WEBVTT - Game Your Way to Fitness

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Forward Thinking. Hey everybody, and welcome to Forward Thinking, the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that looks at the future and says you better run, Run, Run,

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<v Speaker 1>Run Run. I'm Joe McCormick, I'm Lauren Vogelba, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Holly Fry. Holly is joining us today because our regular

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<v Speaker 1>host Jonathan Strickland is out on vacation. We're recording without him.

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<v Speaker 1>How dare he? How dare he? Um? So today we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk about the future of fitness. Yes, this

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<v Speaker 1>is partially why we have Holly joining us. She is

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<v Speaker 1>usually on um stuff you missed in history class, but

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<v Speaker 1>is also a little bit of a fitness enthusiast. I

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<v Speaker 1>would say accurate, accurate. I have a background in dance,

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<v Speaker 1>although I haven't done that in any sort of real

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<v Speaker 1>way in a long time, but I've alway had a

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<v Speaker 1>lifelong sort of interest in it, and I run regularly.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Am. I really like all the tech around fitness.

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<v Speaker 1>Just wait till we get to gadgets. Holly was a

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<v Speaker 1>great resource in writing the script of the video that

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast is accompanying, and so we figured we'd talked

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<v Speaker 1>today about some of the technical outlook for the future

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<v Speaker 1>of fitness, including games, gadgets, apps, little do Dads, James

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<v Speaker 1>Bond gadgets. Right, Yeah, because I mean, you know, basically,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, anyone can can do fitness by by moving um,

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<v Speaker 1>which is fairly fairly what most people, which is which

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<v Speaker 1>is fairly non technological um. But there are many, many,

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<v Speaker 1>many terrific advances and and yeah, so we want to

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<v Speaker 1>get into the gamification and the gadgets, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think first let's talk about UM. So, so exercises

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<v Speaker 1>actual facts good for us? Is this scientifically proven said

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<v Speaker 1>we don't actually need any of that? Was it was

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<v Speaker 1>you just lots of meat and you'll be okay, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's my least favorite website. That problem. No, Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>the medical science community is pretty united on this that

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<v Speaker 1>getting a good bit of exercise is really good for

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<v Speaker 1>you. You You don't probably really need to worry about getting

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<v Speaker 1>too much unless you're in some tiny percentile of people

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<v Speaker 1>that most of us don't fit into. Yeah, overtraining happens,

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<v Speaker 1>but the general public is not in a huge danger.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're barely getting enough right to talk about that. Minimals, minimals,

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<v Speaker 1>minimums that that professionals talk about well. The U S

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<v Speaker 1>Health Department UM recommends that you need to get for

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<v Speaker 1>a healthy adult. UM. Now, it's going to be different

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're a child or an elderly person, or if

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<v Speaker 1>you have a disability or something, but if you're able

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<v Speaker 1>and a healthy adult, they recommend a hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes per week of moderate intensity aerobic activity. So that

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<v Speaker 1>can be like just you know, walking, going hiking around

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<v Speaker 1>UM that that doesn't have to involve like really vigorous.

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<v Speaker 1>That you don't have to be sprinting or lifting fifty

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<v Speaker 1>pound weights. That's just getting your heart beating a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit faster than more than a stroll. I think sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>when you say walking, people think like the casual, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at things and windows. You walk toward lunch,

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<v Speaker 1>not like you walk away from It's a perfect way

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<v Speaker 1>to describe it, or like the Saturday night fever walk,

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<v Speaker 1>like like the good or like sometimes I pretend I'm

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<v Speaker 1>RuPaul and that really only sometimes Holly. Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>really good confidence boost. If you're feeling a little insecure,

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<v Speaker 1>pretend your RuPaul and my hand to God, everything gets better.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good strategy if you can imagine a good

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<v Speaker 1>house music. Beat your walk as you're going. You're probably

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<v Speaker 1>walking fast enough. You should be feeling it a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe breathing a little faster than usual. Maybe not able

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<v Speaker 1>to carry on a strict conversation. That's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>other indicators that they usually give out, like if you

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<v Speaker 1>can name really speak, not Able to gossip is one

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<v Speaker 1>that I was told. Once there you go, okay, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Now keep in mind that this is what they recommend

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<v Speaker 1>as the minimum for a healthy adult. It's not like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh wow, I got there, I'm done. Um, it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>good to get more exercise than this, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>what they say is the minimum for a healthy adult

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<v Speaker 1>to have good physical fitness. Or you can trade out

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<v Speaker 1>that hundred and fifty minutes every week of moderate intensity

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<v Speaker 1>aerobic activity with seventy five minutes of vigorous aerobic activity.

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<v Speaker 1>And this means like hard running or playing an intense sport,

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<v Speaker 1>something like high intensity interval training, although you should not

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<v Speaker 1>probably be doing that for seventy five minutes a week

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<v Speaker 1>for most people, certainly not straight. Yeah, that that would be. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>those tend to be shorter sessions, and you want to

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<v Speaker 1>space them out a little, right, that the interval part

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<v Speaker 1>means that you've space it out with less intense training.

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<v Speaker 1>They also recommend that you should do at least two

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<v Speaker 1>sessions of strength training per week, and so that just

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<v Speaker 1>means like resistance train in NG or lifting weights. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't specify how long you need to do this, just

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<v Speaker 1>enough basically I think to be making progress. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to hit all of your major muscle groups. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there are different bodies of thought on. Some trainers like

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<v Speaker 1>to do full exhaustion like on each part once a week,

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<v Speaker 1>really hard, and some like to balance that in those

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<v Speaker 1>two sessions you would hit kind of full body each time. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, basically you want to get to a point

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<v Speaker 1>where your muscles are challenged just past what they would

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<v Speaker 1>naturally be able to do, and that's how you develop

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<v Speaker 1>strength enough that it's hard. Yes, this is partially because

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<v Speaker 1>muscles burn energy when you're just sitting around, and when

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<v Speaker 1>they are stronger, when they're in better shape, they are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be burning more energy than they otherwise would.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's basically awesome. That's true. By um, by doing

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<v Speaker 1>more strength training, you actually I believe you increase your

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<v Speaker 1>base metabolic rate, is what you're saying. Um so it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're healthier even when you're not exercising. You've been lifting weights,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't just coast for a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to keep it going, right. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the staff that I've read, and I haven't confirmed this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that you lose something like ten percent

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<v Speaker 1>of your muscle strength for every month that you are

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<v Speaker 1>not as active as you otherwise were. Man, that's brutal. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>uh so, how many of us here in America are

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<v Speaker 1>achieving these goals set out by our National Health Department?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a statistic on that? Is it? Sad?

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<v Speaker 1>I do a Boston Globe article from April April um

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<v Speaker 1>and this is actually this part of the status better

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<v Speaker 1>than I would have guessed, but it's still not great.

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<v Speaker 1>It estimates that forty nine point seven percent of those

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed and study met or exceeded the guidelines UM for

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<v Speaker 1>aerobic activity in the first six months of two thou twelve. Okay, so,

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<v Speaker 1>but also I'm I believe I understand that the rates

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<v Speaker 1>have been going up a little bit since lately there's

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<v Speaker 1>been more of an awareness campaign nationally about us needing

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<v Speaker 1>to get so I think it's a little better than

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<v Speaker 1>it was a few years before. UM, I'm not positive

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<v Speaker 1>about that. We should check later. I'll try to put

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<v Speaker 1>something on social about whether or not relying to you

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Well, in any case, this part is true.

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<v Speaker 1>So about half of American adults surveyed. UM, we're meeting

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<v Speaker 1>or exceeding those aerobic guidelines so for the first six months,

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<v Speaker 1>for the first six months of two twelves. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>still gunning it through the New Year's resolutions. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if that makes a big difference. It might go

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<v Speaker 1>to a gym and January April, it's a very different space.

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<v Speaker 1>The y m c A my wife and I go to,

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<v Speaker 1>is unbearable in January. It's just packed, you can't get in.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, wait a couple of months and

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<v Speaker 1>then it's fine, there's nobody there. Pretty standard. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that's affecting the statistic here. Though, a less encouraging

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<v Speaker 1>statistic is apparently when you um, and this is adults

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<v Speaker 1>between the ages of twenty five and sixty four, when

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<v Speaker 1>you add in the combination of the aerobic activity and

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<v Speaker 1>the strength training recommendations, both of them at the same time. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>just twenty point seven of Americans. We're hitting them. I

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<v Speaker 1>have some theories about that, Yeah, I do. I would

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<v Speaker 1>say that a lot of women are not strength training

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<v Speaker 1>because they have been taught that are they think they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't even been taught. They just have this conception that

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<v Speaker 1>if they if they lift weights or otherwise he use

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<v Speaker 1>resistance training, that they are going to get crazy dude

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<v Speaker 1>muscles and that everything will be terrible. What's wrong with that?

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<v Speaker 1>A I think that Linda Hamilton's in Terminator two is

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<v Speaker 1>just about the prettiest lady ever on the planet. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and be should work like four hours a day just

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<v Speaker 1>to maintain those arms like this is not going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen to the average person turned over her mental institution

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<v Speaker 1>bed and do the chin ups on it right? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the actors did not, but the character, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she might have been a method actor. She

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<v Speaker 1>lived in an institution, working out all the time. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a fear among a lot of women that they're

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<v Speaker 1>somehow going to get really bulky and huge. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>then it's not the case that I mean, for for

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<v Speaker 1>most human people, that is certainly not the case. And

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's body type is different, of course, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can you can. There are exceptions to every rule,

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<v Speaker 1>but generally women do not have the testosterone in their

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<v Speaker 1>bodies to build muscle at a rate that demand would.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just the bottom line, right, So yeah, so uh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the benefits of regular exercise versus the

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<v Speaker 1>negative outcomes you might have if you don't get regular exercise.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the biggest things is that exercise helps

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<v Speaker 1>control weight UM. And this is interesting. I think some

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<v Speaker 1>people have a misconception that it's like, well, if you

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<v Speaker 1>ex size a lot, you're gonna be really skinny, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't, you're going to be really fat. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's not exactly like that. But what research seems to

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<v Speaker 1>show is no matter what your weight level is, exercise

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<v Speaker 1>seems to help you control it in that range UM

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<v Speaker 1>and also within UM whatever range you are. Exercise also

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<v Speaker 1>helps combat some of the negative effects of being overweight.

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<v Speaker 1>So like having um uh bad HDL versus LDL levels,

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<v Speaker 1>exercise helps control that in a very positive way. That

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<v Speaker 1>that is here, that is your good cholesterol in quotation

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<v Speaker 1>marks versus bad cholesterol. Right, Yeah, those the technical scientific names, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>extremely technical. Yes, I'm completely forgetting what know what those

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<v Speaker 1>things stand for they actually do always use those words.

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<v Speaker 1>I always see it. They put it in quotes like

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<v Speaker 1>just so they're like kind of giving it the side eye. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>good and bad. That's you know, it simplifies. It's also yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>crazy communication. It's making a sound bite moral judgment on cholesterol,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a little bit goofy evil cholesterol. Cholesterol. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also did want to put in, um that

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<v Speaker 1>weight in general is not your your best indicator by

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<v Speaker 1>far of how healthy you are, because muscle weighs more

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<v Speaker 1>than fat, and so, I mean, especially when you're first

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<v Speaker 1>starting to work out, you might not lose any weight

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<v Speaker 1>or even gain a little bit of weight. And wonder

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<v Speaker 1>you know why your scale is is telling you these terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>terrible things. And it's not it's not that you're I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, exercising will make you more healthy. As I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure Joe is about to explain, weight is just not

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<v Speaker 1>the best indicator, right, Um yeah, so uh. It also

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<v Speaker 1>basically correlates to a lot of conditions, especially that we

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<v Speaker 1>encounter in older adults, like regular exercise will help stave

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<v Speaker 1>off heart disease, UM and all kinds of cardiovascular and

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<v Speaker 1>pulmonary problems. Um. It Also, it improves moody. People who

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<v Speaker 1>get more exercise are happy. I think this is really

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<v Speaker 1>easy to notice, just between those weeks where you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to the jam and the ones where you slack off.

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<v Speaker 1>You get better sleep when you get good exercise. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>most people, you're both looking at me and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what to tell you because I have sleep issues.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you knew everything. Well, I just in in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of personal experience, like I'm a lifelong insomniac. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really care for sleep, and if I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, I wouldn't So okay, I'm there with you. Actually, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>me too, that's weird. Three vampires here in the same room.

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<v Speaker 1>Three am party tomorrow, excellent, that sounds great. I'll probably

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<v Speaker 1>be sewing or on the treadmill. I'm actually usually working

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<v Speaker 1>out about one am. That's what I like to That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I like to do that I do like to

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<v Speaker 1>us in the middle of the night. But for many

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<v Speaker 1>normal human people, for the non freaks, right, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>all of this has to do with the the hormone

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<v Speaker 1>balances that happen in your brain and in your body.

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<v Speaker 1>Things like Sarah tonin um uh increased workouts can can

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<v Speaker 1>get your brain and muscles involved with more of that,

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<v Speaker 1>which is your happy good times, um for your mood

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<v Speaker 1>and uh. And also I think that has to do

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<v Speaker 1>with sleep as well. So I'm talking totally off the cuffs.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think I'm hoping that what I'm saying is actual. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard the same information. UM, so round up on

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<v Speaker 1>what we've seen so far. Pretty standard, but just just

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<v Speaker 1>know that this is verified by science. Exercise is really

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<v Speaker 1>good for you. You need a lot of it, You

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<v Speaker 1>should do it. At least half of American adults are

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<v Speaker 1>not getting nearly enough the stat I mentioned earlier, thinking

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<v Speaker 1>I remember just from the same Boston Globe article I

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<v Speaker 1>said it earlier that it says that the most recent

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<v Speaker 1>federal health data show a steady climb since two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>seven in the number of US adults meeting weekly workout

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<v Speaker 1>goals or its words. So though the long trend may

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<v Speaker 1>have been kind of negative, like we've been getting less

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<v Speaker 1>fit in the past few years, it seems like apparently

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<v Speaker 1>there's been an upswing a bit. And and this does

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<v Speaker 1>coincide um with more people having more access to the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>which obviously gives you more direct access to social circles

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<v Speaker 1>and allows you. I mean also things like fitness trackers

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<v Speaker 1>have been coming down a lot in price and and

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<v Speaker 1>increasing in popularity. Fitness trackers. Fitness trackers, is that like

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<v Speaker 1>a like a hunter tracker guy with like a hat

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<v Speaker 1>and a rifle and he follows you too. That's actually

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<v Speaker 1>how marathons work, now now that you mentioned it, I

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<v Speaker 1>would much rather have one of those than a fit bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, but fitness hunter, fitness hunter. Yeah, no, no no,

0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.240
<v Speaker 1>no if fitness trackers are you know, a little pocket

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<v Speaker 1>sized bits of tech that take measurements and create some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of useful output to tell you how you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>in your exercise and other related metrics, possibly including your

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<v Speaker 1>your eating habits in your sleep. Um, they're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more useful as technology has improved, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>giving us things that are water a k A sweat resistant. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, having tiny, longer lasting batteries, more efficient screens,

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<v Speaker 1>more powerful onboard and or linked software to crunch that

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<v Speaker 1>data into something you can really use rather than just

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<v Speaker 1>giving you a graph of you ran a bunch um

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<v Speaker 1>and uh without a graph, right exactly? Yeah yeah, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know you know more on board memory,

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<v Speaker 1>smaller transistors, all all of that kind of good Moore's

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<v Speaker 1>Law technology stuff has has led to fitness trackers. Holly

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<v Speaker 1>is wearing one right now as we speak. What kind

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<v Speaker 1>is that? It's a Fitbit Flex. I I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say it was startling. It's one that Fitbit

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<v Speaker 1>has put out numerous trackers throughout the years. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to make it sound too long, but their um

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<v Speaker 1>their newest one is the Flex which you were on

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<v Speaker 1>your wrist versus the one which was more of a

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<v Speaker 1>clip situation, which is their previous model. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the startling things was the sleep tracker function, right you

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<v Speaker 1>said it by tapping it five times as you go

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<v Speaker 1>to bed, and then you tap it again five times

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<v Speaker 1>to wake up, so it comes out of sleep mode,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it will tell you how good or how

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<v Speaker 1>well or poorly you're sleeping, based based on how much

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<v Speaker 1>you were rolling around your movement. Some people think there

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<v Speaker 1>is a pulse element to it. There is not. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just based on your movement and your twitching. And I

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<v Speaker 1>in mine was like you woke up twenty three times

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<v Speaker 1>last now, which wasn't a huge surprise to me because

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<v Speaker 1>I am, like I said, I have lifelong insomnia. And

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<v Speaker 1>I am one of these people that routinely wakes up

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<v Speaker 1>like a dozen times a night. But even on nights

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<v Speaker 1>when I think I've really just slept like a log,

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<v Speaker 1>it will turn out that in fact, that is why.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was a little startling initially. Um, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>really fabulous in the in terms of tracking your motion,

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<v Speaker 1>attracts your overall motion for the day so that you

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<v Speaker 1>can set yourself a goal of like they put it

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<v Speaker 1>in step terms, but sometimes it's not always just walking

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<v Speaker 1>steps like right might be swimming. Set to track fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>thousand steps a day, so for each and it breaks

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<v Speaker 1>it down into fifths. You have a an illuminated light

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<v Speaker 1>in LED for each fifth, so like right now, when

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<v Speaker 1>I tap it, it says I have not been doing

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<v Speaker 1>all that much because I'm only three dots into my

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<v Speaker 1>day and I should be further. Uh so yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>then as you hit your goal for the day, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes all kinds of rumbling noises and is exciting and

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<v Speaker 1>it just makes you know you're getting enough movement throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the day. I think that sounds really helpful because it's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be frustrating if you're trying to improve your fitness,

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<v Speaker 1>but you don't exactly know what you're doing. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a sense of how of whether or not you're

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<v Speaker 1>actually meeting your goals. Well, and most of the fitness

0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:46.000
<v Speaker 1>trackers now, uh, they really do kind of measure a

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<v Speaker 1>much bigger picture kind of motion for the day instead

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<v Speaker 1>of just trying to track your exercise time so that

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<v Speaker 1>you do know, you know, Like the job Bone up

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<v Speaker 1>is another one that does a similar thing. The Misfit

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<v Speaker 1>Shine is brand new. It just to chipping I think

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<v Speaker 1>in the last six weeks Indigo Go launch and that's

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<v Speaker 1>a really cool one. Um. It's just little metal disk

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<v Speaker 1>that has these little pretty lights on it and to

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<v Speaker 1>to know anything about it you have to wirelessly connected

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<v Speaker 1>to your computer. Medieval jewelry, right, yeah, Well it's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>and different from other ones that exist, like the job

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<v Speaker 1>oone up is a wrist based tracker that bit flexes

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<v Speaker 1>risk based. The one is a clip like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Misfit Shine you can wear in any number

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<v Speaker 1>of places and they actually sell different accessories where it

0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.359
<v Speaker 1>can be a necklace or a bracelet or a it

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<v Speaker 1>can be a clippy thing and it's aircraft great aluminum,

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<v Speaker 1>so it can go through that your washing machine, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a problem for a lot of other trackers. Like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the problems with previous versions of the fitbit

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<v Speaker 1>is that people would forget it was like one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things they tell women is that you could wear

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<v Speaker 1>a clip to your bra so that it's out of

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<v Speaker 1>the way and it doesn't you know, you don't see it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not taking up accessory space in your life until

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<v Speaker 1>you do, and then a hundred dollars of ruined check um.

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<v Speaker 1>So like the newer fitbit can go in the shower

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<v Speaker 1>with you and it's not a problem. They say. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things that where they say it's um

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<v Speaker 1>water resistant or water tolerant, but not water proof, so

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't. You can go swimming and it will track

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<v Speaker 1>your swimming activity, but you don't want to go deep

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<v Speaker 1>sea diving with it or anything. Generally you probably should

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<v Speaker 1>go diving with Yeah, I don't know. I do not

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<v Speaker 1>recall the pretty solid little guy. So these guys can

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<v Speaker 1>have any number of sensors in them. Um. The wrist

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<v Speaker 1>related stuff that Holly was talking about is is usually

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<v Speaker 1>placed on your wrist because of PPGs or a photo

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<v Speaker 1>thesmo graphs. I think I said that right on the

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<v Speaker 1>first go that's crazy talk grown up. Oh that's oho

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<v Speaker 1>you're challenging me, Joe photo plet thesmo graph um and

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<v Speaker 1>and that's that's the new standard in noninvasive heart rate monitoring.

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<v Speaker 1>What they do is they bounce light um usually in

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<v Speaker 1>LED so that they're not burning your skin um through

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<v Speaker 1>the first through layers of your skin, and measure what

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<v Speaker 1>comes back to see how much blood is moving through

0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.200
<v Speaker 1>your capillaries because blood is going to absorb more light

0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.400
<v Speaker 1>than the surrounding tissues, so they can track your your

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<v Speaker 1>pulse and through that, which is super awesome future technology. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this real, this is totally this is this is what

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<v Speaker 1>is it. I've always wanted a machine that will keep

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<v Speaker 1>track of my blood. I never thought it would come true.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually they're big, encumbersome and the wheels squeak, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>these days. They're also being paired with an accelerometer which

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<v Speaker 1>will help compensate for your body and skin movement, which

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<v Speaker 1>makes them more accurate. The old version of this, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>was an electric cardiogram A K A and E C

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<v Speaker 1>G R E k G. That was so many initialisms

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<v Speaker 1>in one short sentence. There I apologize guys. UM, and

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<v Speaker 1>and those would detect electrical electrical signals through your skin

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<v Speaker 1>with little electric pickups. UM. Other stuff that happens in

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<v Speaker 1>fitness tractor, fitness tractors, fitness trackers, I think is drive

0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:15.960
<v Speaker 1>it around the house fitness tractor. UM. Pedometers podometers, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>are the things that that measure the motion of your

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<v Speaker 1>of your hips when you walk, or the impact of

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<v Speaker 1>your steps. Accelerometers, which are motion sensors that measure the

0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:28.960
<v Speaker 1>change in direction and velocity of anything. They're connected to

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<v Speaker 1>GPS receivers for tracking your position. Altometers altimeters, yes, altimeters

0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:38.639
<v Speaker 1>really that's so goofy sounding, which measure elevation gained and

0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.840
<v Speaker 1>lost and uh therefore can can attribute calories burned to

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<v Speaker 1>harder work like climbing stairs than just going in a

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<v Speaker 1>straight line. Galvanics in response sensors, These are some of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorites. They detect perspiration and thereby they measure the

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<v Speaker 1>connectivity of your skin and thereby detect how much your sweating,

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<v Speaker 1>which can help detect how much work you're doing. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And then infrared thermometers to track your body temperature and

0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.120
<v Speaker 1>the ambient temperature, with the principle that if you are

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<v Speaker 1>warmer than you're surrounding environment, you are doing more work. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty awesome. They're they're pretty awesome things I do

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<v Speaker 1>not I have a I have a panometer that we

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<v Speaker 1>got from work through a you know, corporate fitness initiative thing.

0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Um it is it is just a potometer. That is

0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:23.520
<v Speaker 1>what it does. It does that one thing. It has

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<v Speaker 1>one job. Um, but but I like it. I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, They're fun and I no doubt about all

0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.440
<v Speaker 1>this tech. I'm really excited to see what other kind

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<v Speaker 1>of crazy laser related stuff they start strapping to us. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering, Uh, are we always going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>have this is like a I don't like wearing stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on my wrists or like clipping things to my clothes. Really, um,

0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.760
<v Speaker 1>is there any easier way to do this? As it

0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.480
<v Speaker 1>turns out, yes, Um. They are starting to make things

0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that they are calling temporary tattoos that are really more

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<v Speaker 1>like stickers that contain all of the circuitry or some

0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:01.720
<v Speaker 1>of the circuitry, not all of the circuitry, because because

0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 1>things are still a little bit too bulky to put

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<v Speaker 1>it all in a single sticker. Do you stick to

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<v Speaker 1>your skin and it does the stuff and then you

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<v Speaker 1>can collect the readout you know, either wirelessly or um

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<v Speaker 1>uh through some kind of computer hookup. How long can

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<v Speaker 1>you wear it, like a like a day? Well, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've seen I don't have numbers on that

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<v Speaker 1>in my research, but I but I've seen them stick

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<v Speaker 1>on for a few days at a time. So wait,

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<v Speaker 1>epidermal electronics that can track your bio functions? Is this tongue?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this an idea like a pro or is this

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<v Speaker 1>like a prototype or is this already on the market.

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<v Speaker 1>These these are in the kind of prototype research sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stage. They they are being used in laboratories to

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<v Speaker 1>track these biomedical indicators. But but no, you can't go

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<v Speaker 1>out and buy one like at Walgreens yet give it

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<v Speaker 1>a minute? Two minutes, I would say, But yeah, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>less than twenty to fifty years. So I could just

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<v Speaker 1>potentially in the future, instead of having a uh uh

0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:04.600
<v Speaker 1>wrist band or something like that, I could just put

0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:06.520
<v Speaker 1>this on in the morning, like stick it to my

0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:11.159
<v Speaker 1>skin somewhere like a nicotine patch. Share. Yeah, it uploads

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:14.359
<v Speaker 1>whatever information it needs to to my device and boom,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done. Hypothetically, Yeah, that is that is where we

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<v Speaker 1>are headed, and I think, yeah, I really do think that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it might be very expensive in the near future.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think the average fitness trackers hovering right

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<v Speaker 1>around the hundred dollar mark. Yeah, they range. Um, like

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<v Speaker 1>I know the Nike Plus fuel band is. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the price ist of the like small personals and it's

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<v Speaker 1>what one thirty nine. Yeah, they're not that bad. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You can get the sort of heavier hitter like the

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's still a model of body Bug or

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:51.159
<v Speaker 1>body Fit Media. I think those two those have higher

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<v Speaker 1>price points, but they're also not the tiny little right right.

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<v Speaker 1>They might involve jewelry style. Yeah. Yeah, they also involved

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<v Speaker 1>the e k G or something which is more act

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<v Speaker 1>it but you have to wear it on a chest

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<v Speaker 1>strap to really get the year or they'll be on

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:06.600
<v Speaker 1>like an arm strap. Um, I don't know. I can

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:09.200
<v Speaker 1>get like fifty bags of potato chips for the propos

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 1>of that thing. More you would just be fifty bags

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:18.080
<v Speaker 1>of potato chips. Richer not so much with an eye

0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:23.239
<v Speaker 1>on your longevity. Um, but yeah, that is that. All

0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 1>of this is super exciting. Okay, Well, so we've talked

0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 1>about how keeping track of what you're doing could possibly

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:35.879
<v Speaker 1>help the public health aspect of a fitness in the future.

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:40.360
<v Speaker 1>But I want to talk about motivation. This is an

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 1>issue that concerns me because everybody knows that should get

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 1>more exercise. I mean, it's not a secret. Yeah, you can't, can't.

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 1>It's not a guarded piece of to find people. I mean,

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:53.639
<v Speaker 1>maybe you'll find people who will kind of argue with that.

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't believe the doctors. But basically

0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 1>everybody knows that you think more exercise is a good thing,

0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 1>yet people still aren't doing it. So there's clearly like

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 1>a motivation gap. It's not a problem where people don't

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 1>know what to do, they don't understand how to do it,

0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:15.119
<v Speaker 1>and they and it's hard to get the willpower to

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.199
<v Speaker 1>do it. Yeah, and I can attest to this, you know,

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.639
<v Speaker 1>like it. You can. You can be doing good for

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 1>a couple of months, going to the gym a lot,

0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and then you get busy, you get a lot of

0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:25.399
<v Speaker 1>stuff to do, and you just don't make time for it.

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 1>There Well, what always happens to me is there will

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 1>be that week, you know, the dread week, where you're like,

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>oh man, I have thirty two deadlines at work and

0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:34.240
<v Speaker 1>this is happening, and this life thing is happening, and

0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:35.720
<v Speaker 1>I have to take care of just this week. I'm

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 1>not going to worry about it so much. And then

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:43.440
<v Speaker 1>suddenly three months later you're like, wait, what happened? Right? Yeah? Yeah,

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:45.880
<v Speaker 1>well there's so yeah, Well I think we should talk

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:49.959
<v Speaker 1>about motivation. How can you trick your brain into wanting

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:52.360
<v Speaker 1>to do this thing that you know is good for you.

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 1>You have to make it fun, make it fun, making

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:57.359
<v Speaker 1>it fun that there's scientific evidence it says that if

0:26:57.400 --> 0:26:59.400
<v Speaker 1>you make it fun, if you give yourself a challenge

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:03.120
<v Speaker 1>past even a social challenge, then you know, like in sports,

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:04.679
<v Speaker 1>this is why a lot of people will wind up

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 1>playing sports if they if they have the time to

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 1>do so, and use that as an exercise, because, as

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 1>it turns out, if you make a game out of stuff,

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 1>people like to do it more. You know what. You

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 1>know what the corporate dudes call that gamification? Don't you

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 1>love that word? I don't. Well, let's take something that's

0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:24.439
<v Speaker 1>not a game and make it into a game so

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 1>more people will do it, and furthermore, make it into

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 1>it and increasingly ridiculous now and phrase, so that we

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 1>can gamification well, I think once I get saturated into

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.160
<v Speaker 1>like the world of marketing and stuff, it gets some

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:40.160
<v Speaker 1>fingerprints on it that make it kind of feel not

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 1>so pleasant and delightful. The concept of gamification, I think

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 1>is pretty clean. It's actually so if these marketing executives

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>can turn like I don't know, collecting coupons into a

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 1>game or something, which I'm sure they do in one

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 1>way or another. Yeah, they they can turn getting fit

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 1>into a game. And actually that's it on heard at

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 1>all because we've been doing it for thousands of years. Sports. Yeah,

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:07.919
<v Speaker 1>that's what soccer is, guys. Um but uh but but

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>but but also, I mean that's what fitness trackers can

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 1>help you do if you use them as such. You

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 1>can you can, especially the ones that link up through

0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 1>social media. You can compare what you're doing to what

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:18.200
<v Speaker 1>your friends are doing and make it into a little

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:21.359
<v Speaker 1>bit more of a competition and social Yeah. Okay, well,

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 1>so I was I was like wildly gesticulating and everyone

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.640
<v Speaker 1>was looking at me. Well, we we know what sports are.

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.879
<v Speaker 1>Everybody is aware of them. But it is true that

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 1>there are probably a lot of people I might put

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>myself in this category sometimes who wish they got more

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 1>exercise who enjoy when they do get more exercise, But

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 1>you you can't really just find the time and the

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>social energy to get yourself into a soccer club or

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>something like that. Yeah, Or scheduling gets really tricky sometimes. Yeah,

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Like I really want to take some lyric classes, but

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 1>it happens at like ten am on Tuesdays. So are

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:56.959
<v Speaker 1>there good ways that we think advances in the future

0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 1>or even stuff that's happening in the present can really

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 1>help turn fitness into a game without these scheduling conference

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 1>of them already there are tons of them loads what

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 1>are they? Uh? I actually would love to talk about

0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 1>console games first because they've been around much longer than

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>the other thing we're going to talk about. Um, I'm

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 1>trying to think of what year your Self Fitness came out,

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 1>but it's all ways back. It's back like pre three

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 1>six Xbox, and that was the first one that was

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>really available widely in something like two is I think

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 1>it might even be I think people who played the

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 1>et game for the Atari actually got a lot of

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 1>exercise by smashing the cartridges over and over. Uh that

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's merit. You're still getting movement, but you're

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:53.239
<v Speaker 1>saying this is the first real It's the first game

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 1>that was really like intended. It was a virtual trainer

0:29:57.320 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 1>who you know, would put you through your paces, would

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 1>pick whatever the focus of the workout would be for

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 1>the day. And her name was Maya, and I love

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 1>that thing. It was super fun. It was it mean

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>like the we No, it was not, although she would

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of let you know when you were falling down

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 1>on the job, like she'd like, you're not doing so

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 1>great this week, like we fit Pig is like, hey

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 1>you gained weight. Hey, chubs, I mean it's really not

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 1>you know what kind or gentle. I think the ideal

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 1>exercise console game would be one where the King of

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>the Cosmos from Katamari Domassy trains you in getting exercise.

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you know, like what would he say when you

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 1>your utter failure and embarrassment to your family. But and

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>that motivation works for some people. Some people do, like

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>when you think about the old school athletic coach that

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 1>yells at people, that still does work for some people,

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>but not for everyone. So thankfully this has really diversified

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 1>quite a bit. But that first game, it was really basic.

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:07.880
<v Speaker 1>You still had to use your controller monitoring your actual movement.

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 1>There was a little bit of an honor system to

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>it where you would have to be following along with

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Maya the trainer, almost like you would a workout video,

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>and then at the end of each segment you would

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>say like, yes, that's done or whatever and uh and

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>then based on that. But you couldn't game it like

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:24.520
<v Speaker 1>it was on its own time or so you couldn't

0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>speed it up or anything. Uh. I mean you could

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 1>sit there on your tail and wait for it to

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>be time to give input and lie. But that sounds

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 1>of those people that has a very hard time lying

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>to my electronics. And I don't know why. I'm like,

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 1>that's forever, it's on record. Um so I never lied

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 1>to Maya. But it's very noble, I don't think. I

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>think it's more neurotic than noble. But trying to cheat

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the fitness game I happen all the time. Uh. But well,

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 1>because they had gamified it in a way where like

0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>as you achieved certain things, new exercises would be unlaw

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 1>and people would get obsessed with the unlocking of things

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>but not the doing of them, which I always found funny.

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>That sounds I'm just picturing like like especially I mean

0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 1>she sounds like she was nice, but if she were, like,

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>if she were that we Fit pig, like, I would

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>probably be sitting there with a bunch of park ground

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>sitting back on like, yeah, I totally did that. No,

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 1>she's pretty nice, so you'd have to eat soil and

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 1>green and uh, she's human esque. But then for a

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>while Sony got in on it with the eye toy

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and they were doing some fitness games and then Connect

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 1>really kind of bridged a gap, and of course we

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Fit kind of really opened up the fitness gaming market

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>once you got some accelerometers and stuff like that in

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 1>your controllers. Yeah, it was you know, they didn't have

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>to have a camera involved. It was still measuring your motion.

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, do you remember when that thing came

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 1>out how hard it was to get ahold of one. Yeah, Like,

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 1>first I was getting the text alerts from Amazon to

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 1>let me know when it was in stock. And I

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>remember I was at my job at the time, in

0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 1>a meeting and I got the alert and I'm like,

0:32:57.520 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>I gotta go, I'll be back and I had to

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 1>go place my to really really and then I went

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>back to the meeting. Um, and I still have my

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 1>we Fit and I still play with it sometimes, just

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 1>partially for nostalgia at this point. But you know, you

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>can find a range of really supportive and fun things

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 1>that are very very game like, Like the we Fit

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 1>has straight training and it also has games that are

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 1>getting you to move. And so whichever one of those

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 1>people tend to enjoy more, they can focus more on.

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Um I I knew some people in college who would

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 1>play the home version of d d R as a workout.

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh I Love My Dance Dance Revolution for those of

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 1>you who do DOWT. Now that was fun stuff. And

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 1>they actually did try to launch a campaign at one point,

0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 1>like a marketing campaign of like look at these people

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 1>who have lost waiting Unfit playing but it really didn't

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 1>take off or go anywhere. I mean, it kind of

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 1>fizzled out. He did have to have a pretty aggressive

0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 1>love of really bad J pop, which I think might

0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 1>have been a barrier. I don't understand why that would

0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 1>be a problem. But that's neither here nor there. You

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 1>are standing in for Jonathan too. He really loves J pop.

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Guy to a lot of great But now it's what's

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 1>really interesting is that a lot of athletic and fitnesswear

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:14.359
<v Speaker 1>companies are in on it, like Nike has a game

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 1>for connect Um that they're partnered with Microsoft. UM. Adidas

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:24.239
<v Speaker 1>has a game called My Coach UM. And I will

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 1>say though I don't know that sales on those have

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>been stellar. Like a couple of years ago, e A

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Sports Active came out and that was really popular initially, um,

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:35.920
<v Speaker 1>and then it seems like it kind of fizzled. So

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I think the console element is a little bit dropping

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 1>off because now it's all about apps right right, And

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:46.719
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of apps. You there's one, there

0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:49.799
<v Speaker 1>are dozens that I use all the time. UM. I'm

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:52.839
<v Speaker 1>telling you, I like technology and I like running around. Okay, Well,

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 1>one I mentioned in the script because I love the

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:59.360
<v Speaker 1>idea so much was the one where you run from zombies.

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 1>I love this thing. I get Holly's Facebook updates about

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:09.319
<v Speaker 1>this all the time. Explained to us, it's like an RPG, UM,

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>so it's a serialized story that plays out during your run.

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:17.399
<v Speaker 1>So each run is like a mission. You are Runner five.

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Who is this runner that gets recruited? It's post apocalyptic.

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:23.879
<v Speaker 1>There's been a zombie outbreak. It happens um. I think

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>just outside of London. And uh, it's kind of this

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:31.320
<v Speaker 1>base that's trying to, you know, put itself back together

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 1>and sort of form this little pocket of human civilization

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 1>and survive together. And you become a runner. Basically your

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 1>job is to go out and run to places and

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:44.400
<v Speaker 1>collect supplies. Uh, and zombies will chase you. There's actually

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 1>a setting in the game where you can activate zombie

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>chases or not. They will still appear in the storyline.

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:53.239
<v Speaker 1>But if you have zombie chases activated and they catch

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:55.479
<v Speaker 1>up to you, like you don't speed up enough during

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.320
<v Speaker 1>your run when a zombie chase alert happens, you'll drop

0:35:58.360 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>some of your supplies so you won't be able to

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 1>old your base is quickly. And this is basically interval training.

0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean that this is this is a pretty the

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 1>zombies on Yeah, Yeah, that's that's yeah that that zombie

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:12.840
<v Speaker 1>running thing in in particular, right is Yeah. I just

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:15.280
<v Speaker 1>think that's so clever. It's so great, I mean, really

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 1>smart and fun. So you find this like actually very

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:23.800
<v Speaker 1>motivating above your level of normal interest in running, Yeah,

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:25.880
<v Speaker 1>because there are days when I don't feel like running.

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean I love running, I hate running. I love running.

0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:32.160
<v Speaker 1>I hate running. I think many runners I have a

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 1>shirt that says that. I mean, it's not an uncommon

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 1>scenario where there you know, you have great days and

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 1>when it's a good run, it's exhilarating, and when it's bad,

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:42.799
<v Speaker 1>it hurts and it just is awful. Um. But it's

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:45.359
<v Speaker 1>one of those things where you know, I really got

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>to get more supplies and build my base. I had

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>better I better get out there. So even like because

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 1>we sometimes get to telework, Like if I'm teleworking, that's

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:55.399
<v Speaker 1>usually a day when I'm like, you know what I'm

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:56.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna do it Lunch is I'm gonna go get some

0:36:56.800 --> 0:37:00.000
<v Speaker 1>supplies to build my base. I'll pop out and get

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:05.760
<v Speaker 1>a run where I probably wouldn't otherwise. And I believe

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:08.839
<v Speaker 1>this is using GPS tracking to to tell how far

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.799
<v Speaker 1>you've gone, and you have options actually you can do

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 1>GPS tracking or I often um in my week night training,

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I run on an indoor track, so I use the

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 1>accelerometer for so it doesn't give you mileage at that point.

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 1>And the way UH they handle zombie chases in that

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 1>instance is they base it on like your base pace,

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.760
<v Speaker 1>like what you're going, and how much you accelerate beyond

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that based on what the accelerometer is getting in terms

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>of feedback, so you can still get caught by zombies

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:44.319
<v Speaker 1>and drop your stuff. Very troubling, um, but it is

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 1>very fun. They're deep into season two now, like the

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 1>first season was so successful that they put out a

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:52.239
<v Speaker 1>second season, and it really is. The story is really

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 1>well written and super engaging any fans of like Radio

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:01.800
<v Speaker 1>because there's lots of references to Buffy. There's the occasional

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 1>doctor who reference. Uh. It's a very nerd focused but

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 1>it's also accessible to people that are not into all

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:11.880
<v Speaker 1>those things. Yeah. The slightly less health inducing game was

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:15.240
<v Speaker 1>the one where you get chased by dollegs just upstairs,

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 1>lie down your deceased. Uh. Yeah, So I find it

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 1>super engaging. I love it. I like I'm always trying

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 1>to proselytize people into downloading Zombies Run and joining me

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 1>in my crazy um adventure. But and that one has

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:36.359
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a social element, you Um. They

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 1>have a site called zombies Link and you can upload

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 1>your your runs and you'll compare your base building to

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:44.840
<v Speaker 1>other people's base building and it's all very exciting. But

0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:47.280
<v Speaker 1>there are so many other running apps it's not even funny,

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:50.919
<v Speaker 1>Like Nike Plus has one that I sometimes use. UM.

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:55.479
<v Speaker 1>There are apps that will keep track of your path

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>that you take and it will share it with other

0:38:57.520 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 1>people so that like if you have friends that you

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 1>have allowed excess, they can see where you are. UM.

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:04.359
<v Speaker 1>There's a company called road i D that's been making

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 1>these literally like UM um metal identification tags that runners

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 1>can wear so that if something were to happen to

0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 1>you on the road, you would have all of your

0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:17.720
<v Speaker 1>emergency information. But now they've made an app that both

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 1>drops a breadcrumb, like when you start your run. You

0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 1>could say I'm starting to run. I'm gonna run for

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 1>about an hour, and like I use it with my

0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:25.080
<v Speaker 1>husband because I don't always know where I'm going to

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:27.279
<v Speaker 1>run and he wants me to be safe, and it

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 1>will send him a U R L and say this

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 1>is where Holly's at and he can click that and

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 1>it will show him the map of where I am

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 1>all the time. UM, which is super cool. And it

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 1>has like a thing where you can set up a

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.400
<v Speaker 1>lock screen, so if Heaven forbids something were to happen

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:46.200
<v Speaker 1>and your phone locks like most people do, UM, they

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:48.600
<v Speaker 1>can still like emergency services would be able to just

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>see on your lock screen, who your emergency contact is

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:53.879
<v Speaker 1>if you're allergic to anything, what you need to what

0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:55.840
<v Speaker 1>the who they need to be in touch with, etcetera.

0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 1>It's very cool. So tech is kind of helping not

0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:01.840
<v Speaker 1>just motivate, but keep everybody safe because the zones have

0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:06.480
<v Speaker 1>gotten you. That's awesome. There are even apps where they

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 1>will um read tweets to you. Like if you're running

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 1>and you open your you know, you set your app

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 1>and say I'm going for a run, your friends will

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:18.240
<v Speaker 1>get They'll see in their Twitter feed like this person

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 1>is really going for a run. And if they reply

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 1>to you and say, oh my god, you literally hear

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 1>the robot rong boys say, you know, Jennine says, Holly go,

0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:29.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like very very fun. It sounds like a nightmare. No,

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:32.480
<v Speaker 1>it's and know that that sounds much more relaxing than

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:35.240
<v Speaker 1>my other friend who had like like war Analysis's tweet

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:38.800
<v Speaker 1>stream straight into his into his job, which sounded awful.

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that I want this. Some are like

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 1>really pleasant, you know, it depends on how nice your

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:46.320
<v Speaker 1>friends are. I guess nice ladies from Great Britain summer.

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, uh, your standard neutral American accent. They're very cool.

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 1>So I wonder if does the social media aspect of

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:58.720
<v Speaker 1>this really actually help people get better performance and better gains.

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 1>There's there's a whole lot of information out there about

0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 1>about motivation and emotional support and all of that. Um,

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the the answer is basically yes, Yes, it

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:14.359
<v Speaker 1>is scientifically proven that if you have emotional support when

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:16.480
<v Speaker 1>you were doing stuff, and that social media accounts is

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:20.239
<v Speaker 1>emotional support. Uh do you have? I mean, Holly, do

0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 1>you feel like when you link your stuff up too?

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Because I don't have a personal I've never done that

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:25.880
<v Speaker 1>thing where I've linked it to any of my social

0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:29.319
<v Speaker 1>social media accounts. Uh yeah, I mean it's nice like

0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Nike Plus has A has another one that's similar. They

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.640
<v Speaker 1>don't read you the text um or your Facebook things.

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>But every time someone likes your status on Facebook that

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you're out for a run, you just hear cheering. It

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of breaks in over your soundtrack whatever you're listening to,

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and it's really nice, like somebody likes that I'm running. Um,

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:50.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you I feel like such a jerk

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:55.760
<v Speaker 1>now because when I see people on social media bragging

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:58.719
<v Speaker 1>about the exercise they're getting, I'm just like you don't

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:01.319
<v Speaker 1>have to do that, but now feel like a mean guy.

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:05.320
<v Speaker 1>You're not well, and some of it isn't even m conscious,

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.520
<v Speaker 1>like some will just automatically upload it like you really

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:10.399
<v Speaker 1>aren't doing anything, like I'm not always aware and I, oh, yes,

0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't feel like that. I renounce it. I renounce it.

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:20.640
<v Speaker 1>It's okay. You're allowed to feel ways about things. Uh no,

0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:22.719
<v Speaker 1>no judge away. That's the deal we make as part

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.439
<v Speaker 1>of society. We're gonna get judged sometimes, I do. I will.

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna do another episode on fitness as well, and

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I think in that one, I've got a big old

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 1>section on on exactly how what your community is doing

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:39.480
<v Speaker 1>affects what you're doing in terms of motivation and self

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 1>control and uh and fitness. So cool. Well, I'd like

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:45.880
<v Speaker 1>to talk about something a little bit like that that

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:49.359
<v Speaker 1>I think comes in big when we're talking about the

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:54.600
<v Speaker 1>gamification of fitness. And this definitely shows up in standard sports,

0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:59.279
<v Speaker 1>like when you talk about something like conjunctive tasks. UM.

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:02.839
<v Speaker 1>It's phenomenon that's often applied to exercise science, and it's

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 1>known as the Cohler effect. Have y'all heard of this?

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I have, because you mentioned it in your notes. So

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 1>the color effect works like this. UM, imagine you've got

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:17.879
<v Speaker 1>a person A and person B, and uh, let's give

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 1>them names. Uh, let's not give them names. You can,

0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 1>you can, you can call them Holly and Lauren. Yeah,

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.200
<v Speaker 1>there you go. Let's let's say there's Holly and Lauren.

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Now we UM, take Lauren and we put her on

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 1>an exercise bike and in a room by herself and say, um,

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:37.719
<v Speaker 1>go as fast as you can for as long as

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 1>you can, and we'll just like monitor your progress, and

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:44.880
<v Speaker 1>then we track what she does. Then we put Holly

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 1>in exactly the same condition, except we put her in

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:51.400
<v Speaker 1>a room full of people who are collectively trying to

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 1>achieve the best possible average time, and they're all better

0:43:56.280 --> 0:44:01.000
<v Speaker 1>than her. Um, how do Holly and Lauren compare? Well,

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:04.279
<v Speaker 1>it turns out that exercise science shows that Holly does

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:09.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot better case. Um. And and this is what's

0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:13.839
<v Speaker 1>known as the color effect. Basically, lower performing individuals who

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:17.839
<v Speaker 1>are placed among a group of higher performing individuals show

0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:22.440
<v Speaker 1>much greater gains than people who work alone. Yeah. I

0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:25.759
<v Speaker 1>mean that's pretty commonly known. I think in fitness. One thing,

0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:27.920
<v Speaker 1>if you ever talked to like a group fitness instructor.

0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:32.479
<v Speaker 1>They will tell you, like the people that normally would

0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:34.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of turn in a mediocre performance if they were

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 1>exercising solo er by themselves, when you put them in

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.920
<v Speaker 1>a class, they're aware that people are watching them, so

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 1>they automatically done it a little bit more. And also

0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:45.879
<v Speaker 1>there's just like a different energy when you're all doing

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 1>something together that kind of brings everybody up a little bit. Yeah.

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Felts Kerr and Irwin and a little article I have, Uh,

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:58.120
<v Speaker 1>it seems that they found that the peak performance gain

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:01.040
<v Speaker 1>is when the less k the bole member is about

0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:05.960
<v Speaker 1>forty less capable than the stronger partners. Well, it's very specific,

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:08.839
<v Speaker 1>it's also very distant, do you know what I mean?

0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:10.719
<v Speaker 1>That's a big gage. That's a huge gap. So when

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 1>you're less good than the person on your team, that's

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:17.239
<v Speaker 1>when you get the biggest benefit. I should be so

0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:20.560
<v Speaker 1>much faster. I run with much faster people sometimes, but

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:22.839
<v Speaker 1>it hasn't happened yet, I guess. I guess that's also

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:25.399
<v Speaker 1>why things like like for example, marathons are are very

0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:28.080
<v Speaker 1>popular because you're running with a bunch of athletes, many

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:31.440
<v Speaker 1>of whom are are you know, do that almost professionally,

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:35.320
<v Speaker 1>if not actually professionally. And although usually people like me

0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:37.799
<v Speaker 1>don't see those people well in a big group, well

0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:40.480
<v Speaker 1>because they stagger your start time so that the fastest

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:43.440
<v Speaker 1>people aren't collogged up with slow people. So you know,

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm usually a few corals back. By the time I start,

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the fast people are long gone. Well, blow kisses to

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 1>them in the distance. So I think one of the

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:54.000
<v Speaker 1>cooler implications of what we know about the color effect

0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:57.400
<v Speaker 1>is actually how this pertains to the gamification of fitness,

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 1>specifically like placing people among team teams. Uh, we already

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:04.759
<v Speaker 1>have team sports, I mean, that's pretty common thing. But

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 1>applying this to games, it's interesting to think of the

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:12.560
<v Speaker 1>idea of having not just a game like these most

0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:15.719
<v Speaker 1>of these console games where you do fitness training and

0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>it gives you results and you can unlock new games

0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:21.800
<v Speaker 1>and all that, but maybe adding like a massive multiplayer

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 1>approach to that, so where you are using your fitness

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:29.000
<v Speaker 1>game not just to play against the computer, but that

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:32.759
<v Speaker 1>you're placed among a team of peers. Yeah, and some

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:35.480
<v Speaker 1>games do have multiplayer, they're not. I'm trying to think

0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:38.759
<v Speaker 1>if any of them have an online multiplayer other than

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 1>just uploading stats from what I've read, I think this

0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 1>is sort of underdeveloped at the point at this moment,

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:48.720
<v Speaker 1>but what I've imagined. I mean, if you could take

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 1>the kinds of games that people really love. I mean,

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:53.799
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that a lot of these console games, the

0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:58.200
<v Speaker 1>sales aren't stellar yet. I mean, if you could take

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:00.719
<v Speaker 1>this kind of gaming mccannic, I can put it in

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:03.560
<v Speaker 1>a game like World of Warcraft or whatever, or Halo

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 1>or something like that, people just go insane for I

0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:11.719
<v Speaker 1>can see that being a big hit. I'm I would either.

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if I had to exercise in order to

0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:19.720
<v Speaker 1>play Halo better, I would, I'm not. I'm really honestly

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 1>not sure whether I would really exercise, or whether I

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 1>would end up hating my opponents in Halo even more

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:28.160
<v Speaker 1>than I already do and calling them even worse names.

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I wonder that too, because I have done my own

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:33.960
<v Speaker 1>sorts of experiments with this, where I'll say, like, um,

0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:36.680
<v Speaker 1>and it's not even against other players necessarily, but like

0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 1>games that maybe don't require me to be standing the

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.160
<v Speaker 1>whole time, or like a we game like Epic Mickey,

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:45.799
<v Speaker 1>which I love. Not everyone does. That's fine. There have

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:47.719
<v Speaker 1>been there was a time when I was playing through

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 1>like a second time, and as an experiment, I was

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:51.520
<v Speaker 1>going to say I could never sit down. I had

0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 1>to always be standing and moving to play. And after

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:56.120
<v Speaker 1>about an hour I was like, I have to play

0:47:56.120 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 1>through this time. I want to sit down. So I

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 1>wonder if with him, when you put that in a big,

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:05.479
<v Speaker 1>massively multiplayer kind of concept, if it does like Laurence said,

0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:09.279
<v Speaker 1>you just hate the having to of it, Well, it

0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:12.240
<v Speaker 1>could be, but um, another thing that would be interesting

0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 1>is to imagine, say like a massive shooter game like

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Halo or something where it's, uh, it's sort of mixed mechanics.

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:22.839
<v Speaker 1>So imagine you're at some points of the game, you're

0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:26.080
<v Speaker 1>using your controller or whatever to to play the normal

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:28.880
<v Speaker 1>combat simulation, but there are also lots of segments of

0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:32.400
<v Speaker 1>the game that involve, you know, sprinting across enemy lines

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:35.040
<v Speaker 1>or something like that, and it hooks up to I

0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 1>don't know what it would be, maybe your smart treadmill

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:41.120
<v Speaker 1>or your or you know, your GPS thing on your phone.

0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.480
<v Speaker 1>If someone had to be able to lift and swing

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:47.360
<v Speaker 1>appropriately the weight equivalent of an energy sword at me

0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:49.239
<v Speaker 1>in order to hit me with an energy sword, I

0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:51.800
<v Speaker 1>would be a fan of that thing. That's pretty interesting.

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:54.759
<v Speaker 1>I would like that real good. Well, no, I mean

0:48:55.320 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 1>that's actually you would have to be I think I'm

0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:06.239
<v Speaker 1>a sniper. You guys, I'm back there as they are.

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:07.920
<v Speaker 1>They are, But that's fine. I could I feel like

0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:12.879
<v Speaker 1>I could deal with that. Um. Yeah, so I find

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:19.319
<v Speaker 1>this idea interesting. But also here's another complication on it. Um. So,

0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:22.640
<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about playing against actual, real players. One

0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:26.080
<v Speaker 1>problem with that is that there's a there's a counterbalancing

0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:28.960
<v Speaker 1>effect to the color effect that's known as the social

0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:34.400
<v Speaker 1>loafing effect. Yeah. So, if you are the underperforming individual

0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:37.440
<v Speaker 1>on this team, you're going to have sustained gains and

0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:39.400
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do better and better all the time. This

0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 1>is a real good thing for you. If you're one

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:43.400
<v Speaker 1>of the best people on this team, this is not

0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:48.319
<v Speaker 1>a good thing for you because you, yeah, you will

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:53.399
<v Speaker 1>be losing your motivation and actually underperforming. Um. And so

0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 1>one interesting remedy to this I've seen are some experiments

0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:01.399
<v Speaker 1>where exercise science has looked at this and they said,

0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I wonder what would happen if we replaced this team

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:09.279
<v Speaker 1>with a virtual partner, someone who can get who could

0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:11.120
<v Speaker 1>look like a rabbit, who can always be better than you,

0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:14.160
<v Speaker 1>no matter where your performance. Yeah, the greyhound track, the

0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:16.160
<v Speaker 1>rabbit that's always just ahead of them. There. You know,

0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:19.319
<v Speaker 1>they're not gonna catch it, though I've heard maybe they

0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:26.720
<v Speaker 1>do sometimes. Uh don racing is not really my zither,

0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:32.880
<v Speaker 1>not familiar. In any case, if it was a digital rabbit,

0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:36.719
<v Speaker 1>they definitely would never catch it. Um. So yeah, if

0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:39.640
<v Speaker 1>you can imagine the same experiment I talked about before,

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:44.520
<v Speaker 1>but put both of you in rooms, um and the

0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:46.719
<v Speaker 1>one of you who's accompanied by partners is not a

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 1>companied by real people, but accompanied by just a virtual

0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:53.520
<v Speaker 1>buddy in the game who's always a little bit faster

0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:55.480
<v Speaker 1>than you. No matter how could you do, that person

0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:59.080
<v Speaker 1>is always a little bit better you. Actually, this the

0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:02.879
<v Speaker 1>color effects still all manifests. I wonder though, would they

0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:05.920
<v Speaker 1>have to, I mean throttle it a little bit because

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I think if it were always better than me, and

0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I would get frustrated. I like that. I want to

0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:11.320
<v Speaker 1>catch it once in a while. Like the dog and

0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:14.799
<v Speaker 1>duck hunt. Yeah, eventually you really want to shoot that dog,

0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:19.320
<v Speaker 1>but because he's laughing at you, well right right, because

0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:22.480
<v Speaker 1>he's always better than you. Um No, And I you know,

0:51:22.560 --> 0:51:24.400
<v Speaker 1>and it does sound I think the scientific term is

0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:28.160
<v Speaker 1>whack that that you would react to a digital opponent

0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the same way that you would a human opponent. But

0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:34.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but any kind of study into um anthropomorphizing

0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 1>uh digital personas will show you that people do that

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:42.080
<v Speaker 1>all the time willingly and subconsciously. So I think I

0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 1>could Yeah, absolutely, yeah, And I agree with Holly. Actually,

0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I think probably the best result would be if they

0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:50.520
<v Speaker 1>mixed it up a little bit, if it was most

0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:52.560
<v Speaker 1>of the time better than you, but you could catch

0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.000
<v Speaker 1>up every now and then. Yeah, you gotta feel like

0:51:55.000 --> 0:51:58.480
<v Speaker 1>there's a chance. Otherwise it feels very sisifician. You know.

0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:01.399
<v Speaker 1>One thing I could imagine is that, um, if your

0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:05.320
<v Speaker 1>ability to catch the slightly better than you always a

0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:09.719
<v Speaker 1>virtual partner was not based on your sort of what

0:52:09.719 --> 0:52:12.760
<v Speaker 1>would you call it, your your gross performance, but based

0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:16.120
<v Speaker 1>on your gains. So like, if you beat your own

0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:20.800
<v Speaker 1>best by a certain rate, does that make sense because

0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:23.239
<v Speaker 1>in that way you could sort of always advance more.

0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:26.879
<v Speaker 1>It does, although I wonder what happens then when you

0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:30.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of max out. Yeah, you know what I mean,

0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 1>there's a point where like, as a runner, I'm not

0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:38.239
<v Speaker 1>going to get faster, sure, so at that point, I look,

0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:43.000
<v Speaker 1>never ever catch the thing well. But I mean, but

0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:45.759
<v Speaker 1>there's but there's also there's other indicators of how well

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:48.839
<v Speaker 1>you're doing it running than how fast you're going. Hypothetically,

0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:50.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, is that is that the only thing that

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:53.319
<v Speaker 1>you're going for? I mean, I pay attention. I really

0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:55.439
<v Speaker 1>don't care about speed at all. Like when I run

0:52:55.440 --> 0:52:57.239
<v Speaker 1>a race, I don't care what my finished time is.

0:52:58.080 --> 0:52:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I have at some points like I've set a goal,

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:01.839
<v Speaker 1>like an annual goal, and been like I want to

0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 1>finish in this time half marathon this year and this time. Um,

0:53:05.200 --> 0:53:07.960
<v Speaker 1>But often I'm just like, let's just all have fun

0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:13.200
<v Speaker 1>out on the course. Yeah. A really funny alternative to

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:16.080
<v Speaker 1>this virtual partner that I found was the idea of

0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:20.360
<v Speaker 1>a running coach drone. Apparently this is for real. Do

0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:23.799
<v Speaker 1>you all read about this. It's called jogo Bot. It's

0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:29.120
<v Speaker 1>a flying running coach drone has quad rotors and it

0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:32.680
<v Speaker 1>basically flies ahead of you, encouraging you to go faster.

0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:37.719
<v Speaker 1>The future is now. I look at this and I

0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:40.880
<v Speaker 1>have such conflicting feelings. On one hand, I'm like, that

0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:43.879
<v Speaker 1>is so cool. On the other hand, I'm kind of like,

0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:48.359
<v Speaker 1>why it does seem like a lot of resources put

0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:53.360
<v Speaker 1>towards something that would probably only have a really niche market.

0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm picturing someone trotting down the road with that

0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:58.839
<v Speaker 1>in front of them, and like one just aside from

0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the safety risks of cars slamming into each other because

0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:06.400
<v Speaker 1>they're like, what is going on there? Uh? Yeah, I

0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:08.200
<v Speaker 1>have to wonder if it's not at that point the

0:54:08.239 --> 0:54:12.839
<v Speaker 1>segue of the fitness world, like it's really neat, but

0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:16.719
<v Speaker 1>why but only people with a lot of disposable income, have,

0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:21.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, and like a lack of the inability to

0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:26.359
<v Speaker 1>be afraid of not looking cool. I threw that away

0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:30.399
<v Speaker 1>all long time, but then again, but now I'm coming back.

0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, that could be really awesome. I don't know,

0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I have I definitely want to try it out. I

0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:38.200
<v Speaker 1>would love that for group runs. I think there's a

0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:41.560
<v Speaker 1>lot because I think that would then really kind of

0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:43.680
<v Speaker 1>assist in the color effect, because no one would want

0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:45.520
<v Speaker 1>to be the person that falls so far behind your

0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:47.880
<v Speaker 1>not able to keep an eye on the drone anymore.

0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.120
<v Speaker 1>I would. I would if we can bring back to

0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:52.840
<v Speaker 1>video games, I would expect it to be British and

0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:55.040
<v Speaker 1>really snarky, and that would be that if I mean,

0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:57.160
<v Speaker 1>if it could talk to us as we were running. Oh,

0:54:57.239 --> 0:55:00.319
<v Speaker 1>it's like the thing in portal to right right yeah,

0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:02.560
<v Speaker 1>or or or Halo also has one of those you

0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:06.760
<v Speaker 1>know so yeah, okay, Uh so you get a giant

0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:08.640
<v Speaker 1>robot to run in front of you. Yeah, you can

0:55:08.760 --> 0:55:12.560
<v Speaker 1>have like gypsy danger and you chase it. I would

0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:17.680
<v Speaker 1>be so all over that. That's wonderful. Okay, So we've

0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:20.359
<v Speaker 1>talked about gamification. I want to talk about one more thing,

0:55:20.600 --> 0:55:26.680
<v Speaker 1>which is uh, nanogenerators that I really do I want.

0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:30.120
<v Speaker 1>This is a secret. No gets so excited that I can.

0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I really do love them. We worked on an article

0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:37.680
<v Speaker 1>for Houstuff Works last year or the end of the

0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:43.839
<v Speaker 1>prior year about nanogenerators, and we um spoke with Zeo Wang,

0:55:43.840 --> 0:55:45.799
<v Speaker 1>who runs a lab at Georgia Tech, which is not

0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:50.000
<v Speaker 1>far away from us. Him. He's so nice and just

0:55:50.080 --> 0:55:53.279
<v Speaker 1>really cool and you know, reading about like his work

0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:56.279
<v Speaker 1>just blew my mind and was cool. And it was

0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:58.000
<v Speaker 1>one of those things where I remember telling my best

0:55:58.000 --> 0:55:59.959
<v Speaker 1>friend who is a mom, like, oh, this is so great.

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:03.000
<v Speaker 1>They have these tiny, you know, pieces of tech that

0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:05.880
<v Speaker 1>you attached to yourself and it converts your kinetic energy

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:08.600
<v Speaker 1>into actually usable energy. And she's like they should slap

0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:10.480
<v Speaker 1>that on a bunch of four year olds and I

0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:15.359
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my gosh, energy crisis solved. Yeah. So

0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:20.279
<v Speaker 1>professor Wang he he was involved in the nanor the

0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 1>nanogenerators based on the zinc oxide nano wire which they grow.

0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:28.359
<v Speaker 1>They grow these wires and apparently this was a big

0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:33.120
<v Speaker 1>breakthrough because it got much more return of like voltage

0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:36.840
<v Speaker 1>for the mechanical energy. Right. Yeah, yeah, he really has it.

0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean there have been different labs working on this idea,

0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:41.719
<v Speaker 1>is his is certainly not the only one, but he

0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:44.120
<v Speaker 1>really advanced it very quickly at one point when they

0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:50.080
<v Speaker 1>started working with these growing nano wires. Yeah. So the

0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the effect is known in physics as piezo electricity, right right, Um,

0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:57.840
<v Speaker 1>And what that means is we always have this argument.

0:56:57.920 --> 0:57:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's uh piece of piez I was p P

0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:11.600
<v Speaker 1>I want that? Yeah? Well, it turns shellfish into usable energy.

0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Know what it does is that I actually I think

0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:18.360
<v Speaker 1>it can go both ways, right, But I think what

0:57:18.360 --> 0:57:21.240
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about here is it's turning mechanical energy, so

0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:26.640
<v Speaker 1>like movement into electricity, correct, which is electrical current current

0:57:26.760 --> 0:57:30.280
<v Speaker 1>from And you look at these things and they don't

0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:32.959
<v Speaker 1>look like much It looks like just a little flexible chip,

0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:37.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, but put this thing on the boddom of

0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:41.160
<v Speaker 1>your shoes or really on any surface that's going to

0:57:41.200 --> 0:57:46.080
<v Speaker 1>be stressed, strained or smashed flexed flex right. You can

0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:48.640
<v Speaker 1>You can hypothetically even pave a rotor sidewalk with this

0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:51.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff if you you know, I wanted to,

0:57:51.680 --> 0:57:53.800
<v Speaker 1>if you can figure out a way to protect it. Yeah,

0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:58.680
<v Speaker 1>and this actually generates electric current straight from that. That's amazing.

0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:01.160
<v Speaker 1>You could you could charge your phone by going out

0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:04.480
<v Speaker 1>for a run, yeah, potentially. Now, I think the problem

0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:08.800
<v Speaker 1>so far is that they they're still not like amazingly efficient,

0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Like don't they have a cap at how much they

0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:13.320
<v Speaker 1>can capture? Uh And back when we were working on

0:58:13.360 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 1>the article, it was very small. It was like the

0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:18.840
<v Speaker 1>amount of two double A batteries, which is to run

0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:20.560
<v Speaker 1>your m P three player, like if you have a

0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:24.320
<v Speaker 1>little clip on one or or your phone. Um. I

0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:27.320
<v Speaker 1>mean it also outside of fitness, just as a quick asside,

0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:30.360
<v Speaker 1>it has lots of medical uses as well where it

0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:32.880
<v Speaker 1>can be used. The ideas that you would implant it

0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:35.600
<v Speaker 1>on something like a lung that is always flexing just

0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:37.640
<v Speaker 1>by virtue of your breathing and it could be powering

0:58:37.720 --> 0:58:42.280
<v Speaker 1>your um pacemaker. Thank you? What did I see it?

0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Could it could take the mechanical energy of your pulse

0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:50.560
<v Speaker 1>and use it to power and implanted insulin injective. Sure? Sure, yeah,

0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:54.240
<v Speaker 1>insulin pumps are the one. Incredibly cool. But there have

0:58:54.360 --> 0:58:56.800
<v Speaker 1>been discussions and I remember seeing in I forget what

0:58:56.880 --> 0:58:59.400
<v Speaker 1>fitness magazine. It was like a couple of years back

0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:01.920
<v Speaker 1>before I worked on this article. They were talking about

0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:04.640
<v Speaker 1>you guys and nanogenerators. It's going to be in your clothes,

0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's going to power your MP three player, and

0:59:06.600 --> 0:59:09.320
<v Speaker 1>it will automatically motivate you because if you stop running,

0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:12.880
<v Speaker 1>your music stops too. And then I was like, where

0:59:12.960 --> 0:59:16.520
<v Speaker 1>is this technology? That's pretty cool? And we're not there

0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:20.640
<v Speaker 1>yet to commercial market, but we're getting closer. Do you

0:59:20.800 --> 0:59:22.400
<v Speaker 1>think that about wraps it up? Do you all want

0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:26.280
<v Speaker 1>to talk about anything else? I That's that's all I got. Well,

0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I think the bottom line is that games and gadgets

0:59:28.800 --> 0:59:32.960
<v Speaker 1>are going to prevent you from dying. You're gonna live forever.

0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Good news, No, no, no, But they may actually make

0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:40.080
<v Speaker 1>a big difference. I actually I feel pretty good about

0:59:40.120 --> 0:59:43.680
<v Speaker 1>the gamification issue, Like especially with zombies run. That sounds

0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:47.439
<v Speaker 1>really cool, and I see that it's not just a trick,

0:59:47.560 --> 0:59:49.920
<v Speaker 1>like I can see that kind of thing actually working

0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:53.000
<v Speaker 1>in the long term with people. Yeah, and I hope

0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:56.480
<v Speaker 1>they keep churning out seasons. Although I've replayed and really enjoyed,

0:59:56.720 --> 1:00:00.240
<v Speaker 1>just like you would your favorite television series. I enjoy

1:00:00.280 --> 1:00:04.120
<v Speaker 1>going around. That's awesome the plotline as well. Yeah. Well,

1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:08.760
<v Speaker 1>hopefully our digital virtual fitness partners will keep us in

1:00:08.800 --> 1:00:13.400
<v Speaker 1>shape in the future. That's the hope fingers crest. Oh wait,

1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:17.240
<v Speaker 1>so Jonathan usually does some like talking out thing. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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