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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. A lot has

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Speaker 1: happened in a short amount of time since the Ravens

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Speaker 1: the coaching interviews and whatnot continue as well. So a

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Speaker 1: lots to talk about Garrett after that, and we're going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the dust has kind of settled a little bit

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Speaker 2: from the more raw emotion that we had soon after

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Speaker 2: that game. We did the postgame analysis podcast on Sunday night,

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Speaker 2: and then, yeah, there's a lot that's happening. Kind of

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Speaker 2: the NFL world turns quickly and on Monday, you've got

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Speaker 2: coaches that are going through interviews at this point. Mike

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Speaker 2: also interviewing with the Seahawks. Don't know where that's going

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Speaker 2: to ultimately land. Anthony Weaver has also done a second

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Speaker 2: interview with the Commanders. Again, don't know where any of

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Speaker 2: that stuff stands or where that's going to land, but

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Speaker 2: there's interest and there's a whole bunch of Ravens assistants

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Speaker 2: who have also interviewed or been requested to interview for

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator opportunities as well. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: interest in this Ravens coaching staff than the other news.

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Speaker 2: This piece is confirmed is that Joe Ortiz, longtime scout

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Speaker 2: personnel man here, is going to be the next general

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Speaker 2: manager of the Los Angeles Chargers exactly.

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Speaker 1: So let's back up a little bit. And because all

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Speaker 1: this happens a little too fast, it doesn't feel like

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Speaker 1: for me, you know, there's different stages of grieving the

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Speaker 1: Ravens loss, right, and the first one is kind of shock,

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Speaker 1: and that was Sunday night, in the Monday morning, shock, numbness.

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Speaker 1: Then you turn into anger, what the heck happened out there? Right?

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Speaker 1: And now I'm kind of hitting the sadness part of it, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of I'm mourning the Ravens seizing because here's

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Speaker 1: where I'm at right now. As I said following the

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Speaker 1: Ravens win against the Texans, I think this is the

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Speaker 1: best Ravens seamen in franchise history. I think it was.

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Speaker 1: And to miss an opportunity despite being the best team

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Speaker 1: gut punch right there, because to start from the bottom

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Speaker 1: an opportunity, and I don't know, I felt like I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think it's the disappointment. Disappointment of this

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Speaker 2: season is real. I mean, I think that a lot

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Speaker 2: of us were saying, myself included, that this felt like

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Speaker 2: it was a team. Everything had come into place. You

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Speaker 2: had this collection of young players who were having breakout seasons.

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Speaker 2: You had these veterans who were having some of the

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Speaker 2: staff who you knew was going to draw interest in

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Speaker 2: the off season. All of this stuff was kind of

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Speaker 2: swirling a little bit during the season, but you just

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Speaker 2: the coaching staff, this is the year. And so for

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It just feels like it was a real missed opportunity,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I think that like I think that

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Speaker 2: players felt that way, coaches felt that way. I agree

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Speaker 2: But you have to get it done when the moment's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're not going to do a full film

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Speaker 1: in Ravens I view, which was again painful. That's why

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Speaker 1: I'm sad. But I do want to talk about two

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Speaker 1: of the biggest talking points for fans and questions coming

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Speaker 2: I still feel really good about Lamar's the Ravens quarterback.

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Speaker 2: He was great this season. He's going to win a

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Speaker 2: what went wrong, It's a little bit hard to put

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Speaker 2: But I also I don't put it all on him.

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Speaker 2: the one through the interception. But there's blame to go around,

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Speaker 2: I don't have like what went wrong? Why did Lamar

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Speaker 2: one thing. I think it's like a nuanced conversation about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think clearly Lamar had one of his tougher

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Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't his best game, and that happens.

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Speaker 2: Well, they were there. They were trying to climb out

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Speaker 2: Now the Ravens did climb out of that hole, and

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Speaker 1: And then we still had plenty of time.

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Speaker 2: Like what does that do psychologically? How does that affect

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a shootout, Like this is Mahomes

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Speaker 1: YEP. I think the Ravens early on in this game,

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Speaker 2: During pregame warmups, we all saw the thing with Kelsey

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Speaker 2: all that stuff, like you know, that stuff doesn't happen

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Speaker 1: This is from Tim Shade and Tim says after a

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Speaker 1: So the Ravens lost one of their longtime personnel people,

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Speaker 2: He's a great friend of lounge, great friend of the line.

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Speaker 2: I heard that Joe during his interview with the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: big pick. And he's just been massively influential director or

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Speaker 1: player personnel along with George kas So let's not forget

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Speaker 1: like the Ravens also as talented as Joe is and

436
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Speaker 1: will be, you know, with the Chargers in a great guy.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens have a lot of talented scouts and personnel

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Speaker 1: people still in this building. George kas is one. David BlackBerry,

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Speaker 1: you go on and on and on. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to start naming names because he lead people out, but

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Speaker 1: really happy for Joe, but also confident that the Ravens

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Speaker 1: have a pipeline of evaluators that they will still be

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Speaker 1: in very good, you know position with Yeah, I totally agree.

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Speaker 2: And then obviously on the coaching side again, as it

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Speaker 2: stands right now, Mike McDonald's done a second interview with

446
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Speaker 2: the Commanders, has interviewed with the Seahawks. We'll see where

447
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Speaker 2: that lands. Ben Johnson, who the Lion's offensive coordinator, who

448
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Speaker 2: a lot of people thought was going to get one

449
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Speaker 2: of these jobs. You know, he was probably at the

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Speaker 2: start of this thing and maybe the hottest name on

451
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Speaker 2: the assistant coaching front. Now he has decided to go

452
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Speaker 2: back to Detroit, so you know, it seems like Mike

453
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Speaker 2: could certainly end up getting one of those jobs.

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Speaker 1: Certainly increased the chances of Mike leaving.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it removed a very quality candidate from the pool.

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Speaker 2: And Anthony Weaver is a really quality candidate as well,

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Speaker 2: who's done multiple interviews with the commanders. So I don't

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Speaker 2: know where that will land. If they were to leave,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they would. They would also potentially ring coaches

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Speaker 2: with them, and the raven would have to replace them

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Speaker 2: on this staff. But you know, We'll save a lot

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Speaker 2: of that conversation for if that does happen. Yeah, But

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Speaker 2: I think that just from a big picture standpoint, the

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Speaker 2: league is looking at what the Ravens are doing. John

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Speaker 2: Harwall talked this year about how great the coaching staff was.

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Speaker 2: We did many times. I thought it was a tremendous

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Speaker 2: coaching staff on both sides of the ball. The league

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Speaker 2: has taken notice and they want some of the action.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think one thing that we can speak to

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Speaker 1: a little bit is if Mike does leave, I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of Ravens fans want to know, well, who

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Speaker 1: would the Ravens defensive coordinator be. Some of the logical

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Speaker 1: in house candidates think the Ravens would have Anthony Weaver

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Speaker 1: obviously if he doesn't get a head coaching job, would

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Speaker 1: be one of those candidates. You have Dinard Wilson, who

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Speaker 1: came over from the Eagles last year, spent one year

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Speaker 1: coaching the Ravens secondary and is held in very high regard.

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Speaker 1: Chris Hewitt, another Ravens coach in their secondary, has you know,

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Speaker 1: also been an excellent coach for a long time. So

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Speaker 1: there are in house Zachary orr Is taking a defensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator interview in Green Bay reportedly he would be another candidate.

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Speaker 1: So I think there's some great in house candidates and

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Speaker 1: that's generally how the Ravens have operated from a defensive standpoint,

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Speaker 1: as it's kind of been, there's been a pipeline. Mike

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Speaker 1: McDonald was in it before he went to Michigan, and

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Speaker 1: so I would think that those guys would certainly get consideration.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I like that they all worked closely

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Speaker 1: with Mike, and I think that the Ravens would be

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Speaker 1: in a good position to continue the great thing they've

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Speaker 1: they've had on defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, the Ravens have done a great job, and

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Speaker 2: while John Harmer's been here, I think of generally hiring

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Speaker 2: coaches and also having great defenses. Ye, I mean like

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Speaker 2: when Mike was hired, you know, I think we had

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Speaker 2: a lot of confidence in Mike. But it's not like

496
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Speaker 2: everyone was lauding him. It's like this was the home

497
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Speaker 2: run Higher and this guy's gonna be a hot name

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Speaker 2: of the head coaching circle in two years. That was

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Speaker 2: not the conversation at the time. It was like, this

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Speaker 2: is a guy who's one year coordinator at Michigan, Young

501
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Speaker 2: Higher and you're moving on from Wake Martin Dale, Is

502
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Speaker 2: this the right move? All that stuff?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: So I have a ton of confidence in John Harball's

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Speaker 2: ability to hire really good coaches and this defense of

506
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Speaker 2: Baltimore has been great for forever and I think it

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Speaker 2: will continue to be great. But all that said, maybe

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Speaker 2: Mike is back here and I would love that as well.

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Speaker 2: That'd be great, So, you know, we'll see where that lands.

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Speaker 2: The last point is, you know, just we did talk

511
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Speaker 2: to players on Monday as they cleaned out their lockers,

512
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Speaker 2: which is always a somber day. They got the big

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Speaker 2: giant trash bags throwing everything in there. It's it's a

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Speaker 2: depressing day, Okay. You know, I think that the takeaway

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Speaker 2: from me and hearing from players, I do believe, like

516
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Speaker 2: we said at the outset, that they felt like there

517
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Speaker 2: was unfinished business and it was a missed opportunity knowing

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Speaker 2: how great this team was.

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Speaker 1: Button is that?

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Speaker 2: And I also do feel like, you know, for the

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Speaker 2: young players in particular Kyle Hamilton being the one that

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Speaker 2: stands out, that they feel really good about the core

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Speaker 2: that is in place here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely that was also notable, you know, and again

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Speaker 1: not a surprise, just how many players had Lamar's back

526
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Speaker 1: and saying, you know, when you have Lamar Jackson, you

527
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Speaker 1: feel good about your future. As long as we got

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Speaker 1: that guy, we're gonna be good. Yeah, and I share

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Speaker 1: in that belief. You know, countless players talking about that.

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Speaker 1: The other one is you always want to hear from

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Speaker 1: the free agents, the pending free agents, and what they

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Speaker 1: have to say. You know, Patrick Queen, I think it's

533
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Speaker 1: pretty clear, and he made it pretty clear. He's you know,

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Speaker 1: I would love to be back, but I got to

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Speaker 1: do it's best for me and for my family. And

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Speaker 1: I certainly think that he's going to get a big

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Speaker 1: contract offer from somebody. Eric Coasa told us on This

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Speaker 1: This Very podcast that he wanted to once to extend

539
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Speaker 1: Patrick Creene. He said that in May, Well, I have

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Speaker 1: to imagine the price has gone up since then. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: go to a Pro Bowl, so ken the Ravens still

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Speaker 1: afforded at the new price. I don't know about that. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll have to see. I think Patrick Queen would certainly listen,

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Speaker 1: but uh, he's gonna he's gonna get what he can get.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, and and don't blame them. Yeah. And then

546
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Speaker 2: for the veteran players like Kyle van Noy jadeveon Clowney,

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Speaker 2: I think that. I mean, those are guys that signed late.

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Speaker 2: So the vibe I got and talking to them is

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Speaker 2: that like that could be that they might go through

550
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Speaker 2: a similar process. I don't think that they're like necessarily

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Speaker 2: looking to get a deal done before free agency opens

552
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Speaker 2: some March.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think Clowney legitimately would really like

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Speaker 1: to be back. I think it was a good fit

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Speaker 1: for him here. I think he really liked playing here.

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Speaker 1: I also Kevin Zeitler, if you're talking about guys who

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Speaker 1: definitely want to be back, Yeah, he made it pretty

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Speaker 1: darn clear. He's like, let's go sit down right now

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Speaker 1: and have her just get this done. That was pretty

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Speaker 1: darn clear. And then the other another big one that

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Speaker 1: we talked to was Geno Stone. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: Gino is in a difficult situation because with Marcus Williams

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Speaker 1: and Kyle Hamilton in place here, he's, you know, you'd

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Speaker 1: not be a full time starter here. He played a

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Speaker 1: key role still, but not a full time starter. After

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Speaker 1: leading the AF interceptions, you would think that he's looking

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Speaker 1: to become a starter somewhere. If somebody, if the rest

568
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Speaker 1: of the league sees it. It's a breakout season that

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Speaker 1: I see it as, and Geno Stone sees it as

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Speaker 1: and is ready to pay him and make him their starter,

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Speaker 1: making their guy. I would think Geno Sam would take

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Speaker 1: that opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also think that he made the point.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I kind of want to see what my

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Speaker 2: market value is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's going to see exactly, like how

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Speaker 1: much for the seven interceptions didn't earn him a Pro Bowl?

578
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Speaker 1: Is it going to earn a big contract from another

579
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Speaker 1: team or or what size contract? What kind of deal

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Speaker 1: does that earn him? You know, and it goes beyond

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Speaker 1: the interceptions. He's just a good player all around. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But like does the league view that it's kind of

583
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Speaker 1: fluky or do they say, nah, this guy's got it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the question. Yeah, he's proven that

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Speaker 2: he can be a starter, and I'm also curious to

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Speaker 2: see what his Yeah, his market value is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think everybody is kind of curious.

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Speaker 2: It's really hard for me to peg that one down. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a different situation. And compared

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Speaker 2: to like a Patrick Queen, who you feel like, is

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Speaker 2: you know, definitely going to get kind of top market

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Speaker 2: value for a linebacker.

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Speaker 1: So we did not hear from Justin Matta b K.

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Speaker 1: He would be the ravens other really big free agent.

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Speaker 1: I feel like just gut feeling like that's the guy

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Speaker 1: the Ravens are going to pursue pretty hard aggressively to

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Speaker 1: sign to a contract extension. We'll see if they can

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Speaker 1: make it happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we'll talk all about a lot of this

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Speaker 2: next week. We're gonna kind of go through our blueprint

601
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Speaker 2: of what this offense or what this offseason could look

602
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Speaker 2: like and discuss some of these questions in more detail.

603
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Speaker 2: And as we've already seen in the forty eight hours

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Speaker 2: since the season ended, there's a lot of news happening,

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Speaker 2: So that will likely continue over the course of the

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Speaker 2: next week or two. We have guys out of the

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Speaker 2: Pro Bowl. The NFL Honors are next.

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Speaker 1: Week, where Senior Bowl's going on as we speak.

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Speaker 2: Senior Bowls going on as we speak. NFL Honors are

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Speaker 2: next week where Lamar Jackson will likely get a second MVP,

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Speaker 2: and then there's a game on Sunday, but I don't

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Speaker 2: know what game you're so we I'm probably gonna skip that, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And don't worry about watching that. I don't know what game,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, it's gonna be the whiffleball game, and I'm

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Speaker 2: watching into the parks during that middle of the day.

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Speaker 2: But as always, we appreciate your emails. Send us a

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Speaker 2: note at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to be back with you next week