage. A lot of it depends,

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Speaker 1: perhaps on the culture Jesse, and I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: was answering a question, welcome back, my friend, Johnny. No

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Speaker 1: one asked, No, it's okay. Why would anybody Johnny wants

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Speaker 1: to know, why would anybody want to manage the Padres?

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Speaker 1: I think it's a desirable place. It just you know,

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Speaker 1: you have that's a team that spends money. I mean,

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Speaker 1: why why should why should managers want to go to

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Speaker 1: San Diego?

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it's one of thirty great jobs

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Speaker 2: that we have in this industry. It is San Diego,

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Speaker 2: nice place to live. They are trying to compete. Now

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Speaker 2: we'll see if they're going to continue to spend money.

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Speaker 2: But look, plenty have teams that don't spend money compete

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Speaker 2: as well. It's tough to be in the division with

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers, but that's why you have three wildcards. You

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Speaker 2: got to win on the margins. If you're not going

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Speaker 2: to spend, you got to develop. That's what these smaller

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Speaker 2: markets like Milwaukee do. So it's desirable for a lot

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Speaker 2: of reasons. You still have to tease there. You still have,

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Speaker 2: you know, a good core. Why not San Diego. J

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Speaker 2: Preler doesn't meddle too much with his managers. I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's a good job to have. It's just tough

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Speaker 2: to beat the Dodgers. But you have to think about

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Speaker 2: the wild card most years, and that's okay too.

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Speaker 3: So I don't see why not San Diego.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, have you been to San Diego? I'll take it.

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Speaker 1: Anybody want to hire me, I'll take it. That's gonna

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Speaker 1: do it. For this episode of Fair Territory with our

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Speaker 1: guest Jesse Rogers, we appreciate your insight as always, best

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Speaker 1: of luck covering the NLCS. Thanks for being with us today, guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm your host Elana Rizzo, Ken Rosenthal and myself. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back on Wednesday a special episode of Fair Territory

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