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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, Chip, Hi, how are you? I'm good. How

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Speaker 1: are you doing over there?

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm in Los Angeles for a wedding.

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Speaker 1: Oh fancy fancy. We were just discussing some really interesting

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Speaker 1: things this week. If you guys listen to the Wednesday podcast,

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Speaker 1: I had Machiel Michale I can't ever say his name

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Speaker 1: right Clerk on the podcast. He's a psychotherapist and author

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Speaker 1: of the Dream Guidance book. Do you believe that our

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Speaker 1: dreams are talking to us, Chip, or do you think

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Speaker 1: that it's all just kind of a fluke.

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Speaker 2: I think they are. I think we're tapping into sort

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Speaker 2: of our subconscious in some way. I think it's coming

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Speaker 2: from like the deepest, weirdest parts of our brain that

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Speaker 2: we don't access all the time. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it's because we're asleep and we're not stimulated by

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Speaker 2: other things. But I don't know what they really mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, Like I can certainly look things up, and

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Speaker 2: but I think they have to be, like they're coming

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Speaker 2: from us. They have to mean something, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think so too. And that's kind of what we

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Speaker 1: discussed on Wednesday was he has written this book called

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Speaker 1: Dream guidance, like I just said, and it's all about

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Speaker 1: dreams being the most untapped into spiritual resource that we have.

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Speaker 1: Like it's something that we don't have to pay any

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Speaker 1: money for. You don't have to do anything, and you

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Speaker 1: literally sleep every single day, so you have the potential

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Speaker 1: to be tapping into this resource every single night. And

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Speaker 1: most of us, whether we believe it or not, I mean,

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Speaker 1: every human is intuitive to some degree, and then most

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Speaker 1: of us are getting specific signs and messages and things

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Speaker 1: like that through these dreams and then we wake up

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Speaker 1: and we're kind of like, oh, that was weird, and

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Speaker 1: then we move.

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Speaker 2: About our mostly the time. I mean, I hate it

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Speaker 2: because I rarely remember, like even like a fleeting moment,

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Speaker 2: I very rarely remember them. Yeah, so it makes me

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Speaker 2: feel like I'm not dreaming, and I know I am.

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Speaker 2: And interestingly enough, I got a call today from my doctor.

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Speaker 2: I did a sleep study, a home sleep study, and

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Speaker 2: I have sleep apnea, which is probably affecting the fact

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Speaker 2: that I'm not remembering my dreams because I'm having, you know,

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Speaker 2: episodes of apnea throughout the night.

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Speaker 1: So I'm only laughing because of course, you do. I know,

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Speaker 1: we for years have talked about chips snoring and it's

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Speaker 1: like so intense it can keep a whole house up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not surprised at all that you have

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Speaker 1: sleep apnea. Yeah, well, so what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna to wear one of those weird masks?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got to talk to a pulmonologist, I think

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Speaker 2: is the type of the doctor. So my doctor's calling

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Speaker 2: in a referral. And I did two nights and it's

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Speaker 2: just this little thing you wear on your finger that

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Speaker 2: sinks to your phone and it will right record you.

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Speaker 2: I had one hundred and twenty two episodes and two

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Speaker 1: That's when you genuinely stop breathing, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sos that a lot, I think. So, I mean

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Speaker 2: I did it because I've been so tired, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm getting eight hours of sleep, but I

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Speaker 2: don't think I'm getting eight hours of sleep. You just

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Speaker 2: said it, So I will. I will report back once

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Speaker 2: I start getting healthier sleep, if my dreams improve, which

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Speaker 2: I hope is a positive effect of getting better sleep.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting is I always go, well, I didn't dream

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Speaker 1: last night, But I think what I learned from him

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Speaker 1: is that we're always dreaming. It's just sometimes we wake

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Speaker 1: second you wake up, if you dreamed and you remember something,

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Speaker 1: to write it down, even if you think it's the

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Speaker 1: most outlandish, bizarre, crazy thing, to just write it down.

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Speaker 1: And then over time you actually may start to even

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Speaker 1: piece some things together that would make sense, or they

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Speaker 1: may happen in the future, or it'll click for you

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Speaker 1: what your subconscious mind is actually trying to do and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's interesting because you know, we

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Speaker 2: all have different beliefs. Some people say the universe end signs,

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Speaker 2: some people say God Allah whatever. But I wonder if

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Speaker 2: it's just us being all knowing creatures, you know, and

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Speaker 2: so deep into our minds that we're unaware of it,

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Speaker 2: and it comes to us in dreams. And I think,

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Speaker 2: talk about that decipher dreams, and which means that there's

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Speaker 2: probably some really common themes in dreams. Because I had

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Speaker 2: it was I didn't sleep well because it was a

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Speaker 2: stressful dream, and I've been dealing with some like you know,

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Speaker 2: anxious energy, like on some personal stuff in my dating life,

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Speaker 2: and I do think that played into it, and I did.

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Speaker 2: I wrote it. I got up that morning and I journaled,

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Speaker 2: And I looked back at my journal today and it

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Speaker 2: was I was dreaming that my parents owned this like

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Speaker 2: insane property in France, Okay, and I was there and

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Speaker 2: they weren't and they were coming, and I'd had a party,

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Speaker 2: but it was like I wasn't intending to have a party.

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Speaker 2: It was just a bunch of people just kept showing

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Speaker 2: point of like no return, but like and the whole

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Speaker 2: time it was like me trying to get people to leave,

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Speaker 2: I'm never going to get this place back to a

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Speaker 1: And I was having such a weird reaction to this

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Speaker 1: because I'm like, this dream makes so much sense to me, right,

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Speaker 1: do you have an interpretation of what you think the baseline?

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Speaker 2: It was just like it was anxiety, and so I

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Speaker 2: did look it up to see what the interpretation.

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Speaker 1: I say, what my would tell me say first, So

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Speaker 1: as I was listening to you, I mean, obviously I

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Speaker 1: my immediate instinct is to think that this plays into

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Speaker 1: this people pleasing tendency of being, you know, like if

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this before, like I'm not lovable unless

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Speaker 1: I'm like successful in all these ways, or when you

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't be lovabled or that was the big fear

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Speaker 1: if we put our partners in an authority position over us,

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Speaker 1: it's that same energy of like I want to show

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Speaker 2: Right right. I do think that that is the root

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Speaker 2: of it, Okay, But the symbolism that I read is

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Speaker 2: it can be stressful in the moment, but it's sending

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Speaker 1: Good sick Totally. I was gonna say, I don't know

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Speaker 2: Basically, what I read was it signified like a necessity

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Speaker 2: tidying up, And it's exactly what I was working through,

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Speaker 2: Like it was a situation where I felt like I

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Speaker 2: This last week has been such a growth moment for me.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny that this dream is literally the first

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Speaker 2: So my mind's been on like warp speed or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why. That just made me teary, weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like growing up.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't that feeling though, but it was like I do,

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Speaker 1: I do see that as well happening with you, and

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Speaker 1: just described is exactly what we talked about Wednesday of

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Speaker 1: how to work with your dreams. Like, think about what

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Speaker 1: you just said. That is literally like the most psychological

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Speaker 1: processing experience. It's like therapy. You like did therapy with

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Speaker 1: And then you took an action step even because of it.

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Speaker 2: It gave me the courage you know it. It was

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Speaker 1: But it also like introduced you to you in some ways,

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Speaker 2: Our dreams that we think are too big lie exactly.

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Speaker 1: is that's why I got here. It's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what's funny too, is like I'm trying,

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Speaker 2: like journaling's new for me too. I'm trying to create

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Speaker 2: And it was literally like I hadn't journaled since June first,

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Speaker 2: and then I journaled on the twenty first. I dreamt

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Speaker 2: be journaling more like well asouse it's making me dissect

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well and actually just pause and take that moment

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Speaker 1: and tap in. And it's like what he says as

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Speaker 1: well in the book is you did this, like you don't.

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Speaker 1: You didn't realize you even did it. But by writing

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Speaker 1: lot of times we'll get the answer in a dream.

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Speaker 1: And I think you did that by like journaling out

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Speaker 1: then you didn't even realize you were doing it, but

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Speaker 1: you asked your body of the question and then it

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Speaker 1: gave you the solution in your dating. Isn't that crazy? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Wild? It really is wild.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, when I was researching about dreams, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's kind of like a back and forth.

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Speaker 1: Some people think that there's nothing to it. Obviously, Freud

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Speaker 1: way to tap into our subconscious. Web and D had

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Speaker 2: So do you know what a Rube Goldberg machine is?

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Speaker 1: It's just major life changes. So it says losing losing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Do you ever have those dreams where you

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Speaker 1: you got away from them, and then you wake up

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Speaker 1: they're right in your face, or like you are in

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Speaker 1: your dream. You wake up and they're right in your face,

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Speaker 1: I guess, but you can't get away from it. So

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Speaker 1: that means you can represent feelings of being pursued by

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Speaker 1: problems or fears. Okay, uh, flying is a big one apparently,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Can represent feelings of freedom, achievement, or

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Speaker 1: overcoming obstacles. So that's like a positive one if you

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Speaker 1: dream you're flying.

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Speaker 2: So that's what I was doing as a kid.

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Speaker 1: Oh maybe yeah, a little bit. Yeah, taking a test

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Speaker 1: and failing, which I think that's a big one for

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Speaker 1: like younger, like especially if you're starting a new job

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Speaker 1: or anything like that. The pressure, it says it may

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Speaker 1: reflect anxieties about performance or inadequates. Inadequacy, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: It's really crazy to me. I love what Michale says though,

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Speaker 1: because it's like I stutter every time I say his name.

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Speaker 1: I'm so nervous about mispronouncing it. Because I do think

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Speaker 1: it's really an untapped resource, and it's like you don't

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Speaker 1: have to go pay money for it, you can do

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Speaker 1: it yourself. Literally, just do what you did journal before

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Speaker 1: you go to bed, he says, to just like, literally

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Speaker 1: right now, one question and just put it under your

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Speaker 1: pillar and keep it in your journal or whatever, and

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Speaker 1: then when you wake up, see if you got any

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Speaker 1: sort of insight on it. Our bodies are crazy.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be like, body, tell me what that lottery numbers.

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Speaker 1: And then can you text it to me?

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Speaker 2: When I'll share it, We'll share it here. Well.

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Speaker 1: If you guys are having weird dreams, please always email

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Speaker 1: us at the Edge at velvet edge dot com. Keep listening, obviously,

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Speaker 1: if you want the lottery numbers from Chip, you can

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Speaker 1: also stay in touch with this on Instagram. I'm at

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Speaker 1: Velvet Edge Chip.

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Speaker 1: C H it. As you guys go into the weekend

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Speaker 1: and you're living on the edge, I hope you always

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Speaker 1: remember to a casual hi