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Speaker 1: On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 2: Recognize that we are the expert of our own experience

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Speaker 2: and nobody can prescribe your journey.

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Speaker 3: You are the expert, so own it.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is sure to provide you with motivation, inspiration,

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting

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Speaker 4: women like you. We're your hosts, Doctor Dominique Broussard, a

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Speaker 4: college professor and psychologist.

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Speaker 5: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. In a

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Speaker 5: world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, please

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Speaker 5: join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from

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Speaker 5: fibroids to fake friends, and create a safe space where

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Speaker 5: black women can just be.

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Speaker 6: Hey, lady, it's doctor dom here from the Cultivating her

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Speaker 5: You Okay, lady, Today we have a very special guest

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Speaker 5: with such an inspired hiring, interesting and impactful background that

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Speaker 5: I'm hesitant to even try to encapsulate this person with

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Speaker 5: the bio.

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Speaker 3: So here's what I'll say.

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Speaker 5: Gerald Garth currently serves as the executive director of the

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Speaker 5: AHMAD Institute, which stands for Arming Minorities against Addiction and Disease.

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Speaker 5: This institute provides programs and services to the LGBTQ communities

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Speaker 5: of color in South Los Angeles with a focus on

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Speaker 5: is also the president of Eliot Pride and has had

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Speaker 5: a transformative impact on the lives he's touched. There is

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Speaker 5: so much more that we could say, because Jarald has

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Speaker 5: done all the things, So we're just going to jump

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Speaker 5: on in. Jerald welcome to cultivating her space. We are

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Speaker 5: so happy to have you here. There's anything that you

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Speaker 3: Let us know and we can jump into this conversation.

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Speaker 2: No, I think that was great and again so glad

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Speaker 2: some great conversation today.

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Speaker 7: All right, well, we will start with our quote of

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Speaker 7: the day. And Gerald, this quote will sound familiar to

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Speaker 7: So the quote comes to us from doctor Cornell West

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Speaker 7: and Jerald, you're shaking your head because you already know. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: believe so, Yes, our quote of the day. You cannot

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Speaker 7: lead our people if you don't love our people. And

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna say that one more time for the people

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Speaker 7: tell us you know why this quote is so important

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, doctor Domind. Like you said, that quote

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Speaker 2: Before I moved into this space of public service, I

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Speaker 2: recognizing that there was so much opportunity for us to

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Speaker 5: That's so powerful already. Okay, let's start not preaching. Well, yeah, so, Gerald,

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Speaker 7: Yes, listen, I am here for this connecting the dots

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Speaker 7: and pursuing the means that like that bring you joy. Yes,

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Speaker 7: you are now the executive director of the Ahmad Institute. Yes,

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Speaker 7: so can you tell us more about one the organization

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Speaker 7: How would you bring to your role? Right because you said,

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Speaker 2: I certainly do celebrate him. And yes, so exactly that,

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Speaker 3: It's so powerful and it was the whole person care

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Speaker 2: I so often cite my grandmother's as my greatest inspiration.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I love that wisdom of grandmothers.

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Speaker 2: Sexist item I own? I'm really big and like going

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Speaker 3: Say my mind. Yes, good answers. Nice.

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Speaker 7: All right, So now we're going to move on to

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Speaker 7: the sentence completion. Yes, one topic or question I wish

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Speaker 2: Hm, I would say the verdict of Gerald outside of

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Speaker 3: But you know, you talk about connecting the dots.

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Speaker 2: There have been a lot of dots that Gerald's connected

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Speaker 3: Able to show up too.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I had a season of Ratchet, the season

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I even invite people to recognize too. It's like, well,

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Speaker 3: Have been blower than you.

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Speaker 7: So it's like, oh, so we really know.

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Speaker 3: Up and down up and that that's what we say.

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Speaker 5: Thanks so funny, Jerald, because the next sentence completion that

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Speaker 3: With you are Oh wow, Yeah, I think that's great.

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Speaker 2: I mean, some watch of it is allowing your whole

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Speaker 3: So, you know, I mentioned being from the hood of

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Speaker 2: and you know I was from the trap. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm a stone believe in God. There's all these things

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Speaker 3: World as whole people. It's certainly part of the docks

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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, all right, so I was final sentence completion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it took me a long time to get there.

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Speaker 2: But so much of what we're able to allow me

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Speaker 5: Oh, I love that myself the truth, not even talking

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Speaker 2: You know, people and black men more specifically, that have

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Speaker 5: We'll focus on the star photo. So Gerald, number out

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Speaker 3: I'm going with three? Oh, okay, this is this is fired. Okay.

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Speaker 5: wouldn't nobody looking at it, y'all. Wait, easiest photo be

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Speaker 3: I don't know how this photo. Yeah, So to describe

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Speaker 2: Of twenty nineteen, and I am standing in front of

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I remember this this this This was a Sunday.

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Speaker 2: For so this year, the year the Exodus was taken,

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Speaker 3: We had matching T shirts that they're Stronger Together. And

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Speaker 3: And this was in twenty nineteen. It's just a a

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Speaker 2: And these are all such different chapters that you know,

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Speaker 2: just briefly that one with the middle, the the blazer

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Speaker 2: and the plaid paid This was in the shadow of

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Speaker 2: the All Black Lives Matter March in Los Angeles of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, and folks, might I know I was the

446
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Speaker 2: lead organizer of that march, and we saw estimates are

447
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Speaker 2: at between thirty and forty thousand demonstrators, And it was

448
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Speaker 2: the same principle there, inviting all of us to show

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Speaker 2: up to celebrate all black lives, recognizing specifically that not

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Speaker 2: only the LGBT people, but we were seeing disproportionate impacts

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Speaker 2: among women and seniors and youth. But the common thread

452
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Speaker 2: that brought up together was uplifting the needs of the

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Speaker 2: black community. So this was certainly also a very pivotal

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Speaker 2: experience for my life.

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Speaker 5: So powerful, Gerald, thank you so much for sharing. Thank

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Speaker 5: you for participating in the Odu Blatchet segment with us.

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Speaker 3: I love it. Oh yeah, say much. I love it.

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Speaker 5: This is We're going to jump back into some of

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Speaker 5: these though, I want to say the formal interview questions.

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Speaker 3: I'll pass it back to down on this. This is good.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Yeah, that was fine.

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Speaker 7: Well, speaking of La Pride, you are the president of

463
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Speaker 7: Christopher Street West, which is the organization responsible for the

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Speaker 7: La Pride parade and festival. So what was reflecting back

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Speaker 7: on this past year, what was the highlight for you

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Speaker 7: and what is something that you're looking forward to in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Four Yes, thank you, Yeah, so La Pride I've been

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Speaker 3: with the organizations is twenty sixteen. This is my first

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Speaker 3: year serving as president, and I'm the first black male

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Speaker 3: president in the Older Relation's fifty three years of history. Wow,

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Speaker 3: that was Yeah, thank you. That's a big deal. That

473
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Speaker 3: is a big deal. Certainly a big deal.

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Speaker 2: So certainly I'm really excited to really lead the organization

475
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Speaker 2: and shape the next version of its vision.

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Speaker 3: I highly this year, his folks might remember, we had

477
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Speaker 3: Meghan the Stallion and Marija Carey as our headliners and

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Speaker 3: very intentional.

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Speaker 2: On celebrating black girl magic and just black womanhood and

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Speaker 2: the joy in which black women bring to the world.

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Speaker 3: And so it was very intentional on this representation.

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Speaker 2: And even instead with their conversation, we had today this

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Speaker 2: spectrum of how we get to show up in celebration

484
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Speaker 2: of black women and it needs so the Megan come

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Speaker 2: a ride of spectrum. I feel like nothing to calculate

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Speaker 2: Miranta and the Boozie more than those two women. Absolutely

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Speaker 2: absolutely as Yeah, yeah, and so I said I feel

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Speaker 2: like I fall somewhere in the middle or both, either

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Speaker 2: or depending on the day or the hour.

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Speaker 3: So having those two dynamic superstars with such a gifts

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Speaker 3: and such so excited they're really launching this year, or

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Speaker 3: actually last year, but our first full year awards called

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Speaker 3: five three sixty five, which is programs and activities throughout

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Speaker 3: the entire year and not just the month of June.

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Speaker 3: Again really cential and elevating opportunities to highlight community, amplify

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Speaker 3: folks doing great work, and then really center calls to

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Speaker 3: action in a way that might get lost in the

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Speaker 3: glitter of June. So to your question about what will

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Speaker 3: be ongoing, Pride Base sixty five will certainly be going

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Speaker 3: on as well as Pride makes a difference, which is

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Speaker 3: also launched under my leadership, probably makes a difference centered

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Speaker 3: around donation opportunities, volunteer opportunities, waste or highlight community superstars

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Speaker 3: doing this work every day, and a way to invite

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Speaker 3: folks to be a part of Pride that might be

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Speaker 3: beyond just kind of some of the festivities that we see.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, those are just a couple of things.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, and we're already working on twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: so we'll certainly stay tuned with all the great announcements

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Speaker 2: that will be rolling out in the next several months.

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Speaker 5: That is so exciting and what a transition into you know,

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Speaker 5: coming from the ou Blatchet segment talking about the multi

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Speaker 5: faster Yeah, that and then your ches headlines are the

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Speaker 5: bet is so amazing.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like that if I can have like

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Speaker 2: a paddle with either of their faiths as like am I?

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Speaker 3: What's the about today?

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Speaker 5: We're so intrigued, Jerald by the quote that you shared

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Speaker 5: about your grandmother, and I wanted to ask you about

519
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Speaker 5: just a time in your life where you maybe felt

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Speaker 5: conflicted about the various parts of yourself being within one person.

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Speaker 5: So I know I was raised in church and dom

522
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Speaker 5: and I have talked about this on the podcast. I

523
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Speaker 5: am going through a phase in life while I'm accepting

524
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Speaker 5: more like my ratchet side more and I'm showcasing it more.

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Speaker 5: And it was always there, like ever since I was younger,

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Speaker 5: but I just didn't feel comfortable. I felt like I

527
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Speaker 5: would be judged or I just was trying to figure

528
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Speaker 5: out who I was. But you today, successful, accomplished, you know,

529
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Speaker 5: appear to be so confident can you tell us about

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Speaker 5: a time where you felt conflicted between the parts of

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Speaker 5: yourself and what advice would you give someone who is

532
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Speaker 5: struggling to remember who they are and show.

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Speaker 3: Up in that way. I love that's that's wonderful. Thank

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Speaker 3: you for sharing it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, even kind of going back to a

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Speaker 2: previous question the invitation in the.

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Speaker 3: Folks around my own journey, because.

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Speaker 2: It was quite the process to sort of become I

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Speaker 2: certainly you know, I mentioned my faith background, but was

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Speaker 2: raised fair religious, staunchly religious, you know, I mean to

541
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Speaker 2: the degree, you know, men could wear shorts and shunts

542
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Speaker 2: and we couldn't watch TV.

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Speaker 3: It was like it was.

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Speaker 2: Just very and so that was this what I say,

545
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Speaker 2: as part of my journey was reimagining my relationship with God,

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Speaker 2: and so a lot of that was part of my

547
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Speaker 2: process on how do I learn God and my relationship

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Speaker 2: with God outside of the God my you know, society

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Speaker 2: gave me. And so having again the courage to step

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Speaker 2: outside of you know, where folks told me I should

551
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Speaker 2: not go. Also being a phrase I used to offer too,

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Speaker 2: is giving ourselves grace and space to be human. So

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Speaker 2: much of what the journey has been for me as

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Speaker 2: it relates to faith has really been like with fear

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Speaker 2: and guilt and shame and all these different levels of

556
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Speaker 2: sort of what I say, weaponizing God and so kind

557
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Speaker 2: of leaning into that space of humanity and divinity kind

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Speaker 2: of boozy and ratchet as recognize that we're not monolithic

559
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Speaker 2: in that way, We're both hare all of the above,

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Speaker 2: so human and divine, and then recognizing that there will

561
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Speaker 2: be as a part of our process is a necessary

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Speaker 2: evolution analogy I will give often as around we think

563
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Speaker 2: about a butterfly. You know, it goes through these different

564
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Speaker 2: versions of itself, and versions of itself have to disappear

565
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Speaker 2: or they have to perceivably crumble or grow away, and

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Speaker 2: like honoring that. You know, we might just recognize in

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Speaker 2: the moment, but honoring that's a necessary part of the

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Speaker 2: of the process. And then again, you know, giving ourselves

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Speaker 2: permission at the same time, you know, when we look

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Speaker 2: at doing anything different, anything, it takes a great deal

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Speaker 2: of grace. And so yeah, so if I had to

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Speaker 2: sort of lift you know, thoughts to anyone, it will

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Speaker 2: certainly be all of those. But then also recognize that

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Speaker 2: we are the experts of our own experience, and nobody

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Speaker 2: can prescribe your journey. You are the expert, so own it.

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Speaker 7: Oh that was a word, amad all right, the expert

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Speaker 7: of your journey?

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Speaker 3: Can you pass the offer? I love that.

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Speaker 7: And so when you think about like what you just

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Speaker 7: said about like you are the author of your own journey, right,

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Speaker 7: and nobody can can talk about your experience better than you.

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Speaker 7: Nobody understands your experience better than you. That applies to

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Speaker 7: not only the individual, but entire communities certainly. And so

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Speaker 7: when you think about your journey in various leadership roles

585
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Speaker 7: where you are like dismantling systems of oppression, right and

586
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Speaker 7: focusing on promoting diversity and inclusion and cultural cultural responsiveness,

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Speaker 7: what are some of the challenges that you've enchallenged and

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Speaker 7: how do you approach those challenges with the grace and

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Speaker 7: compassion that you mentioned before.

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Speaker 3: That's a great question, and thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: I have noted that so much of my journey, specifically

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Speaker 2: in this last chapter, has really been around addressing system

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Speaker 2: and you know, I will often like I guess laugh,

594
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Speaker 2: is like I never sign up for it, and I

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Speaker 2: was like, I'm rolling on reader one crown that's died here.

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Speaker 2: And so that is also for viewers and listeners knowing

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Speaker 2: that you know, it's bigger than you. And so my

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Speaker 2: mother tells me this all the time and has told

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Speaker 2: me for you for years. Two is we don't know

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Speaker 2: whose destiny is connected to ours. And so the whole

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Speaker 2: dynamics of us saying yes, even in the shadow of fear,

602
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Speaker 2: is bigger than us. And so that's often a reminder.

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Speaker 2: But to your question, I often will address it as

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Speaker 2: I guess you could say, no two lane highway or

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Speaker 2: two edge sword of that of doing that, many times

606
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Speaker 2: our approaches are both and or all of the above.

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Speaker 2: And so my entree into kind of social justice and

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Speaker 2: activism really began kind of in the lane of elevating,

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Speaker 2: empowering and celebrating community. And so, you know, a role

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Speaker 2: that I had before moving into a model, I was

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Speaker 2: with the Black Age Institute and sort of oversaw national

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Speaker 2: programs for Pacific communities, you know, really centering the experiences

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Speaker 2: of those communities, many communities I did not myself represents,

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Speaker 2: you know, So I oversaw our youth programs and women's

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Speaker 2: programs and formerly incarcerated programs, and I am neither of those,

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Speaker 2: not of the above, but recognized that there is an

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Speaker 2: opportunity for us to show up in the work that

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Speaker 2: again centers authentically the individuals who are the exus of

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Speaker 2: those experience experiences and how we can bring what we

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Speaker 2: bring to the work.

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Speaker 3: But thought that two lane highway was the.

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Speaker 2: Empowering of the people piece, but then also the dismantling

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Speaker 2: of the system piece. We are either in either war

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Speaker 2: of those lengths and nors or in both and sort

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Speaker 2: of recognizing what is my contribution to the movement? You know,

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Speaker 2: you related are doing work to and power uplifts, celebrate

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Speaker 2: that hits the work. You know, you might not be

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Speaker 2: the one picketing or you know, bandaging.

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Speaker 3: Wounds, but you're in the work.

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Speaker 2: So I always encourage people to recognize and identify what

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Speaker 2: your role in the work is and get excited about

632
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Speaker 2: it and own it. Oftentimes folks will sort of, you know,

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Speaker 2: speak down to their contribution.

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Speaker 3: It's not this or I'm not doing this, but what

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Speaker 3: are you doing and how are you committed to it?

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Speaker 3: And it's a necessary component.

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Speaker 2: You know, we as black folks talk about you know,

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Speaker 2: holiday dinner or barbecue or something. It's like where you

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Speaker 2: bringing a potato salad, you bringing the roles you bringing

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Speaker 2: the Pete Cobbers like, we need what you bring, don't you,

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Speaker 2: fay L Tear bringing Pete Faba, I'm bringing piece Capatine. No,

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Speaker 2: we need you to bring what you bring, and so

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Speaker 2: even when it comes to the movement work, we need

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Speaker 2: you to bring what do you bring?

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Speaker 3: Boldly?

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Speaker 5: Let's get back into it. That is so powerful because

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Speaker 5: every role really does matter, and I feel sometimes people

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Speaker 5: miss that. Like when you think about an organization, everyone

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Speaker 5: from the custodial staff to the CEO, everyone is important,

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Speaker 5: and we all support one another when we show up service.

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Speaker 3: As our best selves to do our there right. That's

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Speaker 3: the analogy I would give.

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Speaker 2: What offer is like a conductor I mentioned I was

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Speaker 2: alive with it's the years and anybody who knows a

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Speaker 2: band or a custore even acquired the maybe specific role

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Speaker 2: and a number of voice sailors and such an you

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Speaker 2: can't abandon your party because oh I hadn't I hadn't

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Speaker 2: played in a measures, I hadn't played in your pages.

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Speaker 3: We need you, you can wait, though, you can do

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Speaker 3: what you do.

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Speaker 2: And also kind of in the same analogy, as part

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Speaker 2: of the work, many times the assessment is, Okay, this

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Speaker 2: group needs to a rehearsal, Okay, we need few of these.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're striping this all together. And so when we

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Speaker 3: look at the difficult conversations, looking at it through the

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Speaker 3: lens of how I was just serving the greater good.

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Speaker 3: I was just serving the movement. And then I would

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Speaker 3: say a preface to that, ensuring that we are having

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Speaker 3: a shared mission, because the work can't move if we're

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Speaker 3: not on the same page.

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Speaker 5: There you go, there you go so powerful when it

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Speaker 5: comes basically think about the choir you try to sing

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Speaker 5: in this key and this somebody, it's like, we got

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Speaker 5: to do it together.

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Speaker 2: I know that we know that good old choirts there

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Speaker 2: like a lot of my ears, a lot of come on,

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Speaker 2: you're trying to show Kay, this is not what we

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Speaker 2: give her.

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Speaker 3: That's not get that. There's mine.

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Speaker 5: So jer, what is the most fulfilling moment or achievement

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Speaker 5: in your career so far?

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Speaker 3: And why? Gosh?

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Speaker 2: You know, and this is a call for myself around

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Speaker 2: just aiming to be more graciously present. I know so

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Speaker 2: many of us will like go away and doing the thing,

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Speaker 2: moving it and next and not taking time to like.

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Speaker 3: To just breathe and celebrate and just take it all in.

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Speaker 3: So that's certainly an assignment for myself in this season.

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Speaker 3: But to your question, gosh, I would probably say I

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Speaker 3: had missed up the whole show. Now I'm really effective,

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Speaker 3: think what is one?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I would probably say, you know, I've been

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Speaker 2: increasingly visible in this season, you know, just between all

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Speaker 2: the all the movements such and like people you know,

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Speaker 2: they just conceive it.

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Speaker 3: So that means increased.

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Speaker 2: Access to and so I have had multiple people, multiple

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Speaker 2: people reach out and say thank you, thank you for

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Speaker 2: just showing up and doing what you do. You've given

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Speaker 2: me encouragement and it might not be today or tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: but I feel like I can show up at some point.

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Speaker 2: And so like just recognizing that there is power and

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Speaker 2: not only visibility but representation also. And I actually had

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Speaker 2: a young person who was a middle school age, young

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Speaker 2: black student.

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Speaker 3: Young black man.

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Speaker 2: He reached out and he was saying, well, I want

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Speaker 2: to do more. I know that black boys and men

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Speaker 2: have more work to do.

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Speaker 3: And he was, you know, not LGBT at all.

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Speaker 2: He was just saying like, I want to do more

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Speaker 2: for the community, but it's scary. And so the whole

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Speaker 2: idea is him feeling empower to sort of be courageous

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Speaker 2: in that way and let me know too, It's like, well,

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Speaker 2: we may not have all the answers all the time,

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Speaker 2: but we do have something to offer. Yeah, so that

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Speaker 2: wasn't quite an isolated experience, but that kind of heartbeat

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Speaker 2: up the work keeps me, keeps me going.

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Speaker 7: That's important. That heartbeat is we need the heartbeat. When

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Speaker 7: the heartbeat stops, you're done.

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Speaker 3: You're done.

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Speaker 7: That's a rap. So we need those moments. And so

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Speaker 7: as you are doing this work right, you're showing up

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Speaker 7: and advocating for so many people, that is a lot

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Speaker 7: of emotional labor. How do you take care of your

797
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Speaker 7: mental health? How do you prioritize self care your emotional

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Speaker 7: well being while showing up and advocating for others.

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Speaker 2: That is such a great question, Doc, And that's what

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Speaker 2: I have also been moving closely to the top of

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Speaker 2: my list the analogy. And I don't know what decided

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Speaker 2: to my grandpas Louisiana web, but y'all see, I love

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Speaker 2: an analogy. But the announce that came to me, it

804
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Speaker 2: was given to me, was like weightlifting. And you know

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Speaker 2: when we lift weight, you know, you know at the

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Speaker 2: gym kind of part of your regimen there's a certain

807
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Speaker 2: recovery regimen that comes. Maybe you skip a day, you

808
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Speaker 2: take up i don't know, hot shower, you kind of stretch.

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Speaker 2: But then when you're a powerlifter, different kind of recovery regimen.

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Speaker 2: You know, you take some pro day, or you got

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Speaker 2: a theme, or you know, rubber your body or you're

812
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Speaker 2: kind of going to ice bath. So saying that to say,

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Speaker 2: in the season, I have gone from like standard lifting

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Speaker 2: to powerlifting, and so now I'm really relearning or learning

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Speaker 2: in this season, what does recovery look like for me?

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Speaker 3: So self care in my previous.

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Speaker 2: Chapters respondingly say so to your question, I am still

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Speaker 2: rewriting my news version of myself here.

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Speaker 3: But with that, I certainly you know, mentioned.

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Speaker 2: You know, my faith experience and really big on going

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Speaker 2: with then really sort of silencing the noise. I've been

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Speaker 2: a journaler since I can remember, and so I'm still.

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Speaker 3: A major journaler.

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Speaker 2: I have been really intent on, as a part of

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Speaker 2: myself here limiting what access to me looks like.

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Speaker 3: And so the whole idea, you don't vit to just

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Speaker 3: pop up. You don't get to just call me, you

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Speaker 3: grab me. I'm not an answer, you don't.

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Speaker 2: We have to just expect me at things that goes

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Speaker 2: throughout every level of relationship, you know, as a part

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Speaker 2: of my fear and.

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Speaker 3: As a part of boundaries that was you know, preserved me.

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Speaker 3: I realized too.

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Speaker 2: You know, I just turned forty this year, and so

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Speaker 2: to stay here and so like I am very much

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Speaker 2: a social being. I love like being social, but it's

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Speaker 2: translating a lot differently now, and so like learning, you know,

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Speaker 2: what ratchet means at forty means're a lot different than

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Speaker 2: what he did at thirty still right and so like

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Speaker 2: it was also but like I'm the elevated kind of

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Speaker 2: a ratchet, very much like kind a ratchet, but still

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Speaker 2: giving myself that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: Just giving myself what I need when I and that

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Speaker 2: decides that I do is I don't think doesn't have

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Speaker 2: an official name, but I just sort of say, I

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Speaker 2: check in with seven.

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Speaker 3: Year old Gerald, seven year old self, and ask myself,

849
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Speaker 3: what do you need? What does seven year old Gerald need?

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Speaker 2: And anybody who had children and their life children are

851
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Speaker 2: very they don't miss words, they're very unapologetic.

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Speaker 3: And oftentimes what we need at the sort of most

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Speaker 3: poor level of ourselves are very simple. You ask the

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Speaker 3: seven year old, they say, I'm sleeping, I'm hungry. I

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Speaker 3: don't like her, I've used the bathroom. Like it's very simple.

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Speaker 3: Look what I've a belt? We were like abandon and

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Speaker 3: though very poor, so what we needed. So as a

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Speaker 3: first round, I check in what's going on here? Do

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Speaker 3: myself year old lives? And that serves me Also, Oh

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Speaker 3: that was so bad?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 3: That was so beautiful. I'm just taking you.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I love that you pointed out this self

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Speaker 5: care looks different at different stages, because that's so true.

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Speaker 5: What worked maybe a few years ago when you were

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Speaker 5: in a different phase, right, not necessarily work. And I

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Speaker 5: love it again your vulnerability and transparency about I'm rewriting

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Speaker 5: what that looks like at this stage in my life,

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Speaker 5: which is okay. So I appreciate you saying that. And

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Speaker 5: it's funny that you brought up seven year old Gerald,

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Speaker 5: because I'm so curious to know what would your younger

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Speaker 5: self what would seven year old Gerald or twelve year

873
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Speaker 5: old Gerald say to the Gerald today based.

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Speaker 3: On what you've done and where you are.

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Speaker 5: And I get the sense that even though you've done

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Speaker 5: so much, you're still just getting started.

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Speaker 3: That's what I sense from you.

878
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 5: Perceive that, yes, yes, we're always progressive and trying to

879
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 5: figure out what's next.

880
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 3: But what would that younger Gerald say to Gerald today?

881
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: That's so beautiful And thank you for that, Terry and doctor.

882
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 3: It's so interesting.

883
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: I mentioned forty this year, but for my fortieth birthday,

884
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 2: I wrote a film, wrote an executive reduce a film

885
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: based on my life and the story. The name of

886
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 2: the film is Sunrise Sunshine as Opiate Sunrise Sunshine, Thank You,

887
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: and it really sort of follows kind of my life

888
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: and it began I really was thinking I was going

889
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: to do some version of documentary of sources kind of

890
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: capturing a few elements of my life, you know, in

891
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: the last decade or so, and working with documentarian slash director.

892
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: She really implored me to like, we we know this

893
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: version of you, and we can google that stuff.

894
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: Who are you before this?

895
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: And that was really sort of my kind of the

896
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: invitation into like pulling in those versions of life. And

897
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: so how the story unfolded was it began with six

898
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: year old Gerald and you know, kind of the life

899
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: experiences that were showing themselves at these different versions and

900
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: sort of this young man, this boy, meet the twelve

901
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: year old and then that you know, the two of

902
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: them meets so six thirteen nineteen. So like they're going

903
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: on this journey instead of looking for something. I kind

904
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: of like it now that I've written it. It makes

905
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: it like a very kind of word of all our

906
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: type of story wherever folks are really looking for something individually, yes, collectively,

907
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 2: and so these boys and these young you know, just

908
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: these young folks on this journey.

909
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 3: They don't know what they're.

910
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: Looking for, but they know it's something and din't know

911
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 2: there they can find it together, and what they find

912
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: it's forty year old Gerald, and what they've been looking

913
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 2: for the whole time is n And so it's this

914
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: journey of just black boyhood manhood in a way that

915
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: really sort of invites all the folks in as well.

916
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 2: And So to your question, what would what do I feel?

917
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: Seven year old Gerald would tell current verted in me.

918
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 2: I feel he would say, thank you for not giving up.

919
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: It's so beautiful, thank you.

920
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 7: I'm just sitting here and this is just so, this

921
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 7: is just so wonderful. I know that our listeners are

922
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 7: listening to you and they heard how you beautifully describe this,

923
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 7: simm Where can we find it? Because I'm like I

924
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 7: was sitting there like wait today, like I need I

925
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 7: need to sit down and watch this two days.

926
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I'm so excited, Thank you both. Thank you

927
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: for just holding experience and sharing his face with me. Also,

928
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: but yes, the film will actually will be moving live

929
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 2: on the film festival circuit, which I've never done.

930
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:44,919
Speaker 3: So this is our whole new life.

931
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: Correct, It's very humbled and excited, and I'll be doing

932
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 2: a couple number of actually screenings across the country.

933
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 5: You're going to go with you bath, So yes, Jeryl,

934
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 5: can you keep us poster or have content our people

935
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 5: because we.

936
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: Want to be there.

937
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: Yes, I've been also to kind of as a part

938
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: of that journey, it'll be like available for like you know, consumption.

939
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's really really grateful, and just so many

940
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: elements of the of the story.

941
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 3: I just think I just invite folks in.

942
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 2: You know, I think so much of what my journey

943
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 2: has been, even like I mentioned today, has really been

944
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: moving so quickly, oftentimes in the shadow of survival, and

945
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 2: so in this season, even to your question, doctor Dowell,

946
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: part of my self care in this season has really

947
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 2: been elevating safety and knowing that I am safe.

948
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, wow, wow, Wow, Okay, we just have a couple

949
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 5: more questions.

950
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: You just jobs so many jas. I appreciate you both.

951
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: We appreciate you as well.

952
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 5: And thinking of all the people that look up to

953
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 5: you as a leader and a role model for advocacy,

954
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 5: how do you manage the expectations of others while staying

955
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 5: true to your own well being and needs? And you

956
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 5: kind of talked a little bit about that today about that,

957
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 5: but like I don't do that in real life.

958
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 3: You know, yes, they're so good, they're kind of pulling

959
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 3: from the last USh or two. Yeah, but no one

960
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: thing has really served me.

961
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: And I'm so grateful too, just as a kind of

962
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: guiding principle is one being able to say no, being

963
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: able to say I don't know, and being able to

964
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: say wait, and so so much of like when you know,

965
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 2: gratefully something able to kind of do so many things,

966
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: and a great deal of that is kind of hinged

967
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: upon one of those three. You know, it's like, I

968
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: can do it, but it won't be until next month.

969
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: You can either wait or not. That's right, I'm not

970
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: I can't do it now. But the younger word of

971
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 2: the me, you know, oh I can move some things around.

972
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: I can stay up overnight. Oh I'll catch up on

973
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: seek the weekend that does not serve me at forty

974
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,479
Speaker 2: at Ford won't. And the way recovery, look now, it's like, look,

975
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: I do better with a good night sleep.

976
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: So you just you were breastfit.

977
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then also really just building a strong team,

978
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: you know, and you know that's a whole other kind

979
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: of conversation in the sense of recognizing that, you know,

980
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: my grandfather will stay you know, every time the bus stops,

981
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 2: some folks get on, some folks get off. But recognizing

982
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 2: that just because folks have come with you all this

983
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: way doesn't mean those will be the same.

984
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 3: Folks, not in the same capacity at least to take

985
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 3: it to the next level.

986
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: And just knowing that you know, you're still my good friend,

987
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: you're still my sister, you still my you know, my brother,

988
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 2: But like.

989
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 3: I need a real accountant to keep my books now, yeah, or.

990
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: I need a real publicist to manage mine immedia and

991
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: then you know, and being able of course gratefully though

992
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 2: with tact and grace and humilody, but no one like

993
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: in order for this to go where I feel God

994
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: is designers to go, I need to be a good

995
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 2: steward of it, and they are suring that the right

996
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: people are around to help me move it forward.

997
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 3: So having that strong team say no, same.

998
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: Way one they not me, I'm really big and recognizing

999
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: more so in this season everything I can do doesn't

1000
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: mean I should do yeah, but everything I need to

1001
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: do that I mean I will do going forward. So

1002
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: you know that's certainly kind of part of that butterfly

1003
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: or cool breaking off, like, well, ye're something different.

1004
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 3: Now I am actually yeah, yeah you r no, Now.

1005
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 7: I am actually yeah, you're right, I am.

1006
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: Bringing me out the plastic. Okay, everything going to be

1007
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 3: a right? I love it?

1008
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: Right?

1009
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 3: Yes?

1010
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 7: And so okay, so I can't. I just want to

1011
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 7: ask more and more questions. But so, like your grandfather

1012
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 7: so wisely pointed out, everybody is not gonna be on

1013
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 7: that bus ride with you, right, everybody's not gonna make it.

1014
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 7: How do you go about one having the conversation with

1015
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 7: the people who aren't going to make it?

1016
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1017
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: And then two.

1018
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 7: Well, first, let me back up, first determining who's not

1019
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 7: gonna make it and why? And then how do you

1020
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 7: have that conversation to let them know this is your stop.

1021
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 3: You got to get off of them. Ain't getting like

1022
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 3: O somebody getting off as you. It's you. It's you.

1023
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 3: I don't know why you're still sitting here. It is you.

1024
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: That's no, that's that's that's a great good, great questions,

1025
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 3: dodr dom.

1026
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: So, for one, I think it goes back to what

1027
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: we shared already is telling ourselves the truth. First, you know,

1028
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: I can speak for myself how I've held space and

1029
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 2: even often created for failable space.

1030
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 3: So folks knowing that they're not designed for the next chapter, and.

1031
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: So like recognizing and doing kind of the emotion work

1032
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 2: of that. One thing that I will say too is that,

1033
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: you know, using the same analogy, it might not necessarily

1034
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: be the getting off the bus. They might just be

1035
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: shifting seats, so they might not be VIP anymore. They

1036
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 2: might not have that direct access, or they might shift

1037
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 2: from I even pray that with you, Like tears, you know,

1038
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: they're not longer tier one.

1039
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 3: You can't just pop up. You can't just can't get.

1040
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: With me, like you know, you know we're cordial, we're associates,

1041
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 2: were a lague where you know, acquainted five all those

1042
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 2: different things versions of we're connected, that connection just looks different.

1043
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 3: So knowing like some folks just might get refiled and

1044
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 3: being okay with that, you know.

1045
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 2: I know that it's so necessary. It's kind of even

1046
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: in the same spaces that we often have to make room.

1047
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 2: And so it's just like part of that exercise too,

1048
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: is like, well, I don't know who yet, I just

1049
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: know it's not yet. Of course, you know, leading with

1050
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 2: grace and text, I will say often that confrontation doesn't

1051
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: have to equal conflict.

1052
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 3: And so just because you're able to you know, having

1053
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: a dialogue with someone.

1054
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be hostile or attacking and you

1055
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 2: know all those things.

1056
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: And so I think that's really necessary. And then just again,

1057
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 3: you know, we've said this a few times already, telling

1058
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 3: yourself yourself the truth, like he does this person? Are

1059
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 3: they refilable? Or has this gone as far as it

1060
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: can go?

1061
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: One thing I've said too, just because of all these

1062
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 2: different versions of my life, have recognized that some with

1063
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 2: some people in my life, all we have in common

1064
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: now are memories?

1065
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 3: Am I okay with that? Damn? That was like a

1066
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: punch in the gut? Did you see an? Yeah?

1067
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 7: I think I mean, I mean you gonna say that?

1068
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 7: More time.

1069
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 3: To catch that.

1070
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 2: Yes, when we really assess people's roles in our lives,

1071
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: we might have to understand that all we have in

1072
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: common with some are memories.

1073
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: There's nothing that looks forward with this relationship. And is

1074
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: that okay? Yeah? And telling yourself that is that okay?

1075
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: If not, then to your question, doctor doc, that positions

1076
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 2: you for that next conversation.

1077
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 3: That's good, y'all.

1078
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 5: Feel apart two coming up about another we're gonna have

1079
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 5: to have another end, because this conversation is we're gonna

1080
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 5: have to we especially when the movie comes out.

1081
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you will be my person guests, or so

1082
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: y'all hold.

1083
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 3: Me to it.

1084
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 7: We will, we will, our listeners will hold you to it.

1085
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 5: So Jerald, when you think about you know, we talk

1086
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 5: a lot about legacy on the podcast and how we

1087
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 5: want to be remembered and talk about just how life

1088
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 5: is so precious when you think about your legacy, when

1089
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 5: you think about how you want to be remembered, like,

1090
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 5: what does that look like? How do you want people

1091
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 5: to remember the interactions they've had with you or just

1092
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 5: the work that you've done in the world.

1093
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: That's that's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Interestingly, so so much of what has been guiding me,

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Speaker 2: I dare say in this most recent season has been legacy,

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Speaker 2: you know, recognizing too that so much of what I

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Speaker 3: And then also even me standing on the shoulders of so.

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Speaker 2: Many great women and men, knowing that there is something

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Speaker 2: much of what allowed me to show up courageously and

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Speaker 2: vulnerably and authentically it's knowing that it is bigger than me,

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Speaker 2: and so you know through your question, my legacy, I

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Speaker 2: would dare say, is both being empowered to lead and

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Speaker 2: live with love in a way that serves them and

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Speaker 2: everyone they're connected to, and that is an adoptable mission,

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Speaker 2: be it medium, policy, custodian, mother, parent, there's an opportunity

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Speaker 2: for us to all tap into that in a way

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Speaker 2: that's services.

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Speaker 3: So that means a lot to me.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, just again being able to release

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Speaker 2: sort of the notion that it will only happen, you know,

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Speaker 2: with me be here on earth, like I think, giving

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Speaker 2: that I'm doing now will live beyond me and I

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Speaker 2: might not even see them come to fruition on earth,

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Speaker 2: but knowing that I did my part.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was so beautiful. This conversation was so amazing.

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Speaker 5: We appreciate you, Jerald. We appreciate what you represent, what

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Speaker 5: you do in the world, what you stand for, and

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Speaker 5: we hope this will not be the last conversation that

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Speaker 5: we have with you. We would love to continue the

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Speaker 5: connection here and Jerald, we would love for.

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Speaker 3: You to just share with our listeners where can they

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Speaker 3: find you?

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Speaker 5: Where can they support Is there a next step that

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Speaker 5: you like them to take with you on your journey,

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Speaker 5: Please feel free to let them.

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Speaker 2: Know certainly, and I get it. Just thank you so much, Terry,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Domins is so great. I actually look forward in

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Speaker 2: advance of my next invitation and you as a listeners

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Speaker 2: thank you as well. And so yes, kind of little

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Speaker 2: pool for what you were saying, Terry, I feel like

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Speaker 2: I am realistically just getting started, so that is really exciting.

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Speaker 2: I'll certainly make sure folks know about Sunrise, Sunrise, Sunshine

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Speaker 2: next steps as well, and just invite folks to connect

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Speaker 2: and follow me on social all things Garth dot Gerald

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Speaker 2: g A R T H d O T G E

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Speaker 2: R A l B. I do have a website that

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Speaker 2: I'm committed to activating a lot more robustly, and so

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Speaker 2: that website is uroguard dot com. And folks reach out

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Speaker 2: and look forward to ways in which we can continue

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Speaker 2: this work together.

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Speaker 3: Yay, thank you so much, thank you, yes, thank.

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