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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we cut.

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Speaker 2: Through the noise to get to the heart of what matters,

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Speaker 2: to get to the heart of what's shaping or nation today.

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Speaker 2: We have the great honor to have former Speaker new Gingridge,

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Speaker 2: a political titan and also the author of the new

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Speaker 2: book Trump's Triumph, America's Greatest Comeback, on the show. We're

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Speaker 2: going to get to a lot a lot to unpack

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Speaker 2: with Speaker new Gingridge, because basically he's brilliant well impact

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Speaker 2: why President Trump remains one of the most misunderstood figures

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Speaker 2: in modern politics. We'll also dive into the details of

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Speaker 2: the Big Beautiful Bill. We know it's big, but is

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Speaker 2: it beautiful?

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Speaker 1: Willso tackle some of.

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Speaker 2: The pressing issues like the challenges of cutting government spending

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Speaker 2: and whether Speaker Johnson a majority leader thoon or moving

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Speaker 2: fast enough to deliver results for you, the American people.

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Speaker 2: We also talk about Joe Biden's mental decline, How much

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Speaker 2: to Congress focus on that, what should they do about it?

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Speaker 1: Moving forward? We have hearings.

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Speaker 2: We'll also get into the rising political violence on the left.

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Speaker 2: Has he seen the political left be so dangerous before?

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Speaker 1: What's the impact of that? On the country.

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Speaker 2: We'll also dig into the Democrats' struggles and the future

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Speaker 2: of the Republican Party and lastly, and maybe most importantly,

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Speaker 2: how will history remember President Trump?

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Speaker 1: So stay tuned for.

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Speaker 2: This very thoughtful conversation with Speaker new Gingrich, who's been

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Speaker 2: very generous with his time. It's an honor to have

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Speaker 2: him on, and trust me, you're going to love this interview.

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Speaker 1: We'll speak her New Gingrich.

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Speaker 2: It's always such an honor to have you on the show.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was telling you before we got started. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: there is an influx of information in today's world, and

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Speaker 2: most of it's not correct, and most people are letting

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Speaker 2: their hair on fire when they shouldn't be. So it's

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Speaker 2: always just great to to hear what you have to

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Speaker 2: say because obviously you're a student of history, but you've

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Speaker 2: also lived it in a very meaningful way, so you

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Speaker 2: always just provide such great wisdom.

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Speaker 1: So I'm really looking forward to this conversation.

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Speaker 3: Well that's so I'm delighted to be with you and

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Speaker 3: to be with your podcast. I think you do a

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Speaker 3: great job and this is a terrific chance to have

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Speaker 3: a good conversation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. I really appreciate that, so I wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask you.

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Speaker 2: Obviously we'll get into your book later, but I also

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Speaker 2: wanted to start off with you know, after writing your

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Speaker 2: latest book, Trump's Triumph America's Greatest Comeback, why do you

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Speaker 2: think President Trump is still so misunderstood by so many?

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Speaker 4: I think for two reasons.

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Speaker 3: One, they get overwhelmed by the daily noise, including his noise,

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Speaker 3: and so it's very hard for normal for people to

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Speaker 3: put it all together, so they Part of the reason

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Speaker 3: I wrote Trump's Triumph was to give a historic framework

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Speaker 4: And then two, for the people who.

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Speaker 3: Don't like him, is so great, they can't think and

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Speaker 3: they can't back off and in an objective way try

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Speaker 3: to understand why he's so effective despite how much they

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Speaker 3: of what's going on here, that you just don't have

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Speaker 3: people who are willing to think beyond the immediate and

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Speaker 3: it could be done. And I find that that Trump.

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Speaker 3: If you view Trump strategically, he's pretty understandable. But if

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Speaker 3: you just try to follow the day after day tactical

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Speaker 3: maneuvering and the sheer noise. It's very hard to sort

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Speaker 3: it out. I spend probably three to five hours a

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Speaker 3: day trying to understand Trump and trying to understand what's

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Speaker 3: going on, not just Trump, but things like the Ukrainian

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Speaker 3: extraordinary achievement and taking out the Russian aircraft, or what's

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Speaker 4: I mean, all that stuff is just amazing.

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Speaker 2: I wonder how much of it do you think is

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Speaker 2: because he just doesn't fit any mold, right, Like he

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Speaker 1: So it's you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a very big part of it.

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Speaker 3: And I find in my own case, because I've been

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Speaker 3: we went through this this the Taco attack on him

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Speaker 3: everything we know about him in terms of his historic

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Speaker 3: scale that no president since Franklin Roosevelt comes anywhere close

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Speaker 3: to the level of change that Trump is engaged in.

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Speaker 3: And if Trump can succeed in the twenty sixth election,

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Speaker 3: in the twenty eight election, he will be I think

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Speaker 3: the most consequential president since Washington and Lincoln. So he's

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Speaker 3: changing the culture, he's changing the government, he's changing the

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Speaker 3: politics and creating an entirely new coalition, and people who

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Speaker 2: What is interesting is, as you're laying out everything that

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Speaker 2: he has survived and been able to triumph over per

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Speaker 2: your book, it is remark. I mean, is there anyone

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Speaker 2: else that could handle all that? I mean I would

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Speaker 4: Well, look, I.

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Speaker 3: Worked very closely with Reagan, and Reagan was an extraordinary

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Speaker 3: economy with his three year tax cuts and rebuilt American

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Speaker 3: Nixon maybe the closest. And of course, in Nixon's case,

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Speaker 3: was inconceivable in his generation. So Trump's had a unique

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Speaker 3: moment in American history where a movement that began with

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Speaker 3: this is why the title of my book is Trump's

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Speaker 3: Triumph and America's Greatest Comeback, because it's the combination of

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Speaker 3: And it's the combination of the energy of the movement

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Speaker 1: What do you think makes him so tough?

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Speaker 2: You know, the man you've also you know, lived through

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Speaker 1: What makes him so tough.

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Speaker 4: Moving moving from Queens to Manhattan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because when he got to Manhattan, he was never

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Speaker 4: It over to him.

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Speaker 3: He solved it in four months, came in twenty five

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Speaker 4: This is so easy to solve.

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Speaker 3: And so he said later on, he said it was

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Speaker 3: a miracle. But he's doing all this as an outsider.

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Speaker 3: you're in the elites, who is this outsider doing all

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Speaker 4: He had look, the.

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Speaker 4: Trump can turn out the vote.

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Speaker 3: But we've got I think thirteen Democrat Democrats in the

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Speaker 4: Now we've switched.

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Speaker 3: We're the Party of working Americans, and we're the party

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Speaker 2: What it's sort of ironic, because the media and the

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Speaker 3: Well, I think President Trump picked JD. Fans, who was

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Speaker 2: He does seem to really respect him, even just you

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Speaker 3: I think Senator Thune is doing a very good job

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Speaker 3: After if you're just running a smaller deficit, Why can't

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Speaker 3: I have mine because it's going to be a deficit anyway.

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Speaker 3: But if the goal is a balance budget, then people

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Speaker 3: will tolerate cuts that they will not tolerate in a

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Speaker 3: period of deficits. Second, I think you have to make

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Speaker 3: America healthy again as a core goal, because if people

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Speaker 3: are healthy and don't need health care, then the cost

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Speaker 3: of health care will drop dramatically, not because you're cutting it,

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Speaker 3: but because people are healthier. And I think you can

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Speaker 3: get probably four percent of the gross domestic product just

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Speaker 3: by implementing making Americans healthy again, and that four percent

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Speaker 3: is enough basically to get you to a balanced budget.

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Speaker 2: How would you assess President Trump's job so far? How

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Speaker 2: do you think he's doing in this term and how

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Speaker 2: would you sort of compare that to his first term.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think in scale of achievement, it's an a plus.

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Speaker 3: As I've said earlier, he currently is on a path

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Speaker 3: to be far and away the biggest change agent since FDR,

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Speaker 3: and if he can win in twenty six and twenty eight,

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Speaker 3: he will have been an even bigger change agent I

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Speaker 3: think than FDR. But I would also say that i'd

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Speaker 3: probably give him an a minus for style. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he gets involved in fights, he doesn't need, and he

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Speaker 3: gets involved.

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Speaker 1: In it is entertaining, though, I mean, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean it's entertaining, but it's not necessarily helpful. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, but he's still you know, he's he's simply an

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Speaker 3: extraordinary person. And that's why when I wrote Trump's Tiumph

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Speaker 3: and we began in October because I was sure.

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Speaker 4: He was going to win.

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Speaker 3: It's it's hard to imagine anybody else having the endurance

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Speaker 3: and the courage and the energy and frankly the intelligence.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a very very smart guy. And

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Speaker 3: Left made a huge mistake by rigging the election in

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Speaker 3: twenty and giving him four years in the wilderness to

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Speaker 3: think about things and to put together what he really

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Speaker 3: wants to accomplish. And I think he's going to be

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Speaker 3: extraordinarily effective.

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Speaker 1: What's the thing?

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Speaker 2: People never give him credit for how smart he is.

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Speaker 2: And I think one thing that really stood out to

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Speaker 2: me this in the past election cycle, particularly and particularly

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Speaker 2: in these line, longer form interviews that he did with

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Speaker 2: you know, his sit down interview with Joe Rogan or

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Speaker 2: the interview he did with Elon on X.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy is brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Like name one Democrat who could sit down with anyone

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Speaker 2: and have a two to three hour conversation in depth

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Speaker 2: and be able to really understand the issues, dive into

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Speaker 2: the issues, and then also present ways to solve them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill Clinton, Yeah, well, yeah, actually that's a good point.

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Speaker 4: Well, Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 3: Bill Clinton is the one modern Democrat who could who

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Speaker 3: could do Joe Rogan and be fine. Nobody else could.

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Speaker 3: Obama couldn't. Obviously, Biden would be silly. And and I

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Speaker 3: don't know of any Democratic governor or senator who could

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Speaker 3: go through three or four hours like that and have

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Speaker 3: the range of knowledge and the range of common sense.

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Speaker 3: And they're they're prohibited by their ideology from having solutions.

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Speaker 3: They can't take on the teachers' union, they can't take

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Speaker 3: on the government bureaucracy, they can't take on their left

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Speaker 3: wing allies, so they can't solve things. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: a huge problem for the Democrat Party right now. It's

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Speaker 3: become the party of.

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Speaker 2: No well and yeah, the party of twenty percent issues.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like it's sort of baffling, Like even

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Speaker 2: on the men and women's sports, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: eighty percent of the country disagrees with you, yet they're

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Speaker 2: digging in in states like California or Maine.

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Speaker 3: You know, or favoring the return of people who are

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Speaker 3: deported for being criminals, or being offended that we're locking

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Speaker 3: up people who are criminals, you know. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: go through item after item. We do a project. We

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Speaker 3: run a project called the America's New Majority Project, which

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Speaker 3: people can see if they go to America's New Majority

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Speaker 3: Project dot com. And it is astonishing to me that

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Speaker 3: the Democrats are consistently on the fifteen to twenty percent

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Speaker 3: range and it's gradually wearing their party down.

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Speaker 2: We've got to take a quick commercial break, but if

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Speaker 2: you're enjoying this episode so far, please post on social

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Speaker 2: media or share with your friends. What's interesting is I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you think about at least the immigration issue, like

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Speaker 2: I wonder if this was thought out or because if

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Speaker 2: you think about it's kind of genius. Because Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: earned the Democrat party they led in like millions of

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Speaker 2: illegal aliens to the country. Obviously they want some sort

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Speaker 2: of pathway to citizenship and pathway to vote for them,

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Speaker 2: so import like this new voter base, and then it's

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Speaker 2: virtually impossible to deport all of them because judges keep

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Speaker 2: trying to block President Trump's attempts, and he's trying to

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Speaker 2: be creative and finding ways to deport them so they

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Speaker 2: might be stuck here, and so like, that's kind of brilliant.

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Speaker 2: And what's the long term impact of that on the country?

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Speaker 2: And do you think that that was some thought out

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Speaker 2: master plan of theirs or it just sort of happened.

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Speaker 3: No. I think what's happened is that the district level judges,

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Speaker 3: the left wing, once appointed by Obama and by Biden,

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Speaker 3: have become the last stand trying to stop trump Ism,

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Speaker 3: and so they made decisions which are clearly unconstitutional. I

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Speaker 3: do not believe the dish judges have the ability to

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Speaker 3: issue a nationwide injunction usurping the President United States. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the idea that some local district judge who's never been

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Speaker 3: elected and is not particularly an expert on the subject

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Speaker 3: matter can overrule the incumbent chief of staff, a chief

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Speaker 3: executive in president United States is crazy. And Jefferson said

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Speaker 3: rule by judges would be an oligarchy. Lincoln made the

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Speaker 3: eighteen fifty eight Senate race around the Supreme Court being

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Speaker 3: wrong on the dred Scott decision that extended slavery to

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Speaker 3: the whole country. In fact, Lincoln lectured the Chief Justice

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Speaker 3: of the Supreme Court who was sitting in front of

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Speaker 3: him when he gave his inaugural address in eighteen sixty one.

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Speaker 3: And I'm convinced that Lincoln in part said government of

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Speaker 3: the people, by the people, and for the people as

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Speaker 3: a rebuke to the judges. And so I think that

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Speaker 3: we are right at the edge of a genuine constitutional

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Speaker 3: crisis in which judges are grotesque overreaching and doing things

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Speaker 3: that they don't have the power to do in areas

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Speaker 3: that they don't have the knowledge of, and they are

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Speaker 3: trying to usurp somebody who got seventy seven million votes,

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Speaker 3: Well they got zero.

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Speaker 1: Well what's the path forward on that? Like, what do

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Speaker 1: we do about it?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: I testified in the House Judiciary Committee a couple of

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Speaker 3: months ago, and I started my testimony by reading the

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Speaker 3: names of fourteen people who turned out to be the

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Speaker 3: fourteen judges who were abolished by Jefferson in the Judicial

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Speaker 3: Act of eighteen o two. He didn't impeach him, he

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Speaker 3: just eliminated the courts. So one step would be for

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Speaker 3: the appropriations committees to simply abolish the payment for the

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Speaker 3: judges who are nuts. Another step would be to pass

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Speaker 3: finish passing the bill which Daryl Aia passed in the

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Speaker 3: House which blocks district judges from issuing nationwide injunctions. There's

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Speaker 3: a parallel bill by Senator Grassley and the Senate. If that,

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Speaker 3: if those two bills could be passed, then that would

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Speaker 3: frankly eliminate the district judge level problem. But there are

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Speaker 3: steps that can be taken and should be taken. The

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Speaker 3: founding fathers were very clear if you read the Federalist papers,

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Speaker 3: that the Court was to be the weakest of the three,

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Speaker 3: not the strongest, and that the Supreme Court was supreme

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Speaker 3: only among courts. It's not supreme over the House and Senate.

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Speaker 3: And the founding fathers would have thought it was absurd

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Speaker 3: to have some of the kind of power invested in

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Speaker 3: the judiciary that has currently invested in them.

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Speaker 4: And they would have said that it's.

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Speaker 3: An infringement on the right of a people to govern

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Speaker 3: themselves to have a small bunch of judges who think that,

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Speaker 3: you know, they can be a floating constitutional convention by

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Speaker 3: four to three or five to four majorities in which

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Speaker 3: on one swing judge suddenly becomes the equivalent of an

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Speaker 3: entire constitutional convention.

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Speaker 2: In the past few weeks, we have seen someone torch

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Speaker 2: the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion Josh Shapiro because he's Jewish, two

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Speaker 2: Jews executed at the Israeli Embassy in Washington, DC, and

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Speaker 2: then over last weekend we saw utterly Jewish people set

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Speaker 2: on fire and boulder at Colorado. How dangerous is the

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Speaker 2: political left And have they gotten more dangerous since your

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Speaker 2: time in office.

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Speaker 3: Well, they've become much more extreme and much more violent,

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Speaker 3: much more self righteous, convinced that their moral purity allows

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Speaker 3: them to do whatever they want to, and I think

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Speaker 3: more desperate. I think we have to clamp down on

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Speaker 3: anti Semitism. Anti Semitism should be the equivalent of the

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Speaker 3: ku Klux Klan. I mean, people would not tolerate the

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Speaker 3: ku Klux Klan demonstrating at Columbia University or Harvard. They

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Speaker 3: wouldn't tolerate the ku Klux Klan trying to kill people

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Speaker 3: to a Black church. And I think that we have

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Speaker 3: to have the same decision that being anti Submitica simply

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Speaker 3: unacceptable in American society, that if you are here on

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Speaker 3: a visa, we should expel you. If you're here as

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Speaker 3: an American. We should have very strict penalties and we

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Speaker 3: should make it very very expensive to be openly anti submitted.

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Speaker 2: You know, we saw with a suspect in Boulder, Colorado.

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Speaker 2: He was denied a visa in two thousand and five,

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Speaker 2: granted one under the Biden administration, and then he overstayed,

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Speaker 2: and that was also granted a work permit after overstaying.

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Speaker 2: And then yet the Trump administration has been condemned for

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Speaker 2: trying to revoke visas. Do we I mean, I feel

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Speaker 2: like we should just do a complete overhaul in the

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Speaker 2: visa process, Like why are we letting these people in

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Speaker 2: the United States? Like what does that vetting look like?

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Speaker 2: Who are we letting into the United States? You know,

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Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on that and which I've done

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Speaker 2: about it?

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Speaker 3: Look, I think that's why they've for example, suspended student visas,

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Speaker 3: because we we have to build a very different system.

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Speaker 3: I would say that unless you are prepared to accept

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Speaker 3: that the US Constitution is the law of the land,

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Speaker 3: and that, for example, you couldn't have sharia in the

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Speaker 3: context of the US Constitution.

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Speaker 4: I think anybody who is.

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Speaker 3: Either a member of the Chinese Communist Party or whose

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Speaker 3: family can be blackmailed by the Chinese Communist Party. It's

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Speaker 3: very dubious to me why you would give them the

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Speaker 3: student visa, because you know that they're going to become

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Speaker 3: they have a very high possibility becoming spies. And we

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Speaker 3: now know that that's a real problem or and a

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Speaker 3: real challenge. And we've we've had some very sobering reports

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Speaker 3: such as the couple, for example, who had brought in

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Speaker 3: a fungus which could have been devastating as an epidemic,

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Speaker 3: and there's no good reason for them to have brought

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Speaker 3: it in, and they brought it in secretly and in

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Speaker 3: violation of our national security laws. And so I think

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Speaker 3: we've got to become much tougher and much clearer our

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Speaker 3: unwillingness to accept foreign threats being injected into our society.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one thing, you know, I'd love your perspective on

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Speaker 2: this historically.

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Speaker 1: But what's interesting to.

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Speaker 2: Me is we are in a time right now where

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Speaker 2: you know, fifty percent of the country like they believe,

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Speaker 2: or probably less than that, but they believe President Trump

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Speaker 2: is a threat to democracy, like they basically view him

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Speaker 2: as Hitler, as they have pointed out previously and then

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Speaker 2: on the right over the past four years in the

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Speaker 2: Bio administration, We're like, this guy is a threat to democracy.

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Speaker 1: So you have half of.

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Speaker 2: The country believing the other part. You know that there

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Speaker 2: were threat to democracy and vice versa, So how do

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Speaker 2: we navigate that moving forward? Have you have you ever

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Speaker 2: seen the country this divided from a historical perspective, and like,

662
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Speaker 2: what do we do about it moving forward?

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Speaker 3: Well, when it was this divided in the eighteen fifties, right, yeah,

664
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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, but we.

665
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Speaker 4: Shouldn't kill ourselves. I had a very famous Lincoln scholar.

666
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Speaker 1: I guess more in modern history it probably should have.

667
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Speaker 3: Asked, there have been periods when we've had some limited threats,

668
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: but nothing on this scale. And I had a Lincoln

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Speaker 3: scholar tell me in October that the hostility to Trump

670
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Speaker 3: very much represented the hostility of the slave states to Lincoln.

671
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: And it was for the same reason because Trump represented

672
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: the end of the left wing elites worldview, just as

673
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: Lincoln had ultimately meant the end of slaveholding in the

674
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Speaker 3: Southern culture. And I think that we have to understand

675
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: this is a real cultural civil war. This is the

676
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: people sincerely, deeply believe things on the left which you

677
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 3: and I would think are crazy, but they believe them,

678
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 3: and they operate on those beliefs, and they're not going

679
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: to give them up easily. And they feel extraordinarily threatened

680
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: by the MAGA movement and by Trump, and by the

681
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 3: whole notion that we are not going to tolerate you with,

682
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 3: for example, that we're going to insist that boys should

683
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 3: not be competing in girls' sports. Well, if you are

684
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: truly on the left, that that's a horrifying idea, and

685
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: there's a sign that we're totally insensitive.

686
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 4: Or if we insist.

687
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: That, uh, you know, the only flag you should fly

688
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: in front of a US embassy is the American flag, well,

689
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 3: from the standpoint of the gay pride movement, that's that's

690
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: a horrifying idea. Or if we insist that parents have

691
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 3: a right to know what's being told there are children

692
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 3: in class, then you have a large part of the

693
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Speaker 3: teachers union that feels that we have now usurped their

694
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Speaker 3: role as the ultimate controller of children. Uh And and

695
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: many elements the teachers union are anti parent and don't

696
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: want parents in the classroom, don't want parents involved. So

697
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I think these are these are real, fundamental,

698
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: profound differences and they're not going to go away easily.

699
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Speaker 2: We're finding out a lot about Joe Biden's mental a

700
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: client well and office. Obviously we all knew it at

701
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: the time, but we're finding out just you know, how

702
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: deep it went and how.

703
00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: Bad it was.

704
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Speaker 2: How much should Republicans focus on it? Should Republicans have hearings?

705
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Speaker 2: You know, what do you like? Is that looking back?

706
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: Should we be looking forward? Or you know, if you

707
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: were Speaker Johnson or Majority Leader Thoon, how.

708
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Speaker 1: Would you handle this issue in Congress?

709
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Speaker 3: Well, look, I think it's probably going to turn out

710
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 3: to be the biggest scandal in American history. You had

711
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 3: you clearly sometime I think in twenty twenty three Biden

712
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: lost the ability to be president. And for example, after

713
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Speaker 3: the election, on one day, they commuted twenty four hundred sentences.

714
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: Now it was then with an auto pen Who picked

715
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Speaker 3: the twenty four hundred? Why were they included? Why was

716
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: that particular action undertaken? Who decided it? Because clearly Biden didn't,

717
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: So there was somebody basically playing the role of president.

718
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: Because it's clearly a presidential prerogative in the Constitution, and

719
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: you can just go through item after item like that

720
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Speaker 3: I mean Secretary of Energy right coming to the other

721
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 3: day that they had shoveled his award, was shoveled seventy

722
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Speaker 3: three billion dollars in grants out of the Energy Department

723
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Speaker 3: in a very short period of time, trying to get

724
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: the money out before Trump could come in and block it. Well, again,

725
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: who's making those kind of decisions? Because I think you're

726
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: going to find that there's almost no presidential control and

727
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 3: no presidential influence except in the very broadest sense of things,

728
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Speaker 3: but that overall, at some point, as I said, I

729
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: think it's in twenty three, Biden simply ceased to be

730
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Speaker 3: capable of following the information and following the ideas and

731
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Speaker 3: making big decisions.

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Speaker 4: So somebody was, and if not him, who.

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Speaker 2: I also find it interesting because even going back to

734
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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, you know, we had that basement campaign during

735
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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty presidential election, and they blamed COVID, But

736
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Speaker 2: now increasingly it's looking like no, he was just already

737
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Speaker 2: experiencing mental decline and that was an excuse to hide

738
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Speaker 2: him in the basement. And even they were saying in

739
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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen in this book that he forgot the name

740
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Speaker 2: of an AID who had been with him since I

741
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Speaker 2: think nineteen eighty one, so it's basically a family member

742
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Speaker 2: at this point. You know, So this wasn't even just

743
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Speaker 2: a you know, a twenty twenty four issue. It seems

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Speaker 2: like this was a twenty twenty issue.

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Speaker 3: I think it could have been, except that you had

746
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Speaker 3: the propaganda media so deeply committed to propping him up.

747
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Speaker 3: Which is why I think having somebody like Jake Tapper

748
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: write a book is hysterical, because so Taper was one

749
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: of the chief defenders of Biden, and now he's writing

750
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Speaker 3: a book saying that the media failed to cover this

751
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: when he was part of the people who failed to

752
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Speaker 3: cover it.

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Speaker 1: Well, speaker, I'm sure you saw did he just did it?

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Speaker 2: Creane gene Pierre, of all people, I mean, that's like

755
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Speaker 2: you were the mouthpiece, yes for all questions.

756
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Speaker 4: I think she's setting up to sell books.

757
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Speaker 3: So she's now left the Democratic Party, creating news by

758
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Speaker 3: becoming an independent. Frankly, I suspect a number of Democrats

759
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: are glad she's left. I always thought that she was

760
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: a peculiarly bad press person for the president, and she

761
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: didn't help him at all. I didn't think and that's

762
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Speaker 3: a very hard job anyway, But if you look at

763
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Speaker 3: the contrast with how Caroline Lovet's doing it, it's astonishingly

764
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Speaker 3: how difference the impact is.

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Speaker 1: One thing I think we found.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's been interesting with all the DOGE information

767
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Speaker 2: that has surfaced, is you look, I mean you look

768
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Speaker 2: at all this money, like even the Stacy Abrams. I

769
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Speaker 2: think it was like two billion dollar grant that she received,

770
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Speaker 2: if memory serves me correct. I mean, how much of

771
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Speaker 2: government spending is just like a money laundering scheme for politicians.

772
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think that's a good example where

773
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 3: we have to get to the bottom of it. I mean,

774
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Speaker 3: what was she doing for the money? Did she actually

775
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Speaker 3: do it? The amount was astonishing. But look, one of

776
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Speaker 3: the key parts of the Democratic Party is that it's

777
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: a machine that's held together by money. And this is

778
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 3: why they're they're in for a very difficult challenge because

779
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 3: if the Republicans and Trump can cut off the flow

780
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: of government money and taxpayer money to these machines, they're

781
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: going to start collapsing because they're not held together by affection.

782
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: They're held together by cash. And that's why if you

783
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: watch both Obama and Biden, they were very very big

784
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 3: on giving out money. The various green issues was probably

785
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: their best cover for doing it. But they were paying

786
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Speaker 3: off a lot of people with a lot of money.

787
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Speaker 4: And the number of corporations that failed.

788
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Speaker 3: Once they could no longer access you know that kind

789
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Speaker 3: of money is just astonishing me. You go back to

790
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 3: go look at the various green firms that would get two, three,

791
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: four hundred million dollars and then fail deliver nothing. And

792
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Speaker 3: it was all basically a way.

793
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Speaker 1: Of paying people off, like Clendra.

794
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Speaker 3: That's the classic example. And it came under Obama, which

795
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: is a key part of this. And I keep talking

796
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: about the Obama Biden connection because I think we're I

797
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 3: think we're missing it if we if we just focus

798
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: on Biden. Was this was a twelve year I think

799
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Speaker 3: of Biden as the Obama's third term. This was a

800
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: twelve year project of trying to move America to the

801
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: left and trying to build a machine with taxpayer money.

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Speaker 1: Quick break stay with Us.

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Speaker 2: Has any other Democrat president done as much harm to

804
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Speaker 2: the country than Obama?

805
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you can.

806
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Speaker 3: Make an argument for a Buchanan and just before the

807
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 3: Civil War, but if you look at the last century,

808
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: I would say no that. But again, I think what

809
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: you had was the Obama team came back in the

810
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: White House with Biden, and everything which Obama had started

811
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 3: just got a lot sicker and a lot worse over

812
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Speaker 3: the overtime. And in a sense, if Trump had had

813
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: accepted defeat and gone away, he would have been sort

814
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 3: of a brief interruption in the gradual decay of America.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

816
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Speaker 4: And it was. It was part of the reason I

817
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 4: wrote Trump's Triumph. It is just the sheer courage of saying.

818
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Speaker 3: No, I'm not leaving, I'm going to stay here, I'm

819
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 3: going to fight it out, and I'm going to get

820
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: this country back on track. And then I think he

821
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: interpreted the providential moment of turning his head at the

822
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Speaker 3: exact second necessary.

823
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Speaker 4: To avoid getting killed at Butler.

824
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Speaker 3: I think that gave him a real sense that God

825
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 3: had saved his life for the purpose of making America

826
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Speaker 3: great again. And it's made him a much more i think,

827
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: focused and a much more reverential person than he was

828
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Speaker 3: in the first term.

829
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Speaker 2: Probably the moment that won him the election, because you know,

830
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: America is really in need of a fighter, and we

831
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: had an incredibly weak president and here's this guy that like,

832
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: survives a bullet and his immediate instinct is to stand

833
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: up and say a fight, fight, fight, Like who is.

834
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Speaker 1: Made of that? You know? It's like, yeah, it was remarkable.

835
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Speaker 3: It was really one of the iconic moments in defining him,

836
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Speaker 3: as was I think the picture they took in the

837
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Speaker 3: Fulton County Sheriff's office, the mugshot where Trump looks very angry,

838
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Speaker 3: And I think I was told that in a number

839
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Speaker 3: of black barbershops they were putting that picture up because

840
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: it showed that the man was after him, just like

841
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 3: they were after in their mind, their community.

842
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 4: So it actually created a common identity.

843
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: As somebody who's written multiple books about Trump, what new

844
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: insights or perspectives did you cover in writing this book,

845
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: Trump's Triumph.

846
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Speaker 3: Well, I think that there's a continuity to Trump, So

847
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: in that sense, I don't think there's a giant changes,

848
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 3: but I think his ability as a communicator. I mean,

849
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 3: you can't imagine anybody else passing out French fries at

850
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 3: McDonald's and then riding in a garbage truck and going

851
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Speaker 3: into a fifty thousand person rally wearing a garbage collector's

852
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 3: vest and saying they say this makes me look thinner.

853
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 3: Maybe I should wear it for the rest of the campaign.

854
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Speaker 4: I mean that.

855
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 3: Ability to connect with Americans, remembering that eighty seven percent

856
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: of the country goes to McDonald's at least once a year,

857
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 3: and forty million Americans, including Jeff Beza's work at McDonald's.

858
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: He has a sense of where the average American is

859
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 3: better than any politician I've ever seen. And at the

860
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: same time, I think you see this growth in my

861
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 3: book on Trump's triumph. He really did become a more

862
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Speaker 3: serious person and a more reverential person, particularly after the

863
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Speaker 3: second assassination attempt. I was talking with speaker Mike Johnson

864
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Speaker 3: at one point and he said he happened to be

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Speaker 3: at more on logo when the FBI or when the

866
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Speaker 3: Secret Service came in to brief Trump on this second

867
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Speaker 3: effort to kill him, which was the guy that they

868
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: caught in the golf course. And he said that really

869
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: shook Trump and made it different from there was this

870
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 3: nut in Butler too, there really is a serious desire

871
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Speaker 3: to kill me. And Johnson went off with Trump to

872
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: a private room and they prayed for two hours, and

873
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Speaker 3: I think that that was the moment where Trump really

874
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 3: believed that he had a moral duty to implement what

875
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: he saw is God's desire to make America great again.

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Speaker 3: And it reminded me Callissa and I had done two movies,

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Speaker 3: Nine Days to Change the World about John Paul the

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Speaker 3: second and then Run The Destiny about Reagan, And when

879
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Speaker 3: the two of them got together for the very first time,

880
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: they were comparing notes.

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Speaker 4: They'd both been actors.

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00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: John Paul was an actor before he became a priest,

883
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 3: and of course Reagan had been very successful as an actor,

884
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: and they'd.

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00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 4: Both been shot and survived, and they talked about but

886
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 4: what does.

887
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: It mean that God has spared us? And their mutual

888
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 3: conclusion was that they'd been spared in order to defeat

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Speaker 3: the Soviet Empire, and so they agreed that they'd have

890
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: an alliance to do just that, and of course, a

891
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: few years later, the Soviet Empire disappeared. I think in

892
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 3: Trump's case was a similar moment where it hits him

893
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 3: that if God had not intervened, he would be dead,

894
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: and so he actually owed the rest of his life

895
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: to try to implement what God's will was. And I

896
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 3: think that that made him a significantly different, more mature

897
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 3: person from the guy who ran in twenty sixty.

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Speaker 2: You know, your wife was the previously served as the

899
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Speaker 2: ambassador to the Holy See. We have an American pope.

900
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on him and what does that

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00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: mean for our country?

902
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 3: Well, Calicia, who knew Pope Francis pretty well and liked him.

903
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 3: They were actually friends. She went to the funeral. We

904
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: were surprised when the white smoke went up and out

905
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: came an American. I don't think any of us expected that.

906
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Speaker 3: Her line was that he's good for the church and

907
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 3: he's good for America, and I think that's probably right.

908
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a genuine American, but he also served

909
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: in Peru for a very long time, so he has

910
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: a real feel for third world countries and for the

911
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: nature of poverty in these rural communities. And I think

912
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 3: he's going to be a very successful pope at a

913
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 3: sort of stabilizing and growing the church. I think you'll

914
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 3: have a real effect on young people and a real

915
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 3: focus on bringing the new generation into the church, on

916
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 3: values and on attitudes that are very very central to

917
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: being a Catholic and being a Christian. And in that sense,

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Speaker 3: I think he's going to be a very significant force

919
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 3: moving in the right direction. He's very committed to trying

920
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 3: to help mediate things. I think I noticed that he

921
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Speaker 3: was calling Putin, tried to to talk some things, and

922
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 3: he President Trump has already invited him to come to

923
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Speaker 3: the US, and I think that there's a real possibility

924
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 3: that will happen. Apparently JD Vance met with him. Jadevance

925
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 3: was the last major figure to meet with Pope Francis

926
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Speaker 3: before almost literally as soon as he was inaugurated, and

927
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 3: I think they had a sense that this is somebody

928
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: that can really work with and I think that will

929
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Speaker 3: be You know, there are a billions, three hundred many

930
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 3: Catholics around the world, and working together you can accomplish

931
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 3: big things. Cloister had done that with working on everything

932
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 3: from immigrants to humans who had been sold into slavery,

933
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 3: to problems of poverty, and so she had a real

934
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 3: sense of the complexity of the church. And I think

935
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: that the church can be an enormous force for good.

936
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Speaker 3: And I think that this Pope is going to be

937
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Speaker 3: very open to working with the American government.

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Speaker 1: Before we go through what else about Trump's triumph?

939
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Speaker 2: Would you like to convey to the audience that we

940
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Speaker 2: haven't addressed yet well.

941
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Speaker 4: I think two things. One that it is.

942
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 3: Truly a miraculous story of a comeback that probably no

943
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: one else could have pulled off. And the second is

944
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: that you have to think ahead. You have to look

945
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 3: at the future. When he talks about America entering a

946
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: golden age, he means it. And I think with the

947
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 3: two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of our founding next year,

948
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: if we spend half of our time looking back at

949
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 3: how we got here and half of our time looking

950
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Speaker 3: forward to the next two hundred and fifty years, we'll

951
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 3: have some sense of what an extraordinary thing it is

952
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: to be an American and what a remarkable opportunity we

953
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 3: have to create a better future, not just for ourselves,

954
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Speaker 3: but for the whole world.

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Speaker 4: And I think we owe a great deal of that

956
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Speaker 4: to Donald J. Trump.

957
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Speaker 2: Speaker New Gingridge, it's always such an honor to have

958
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: you on the show. You just have such a depth

959
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: of knowledge that no one else has. I could ask

960
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: you a billion questions because I feel like I learned

961
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: so much from you, and it's truly an honor.

962
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Speaker 3: Lisa, Lisa, You're so flattering. I've always glad to come

963
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 3: back in the show because you make me feel.

964
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Speaker 1: Good perfect, then I'll keep having you back.

965
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Speaker 2: But I truly always learn so much from you, so

966
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Speaker 2: it really is an honest sir, And thank you for

967
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: being so being so generous with your time. We really

968
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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Glad to do it though a speaker New Gingrich.

969
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: We appreciate him for taking the time to come on

970
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: the show and being so generous with his time. Appreciate

971
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 2: you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday,

972
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: but of course you can listen throughout the week until

973
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Speaker 2: next time.