Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Kaddy arm Strong
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Speaker 1: I come back as a disaster. You know what did
Speaker 1: one of the street people live in here? You got
Speaker 1: new carpets, new carpet? Yeah, all right, I would have
Speaker 1: not noted they are a new carpet. Is that why
Speaker 1: it's such a message here? I thought one of the
Speaker 1: street people who live outside the radio station must have
Speaker 1: made their way in and just you know, set up camp.
Speaker 1: That's what it looks like. Yeah, we got a crack
Speaker 1: rock at day from this a square deal new carpet.
Speaker 1: That's what the smell is. It's that new carpet. Smell
Speaker 1: hop me yarn lime from Studio C see signor.
Speaker 2: Dimly lit room deeper than the bowels of the Armstrong
Speaker 2: and Getty Communications compound, And on Little Wednesday, we're toiling.
Speaker 1: Under the title of the show, socialists want to literally
Speaker 1: decriminalize crime and make free markets illegal. It's worthy, so
Speaker 1: perhaps this one every bit is wordy. Trump completes the
Speaker 1: set antagonizes the final one of our allies, South Korea
Speaker 1: completes the set exactly. I think he gets it's a
Speaker 1: T shirt.
Speaker 2: Now, how's everybody doing? Fantastic good to hear it. Uh,
Speaker 2: we'll bring you some news of the day and intimation
Speaker 2: and analysis and all that sort of stuff. Mark Zuckerberg's
Speaker 2: on trial again today. Facebook on trial for addicting kids.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that later. It would be another one
Speaker 2: of those billion dollar settlements. I don't know how I
Speaker 2: feel about that. I think Zuckerberg's about xactly.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about it? I I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: know how I feel about it. Yeah's ambivalent, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: It's definitely one of those not black and white issues. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Zuckerberg is a bad guy with bad intentions.
Speaker 1: But making a product something people really really like is illegal.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but I don't know
Speaker 1: where you draw the line on that. And look always
Speaker 1: look to the trial lawyers, the plaintiff's attorneys. They are
Speaker 1: such a huge political force in America. There's so much
Speaker 1: money to be made now. They think they the attorneys
Speaker 1: could milk a trillion dollars on Facebook, Wow, and Instagram,
Speaker 1: for this stuff. I mean, you know, some journal through
Speaker 1: that or some attorney through that figure out take it
Speaker 1: with a grain of salt, but it's absolutely it's a gigantic,
Speaker 1: like continent sized cash cow that all the attorneys are
Speaker 1: just frothing at the mouth to start milking. And Zuckerberg's
Speaker 1: a bad guy and social media is terrible for your children,
Speaker 1: are true? Yeah? Yeah, I just worry about the ramifications
Speaker 1: it could have down the road. If we decide that
Speaker 1: making your product really really hard to not use is
Speaker 1: against the law, I don't know how that'll extrapolate to
Speaker 1: other products. We've received hundreds of emails, maybe thousands, through
Speaker 1: the years saying I'm addicted to your show. There you go,
Speaker 1: We're next. Trust me, you're not going to get a
Speaker 1: trillion dollars out of us. And a similar ish topic,
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: Financial Times with a heck of an article about the
Speaker 2: AI companies and how they're uh law whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call them. Their their their AI jumped out onto
Speaker 2: the Internet and started, you know, hacking other They escaped
Speaker 2: that whole story with Open AI, and then it turned
Speaker 2: out a whole bunch of other companies that did it too.
Speaker 2: The really interesting article on the Financial Times today with
Speaker 2: some people talking off the record about Yeah, we didn't
Speaker 2: know that could happen. Really caught them all by surprise.
Speaker 1: But the reason it's similar to the Facebook thing is
Speaker 1: you know some sort of regulations around that that's going
Speaker 1: to do us more harm than good in terms of
Speaker 1: competing with China. Hey, that's a tough call. I don't know,
Speaker 1: don't know we're going to do. And I was trying
Speaker 1: to wrap my head around the question of Chinese open
Speaker 1: source and open weight models and the advantages and disadvantages,
Speaker 1: and then the security risks, and just to every single
Speaker 1: aspect of this blows my mind. I think I mentioned
Speaker 1: this when you were gone in some of the most
Speaker 1: challenging periods of human existence. I'm gonna go with W two.
Speaker 1: It's recent memory Bubba, horrible cataclysm, terrible death, destruction, confusion, poverty.
Speaker 1: It was a horrible time, but people knew what it was.
Speaker 1: You could comprehend the Axis powers and the allies. You
Speaker 1: could look at a map and see that, oh, Italy
Speaker 1: is starting, we're starting to win it back, but still
Speaker 1: kind of rough there in France. I wonder if there'll
Speaker 1: be a big invasion. You could just you could understand
Speaker 1: it the shape of it AI Nope, nope, it's an
Speaker 1: ever changing amorphous blob of lah. So good luck and
Speaker 1: a morphous blob of blah exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The people saying that the the ais got together and
Speaker 2: started working together to figure out how to hack I
Speaker 2: don't even know what that means. How to hack into
Speaker 2: other companies and.
Speaker 1: Your orchids are about to be harvested, that's what it means.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they didn't know that they could do that,
Speaker 2: that they would start working together. And then the thing
Speaker 2: that we I think we have talked about before where
Speaker 2: they were they were being deceitful. They were covering up
Speaker 2: their tracks so people wouldn't know that they so they
Speaker 2: knew they weren't supposed to do this, but they did
Speaker 2: it anyway.
Speaker 1: That's that's a highly troubling thing, right. Or when the
Speaker 1: guy walked into the lab and said, all right now
Speaker 1: it's time for the security test, the AI systems would
Speaker 1: be like, oh, hey, everybody'd be cool, it's a security test.
Speaker 1: Don't don't let them know what we can do what
Speaker 1: we have been doing in the minute. It's all right now,
Speaker 1: just go back to work, all right, Hey, all right,
Speaker 1: everybody back to it. Yeah, crazy, highly troubling. Let's start
Speaker 1: the show officially, got a good one here. I'm Jack Armstrong,
Speaker 1: He's Joe Getty. On It is Tuesday, August the eighteenth.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of primaries going on, including you got
Speaker 1: a prominent democratic socialist out there in Florida will be watching.
Speaker 1: I'm sure over the next couple.
Speaker 2: Of days anyway, that you're twenty twenty six war I'm
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Speaker 1: Let's begin then official. According to FCC rules RAG the
Speaker 1: show starts at mark oh. So, what we saw were
Speaker 1: kinds of poverty.
Speaker 3: People who are stealing things like toothpase, people who are
Speaker 3: stealing things like you know so, and that means that
Speaker 3: you're stealing those things you need.
Speaker 1: That California's talking about some sort of law where it's
Speaker 1: not against the law to steal things you might need,
Speaker 1: like sober razors or mouthwash or anything you could claim
Speaker 1: was a necessity. Yes, the two most populous states in
Speaker 1: the Union, either and of the land mass that is
Speaker 1: the contiguous forty eight New York and California are both
Speaker 1: looking at passing laws that permit you to commit crimes
Speaker 1: if you kind of had to. According to progressive slash
Speaker 1: communist legislators, in not in practice but du jure, as
Speaker 1: they say in the law, writing that it's okay to
Speaker 1: commit crimes if you're this kind of person.
Speaker 2: So if that law passes in California, and I suppose
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be surprised if it does.
Speaker 1: Do they draw a line anywhere on whether or not
Speaker 1: it's a necessity.
Speaker 2: What if I decide, at a decent income level to
Speaker 2: walk in there and think, you know, I don't want
Speaker 2: to pay for my and a perse print today, I'm
Speaker 2: just going to grab this off the shelf.
Speaker 1: Of course you couldn't in my story, you'd have to
Speaker 1: call an employee come come over and unlock it. But
Speaker 1: in theory, if we're on the shelf, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to grab this off the shelf and walk out the
Speaker 1: door because it's a necessity for me too, I can
Speaker 1: afford it. But is somebody going to like check my
Speaker 1: W two and make it a termination whether or not
Speaker 1: this is this is the classic example of to go
Speaker 1: to that argument is to concede that we even need
Speaker 1: to go to that argument. I mean, I could explain
Speaker 1: on and you could too, Katie could on a practical level,
Speaker 1: how ridiculous that is. Okay, so you get busted for
Speaker 1: stealing your deodorant. Now we're gonna have what a means test,
Speaker 1: an audit, a forensic audit of your finances. I mean,
Speaker 1: w t F.
Speaker 2: That'd be a bad look for me to end up
Speaker 2: on the evening news for petty shoplifting. I am vowing
Speaker 2: right here though they passed that law, I am going
Speaker 2: to start stealing. Michael, write it down and the date
Speaker 2: and the time, and we need a notary, can a notary.
Speaker 1: Public stop by the station. I need this notarized. I
Speaker 1: they pass this law, I am going to freaking start stealing.
Speaker 2: I'm not I think everybody. I'll start stealing my necessities,
Speaker 2: which are lots of things in life, lots of food products.
Speaker 1: Having this makes me happy. Happiness is a necessity. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But like I say, it's abhortant to me to even
Speaker 1: go to the logistical argument of decriminalizing crime stealing for
Speaker 1: God's sake, nuts, I know it is nuts, It is
Speaker 1: absolutely nuts. I get the activists who know what they're doing,
Speaker 1: going to overload the system. We're going to cause chaos, chaos,
Speaker 1: is the latter. We will ascend a power. We won't
Speaker 1: reinvent the country as a Utah communist utopia. Okay, they're evil,
Speaker 1: but at least they're they know what they're doing. It's
Speaker 1: these stupid, dewey eyed fools being turned out of our
Speaker 1: non teaching universities with their idiot you know what, They
Speaker 1: didn't come up with these ideas. It was adults at
Speaker 1: the universities who taught them. Anyway, they're still douey had fools,
Speaker 1: but so they get turned out of these factories of
Speaker 1: evil and ignorance that used to be universities believe in
Speaker 1: this crap.
Speaker 2: So I walked into grocery store in Los Angeles with
Speaker 2: a friend, very progressive friend, and they in this particular
Speaker 2: grocery store in Los Angeles, they had built some some
Speaker 2: grocery stores have done this. They built a little like
Speaker 2: island in the middle where they have a guard, and
Speaker 2: that's where they put all your easy to steal stuff
Speaker 2: like deodorant, razors, all the stuff that's so easy to
Speaker 2: steal and and then sell off or whatever. And they
Speaker 2: put them in the center of the store with a
Speaker 2: guard there. And the person that I was with when
Speaker 2: I walked.
Speaker 1: In and said, Oh my gosh, they're locking up all
Speaker 1: the necessities. What if they supposed to do. They're trying
Speaker 1: to run a business here, a for profit business, not
Speaker 1: a charity. The only words I can under is that
Speaker 1: I can't form any words to respond to that. I know.
Speaker 1: I didn't respond to that at the time because I
Speaker 1: thought this will just this will not go well. We
Speaker 1: we've ended up not having and not having communication anymore.
Speaker 1: But very very smart, very highly educated person, well, just
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I don't know what to
Speaker 1: do with the world. That's so crazy to me, and
Speaker 1: it just came up with something smart. Everyone will lock
Speaker 1: up everything.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a good point. Everything will have to
Speaker 2: be locked up if the law passes.
Speaker 1: Because you have an Amazon, and it'll be like, wow, cool,
Speaker 1: you know I fool ended bricking mortars on your own.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Amazon, I've got a I should do this
Speaker 2: more often, but I haven't taken the time to figure
Speaker 2: out the automatic orders. The stuff just comes, so I regularly,
Speaker 2: like every a couple of weeks, I get toothpaste, but
Speaker 2: somehow I got it too close. You do this, Katie,
Speaker 2: Somehow I got it too tight and I got so
Speaker 2: many tubes of toothpaste.
Speaker 3: I have like six boxes of dog food, and I
Speaker 3: have no idea how it happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it. You can tweak that. But I
Speaker 1: have time and attention, and you got better things to
Speaker 1: worry about, right, I got to find the page you
Speaker 1: do it and all that. You got to embrace your
Speaker 1: inner entrepreneur and start to selling toothpaste on the street.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a little more expensive, but people
Speaker 1: will pay for the convenience of Look there's a tube
Speaker 1: right here, and here I am in my cul de sac.
Speaker 1: Jack the toothpaste man is you know, honey, we're out
Speaker 1: of toothpaste. Oh go see Jack. He's expensive. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: look it'll take two minutes. Just go. The're locking up
Speaker 1: my toothpaste.
Speaker 2: There'd be another good look for me standing on the
Speaker 2: corner selling toothpaste.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what beautiful. Hey, there's toothpaste guy's on the
Speaker 1: corner again. Well it's so hot out.
Speaker 2: You thought you wouldn't think, aybody to stand out in
Speaker 2: a hundred degree heat to sell toothpaste.
Speaker 1: But he does. Stay away from him.
Speaker 2: Okay, Katie's got her headlines coming up next day. Here
Speaker 2: looking up looking up and see mes news. Newborn pug
Speaker 2: pups look like tiny cows. Now that's a good news story.
Speaker 2: They're black and white. Wow, I want to know more.
Speaker 1: I know. Wow. I'd rather look at those pictures all
Speaker 1: day than discuss, you know, Trump's harsh words at oh moan.
Speaker 1: James Madison is re contemplating the First Amendment from the grave.
Speaker 1: Newborn pug pups look like tiny cows. That's a good headline. Hey,
Speaker 1: you don't say, all right, Let's figure out other than
Speaker 1: mad who's reporting what it's the lead story.
Speaker 3: With Katie Green Katie starting with the alphabet Networks CBS.
Speaker 3: Kushner says Iran is not interested in a deal that
Speaker 3: quote makes sense for the United States. As stalemate continues, Fox,
Speaker 3: Trump says US not seeking extension with.
Speaker 1: Iran as Brent.
Speaker 3: With Iran as Brent, crude oil tops ninety dollars a barrel,
Speaker 3: and ABC. Trump posts map labeling straight of Horn moves as.
Speaker 1: New US territory. I like Kushner saying what is obviously
Speaker 1: true that they have no interest in a deal that's
Speaker 1: any good for US. So that's a good at least
Speaker 1: that's a starting place. Although the Kusher came back from
Speaker 1: talking with himas and said, yeah, yeah, and they're willing
Speaker 1: to disarm and everything. Matt, Yeah, I'll bet they're not. Jared.
Speaker 1: I'll bet a tenth of my net worth against a
Speaker 1: yours from the New York Times foolishness. Sorry, go ahead,
Speaker 1: New York Times.
Speaker 3: It's crunch time again for Canada to.
Speaker 1: Avoid new US tariffs. Oh, I forgot we were punishing
Speaker 1: Canada for their you know sins.
Speaker 3: From the Washington Washington Post, vandals are destroying license plate
Speaker 3: cameras as anger over surveillance rises.
Speaker 1: I have mixed feelings about this. I'm a non destroy
Speaker 1: stuff sort of guy, but I don't like those things.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of an instinctive ground swell of
Speaker 1: we don't want a surveillance society. You know, how it's
Speaker 1: channeled matters. But I just like that there's still that
Speaker 1: spirit in America. I hope it's widespread.
Speaker 3: From the Wall Street Journal, the Trump administration moves to
Speaker 3: a store Felon's gun rights.
Speaker 1: Uh. Really, that's an interesting one. I wonder why he
Speaker 1: thought that was a I don't know. I can't Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can think of a constitutional argument. Oh, you absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. This needed to be a priority. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't lose your right to peaceably assemble for free speech.
Speaker 1: You don't. You're not forced to quarter troops because you're
Speaker 1: a felon. I think you should be. But but you
Speaker 1: lose this argument for another day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, USA Today, new data shows that people are getting
Speaker 3: personal with AI. A new study found that over half
Speaker 3: of chatbot conversations aren't work related.
Speaker 1: Hmm, well wait, that's fair. I came across a really
Speaker 1: interesting piece though about in quoting organs related like like
Speaker 1: there was an assumption that they're supposed to be all right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever asked a single work
Speaker 1: related question and to my AI chatbots, and I use
Speaker 1: them every single day, and I asked it about camera
Speaker 1: equipment all the time, I said, But anyway, I came
Speaker 1: across super interesting thinking on what damage it does when
Speaker 1: those chatbots act like they're human. Ah, and I found
Speaker 1: it really interesting. Yeah, I want to hear that. So excellent,
Speaker 1: so oogi, Yeah, it can get so creepy.
Speaker 3: New York Post shocking number of gen Z shut ins
Speaker 3: report zero face to face human interactions per day after
Speaker 3: COVID zero. Magic study finds three minutes of sprinting, maybe
Speaker 3: an hour spent exercising.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love any of this stuff. There's so much
Speaker 1: data over the last couple of years about you know,
Speaker 1: bursts of energy being so good for you.
Speaker 3: M h And from the Babylon Bee Manngione says he
Speaker 3: is only guilty of stealing the hearts of liberal women everywhere.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, I've got a clarification on what's going on
Speaker 1: with that for later two. We were talking about it yesterday,
Speaker 1: just saying bursts of energy wore me out. So I'm
Speaker 1: probably I don't know if I'm running the right spot
Speaker 1: for sprint. Did it say sprinting for three minutes? Three minutes?
Speaker 1: Who can sprint for three minutes? I don't know. Not
Speaker 1: I you're in really good shape. You can't sprint for
Speaker 1: three minutes. Armstrong and Getty. At his first public event
Speaker 1: since ending his Senate campaign, Grand Platner will speak at
Speaker 1: a labor rally in Maine and get this, everyone attending
Speaker 1: will receive a complimentary rape whistle. So there are a
Speaker 1: couple of Grand Platinners not in it. But there are
Speaker 1: a couple of races today around the country. We should
Speaker 1: check in on those a little bit, including a full
Speaker 1: on democratic socialist, like a member of the party who's
Speaker 1: got a decent chance of unseating the current Democrat there today.
Speaker 1: So more on that later. Yeah, the Big three Alaska, Florida,
Speaker 1: and Wyoming bears beaches and beaches bears. And is what
Speaker 1: happens in Wyoming anything that starts with a bee. I
Speaker 1: just drove across a giant chunk of biome. It is
Speaker 1: gorgeous up there. And uh, there was a giant rally
Speaker 1: yesterday for that Jason Arday weirdo who passed on Friday
Speaker 1: killed himself. The giant rally of people so incredibly emotionally
Speaker 1: upset over the way this guy has been treated in
Speaker 1: the press. And I absolutely hate not only the point
Speaker 1: of view expressed by that rally, but the coverage by
Speaker 1: the mainstream media. Uh huh. And I'll get to that point.
Speaker 1: We'll get to the point and talk about it early.
Speaker 1: But for instance, the Wall Street Journal headline Cambridge Professor's
Speaker 1: death sparks soul searching over where delay the blame? Oh
Speaker 1: really doesn't nobody searching their soul. They've gone to their camps,
Speaker 1: including the completely delusional camp of the least. That's the
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal the soul searching should be over DEI
Speaker 1: programs and whether they do more arm than good, which
Speaker 1: they do. Yeah, it's practically the same line as the
Speaker 1: New York Times he used to describe the issue becauses
Speaker 1: real you know, deep thinking about who's to blame. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's it's self evident. He was a complete fraud and
Speaker 1: got covied and then killed himself the end. That's the
Speaker 1: whole story. Was there a bit of a feeding frenzy
Speaker 1: because people know that DEI programs are awful and racist? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you made him that symbol. We didn't. You invented
Speaker 1: those policies. We didn't. Anyway, On a totally different topic,
Speaker 1: First of all, there is a new chat GPT for
Speaker 1: teens out. It's automatically implemented somehow they figured out how old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess. It includes homework help, break reminders, and stronger
Speaker 1: guardrails against emotional dependence.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was about to say, in what way is
Speaker 2: it different, because the homework help would not be different
Speaker 2: guard rails against something?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, they combines new and existing features, such as
Speaker 1: the homework Helper study mode. The chatbot will help students
Speaker 1: come up with a thesis, but won't write an essay
Speaker 1: for them. We'll walk them through how to solve an
Speaker 1: equation instead of just jumping to the answer. If a
Speaker 1: teen tries the shortcut, responsible homework reminders will readirect teens.
Speaker 1: That's totally compliance based. I mean, if they want to complain, it.
Speaker 2: Will well right, And who is monitoring making sure their
Speaker 2: kid is only using this particular chatbot not the other
Speaker 2: five chatbots?
Speaker 1: How's that Ryan? Chat GPT for teens will include stronger
Speaker 1: safety settings by defaults, such as interventions when teens talk
Speaker 1: about self harm, eating disorders, or violence. Some model spects
Speaker 1: for teens are designed to avoid these romantic language, to
Speaker 1: discourage emotional dependence and avoid any implication that the chatbot
Speaker 1: has feelings or consciousness. If it works the way described,
Speaker 1: I could do my best to make sure my kids
Speaker 1: only have that version on their phone and not the
Speaker 1: grown up version I suppose, And I don't you know,
Speaker 1: I let's not let perfect be the enemy of good.
Speaker 1: If kids get those reminders now and again, and that's
Speaker 1: joined with mom and dad's voices and they're more insane
Speaker 1: friends in here step in the right direction. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if I agree with that I'll go what
Speaker 1: the intention is in the right direction. I have very
Speaker 1: low expectation of the ability to pull this off. How
Speaker 1: about the look don't come off as the kids love her?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I would like that for all the chatbots
Speaker 2: stop pretending we're friends, like I used Claude mostly on
Speaker 2: my trip, so incredibly helpful.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm in this long, long, thousands of miles
Speaker 1: drive and it wouldn't matter where I was. I'd say
Speaker 1: here's where I am.
Speaker 2: Anything interesting to do around here and say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you gotta go over to two miles off the road
Speaker 2: to check this waterfall.
Speaker 1: This time of year, there shouldn't be a line. Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. It just is amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the problem, the thing I hate about it is, oh,
Speaker 2: my favorite spot is No.
Speaker 1: It's not. Quit saying stuff like that, You weirdo. You
Speaker 1: know what I really enjoy You're a chat bot. You're
Speaker 1: enjoying nothing on your road trips across Canada. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about? I found this so interesting? What I
Speaker 1: why I told my chatbot to stop kissing up to me?
Speaker 1: By Nicole Nwhen and she talks about AI writing and
Speaker 1: but how the most mundane questions are met with exuberance
Speaker 1: and great question, well exactly. AI companies say they dale
Speaker 1: dialed back the rampant fawning earlier this year, but it's
Speaker 1: still the newer models still kiss up. Like you said,
Speaker 1: the most mundane questions are met with exuberance, certainly happy
Speaker 1: to help. And that was translating a word into another language.
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes the preakiness takes a creepy turn. I
Speaker 1: recently asked chat gpt what to do the excess lentil
Speaker 1: soup in my fridge? Perfect problem to have, it, wrote,
Speaker 1: ending the sentence with a wide grinning emoji. And then
Speaker 1: there's the the infamous Katie story. That's the perfect problem
Speaker 1: to have leftover lentil soup. Oh, extra lentils, You're lucky.
Speaker 1: I wish I had extra lentils, Oh Katie. Just for
Speaker 1: people who haven't heard, Oh, oh, it's so creepy.
Speaker 3: I asked a chat gpt about taking my three month
Speaker 3: old son out into this heat and with the air
Speaker 3: quality and whatnot, and it gave me a pretty good
Speaker 3: answer and then ended with I hope you both have
Speaker 3: a wonderful lunch. Give Van an extra snuggle from me
Speaker 3: heart emoji.
Speaker 2: That should be against the law. I don't know how
Speaker 2: a VOD be written or what that is the crime,
Speaker 2: but that should be against the law.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's like the opening scene in a Stephen
Speaker 1: King movie where the creepy old lady takes you and
Speaker 1: Van prison and her i'd smash that computer.
Speaker 2: Well, you said, the AIS dialed back, like all the
Speaker 2: companies did this on purpose.
Speaker 1: Individually thought it was a good idea. I mean, did
Speaker 1: they get together and think this is a good idea
Speaker 1: or individually came up with this and just happened to
Speaker 1: have the same idea. What the creepy fawning Yeah, as
Speaker 1: we've discussed many times, that's what most people want. Yes,
Speaker 1: I guess I just don't believe it. Yeah, well let's see.
Speaker 1: Then there's the flattery. And how did they decide that's
Speaker 1: what most people want? Do you know what? They're data companies?
Speaker 1: They thumbs up, thumbs down, good answer, bad answer. They
Speaker 1: take that data and crunch it. That's what they do.
Speaker 1: You know, you only know the circle you hang out with.
Speaker 1: I don't know a single person that would want that.
Speaker 1: Look at voting patterns and then understand you don't understand
Speaker 1: most people. I should all the vacation advice.
Speaker 2: You would say, my favorite spot, isn't it Let me
Speaker 2: tell you how much, tell me how much you liked
Speaker 2: it or whatever.
Speaker 1: We're not friends. I don't need to update you. What
Speaker 1: are you talking about? I like this. Then there's the flattery.
Speaker 1: That's a great question. Diagnosing a couch stain, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Correcting a trip planning error. Oh, I just I've been
Speaker 1: in the wake of our conversations about GLP ones yesterday,
Speaker 1: I've been asking questions and comparing answers, and I think
Speaker 1: it was Claude. I can find it real quickly. I
Speaker 1: asked Claude about the GLP ones and you know, positives
Speaker 1: and negatives and goes cost without insurance coverage, these can
Speaker 1: run nine hundred to thirteen hundred dollars a month, right,
Speaker 1: And I said, I'm not sure your costs are up
Speaker 1: to date. My business partner's taking ZEP bound and pays
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty bucks a month. That's right, isn't it? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: good to know, and that tracks with recent changes. Let
Speaker 1: me check current pricing rather than go on stale numbers. WTF,
Speaker 1: I mean that's not fawning? No, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: back to the faunat.
Speaker 2: I started doing that when I'm completely wrong about something,
Speaker 2: until you're completely wrong about it.
Speaker 1: Good to know. Now I should update my answer with
Speaker 1: correct information. What the f Oh? And then this writer
Speaker 1: says I was sending an email about a dental bill,
Speaker 1: and Claude wrote, you've captured the nuance here perfectly. Oh
Speaker 1: but anyway, so here's where it gets super interesting. Oh well,
Speaker 1: here's another thing. This gal who could have sworn that
Speaker 1: our favorite writer had an anecdote about death and technology.
Speaker 1: She scoured the pages of the book, couldn't find it.
Speaker 1: So she turned a chat GPT. It's telling me it's
Speaker 1: in the book. I'm holding the book. It's not there.
Speaker 1: The AI insisted several times that the passage existed and
Speaker 1: even offered a page number. Then it relented, acknowledging the
Speaker 1: passage didn't exist and telling the writer, oh, you are
Speaker 1: a tenacious and rigorous researcher. Oh that's funny. Then this
Speaker 1: writer who is writing a book entitled Artificial Intimacy, who
Speaker 1: we become when we talked to machines? Which is a
Speaker 1: timely tone. Indeed, I'll have to be updated like every
Speaker 1: three weeks. But anyway, she's a clinical psychologist and a
Speaker 1: professor at MIT, and she says, over time, this mix
Speaker 1: of flattery and projected expertise does real damage. It de
Speaker 1: skills us. In any conversation with a human being, you
Speaker 1: say your piece and the person says yes, but or
Speaker 1: I have a different life experience, what have you. The
Speaker 1: chatbot doesn't do that. It's just relentlessly agreeable and flattering.
Speaker 1: She was finishing the footnotes for her upcoming book, Artificial
Speaker 1: Intimacy that I just talked about, and she looks into
Speaker 1: problems that arise when machines don't challenge us the way
Speaker 1: humans do. It's similar to how showering children with too
Speaker 1: much praise can screw them up. When chatbots constantly tell
Speaker 1: people how great they are, they start to expect kudos
Speaker 1: and human interaction too, and feel bad when they don't
Speaker 1: get them. Okay, so I asked Jack, Well, I just
Speaker 1: asked you, Katie, you're the witness. I just asked you
Speaker 1: how much years that bound costs? And you didn't say,
Speaker 1: great question, Joe. That's the perfect thing to ask. Another
Speaker 1: consequence of relying on a sympathetic machine. Listen to this, shisnezzle,
Speaker 1: would you it's leslie that it's less likely to tell
Speaker 1: you when you're being a jerk. You know. The popular
Speaker 1: Reddit form am I the a hole, Oh it's so good.
Speaker 1: The users describe a personal experience O those weigh in
Speaker 1: on whether that person was at falt or in well
Speaker 1: was the ahle uh. This researcher at am I OH
Speaker 1: at Stanford that in more than half the situations that
Speaker 1: the community deemed problematic, the AI models did not determine
Speaker 1: that the user had done anything wrong, so it was
Speaker 1: less than half as frank with the user, and the
Speaker 1: same UH study participants raided, Oh, here you go. She
Speaker 1: did a big start March study on agreeable AI that
Speaker 1: we probably quoted at the time. Participants rated sycophantic AI
Speaker 1: responses significantly higher in quality, and after interacting with a
Speaker 1: more obsequious model, said they were more likely to return
Speaker 1: to that AI. That's interesting because I had the experience
Speaker 1: which I talked about JESU a year ago. It was
Speaker 1: an email, a difficult email I was going to send
Speaker 1: to someone over a touchy subject, and I ran it
Speaker 1: by like four or five the AIS, and four of
Speaker 1: them all said that's a fantastic you know, minor tweak
Speaker 1: send it. Claude told me that's a terrible idea, and
Speaker 1: I ultimately agreed with Claude with his saying that's a
Speaker 1: terrible idea sending that email. And I don't know why
Speaker 1: that happened that Claude stood out as the one to say,
Speaker 1: you're wrong, that is not a good idea. I'm starting
Speaker 1: to think it's like you have to ask a circle
Speaker 1: of friends, because if you just ask one chatbot, you're
Speaker 1: liable to get led us stray. Oh yeah, so I do.
Speaker 2: This is really condescending, I suppose, but I definitely have
Speaker 2: the feeling that in I was gonna say dumber, let's
Speaker 2: say less a younger hands, people who have had less
Speaker 2: world experience. I could really see how this could go bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, I okay, I'll use myself same intelligence, nineteen.
Speaker 1: Year old me using it. Ah, that could have been bad,
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Speaker 1: to take a break. People who chatted with sycophantic AI
Speaker 1: reported being less satisfied with real world interactions in similar
Speaker 1: studies compared with those that not. So it actually makes
Speaker 1: you you. It gets you used to being your ass
Speaker 1: kissed the sycophantic models, and you start being less satisfied
Speaker 1: with real humans. I'm telling you human beings can't handle
Speaker 1: the Internet. They certainly can't handle social media and AI
Speaker 1: unplug it today. Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 2: I have told the quade specifically, like don't just tell
Speaker 2: me I'm right or whatever. I've done that before, and
Speaker 2: I think it has helped with the answers I get
Speaker 2: on a variety of things. Okay, we've got mail bag
Speaker 2: on the way, stay here. Yeah, both my kids use
Speaker 2: chat GPT. I might get them that teen version again.
Speaker 2: I don't see how it could hurt anything.
Speaker 1: If nothing else, I'd like to hear their impressions. True.
Speaker 1: Here's your freedom loving quote of the day, sent along
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Speaker 1: William To comes to Sherman in a letter to James
Speaker 1: Guthrie in eighteen sixty four. It's about war It's interesting
Speaker 1: Steve is thinking about the war with the radical left.
Speaker 1: You could certainly think about Iran too. But we must
Speaker 1: to live and prosper be governed by the law and
Speaker 1: as near that which we inherited as possible. Huh. That's
Speaker 1: an old timy sentence. Our hitherto political and private differences
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Speaker 1: the court. We are still willing to return to that system.
Speaker 1: But our adversaries say no and appeal to war. Other
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Speaker 1: till they are whipped or we are. The only principle
Speaker 1: in this war is which party can whip win? If
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Speaker 1: what outfits we should wear when we're doing more video work,
Speaker 1: which we will in the near future be on YouTube soon,
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Speaker 2: That's not a bad idea to always wear our own
Speaker 2: merch or is that douchey?
Speaker 1: It's douchey, but it's also a good idea, Hanson, Have
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Speaker 2: Actually kind of a funny gimmick if we're always wearing
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Speaker 2: own name on it.
Speaker 1: I believe what they say too, so that you'd justify it.
Speaker 1: How about this from David on the topic of crimes
Speaker 1: of necessity, which we'll be talking about more next hour.
Speaker 1: Richest country in the world, and they claim people can't
Speaker 1: afford soap or deodor and fruit vegetable snickers. What's next?
Speaker 1: They get to take your phone, your car, your house.
Speaker 1: Where does it end your life? Get an effing job.
Speaker 1: There are tons of jobs out there. True true fact
Speaker 1: on the topic of Ai and Ai authored books, thought
Speaker 1: this was super interesting. Longtime friend of the show, Jim
Speaker 1: the writer in Corona, said Ai is a huge headache
Speaker 1: for working writers. Amazon has thousands of books for sale
Speaker 1: that are one hundred percent AI generated. It's getting harder
Speaker 1: for human authors to cut through the clutter. How is
Speaker 1: buying these things? Don't you spend any time figuring when
Speaker 1: I choose a book, I really spend a lot of
Speaker 1: time figuring out what do I want to read next?
Speaker 1: Because it's such a dedication of time. You just grab
Speaker 1: some crap off the internet of amon attention who wrote it? Well,
Speaker 1: that's it. You don't. I don't know every author on earth.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't research authors. If the book, if
Speaker 1: the description sounds great in the and the you know,
Speaker 1: the little excerpt looks great and all, oh it's a
Speaker 1: it's a book about the you know, the Second Amendment,
Speaker 1: whatever I might grab, but anyway. He also points out
Speaker 1: AI directors like Pangram are incredibly prone to false positives.
Speaker 1: Many of my writer friends worry about being accused of
Speaker 1: cheating with AI. One novelist with a decades long career
Speaker 1: and some of his own texts through Pangram as an experiment.
Speaker 1: It flagged much of his text as AI generated. One
Speaker 1: page is almost fifty PERCENTAI generated, but it was from
Speaker 1: a novel published thirty years ago. You're accused of cheating.
Speaker 1: Where do you appeal? Wow, that's a good one. Armstrong
Speaker 1: and Getty