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Speaker 3: My guest Tonight is a historian, philosopher, and best selling
Speaker 3: author of Sapiens. His latest children's book is called Unstoppable
Speaker 3: Us Volume two, Why the World Is Unfair? Please welcome.
Speaker 3: You've out Noah Harari, all right, you are, Thanks for
Speaker 3: joining me. I've been, you know, watching your stuff for
Speaker 3: the last like over ten years, just before I came
Speaker 3: to America. Love it. You kind of specialize in dealing
Speaker 3: with the history of humanity and the rise and falls
Speaker 3: of civilization. What made you think that was an appropriate topic
Speaker 3: for children? This is some very heavy stuff, man.
Speaker 4: Yes, but you know you need to understand history to
Speaker 4: know even the most basic things about yourself. Like when
Speaker 4: I was a kid, I was I often woke up
Speaker 4: in the middle of the night afraid that the monster
Speaker 4: under the bed, which happens to a lot of children. Yes,
Speaker 4: and you call your mom, But you also want to
Speaker 4: know why is it happening?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: And history actually holds the answer.
Speaker 3: What is the answer?
Speaker 4: Because this is really a memory from hundreds of thousands
Speaker 4: of years ago when humans lived in the savannah, and
Speaker 4: they're actually monsters, cheetahs, lions that came to eat kids
Speaker 4: in the moment.
Speaker 3: So is that something you want kids to know? Yes,
Speaker 3: that these monsters were once real and they killed kids
Speaker 3: in their sleeve.
Speaker 4: It's important to know that because you then understand your
Speaker 4: own emotions and feelings better. You know, you understand that
Speaker 4: I'm not crazy to be afraid of these things. Or
Speaker 4: for instance, you know, lots of kids, like adults, they
Speaker 4: wonder why do I like to eat so much stuff
Speaker 4: that isn't good for me? It's something wrong with my body?
Speaker 4: And again history holds the answer what is Because all
Speaker 4: those hundred thousands of years ago, it actually made sense.
Speaker 4: If you walk along the savannah and you find something sweet,
Speaker 4: like sweet fruits, it makes sense to each as much
Speaker 4: of it as quickly as possible, because if you eat
Speaker 4: just one or two fruits and go away, by the
Speaker 4: time you come back, the baboons ate everything. So it
Speaker 4: makes sense under those conditions. Now today it doesn't make
Speaker 4: sense when you open the refrigerator and find a chocolate
Speaker 4: cake to all of it, but your body doesn't know.
Speaker 4: Your body basically follows the program of evolution from all
Speaker 4: those years ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's programmed. So if you can't do it, there,
Speaker 3: stop it and you.
Speaker 1: Can stop it.
Speaker 4: But understanding yourself better is an important step.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, having greater control of your life. Those are
Speaker 3: good examples. But I'm gonna call your book here. Yes, please,
Speaker 3: let's get to the chapter in the children's book called
Speaker 3: Diarrhea Days where I quote someone who got diarrhea couldn't
Speaker 3: keep down any food or water, and sometimes they died
Speaker 3: from it. Is this something you really want kids to know?
Speaker 4: Yes, because you know it actually explains where most of
Speaker 4: the epidemics and infectious diseases came from. Hunter gatherers suffered
Speaker 4: from no epidemics. They lived in very small bands. If
Speaker 4: somebody had diarrhea, then immediately all the band moved to
Speaker 4: another place, and in any case only like a few
Speaker 4: people could get it. Okay, but once, once people switched
Speaker 4: to agriculture and we had the big agricultural revolution, then
Speaker 4: you have thousands of people stuck permanently in the town.
Speaker 3: The first humans air low berries and share their pants
Speaker 3: and move on. And yes, how do you tell that
Speaker 3: to kids? Though? Like, what's your approach to telling you know?
Speaker 3: How do you even everything? Just told me? As an adult,
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by or when you tell a kid are
Speaker 3: they you know, they're like, okay, give me more berries,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like, how do they you know,
Speaker 3: how do they absorb the lesson you're trying to tell them?
Speaker 4: I hope that it's written in such a way that
Speaker 4: even somebody who is eight or nine is fully capable
Speaker 4: of understanding it. It's actually more difficult to write for
Speaker 4: kids than for adults, I agree, because with adults, if
Speaker 4: you don't know something, you just use these complicated words
Speaker 4: and long sentences, and they think they don't understand you
Speaker 4: because they don't understand. With kids, you have to speak
Speaker 4: very simply.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like sometimes we died from diarrhea.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, So this is what I think. This is what
Speaker 3: I think. I think you wrote. You've written Sapiens before,
Speaker 3: which is a great book for adults, and I think
Speaker 3: that there's too many dumb people who couldn't understand what
Speaker 3: you're saying. So you wrote this not for kids. You
Speaker 3: wrote this for dumb adults. That's really what this is.
Speaker 3: This is a book. You took it that you put
Speaker 3: some pictures in it as an illustration of someone dying
Speaker 3: from diarrhea. This isn't from here. This is for dumb adults, right,
Speaker 3: let's un explaination, ya right, and you want and like,
Speaker 3: you know, I feel like a lot of what you're
Speaker 3: telling us is the message of what history is trying
Speaker 3: to tell us now. I feel like that's what you're
Speaker 3: trying to decode right now, a lot of it. And
Speaker 3: I guess what is the message that history is trying
Speaker 3: to tell us?
Speaker 4: Now? Many messages. I mean, one thing is to be
Speaker 4: aware of unintended consequences of what we do. Like again,
Speaker 4: the agricultural revolution. People thought it was a good idea,
Speaker 4: it brought about epidemics, so same lesson for the big
Speaker 4: revolutions of right now, like AI, the more important message
Speaker 4: is that the world in which we live have been
Speaker 4: created by humans, and therefore humans can change it if
Speaker 4: something is unfair. It's not the laws of nature that
Speaker 4: created you know, our economy, our nations, our religions, they're
Speaker 4: all created by human beings, right.
Speaker 3: And yeah, you see that that It sounds hopeful, But
Speaker 3: if you think about it, you're like, oh, no, humans
Speaker 3: did all this? What hold do we have? No? I know,
Speaker 3: but what do we have of changing things? I mean,
Speaker 3: how much? I guess what I'm saying is how much
Speaker 3: of this is inevitable, you know, like when you study history,
Speaker 3: you go, oh.
Speaker 4: History is never terministic. I mean, like you think about the technology.
Speaker 4: Every technology can be used to create very different societies.
Speaker 4: You think about I don't know, North Korea and South
Speaker 4: Korea exactly the same technology, but the used electricity in
Speaker 4: a slightly different way. One place they produce kpo and
Speaker 4: just up north big hats and missiles.
Speaker 3: So okay, am I supposed to just take that? Or okay, fine, Well.
Speaker 4: On the most serious level, again, people have a lot
Speaker 4: of fears about technology what it will do to our politics.
Speaker 4: But again you think about South Korea in North Korea,
Speaker 4: so the same people, same history, same technology, and you
Speaker 4: have a liberal democracy on one side in a totalitarian
Speaker 4: regime on the other. So it's not a technology that
Speaker 4: is shaping our politics of our regimes. It is what
Speaker 4: we decide to do with the technology.
Speaker 3: Sure, well you say that, you say that we are
Speaker 3: in charge of the technology in a way. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: you know, the kind of one of the thesis statements
Speaker 3: of your book is that we're all going to get
Speaker 3: replaced by technological being.
Speaker 4: The wrong decisions. Again, it's it's not inevitable AI like electricity,
Speaker 4: like you know, the earliest I don't know writing when
Speaker 4: people invented writing. So you can do many things with
Speaker 4: the technology of writing. The you can write poetry, you
Speaker 4: can write taxes.
Speaker 3: You can write, you can say, well you can write
Speaker 3: like a you can.
Speaker 4: But again it's a choice of people. Actually, interestingly enough,
Speaker 4: the first person that we know his name, Yeah, he
Speaker 4: was not a conqueror. He was not a big prophet
Speaker 4: or king. He was a geek. He was an accountant.
Speaker 4: Like we have these stones and clay tablets from ancient
Speaker 4: Mesopotamia with accounts of payments and receipts and salaries and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, signed by these ancient geeks, and they
Speaker 4: are the first people.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you keep calling these people geeks, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: do you like them or you don't like them? I
Speaker 3: don't Are they good or they're bad?
Speaker 4: They're good. I mean, Jesus said the geek would inherit
Speaker 4: the earth.
Speaker 3: No, all right, So back on that topic, So you
Speaker 3: keep saying, you know, stories are the superpower of humans
Speaker 3: in a way, right, everything we kind of do if
Speaker 3: you think about it, from culture, the politics, even money.
Speaker 4: Money. Money is the greatest story ever told. It's the
Speaker 4: only story everybody believes, and you know it's when you
Speaker 4: look at it, it has no value in itself. The
Speaker 4: value comes only from the stories we tell about it,
Speaker 4: as every cryptocurrency guru or bitcoin in though the ass No,
Speaker 4: it's all about the stories. There is nothing else. It's
Speaker 4: just a story.
Speaker 3: Okay, So is it real? It's big cooin? You tell
Speaker 3: me investing big poins right now? I don't know. Is
Speaker 3: there a good thing or bad thing?
Speaker 4: I think it's it's kind of a psychical thing. If
Speaker 4: enough people believe in it, then you can go to
Speaker 4: the supermarket and buy whatever you want. If people lose
Speaker 4: faith in the story, then it's worth nothing. And that's
Speaker 4: true of the bitcoin, it's true of the dollar and
Speaker 4: of every other currency. Is that people ever invented?
Speaker 3: Okay? You see when you talk about these things, you're
Speaker 3: always very objective. You always be like, hey man, I'm
Speaker 3: just I'm just telling you how it is. I'm not
Speaker 3: what do you think? Do you think? You know? What
Speaker 3: makes you go for this? You know, because because when
Speaker 3: you talk about history, always like you know, the humans
Speaker 3: came out and then some of the eight berries, and
Speaker 3: you know, you maintain this kind of academic objectivity. But
Speaker 3: what there? What makes Yeah? But what actually do you go?
Speaker 3: This ship? This is awful? What makes you go? Because
Speaker 3: you seem to be okay with everything? It's a tool.
Speaker 3: We don't know you go like AI, this is bad?
Speaker 3: Like what what makes you go? Now?
Speaker 4: The question about every story, whether about money, AI, whatever,
Speaker 4: is whether it increases or decreases the suffering in the world.
Speaker 3: See, this is a non answer. Just tell me what
Speaker 3: you hate, Tell me what you hate?
Speaker 4: What I hate?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, So okay, can we tell this right now? So
Speaker 3: you think that, uh you're openly atheists?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, So can you clarify right now that God is
Speaker 3: just made up? Okay? So God has made We had
Speaker 3: it here? Okay, can you send to the camera please.
Speaker 3: We need that.
Speaker 4: Humans created God.
Speaker 3: Okay, great, that we settled it. That's great. This guy,
Speaker 3: we solved it.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 4: It should be emphasized just because human created it doesn't
Speaker 4: mean it's bad. It can also do good things.
Speaker 3: Stop patting this, just it right, just go it sucks.
Speaker 3: We need more. See this is my this is my problem.
Speaker 3: I think we need more people with kind of objectivity,
Speaker 3: calmly discussing things. I don't think that's you know, is
Speaker 3: anything in what you've seen with humanity telling you that
Speaker 3: we can you know, pull ourselves out of you know,
Speaker 3: all these downslides in history.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean humans have enorm I mean all the
Speaker 4: problems we face, we also have the resources to deal
Speaker 4: with them, whether it's climate change, whether it's the rise
Speaker 4: of AI. We have the resources. What we usually lack
Speaker 4: is the motivation and the ability to cooperate within another.
Speaker 4: But I mean, you know, some people think that to
Speaker 4: solve the big problems, you always need to use violence,
Speaker 4: like you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs. But
Speaker 4: when you look at history, it's it's absolutely not true.
Speaker 4: You think, for instance, about the feminist revolution. After thousands
Speaker 4: of years of a huge injustice, feminism made a huge
Speaker 4: change in the social structure of humanity without starting any wars,
Speaker 4: without assassinating anybody, No Gilio thins in city square. So
Speaker 4: that's one of the hopeful examples of how people can
Speaker 4: just by changing the story also change the world. I mean,
Speaker 4: the idea that.
Speaker 3: Stories the religion, the idea that.
Speaker 4: The story is kind of fuel history. There is a
Speaker 4: positive promise there that, you know, if it's all about power,
Speaker 4: the only way to change power structures is with violence.
Speaker 4: But if it's really at least in part about the
Speaker 4: stories people believe, then potentially by talking with people and
Speaker 4: changing the stories which in which they believe, you can
Speaker 4: change the world.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's very optimistic, but I'm not over so I
Speaker 3: mean one last question. What I really enjoyed by your
Speaker 3: work is that you like to tie kind of current
Speaker 3: modern behavior to like our evolutionary beginnings. For example, you know,
Speaker 3: like you said, we ran, We wake up in the
Speaker 3: middle of the night when we're kids because we ran
Speaker 3: from actual monsters children. So I just like to know
Speaker 3: why is it that whenever I pee, I shiver? Like,
Speaker 3: what was the evolutionary Maybe you.
Speaker 4: Should ask a doctor. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: No, I'm asking you, mister expert.
Speaker 4: I'm not an excerpt from everything.
Speaker 3: The last thing I found very interesting is you said that, like,
Speaker 3: right now we have humans composing things and AI amplifying it.
Speaker 3: That's our current situation. You say, in the future, we're
Speaker 3: going to have AI composing things.
Speaker 4: And what is the images you saw before of AI
Speaker 4: generating fake images? Yes, this is basically a kind of art,
Speaker 4: so it's still the first steps, right, but AI is
Speaker 4: still a baby. It's like you know, ten years since
Speaker 4: the start of the of the major Ai Revolution, so
Speaker 4: we haven't seen anything yet, and it is very likely
Speaker 4: between a couple of years of decades, much of art,
Speaker 4: many of the stories we believe in religion, will be
Speaker 4: increasingly created by this alien intelligence and not by human intelligence.
Speaker 3: Okay, see that's bad. That's a bad thing. Well you
Speaker 3: just said that.
Speaker 4: That's not a very dangerous thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, Okay, So are you going to say that?
Speaker 3: Can you at least say that's bad?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 3: Okay, I finally got to say something bad. Okay, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I guess I'm equal parts hopeful and pessial
Speaker 3: mystery about the future. I'm sorry, that's a good stance. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, thank you so much for speaking to me,
Speaker 3: untop about us Volumeteer as available now you've all Noah Harari, everybody,
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Speaker 2: I don't know what anyone thinks of it.
Speaker 5: Is this the first feedback that you're getting.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's a great book.
Speaker 5: Thank you, how much we enjoyed it. This world is fascinating.
Speaker 5: You go deep into the world of MLMs. Yes, and
Speaker 5: people call them by many different names MLMs.
Speaker 6: Network, marketing, direct marketing, direction.
Speaker 5: Fare schemes.
Speaker 6: I can't call them that.
Speaker 5: You can't get you.
Speaker 1: Can't call them that. But right here on the cover I.
Speaker 6: Got a lot of help. I got a lot of
Speaker 6: help with the cover art.
Speaker 5: Yes, what exactly is an MLM?
Speaker 2: So a multiple marketing company is a business is strafed
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 5: Lightly, but we can't call it a pyramid.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a couple of people at the top.
Speaker 2: Then they have their the upline, the top sellers who
Speaker 2: are supposed to recruit like usually five people each and
Speaker 2: then they're supposed to recruit five people and they're supposed
Speaker 2: to recruit five people infinitely. And the way the money
Speaker 2: flows is that each person who signs up pays like
Speaker 2: a fee at the beginning to sign up, and sometimes
Speaker 2: they have to pay for some products and stuff. But
Speaker 2: they're paying those fees in and then they fail pretty
Speaker 2: quickly usually, and then more people sign up.
Speaker 6: So that's where the money comes from.
Speaker 5: And isn't it something like.
Speaker 2: Percent make no money or lose money. Only one percent
Speaker 2: make a dollar even?
Speaker 7: And we laughed when we laughed, and you said in
Speaker 7: finished because infinitely, because you can't keep doing.
Speaker 2: That thirteen levels and you surpassed the population of the earth, right, so.
Speaker 6: Totally impossible.
Speaker 1: MLMs specifically prey on women.
Speaker 7: These tupperware parties, the sexy parties.
Speaker 6: Are we going to hang out with our friends?
Speaker 1: I want to make this about me for a second, but.
Speaker 3: Why not? Now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well no, why not?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: I would love to go to a nose trimmer party
Speaker 1: or a beef turkey for you?
Speaker 2: First of all, MLMs for you, okay, yes it's a
Speaker 2: crypto or there's telecom companies. There are like lots of
Speaker 2: dude MLMs, but seventy five seventy five percent of people
Speaker 2: involved are women. And it's because the companies go after
Speaker 2: people who have some sort of economic precarity or like trouble,
Speaker 2: you know, moving up the ranks to.
Speaker 6: Here's the there's the pay gap.
Speaker 2: We're fighting against If someone called you today and was like,
Speaker 2: you could make another one thousand dollars a week just
Speaker 2: sitting in your house and talking to your girlfriends and
Speaker 2: selling makeup.
Speaker 6: And now if that was true, I would be doing that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: where do I say?
Speaker 3: Let me do it.
Speaker 6: So you know, we all make less than men. We
Speaker 6: all take care of the home. We're all homemakers, we
Speaker 6: take care of the children.
Speaker 2: We have, like we don't have, especially at the age,
Speaker 2: you know, middle age, we don't have that kind of
Speaker 2: movement in the economy that that other people get. And
Speaker 2: that's and it's not just women, because it's now becoming
Speaker 2: you know, immigrants or people, you know, anyone who is
Speaker 2: a population that has hard time getting really good, solid employment,
Speaker 2: which is everybody, right.
Speaker 5: I also feel like they sucker women in with this
Speaker 5: promise of you know, you can you can achieve independence,
Speaker 5: you can be your own girl boss, and that's alluring
Speaker 5: girl boss.
Speaker 6: Yeah. For I'm forty years old.
Speaker 2: When I hear girls, I'm just like, yeah, boss, babes
Speaker 2: and fempire.
Speaker 6: But it's true. My great grandma did avon and it did.
Speaker 2: Help her feel like some agency in her life because
Speaker 2: she didn't have a career.
Speaker 6: She got pregnant at like fourteen.
Speaker 2: And had a bunch of kids and really didn't have
Speaker 2: like a job outside of that, and it felt good
Speaker 2: to get on stage or get a pin or get
Speaker 2: like a fancy jacket and be around people and be lauded.
Speaker 2: So I do think those things are really valuable. And
Speaker 2: I think the parties are really fun. They're actually super fun.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I did one in my house when I was like twenty.
Speaker 2: It was like a lingerie party and everyone came out
Speaker 2: and modeled their tell me.
Speaker 6: Good lunch.
Speaker 1: You touched on a little bit.
Speaker 7: But besides just that you can make a thousand dollars
Speaker 7: a week, there are some psychological components that they recruit with.
Speaker 1: Yes, to me, that's almost more powerful. Tell me a
Speaker 1: little bit about what they do.
Speaker 2: So the recruitment is, you know, just things that appeal
Speaker 2: to all of us, like you can have time and
Speaker 2: money and freedom, and you don't have to have any qualifications,
Speaker 2: and the world is yours and we have a secret.
Speaker 6: You know, we have a secret that they don't want
Speaker 6: you to know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So then they rely on these logical fallacies
Speaker 2: that we all kind of rely on in our lives,
Speaker 2: and one of them is honoring sunk costs. Like when
Speaker 2: you buy a lemon for a car and you get
Speaker 2: it worked on and worked on and worked on, there
Speaker 2: comes a point where you have to be like, I
Speaker 2: can't fix this car and I have to get rid
Speaker 2: of this car.
Speaker 1: This is me at the black check table.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's exactly a thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: You might as well be a thousand. What am I
Speaker 1: going to do?
Speaker 6: Walk away now?
Speaker 5: Like, no, I'm gonna I'm when I'm an energy.
Speaker 6: You got to stick out all this time?
Speaker 2: And how much does it how much time does it
Speaker 2: take for you to lose a thousand dollars?
Speaker 1: I bet and like small one dollar all night.
Speaker 7: It's like the whole free I got a free I
Speaker 7: got a free martini.
Speaker 1: But I've lost two thousand dollars at the table, right
Speaker 1: and then you've.
Speaker 2: Lost two thousand dollars and I'm feeling the anxiety of
Speaker 2: even you just saying that, or I'm like, you can't
Speaker 2: walk away at two thousand. So that's what they rely on,
Speaker 2: is that they know we're all gonna do that. And
Speaker 2: there's a bunch more like the idea that it's a
Speaker 2: truth that we feel losses much more than gains. We
Speaker 2: feel them and our bodies like as trauma and a
Speaker 2: gain is like okay, great, but a loss is like
Speaker 2: you know, and so we do everything we can to
Speaker 2: not realize the loss, to not experience the loss, so
Speaker 2: we stick with a plan that's not working for a
Speaker 2: really long time.
Speaker 1: Is there.
Speaker 7: Can the government like this help us? I mean, isn't
Speaker 7: this what the Federal Trade Commission is.
Speaker 1: You would have to do?
Speaker 5: Is there legislation that can be passed to correct this?
Speaker 2: There's things are being worked on. But I will say
Speaker 2: just to give the FTC a bit of a break,
Speaker 2: their purview is so enormous. They are tiny. First of all,
Speaker 2: they're like the side of the smallest of MLM in
Speaker 2: terms of the people that are there and the money
Speaker 2: they get to use.
Speaker 6: They're tiny.
Speaker 2: And their job is and listen to that, especially after
Speaker 2: the pandemic and stuff, their job is false product claims,
Speaker 2: credit card card fraud, you know, fishing spam, every kind
Speaker 2: of fraud. Your grandma getting taken by somebody that she's
Speaker 2: never met over the phone. And when you put that
Speaker 2: up against MLMs where the people who are signed up are.
Speaker 6: Like excited about it.
Speaker 2: It's hard to put that first, although this is such
Speaker 2: a bigger.
Speaker 6: Problem than those things in numbers. So they have a
Speaker 6: they have a tough task, and I don't blame them.
Speaker 6: You know, they're doing the best they can.
Speaker 5: So technically MLMs are legal what.
Speaker 6: I believe they are not, but.
Speaker 2: They exist because I put I use this comparison all
Speaker 2: the time, like that's like being like, I'm a murderer
Speaker 2: because I'm in jail, and then I'm not a murderer
Speaker 2: because I'm not in jail. Right, that doesn't make any sense, but.
Speaker 3: The les would be.
Speaker 5: Repeated as such. So what can be done.
Speaker 1: Is not stepping in. What can smart American people do?
Speaker 7: You do need five other people to buy?
Speaker 3: But but for real, what's our defense?
Speaker 2: It really is talking about it, you know, that's the
Speaker 2: only thing we can do because the government doesn't have
Speaker 2: the capacity.
Speaker 6: And that's understandable.
Speaker 2: Because there are so many I talked to the FTC
Speaker 2: recently and one of the women I was talking to
Speaker 2: is like, it's a very target rich environment right now.
Speaker 2: And I thought she meant because I was asking her
Speaker 2: why don't we go after these companies? It's target rich environment?
Speaker 2: I thought she meant there's too many MLMs, and she knows.
Speaker 6: She was talking about us.
Speaker 2: She was like, this is the perfect environment for these
Speaker 2: companies to come after you like you.
Speaker 6: We are all desperate.
Speaker 2: We're all like wanting to realize the American dream and
Speaker 2: believe this is a meritocracy and believe this is a
Speaker 2: place where you work hard and you get rewarded for
Speaker 2: it and all that. You know, right, whatever, So talk
Speaker 2: about it and be aware to talk about it. Tell
Speaker 2: your friends, you know, they're they're fine pitching you some
Speaker 2: garbage hair product or whatever. You should be fine being like,
Speaker 2: you know what, this is not cool, and I think
Speaker 2: the tides turning.
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