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Speaker 1: practice performances in NFL history. There's something about Mac Jones

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Speaker 1: and these joint practices. He won his job two years

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I want to go top five quarterback in

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Speaker 2: the NFL just yet. But look, I thought yesterday was

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Speaker 2: I would say that this was maybe the best practice

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Speaker 1: Better than the Giants practice.

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Speaker 2: We always go back and forth on it, right because

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Speaker 2: One, I thought that there was more down the field

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, it goes back to that point. If you

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Speaker 1: we're on the receivers that want to do Taekwon play

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Speaker 1: good practice on Monday before before the team left for

438
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Speaker 1: Green Bay. So I thought he was building momentum, and

439
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Speaker 1: this is kind of what happened last year. He was

440
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Speaker 1: building momentum and he got hurt. Yeah, broke his collar bone,

441
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Speaker 1: and so this is kind of the same area with

442
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Speaker 1: that shoulder, and we didn't see him again for four

443
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Speaker 1: weeks and it seemed like he never caught up. So

444
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Speaker 1: we'll see where he's at with that as we kind

445
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Speaker 1: of start to wrap it up on the offense here.

446
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Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott didn't take part in any team drills yesterday,

447
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 1: just went through the basic running back positional drills and

448
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Speaker 1: then sat out. Actually, before we get to his performance today,

449
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Speaker 1: let me ask you this. So Bill was asked about Zeke.

450
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Speaker 1: Do we lose you there?

451
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Speaker 3: Nope, I'm here.

452
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Speaker 1: He just turn green for a second. Bill who was

453
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Speaker 1: asked about Ezekiel Elliot yesterday, and in his answer he

454
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Speaker 1: talked about how on the flight out to Green Bay,

455
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Speaker 1: he was working with Zeke on the terminology and the

456
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Speaker 1: protections in the playbook. So he never said it was

457
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Speaker 1: exclusively him. Maybe Bill O'Brien was also there, maybe Vinnison

458
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Speaker 1: Siri was also there. But there's so much focus right now,

459
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Speaker 1: I think on who's in control of the offense. In

460
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Speaker 1: what Bill's role is after last year. What did you

461
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Speaker 1: make of that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting comment.

463
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Speaker 2: And I also thought it was good to hear from

464
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Speaker 2: Mac Jones that you know, Zeke was in those meetings

465
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Speaker 2: on Tuesday night and we got out here and very

466
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Speaker 2: involved in everything. And I thought that there was a

467
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Speaker 2: very good involvement in buying from him at practice today,

468
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Speaker 2: even when he wasn't on the field, rooting on teammates

469
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Speaker 2: and talking up teammates like JJ Taylor made a nice

470
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Speaker 2: play and he immediately was excited about it and really

471
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Speaker 2: you know, involved in body in which I think is great.

472
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Speaker 2: But with Belichick, I don't know what to make of

473
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Speaker 2: that necessarily, because it's so hard sometimes that these practices

474
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Speaker 2: to see to really tell what he's looking at or

475
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Speaker 2: what he's doing, you know, sometimes with the offense, sometimes

476
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Speaker 2: with the defense. Sometimes he's just watching all twenty two

477
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Speaker 2: guys at once. So I think that there's always going

478
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Speaker 2: to be a level of involvement from Belichick on all

479
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Speaker 2: phases of this football team. And I don't necessarily think that.

480
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Speaker 2: I think that some people thought that in the beginning

481
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Speaker 2: that maybe this was Bill O'Brien's offense, and Bill was

482
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Speaker 2: going to be off with the defense and special teams

483
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Speaker 2: in his own co owner of the practice field. That's

484
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Speaker 2: that's not what I've seen at all this summer. I

485
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Speaker 2: think that Bill is just as involved in the offense

486
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Speaker 2: as he's ever been. Maybe not necessarily the guy that's,

487
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Speaker 2: you know, drawing up the plays or putting in the

488
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Speaker 2: install and the game plans come to season, but certainly

489
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Speaker 2: in mac Jones's ear, and working with a lot of

490
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Speaker 2: the offensive players all right on the field.

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Speaker 1: No team drills yesterday, just positional drills. But it sounded

492
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Speaker 1: like he was very involved today. And you texted me

493
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Speaker 1: during practice you seemed very excited.

494
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Speaker 3: Little just for real, Well, it's one practice.

495
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Speaker 2: And I would also say that most of the run

496
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Speaker 2: game work that they did today was closer to the

497
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Speaker 2: red zone and goal line situations. Not a ton of

498
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Speaker 2: run work in between the twenties, So we didn't necessarily

499
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Speaker 2: get to see if Zeke has a top gear that

500
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Speaker 2: even exists anymore, right, And I think that's the biggest

501
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 2: question mark with him for everybody around the league is just.

502
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Speaker 1: To cut in though? Does that matter? Like honest question,

503
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Speaker 1: because to me, he's here for inside the twenties in

504
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Speaker 1: short yardage. I don't know that he needs to have

505
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Speaker 1: that top gear to be the back they want him

506
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Speaker 1: to be. It'd be nice, but I don't know that

507
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Speaker 1: he needs to have it. I don't know how much

508
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Speaker 1: they're gonna ask. I don't know how many situations he's

509
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Speaker 1: gonna be in where that's gonna come up.

510
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Speaker 2: It's a fair point, and I think that that's what

511
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Speaker 2: we saw today, that that's gonna be his role. And

512
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Speaker 2: I made a joke, I mean and Deuce were joking

513
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Speaker 2: around that. You know, Remandra Stevenson's fantasy owners are already

514
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Speaker 2: up in arms about this.

515
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Speaker 1: Oh, it's gonna be such a nightmare for and you

516
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Speaker 1: know me, I don't like fantasy foot Well, it's gonna

517
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Speaker 1: between that and Willie Cunningham. It's gonna be a nightmare

518
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Speaker 1: for those people.

519
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is.

520
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Speaker 2: And I can already see it that Zeke is going

521
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Speaker 2: to be a big time factor inside the ten yard line.

522
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Speaker 2: And today he scored twice, one with from about the

523
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Speaker 2: eight I would say, which was probably the most encouraging

524
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Speaker 2: grun because he did have to you know, it wasn't

525
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Speaker 2: like a plunge from the one yard line right where

526
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Speaker 2: he's just growing in such a short space, he did

527
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Speaker 2: have to kind of feed off the blocks and have

528
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Speaker 2: a little bit of burst to get through the line.

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Speaker 3: And get into the end zone.

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Speaker 2: And he actually carried a defender, kind of ran through

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Speaker 2: a defender into the end zone on that play and

532
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Speaker 2: gave a little little zeke flex at the end.

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Speaker 1: You know. So I think we get a little with

534
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Speaker 1: the with the eating.

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Speaker 3: Not not yet, I haven't gotten.

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Speaker 1: That might be one, you say, for the regular season.

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Speaker 2: I would get that this was more of like a

538
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: flex like feeling myself type of moment, right So I

539
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: think that was a good sign. I took that as

540
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: our right like, he feels like he's you know, strong

541
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Speaker 2: and fresh and in good shape and ready to go.

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Speaker 2: I thought he looked good consider all things considered. It

543
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Speaker 2: was his first practice of the summer. He obviously hasn't

544
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Speaker 2: been in camp with anybody else, so this is very

545
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Speaker 2: very first practice and he gets thrown out there in

546
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Speaker 2: joint practices, which are the most intense training camp practices,

547
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Speaker 2: and held his own and looked pretty good out there.

548
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Speaker 2: I thought of the two things that really were exciting

549
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: were the power and I thought that he ran pretty

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Speaker 2: hard on the carries that he got. And then I

551
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Speaker 2: also thought the energy was good. I thought that he

552
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: was an uplifted mood. I thought that he looked like

553
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: he was had a little bit of a chip on

554
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Speaker 2: his shoulder. You know, he knows what just happened to him, right,

555
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: He got cut by the Cowboys, and nobody really came

556
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Speaker 2: knocking until August seventeenth to sign him to a contract.

557
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Speaker 2: And I think that that's going to be something that

558
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Speaker 2: he's going to carry this season.

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Speaker 3: So I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 2: And I think the one thing also just to wrap

561
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Speaker 2: it on Zeke him standing next to Ramandre Stevenson and

562
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Speaker 2: Kevin Harris.

563
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Speaker 3: That's some beef in that running back room.

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Speaker 2: And Zeke is every bit as big as those two guys,

565
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Speaker 2: if not bigger.

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Speaker 3: I think he's taller than both of those guys.

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Speaker 2: And that was I think the big thing that really

568
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: stood out to me just in terms of, you know,

569
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Speaker 2: initial impressions.

570
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Speaker 3: He's a big, big dude.

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Speaker 2: Like you know, he's listed at like six feet two

572
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: twenty five, so you know, he's a bigger guy, bigger back.

573
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 2: But he's a really really big back. And I don't

574
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Speaker 2: mean I don't mean overweight. I just mean big and Uh,

575
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Speaker 2: I think that that's another emphasis.

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Speaker 3: And we've talked about this a lot.

577
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Speaker 2: Uh that they're they're gonna be a power run team

578
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: like that's they're gonna want to run it down people's throats,

579
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: bull ball, smash mal football and then they have another

580
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: smash mouth running back.

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Speaker 1: Now eight five five Pats five hundred. You want to

582
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Speaker 1: join in Patriots at web radio dot com. You want

583
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Speaker 1: to email, and we're gonna get to your calls and

584
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: emails in a second here. But we do have talked

585
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: about the offensive line. Evan, was it any better today? Uh?

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Speaker 3: I would say it was a little bit better today.

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00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: I mean, look, you can't.

589
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna come on here and talk about plays

590
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 2: and completions that were six seconds into down and you know,

591
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: three sacks would have happened, right.

592
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 3: I try not to do that.

593
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: We both try not to do that and try to

594
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: only talk about the plays that are were real football plays.

595
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: And if you kind of stack up like the real

596
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: football plays versus the ones yesterday that just felt like

597
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 2: something was weird about it, right, like whether it was

598
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: the quarterback was holding the ball for six seconds or

599
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: there was a sack but then he kind of came

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Speaker 2: out of it and just ran the play. Anyways, there

601
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Speaker 2: was a lot more real football plays today than yesterday,

602
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: So I think that that is a testament that the

603
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: offensive line was a little bit better out there. I

604
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: still think every once in a while, and today I

605
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: had Mac Jones and his reps down with about with

606
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Speaker 2: four sacks on like thirty dropbacks.

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Speaker 3: So that doesn't sound great, and I get that.

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00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing with the offensive line from

609
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: a pass protection standpoint is it's a lot of schemed

610
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Speaker 2: rushes that are giving them problems, you know, stunts added on,

611
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: blitzers like things like that. It's not necessarily that guys

612
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: are losing one on one battles across the board. So

613
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: that I think he can at least hold a hat

614
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: to the fact that maybe that's chemistry continuity, you know,

615
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: working together, Like you have two rookies in there. You

616
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: have Priley Reef now playing a different position than he

617
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: started camp with, like Trent Brown still in his third

618
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: padded practice of the summer. So I think that there's

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Speaker 2: something to be said for just a lack of reps

620
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Speaker 2: that these guys have had together.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, Trent Brown said it yesterday.

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Speaker 2: This isn't our core group group, you know, like that's

623
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Speaker 2: not They still have Cold Strange and Mike on Wentu out.

624
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: They want those guys back, of course, and if they

625
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: get those guys back and they get it all together,

626
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens in like let's say a month

627
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: or two. But it's still concerned. It's still absolutely concerned.

628
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: Yesterday especially was a mess penalties. I think both quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: Mac and Zappi combined for thirteen sacks in yesterday's practice.

630
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: It was ugly at times upfront. Absolutely, and the Packers,

631
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: I should mention Rashan Gary is not practicing in full

632
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: for the Packers, right, So they're doing this without their

633
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: best path, without their Matthew Judon right. So it hasn't

634
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: been great, but I think it was better today, and

635
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: I think they are taking some baby steps, especially with

636
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Speaker 2: Trent being back in there.

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Speaker 3: I think that's helped a lot.

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Speaker 1: I also think too, just like Conor McDermott not being

639
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: out there, I don't know if you saw anything happen

640
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 1: with him yesterday. It seems like he may have been

641
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: passed over. I think it's probably too early for that.

642
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: This is a team that can't afford to be giving

643
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Speaker 1: up on any NFL experience at tackle, so I'd hope

644
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: he's not fallen too far down the depth chart whatever's

645
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: going on with him. We've got a bunch of emails

646
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Speaker 1: about the offensive line, but first I want to go

647
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Speaker 1: Adaen and Aiden in California says, Hey, guys, says he

648
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: appreciates the show. It has shown him a different way

649
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: to watch the game. Love that. That's the whole point

650
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: of the show. That's awesome. I'm sorry on YouTube, I'm

651
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: duck nowt I gotta read this here. With that said,

652
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Speaker 1: do we think today's practice was a response to getting

653
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: punched in the face yesterday and the team responded full

654
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: roar today? Also, is it a good sign that they're

655
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Speaker 1: all on the same page.

656
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's exactly what it was.

657
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: And you you mentioned earlier in the show that on

658
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: one hand, you can't have a bad day on Sunday

659
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: and then come back Monday and play the same team

660
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: again and get a second chance. That's the unique part

661
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: about joint practices, I suppose. But I liked the fact

662
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: that they punched back today. And I don't mean that literally,

663
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: I mean it figuratively. And I think that's you know,

664
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: that's a good sign. That's a team that I think

665
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: is that is competing for something. You know, it's not

666
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: a team that's going nowhere or anything like that. You know,

667
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: those teams are the ones that just got you know,

668
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: get down to the dumps and then get their butts

669
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: kicked again the next day.

670
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: So I think that it's it's a good sign.

671
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: Obviously, you want both practices to be at least positive,

672
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: and maybe yesterday wasn't quite that, but I'll take it.

673
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: I'll take them punching back a little bit, all right.

674
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: Ray asks any highlights from the offensive line?

675
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think highlights from the offensive line

676
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: is difficult because we don't get the benefit of watching

677
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 2: the film of practice to really see how good it was.

678
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: But I think the one thing that I mentioned is

679
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: you can hang your hat on the fact that the

680
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: one on one beats don't look as bad today than yesterday.

681
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't like guys were losing their one on one.

682
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: It was more about scheme and things like that that

683
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: was giving them problems. And I thought earlier in practice

684
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: they opened some rushing lanes for Remandre and for Zeke,

685
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: so I think that's a positive as well. But it's

686
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: hard to say exactly if there was like a pancake

687
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: block or something like that without being able to go

688
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: watch it back. But I think the biggest thing that

689
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: you saw today was a little bit cleaner of an

690
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: overall operation. Less penalties, less jail break sacks.

691
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: Like things like that. There's a little bit more. It

692
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: was a little bit more competitive.

693
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: We got a bunch of emails here about the offensive line.

694
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna combine some of these. David and Bethelon wants

695
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: to know how the new guys are doing city, so

696
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: Antony o'maffi and William wants to know how far all right,

697
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: so these can kind of combine the I'll combine these

698
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: two emails William and David here, how are the young

699
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: guys looking, because they've obviously been kind of thrust into

700
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: starting roles and like based on what it looks like

701
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: right now. And then William wants to, like how far

702
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: they are from being healthy. So let me ask you this.

703
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: You know, we're we're getting there. We're getting there to

704
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: week one. Cole Strange still not back on the field,

705
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: Mike and Win who's still not back on the field.

706
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's a chance either of those

707
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: guys end up starting a regular season game like early on?

708
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: And if they do, how ready do you think they look?

709
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're starting with the rookies. So has

710
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: gotten a little bit better each day. I thought his

711
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: tape last week against the Texans was kind of rough.

712
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: I understand that maybe that was not everybody's thinking, So

713
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: maybe I was being a little bit harsh on him.

714
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: I know he only gave up one, hurry according to PFF.

715
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: I didn't necessarily think.

716
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: It was that much of it, like, like he said

717
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: he gave up one, and he actually gave up five. Like,

718
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it was that bad, But it just

719
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: felt like he had a short corner and he was

720
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: struggling at times to protect the edge and keep guys

721
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: inside out with Will Anderson and some of the other

722
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: good Texans rushers, and then in the running game, his

723
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: technique was kind of all over the place, getting really

724
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: you know, firing out of his stance and getting over

725
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,959
Speaker 2: extended off balance like things like that, and not really

726
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: moving to a.

727
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: Lot of guys on the combo of blocks either.

728
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: So that's what I was hoping to see a little

729
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 2: bit more out of him, and maybe we'll see that

730
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: as he gets more comfortable with playing tackle. He's a

731
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: converted guard, right, so, just like with mike on Winne

732
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: when he's in there at tackle, like you expect those

733
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: guys to be big run blos when you played inside

734
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: and now you're playing outside. That's a big thing with

735
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: Marcus Cannon. Like Marcus Cannon was a guard and then

736
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: became a tackle, and he was a great run blocker

737
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: throughout his career because he's built like a guard.

738
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: So city So is similar.

739
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: And I would like to see a little bit better

740
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: in the run game if he can, you know, to

741
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: see that, to see that guard ability translate outside to tackle.

742
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: But I think he's gotten a little bit better. I

743
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: think he's okay. I wouldn't feel great about him starting

744
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: Week one, especially not against the Eagles pass rush in

745
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: their front, but I think that there's something there that

746
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: that's worth developing, that's worth working with in terms of

747
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 2: the tools. But I think we're a long way away

748
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: from him being a starter or a consistent starter at

749
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: that Mafi. I continue to like Mafi. I like what

750
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: he brings to the table. I think he plays the

751
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 2: style of guard. Now he's playing on the left side

752
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: right now. I think he's a right guard in their system.

753
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: We all do.

754
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 2: I would assume him. I think, I let you know.

755
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: I like how he plays. I like that he's a

756
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: powerful guy. He has a really good low center of gravity.

757
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: He's got a good anchor, stout anchor. He can move

758
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: guys in the run game. But he's somebody that is

759
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: tested athletically, and he's practices. He asked him to move

760
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: too much, that's going to be a concern if he

761
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: does get isolated with good pass rushes on the interior.

762
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: That has sometimes become a concern. But I like the

763
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: way that he plays the game from a power standpoint,

764
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: and he definitely has NFL play strength, Like there's no

765
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: doubt that he can hold up on the interior in

766
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: the NFL. From that point of view, if I had

767
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: to say, like which one would I rather start Week one?

768
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: If I absolutely had to, I'd probably lean towards Mafi.

769
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: But I think that's more about guard versus tackle than

770
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: necessarily him being miles ahead of City.

771
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: So at this point, let's go to the phonetil. Let's

772
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: go to Patty in a pup. Patty how you doing.

773
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 4: Can you hear me, guys?

774
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you all right.

775
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 4: I had a question for you guys that I was

776
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 4: a little disappointed that on filter didn't read it and

777
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 4: or it's maybe just a little bit of a point,

778
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 4: and that's you know, I don't think there's anybody coming

779
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 4: to save us as far as offensive tackle this year.

780
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 4: And Alex, I remember like when this past draft came,

781
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 4: you were saying, sign one draft one for offensive tackle,

782
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 4: and to me, like, if I'm running the show, I'm

783
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 4: taking ot with three of my first four picks this

784
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 4: year because you're gonna need you're gonna need two starters,

785
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 4: and you're gonna need a swing guy. And I apologize

786
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: for the noise, but I just wanted to get to

787
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 4: see what you guys thought about that. But I mean,

788
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 4: at least as far as this year goes, I think

789
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 4: we're kind of entrenched with what we got and I

790
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 4: mean we're just gonna have to live with it and

791
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 4: hope that everything comes together and.

792
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: That's it.

793
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know that you needed to

794
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: take three or four tackles at the beginning, but yeah,

795
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: they've left themselves short there. I wouldn't disagree with that,

796
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know that, Like, I don't think Joan

797
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: Williams is an answer. I don't think they're gonna be

798
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: able to get him. Outside of that, you know, everybody

799
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: in the league is struggling at tackle, maybe not as

800
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: much as the Patriots, but it's not like there's extra tackle.

801
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: It's not like there's extra tackles teams are trying to

802
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: give away. So I would agree with that. It's they're

803
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to figure it out internally and whether that's

804
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 1: one of these rookies really showing up, whether it's moving

805
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: Mike Go and Wenthu to right tackle, which I think

806
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: should become a real conversation at this point when he

807
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: comes back. They're gonna have to figure out something internally.

808
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that, you know, the way they handled

809
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: tackle in the off season is a very very valid

810
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: second guess about how they handled the off season week.

811
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: I think it's the second guess of the off season.

812
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I talk a lot about receivers.

813
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: I obviously it was upset that they didn't pay DeAndre

814
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: Hopkins and things like that, but the the second guests

815
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: I agree with you of the off season is how

816
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: they attack tackle and on the one hand, Calvin Anderson

817
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: I think was supposed to be in this mix, and

818
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: whatever illness he's dealing with is kind of you can't

819
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: predict that, right. You don't know that guys are going

820
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: to get sick like this. They can keep him out

821
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: for weeks on end. But we knew that Calvin Anderson

822
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: was three years in but more of a project or

823
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: a projection based off of physical tools and athleticism. Riley

824
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 2: Reef is fourteen years into the league, and we've certainly

825
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: seen some of that wear and tear in these practices,

826
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: and I think they've moved him inside to guard because

827
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: he can't play on an island out I tackle anymore,

828
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: so they've moved him inside the guard to mask some

829
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 2: of his issues with his foot speed. Already, like three

830
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: weeks in, we're already talking about how Riley Rea.

831
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 3: Is not a tackle anymore in the NFL.

832
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: So those two things have been big swings in the

833
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: miss Even if the Calvin Anderson thing was a little

834
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: bit unlucky and you drafted the only tackle that you

835
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: drafted was actually a guard in college, so it's certainly

836
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: a second guest that's totally valid, And we've made that

837
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: second guess already multiple times, so I get it. I

838
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: think that that's really going to make or break the

839
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: season for the team.

840
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Nick in New Hampshire.

841
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 5: Nick, Hey, guys here, can you hear me?

842
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: Yep?

843
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 5: Great? So yeah, well, personally, thank you for taking my call.

844
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 5: That's nice to hear that. The offense to do a

845
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 5: little bit better. I know this last year we were

846
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 5: not getting good news out of the joint practices. So

847
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 5: my question for you guys is on Douglass. What are

848
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 5: your honest predictions for what Douglass to do at the

849
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 5: beginning of the year, Especially do you think you can

850
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 5: take snaps away from a guy like Kendrick Born or

851
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 5: Tycoon Important? And then also with how crowded that wide

852
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 5: receiver room is. I know a lot of people are

853
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 5: an ammer inplication on route, especially when he did this

854
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 5: freshman year at LSU. Do you really think that there's

855
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 5: a spot on the roster for him?

856
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: All right, Evan, last week we got into it about

857
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: to Mario Douglas. You said you hadn't seen enough yet

858
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: to say anything. You've now seen, you know, two joint practice,

859
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: a preseason game. Where are you at with him.

860
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

861
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: I think I'm in a similar spot than I was

862
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: last week. I'm encouraged. I definitely see the twitch, the

863
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: movements to create separation. I thought he had some good

864
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: routes today in the red zone where we saw that

865
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: that just that quick, you know, short area ability to

866
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: get open is certainly there with him. I would actually

867
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: say if I if I had to tim my cap

868
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: to either one of the rookies, though, I'm meeting a

869
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 2: little bit of.

870
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 3: Crow with Kai Shan Boody.

871
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, Box, I know, I know

872
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: you you know that I haven't been all about the booty.

873
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: You were not impressed with his game against the Texans, No, And.

874
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: I wasn't really over the moon about anything that he

875
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: had done to camp. In camp to date, I think

876
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: there was a lot of good there. I shouldn't say

877
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: even a lot. There was three or four one handed

878
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: catches or acrobatic catches that were making highlights and we

879
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: were tweeting about them right during training camping Foxborough. But

880
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: I didn't really think that it was it was overly

881
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 2: consistent or there was a ton of consistent separation from him.

882
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 2: He's had a nice couple of days here in Green Bay.

883
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: Yesterday he made four catches and team drills. It came

884
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: a lot of it was early, but you know, the

885
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: whole offense kind of fizzled out late. So I'm not

886
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: going to hold that just against Kaisha on Booty, you know,

887
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 2: and everybody on the offense in the last like two

888
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 2: thirds of practice was not very good, so I wouldn't

889
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: hold out against him today. I thought that he made

890
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: a really good play in the two minute period at

891
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: the end of practice with Bailey Zappi, you know, running

892
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: a little whip route, keep the feed and bounced by

893
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: the front Pyelon. I think the two things that have

894
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: really stood out to him are not necessarily things that

895
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: we I think thought based off of his college projection. Certainly,

896
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: the hands, like he had a ton of drops in college,

897
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: like ross was an issue for him at LSU, and

898
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: he's had great hands I think so far, and good

899
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 2: body control like those are two things that I think

900
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: he's been has done well. But the wiggle maybe not

901
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: there as much as with the Mario Douglas. But I

902
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: think he's had a strong couple of days here, and

903
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: I not that Douglas has been bad. I think both

904
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: those guys have had moments and have shown well here

905
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: in Green Bay. But I think that if I had

906
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: to say which one was I more impressed by in

907
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: which one of my second guessing my initial take on

908
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: it's it's probably a little bit more Booty because I

909
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 2: maybe I was a little bit higher on Douglass before.

910
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 1: Anyways, Booty make and Evan do a double take. I'll

911
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: tell you this. I think I heard Matt through the

912
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: glass laugh at that one. The sixth To answer the

913
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: second part of the Collars question, the six wide receiver

914
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: thing is very real, very real. Yeah, especially if Tae

915
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: Kwan's hurt and they can get them on and then

916
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: ir them so.

917
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: But that's a different conversation, right, Like, if they know

918
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: that Taekwan is not going to start the year, then

919
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: they have to carry six because they're gonna need at

920
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: least four on game day.

921
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: That's true, but they could in a different day, they could,

922
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: in theory, try to cut one of the rookies and

923
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: and then try to get them back. Yeah. I think

924
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: you're looking at a situation where those two guys are

925
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: going to be on the fifty three man roster and

926
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: the other thing that helps is between cutting Jordan Healy

927
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: and DeMarcus Mitchell the last couple of days. Those are

928
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: guys we thought were maybe not roster locks, but close

929
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: in terms of that special teams unit. And they seem

930
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: to be kind of cutting down on their dedicated specialists.

931
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: And that's going to open up more spots. And you

932
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: look where does it open up a spot? Right away?

933
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: You look to that wide receiver room and say, all right,

934
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: that's how you're gonna get six wide receivers on the board.

935
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm still not rolling out them keeping two kickers. I'm

936
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: not rolling it out entirely.

937
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: No.

938
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: Please, you sound the way you said that lets me

939
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: know that you know it's a possibility.

940
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 2: Of course, anything involving special teams that's ridiculous with Bill

941
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: Belichick as a possibility.

942
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, don't roll it out.

943
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: I I think with the S, I'm hoping that the

944
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: cover Jase is as I as we like to call them.

945
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: I hope that they're gonna be a little bit more

946
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: scarce this year. Like obviously Matthew Slater is going to

947
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: be on this team, and I think Brandon's schoolers should

948
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 2: be on the team as well.

949
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be three. I think it's gonna

950
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: be Slater Schooler and Calvin Munson.

951
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: Okay, so I I and we don't count Chris Board, right.

952
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: You know, Chris Boards a linebacker. He's like Brandon Bolden

953
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 1: on defense, Like Brandon Bolden played a lot of special

954
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: teams when he was a running back.

955
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: Right, so Chris Boards, you know, a position player.

956
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: I would like to see them only carry those two

957
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: because A I think they have some talent in other

958
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: areas of the roster that they need to keep the

959
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 2: depth at, like receiver, tight end, you know, other places

960
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: like that, maybe running back.

961
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 3: If they want to carry all four of.

962
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: These running backs, yeah, that is something that I would

963
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: like to see them. Do you know Malie Cunningham, like

964
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: is he I think he's got a chance to make

965
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: this team now.

966
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: I mean I've just been including him as a quarterback

967
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: at this point.

968
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: Right.

969
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 2: So those guys are all guys that if you keep

970
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: six special teams guys and you're not gonna be able

971
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: to carry all all of this extra depth. I think

972
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: that the big thing with you know, the six receiver

973
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: thing for me is I just don't see Bill Belichick

974
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: ever doing it unless it's a special circumstance like Taekwan

975
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: is going to be put on i R immediately, and

976
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: they need to carry six and not not risk the

977
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 2: waiver process with Douglas or Booty. But if it's just

978
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: six straight up, I just can't see it Bill doing that.

979
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 2: I just think that they like to carry their depth

980
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: in other places and always have. I mean there's been

981
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: years where they've only carried four receivers.

982
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. But again, I think they're doing things differently this year.

983
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna look a little different. I think

984
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: the six wide receiver thing really is in play. Somebody,

985
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: and I'm laughing somebody in the YouTube chat when I

986
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: talked about having two kickers, somebody said the legion of boom.

987
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: It's the legion of feet. It should be a great

988
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 1: hay for the special teams from let's go to Niles

989
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma and Niles what's up?

990
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 6: Just kind of want to touching which you guys are

991
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 6: just talking about. Uh, just with the NFL changing the

992
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 6: kickoff rule, do you think that kind of plays a

993
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 6: role or while the Patriots are kind of getting rid

994
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 6: of these guys that we kind of thought were roster,

995
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 6: Loxboro's specialty. That's kind of all I got for you guys,

996
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 6: and I appreciate it.

997
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's possibly part of it.

998
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too.

999
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: And I also just look at in general, it's the

1000
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: kickoff rules changed. There's just less special team snaps to

1001
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 2: go around than there was five ten years ago. Like

1002
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: it just you know, we always joke with each other

1003
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: about it being the third of the game, but even

1004
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: you have to admit, Alex, it's not statistically even the

1005
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: third of the game, right, Like it's like.

1006
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: He's probably close to No, it's more than fifteen, Evan's not.

1007
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: There's there's four downs, one of them is special teams.

1008
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: That's twenty five percent. Plus you have like kickoffs that

1009
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: don't count. Is it down? Then a game book?

1010
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: Go look at a game book from last year and

1011
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: look at, like what the guys that played the most

1012
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: special teams snaps on the Patriots play. It's like twenty

1013
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: snaps a game. The offensive guys plays sixty five to

1014
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: eighty snaps a game.

1015
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: Right, So.

1016
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: If there's if there's let's say there's eighty plays on offense,

1017
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: eighty plays on defense in the regular NFL game, and

1018
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: then there's maybe twenty plays of special teams for your

1019
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: for your you know, I don't know if it's you.

1020
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: You you like this high scoring football, higher scoring, higher scoring,

1021
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: more special teams plays.

1022
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, more special teams plays of them kicking off into.

1023
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 3: The back of the ends of the extra points. Really

1024
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 3: we have to worry about extra points.

1025
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: You know.

1026
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: The one thing that I remember about extra points is

1027
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: that Rob Gronkowski broke his force.

1028
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,479
Speaker 1: All Right, we don't need to just all right, Mark

1029
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: Mark in Connecticut, Mark.

1030
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 7: Hey, yeah, guys, how you're doing it good?

1031
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: How's it going?

1032
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 7: Just wanted to ask you, uh, because you guys already

1033
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 7: answered the wide receiver questions with Douglas and Boots. Offensive line,

1034
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 7: Is there a way that Bill O'Brien can scheme around

1035
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 7: how terrible our offensive line is?

1036
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean we've we've talked a lot about

1037
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: this in the past. It's it's uh, you know, play action,

1038
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: it's quick passing concepts. Incorporating things like screens RPOs is

1039
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: a big one. Evan. I know that that's your kind

1040
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: of that's where you like to go in this conversation.

1041
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: There are it kind of limits your ability to to

1042
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: get big plays in terms of throwing the ball down

1043
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: the field. You can still get big plays in the

1044
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: passing game on catch and run. But yeah, there are

1045
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: there are ways to do that. It's just being able

1046
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: to do it. It's it's easier said than done.

1047
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look, I'm maybe I'm being too optimistic about

1048
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: the offensive line, but I I'm trying to to be

1049
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: patient with it because there's two reasons. One Cold Strange

1050
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: and Mike on Win, who are a huge part of

1051
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 2: what they want to do on the offense.

1052
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not gonna be this bad. Like that's kind

1053
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: of caveats all of this. It's it's not that it's

1054
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: gonna be this bad. They'll get healthy. It's if they

1055
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: get hurt again and some of these guys have to play,

1056
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: that's where the real concern comes in, right.

1057
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 3: I mean, Cold Strange is the first round pick last year.

1058
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: Everybody knows my feelings about the fact that he was

1059
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: a first round pick. But that being said, like it's

1060
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: not relevant now, that's supposed to be a good player

1061
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 2: for you, right, like a really rock solid guard for

1062
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: you for years to come. Mike on WINU is I

1063
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: think one of their best football players on their entire roster.

1064
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 3: Just regardless of position.

1065
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: So those two guys coming back if they can keep

1066
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 2: that sturdy interior, or maybe Mike on Win who kicks

1067
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: out to right tackle. But I think what they would

1068
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 2: like to do is have strange Andrews on when who

1069
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 2: build that shelf for mac Jones to just sit right

1070
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 2: back behind them and make throws from the pocket, so

1071
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: you know they can do that.

1072
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 3: And you have Trent on the left side, you have

1073
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien.

1074
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: Scheming the different things that you didn't played out, Alex, Like,

1075
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: I don't think it necessarily is going to be absolutely terrible. Like,

1076
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be horrible. Do I think

1077
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: it's gonna be good or elite or great or whatever. No,

1078
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: But I do think it's gonna be passable. Yeah, I

1079
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: think it could be passable with all those different configurations

1080
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 2: and all those different circumstances rolling into one. We want

1081
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about the defense though, we.

1082
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel bad. It's been like three shows in

1083
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: a row and we're supposed to be the show that

1084
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: touches on everything, and I hope people stuck around to

1085
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: the end to hear us do the defense, And yeah,

1086
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: I want to get to some starters in a bit.

1087
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: But we got an email on this, and I think

1088
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: it's actually a really good question Kyle in Pembroke asking

1089
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 1: about Isaiah Bolden and I, look, I think that that's

1090
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: still one of the most interesting battles in this camp,

1091
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: that third boundary corner spot behind Christigan Zalez and Jack Jones.

1092
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: If you can keep John Jones in the slot, who's

1093
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: it going to be? It was Isaiah Bolden had a

1094
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: couple of really good days there and then I thought

1095
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: he sorted. I don't think he backtracked, but he kind

1096
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: of leveled off heading into that preseason game. We've seen

1097
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: a mere speed start to make some plays. Sean Wade

1098
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: I heard had a really good day yesterday. Where are

1099
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: those guys at? Like, is there suddenly some talent here?

1100
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1101
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 2: Look, I think Isaiah Bolden, I really like his instincts.

1102
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: I think he's an instinctual player on the boundary. A

1103
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: mere speed has a little bit more noticeable plays, I

1104
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 2: would say on the ball out here. You know the

1105
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: last two days I'm talking about. He made some plays

1106
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: on the ball yesterday that were impressive plays. But I

1107
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: really we might we maybe should be talking a little

1108
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: bit more about Sean Wade, Like, OK, I'm not sitting

1109
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 2: here saying that Sean Wade is gonna be like a

1110
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: difference maker. Like, don't get me wrong, but I think

1111
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: we should be talking a little bit more about him

1112
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: making the fifty three man roster. Now, he's a nickel corner,

1113
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: like he's a spot. I don't think he's going to

1114
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: play on the outside consistently well, he doesn't have the

1115
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: long speed. It's a lot like you know, a Jalen

1116
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 2: Mills kind of situation where he's just better inside.

1117
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 3: It's just the way that he plays.

1118
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 2: So I think Sean Wade in the nickel spot or

1119
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: Sean Wade playing like that hybrid safety nickel role that

1120
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: they tend to lean on a little bit. It gives

1121
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: you a little bit of size, maybe not on the boundary,

1122
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 2: but it just gives you a little size somewhere that's

1123
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 2: bigger than Marcus Jones or Miles Bryant or those types

1124
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: of players. And he's made some really heads up plays lately.

1125
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: He just has.

1126
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: And he had a really nice showing, not anything spectacular

1127
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: or anything like jaw dropping, but I thought he played

1128
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: pretty well against the Texans last week. On film, hanging

1129
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: with John Metchi for most of that game. So we'll

1130
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: see what it looks like on Saturday night. For Sean

1131
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: Wade if he has another good game, I think that,

1132
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: you know, we should be talking about him as a

1133
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: fifty three man roster guy. I just really quickly too

1134
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: on these Packers receivers. Christian Watson is making me like,

1135
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 2: very very upset, Alex, because that guy is a stud.

1136
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: I mean, what a freaking player that dude is gonna

1137
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 2: be h if the light continues to be on for

1138
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: him and the arrow continues to point upward. Explosive, really

1139
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: good in and out of the break for a guy

1140
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: at his size.

1141
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 3: He's made some.

1142
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: Really really good plays out here the last couple of days.

1143
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: So the Patriots are are are dealing with a pretty

1144
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 2: good receiver in him, and I think Dobbs has actually

1145
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: been pretty good too, Uh that both those guys have

1146
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: been pretty solid.

1147
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: Jordan Love, you know.

1148
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: Not so much in my opinion, but I thought the

1149
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: receivers for the Packers have been good. In a Musgrave

1150
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: the tight end drafted, he's he's been effective, you know,

1151
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 2: kind of like a Mica Sicki type running the seam

1152
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: and making catches, you know, outside his frame and things

1153
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: like that. So a couple of good receivers here for

1154
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: the Packers. It's not a better day for today. For

1155
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales yesterday. Yeah, yesterday was a little bit of

1156
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 2: a rookie, you know, welcome to the NFL against Christian Watson.

1157
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 2: Like it's no offense again to the Patriots receivers, but

1158
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: they don't have a guy as explosive as Christian Watson.

1159
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,479
Speaker 2: They just don't have somebody that's six three and runs

1160
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: a four to three on their roster. Well they do,

1161
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: but he's you know, is Taekwon Uh. I think with

1162
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: Gonzales yesterday, the one thing that that really showed up

1163
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: and this is what happened with him on the deep

1164
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 2: touchdown that him and Mills were in the area of

1165
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: he gets sucked up in the in the middle of

1166
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 2: the field a little bit in zone and with the

1167
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 2: Patriots and with most zone coverages, when you're in cover

1168
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: three and you have the deep third, right, so you're

1169
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 2: you're responsible for that one third of the field and

1170
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: the deep part of the field if you're a receiver

1171
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 2: that lines up across from you. And I wish I

1172
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: had like we don't have whiteboards. I can't really describe this,

1173
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: so just follow me if you can. If there was

1174
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: receiver and lined up across from you, runs underneath you,

1175
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: then you're supposed to let it go right like, You're

1176
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: not supposed to follow that receiver into the middle of

1177
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 2: the field. Instead, you're what you're supposed to do is

1178
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: drop and get depth and get to the deep part

1179
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 2: of the field and then look kind of angle yourself

1180
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 2: to look inside to see if anything is coming from

1181
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 2: the back side.

1182
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 3: And what happened was is Christian Gonzale Christian Watson. Excuse me.

1183
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 2: I started on the right side of the quarterback, Gonzalez

1184
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: was on the left side of the quarterback. Watson ran

1185
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: the deep over the deep crossing route and by the

1186
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: time Gonzalez realized that he was crossing from the other

1187
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 2: side of the formation, it was too late. So I

1188
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 2: thought that that was a good coachable moment for him,

1189
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 2: and he's got to get better at that and zone

1190
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 2: And this was something that came up with him at

1191
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: Oregon as well. But if you ask him to cover

1192
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: man to man, I still think that he was competitive

1193
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 2: throughout practice over the last couple of days and had

1194
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: a really good pass breakup at the end of practice

1195
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 2: today in the two minute to save a touchdown. So

1196
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of positives from his man

1197
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: demand work, his own work.

1198
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 3: He still gets a little bit lost.

1199
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: The other really interesting thing I wish we'd gotten to

1200
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: see this year, but Marte Mopu out of the non

1201
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: contact jersey, so a chance to judge him when it

1202
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: comes to full contact. It sounded like today he made

1203
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: his presence felt in that regard.

1204
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean I've never really been too concerned

1205
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,959
Speaker 2: about his ability from a physical standpoint because a sack State,

1206
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 2: he was a really physical downhill player at the Senior Bowl.

1207
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: He's playing guys that are much bigger now than he

1208
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: was at Sex. Being two thirty is a linebacker Sacramento

1209
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: State's much different than being two thirty as a linebacker

1210
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: in the NFL.

1211
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally fair.

1212
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: I just the way that he plays, you know, he

1213
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: converts that speed to power, right, because he's so explosive

1214
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: that when he puts his foot in the ground and

1215
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: goes forward that he can build up a lot of

1216
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: speed and now all of a sudden, it's like you know,

1217
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: trying to block a missile, right, so I think that's

1218
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 2: that's really where he has stood out throughout you know,

1219
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: the film that I've watched of him back in college.

1220
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: I'm really interested to see him on film on Saturday night,

1221
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 2: Like hopefully he plays in the game on Saturday night

1222
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: at full contact. Yeah, and then we can actually dissect

1223
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 2: some game tape of how he looks out there and

1224
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: where they're using him in different things like that, a

1225
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: couple of other you know, just notes on the defense. Yeah,

1226
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: I really thought that Keon White was like having a

1227
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: great two days. And you know, the injury, I don't

1228
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: think it's gonna end up being serious. But whenever you

1229
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: watch these joint practices, and you know this from watching

1230
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: them back at home, when the other team starts to

1231
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: get annoyed with the player, it's probably because that player is, like,

1232
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 2: you know, playing at one hundred and ten percent is good, right.

1233
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: Especially if it's a guy in the trenches.

1234
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1235
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: So Keon White is throwing his weight around, making his

1236
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: presence felt, and the Packers started to get like fed

1237
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: up with it, right, Like they were just you know,

1238
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: getting annoyed at like this freaking guy just keeps coming

1239
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: at us like Jesus, and uh, That's what I just

1240
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 2: love about his game. He's got a NonStop motor, like

1241
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: he's all all the time at one hundred percent.

1242
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 3: He's gonna be a really good player.

1243
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: Christian Barmore, I thought, has had a pretty good couple

1244
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 2: of days too. I think that he's coming on and

1245
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: it's gonna be good as well.

1246
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 3: The defense.

1247
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: You know, yesterday was the big play to Christian Watson

1248
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 2: was was the big backbreaker for the defense. I think

1249
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: the one thing that maybe the Packers had some success

1250
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: with today and yesterday was in breaking routes.

1251
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 5: Uh.

1252
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: That's some stuff that I think that they're still working

1253
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: on in terms of leverage and help. You know, we

1254
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 2: know Devin mccordy's not back there in the middle of

1255
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: the field anymore.

1256
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 3: That's a big thing.

1257
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: But even just help from the second level, whether it's

1258
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: like a rober defender or linebackers dropping into low holes

1259
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: or things like that.

1260
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

1261
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: Their system, they these corners are gonna be outside leverage, right,

1262
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: so they're gonna be outside positioned on these receivers across

1263
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 2: the board, and we've seen in the past how shallow

1264
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 2: crosser slants like those things can give them.

1265
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 3: A lot of trouble.

1266
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: I thought the Packers were able to emphasize some of

1267
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 2: that against the defense the last couple of days. So

1268
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 2: that continues to be I think a work in progress

1269
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: of just knowing where your help is and having to

1270
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 2: help be there consistently. And then also the guys that

1271
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: are out leveraged working to fight leverage and things like

1272
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: that is going to have to be something that they're

1273
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 2: gonna get a little bit better at. But I think

1274
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 2: the front spit was pretty good the last couple of days,

1275
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 2: and that you know today Jordan Love installed in both

1276
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 2: of his two minute drill drives. They had a really

1277
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: good ending to practice. Jordan Loves an interesting player that

1278
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what you think about him before we

1279
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 2: wrap it here.

1280
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: I didn't love him in the draft. You know, coming

1281
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: out of you is Utah State, right, I was getting

1282
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: Utah State and Nevada mixed up. But because you know

1283
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: same area, he's yeah, you State. Yeah. That Mountain West

1284
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: Conference is always wide open. And you see these big

1285
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: armed quarterbacks that did come out of there, and I

1286
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: think the elevation helps them a little bit and they

1287
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: just never catch it that the windows are much tighter

1288
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: in the NFL than they are in the Mountain West

1289
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: and they never catch up to that. Maybe he will.

1290
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: And I think a guy like Christian Watson, like you

1291
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: talk about a quarterback and receiver in theory pairing their

1292
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: skill sets, I think that's a really good fit. We'll

1293
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: see if they can get there. I don't think he's

1294
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: bad by any means, Like, he's definitely a guy that's

1295
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: worth getting a look to start. I don't think he's

1296
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: like I don't think the Packers are totally out of

1297
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: left field by trying to put it in his hands.

1298
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: But I'm also I'm not saying like he's gonna be

1299
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: their next franchise quarterback. I think he's kind of a

1300
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: boomer bust kind of player.

1301
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I think that he is.

1302
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: And I know that's that's a super sensu fence sitting take,

1303
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: but whatever.

1304
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 3: No, it's fair. I think that there's two sides of

1305
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 3: Jordan Love.

1306
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 2: It's like, in one world he's Zach Wilson and in

1307
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 2: one world he's Josh Allen.

1308
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 3: But there's no in between, right.

1309
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: But I almost feel like I almost feel like he's

1310
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: exactly halfway in between, and that's what's gonna be interesting.

1311
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: Is that gonna be enough for the packers? Yeah, that

1312
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: can be up for the packers to commit to him

1313
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: long term because he's on he's on a one year deal, right, well,

1314
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: he's on his rookie dear, he's on his he's on

1315
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: his fifth year option.

1316
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 3: Okay. I thought I didn't know if this was four

1317
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 3: year four year five.

1318
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: He was no, because he was the twenty twenty draft,

1319
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: So oh no, this is your four you're right.

1320
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he Uh, he's been interesting because he's been

1321
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: There's been moments where he's been a little bit spotty,

1322
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 2: you know with his accuracy, which is to be expected.

1323
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 2: He's got tons of arm talent. You know, he can

1324
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: he can make all of those like crazy off platform

1325
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: throws that make everybody go nuts, that that you know

1326
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: Mahomes does and Alan does and things like that.

1327
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 5: Uh.

1328
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 2: The structure of stuff, though, is going to be the

1329
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 2: make or break for him. He made some good instruction

1330
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: throws yesterday. I thought, you know, on some of those

1331
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 2: lands and things like that. That and he's been checking

1332
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 2: down a lot apparently that's what the uh, A lot

1333
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 2: of the packer media here, yeah, has said that he's

1334
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 2: been throwing a ton of checkdowns in practice to start camp.

1335
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 3: I don't know where he don't.

1336
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 2: I think he makes better decisions than he did early

1337
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 2: on in his career, and certainly in college. I remember

1338
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: in college he threw like thirty picks one year or

1339
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: something like.

1340
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: That, because that's what the Mountain West is. That that's

1341
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: what all those teams are, all those offenses are just

1342
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: throw the ball up.

1343
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's made some better decisions from what

1344
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 2: I've seen, but it is very boom or bust with him.

1345
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 2: It's either hitting at all the cylinders or you know,

1346
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 2: the offense is struggling to string together a first down.

1347
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: The checkout thing, I almost feel like is a good

1348
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: sign for him, because a lot of those quarterbacks like

1349
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: this was a big problem with Josh Allen early in

1350
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: his career. He wouldn't be patient, he wouldn't take the checkdown.

1351
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: He'd make stupid throws instead and try to force it.

1352
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:44,919
Speaker 1: So if he's checking it down, maybe that's a good sign.

1353
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: He's also on a really weird contract. I forgot about this,

1354
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: So his rookie deals up. He's signed for the next

1355
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: two years, and then there's three years of dead money,

1356
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: so it's it's I don't know that's a whole thing.

1357
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: Good luck to the Packers to caring that out, But

1358
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about another quarterback. We got

1359
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: a late email here and then we're gonna quick special

1360
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: teams thing can get out of here. Alex in Raleigh,

1361
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: North Carolina asked, is Malik Cunningham playing quarterback just a

1362
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: preseason thing or something that we're gonna see?

1363
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 2: Well, I will say this, Malik Cunningham practiced at quarterback

1364
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: yesterday and he only took four snaps. They were all

1365
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 2: run plays, you know, designed quarterback around stuff, read option stuff.

1366
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 2: But if this was all about you know, there's that

1367
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 2: theory out there, Alex, that this might be about Jalen Hurts, right,

1368
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 2: and then getting the Patriots defense ready to face the

1369
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 2: Eagles in Week one and the other read option quarterbacks

1370
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 2: that they might face down the road, and trying to

1371
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 2: emphasize this more early on in the in the summer

1372
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 2: so that the defense gets used to seeing those looks.

1373
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 2: If that was the case, and they would not be

1374
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 2: practicing these actions against the Packers defense, Like what would

1375
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 2: be the point, right, We're getting the Packers defense ready

1376
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 2: for for those matchups, Like why would they care about that.

1377
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: So this isn't uh, this is a thing like, this

1378
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 2: is something that they're trying to see if this would

1379
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 2: be an option for them. I'm still not one hundred

1380
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 2: percent certain if it's real or if it's just experimenting

1381
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 2: in the summertime. He didn't get as many reps at

1382
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 2: quarterback today.

1383
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 3: Today. It was all Mac Johns.

1384
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: I would say that Bill has that thing right where

1385
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: it's it's all one week. It's not the practice in

1386
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: the preseason game and the guys that practice more play

1387
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: less and vice versa. That might be because they're planning on

1388
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: playing Millie cunning him a lot. Yeah, Friday night.

1389
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 2: That's a that's a very Saturday. Yeah, that's that's a

1390
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 2: good way of looking at it. I I I was

1391
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 2: we were talking about it after practice, and you know,

1392
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 2: we were talking about if Mac was going to to

1393
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: play on Saturday, and I think that he might play

1394
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: like you know that typical get your feet wet preseason amount,

1395
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: right like one.

1396
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the third.

1397
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 2: Sason game will be more of the one where they

1398
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 2: try to give the leave the starters out there a

1399
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 2: little bit. But I think you could be right that

1400
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: we could see a lot of Milie Cunningham, and unfortunately

1401
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 2: for some of us, we might see a lot of

1402
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: Trace mcsorly because Trace mcsory did not throw practically any

1403
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 2: passes in practice over the last two days.

1404
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: He didn't do it when they were here either.

1405
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that we could see you know,

1406
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 2: trace mcsorly in Malie cutting him, hopefully Milie cunning Gham.

1407
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 3: That would be a little bit more exciting uh for the.

1408
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: Entire second half on UH ON on Saturday night.

1409
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens.

1410
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 2: But like I said, I think it's the theory of

1411
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 2: it's just an Eagles thing is out the door because

1412
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 2: they did it against a different defense now, so I

1413
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 2: continue to think that they might want to see if

1414
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 2: they can keep this in their back pocket and have

1415
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 2: a you know, I don't know if i'd call it

1416
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 2: necessarily a wildcat because it's not like they're using a

1417
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 2: non quarterback, but a wild cat like package just for

1418
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: Malik Cuttingham, maybe in goal line, short yardage, you know

1419
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 2: that type of situation.

1420
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: All right, Evin, you got to be me this week.

1421
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm not there. You're the eyes, you're the boots on

1422
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: the ground. Talk to me about these specialists.

1423
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 3: What's up with your boy, behinger Man.

1424
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not there. You tell me.

1425
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 2: It hasn't been good. It hasn't been pretty for all Bearinger. Yeah,

1426
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 2: he's in a little bit of a rut right now.

1427
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 2: I know that breaks you and Brian Harns hinds his

1428
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: heart to hear that he's been a little bit of

1429
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 2: a rut. I thought today it looked like Corless Weightman

1430
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 2: actually let off the period on special teams and has

1431
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 2: been you know Corliss weightman style, Like it's just consistent.

1432
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: It's not anything wowing you or impressive about it, but

1433
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 2: it's pretty consistent. And I think that that's where we're

1434
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 2: at right now. I think Bearinger has got a little

1435
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 2: bit of the yips, Alex. I'm not gonna lie to you.

1436
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,959
Speaker 2: I think that there's a little bit of a concern there.

1437
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 2: Something seems off with him. Maybe I don't know what.

1438
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: I'm not a I'm not a technique expert when it

1439
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 2: comes to punters, but there's something a little bit off,

1440
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: and the hang times have been low, and Weightman's been

1441
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 2: coming on a little bit more right like his Weightman's

1442
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 2: been getting a little bit more of a look I

1443
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 2: don't know. I think the kickers have been tough too, though,

1444
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 2: because it's it's incredibly windy here the last couple of days,

1445
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 2: so it's kicking. A lot of the kicks have died,

1446
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 2: but there wasn't a ton of kicking today. In terms

1447
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 2: of kick field goals, yesterday Folk went four for five.

1448
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 2: Ryland was three for five, So basically the same. I

1449
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 2: would say. Ryland, though, continues to have the much bigger leg,

1450
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 2: which we knew. Your two kicker theory is one that

1451
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 2: drives me up an absolute wall.

1452
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 3: But that's very college like right to have.

1453
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,799
Speaker 1: Like so you can kick off and your long field

1454
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: goal guy and then you have your short field goal guy.

1455
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: It drives you crazy because you know it's possible.

1456
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 2: No, it drives any crazy because they were wasting a

1457
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 2: roster spot on two kickers.

1458
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: No, but like you could easily because I know you.

1459
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: If you thought there was no shot at all that

1460
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: it was happening, you would say, stop talking about it,

1461
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: it's not happening. In the in the weeks since I

1462
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: brought that up, you have not once said to me

1463
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: it's not happening, stop talking about it. I'm not saying

1464
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: I would do it I wouldn't. I would go with

1465
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: Chad rolland you draft him in the fourth round. I

1466
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: think he's good, you let him work through the growing pains,

1467
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: Nick Folk. Either he's good in whatever, or he's he's good,

1468
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 1: then you're still kind of wasting a ross spot. Or

1469
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: he's bad and you cut him in a couple weeks anyway,

1470
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: and who'd you let go instead? But I can't rule

1471
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: it out. I can't rule it out just yet. They

1472
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: haven't done anything to show me I can rule it out.

1473
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: And I think you know that because you have not

1474
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: once told me to stop talking about it.

1475
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 2: You're right, And it would be very Patriots that the

1476
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 2: Patriots would basically be a college team, be because they'll

1477
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: have Malie Cunningham as their running quarterback and Mac Jones

1478
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 2: is the passing and then they would have like their

1479
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 2: short field goals specialists and their long field goals specialists.

1480
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 2: So the Patriots becoming a college football team, which I

1481
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 2: know has been your dream for.

1482
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: The Bill O'Brien. Bill O'Brien last year at Alabama was

1483
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: a booth coach rather than a sideline coach, which is

1484
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: way more popular in college in the NFL. I don't

1485
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: know the bill would go for that, and that's a conversation. Actually,

1486
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: I met he was on the sideline last week, right, yes, okay,

1487
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: that's gonna be something interesting to watch here, because didn't

1488
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: they try Patricia who did they try up in the

1489
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 1: booth last year or was it two years ago? For

1490
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,560
Speaker 1: like one week and then that was it was Patricia.

1491
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 2: Right, No, Patricia was on the side. It was Billy Yates.

1492
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 2: Billy Yah was on in the booth, and then Patricia

1493
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 2: was trying to coach the court, the offensive line and

1494
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 2: call plays all at the same time, and then they

1495
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 2: brought Billy Yates back down.

1496
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 3: I got to tell you, and I know a lot.

1497
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 2: Of guys do it, so it's it's obviously not as

1498
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 2: hard as it looks in some respects, like obviously at

1499
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 2: all it's all hard. But you know, Kyle Shanahan, Andy Reid,

1500
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels, those guys are all head coaches, so they

1501
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 2: all call the game from the sideline. But I don't

1502
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 2: know how you do call the game from the sideline

1503
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 2: because you can't see the plays develop as easily.

1504
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: We've got this awesome new video board to look and

1505
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: check out. I think that's why all honestly. Yeah, I

1506
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: think that's why you've got like Evan Rothstein upstairs. Yeah,

1507
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: that's what his role is.

1508
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 2: So they have guys up top, and you know, Brian

1509
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 2: Belichick does this for the defense. I'm not sure who

1510
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 2: does it for the offense. You know, obviously new staff,

1511
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 2: new oc, right, but they have they have guys up

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01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 2: top that chart the game and once the game starts

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01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 2: to declare, like they oh, they're playing us in a

1514
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: lot of man, they're playing us in a lot of

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01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,879
Speaker 2: two coverage three, you know whatever, then that gets relayed

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01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 2: down to the play callers and that's when they try

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01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: to you know, spam the two cover two beaters for example,

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01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 2: or whatever it is that once the game declares. But

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01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 2: I just think that that's really impressive skill to be

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01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 2: able to call a game from field level and understand

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01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 2: what the defense is doing and what the coverages are

1522
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 2: and what the shells are and like all that kind

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01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: I don't know how they do that, but that's that's

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01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 2: a little that's a conversation for a couple of weeks

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01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: like that between gap. That will be an interesting one

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01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 2: to have.

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01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting to watch people forget Hugh freeze

1528
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: once Head coached a game from a hospital bed in

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01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: the coaching box upstairs, so shout out to him for

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01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: that one. All right, we're gonna we're gonna cut it

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01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: on that. That's gonna wrap up this episode. Evan obviously

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01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: has all his stuff up on Patriots dot com, so

1533
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: you can go check that out if there was anything

1534
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: we didn't get to from today's practice. We will be

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01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: back next week Thursday again. Next week, right, yes.

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01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Thursday will be the off day next week.

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01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: That is gonna be very interesting because that is the

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01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: day of the Bruce Springsteen concert. So I will I

1539
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: will probably go right from this to that, but I'll

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01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: be back in the right right. No, that's what I'm saying.

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01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk right out of here and go out

1542
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be perfect. And I'm gonna get your

1543
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: favorite Springsteen songs because you had me do that for

1544
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. So there's the tease for next week again.

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01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 1: We'll be back then to meet Ti'm Evan has all

1546
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: this stuff up on Patriots dot com. You can find

1547
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: me over at ninety eight five thesportsub dot com. Forevan

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01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: Lazaramlex Barth, thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. We'll talk

1549
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: to you next week. Bye.

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01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,160
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