WEBVTT - Rainn Wilson - Pt. 1 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.680 Hey, Lee, the listeners take here. Last season on Lethal Lit, 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:09.479 you might remember I came to Hollow Falls on a mission. Well, 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.720 I'm finding out that in this town, the dead don't 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:18.000 keep their secrets for long, and the bodies keep piling up. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:21.639 The second season if Lethal Lit is available now on 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:24.279 the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:32.040 listen to your favorite shows. Hey Hey, this is John 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.560 hopebryant entrepreneur and a fellow builder just like you. 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With my host Caroline Cole and Rebecca Mellinger, 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.560 we will uncover the truth of one team treatment facility 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:23.600 each season. First up, Provo Canyon School. This one is personal. 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.600 Listen to Trapped in Treatment on the I Heart Radio app, 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:37.039 Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. My name's 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:47.880 Rain Wilson and I played Dwight Kurt Shrewd. Hello everybody, 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:52.680 Welcome to the office Deep Dive. I am your host 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.000 Brian baum Gartner. Today you will be listening to my 0:01:56.040 --> 0:02:03.080 conversation with Rain Wilson. Now, when we started shooting the show, um, Rain, 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:05.880 he was the only person that I knew. I met 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:12.120 Rain back in circa nineteen all right. I was living 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:16.520 in Minneapolis and I went to see a production at 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.760 the Guthrie Theater in Minneapolis. Now you should know this. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.640 The Guthrie is a very, very big deal. It is 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.760 the largest regional theater in the country. It puts on 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:32.440 incredible shows, world renowned, etcetera, etcetera. Well, Rain was starring 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.919 uh in a production of Philadelphia. Here I come, and 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.840 I went to the show. And I have said this 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:46.320 many times. Rain's performance in that show it was the 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:51.720 greatest performance that I ever saw on the Guthrie stage. 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.040 It was brilliant. And so the show was over and 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.440 I was like, I've got to meet this guy. Rain. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:02.359 This guy is brilliant and so we got introduced, we 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:06.840 met and we became friends. And when I showed up 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.400 to work on the first day of the office, there 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:13.440 was Rain, and I could not have been more delighted 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:19.639 to see him. He is. He's a special one, that's 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.440 for sure. I am so excited for you to hear 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.799 this interview. You're going to hear Rain in a way 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:29.600 you have never heard him before. I love talking to him. 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.880 You are going to love listening to him. So, without 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:43.360 further ado, here is Rain Wilson, Bubble and Squeak. I 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:49.680 love Bubble and squeak on Bubble and Squeaker cook at 0:03:49.840 --> 0:04:06.680 every month left over from the night before. Oh, there 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:13.440 he is him, buddy, Hey man, how are you. I'm good, good, 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:17.479 I see you? Yeah? Yeah? Are you we? Um? That 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:22.719 felt really inappropriate? Why, um, we have some salty nuts 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.360 for you. I saw just a giant, like five pounds 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:31.240 of salty I was requested, what salty nuts? Nothing is requested? 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.559 What does that mean? I don't know? Um, all right, 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:40.320 let's do this. Let's do it. Hi, I'm all yours 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:44.599 for two hours? Really so exciting? Are you excited? No? 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:50.120 Why not? It's fun? To see me. I'm excited to 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:56.840 see you. Yes, that's that's what. That's what that's that's Yeah. Yeah, 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:58.920 we're gonna talk about a lot of it. I do things. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.640 I also a excited about talking about the Office in 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.119 terms of like some stuff that you don't normally hear. Yeah, 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.719 like the the longer, more detailed stories of some of 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.960 the intricacies of how stuff was arrived at and some 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.039 of the choices that were made along the way and 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.360 stuff like. Well, that's what my goal is with you, 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.599 because you're a thoughtful person. I'm gonna try to do that. 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:22.920 You're not gonna get that from Creed. No, I know. 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.960 Well I think we've scheduled him for twenty two minutes. Okay, 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.240 so that's fine. Um No, but yeah, I'm excited to 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.120 talk to you. What what So we're starting, we're rolling. Yeah, 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.640 we're just we're just chatting. Good. What were you doing 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:43.320 before the Office? Um? Before the Office? Well, going way 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.480 way back before. So, I did theater for about ten 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.560 years in New York before I did any TV or film, 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.039 so early was a theater actor. Some lot of people 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.800 ask like, how were you an improv or were you 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.640 and stand up or something? Like that, but I didn't 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.760 do anything. I'm similar to you exactly. Yeah, theater theater 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.520 person that kind of found that we were well suited 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:10.080 to kind of comic character guys despite our ravishingly good looks. 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.400 So yeah, So I came out to l a in 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:18.280 and then started doing commercial auditions and voiceover auditions and 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.839 little guest spots on TV shows. I was unlike Charmed, 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:26.040 and yeah and c S I and I did c 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:28.000 S I. You did see s I too. For you, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.080 I was a furry you're a guy who gets sexual 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.760 gratifications out of wearing a big furry suit. I was 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.360 creepy guy in supermarket. I'm not kidding, creepy guy in Supermarket. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:42.600 I think I was dog. I think literally that perfect. 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.640 I think that was my role that was perfect. Yes, 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.880 So I did a lot of that stuff and some pilots, 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.400 and I did some decent movie roles here and there, 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:54.080 and um, what happened for me that really led to 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.800 the office is a lot of people think I kind 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.640 of waltzt into Dwight. But the big role that put 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.839 me on the map was in Six ft Under. So 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:08.760 after a lot of slogging around the casting people, Libby Goldstein. Um, 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.160 they brought me in multiple times to six ft Under 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.760 and finally I got the role of Arthur and I 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.800 did ended up doing thirteen episodes on that right when 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:22.240 HBO was heating up, and that was kind of revolutionizing 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.560 what we think of as television. You know, Sopranos the 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:29.000 Wire were on at the same time. It was Entourage 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.760 and a lot of really amazing shows, including six ft 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.080 Under and uh, all of a sudden, I popped onto 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:40.640 people's radar. Um. It was really incredible how that happened, 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.200 because that was one of those shows that everyone in 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.600 l A watches. There's there are the shows that people 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.000 watch all across the country. They watch n c I, 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.960 S l A or something like that, and it's fifty 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.960 million people will watch it, but no one in l 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:58.680 A who are like taste makers watch it. So this 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:00.760 six ft Under was one of those kind of shows 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:02.720 and that's what put me on the map. And all 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.480 of a sudden, I was in kind of pretty high 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.000 demand for movies and stuff. I know, you want a 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:12.080 SAG Award for that, the Ensemble Ensemble SAG Award. Yeah. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.320 I might be the only person who has been part 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.800 of winning an Ensemble SAG Award for both Drama and 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.800 Comedy because I did it for six ft Under and 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:24.360 then twice we won I think twice we won uh 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:28.880 for The Office and now, so so you're in high demand, yeah, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.120 And were you aware of the British version of The Office? 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.200 I was. I was so my friend Sam Catlin, he 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.560 had heard about it and he had seen a couple 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.800 episodes and somehow gotten some like British DVD or something 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.480 like that, and had like even like an English DVD 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.600 player or something somehow had advanced copies and like, you've 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:50.680 got to see it. Groundbreaking, amazing, and so we went 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.160 over like on a special occasional We've got to watch 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:57.120 The Office, and we were blown away. So I was 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.800 really truly one of the first bowl to see it 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:02.480 in the United States. It might have been one of 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.600 the first couple of thousand people to see it in 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.040 the United States, and just we loved it. And then 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:08.920 he would get his hands on a couple more episodes 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:10.680 and we'd go back and have dinner and watched like 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:14.280 two or three more episodes. So I loved it. And 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.319 what happened was I got cast in a pilot with 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:21.920 Jeanine Garofalo for ABC. Mark Marin was in it and 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.800 Bob oden Kirk was in it. And this was this 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.040 infamous pilot that we did the table read and they 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.240 pulled the plug after the table read. So they had 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.760 sets built, we had locations, we had cast, we had 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.880 plane tickets. We were flying out the next day, literally 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.120 the next morning after the table read starts shooting and 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.960 uh did the table read? It went terribly, but I 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.360 guess what, I still got paid. And that was the 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.480 same pilot season as The Office. Kind of the Office 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.720 didn't really follow a pilot season when it was first casting, right, 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:59.720 So what happened was Vernon Sanders, who's one of the 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.000 big executives and executives right, and I ran into him 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:04.840 in the parking lot on the way to this infamous 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.440 table read and he's like, hey, we got good news 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:08.839 and I was like, what's that is? Like, we got 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.120 the rights to make the American version of the Office, 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:13.920 and I was like, outside, I was like, oh great, 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.960 and inside I was like, motherfucker, goddamn it. That's fucking sucks. 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.480 Because I love the British Office so much. I didn't 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.200 have an idea of like even what the American Office 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.880 would be or what role I would play or anything 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:29.800 like that. But I was just like inside, I was 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:34.200 just kicking myself. And then the plug gets pulled on that. 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.360 And then I called my people and I'm like, hey, 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:38.440 I hear about this office, and they're like, yeah, well 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.600 it was a few months to go on that. So 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.559 fortunately that the space was opened and the door was opened. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.360 The universe works in mysterious ways, Brian, That's right, it does, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.120 and so you eventually get a call to go in 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:56.679 and meet correct. I was the first audition for the office. 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:02.319 I have in my office at home, framed the audition 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:06.560 sheet of Alison Jones the first day of the auditions 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.400 for the office, and I was number one on that list. 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.320 So other people on the list, or Jenna Fisher you 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.840 can find. It's on my Instagram somewhere. It might even 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.440 be in my book in the in the photos included 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.880 in my books, so you guys can find it. But uh, 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.640 I think Adam Scott audition. I think there were, um, 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.640 there was a lot of great talent that auditions. My 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.760 story about that I'll share with you really quick was 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.040 when Steve left, Alison Jones came to me when he 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.440 had a little party, a little reception. She came and 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.640 she goes, I was looking for stuff for Steve that 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.200 I thought might be cool. She probably gave that to you, 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.079 like when she was searching around and she hands me 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.880 a sheet and it says Kevin and it says Brian 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:53.720 baum Gartner, Eric stone Street and Jorge Garcia. No kidding. 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.240 So that was like the final three. But oh fantastic. 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.559 So you and although Eric's down Street is way richer 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:07.400 than you, he is now yeah he sorry, shoot sorry, 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.440 So yeah. So on that first audition, I auditioned for 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:14.240 both Michael and Dwight, and my Michael was just terrible. 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.200 It was just simply a Ricky Gervais impersonation. And I 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.079 knew that I had more of an affinity for the 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.240 Dwight role. Uh, And I knew that I could really 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.720 deliver on that. I just felt it in my bones. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.360 I'm like, oh, this is me, this is that is 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.640 exactly my kind of weird. Yeah, well that I mean, 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:34.280 you're but you were so different also than Gareth in 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.720 the British version. I mean he was much yeah weasily 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:44.160 and and Dwight way more authoritarian and trying to derive power, 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:48.800 whereas Gareth seemed more backstabby. Yeah, we're different in a 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.400 lot of ways and similar in a lot of ways. 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:56.440 And it was this incredible luxury to go, Okay, here's 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:01.280 Mackenzie Crook, brilliant actor, really strange look dude, and he 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:06.040 killed as Gareth and was so interesting and I get 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.520 to steal all of his best stuff, and then there's 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.200 maybe stuff that I can add that's more of my own, 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.040 so it's win win all around. So one of the 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:20.360 things that Dwight is most known for is saying absolutely ludicrous, 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:25.040 preposterous stuff with a total straight face and a dead pan, 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:29.040 without any knowledge that what he's saying is ridiculous. And really, 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:33.800 Mackenzie did that so beautifully and I really just frankly 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.079 stole that from him. Another thing I stole from him 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.920 was the haircut. Um. I read an interview with him 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.320 where he said he went to like just a local 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.520 barber shop out in like Slough or some you know, 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.760 suburb of London, and he kind of got the haircut 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.360 that would be the least flattering for his head and 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.360 the most ridiculous haircut. And I read that I was like, oh, 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.600 I want to do that, so I spent time in 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.760 the mirror figuring out what's the haircut that is going 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.480 to make me look the most ridiculous. I have a 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.600 huge forehead, and I was like, I'm going to frame 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:09.240 my forehead perfectly with these little draperies of hair that 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:13.320 will highlight the enormity of my carapace. Is that a word? 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.120 I think it is a word. These guys aren't even listening. Um, 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.000 and then like really short on the sides, and then 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:22.120 in intense and then it evolved over time. But interesting now, 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.280 so we're not going to talk too much more about 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.720 the audition process, But at what point did you meet 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:30.720 John and Jenna and Steve in the callback sessions? Yeah? 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:35.320 So the callback sessions were months later, mostly for for 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.920 those listeners who don't know the way pilot season used 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.640 to work, at least less and less so. But all 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.760 the scripts would start getting released in December January, and 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.320 then all the auditions where this is called pilot season 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.960 January February. They'd shoot in like March early April. Decisions 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.040 would be made in late April or May about staffing 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:54.800 up for the summer, and if something was going to 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:56.320 be on the air in September, so it's always a 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.640 very narrow kind of window. It's like this, this is 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.040 how this nine month window worked. So the office was 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.400 outside of those bounds a little bit. I think my 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:07.360 first audition was like in September, October, and then the 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.200 callback was like December, and then we shot in like 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.320 February or something like that. So I had to wait 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:17.600 months after that first audition, and they had a callback 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:21.320 situation where they brought everyone and their mother and anyone 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.240 they were considering for the role over a weekend, and 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:29.040 Greg was incredibly thorough and I spent maybe I spent 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.520 seven or eight hours on one of the first day there, 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:36.240 and I met Jenna, I met John um. Steve was 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.040 shooting some other stuff, but he had a little bit 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.080 of time and we improvised together and did a couple 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.920 of scenes together. We were given scene, oh here, tried 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.960 this scene, tried this scene. Not much time to prepare 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.640 stuff we've never seen and just like just just shoot it, 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.880 you know, and then we'd improvise, you know, like Jim 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.720 brings Dwight a glass of water, and it's like just 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.160 improvised Jim bringing you a glass of water, and Dwight 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.000 as immediately distrustful, like as he poisoned it or something 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.520 like that, and and that was not really my gig. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.600 I didn't do, you know, upright citizens Brigade or groundlings. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.720 I wasn't really an improv guy, but I'm good at 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:12.120 improving kind of in character. In fact, later after I 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.440 was cast, Greg came to me and we had a 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.120 coffee and he gave me kind of a little bit 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:22.760 of a warning talk, and it kind of scared me. Essentially, 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.680 he said, in a very diplomatic way, you improvised better 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.760 than you act when you're on the script. And I 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.800 was like, what, He's like, Yeah, it was more, it's 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.920 more natural. It's more when you're doing scripted stuff, it 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.360 feels a little heavy and a little forced. And I 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.640 was like, oh, and this was before we were going 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:46.800 to shoot the pilot. So I begged my manager. I 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.080 was like, I want to see the audition tapes. I 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.760 want to see my audition tapes. And sure enough, he 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:56.400 was right, because somehow, when I improvised, it was just 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.360 a little looser, as a little more off the cough. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.120 It was a little weirder when I was doing scripted stuff. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:02.960 It's I don't want to say it sounded like a 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:04.960 theater actor or something like that, but it sounded a 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:09.680 little more scripted. It didn't have that kind of documentary 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.200 feel that the office had to have, and it was 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.280 a really great learning experience, like, Oh, I need to 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.720 just kind of let the script, let the script go, 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.159 improvise around the script, let it be much lighter. That 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.840 is fascinating. I did not know that story, but it 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:25.560 kept me up at night. 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So Um, I always say that 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.680 in terms of like when people ask me about playing Dwight, 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.879 I always say that I think my goal was to 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:26.520 make Dwight very specific, you know, having you know, Dwight 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:30.679 have a pager, stand a certain way, like drive a 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:33.040 certain way, sitting in his chair a certain way, have 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:37.080 certain attitudes about certain things that are very specified because 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:40.520 no one had done like combination muscle car nerd. You know, 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:42.760 when you think about it, there's a lot of disparate 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.960 elements that go into the creation of Dwight, like heavy 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:50.679 metal muscle car rarely equals Battlestar Galactica fan. And I 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:52.040 do think this is true as an act. And the 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:55.160 more specific you make your character, that made him more 0:21:55.320 --> 0:22:01.480 human and then more relatable. Um So muscle car nerd, 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:06.800 um heavy metal, you know Amish. Of course, Greg Daniels 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:10.440 always said that the beat farmer thing was his grandparents. 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:13.800 I think we're beat literally beat farmers in Poland and 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:17.119 they grew beats. Um. I think like before the Holocaust 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:21.080 and uh so he put that in from that, I 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:24.920 did not know that. So the beat farm was from yes, 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.480 and then the glasses, which, by the way, I really 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:30.760 do think that DWIGHTE has influenced popular culture because now 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:32.879 all the hipsters were the DWIGHTE glasses. You were the 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.480 first hipster. Yeah, I really was. I was like the 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.760 hipster nerd who took those glasses. And and now everyone 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:42.640 who goes to Intelligencia Coffee and silver Lake or Brooklyn 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:47.280 are wearing those same glasses. Yeah. Um, free commercial for 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:52.680 Intelligencia Coffee. Thank you, I'll take my gift card please. Um. 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:56.359 Was there anything for you as a theater actor like myself? 0:22:56.400 --> 0:23:01.000 It's a loaded question. Was there anything physically, any physical 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:05.680 manifestation of Dwight within Rain? That's a great question, And 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.760 yes there was. And I've never really talked about this before, 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:11.960 but I went to theater school. I was an n 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:15.800 y U grad program, did a lot of like clowning, 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:18.880 and did a lot of a lot of physical work 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.240 and physical theater. You were involved in physical theater in Minneapolis. 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:25.320 And I'm not trying to sound pretentious at all like 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.119 Mr Theater, but when you get that kind of training, 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:29.720 a lot of it is physical, like how do you 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.480 find a character in your body? You know, that's part 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:35.520 of clown work as well. But there were certain elements 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.480 of Dwight that if I needed to kind of get 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:41.040 into character, I could just put my attention and put 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:43.720 my focus in certain parts of my body and I 0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:47.440 would immediately be Dwight, like a really like a straight neck, 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:52.360 you know, and uh kind of hips forward and kind 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:55.280 of thinking about like like big hips. Like I don't 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:58.040 know if you noticed that Dwight always stands too close 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:00.800 to people and someone's sitting down and he's standing next 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:03.040 to him, like his hips are like really like big 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:05.919 next to their face kind of, and there's kind of 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:09.399 a ramrod neck, a little bit of a swagger, and 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.320 the shoulders thrown back. Those were some of the elements 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:14.919