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Speaker 1: So, why do I think we are underplaying the possibility

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Democrats absolutely want the issue. It's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that they, you know, maybe they

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Speaker 1: But I expected Trump to flip on this and he hasn't.

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Speaker 2: I know. I was actually surprised too, because there's the

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Speaker 2: anti Obamacare that they just won't even consider it.

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Speaker 1: It really is such an intell it's such an intellectual, intellectual,

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Speaker 1: dishonest argument, right, because what Obamacare turned out to be

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Speaker 1: was was essentially not government health care, but government support

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Speaker 1: supporting a market based system that was essentially run by

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Speaker 1: the private sector. Because what Democrats wanted to do they

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Speaker 1: couldn't because the insurance companies made it clear that they

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Speaker 1: were going to destroy any you know, they just you

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Speaker 1: know what, Clinton tried to take the insurance companies out

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Speaker 1: of this. Well, guess what, right it just they lost

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Speaker 1: that argument. And the irony is that this was a

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Speaker 1: this was a Heritage Foundation idea that Mitt Romney put

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Speaker 1: in the Massachusetts that Bama Obama ends up implemating. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the anger that these Republicans have had an idea that

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Speaker 1: was originally incubated at the Heritage Foundation when it was

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Speaker 1: an actual conservative think tank and not what it's turned

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Speaker 1: into in the last year or two is is still

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Speaker 1: like this this ironic pill that none of them seem

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Speaker 1: to want to want to admit to.

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Speaker 2: Take and admit yeah, because remember Obamacare, the compromise is

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Speaker 2: what Democrats wanted was a single payer plan and this

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Speaker 2: is the best that they could get. They literally, like

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Speaker 2: you said, and.

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Speaker 1: You know what Trump wants. What Trump has been advocating

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Speaker 1: is a form of a single payer plan. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he actually had. Anytime he talks about it, it's the

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Speaker 1: closest you know, he comes to. You know, it is

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Speaker 1: it is. It is amazing to me how often that

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Speaker 1: they messed this up, right, Like, you know, look, Democrats

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Speaker 1: seem to be allergic to border security. Right, there is

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Speaker 1: just some right you see it. You know, sometimes you're like,

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Speaker 1: how is it that you guys don't see that the

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Speaker 1: public is pro immigration, legal immigration, but wants some border security.

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Speaker 1: Like it's okay to lead with that. It's the same

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Speaker 1: thing with Republicans and there it's there's something right, like

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Speaker 1: both parties have this, and to me, these are the

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Speaker 1: two issues that do the right where they don't think straight.

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Speaker 1: They never think like the average person. They're so dug

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Speaker 1: in on a specific piece of their you know, their

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Speaker 1: rationale for obstructing on that issue that they can't acknowledge another.

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Speaker 2: Part of this, you know, yeah, I mean it's a

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Speaker 2: great This is an issue that is obviously confounded Republicans

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Speaker 2: for decades. I mean, this is a hard issue. It

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Speaker 2: took Democrats really, I mean, you know, Hillary Kinkin, like

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Speaker 2: you said, had her plan that didn't go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: If you if you're going to let the private sector

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Speaker 1: deal with healthcare, there, you know the system is going

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Speaker 1: to always look this gobbledly good. You know, we're allergic

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Speaker 1: to government run stuff here, right, unless it's so security,

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Speaker 1: unless it's better, you know, but it is, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're all I am surprised that Trump didn't just expand

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Speaker 1: Medicare and call it trump Care.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: I mean he could have brought it down to fifty plus,

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Speaker 1: said no to the subsidies, but brought that down to

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Speaker 1: fifty plus, that letting people buy into Medicare at fifty

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Speaker 1: years old, rather than the you know, you'd had Democrats

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Speaker 1: supporting that idea. I mean, like there was a way

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Speaker 1: for them to put their own Yeah, there's a way

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Speaker 1: to put their own signature on this in a way

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Speaker 1: that could you know, that would appease certain parts of

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Speaker 1: the left, absolutely, but would also make up for a

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Speaker 1: more sensible system that actually business wouldn't hate well.

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Speaker 2: And also that's why during the government shutdown, Democrats I

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Speaker 2: thought it was kind of lame at first or dumb

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Speaker 2: at first that they were so focused on what Trump

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Speaker 2: was saying and what Trump was going to do. But

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Speaker 2: I came to realize towards the end that Republicans couldn't

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Speaker 2: do anything without Trump, and so they put all of

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Speaker 2: their focus on and well, what, you know, what is

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Speaker 2: Trump gonna do? And when Trump, you know, didn't come

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Speaker 2: out in support of, you know, the bipartisan efforts, then

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Speaker 2: they knew it was just it was just it was

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Speaker 2: just done. But you know, I think that this also

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Speaker 2: gets into which I wrote about for Sunday, is how

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Speaker 2: little Trump thinks about Congress in the sense of he

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Speaker 2: doesn't think any more legislation needs to come through the Hill.

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Speaker 2: He said in October that he's done with legislating. He

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Speaker 2: said it again in December, He's done. They don't need

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Speaker 2: another bill. And you know, Trump just thinks that he

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Speaker 2: can do everything that matters through executive order. And the

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Speaker 2: reality is that Republicans cannot get anything through Congress without Trump,

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Speaker 2: and so they're in this position where they need the president,

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Speaker 2: but the press resident is done with them. He got

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Speaker 2: his tax extenders, he got his money for immigration enforcement,

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Speaker 2: and he was able to reverse like all the clean

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Speaker 2: clean energy stuff through the one big, beautiful bill. And

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Speaker 2: so there's nothing else that he cares about on the Hill.

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Speaker 1: So there's not going to be another reconciliation, huh.

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Speaker 2: I mean members of Congres like Speaker Johnson says that

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Speaker 2: there he's going to try. He wants one, other members

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Speaker 2: of Congres, other Republicans want it, but if Trump's not involved,

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Speaker 2: they can't get it. That's why healthcare fell apart, is

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Speaker 2: because Trump completely absent.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's because you know, I've been calling Mike Johnson

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Speaker 1: a Spino speaker in name only.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, you know.

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Speaker 1: I keep I keep hoping this will, you know, the

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Speaker 1: way Scotis and Potus takes off Rhino and Dino Spino

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Speaker 1: right speaker, And I keep waiting for that to to

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Speaker 1: get some traction. But it is, it's up to Trump

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Speaker 1: and there so if Trump's got I mean, the only

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Speaker 1: thing he wants from Congress, I'm guessing is him is

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Speaker 1: a Congressional order changing the name of the Kennedy Senator

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Speaker 1: to the Trump Kennedy Center, right, like that that that's

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Speaker 1: about all he would care about getting out of Congress.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean look at the look at the

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Speaker 2: military pay that he announced.

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Speaker 1: That's money that was already appropriated to the Defense Department.

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Speaker 1: And it's discretionary. It's essentially discretionary housing allowance, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, And he is claiming that it's tariff revenue money.

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Speaker 2: He's not even admitting that Congress passed this because like

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Speaker 2: he just is not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not the first president to try to

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Speaker 1: take something that was already done and put a new

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Speaker 1: label on it and stamp it. Hey, look at I've done, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, oh, we're giving the military extra money. Well

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Speaker 1: let's call it my pay raise, you know, or my bonus.

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Speaker 2: Or right totally. But like, why don't you just say,

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Speaker 2: look at what we passed or whatever, rather than say

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Speaker 2: it's from tariff revenue, which actually is a I don't

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Speaker 2: know why he would say it anyways, because then he'd

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Speaker 2: have to take them, well, repay their tariff money if

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court rules.

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Speaker 1: So this gets to a question about the next six months,

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Speaker 1: because it's interesting, you don't think there's really much legislating

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Speaker 1: that's going to happen other than what they have to

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Speaker 1: the have to stuff that we're not going to see

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Speaker 1: an a want twos. Okay, Well, one of the half

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Speaker 1: twos that might come is if the Supreme Court rules

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Speaker 1: the way most of us expect the Supreme Court rule

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Speaker 1: on the president's tariff authority or lack thereof, and he

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Speaker 1: will need you know, in theory, he has appliant appliant House,

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Speaker 1: at least a House Republican conference that I think in

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Speaker 1: probably he can get anything out of them. Senate's going

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Speaker 1: to be a harder lift on tariffs. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think we all know that. Does that not change his

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Speaker 1: tune about the necessity of and he would want reconciliation

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Speaker 1: on terif authority because you know, he needs to afford

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Speaker 1: to lose Republican votes on those.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, So I had heard from you know,

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Speaker 2: outside from lobbyists who say that they are already considering

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Speaker 2: like how to go to Congress for for how to

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Speaker 2: pass the tariffs. I you know, I don't even know

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Speaker 2: if House Republicans will do it, though.

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Speaker 1: Check.

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Speaker 2: I think that as polling is continuing to as polling

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Speaker 2: is suggesting that people are starting to tie tariffs with

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Speaker 2: high costs. These Republicans who are facing voters in you know,

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Speaker 2: a few months from whenever this tariff decision comes out,

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Speaker 2: I just don't see them giving Trump like blanket authority

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Speaker 2: to continue this tariff regime. Definitely in the Senate and

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Speaker 2: even in the House, we'll see. But I just I

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Speaker 2: really think that, you know, outside circumstances are going to

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Speaker 2: dictate this, the play circumstances and the economic circumstances. But

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Speaker 2: if things are how they are now, I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: if even they'd be on board.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do expect the White House to find other

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Speaker 1: I mean even the President has sort of hinted, he goes, well,

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Speaker 1: if they take it away, I've got other ways to

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Speaker 1: do this. But it will be harder, and it will

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Speaker 1: be more complicated, and it will get in the way

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Speaker 1: of his so called deal making that he's done, that's

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Speaker 1: for sure. So if if if there really isn't going

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Speaker 1: to be much legislating, then how many more retirements are

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Speaker 1: you know? I mean to me, that's the that's going

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Speaker 1: to be the the the story of the next three weeks,

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Speaker 1: right is how many members decide over the holidays. I'm out,

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Speaker 1: I'm done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. So I wrote and reported a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago that people were Republicans were really bracing

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Speaker 2: for a lot of retirements.

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Speaker 1: What is a lot another dozen?

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Speaker 2: Well, I was told at least twenty.

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Speaker 1: Another twenty. We already are at a fairly Look this

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Speaker 1: is we're in the higher end of the retirements. It's

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Speaker 1: nowhere near the all time record, but we're at the

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Speaker 1: higher end. Another twenty would put us in an all

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Speaker 1: time situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll see if that plays out. I was

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Speaker 2: told that obviously a lot of these people are still

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Speaker 2: making their decisions but serving, you know. And the Republicans

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Speaker 2: that some of the Republicans I talked to, they were like, look,

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Speaker 2: don't don't don't make this a a that most of

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Speaker 2: these people are from safe seats really or maybe that

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Speaker 2: second or third tier competitive seat, but it is an

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Speaker 2: indictment on what it's like to serve in Congress right now?

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Speaker 2: Are you going to put up if you have any

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Speaker 2: sort of familial strife or member is sick, or there's

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Speaker 2: you know, things going on in your family that's not perfect,

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Speaker 2: in your life that's not perfect, Why would you do

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Speaker 2: this like in a when The job is fun when

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Speaker 2: you're successful, when you're passing legislation, you can overcome that stuff.

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Speaker 2: But then you're you start to weigh things differently, and

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm told that like the Texas Republicans are,

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Speaker 2: and of course the California Republicans are just pissed. They

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Speaker 2: are mad about the redistricting effort.

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Speaker 1: We're mad at the White House and Johnson. Right, they're

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Speaker 1: somehow mad that Johnson can't tell the President no, that's

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Speaker 1: I guess what they're mad at him at right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they are not standing up for them, especially

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Speaker 2: on the redistricting effort. Even though some of these seats

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Speaker 2: were made safer for Republicans. People don't like to.

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Speaker 1: But they're new districts. You have to be.

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Speaker 2: New with new lines and meet new people and fundraising.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is one of those perfect storms. The times

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Speaker 1: that we've had record breaking retirements are when we've had

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Speaker 1: both an unpopp the majority party is in the White

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Speaker 1: House and it's unpopular, coupled with a reapportionment. Right, it's

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Speaker 1: a redistricting year. Nineteen ninety two is one of the

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Speaker 1: ninety four cycle sort of was a big one on

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Speaker 1: that both ninety two and ninety fourths or two cycles

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Speaker 1: in a row, and here we are in a mid decade.

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Speaker 1: But it's both an unpopular majority party that they're facing,

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Speaker 1: which is sort of the typical six year itch type

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Speaker 1: of mindset, and it happens to there's a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of redistricting that happened, and so you don't want to

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Speaker 1: you already fighting an uphill battle, and you know, do

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Speaker 1: I really I know I'm in a fifty nine percent district,

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Speaker 1: but fifty nine percent districts might be swing districts. I

652
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Speaker 1: don't want to have to raise ten million dollars.

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Speaker 2: This cycle, right, totally, totally. And one member from a

654
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Speaker 2: swing district, you know, said that they're going to have

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Speaker 2: to raise tens of millions of dollars for you know,

656
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Speaker 2: they just said that they're race could be a sixty

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Speaker 2: a district, which is which is mind boggling these days.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you know, I've never been like a

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Speaker 1: going to be our first billion dollar centuri one billion

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Speaker 1: with a B. Main's going to be six hundred million

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Speaker 1: it like you're going to buy Boston to get the

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Speaker 1: tiniest piece of like of the southern tier of Portland. Right,

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Speaker 1: it is we are we have hit absurd levels on

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Speaker 1: money where if you don't have access to rich people,

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Speaker 1: you can't run for office. And that is where suddenly

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Speaker 1: I how do you, holse? Do you what do you

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Speaker 1: call it? Where everybody that runs for office has to

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Speaker 1: have a rich person on their side in order to win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or be rich. It's you know, I was talking

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Speaker 2: And you know, I mean, I don't even know how

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Speaker 1: now the million dollar donor thinks, hey, I give a

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Speaker 1: million dollars, I expect some I expect something I expect,

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Speaker 1: you know, And the average member of Congress going, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll jump, I'll uh, I'll jump if you're

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Speaker 1: a ten million dollar donor. But a million dollar donors,

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Speaker 1: there's a get you know, I joke. I give a

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Speaker 1: little bit of money to the nursery of Miami Athletic Department.

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Speaker 1: I also give money to my alma Monter GW basketball.

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Speaker 1: I give less GW basketball, but they're more grateful because

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Speaker 1: I'm a It's a smaller pool, right when you're part

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Speaker 1: of you think you think you're giving a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, there's there's fifty people ahead of

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Speaker 1: attention and they're going to get the love and affection

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Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. So a million dollars doesn't

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Speaker 1: even buy what it used to buy anymore when it

731
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Speaker 1: comes to donors, which is just perverted. I'm sorry, just

732
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Speaker 1: perverting the system. The system's already a mess.

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Speaker 2: Well, then Trump has, you know, a billion dollars of

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Speaker 2: his own money that he could spend to help House

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Speaker 2: Republicans keep the majority. He hasn't yet. He has said

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Speaker 2: that he will help, but they have not yet gotten

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Speaker 2: a commitment as to how much, how what that's going

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Speaker 2: to look like. And I'm really interested. I don't know

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Speaker 2: the answer to this yet, but I'm really interested, Like,

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Speaker 2: is he going to spend a bunch of money to

741
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Speaker 2: try to primary state senators who don't go along with redistricting,

742
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Speaker 2: which will have no impact on control of the House.

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Speaker 1: But no, you're probably just dividing your own party and

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Speaker 1: just making it that much harder to have a good

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Speaker 1: mature Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And you know, and getting back to the

747
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Speaker 2: lack of legislating. Trump is so determined to keep control

748
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Speaker 2: of the House that he unleashed this entire bloody redistricting

749
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Speaker 2: war for what not to legislate because he does not

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Speaker 2: want to get impeached again.

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Speaker 1: Like, so, what's the likelihood of that? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: find it.

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Speaker 2: I think I think it's low.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I think it's I can't think of

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Speaker 1: a dumber idea for House Democrats in the seventh year

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Speaker 1: of Trump being in president of the United States to

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Speaker 1: impeach him. I mean, look, I'm not saying you might

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Speaker 1: have grounds to do it. I'm not saying to me,

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Speaker 1: if if the next group, if if people want to

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Speaker 1: impeach him, let the Republicans impeach him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree, And I think that it's I

762
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Speaker 2: think that Democrats aren't going to do it. We'll see

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Speaker 2: what Trump does. But yeah, so he's operating. Trump is

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Speaker 2: operating out of this PTSD from his first term in

765
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Speaker 2: these impeachments, and that's why he wants to prevent Democrats

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Speaker 2: from winning the House has nothing to do with his

767
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Speaker 2: agenda or his goals or what he wants to do

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Speaker 2: for the country.

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Speaker 1: All right, of the let's talk about the four leaders, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Johnson Jeffrey Schumer. Soon, let's start with who I think

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Speaker 1: are the two most unpopular within their own party these

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Speaker 1: days for a variety of reasons. Johnson on the Republican side,

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Speaker 1: Schumer on the Democratic side. Who's more likely to return

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Speaker 1: as leader of their of You know, in this case,

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Speaker 1: Johnson might be the minority leader, but he would still

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Speaker 1: be the leader if Republicans lose the House come January fourth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven. I mean, who's still going to be there,

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Speaker 1: Schumer or Johnson?

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Speaker 2: I think Schumer I don't think he'll be there, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and Johnson won't Yeah. I mean, of course, it all

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Speaker 2: will depend on the outcome of the.

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Speaker 1: Miss Johnson only come back if they somehow hold the House.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. If they lose the House, I think that

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a huge shake up in leadership.

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Speaker 1: On likelihood that Johnson seeks reelection, so.

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Speaker 2: He'll serve you know for twenty eight you mean, no,

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Speaker 2: I think for you think he definitely runs through re

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Speaker 2: election this cycle, right, I think he definitely runs.

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Speaker 1: Because that would send does he because remember Paul Ryan

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Speaker 1: announced in April, right of eighteen he wasn't coming back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't expect something like that from Johnson.

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Speaker 2: I don't. Johnson thinks way too highly of himself and

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Speaker 2: his ability to bow out. Now. Yeah, I think he's

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Speaker 2: in it for this cycle. I think that if Republicans

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Speaker 2: lose the House, you know, they lose that slot, and

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Speaker 2: so there's not a spot for him unless he becomes

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Speaker 2: leader minority leader. But then there's that's the person. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if he's going to run for reelection as Scalise.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a higher probability of not than Johnson.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 1: He's already found out he's never gonna be speaker, yea, right,

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Speaker 1: he learned that the hard way in his was he

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Speaker 1: six hours that he tried to get the votes. Was

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Speaker 1: that what it was about, right, like, okay, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: you get about six hours so you can get the

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Speaker 1: votes and get the votes. Okay, let's move on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, yeah, he's not going to be speaker. He

808
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Speaker 2: just hasn't. He doesn't have the allies among the conference

809
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Speaker 2: that you need. He has made a lot of people angry.

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Speaker 2: And then who does.

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Speaker 1: Who would be Is there a committee chair? In fact,

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Speaker 1: is there a committee chair that just gets shipped done

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Speaker 1: on the Republican side that would be like like I

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Speaker 1: remember one of the reasons, but Bob Livingston was supposed

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Speaker 1: to be the person to replace kingrig and the reason

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Speaker 1: was I think he was on ways and me just

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Speaker 1: like you know, he gets stuff done, Like you know

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Speaker 1: the idea that a committee chair that can get stuff done,

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Speaker 1: especially in a tough committee like ways and Means or

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Speaker 1: approbes or something like that, or even rules that it like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if you know how to do that, then maybe you've

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Speaker 1: got the skill set to be to be Speaker or

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Speaker 1: to be leader of the caucus. Who's the committee chair

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Speaker 1: that knows what they're doing?

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Speaker 2: Jim Jordan, He's He's he's the quiet, which is crazy

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Speaker 2: that he's quiet if you know quiet, and that's why

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Speaker 2: he is subtle.

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Speaker 1: He's very He's going to give this one more college

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Speaker 1: tries to be leader of the House Republicans.

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Speaker 2: In Yeah, So I think it's Jim Jordan. I think

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Speaker 2: that Tom Emmer he has some enemies too, But he

832
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Speaker 2: really has a good relationship with the Freedom Caucus, and

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Speaker 2: so I think he could have a shot. He has

834
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Speaker 2: built he's like worked really hard to build that relationship

835
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Speaker 2: with Trump and so those are this just.

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Speaker 1: Still shaky, though, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I think it's gotten a lot

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Speaker 2: better this year, especially with he's the guy who kind

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Speaker 2: of has to clean up Johnson's mess a lot, or

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Speaker 2: try to. And Richard Hudson, Yeah, you know Richard Hudson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the one that I get, like, I hear good,

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Speaker 1: I hear people don't have bad words to say about him,

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Speaker 1: whether they're mega or non mega.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and everyone like really likes him. He's like a

845
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Speaker 2: fun person. I don't want the job, but but yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, I forgot about him actually, but yeah, he's

847
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Speaker 2: someone that you can keep in mind. But as far

848
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Speaker 2: as like Schumer is concerned, you know Schumer, I do

849
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Speaker 2: not think he's running for reelection. No one on the hill,

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Speaker 2: no Democrat thinks he's running for reelection.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine him doing it. Nobody have talked to

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Speaker 1: New York. I think people would be shocked if he did.

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Speaker 1: And I assume the only way he does is if

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Speaker 1: somehow Democrats get the Senate and he's a majority leader again,

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Speaker 1: then you might not want to give it up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a possibility. But I

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Speaker 2: think that he's just like too damaged within the party,

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Speaker 2: I think. But I think the reason he's going to

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Speaker 2: be leader after twenty six, you know, if they win

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Speaker 2: the majority, then absolutely. If they don't, I think he'll

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Speaker 2: still be leader kind of let them.

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Speaker 1: But there might be a real challenge if they don't, right,

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Speaker 1: especially if like that, Let's say Democrats win forty seats

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Speaker 1: again in the House. Yeah, right, it's a forty seat

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Speaker 1: pickup in the House, thirty to forty. The new forty

866
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Speaker 1: would be thirty. So let's say it's thirty, right, twenty

867
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Speaker 1: five to thirty, which I think is the highest end

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Speaker 1: it could be, and Democrats only pick up two sentences, right,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I imagine there's a little bit of do

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Speaker 1: you guys know what you're doing, you know, with when

871
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Speaker 1: it comes to Senate races, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's already that people are mad about

873
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Speaker 2: the primaries and the heavy handed of like Grandpaton, you know,

874
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Speaker 2: but there's.

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Speaker 1: So what's about it is that where they're heavy handed

876
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: is stupid, and where they're not heavy handed, it's stupid,

877
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Speaker 1: Like like Texas, how did you let that happen? And

878
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: then you tried to get involved in Iowa and Maine,

879
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: Like it makes no sense to have gotten involved in

880
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Speaker 1: Iowa in particular, you know, I with Maine. I kind

881
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: of get it now. How they how they how they

882
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: leak that. I just think the way they handled the

883
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Speaker 1: OPO on Platner was just stupid. They were like, look

884
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Speaker 1: at all the fluff we got, you actually turned ament.

885
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: You wasted all of that ammunition, just completely just absolute

886
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: political research practice. It was stupid. I don't know who

887
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: made that decision. Was that a d SEC decision or

888
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: a Janet Mills campaign decision? It was just stupid.

889
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Speaker 2: I heard it was a DS decision. I don't I

890
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Speaker 2: you know again, I'm just every but I was I

891
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Speaker 2: was told that, like the Janet Mills operation, like they're

892
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Speaker 2: I mean, they're good, you won governor, but they're not

893
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Speaker 2: like they're not DS material.

894
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is DS is DS material. I'm sorry,

895
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Speaker 1: what proof has the DS been anything? Some of those

896
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Speaker 1: guys I love over there, and they've been good sources

897
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Speaker 1: for me for decades. But that's the problem. I think

898
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: that they still think everything looks like two thousand and

899
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Speaker 1: six or twenty twelve. I just think that they've lost

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Speaker 1: I think they've lost touch on where today's Democratic Party

901
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: and today's swing voter is. And then there's conceding defeat

902
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: in all of these light red states. They just are

903
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: conceding defeat. Where are they in Kansas? Where are they

904
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: in Florida? Where are they in some of these states

905
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: that they've got to put on the map even if

906
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Speaker 1: they don't get to fifty.

907
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's obviously, I mean, you are just expressing

908
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: the frustration with a Democratic caucus who was thinking the

909
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 2: exact same thing. But Jillibrand is an ally of Schumer.

910
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Speaker 2: She's a loyal soldier, and it's really Schumer who's running it. Obviously.

911
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Speaker 1: Well, the fact that you don't see jail Brand ever

912
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Speaker 1: speak about Center racist publicly, I mean she keeps a

913
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Speaker 1: very low profile. Yeah, it has always been right. It's

914
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Speaker 1: it's interesting how low of a profile she's kept on this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually is. I hadn't even thought about that,

916
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Speaker 2: but it is, I think because my brain just always

917
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Speaker 2: goes to Schumer. I don't even didn't even realize it.

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Speaker 1: Which is what makes the which was what made that decision.

919
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: I would semi surprise that the rest of the Senate

920
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Speaker 1: Democrats wanted to concentrate all of that with the two

921
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Speaker 1: New Yorkers.

922
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Jeffries. He's going to get a shot

924
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: at being speaker, it seems like. But there I feel

925
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Speaker 1: like there's creeping doubts about whether he's got it, But

926
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Speaker 1: nobody's going to challenge him per se if it's stepped

927
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: in front of him, unless they somehow didn't win the House, right.

928
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that he is being given a very

929
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Speaker 2: long runway. But I will also say I feel like

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Speaker 2: last week, with the whole health care debacle in on

931
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Speaker 2: the Republican side, that Democrats that that could be the

932
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Speaker 2: week that Haakim Jeffries became Speaker of the House. Like

933
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Speaker 2: I think that maybe you can point and you know,

934
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Speaker 2: we'll obviously see that happens in the next ten months.

935
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Speaker 2: But I feel like that was a really critical week

936
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Speaker 2: for Jeffries. It his long shot messaging bill of a

937
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 2: three year extension of the Obamacare subsidies, which no one

938
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Speaker 2: had thought had any chance now has support from Republicans

939
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Speaker 2: because the Republicans messed it up so much. And you know,

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Speaker 2: throughout this process, some Democrats were telling me outside Democrats

941
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Speaker 2: were telling me that Jeffries had not been given enough

942
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Speaker 2: credit for the strategy. And I feel like they or

943
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: they feel like they are validated now. You know, Jeffries

944
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Speaker 2: has a lot of challenges.

945
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Speaker 1: I don't envy. I think he's got the toughest job

946
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Speaker 1: of anybody right now in leadership outside of Johnson. Johnson's

947
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: got his own, but he sort of he's he allows

948
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Speaker 1: himself to be put in a box. Jeffries has got.

949
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Speaker 1: You know. Look, I think Jeffries and Schumer should take

950
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: more incoming for for mismanaging the New York City mayors race,

951
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: like just completely screwing up the Cuomo thing. You know

952
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: how they mismanage that is to me on the two

953
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: leaders of the Democratic Party both are from New York City,

954
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: and they buried their head in the sand when Andy

955
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: Cuomo decided that he was going to run. What the

956
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: f were they thinking? Right? Like, they just didn't It's

957
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: not about mom, Donnie, Mam Donnie. To me, is a

958
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: symptom of the mismanagement of the Cuomo situation.

959
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 2: Well also totally. I mean, and the funny thing is

960
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: is that Schumer and Cuomo have a horrific relationship. Schumer

961
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: like Yo Cuomo, and and the fact that yeah, and

962
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 2: then they still didn't do more. So it was really

963
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: really mystifying I and that you never really got a

964
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 2: good answer about it. I will say that in my reporting,

965
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Speaker 2: New Yorkers didn't really care about what Humor did. It's

966
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Speaker 2: just like whatever, No.

967
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Speaker 1: I get that, but it's not about the public perception.

968
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: It's about you want to be a leader of your party. Yeah,

969
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: you're you're you should have jumped in front of the

970
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 1: freight train. That was Andy Quaman, say sorry, buddy, no

971
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: and found a found a candidate and got behind somebody

972
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: else or done something differently maybe, you know, you could say.

973
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: But the the way they they behaved as if they

974
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Speaker 1: were paralyzed by the situation.

975
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was very very odd. And it

976
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: was the donors. It came down to the donors.

977
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Speaker 1: And I guess, yeah, you know, you're right, Well that

978
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: tells you, right, And they sau out that Cuomo's the

979
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: only one that could be pro Israel anyway. I just

980
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: the whole thing is just sort of bizarre to me.

981
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: Let me get you out of here on this is

982
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: John Thune the tallest little person? Or does he really

983
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: has he actually started to develop a power base and

984
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: a power structure, I asked, because I've heard crankiness about Thune,

985
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: meaning that they wish Thune. Would they miss Mitch McConnell

986
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: protecting them from tough volts and John. One thing John

987
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: Thune won't do is sorry, guys, I'm not standing in

988
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: the way of this vote that Trump wants, you know,

989
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: but the but he did shut down the the filibuster

990
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: talk right getting of the filibuster, so that I assume

991
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: won him some plaudits. But where's the how would you

992
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,919
Speaker 1: assess Thunes? Uh hold on his position right now?

993
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: Good? I think that that's why you see the least

994
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: amount written about Thune is because it's hard to come

995
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: up with like a good story about Thune. People generally

996
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: like him. The filibuster was a huge test, will continue

997
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: to be a huge test. The blue slips, I know

998
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: Grassley is kind of leading that, but you know, some

999
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 2: other kind of disinstitutional stuff and also how the NRSC,

1000
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 2: like how these primaries go there's some frustration that the

1001
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: NRSC vis a vi fune is also not being tough

1002
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: enough in some of these primaries, like in Texas.

1003
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: No I could I could hear an argument. You know,

1004
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: I didn't think Cornyn was going to file because I

1005
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: thought he would feel pressure not to file. Yeah, because

1006
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: Pax didn't be in the nominee is a huge problem.

1007
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 2: Yes, it's an absolutely huge problem. But he filed and

1008
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: they yeah, they've really mismanaged that and they were unable

1009
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: to keep Wesley Hunt out of the out of the race,

1010
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: and so, you know, it is it's a big test

1011
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: for thoone. It's interesting because McConnell in twelve and fourteen,

1012
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: after fourteen, I think it was that's when he really

1013
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: became involved in primaries and in the Purpople operation because

1014
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: he was screwed so badly in the primaries and John

1015
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: Cornyn ironically was the NRSC chair in twelve and fourteen

1016
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: having to deal with, you know, taking a back seat

1017
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: in these crazy primaries, and then McConnell stepped in after

1018
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: that and is like, no, I'm running this operation. So

1019
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: Dune hasn't seemed to do that yet, and people are

1020
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: kind of wanting him to put a little muscle. But

1021
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 2: that's really the biggest complaint I've heard.

1022
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: Interesting, Well, it's the best beat in Washington, still, isn't it?

1023
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: Leantes It is, Yes, it is.

1024
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: You know, It's always been my mantra. It's the best

1025
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: beat in Washington, don't you know. Don't try to go

1026
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: cover the White House. It sucks covered. The White House

1027
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: is born. Yeah, the Hill is awesome.

1028
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: Now the White House is more prestigious, but the Hill

1029
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 2: is the best.

1030
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: That's where you actually find news. Let me get you

1031
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: out of here on this. How do you describe when

1032
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: you have to tell people what Puck is that aren't

1033
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: familiar with it, how do you describe it?

1034
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 2: I describe it as an email subscription newsletter. That the

1035
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: easiest way to describe it, I tell say is it's

1036
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: like a newer vanity fair, like a new version of vanity.

1037
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: Interesting because because there's you know, there's some culture, there's business,

1038
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,959
Speaker 1: there's there's there's even sports now, right, It's it's sort

1039
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: of the the look I like the idea of the

1040
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: four Corners, Silicon Valley, New York, Washington, LA. Right, like

1041
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: all of the cultural touchstones of America. That's sort of

1042
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:05,479
Speaker 1: make us, you know, uh, make things run. But it's

1043
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: a I get it, but I imagine it is sometimes

1044
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: hard to.

1045
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 2: Describe, right, Yeah, And that's why I say that because

1046
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: also the writing, you know, the writing matters. They really

1047
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 2: take a lot of we will take a lot of

1048
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: pride in in the presentation. And I feel like I'm

1049
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: writing a mini magazine piece every time I write. And

1050
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: so it just you know, our editors, you know John

1051
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: Kelly who started it, the top editor. They both came

1052
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: from Vanity Fair, like so many people grew up in

1053
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 2: that Vanity Fair heyday world, and so it's like a

1054
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 2: modern version of that.

1055
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Speaker 1: Well it's funny you say Vanity Fair even though Vanity

1056
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: Fair was was a monthly and so didn't you know,

1057
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: I would argue what you what you guys, because I

1058
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: agree it's that it reminds me more of the weekly

1059
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: pieces that Time and Newsweek used to produce, that were

1060
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: filled with because Time and Newsweek didn't have to worry

1061
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: about the day to day Manu Shaw, they got to

1062
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Speaker 1: take a step back and sort of have that. And

1063
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Speaker 1: so to me, you most emulate Howard Feinneman from the nineties,

1064
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: oh where, because Howard Fineman was the chief political correspondent

1065
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: for Newsweek, and he always sort of authored the big picture.

1066
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Speaker 1: Nancy Gibbs was the person that Time magazine, you know,

1067
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Speaker 1: and she eventually became editor of Time, but she also

1068
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Speaker 1: was you know, there were these who could write it,

1069
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Speaker 1: and it's tremendous skill and it is what I think smart,

1070
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Speaker 1: the way smart people want to consume this information.

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Speaker 2: So well, thanks. Yeah, I think that it's like a

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Speaker 2: great niche and I think it was missing, especially in

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Speaker 2: this like you know, cable news, yeah, and punch Bowl

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Speaker 2: News of like every minute this is happening.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to bring up the there's two news

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Speaker 1: organizations that should have been filling this vacuum and chose

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Speaker 1: not to, and you used to work on one of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll leave it there, Leah Caldwell, always a pressure.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the holidays, enjoy your break.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you seek deck.

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