1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: a break? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? Ready 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. It's 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Wall 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: It is Thursday, October eleventh, twenty eighteen, Season fourteen, episode 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: number fifty eight. Welcome to another edition of The Break, 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: we've got a lot to talk about today. We're gonna 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: get into the injuries, make sure you guys are up 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: to date on what's happening there. We're gonna talk about 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: Alan Hearns and the comments that are swirling around him, 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: both from Jessina Anderson as well as what he said 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 1: in the locker room yesterday in response. And then we'll 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: also get into the Jaguars defense. Dave has a scouting 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: report for us, gonna tell us what's happening with that defense, 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: which maybe maybe the best unit in the NFL. We'll 19 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: talk about that. It might all right, we'll talk about 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: that in a little bit, but First, let's get into 21 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: the injury update. There were some interesting notes from the 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: injury update. I think we need to discuss a little 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,919 Speaker 1: bit the guys that did not participate yesterday, David Irving, 24 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, Shawn Lee, Joe Thomas. Let's first catch up 25 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: on David Irving. David, you were just out of practice. 26 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: Is he in the building today? Everybody that you just 27 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: listed except Joe Thomas is in the building and practicing, 28 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: and that includes Shawn Lee. Yeah you heard me. You 29 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: heard what I said. I mean, getting a little boisterous 30 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: something like at me. Always stay tuned for the injury 31 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: report to see what that means exactly, because you know, 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: going through patent go in the first fifteen minutes of 33 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,839 Speaker 1: practice does not mean that he's part of the game plan. 34 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: But Shun Lee's moving around, he's doing stuff. David Irving 35 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: is here, David Irving is at practice. Sean has been 36 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: watching those two rooms. Yeah, it's not fun when people 37 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: take your like, you know, you want to win games, 38 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: but it's kind of just saying you want to win games. 39 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: But it's kind of nice sort of when you're like, 40 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: oh they need me. Yeah. Yeah, But Sean's out there, 41 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: David Irving is out there. Um really, you know, I 42 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: thought about you immediately, which you know what you said 43 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: about David yesterday. You know, don't judge until you know 44 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: all the details. Will very interesting report about him in 45 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: the Dallas Morning News this morning saying what basically detailing 46 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: what he's been going through the last week, and it 47 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: sounds like a very contentious custody battle and just all 48 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: kinds of really unfortunate stuff that he's been having to 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: deal with. So makes a little more sense why he 50 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: hasn't been here. And as we know, when it comes 51 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 1: to kids, all bets off, you got to get the 52 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: kids taken care of first, right, I wouldn't know, but 53 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: you got Yeah. Well that's that's why he had mentioned 54 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: right before training him too, Yeah, yeah, that he was 55 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: having to deal with that and going to be batting 56 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: in the custody of his kid. So well seew that 57 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: goes beside, that goes. But for the moment, he is 58 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: back in the building, as Nick said, we'll see if 59 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: he's lining up on that first snap, yeah, or at 60 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: some point during that game, because until that happened, you 61 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: just don't know. He's been out for quite a while now. 62 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: Dealing with the suspension. It wasn't just this stuff. It 63 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: was a suspension, plus he miss training camp. There was 64 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that's been going on that's had 65 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: him out of commission for a while. I'm going to 66 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: clarify this because I got a few tweets about it. 67 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,839 Speaker 1: What I said yesterday was was figure it out. That's 68 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: what it needs to be figured out. And he's had 69 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: a lot of time to do that. And so, yeah, 70 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: I understand. I mean, I have kids. I get that 71 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: they trump everything. But what I'm saying is is you 72 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: also have an obligation. It doesn't mean it's first or second. 73 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: It just means that you do have an obligation for 74 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: your employer who's counting on you and your teammates, and 75 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: so you've had a lot of time. That's what that was. 76 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: There was a lot of time to figure it out. 77 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: And here we are. Didn't sneak up on anybody alto 78 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: you know, the fifth game of the season. So I 79 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: understand he's got a lot going on, and I don't 80 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: envy him for that, But I'm just saying what I 81 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: said was was he needs to get it needs to 82 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: get it all figured out. And I think that, you know, 83 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: it's easier said than none, you know, not judging him whatever, 84 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: but he has had a lot of time to do 85 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: that and the cowboys are hoping that he can get 86 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: things together. So for his sake, you know, because it's 87 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: one thing he can one way you can take care 88 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: of it. Sometimes that doesn't depend on you, that depends 89 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: on other people. So it's not like it's necessarily on 90 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: your own timing that it all just falls back on 91 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: him and his responsibility figure it out. And that's honestly, 92 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: that's what happened. Sometimes you get into these tough situations 93 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: where there is nobody at fault and you not know 94 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: that's that's saying. My wife always says, it ain't your fault, 95 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: but it's your problem there. You got to figure it 96 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: out because at the end of the day, you still 97 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: do have a responsible to figure it out. And that's 98 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: the hard part in all these kinds of situations, any 99 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: kind of situation you're dealing with with family, you still 100 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: got to figure it out. And like Nick said, I 101 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: don't envy him. I hope it all works out for him. 102 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: It looks like at this point of Lisa's back in 103 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: practice and hopefully hopefully everything on the other end, which 104 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: in opinion, is the more important thing. Everything on the 105 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: other thing on the other end, is at a point 106 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: that's manageable for him, so that he can't come back 107 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: to work and really be completely into work. And you know, 108 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: I'll say this, it's no different than Sean Lee with 109 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 1: an injury. Yeah, you can put Sean Lee on the field. 110 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: But if you can't run from A to B, you're 111 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 1: not helping me. And if David Irving isn't mentally right 112 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: to go out and play, even though you know he's 113 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: still thinking in his mind, is somewhere else that he's 114 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: really not going to help him either. So it's not 115 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: just the physical thing, it's a mental thing. So he's 116 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: got to be able to get both of those in order. 117 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about some of the limited participants yesterday. 118 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: Cheeto Bays, still dealing with the ankle injury, was limited, 119 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: Malie Collins with the knee was limited, Tyrn Smith limited 120 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: with an ankle, and then Tackle Charlton He's limited with 121 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: a thumb. And I'd heard a report that supposedly has 122 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: a cast. Now tell us what you know about that. 123 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: That's I mean, it's a benefit of being in the 124 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: building is you get to see that type of stuff. 125 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna wear it during the game, 126 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: but like these guys, these guys have stuff that they 127 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: used to help him get through the week all the time. 128 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: Like Daniel Ross had a splint that had like I 129 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: don't even know what it was, but it was like 130 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: he had a little carrying case that he was carrying 131 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: with him, like it was a stimulator or like um 132 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: sailing or something. I don't know, but like, you know, 133 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: and I was just like scary, what the hell? But 134 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: then you know he's fine and he plays on game day. 135 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: It's we see it because we're here. And what you know. 136 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: An interesting story about that something like that. It was 137 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: when Brandon Carr was still here and I saw him 138 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: in the hall one day and I just came up, 139 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, you give guy handshake whatever. I shook his hand. 140 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: He was like oh, and he just like almost fell 141 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: to the ground. He showed me his fingers fingers like 142 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,239 Speaker 1: swollen and just like it looked horrible. But he played 143 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: the week before and he was back out there playing 144 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: the next week. When you're not part of football, when 145 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: you're not getting interceptions like that's fine, you can do that, 146 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: but you might have knocked down a pass right. If 147 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: you're not doing that, you're fine. Not to Baltimore. Did 148 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: you go getting picked? Go ahead? True? No? Um but yeah, so, uh, 149 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: you know Jason Garrett kind of which, So the media 150 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: saw Tacos cast on Tuesday, You're like, oh, it's taco okay, 151 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: And somebody asked Garrett on Wednesday and like Garrett was 152 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: almost like incredulous, like yeah, no, he's gonna practice it 153 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, he's gonna play like it's fine. 154 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: So you know, it's not great when you call the 155 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: practice cast. It's not great when you need something like that, 156 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: it is. It's pretty common. I think Taco is gonna 157 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: be fine. Um, everybody you just listed was there today. 158 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: Cheeto was there. Yeah. I mean like a practice reporter 159 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: always tells the real story. Whether they're at the media 160 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: portion doesn't really mean anything, but they're all in uniform 161 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: doing something, which is a good sign. On a Thursday, 162 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: we do we ever really talk about cheet Obey and 163 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: what happened with him in that game. I got a 164 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: fan that just asked me like it or y'all gonna 165 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: talk about it, and I don't know that we ever 166 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: really kind of got into it from the standpoint of 167 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: what happened there during the game. Um, were there really 168 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: any any answers from the coaching staff about why they 169 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: felt like he couldn't play, because it's sounded like after 170 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: the game when we were when there was a whole 171 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: group interviewing him, it sound like what he was saying was, 172 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, I was well, I was willing to gut 173 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: it out. I wasn't great. I was one hundred percent, 174 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: but nobody in this locker room one hundred percent at 175 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: this point in the season. But I was told at 176 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: halftime basically that I'm They just they didn't think I 177 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: had it and they were gonna sit me. So did 178 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: the coaches ever talk about it? Well, I mean, Jason 179 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: Garrett had said after the game that his ankle was 180 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: bothering him all week, and so they decided to make 181 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: that decision. You know, Jordan Lewis was one hundred percent 182 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: because he hadn't done anything all season, so he was 183 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: a guy that was pretty healthy, and you know, I 184 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: think they looked at it and said, all right, cheeto 185 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: at sixty percent here is not better than Jordan Lewis 186 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: had a hundred right now. I don't think that meansicly 187 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: lost his job or anything like that, but you know, 188 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: you need to be at one hundred percent to chase 189 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins around the field, and even then you're probably 190 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: not going to stop him. So I think they went, 191 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, they said this, like you said, I think 192 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: there's like this isn't working. It was kind of weird 193 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: because when he was talking to the media after the 194 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: day and someone asked him whose decision was this, he 195 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: was all his answer was undisclosed. And just using that word. 196 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: I mean, when you think about an injury, that's nothing 197 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: bad for you to say, you know, my ankle was hurting. 198 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: I was put taken out of the game because of that. 199 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: But the way that it was said and then certain 200 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: things how it was perceived around. I know Christie Scale, 201 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: she is a sidelined reporter, and she is a she 202 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: is a great reporter. She does her job amazingly, and 203 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: she was giving some apparently wrung facts during the game 204 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: and then comes to find out later on that Jason 205 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: Garrett says, you know what, though I'm not to cut 206 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: you off, I think really why she was upset with 207 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: was the other way around. I think what I mean, 208 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: what she was being told was that wasn't injury related. 209 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but then then she finds out that it 210 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: was an injury related. There were certain things that just 211 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: makes it here's kind of weird. When a guy leaves 212 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: a game because of injury. There's a whole protocol for it, 213 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: like the Christie Scales of the word, get word on 214 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: what it is. They bring it up to the press box, 215 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 1: there's an announcement what it is, is he questionable? Is 216 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: he out? Whatever? Cheeto could have kept playing, which prevented 217 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: any of that from needing to happen, Like because essentially, 218 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: let's say that that you're saying, if if the if 219 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: Jordan goes out there and gets hurt, Cheeto's going back 220 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: in the game. He's not out of the game. He's not. 221 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: But don't you have to still report that and and 222 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: just say that his return is probable because we hear 223 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: that in the press box a lot too. No, I 224 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: don't know if what the exactly written protocol is, but 225 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: if so, he didn't leave, like he didn't have to 226 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: be helped off the field. They were just like, hey man, 227 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: you look a little gempy out there. We're worried about you. 228 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: We want you to sit where, you know, and so 229 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: you don't have to That makes sense, just like you 230 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: would make the call with anybody else, you would just 231 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: say and whatever the read, whatever the reason is, which 232 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: why wouldn't he answer on this close though, Like because 233 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: he's a cornerback. He's got pride and he doesn't want 234 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: to show and telling anyone that that he got you know, benched, 235 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: or that he's hurt for this one week. Yeah, and 236 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: he's still dealing with something and maybe to get to 237 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: get to the heart of it. If he gets through 238 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: this week of practice, okay, he's gonna be one of 239 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: your two outside corners. Like that. That's he didn't lose 240 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: his job here, know, and I agree with Amber that 241 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: it did seem a little strange the way it wins, absolutely, 242 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: but that but that also just makes me think that 243 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: he didn't necessarily think. Maybe he didn't agree with the 244 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: assessment that the coaches made. Maybe he thought, hey, I'm fine, 245 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: I can play, which you do expect players to say that, right, 246 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: But it sounded like he wasn't necessarily you know, it 247 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: was I was almost like, I have to reluctantly say 248 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: the party line. But I think I was able to 249 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: play fine, and yeah, that's at least the way I 250 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: took it, But who knows. Who knows if that was 251 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: dealing with a lot of things there. You're dealing with 252 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: the pride of a cornerback, which you know, you're also 253 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: dealing with Jason Garrett not trying to give away anything 254 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: what might happen this game. You're also dealing with the trainers, 255 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: and we we've dealt with them, sorry, the athletic trainers, 256 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: and we know that if they bring a player back 257 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: and he's not one hundred percent or for whatever it happens, 258 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: and you write about it or talk about it, or 259 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: anybody discusses anything about that, then that's a sensitive topic. 260 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: So you're dealing with a lot of things right there 261 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: that happened. I think the bottom line is if Chito's 262 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: ready to play, you know he'll He'll start. All right, 263 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: Let's let's go on. 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Slash Football. 311 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: Back to the Break, Welcome back. It's the second segment 312 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: of The Break, live from the SWBC Mortgage studios. At 313 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: the start, we have fun today, Let's keep it going. 314 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about this Jacksonville Jaguars defense in Dave. 315 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: This is gonna be a tough one. WHOA, Yeah, they're 316 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: good two nine two yards per game, one hundred ninety 317 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: one passing yards per game, best in the league, third 318 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: best scoring defense in the league, middle of the pack 319 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: against the run. But okay, I mean I think they're 320 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: they'll gladly, I think they'll gladly try to use their 321 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: personnel to shut down Ezekiel Elliott, knowing that Cowboys probably 322 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: won't be able to throw the ball very well against them. Um, 323 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: this is my main impression from watching the Jags is 324 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: I just think they're perfectly suited for the way you 325 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: need to play defense in the NFL today, which no 326 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: big surprise. Like they've had a ton of money and 327 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: a ton of draft picks to spend on these guys. 328 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: But um, they don't need to rush with more than 329 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: their front four because their front four is so good. 330 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: It hasn't been you know, they got the nickname Saxonville 331 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: last year. They haven't been that good so far this 332 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: year their middle of the pack. They got eleven sacks 333 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: so far. But Klai's Campbell, He's still doing his thing. 334 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: He's got the dessert right now. Right. He's limited, He's 335 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: he's limited, but like, okay, I'm not I'm expecting him 336 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: to play in this game. Um three sacks in five games, 337 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: seventeen and a half since he signed with the Jags 338 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: last year. Good got Yannick and Gagway h shouts out 339 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: the University of Maryland gotliness gonna get butchered into press 340 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: boxes were very very much so it's in ga k 341 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: o ue. So I don't even want to guess what 342 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: he's gonna say. Yeah yeah, Um twenty two career sacks 343 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: too so far this year, twelve last year, really solid bookends. 344 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: Malik Jackson is a hell of a three tech. They 345 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: gave him a Goba money after Denver won the Super Bowl, 346 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: and then why not trade for Marcel Darius who was 347 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: a top five pick to play nose tackle for you. Um, 348 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: so they don't use more than that to rush very often, 349 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: like a little bit, but not very Fowler's like not 350 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: even a big part of it. He was a first 351 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: round pick, Like what number? What? Overall three? He's third 352 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: on the depth chart, He's third between both Yeah, defensive, okay, 353 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: they are one of the defensive. They are using Taven Brian, 354 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: who was this year's first round pick, guy that the 355 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: Cowboys liked a lot um He was a tackle coming 356 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: out of college and I'm sure he'll play some tackle 357 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: at some point, but they're using it in him an 358 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: end right now to spell Campbell. But then, really, and 359 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: as good as those guys are, this is the gross part. 360 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: As good as those guys are, the back, the back 361 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: half of this defense is what really makes you envious 362 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: when you watch them, because they're so well suited for 363 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: the way the NFL likes to play these days. They 364 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: have two super freak athletic linebackers in Telvin Smith and 365 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: Miles Jack who never come off the field. They all 366 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: I never I saw him play bass like twice, Like 367 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: they don't need to because Kelvin Smith and Miles Jack 368 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: can do it all. Like they can cover guys out 369 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: of the slot. They can cover tight ends and running 370 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: backs depending on the receiver. They could probably run with 371 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: the receiver if they need to. Drafted fifth round, he 372 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: had he had some big character flags which have not 373 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: crop round. I thought he was a third round pick. 374 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: Kelvin Smith was drafted significantly later than Anthony Hitchins. Just OK, 375 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: yeah that draft. Um, he had him off the field 376 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: stuff that bumped him down, but it has not been 377 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he signed a second contract in Jacksonville. They're 378 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: gonna they're building this thing around him, at least at 379 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: that level. Um. And then obviously you got your DBS. 380 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: You got Jalen Ramsey, fifth overall pick. You got huh 381 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: so much to talk about there? Oh yeah, well we'll 382 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: get to that. I got Jalen Ramsey, got a j. 383 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: Boulle who they gave a gob of money too out 384 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: of Houston. Uh. He you know, Ramsey gets the headlines. 385 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: He's really really good too. He can do it all. Uh. 386 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: Tayshaun Gibson and Barry Church are your safeties, y'all. Remember 387 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: Barry time you should Tyler Patman. Tyler Patman doing what 388 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: He's your slot corner. Really, yes, he's still playing. He's 389 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: still playing. He's playing. Well, it's really yeah, I mean really, 390 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: he's the sixth dB. And and in a defense like this, 391 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: you can have some of those kind of guys that 392 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: look really good because he got such good players everywhere. 393 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: I want to I want to get to that one. 394 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: I finished. And then you have Ronnie Harrison out of Alabama, 395 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: who's or third safety. So that's that's six guys that 396 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: play a lot, and they all play because they're all interchangeable. 397 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: Like I just talk like these linebackers are so athletic, 398 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: like Miles Jack could probably play safety if he really 399 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: needed to for some reason. Well, Barry Church is basically 400 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: a big nickel. You saw him do that here some 401 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: but he's like he's essentially their third linebacker a lot 402 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 1: of the time, so is Ronnie Harrison. If they do blitz, 403 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: they typically blitz a safety off the edge. They love 404 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: to put safeties in the box and they'll flip flop them, 405 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: so like Barry Church will be playing center field with 406 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: Gibson up on the line one snap and then they'll 407 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: flip and they do it pre snap too, Like like 408 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: there's basically seven guys behind the line that can all 409 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: do a little bit of everything, and two corners can 410 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: lock it down. So like you look, you just kind 411 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: of have this nebulous glob of athletic players that move 412 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: everywhere they need to be before the snap and which 413 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: and the reason why I think it works so well, 414 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: this is a past happy league and they are well 415 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 1: suited to handle the past. They got three safeties who 416 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: can do it. They've got the best cornerback tandem in 417 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 1: the league and two athletic linebackers. So what aren't they 418 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: good at? They are very aggressive, and I wonder if 419 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: the Cowboys can use that against them. Smith and Jack 420 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: overrun things a lot because I think they are so 421 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: instinctive and they trust their athleticism so much. They definitely 422 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: can run themselves out of plays. Maybe some misdirection could 423 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: work there. And I don't think the safeties, specifically Barry 424 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: Church think we remember that. I mean, he's not a 425 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: cover safety, he's more of a hitter linebacker guy. So 426 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: maybe you can take advantage of that. Not trying to 427 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: win against these cornerbacks, I know that you've got to 428 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: be able to. I mean, if these linebackers can run, 429 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: then obviously you know they're not going to be as 430 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: strong as you would you would think. I mean, they 431 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: are super freak players, but you could, you know, I 432 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: would think if you can get the linemen on them, 433 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: and that's where you're going to have to do something with. 434 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 1: I mean, because if you try to run wide all 435 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: the all day long, I'll bet you those guys will 436 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: chase you down. You're gonna have to You're gonna have 437 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: to get to the second level and get Zack Martin 438 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: on Miles Jack or on what's the linebacker's name, Tlvin 439 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: Selvin Smith. Yeah, let me just look at Telvin Smith 440 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: and you you wouldn't if you just saw him, you 441 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't say that's a linebacker in the NFL. So as 442 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: fast as they are, you're gonna have to come back 443 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 1: that with running at him and trying to run over him. 444 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: And this team hasn't really been a good mauling type team, 445 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: but they're gonna have to get there. I trust, like 446 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: I trust Bramsey and Buller and Gibs into a degree 447 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: like they're gonna handle their thing. Church and Patman and 448 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: Harrison you see him, former Cowboys, Yeah, good point, former 449 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: Cowboys in the rookie yeah, good point. I didn't even 450 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: think about that. But everybody else is good. You see him, 451 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: You see him mess up there assignments from time to time. 452 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: You know, against Kansas City, like Sammy Watkins, it looked 453 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: like they were playing a deep zone and he literally 454 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: just like settled behind the safety and was like standing there. 455 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: Dude didn't even know where Walks was. So like, you 456 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: do see some breakdowns, but not not from the cornerbacks. 457 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: Which I'm curious about that because for so long it 458 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: was like, well, who's traveling with Dez? If Dez was 459 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: on this team, I bet Ramsey would follow him around. 460 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: He followed Tyreek Hill everywhere last week. He can do that, 461 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: but he doesn't need to for this team. I think 462 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: he's probably just going to camp out on the left side, 463 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: and whoever's over there's probably not gonna be a part 464 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: of the play, if I had to guess. So it's 465 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: I think it's about finding mismatches elsewhere. I think this 466 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: could be a big week for the tight ends. Well 467 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: could could being the variable word, like if they if 468 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: they're up for the challenge. But the way you talk 469 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: about the linebacker is that ain't an easy task either. 470 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: It sounds like there is no nothing's gonna be easy. 471 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: That's the you know, they lost to Kansas City thirty 472 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: to fourteen, and that's a different offense. Not well, not 473 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: only that, but like they didn't play bad. It was 474 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: it was ten to nothing late in the second quarter, 475 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: and that was after Blake Bortles had already thrown a 476 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: couple of red zone picks, and then I think they 477 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: give up a field goal. So like their worst half 478 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: of the year, they're down thirteen to nothing. Again, that's 479 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: after their offense had already squandered chances at points. And 480 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: then Bortles tries to set up a screen and throws 481 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: it right to the Kansas City defensive lineman for a 482 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: pick six, and they're they're down twenty to nothing through 483 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: no fault of their own, and it just got away 484 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: from him. I put that mainly on Bordles, Like, it's 485 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: not like Pat Mahomes was just zipping up and down 486 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, this was definitely the toughest outing for 487 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes that he's faced this season. Like he was 488 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: not running, moving the ball up and down the field 489 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: as he normally does, didn't throw a touchdown. I don't 490 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: believe I think he I mean he did, he ran, 491 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: he ran one, he finished I believe with no touchdowns 492 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: and a pick um. I mean, yeah, the score line 493 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: is a little bit misleading there. Um So, I just 494 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see I think you're gonna see 495 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: him in Nickel and even Dime on a regular basis. 496 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: Um So, in other words, what you're telling me is 497 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: it's really going to be dependent on the defense. If 498 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: the Cowboys win this game, it's going to be dependent 499 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: on their defense actually playing so well to where they're 500 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: getting turnovers to actually put them in position and or score. 501 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: That's how you have to beat this team. I'm sure 502 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: Brian said this on the other show, but he's I mean, 503 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: Blake Bortles is the great X factor in all of 504 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: this because you probably know what you're gonna get from Dak. Like, 505 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: he's not going to play as terrible as Bortles does. 506 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: He's probably not going to set the world on fire. 507 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: Bortles has the potential to just sink them, Like if 508 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: he plays the way he did in Kansas City, he 509 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: could absolutely just blow this game for them. Which so yeah, 510 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, if the Dallas defense can play 511 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: a really good game and hopefully get some takeaways. I 512 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: think that's their best bet because they're giving up seventeen 513 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: points per game. I can't imagine the Cowboys scoring more 514 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: than twenty that offensively, Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean 515 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: if they score more than twenty, it's gonna because they 516 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: got a defensive for special team's touchdown. Yeah, you would 517 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: think it maybe even less than that against the defensive 518 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: like that number probably is closer to about thirteen, I 519 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: would guess. I am curious, um. I think this defensive 520 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: line is a decent matchup for the Cowboys. Like Klai's 521 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: Campbell is gigantic, yesh, he's six seven, he's six eight 522 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: three hundred, or he's listed at six eight three hundred, 523 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: and it's really like it's the quicker, more athletically freakish 524 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: guys that give Tyrant Smith problems. So that seems favorable. 525 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: And then in Goguay is really good, he's at he's 526 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: more on the small side. It's weird, and Goguay plays 527 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: more on the left side and Campbell plays more on 528 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 1: the right side. But in Goguay is the small, smaller 529 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: of the two. You would think he would play on 530 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,239 Speaker 1: the right side. And they do flip flop, but they 531 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: usually stay where they're at, So I don't know. I 532 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: think as good as they are, I think this is 533 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: a much more favorable situation for Tyrant and Lyle Collins 534 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: than last week obviously, So maybe buy Dak some time. 535 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: Maybe if he's got more time to throw, he can 536 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: find some lanes against this secondary. But it's gonna be tough, 537 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: all right. Actually, I wanted to get into it. I'm 538 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: actually gonna save this till tomorrow. I wanted to do 539 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: some matchups, not really match up, some comparisons, because there 540 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: are two players on both of these teams that are 541 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: will be for the duration of their careers that will 542 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: be linked together. I'm talking about Jalen Smith Miles Jack 543 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: and I'm talking about Jalen Ramsey and Zeke Elliot. I 544 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna say that till tomorrow. We're gonna talk 545 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: about how you look at those two comparisons and what 546 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: the Cowboys did in selecting one versus the other, and 547 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: whether they maybe should have done the other. 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It is the final 600 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: segment of The Break live from the s WBC Mortgage 601 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: Studios at the Star. Uh. Dave just gave us a 602 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: good report on these guys on the Jacksonville defense. But 603 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: before we get back into our conversation, Nick, what you got? 604 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: I just got. Cowboys are playing Jacksonville this weekend three 605 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: twenty five at AT and T Stadium. Don't miss a 606 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: chance to be there. You can actually be in the building, 607 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: so you can go to Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 608 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: see how you can be there and experience that game live. 609 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: Hm hm hmmm, that'll be fun. If you've never got 610 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: in there that you really should give it a shot. 611 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: It's an experience regardless of what happens in the games. 612 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: It's an experience to go to at and T Stadium 613 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: for a game, so make sure you check it out. 614 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: I think we should do a bit where all of 615 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: us at some point in the building see what kind 616 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: of spot you can get if you've run in at 617 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: the party pass level. Just you go in random. You 618 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: gotta go incognito on Jersey you think you've never really 619 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: seen before, Like if I mean from our view, we're 620 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: in the press box, every thing's really quiet, and then 621 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they open the doors and people 622 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: literally are running. I mean they are like elbowing and 623 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: trying to get something. We should make Dave and film it. Well. 624 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: Dave just said that the one thing you're wanting to 625 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: get people there, you're not wanting to scare people away. Wow, 626 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: it's a friendly run into the stadium. Yes, first comfort served. 627 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: Pro tip. Excuse me, sir, as somebody who's watched that 628 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: happen one hundred times everybody makes for the end zone. Yes, 629 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: go around, go. You know, the standing room on the 630 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: twenty and the thirty is nowhere near as quick to 631 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: fill up as the end zone seats. Everybody just sprint 632 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: straight for those seats by the end zone or the 633 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,479 Speaker 1: one level up like everybody goes right where they are. 634 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: You can go one level up levels, I know, but 635 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: I'm saying the one level up is not a huge difference, 636 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: but you're gonna get right there. I like Dave's idea 637 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: because the difference between the video board in the end 638 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: zone different eighty yard screen versus twenty foot screen. They've 639 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: got that like a boomer Jack's right, Yeah, yeah, they 640 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: got a TV. Ye got that one at boomer Jack. 641 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: It's but the point is well made. We can have 642 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: a view of the biggest TV in the world or 643 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: a normal looking big screen tied for the biggest Well 644 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: who who now? Oh other side? Oh god? Yeah, he 645 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: tells all the times there's only one just like this, 646 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: really where the other side around the stadium? There you go, 647 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: all right, So let's get back into it. Um. I 648 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: do want to talk a little bit about Alan Hearns. 649 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: So Alan had a conversation with Josina Anderson, and it's 650 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: getting a point now where like she's breaking all this 651 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: kind of stuff like it's whenever a player say and 652 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: something that's gonna blow up to be something they don't 653 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: want blowing up. It seems like she's somewhere in the 654 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: mix because it was just something with Odell Beckham that 655 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: she did last week. I think it was last week. 656 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: If they don't want it to blow up, they're doing 657 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: a great job of tent like saying, hey, this is 658 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: how I feel. Honestly. Honestly, I honestly don't think that 659 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: Alan Hurns thought this was gonna blow up. I really 660 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: think he didn't think this was gonna blow up. And 661 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: it's even listening to what he said and we'll get 662 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: into what he said in the locker room, but listening 663 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: to that, I I don't think he really believed that 664 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: what he said was gonna blow up to be what 665 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: it ended up being. But let's let's get into it yet. 666 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: Before when he talked to Josina Anderson, basically the quote 667 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: was sometimes Dak is making the read, sometimes he's not. 668 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes the blocking is there, sometimes it's not. Sometimes Joe 669 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: it's the play calling. And then She pressed him on 670 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: that and asked him what an example of that, and 671 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: he talked about a play where there was an intersection 672 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: in the second interception in the Texans game where the 673 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: play call was deep basically deep curl routes against two men, 674 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: which means you got two guys deep. The corners know 675 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: they got help all the top, so they tend to 676 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: play play up, which means that if you're running curl routes, 677 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: they can jump the route. So he's basically saying that 678 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,959 Speaker 1: we had a horrible call. He said, He said as much, 679 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: this is a horrible call versus this defense. Obviously it 680 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: blew up. And then he goes in the locker room 681 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: yesterday and obviously the media wants to get give him 682 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: an opportunity to clarify. And Ken, I think you have 683 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: that audio of what he said yesterday in the locker room. 684 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: Can you play at for us? I didn't question. You know, 685 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: everyone knows that's not a good play call verse two men. 686 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: You know what's so unfortunate for us? You know that 687 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: was the only snap for two man, so he was 688 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: just an unfortunate situation. But I ain't question of pay. 689 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: Have you heard from the staff about this comments that 690 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: you made. As far as all that, you know, it's 691 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: pretty much people outside of here that talks about it. 692 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: No one they really talks about the inside. Do you 693 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,959 Speaker 1: feel like that statement's made? But there were a lot 694 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: of other comments that you made about this offense that 695 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: how did you talking about? Look, she'll be the blame 696 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: in some situations, like do you feel like there was 697 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: not full context given when that statement was made? I mean, 698 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: probably Sol, you know, But far as me, it's not like, um, 699 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: I'm just coming out saying a statement. You know, if 700 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: people ask the question and I tell them how it is, 701 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not doing anybody under the bus, you know. 702 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: But as far as me, I'm just gonna telling how 703 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: it is, real, real, well love it for real and 704 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: then for real for what I don't like about the 705 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: first part of that, which I wasn't that kind of paraphrased, 706 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: But so seeing the Anderson yea, she paraphrased what he 707 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: was saying on a show that she was doing well, 708 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 1: then that's a problem because if if Alan Hearn said, 709 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: sometimes it's Dak not making the right read. Sometimes it's 710 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: the offensive line right, Sometimes it's the blocking. Sometimes it's 711 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: not yeah, and then sometimes it's the play calling, right, 712 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: he said, sometimes it's the receiver. Later, when when was 713 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: that what you're seeing? A paraphrased it whatever. Okay, well 714 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: that's what you left out there. I mean I didn't 715 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: hear that part. I'm just saying, yeah, and that wasn't 716 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: in the in that part of the quote. It was 717 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: later when she mentioned the white receiver part. Yeah, that's 718 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: not as fun as not as fun, that's exactly right, 719 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,439 Speaker 1: and that's that's why you paraphrase it. But that's also 720 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: reason you paraphrase is to get it the way you 721 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: want it to sound right, and sometimes you have to. Sorry, 722 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: sometimes you have to do that because the way the 723 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: players all over the map or what Jerry or somebody 724 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: is all over the place, and you kind of need 725 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: to paraphrase it. But in that in that sense when 726 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: you don't include yourself right there, I mean he needs 727 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: to say that sometimes our guys don't don't get open. 728 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: Sometimes when they do, they you know, push the ball 729 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: up in the air and let anyone intercept it. So 730 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: it's all of them. But I mean, I thought he 731 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: did a nice job yesterday or of clarify, and he 732 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: didn't back down. He didn't like the play call, he 733 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: doesn't have to like it. Yeah, But that's also the thing. 734 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: That's why I don't think when I said, I don't 735 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: think he really thought this was going to blow up, 736 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: is because when you listen to the whole context of 737 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: what he said, and as he mentioned yesterday, like like, 738 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 1: it was much more than just saying the play caller 739 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: was the problem. He was saying, we got blocking issues 740 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 1: at times, we got passing issues at times, we got 741 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: receiver issue at time, and sometimes the play calling is 742 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: not right. Right. Guess what, those are probably the four 743 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: things that have to go in every offensive place. So 744 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: if you're a team that's two and three, you're gonna 745 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: have some problems probably, and all of those four things 746 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: at some point that helped you get to two and three. 747 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: So I honestly believe he thought he was just making 748 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: a really bland statement by saying, yeah, all these different 749 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: things have to share the blame and what's going wrong offensively. 750 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: He didn't expect it to blow up like that. But 751 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: it does because because what you do is you pick 752 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: through what you like you and you pull that out 753 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: and then you paraphrase it in a certain way and 754 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: if you can actually listen to what we heard, you 755 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: can kind of see that that that reporting was also 756 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: getting dissected by another reporter who does a very similar thing. 757 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: So I mean you can there's a lot going on 758 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: with that whole whole thing. And I don't think Alan 759 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: Hearns thought what he said was a big deal. But 760 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: you know, and really it isn't. It isn't a big deal. 761 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: But as long as you include yourself in that too, 762 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: you know, And I think he did later he did 763 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: when he talked about it yesterday, he said, well, that's 764 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: I mean going yeah, which I came I came away 765 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: from my main impression as I'm just impressed with Alan 766 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: Hearns as a person, like he taught. He stood up 767 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: and talked after the game, and then he talked again 768 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, right, and then he talked to Jessina and 769 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: then they came back and pressed him to clarify that, 770 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: and he talked again, like so kudos to him for 771 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: not shying away. I don't know that everybody would have 772 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: done that. Um, we want these guys to be honest, 773 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: and when they are, then then they get ripped sometimes. 774 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: And he said, it's not a good play call. That's okay. 775 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 1: I mean that that's okay. But some stories that probably 776 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: they aren't very good. There's some that aren't very good. No, no, 777 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: I mean two thousan thirteen. I think I wrote one, 778 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: and then maybe two thousand and seven. Kidding, I was 779 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 1: about to say that one was really No, No, I'm 780 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: just saying, I mean when it when it's bad, it's bad. 781 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: I mean sometimes it is, and and that's okay. I 782 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,439 Speaker 1: mean you want players to have, you know, thick skin. 783 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: Same with coaches. Bad play call. He'd talked on Sunday, 784 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: and he also was like, I specifically said, like I 785 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: include myself in that, like we left plays on the 786 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: field in that game, and we can't do that. So yeah, 787 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I don't know what to 788 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: make of it. It's yeah, he's like, I don't question 789 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: the play call, but publicly saying that it's a bad 790 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: play is kind of questioning the play call. But here's 791 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: my thing. The way he describes it, I don't honestly 792 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: think that it was the play call. It was the problem. 793 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: Well that to me, the problem is nobody audibled out 794 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: of it, because think about it, when you're calling in 795 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: a play you don't know how the defense is gonna 796 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: line up, yet you make the play call. Yeah, and 797 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 1: then they see and what he said is in the 798 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: pre snap reads, we saw that that was not what 799 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: they were doing at that point. It has to be 800 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: on the quarterback to change the play and that or 801 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: you're just going to run right into it, right straight up. 802 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: Like during the course of this media cycle, like I've 803 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: had three or four conversations, it's like it's Tarns calling 804 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: out Lenahan or is he calling out Dak Prescott, which 805 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: it's I mean, but around and I don't know the 806 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: answer to this, So therefore I'm not I'm not, you know, 807 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: trying to defend anyone. But let's just say that earlier 808 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: in the game, you your head coach throughout a challenge 809 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: for a play that absolutely was not going to get over. 810 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: This happen and they just wanted to do it, even 811 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: though the ball hit him probably in the leg because 812 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: it bounced off of Tevan's hands, but you challenged it anyway, 813 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: So what does that mean? No time out? Then in 814 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: that play, let's just say I don't know this, but 815 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: let's just say that that the call comes in, that's loud, 816 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: you can't hear it. All of a sudden, it's ten 817 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: seconds to go. What are you gonna call another time 818 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: out because you don't really love this play or you're 819 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: gonna have to just kind of do it. So I'm 820 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: not blaming Dak for that. I'm not defending him. I'm 821 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: just saying there's more to it sometimes than you get 822 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: a play call. You're doing it the guys lined up, 823 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: you know, That's what Romo's issue with Dez half the 824 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: time was getting him from over here and over here. 825 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 1: That's all fair, but in that scenario you paint it, 826 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: I still take the time out, even if I was 827 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: already down one, I still take that time out because 828 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: exactly what happened is what can happen when you know 829 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 1: you got a horrible play versus the defense that you see, 830 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: it's better to take the time out there there. It 831 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: comes full circle this morning when Jason Garrett's like, I 832 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: don't agree with that. I mean, there's you know, some 833 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 1: plays work better against certain coverages than others, but we 834 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: have run that play against that coverage successfully in the past. 835 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: So who is what? I well know and yeah, you 836 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,760 Speaker 1: got to execute better. Yeah, and what kind of cornerback 837 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: is out there too, like probably not to probably not 838 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: gonna do that this week against Jacksonville. Probably Thompson's career 839 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: high twenty three catches right ever in his career in 840 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: a season. So I mean, I'm just saying he's not 841 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna go and fight and win and 842 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: all that stuff. I'm sure Matt Bryan doesn't like every 843 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: play he sees, and there's times where the guy's not 844 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: really open, but he sees number eleven. He's gonna take 845 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: his chances. But you know, that's one of the criticisms 846 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: that you hear, at least from fans that I hear 847 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 1: a lot of Dak versus Romo is that obviously we 848 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: knew Romo. Romo managed the game. And now what I 849 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: mean by that is they called a play in, but Romo, 850 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: we know, did what he was gonna do when he 851 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: went out there, he saw the defense, he made adjustments. Now, 852 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: maybe that's once you get a little bit farther into 853 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: your career and you really have seen so much to 854 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: where you really can make those kind of determinations, then 855 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: coaches trust you to be able to do that. Maybe 856 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,320 Speaker 1: Dad's not at that point yet. But that is a 857 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: stark contrast, I think, at least how fancy it from 858 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: watching the games and they first, it's a big problem 859 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: that what this offense has right now, because I feel 860 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,240 Speaker 1: that you can't really trust anybody. Your receiver can trust 861 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: your quarterback. Your quarterback can trust the receiver, or trust 862 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: the play calling to a certain level, because, like you mentioned, 863 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: Romeo had the ability to hear what the coaches were 864 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: saying but then make his own decision based on what 865 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: he was seeing on the field. Dad doesn't have that 866 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,720 Speaker 1: kind of experience or that kind of voice or power 867 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: to do so just yet. So there's just a lot 868 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: and when you hear the players, and this is nothing 869 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: new as far as doubting the play calling, I was 870 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: hearing this from players last year. Obviously I don't go 871 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: around telling people, but this is something I was already 872 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: hearing last year. And you still got going on and 873 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 1: you still aren't able to find ways to solve it. 874 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,800 Speaker 1: And like I mentioned yesterday, this is where Jason Garrett 875 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: take charge, make the decisions that you think you need 876 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: to make. I mean, your job is on the line 877 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 1: right now, and everybody knows it. I'm sure he knows it. 878 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: So it's not like let's just oh yeah, everything's good here, 879 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: guys are when he makes a mistake. There what Dave 880 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: was saying about that call, it's like, just admitted. It's 881 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: okay to admit your wrong. So I get more respect 882 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: out of that than you just standing there saying well, 883 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: we've done that before and it works against those defenses. No, 884 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 1: just admit it. So there's just no trust all the 885 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: way around in the whole offense. The only person I 886 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: trust is a secular Elliott. But I will say this. 887 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: I will say this, and I saw this about that stage. 888 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: I say this serious, I know right. I will say 889 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: this though. I saw on Twitter yesterday your co host 890 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: from Cover four, Jesse Alli, he said something I thought 891 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: fitting really well with that. He said, this is what 892 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,879 Speaker 1: happens in the locker room where there's losing, because what's 893 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: tends to happen if you're winning. Guess there's still probably 894 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: guys that don't necessarily agree with this play call and 895 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: necessarily agree with this play call, but you're winning, and 896 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: so nobody has a reason to say it. It's the 897 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: same reason why why at Monday we had the show 898 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: that we had, and if the Cowboys would have been 899 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: able to convert that fourth and one and go on 900 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: to win that game, we would have had a much 901 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: different conversation. When you're winning it, you just kind of 902 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: sweep all the bad under the rug and you don't 903 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: worry about it. When you're losing, you're looking for every 904 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: reason why you're losing, and that's when all that stuff 905 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 1: gets exposed. We spent forty five combined seconds talking about 906 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: the stupidity on the goal line against Detroit not giving 907 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: the ball to barely talked about it because they would 908 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: have lost. Though if they would have lost, it might 909 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: have been a whole show. We would have been a 910 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: whole show. Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys joining 911 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: us for back tomorrow. We're gonna wrap up this thing 912 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,320 Speaker 1: and let you guys know what's going to happen to 913 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: squeak in Cowboys versus Jaguars. 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