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Speaker 1: you having all the time, Craiz. You know, you know

639
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: it's it's because we've We've had some dramatic good moments

640
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: on the show, you know, so this is gonna be

641
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: one of the first time we're gonna be up. You

642
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: have fun, you know, and because your books, man, are

643
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: always motivating, but they're also so honest, man, because you're

644
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: so authentic and you and I won't use the word deep,

645
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: but you're just telling the truth. And sometimes when you

646
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: tell the truth, it doesn't always have a smile on it.

647
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: So why why, that's why, why is there so much

648
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: that high level of authenticity when you're telling stories, especially

649
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: the written word, you know what it is? I think

650
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: I want people to experience freedom, and sometimes, you know,

651
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: you gotta show off your scars for other people to

652
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: realize that healing is possible. So so I want to

653
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: be vulnerable so people can see, like, oh, those are

654
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: some of the wrong terms you made, so I don't

655
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: have to make them, you know, and then they can

656
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: make the right terms. And that's how we grow, and

657
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: that's how we learn. Well, I know that I've learned.

658
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: I always tell people I wake up dumb. I tell

659
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: people I wake up dumb, so I can be willing

660
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: to accept information because you wake up thinking you know

661
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: it all then guess what. You ignore the the truth

662
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: a lot of ways because you you feel that I

663
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: got that, you've heard that phrase, well I got that.

664
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: I got that. The people wave you off and that

665
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: can be a mistake a lot of times because a

666
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: lot of people can provide information and you've always, through

667
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: your music been an outlet for information. Uh, whether it's

668
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: on tour, whether it's in your lyrics, whether it is

669
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: as a mentor. Talk about that responsibility in the craze

670
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: because it takes you down emotionally a little bit, because

671
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: we've been there on our interviews how I can take

672
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: you down. But that's a responsibility you're not running from, right, No,

673
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean you know, I just know what it's like

674
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: to not have those mentors, to not have those voices

675
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: to help me when I'm navigating stuff. And so if

676
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: I can help people avoid those pitfalls, then then I

677
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: want to do it. And plus that's just part of

678
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: being a leader. That's that's part of you know, the

679
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: mantle that I wear. You know, Uh, everybody says, well,

680
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: I ain't no leader. You're leaders if you if you

681
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: ahead of somebody, if somebody's behind you, with somebody's following,

682
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: you're leading whether you want to or not. So somebody's

683
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: always watching you, so you're always leading. So it's just

684
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: you know, for me, it's like, all right, well, let

685
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: me just take responsibility and uh and just try to

686
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: help people so that that they're seiling, my ceiling is

687
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: their floor, right. You know the interesting thing about it

688
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: when I look at the Craig because I'm a former entertainer,

689
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, left IBM pursue the careers to standard comedian.

690
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: So I've been on stage in front the twenty thousand people,

691
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 1: I've been on stage in front the five thousand people,

692
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: four thousand, three hundred people. There's a certain rush you

693
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: get when you get that. And now that he's a businessman,

694
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: there's a certain rush he's getting for that. But it's

695
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: not like what I saw when I saw him in Houston.

696
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: Text that that artist that captivated my spirit and I

697
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: didn't even know who you were man, So fueling that

698
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: live performance energy that you get there and now being

699
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: a business person, how you're navigating both emotions look crazy

700
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: that you know what it is. And I just like winning.

701
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's addicted to winning and conquering something and

702
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: seeing something in front of you and you know, having

703
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: a vision, having a dream and being able to accomplish it.

704
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: You know, I like accomplishing goals, and so when you're

705
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: connected with a person through music, you feel like you're

706
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: accomplishing the goal. And at the same time, when you

707
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: make a business decision or strategy and you see it work,

708
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: you feel like you're accomplishing a goal. And so that

709
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: that's that's the part that's addictive and inspiring for me,

710
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, the front part about it when people come

711
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: on my show, because you know, I I do my research.

712
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: You know that people sent me a little by over.

713
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: I want to because I think that the word people

714
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: to use is your flowers, you know, showing you your

715
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: blessings and so so because a lot of times we

716
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: just grind because you're grinder. I know that for a fact.

717
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: Every time I talk to you, grinding, like to you

718
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: grinding with experience right now, Well protect the bag, you know,

719
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: and then next time I talk to you're gonna be

720
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: might be the third book we're talking about, but be

721
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: acting in a series, because that's show. That's show. M

722
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: oh And that's a positive. Folks. Don't don't get me wrong,

723
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: because a lot of people say oh, he do too much.

724
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the man long this guard allows

725
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: you to be alive. You're supposed to do too much

726
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: because there's no time on when you might not be here.

727
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: I always tell people I'm over fifty. I say I'm

728
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: on the downside of dying, and I tell people that, Hey,

729
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: but I ain't gonna live to it, you know, so

730
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: I can't ain't got too many more years I can

731
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: put in me. But that's an honest talk, lok Craig, Okay,

732
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that as a defeatist, but the

733
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: realization is, I'm gonna put my time in when I

734
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: talk a lot, Craiz, I'm gonna put my time in

735
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: talking to you. So you're younger at me. Why are

736
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: you putting so much time in the crank man? Because

737
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: the folks like you this the knowledge you're kicking And

738
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, shoot, that's perspective. Let me go.

739
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: And then you know, I have been fortunate. You know,

740
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: I bought a building um near downtown Atlanta, and the

741
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: gentleman who sold me the property, I was like, man,

742
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: why are you selling me this property at this price?

743
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: You know, because it was a really good price for

744
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: what he was selling it to me. And he said

745
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: something very similar. He said, you know, man, I'm upwards

746
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: and seventy years old, and I'm not I've made my money.

747
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: I want to enjoy it. You know, I'm not gonna

748
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: be here for another ten years or twenty years to

749
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: see this property turnover and make double what I sold

750
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: it to you for. So it's no point in me

751
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: holding onto it. And he said, you got time, and

752
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: so maximize your time. You hold onto it, you develop it,

753
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: and you got twenty years to see it come to

754
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: fruition to where you can take that money and go

755
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: enjoy it. And so I was like, man, that's inspired.

756
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: It's a perspective I've never had. So, man, I gotta yeah,

757
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: while I'm here, let's go well, you know, because you know,

758
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: I bought a building Atlanta, just like you, and I

759
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: just want to put people in perspect her about that,

760
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: because you know the CRAI because you don't have to.

761
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: I've leased at different places, I have places that we worked,

762
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: I had places in spaces and so multiple offices. But

763
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: when you tell people just like he just said that

764
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: casually I bought the building, man, people ain't ready for

765
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: that if you could. People know you can buy a house,

766
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: they know you can buy a call, they know you

767
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: can buy airline ticket. But when you tell people you

768
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: bought the building the crate, they look at you a

769
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: little bit different, don't that. And that's a beautiful thing

770
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: because that's what as minorities, as people of color, we

771
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: gotta have that as part of our vernacular. So it

772
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: won't feel strange. It won't feel strange that, you know,

773
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: we're invested in stock. It won't feel strange that we

774
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: have portfolio financial portfolios. And that leads us back to

775
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: why you really came on the show today protect the bag?

776
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: How did you come about it? You know experience, you

777
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: know get your credit scores, there's a financial education company.

778
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: How did you get into the whole process with Experience? Yeah,

779
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: So the back story is that I was getting offered

780
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: a lot of um, you know, opportunities to be in films,

781
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: and I didn't understand the film industry. So I said,

782
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: let me back up. And when I learned a little bit,

783
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: I said, let me start my own production company. And

784
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: once I had a production company, UM Experience had reached

785
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: out and said, hey, we like you to host something

786
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: for us. Can you do you know any creative production

787
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: companies that would be able to pull it off? And

788
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: I said, I sure, do you know what? I have

789
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: one of mine? And you know, I was like, this

790
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: is this perfectly aligned because my production team and myself,

791
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, my partner and I have been really heavy

792
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: on trying to close this this this wealth gap. And

793
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: so obviously experience has some desires. They want to educate

794
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: people on credit, and then I have some desires. I

795
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: want to see, you know, the black community understand the

796
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: power of the dollar, the power of our dollar, and

797
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: um how to protected and how to you know, invest it.

798
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: And so those things aligned and we work together to

799
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: create something that would continue teaching people about how to

800
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: invest and protected their money. Now and you know the

801
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: whole thing about invest in protecting. Like I said, you know,

802
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm older than you. So I've I've spent money that

803
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have spent. But guess what I had it.

804
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: You know, I've had an extra car I couldn't drive,

805
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: but I had it. And so but one thing I

806
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: did have there ever, since I was eighteen, I understood

807
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: my credit. I've protected it. I held don't do it, man,

808
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: I I understood what a credit card meant for just

809
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: somewhere in my mind, my DNA and my process said

810
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: credit was important to me, and it's always sustained me

811
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: through my whole life. It's been my badge of my

812
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: badge of authenticity, my badger be would tell you my

813
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: credit scores over eight hundred and and then I don't

814
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: even blink. Now, you know, people go, oh, why you

815
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: got good? Yeah, I'm a twenty. I average a twenty

816
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: on the regular basis, and so that's that's something I

817
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: brag about. So when you're trying to do protect the bag,

818
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: how do people get involved with the whole process besides

819
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: viewing it? Okay, because we see so many commercials now

820
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: about you know, how they can raise your score real quick,

821
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 1: you know, but there's a process to that, and that's

822
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: what the serious is all about, correct, right, absolutely, Yeah,

823
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really beginning to take some steps, and

824
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: we're giving people casual steps to take, you know, telling

825
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: people to put their money to work for them, you know,

826
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: treat your money like it's an employee. Um. Also telling

827
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: people to to not see credit as as consumption but

828
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: see it as capital. How can your credit UM, Like

829
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: if you have a credit card or whatnot, how is

830
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: that building something instead of just consuming you If you're

831
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: just consuming money, UM, it's not building your credit. If

832
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: you if you have credit with the intention of building

833
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: it so that you can do more things. That's a

834
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: different mindset to have. UM. Te people to pay their mortgage,

835
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, twice a month. Just split the mortgage payment

836
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: in half, and what that does is that drives the

837
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: interest down that you ended up having to pay. UM

838
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: and just simple principles that people can learn to help them.

839
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: Teaching people to pay a little bit more on certain bills, UM,

840
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 1: and just helping them understand what it means to even

841
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: establish credit, because some folks don't even have credit. They think,

842
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to touch it because I don't I

843
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: don't want no credit. I don't want no problems with it.

844
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: But you have to establish it in order to have

845
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: good credit. Right now, But let's go back a little

846
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: bit before we because you in order to have a

847
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: conversation about being successful, then get going. There's a level

848
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: of respect because you know, you just can't just start

849
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Speaker 1: talking about having good credit or talking about people unless

850
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Speaker 1: you have a successful track. I mentioned some of those things,

851
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, three million copies and number on the artists

852
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Speaker 1: both from Gospel and be all board. But then to

853
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Speaker 1: be an employer that responsibility, you know, understanding HR, understanding

854
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Speaker 1: the health plan, understanding all these little things. Top. Let's

855
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: walk through these steps because we mentioned three companies and

856
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: I want to talk about those three companies because that

857
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: has played a role, and you being the expert voice. Oh,

858
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: protect the bag because people need to understand that, because

859
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: they will see you as an artist, and I think

860
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: that's disrespectful in a lot of ways because yes, your

861
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: famous name got you here, but it's your your entrepreneurial

862
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: and your business acuum. It has allowed us to listen

863
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: to you take this advice. Reach you reach your Reach Records,

864
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: talk about that. Yeah, so Reach Records is an independent label.

865
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: Um we are going on. Uh man, I've been doing

866
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: this since I was a kid, you know, coming out

867
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Speaker 1: of college. And so you know that's that's over fifteen

868
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: years of of running a successful label. Um. You know,

869
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: by God's grace, we have always been profitable. And that's

870
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: just a beautiful thing. Um. One of the things that

871
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: I would say is is, uh, I realized early on

872
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: that I was not gonna sit around and wait for uh,

873
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: somebody to embrace what I was doing. I was just

874
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: gonna do it myself. If nobody believed in it, then

875
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: it's just let's just do it ourselves, you know. Um

876
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: So I remember creating products and and and albums and

877
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: people are like, well, it's a little too you know,

878
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: street for the church, a little to church for the street.

879
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: There's not really a lame for you. Fine, I create

880
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: my own land. And that's what we did because I

881
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: knew there were other people like me who you know,

882
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: would have appreciated what I did. And so we've been

883
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: running the label and we made some decisions early on

884
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: that really protected us and helped us. And we're brown,

885
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: you know, we were young when we started, and we've

886
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: just had to grow over the years. And now, like

887
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: you said, we got over ten artists and just learning

888
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: how to take care of them and learning how to

889
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, teach them, and I'm just trying to continue

890
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: to pass that on. And then one thing I will

891
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: say is, yes, I've learned a lot. My acumen has risen,

892
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: But one of the best things I've learned is to

893
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: staff my weaknesses. You can't be good at everything. And

894
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: so if you know you're not good at it, staff

895
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: that person and put them in a position to help

896
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Speaker 1: you achieve what you want to achieve. You know, you

897
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: didn't have a name on this, you said, a co

898
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Speaker 1: own of a major film studio. Yes, okay, keep the name.

899
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: We can talk about that and we're gonna keep that

900
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Speaker 1: a mystery. And just say your co owner of a

901
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: major film studio. I mean you know, you know that

902
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Speaker 1: I would go let that slide that. You know, I

903
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Speaker 1: got all these titles, but I get to that one

904
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Speaker 1: co own off a major film studio. Yeah, so that

905
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: I mean that, you know that was really just um,

906
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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to put it. Put that

907
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: one to you. You know, I guess for me, that

908
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: wasn't that wasn't not my agenda. Um, it was more

909
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: so knowing the right people and that it put me

910
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: in a unique position, um to be a part of

911
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: an investment deal. And m and I said, wait a minute,

912
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: is this a reality? You know it is? It is

913
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: this film studio, which will remain name with I don't

914
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: want to put it out there, but um, you know

915
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Speaker 1: there was a film studio that has produced a lot

916
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Speaker 1: of big films, um films that we all know and

917
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Speaker 1: love and UH. And you know, I had a friend

918
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: who who said, Hey, I'm about to UH there's a

919
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: portion of ownership that is not available right now that's

920
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: now made available. And I don't want to take it

921
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: all on myself. I don't want to take all of

922
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: it on I was. I'm giving it to you as

923
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: an opportunity. And let me tell you something. I'm literally

924
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: the I'm literally the only African American UH owner within

925
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: that group. And so that in and of itself is

926
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: amazing to me. You know, congratulations. But I had to

927
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: teach you on that because I do. I knew that

928
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Speaker 1: was a lack of a title left for a reason,

929
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Speaker 1: but I had to pool as much information I can

930
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Speaker 1: get out of you. But I want to slide over

931
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Speaker 1: to the you know when you made that bold statement

932
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Speaker 1: to Experience that do you know a company that can

933
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: produce this for us? And that's what what's about to

934
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: slide right now. Three Strange Films. That's the production company,

935
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: that's your production company. Tell me about that and how

936
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Speaker 1: did the production actually work to produce this series for

937
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Speaker 1: Experience Call of Protective Back that's on YouTube. Yeah, so UM,

938
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Speaker 1: three strand film. As I said before, UM, somebody, a

939
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: major UH director had come to me and said, I

940
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: want to make a movie about your life. And I

941
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Speaker 1: didn't know anything about what that. Man. I didn't understand

942
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: the points. I didn't understand the royalty system, I didn't

943
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: understand the contracts. And so I had to go meet

944
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Speaker 1: with a UM an attorney who was in the film industry,

945
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: and it was like, man, this is a lot of

946
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: heavy lifting. I'm coming from the music industry and I

947
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: just don't want to be I know how artists get

948
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: taken advantage of, and I don't want to be taking

949
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: advantage of in the film industry. And so the more

950
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: I studied, the more I realized that this might be

951
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: something we can do on our own. You know, no

952
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: one can tell our stories better than we can. And

953
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: so so UM one of my good buddies was a

954
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: director and he had been doing a lot of independent films,

955
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, man, why don't we partner up

956
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: and UM and create You know, we even known each

957
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: other since you know, our college days. Let's partner up

958
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: and create a production company. And so we started small.

959
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: We started producing a few music videos, and then from

960
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: music videos, to some small documentaries and then that moved

961
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: on to um our first UH major project, which is

962
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: a film we're working on now. But um but the

963
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: experience thing came across my plate and I was like, Hey,

964
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: we got the capacity and the talent, let's do it right.

965
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: Whether that that's that's a beautiful thing because of the

966
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: fact that you know, we have to control our stories

967
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: and we're in the era or now you're in the

968
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: era down with streaming outlets of u uh in the

969
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: demand for content from black people, people of color, African

970
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: Americans now. But we're talking about Protector bag. You know,

971
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts were not because dorn main conversation,

972
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: that's all I talk about trying to close that gap.

973
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: I bring all type of c p as, accountants and

974
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: motivational people like you on the show. But there's a

975
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: wealth disparity out there that exists to long racial lines.

976
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts and what is your role in

977
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: trying to close that disparity? Yeah, for me, part of

978
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: it is education, right, so we can't close that gap

979
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: without education and and then helping us understand the power

980
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: of our dollar. So African Americans, the black community represents

981
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: one point for trillion dollars in buying power. And what

982
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: that means for anybody who doesn't understand what that means

983
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: is that means we have one point for trillion dollars

984
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: that we can put anywhere we want. And so people

985
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: are competing for our dollars, and we are not putting

986
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: our dollars back into ourselves. We're not investing in ourselves,

987
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: and so our money goes right into our pockets and

988
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: into another community. And so that hinders black businesses from thriving,

989
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: That hinders um our kids from having their college paid for,

990
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: That hinders um you know, us investing. Another thing is

991
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: is the beauty and healthcare. You know, we represent four

992
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: cent of the population, but represent of beauty purchases, but

993
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: only one percent of the stock market. Now, how is that?

994
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: That's That's the type of disparity that I feel like

995
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,479
Speaker 1: we need to have education on and and begin to

996
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: to take some steps and some strides. A lot of

997
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: people say, you know, uh, well, we should buy black, Yes,

998
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: but we should also invest and we should also um

999
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: figure out how to do good business. And we should

1000
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: also if we're gonna buy black, let's create businesses that

1001
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: are good businesses and have good business models and business

1002
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: plans and help each other through that so that that

1003
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: this thing can be more sustainable long term. Right right now,

1004
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: you can catch the series Protect the Bag every Tuesday

1005
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: on YouTube seven pm Eastern Tender Standard time, all the

1006
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: way to December four. Team the Cray I know you

1007
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: now it's on YouTube now, okay, now you that are

1008
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: we on? One day I'll be looking at MSNBC, CNBC

1009
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: LA Craig Well Protective and hosted by Lacre with what's

1010
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: going on here? Brother? It's always a starting point with you,

1011
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: because the starting point ain't always to finish with you.

1012
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: I have I'm on the ride, I'm enjoying the ride

1013
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: and always always, always humble. But that might just clicking.

1014
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: He would tell you somebody the Craiz, the craw don't

1015
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: get in with the small expectation. He looks at the

1016
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: opportunity and he's a visionary. And if you know a visionary,

1017
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: a visionary always looks at the long the long run.

1018
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: You know that's important. If you see a penny, he's

1019
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: looking around where nicolet on the ground. It's most of

1020
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: it what PENNI is the Nicholson place, because that's how

1021
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: it's mind thinks and so don't be shocked. So capture

1022
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1023
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Speaker 1: Protective Bag, Achieve Me Right Now on YouTube is hosted

1024
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: by my man Lucrai. You know he's been successful. He's

1025
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, he's a he's an owner of a very

1026
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: secret but popular major film studio that one day you

1027
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: know you're gonna pop out there, you know, And I'm

1028
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: gonna say bringing back on the show. You could have

1029
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: told me that, big dog, come on now. But again,

1030
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: l Craix, we're both in Atlanta. I'm gonna dropped by man,

1031
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: come by my officers and come by your building. Man,

1032
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: are your blessing brother, And I always appreciate you taking

1033
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: the time to come on my show Money Making Conversation.

1034
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: And by the way, I've already been in discussions with

1035
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: Clark Atlanta University about doing a money making Conversation financial

1036
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Speaker 1: summit right before UH taxes Raplift. So I'll be reaching

1037
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: out to you because we're on the same page. Man.

1038
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 1: We're trying to change that wealth at racial gap, especially

1039
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: for people, and you're one of the voices my board

1040
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: as cash and get him on board. And said more people.

1041
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: So it's you know, I'm the old head man. I

1042
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: want you young boards out there man just leading the

1043
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: way and allow me to just lay the foundations. That

1044
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Speaker 1: is that a deal? That's awesome. I love that. I'm

1045
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Speaker 1: all about it. Thank you. It's Lacraig Protect the Bag

1046
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Speaker 1: every Tuesday on YouTube seven pm Easton. If you want

1047
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: to watch, you better start watching that because the last

1048
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Speaker 1: episode is December fourteen. But it doesn't matter if you

1049
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Speaker 1: missed anything, because the way the series works is about

1050
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: education and financially getting you to change your life and

1051
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: putting the passion of change in your heart through your

1052
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: pocket and not allowing those pennies to fall out and

1053
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: turn those pennies into dollars and then you invest those

1054
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: dollars into the stock market. Thank you, Lucraig. Absolutely appreciate cool.

1055
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Speaker 1: If you want to see or hear any of my

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You've been listening to money Making Conversations with

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Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald. Please join the next week and always remember

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Speaker 1: the Money Making Conversations Minute of Inspiration with Rushan McDonald

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Speaker 1: Hi and Rashan McDonald for Money Making Conversation with your

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Speaker 1: daily minute of Inspiration. This week, I sat down with

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Speaker 1: Kirk Franklin. That's right. You may know him as a

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Speaker 1: You know me better than anyone you know in this space,

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Speaker 1: and I am unapologetic in my faith, and I try

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Speaker 1: is all by the grace and kindness of the Lord.

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