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Make sure to listen to the Black 19 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: of Presents podcasts on I Heart Radio, Apple Podcasts, or 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts M five four three two 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: one A. Welcome to Money Making Conversations. I am your 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: host with Sean McDonald. I say this every week. It's 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 1: time to stop reading other people's success stories and start 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: writing your own. Were always talking about gifts passions. If 25 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: you have a gift, lead with your gift. You know 26 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: just your age, friends, family or cowork can stop you 27 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: from planning or living your dreams. My interviews on money 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: Making Conversations with celebrity CEOs and entrepreneurs. My next guest 29 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: is uh. I'm gonna call him a good friend because 30 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: off airman we've been laughing and talk about food. Pastor 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: Mike McClure Jr. He's the senior pastor Rock City Church 32 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: in Birmingham, Alabama. As an artist, Pastor Bike has garnered 33 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: three Stellar Awards, most notably Artists of the Year. Don't 34 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: sleep on that that Autists of the Year at Stellar Awards. 35 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: His crossover single I was number one on Gospel radio 36 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: and four weeks CONSECUTI twenty three weeks on R and 37 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: B charts. Pastor Mike will be Closing Ceremony Performer. Closing 38 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 1: Ceremony Performer along with other national acts for the World 39 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: Games twenty two in Birmingham. Y'all. See how didn't know that? 40 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: That's why I got on the show. I didn't even 41 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: know that. The World Games is an international sports event 42 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: held every four years in the same year following each 43 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: Summer Olympic Games stage over eleven days. The game represents 44 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: the pinnacle of competition for thirty or six hundred of 45 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: the world's best athletes in thirty different unique sports. The 46 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: World grads World Games generates worldwide exposure. But also we're 47 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: here talking about the world are exposed to, Pastor Mack 48 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: generate down there in Birmingham. See people, everybody try to 49 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: push you your big city. Gotta go to l A, 50 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: gott to go to New York, I gotta go to Chicago. 51 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: Now everybody tends to go to Atlanta. He two hours 52 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: down the road from Atlanta and turning it up. Come on, 53 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: he's got not building his dream. And that's what this 54 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: show is about. Building your dream. Please work with the 55 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: money making conversation, Pastor Mike clud Junior, big bro. I 56 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: am so excited to be here, and I know I 57 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: love how you said that everybody always tries to push 58 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: you to Atlanta to l A to Nashville. I'm a 59 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: firm believer that you should bloom where your planet. And 60 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: we're winning right here from Birmingham, Alabama. So I'm excited 61 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: to be here and hopefully I get my pitch on 62 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: that wall. Really see. First of all, we got a 63 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: long interview because we gonna laugh about some stuff. Because 64 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: I want to point some things out to some people 65 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: about that. You know, if you don't have a talent 66 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: or a gift, I don't care where you move, Nobody's 67 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: gonna recognize it or appreciate that. I remember when I 68 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: when I did stand up comment I'm based out of Houston, Texas. 69 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: That's from born in raised, Houston, Texas. I moved to 70 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: New York and then I moved to l A. I does, 71 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: I was doing television everything. Then all this when I 72 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: was in the l A pastor Mike, I decided, you 73 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: know something, I'm gonna go back to Houston and I'm 74 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: gonna become the biggest star I could be. And I 75 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: did over the comment club just blew up and guess 76 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: what I got, uh, I got cast and Jason's lyrics, 77 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: and then I got broke back by Steve Harvey to 78 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: write on his first sitcom, ABC is Me and the Board. 79 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: So by moving back to Houston, what people said I 80 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: would not become a star, I went there became a 81 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: star and guess what, people moved came and got me. 82 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: They got me for they saw my talent. So sometimes 83 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: understanding what you're trying to do in life and that 84 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: you know necessarily have to move to a chief success. 85 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: But you have to have to have a plan. And 86 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: that's what's why you're successful in Birmingham because you have 87 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: a plan. Pastor Mike, let's talk about that absolutely, man. 88 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: I believe planning is absolutely critical. You know, um, what's 89 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: so incredible even when you look biblically, God says, uh, 90 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: let there be light, and there was. Let there be 91 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: flying things and there was. Before he put a steward 92 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: in place, he had a plan. He says, I cannot 93 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: put man in place if he has no assignment. And 94 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm with you, man. So many people were telling me, man, 95 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: you need to go that lant, he need to go 96 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: to l A. I had a plan. I had a strategy, 97 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: and I believe first things you have to understand is 98 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: what is your unique a sign? Because what this is 99 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: what I discovered I don't want to go to church. 100 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: But favor isn't always geographical. Just because you're special in Birmingham. 101 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: If I go to Atlanta, there are a million pastor 102 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: Mike Jullius. So you have to win where you are man. 103 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: So I'm excited about that, and I really believe that 104 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: the best is yet to come. When I was talking 105 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: to my board, to Todd Delaney, I call him, I 106 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: call him to church out law because I tell him 107 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: this be himself, you know, because so many people try 108 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: to give a definition of what the Bible is, what churches? 109 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: Why are you supposed to go to church? Churches where 110 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: your belief if your beliefs or one hundred, it's where 111 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: you want, where you want to worship. Church plays an 112 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: important role in that, but important and and and being 113 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: that you have been your congregations have been huge past 114 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: to mine and said and so. But you didn't just 115 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: get there overnight. When did you realize what you would 116 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: do on your sermon? Your message was starting to be 117 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: related to buy not just a few, you for thousands. 118 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: I think the first thing we have to understand is 119 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: that when people are trying to be successful, the first 120 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: thing you have to understand is the origin of success. 121 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: Since I was a kid, people have been telling me 122 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: there's something different about you. So for me, it was 123 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: singing solos with my father. I had the largest youth 124 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: ministry in the state of Alabama. You know. I was 125 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 1: drawing seven, eight, nine hundred young people on a Monday 126 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: night in my dad's church for youth church. You know. 127 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: So when we started the church at twenty five, I 128 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: held a spaghetti dinner downstairs in my dad's basement. I 129 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: held I invited about fifty or sixty people down and 130 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: I shared my vision. We raised about twelve thousand dollars 131 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: that night. I paid my rent up for six months. 132 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: I bought my sound equipment with the other half, and 133 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: we said, let's see God. I knew we had something 134 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: special when people just started coming out of nowhere. If 135 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: I give you the fast forward version, because we don't 136 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: have all day, I know that two thousand nine, I'm 137 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: gonna say ten people show up, two thousand ten close 138 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: to a thousand. Two thousand eleven is over six thousand 139 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: people in about l to the point where the fire 140 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: marshal is stopping letting It has to stop letting people in, 141 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: and that's when they hit me. I said, man, we're 142 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: doing something special. And I believe so many times, uh 143 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: we miss on being who God called us to be 144 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: because we've been on doing what we want to be. 145 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: That's why I tell everybody church is absolutely vital, like 146 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: you saying, man, it's absolutely vital fire development, but your 147 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: relationship with God is more important. And sadly people limit 148 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: their relationship with God on where they go physically. That 149 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: I believe that if your relationship with God is tight, 150 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: we learned during the pandemic, I can have church where 151 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: everybody am absolutely and and and church has always been 152 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: the forefront of to a lot of people for crisis. 153 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: You know that, you know that, you know, like they 154 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: always say, you know when you you can't find God 155 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: when you're doing good, when we're doing bad, you find 156 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: them all the time. That it's that classic car, Hallmark car, 157 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: when you know when you're you're walking and doing the doing, 158 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: the doing, the uh doing during the time you see 159 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: two ft and four foot prints and then you see 160 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: two for prints when you know when you when you're 161 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: doing bad. And they said, when I'm doing bad, I 162 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: don't see two prints. He said, I'm carrying you. I'm 163 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: caring you through those hard times. And that's what really 164 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: what you're doing with your life in Birmingham. You're carrying people. 165 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: But the pandemic was a hard time for a lot 166 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: of people. Just and guess what, it ain't over with right, 167 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: it has been is germinated to a delta variant. Now, 168 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: So how do you deal with your congregation because the 169 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, church doors were shuttered and you couldn't go 170 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: in there. It was mandated nationally. How did you and 171 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: how are you dealing with that whole safety of the 172 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: congregation versus generating the Word of God to your same congregation. Well, 173 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,359 Speaker 1: we were the first church in the state of Alabama 174 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: to close our doors before it was a mandate. Um 175 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: the Wednesday before everything broke loose, the Holy Spirit let 176 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: on my heart, Michael, get ahead of this thing. I 177 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: shut my doors, and of course passes and churches begin 178 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,599 Speaker 1: to ridicule me because they said this boy don't have 179 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: any faith. I believe there's a thing in linement between 180 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: faith and foolishness, and sometimes foolishness puts on faith's close. 181 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: If you're not careful, you will call something faith that's 182 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: really foolish. And in my heart I felt the need 183 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: to just kind of get ahead of it. So during 184 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: this pandemic, I want to say this and I want 185 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: to be as sensitive as possible and the words of 186 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: that beautiful author. It was the best of times, but 187 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: it was also the worst of times. We lost lives. 188 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: Things were difficult. But in the midst of a pandemic, um, 189 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: God bless me to have two number one songs big 190 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: when number one staying on the chart for ten weeks. 191 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: The second year I got it, went on the charts, 192 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: sent on the charts for four weeks, I won five 193 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: Stello Awards. And a pandemic, we had over six thousand 194 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: people give their life to Christ virtually during a pandemic. 195 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: So during the pandemic, I thought it was a national, 196 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: nationwide reset. It cast everybody to re examine what was important, 197 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: who was important? Have I gotten better or have I 198 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: gotten worse? So we are still virtual. Although so many 199 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: people are saying, man, come back, open the doors. Open 200 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: the doors asked for me because thousands of people come 201 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: to our church. I just feel the need to be responsible, 202 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, and say, hey, although you guys want to 203 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: come back, let's just be patient. Let's see what's happening 204 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: with the delta variant and the moment I said a 205 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: return date, Lo and behold, Alabama had led the way 206 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: the number one place in the country where we had 207 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: ran out of hospital beds. We had ran out of 208 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: uh I see you units. So I just think it's 209 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: all about being responsible and not being dogmatic about my 210 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: approach to church. I think that's where we're separating. The 211 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: methodology of everybody is different. 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Well, let's let's 251 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: talk about we talk about philosophies when we're talking about 252 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: watching you do your thing, because we got a lot 253 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: of talk about you know you throughout our got it. 254 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: We talked about we talking about the World Games. But 255 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: first of all, I just want to talk about you 256 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: and the whole principle of understanding your truths because I, 257 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: you know, I would tell people it wasn't still. I 258 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: was in my forties that I figured it out for 259 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald past the mine, and so a lot of 260 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: people shy away from that. When they hit a certain number, 261 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: they think that that's it. And I tell people, you 262 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: can figure it out at fifty, you can figured out 263 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: the sixty, but try to figure it out before you leave, okay. 264 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: And so when when I look at what you're doing 265 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: with your church and with people coming at you, what 266 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: is the most uh? Because because you said something about 267 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: the pandemic and you said, Rachane, I want to be insensitive, 268 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: but I reset myself doing the pandemic, right, I felt 269 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: that I kind of caught up with my competition during 270 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: the pandemic. And my staff would tell you I was 271 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: planning when I came out of because I do a 272 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: lot of live events, So I was planning to win 273 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: as soon as you gave me the go and so 274 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: so do I ever consider that in instance, because what 275 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: people learned about panthemic is that there are no handouts. 276 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: And guess what. It put a lot of people equal. 277 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: It told a lot of people who were successful they 278 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: became frustrated because they didn't have a plan, and made 279 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: restaurants realize that carry out is the way to go. 280 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: It made black people understand the value of technology. Him again, 281 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: black people. Black people understood the value of technology even 282 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: though it was resisting it. Even older generations understood the 283 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: value of technology instead of dog and out millennials. And 284 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: so it really leveled a lot of thought processes. And 285 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: so when you when you come around as to what 286 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: you're doing. When I was reading your bio, you gave 287 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: ut you gave out some free music there. Now you 288 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: you dropped the free CD, and I'm going like, okay, panific, 289 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: was that good to you? Come on out? And I believe. 290 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: I believe. And since we're talking money making conversations, I trained. 291 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: I have about dred people that I teach monthly on 292 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: entrepreneur and creativity and what I'm trying to get them 293 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: to realize sometimes as African Americans, so many times everything 294 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: about what we do business wise and entrepreneurially is about 295 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: paying the next bill, not setting ourself up for legacy. 296 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: You know, I told my class the other day, I said, man, 297 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: if you've got a long company, I'll tell you what. 298 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: Go knock on two doors and tell them, hey, I 299 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: want to be a blessing and cut these two yards 300 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: for free. And I guarantee the person across street gonna 301 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: ask who did that. That's called free marketing. So for me, 302 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: giving away free music was my opportunity to say, hey, guys, 303 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: here's the chance to believe in me. And the response 304 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: was crazy. Man. I believe people don't care how much 305 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: you know until they know how much you care. And 306 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: the pandemic exposed a lot. You know, I believe. I 307 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: believe I was born in one year, I'll die in 308 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: another year. It's the dash in the middle of that matters. 309 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: And if I can give you a listen to something 310 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: that special. Life isn't about duration, It's about donation. I'm 311 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: gonna say that again. It's not about duration. It's about donation. 312 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: It's not about how long you live, but how strong 313 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: you live. You know, everybody has length, nobody has strength. 314 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:06,239 Speaker 1: So what the pandemic was, it's it broadened your perspective 315 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: on your impact and your influence. You do amazing live shows, 316 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, and there would be some trepidation. I wanted 317 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: if it would be the same way it translate virtually, 318 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: and here we are now virtually. And what's crazy is 319 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: you took a corner of the room, and if they 320 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: look at the corner of the room, they went to 321 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: the shot that they have on your If your team 322 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: would go to the camera shot now where you're sitting 323 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: there and they can see me behind you on the 324 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: screens you have four TVs, five TVs and the shot 325 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: you have some picture frames. You turned a corner into 326 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: a live set that can compete with every talk show 327 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: in America right there from your spot. That's being creative. 328 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: And I believe what we have to do is African Americans, 329 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: especially when resources oftentimes don't float down. There was Malcolm 330 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: X who said, when America catches a cold, black America 331 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: gets pneumonia. So a lot of times, when America gets creativity, 332 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: Black America is off in twenty years behind the spectrum. 333 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: And I believe what this pandemic has done for us, 334 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: it's given us the ability to be creative, because if 335 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: we ain't nothing else as Black people were creative. Oh 336 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: my god, you give us a little, you give us 337 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: the end of a pig, We're turning into chitlands. And 338 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: everything you give us scraps, we're turning into soul foods. 339 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: Because I believe in I in DNA, we are creative. 340 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: So to me, man, I always say, I don't want 341 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: to be insensitive because I want to be mindful that 342 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: people lost loved ones during the pandemic. I had to 343 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: do virtual funerals during a pandemic. So while yes, many 344 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: of us were winning, a lot of people were losing. 345 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: But I believe it's finding a way to um embrace 346 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: the wholeness of what we all went through. Man, you 347 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 1: and I. Man, we're gonna do some live events together. 348 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: Because seriously passed somebody. I see, I see the Mercedes Beans. 349 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: I received that. Let's go all seventy thousand, seventy thousand 350 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: I received, Kim. I'm just being real about you know, 351 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: because I'm coming to Alabama September e level for my 352 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: HBCU College Day tour. You know from tennis six, you know, 353 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: I got the US Air Force, air Force Reserve, and 354 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: National Guard. I got the National Football League, I got 355 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: Coca Cola Bottles United, all of coming I got, I got, 356 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: I got fourteen h b c us. It's a career fair, 357 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: it's a job fair, and it's a college fair for 358 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: HBCUs all free. See. That's why I know we're going 359 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: to connect. And so so I'm like, I just got 360 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: to bring it up because of the fact I'm here 361 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: in your tone, and it's about giving back. It's about 362 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: you know, holding an opportunity for the next man or 363 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: the next woman. And that's what my college first, that's 364 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: what it's all about. In my city, we gave away 365 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: one point three million dollars worth of medical debt relief. 366 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: So I paid off one one point three million dollars 367 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: worth the medical bills for every person in our city 368 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: who was struggling with pass through medical bills. We've given 369 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: away over sixty dollars worth of free gas, bought multiple homes, cars, everything, 370 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: and everybody says, why are you doing this? I remember, see, 371 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: I made God a promise. If we was live, the 372 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: whole stadium will be going crazy now because I made 373 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: God a promise. Sitting on the curve in the hood 374 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: when I said we used to play a game called bingo. 375 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: You remember that car with Rod, But I said, Bengo, 376 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: that's my car. I made God a promise if you 377 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: ever gave me an opportunity, I would be a blessing. 378 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: And I believe from the depths of my soul. People 379 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: don't care how much you know until they know how 380 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: much you care and for me. Giving back is what 381 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: we do and for and for you. You can see 382 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: it all over you this college, to a different things 383 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: you've been doing. They don't realize this, even writing, helping 384 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: with Steve Harvey and all the different things you've done. 385 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: That's giving of your intellectual property. That that that that's 386 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: what I call a residual blessing that I was sitting 387 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: at home laughing at a joke or laughing at a 388 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: show that I had no idea. You had your hand 389 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: and you heal people through somebody. So I'm ellen you, man, 390 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: I believe, and I'm gonna stop talking when I say this. 391 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: I believe as black black Americans, I believe this, man, 392 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: our culture would go to another level if we embrace 393 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: collaboration versus competition, collaboration versus competition. I main this. I 394 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: could be Somebody hit me the other day that was like, man, 395 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: your music career is taken off. I struck a partnership 396 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: with this company called Black Smoke Carrie Douglas, and I said, 397 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna be partners in this. And it was like, well, man, 398 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: be careful, don't give away too much. I looked him 399 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: in his eyes and said, brother, this is what we're 400 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: gonna do. Whatever I make, we're gonna make fifty off 401 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: of it. I said, this is why I can make 402 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: a hundred percent of ten dollars or of a hundred 403 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, because collaboration is the new thing. Think about this. 404 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: When God made the world, he said I could do 405 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: the birds I can do the trees, I can do 406 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: the monkeys, I can do the water, I can do 407 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: the sea. But when it came to the one thing 408 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: that could generate revenue and produce, which was man, he said, 409 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: let us that's collaboration, big bro, and I believe money 410 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: making conversations. Tip Number one from pastor Mike Jr. Is 411 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: solidify your team. Yep, solidify your team. When it comes 412 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: to my team, I need attendance. I need allegiance, I 413 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: need agregient. I need an attendance of agreement. I need allegiance, 414 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: and I need accountability. If you can give me them, 415 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: for we can shake the world. Man, Hi, I'm fall 416 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: from Progressive. Being a baseball fanetic like me can be stressful. 417 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: It's not all sports points and touchdowns. So Progressive is 418 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: gonna help you take your mind off your team for 419 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: a moment. Instead of thinking about how they missed that 420 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: goal points score, think about the name your Price tool 421 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: from Progressive, letting you choose coverage options based on your budget, 422 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: unlike your team that missed the end zone net area. 423 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: Well anyway, tho, this distraction about progressives Name your Price 424 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: toool is helpful. It sure kept me from thinking about 425 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: all those penalty balls sports Progressivefencialty in terms company and 426 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: actially its prison covered match on the divice need law. 427 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: And we're live here outside the Perez family home, just 428 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: waiting for the And there they go, almost on time. 429 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: This morning. Mom is coming off the front door, strong 430 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: with a double arm kid carry. Looks like Dad has 431 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: the bags. Daughter is bringing up the rear. Oh but 432 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: the diaper bag wasn't closed. Diapers and toys are everywhere. 433 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: Oh but mom has just nailed the perfect car seat 434 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 1: buckle for the toddler. And now the eldest daughter, who 435 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: looks to be about nine or ten, has secured herself 436 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: in the booster seat. Dad SIPs the bag clothes and 437 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: they're off. But looks like Mom doesn't realize her coffee 438 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: cup is still on the roof of the car. And 439 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: there it goes. Oh, that's a shame that mug was 440 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: a fan favorite. Don't sweat the small stuff. Just nailed 441 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: the big stuff, like making sure your kids are buckled 442 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: correctly in the right seat for their agent's eyes. 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Visit adopt us 452 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: Kids dot org, slash podcasts, or subscribe to Navigating Adoption 453 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: presented by adopt Us Kids, brought to you by the 454 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: U S Department of Health and Human Services, Administration for 455 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: Children and Families and the Council. Absolutely and agree with 456 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: you because you know poor things. Two things the point about, 457 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: like this whole set up. A lot of people question, Okay, 458 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: why are you gonna do it that way? Because sometimes 459 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: you have to look past people who want to understand 460 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: your vision and don't see the file results. That's okay, 461 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: But I had to have a team to create this 462 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: kind to bring them in what you think and trust them. 463 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: That makes sense. That makes sense. That makes sense because 464 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: just because you write the check don't mean that you 465 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: have to be there with making all the file of 466 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: decisions because sometimes somebody can see something different and make 467 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: your check be better and your value a lie greater. 468 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: Then in October night, I was I was sitting in 469 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: the world I would have because I got a lot 470 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: of talents, pastor Mike. And this is what runs into 471 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people. They go, man, your talent, what 472 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna do? I told God this man, I said, 473 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: God listening, if you allow me to utilize my talents, 474 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: and I will give you max effort, max effort and 475 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: all my talents. I said, I give you max effort. 476 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: I stopped. You know, I'm not a rapper, I'm not 477 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: an athlete. I stopped trying to play basketball. I stopped 478 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: trying to act like I could say, Okay, our writing, producing, 479 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Branding, marketing, That's what I 480 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: focused on. I stopped trying to act, and then I 481 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: walked away from stand up comedy. I said, you know something, 482 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: this ain't what I do. I focused on what I do. 483 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: And that's what a lot of people make a mistake on. 484 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: They get caught up in the dream, but not the results. 485 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: Is that dream of reality. And so in eighteen Naty, 486 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: I said, guard, you give me Mac, I'm gonna give 487 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: you max effort. And he said, look here, you give 488 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: me max effort. You can accomplish your dreams and that's 489 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: through hard work, as to relationships, and through accomplishing things 490 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: that you're not supposed to. And that's what you're doing 491 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: your life today. That's why I love your energy because 492 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: of the fact that we are different age groups, we're 493 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: living in different cities, but one thing we do share 494 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: in common, faith and hard work and relationships. Yeah, absolutely, 495 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: relationships to everything. And I want to free somebody right 496 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: now because you touched on something that I think we 497 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: have to kill, debunk and demystify in our culture. And 498 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: that's this uh, that's this punishment of being talented in 499 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: multiple areas with there's a there's a remnant of people. 500 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: I used to say a generation, but that limits us 501 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: to age group. I want to say a remnant. There's 502 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: a remnant or a tribe of people that are rising, 503 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: who are who have an ambidextrious anointing. They're blessed in 504 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: both hands. They can write and sing or produce and create, 505 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: you know. And there's a quote that we say that 506 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: we say wrong. It says to be a jack of 507 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: all trades is to be a master of none. That's 508 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: an incomplete statement, because the original quote is to be 509 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: a jack of all trades is to be a master 510 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: of none, but to be better than that which has won, 511 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: which means I may be able to do a lot 512 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: of stuff, and I may not master everything, but I'm 513 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: better at what I do than the people who think 514 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: they mastered it. And so for you, you said something 515 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: that was critical. And I was talking to somebody yesterday 516 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: and they was like, man, seeing you do all this 517 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: stuff has to be so mind blown. I said, I 518 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: want you to succeed. It's a guy who's close to me. 519 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: I said, I want you to succeed in music the 520 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: same way I'm succeeded. But at some point you gotta 521 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: stop and say, God got his hand on this. You 522 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'd like to to go. They 523 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: told me no other artists in the history of gospel 524 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: music has ever went from New Artists of the Year 525 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: their first year two Artists of the Year their second year. 526 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: You can't write that script. That's God. You know, there 527 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: is no um there. I tell everybody. When you look 528 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: at Joelos things with fifty thou people pre pandemic in 529 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: an arena. There is no fifty thousand in person sermon. 530 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: Or you look at Steve Harvey, there is no uh, 531 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: twenty thousand seat arena joke. Yes, at some point, God 532 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: just blesses it, you know. And I think what we 533 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: got to stop, as black people and not just people 534 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: in general, we tend to we tend to downplay the 535 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: writer and celebrate the speaker. Yes, so a lot of 536 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: us are fallen in love with artists who didn't even 537 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: write the song. They just sunk it and don't even 538 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: realize the artists broke and the person who wrote it 539 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: living in a mansions of copy right and ownership, you know. 540 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: And I said, you know, you might not recognize me, 541 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: because we recognized recognize. We may not recognize you. But 542 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: when a Negro ship with a shiny ball head, five 543 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: TV screens, a microphone and a smart water with a 544 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: basketball and gross right there, man, I got it, I 545 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: got it, got it? Okay, Artists of the Year, that's 546 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: the mine we stelling performing in the closing games of 547 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: the World Games of twenty two all Like I just 548 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: say this, those honors were for twenty twenty one, when 549 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: a lot of people feeling sorry for themselves. A lot 550 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: of people were complaining about life. He was accomplishing those 551 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: tasks in twenty to be ardored in one. And so 552 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: I say that before we go over to the World 553 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: Game conversations is this it's when is always oppl ta 554 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: you the man. I remember when I was sending Hall 555 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: and I was writing his sitcom and it got canceled 556 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: and I want one of my best suits into the building. 557 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: The guy said, man, why are you all dressed up? 558 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: I said, why shouldn't I be? I said, it's not 559 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: a sad day for me. And so a lot of 560 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: people take sadness. I remember I did the eulogy for 561 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: my mom and my dad, you know what I'm saying. 562 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: And I did that because of the fact I wanted 563 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: to make sure that the message of how great they 564 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: were and how important they worked for me and my 565 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: family was told. I was told. And so I look 566 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: at you. The World Games two that didn't come about 567 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: based on something you did last year. That was just 568 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: like you were saying. Joel Osten used to write, I 569 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: used to write the uh the sermons for his dad. 570 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: That's want to preach. He don't want to preach. He 571 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: started writing, and when your dad suddenly passed away, he 572 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: was pushed to the forefront and is ready. Steve Harvey 573 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: didn't he didn't want to do family few. That wasn't 574 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: his option because he want to be a traffic cop. 575 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: And they turned them and made him the greatest star 576 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: on television in America today. Then I look at you 577 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: World Games when part of your journey. But guess what 578 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: when the opportunity to present itself, you didn't run from us. 579 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: Tell us about the World Game, tell about your role 580 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: in it past, Mike, and let's keep talking. I'm so 581 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: excited about the World Games. They come around every four 582 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: years after the Summer Games. Man, I'm telling you it 583 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: is so and I want to read this to you 584 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: because I want to make sure I get this right. 585 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: I want you to catch it. There are six categories 586 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: of sports competition. Man, I'm telling you what's so incredible 587 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: about the World Games is all the people that come 588 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: from across the world. Over thirty six hundred athletes will 589 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: come will converge on Birmingham, Alabama, from air sports to archery, 590 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: two billers to gymnastics. This was so important to me 591 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: because I have four boys. My top three boys played football. 592 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: They're starting on the football team. My third son, my 593 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: middle son, Michael, is um is on the spectrum of autism. 594 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: He has Asperger syndrome. So a lot of times in 595 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: the African American community where we speak, sports is either 596 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: football or basketball, football, basketball, music. I was able to 597 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: look at him. We have a pool table downstairs. He's 598 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: falling in love with pool, I said, Mike. Guess what. 599 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: He said, what Dad? You can get an Olympic medal 600 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: for billards. The World Games is so vital to our coach. 601 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, the entire world is coming to Birmingham, Alabama. 602 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: It's a new generation of sports. We get a chance 603 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: to witness history, a once in a lifetime event. Look 604 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: at this. I want to get this right. There will 605 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: be two hundred plus metal competitions at the World Games, 606 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: and many of the events are the Sports World Championship. 607 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: That's critical. Take, for instance, the female team USA baseball 608 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: softball team. They're competing now, but they will also be 609 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: competing at the World Games. It's such an honor into 610 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: somebody who's dreaming big right now. I never in my 611 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: life thought I would be a part of the World Games. 612 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: Here's what's crazy, big bro? If you catch this. They 613 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: asked me to perform on the close and ceremony of 614 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: the World Games and help with the opening ceremony of 615 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: the World Games. But before they ever asked me that, 616 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: they asked me to be an ambassador for the World Games. 617 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: And I want you to catch this. Not because of 618 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: the songs, I say, not because of the billboard chart placements, 619 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: not because of the Stellar Awards, but because I've been 620 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: spending the last twelve years in my city, loving people, 621 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: and I want to submit to somebody right now. You 622 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: are so busy trying to blow up that God will 623 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: oftentimes check your motives. Let me give you this lesson 624 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna let you go. Okay. Here it is, 625 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: God has two jobs. He either exalts or he humbles. 626 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna saying, either God exalts or he humbles. Make 627 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: that makes sense, pastor Mike. If you humble yourself, God 628 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: will exalt you. But if you exalt yourself, God will 629 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,239 Speaker 1: humble you. And one thing I love about what you're saying. Man, 630 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: with all that you've done, and I really feel I've 631 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: not just gained a friend or a big brother, but 632 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: I've gained a mentor and an advisor who I can 633 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: run some stuff by and say, no, young blood, chill 634 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: right there, because you give me something and I want 635 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: all your listeners to catch us. These are money making decisions. 636 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: You give me something I can't pay for with your speed, 637 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: if you're able to give me advice about everything you 638 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: learned in thirty years and thirty minutes, I just gained 639 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: the speed of moving at a pace that I normally 640 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: couldn't move back. So for me, man, like you said, 641 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: working with the World Game, that's such an honor. Shout 642 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: out to our Mayor randall Um what who was just realistic, 643 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: to the entire board, re elected to the entire board, 644 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: the entire committee, who's absolutely phenomenal. Birmingham, Alabama is being 645 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: put on a national stage and we will not disappoint. 646 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: From building a new stadium to upgrading uptown. Downtown is beautiful. 647 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: We're renovating all over the place. Go get your ticket 648 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: because this is going down at the World Game. We're 649 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: shutting it down fast. Mike Man. First of all, Man, 650 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: I gotta come cause we gotta do Dreamlands and we 651 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: gotta do right this guy. Okay, we're gonna go either way, 652 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna just go what we're gonna do. 653 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: What we got, another one I got, I got another 654 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: one and a place called your Mama. If you go 655 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: to your mom, it's gonna make you slap your mama faster. 656 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: Mike Man, thanks for coming on Money Make Conversations, Brother. 657 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate much. You're a blessing brother. 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