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Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church,
Speaker 1: Hecma Harrison, and Newie Scruggs.
Speaker 3: Yo, top of the Players Lounge. The final week of
Speaker 3: the regular season, the final week the Cowboys is there?
Speaker 3: They're done? After this week? Is they get ready to
Speaker 3: face the Washington Common? Is Dallas week? Up there?
Speaker 2: Dallas?
Speaker 3: Are they gonna play?
Speaker 2: Are they gonna play Daniels in the book because they clitched?
Speaker 3: Heck Harrison is here, former Cowboys safety Barry Church, Newie Scrugs,
Speaker 3: So yeah, man, woof, I'll find out what they're gonna do.
Speaker 3: But what if the Cowboy's gonna do Jerry Jones on
Speaker 3: his rail? Sure they would not commit about what what
Speaker 3: happened with Trey Lance a quarterback. For me, that's frustrating.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you. That's frustrating to me because
Speaker 3: there's nothing left to play for now. You've got one
Speaker 3: game left and the bulk of what we've seen from
Speaker 3: Trey Lance is the preseason. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: When do we get to the point where we just
Speaker 4: be real with ourselves and say that that was a mistake.
Speaker 4: I mean, whether it was a bargainingship for negotiations with
Speaker 4: Dak or not, you traded a fourth form. They brought
Speaker 4: him in, they got an opportunity to see what he had,
Speaker 4: and at the end of the conclusion of that was
Speaker 4: this guy can't help us. Dak's been gone for a
Speaker 4: very long time now, And if there was gonna be
Speaker 4: a trey Lance opportunity, you would have thought, in between
Speaker 4: Mike trying to save himself and everything else, if there
Speaker 4: was anything there, you would.
Speaker 2: Have seen some trey Lance by now. I mean, am
Speaker 2: I It just helped me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be under the illusion that they're
Speaker 4: saving him for something.
Speaker 3: Just disillusioned by the whole thing. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 3: you think about it. Mingos had more opportunity, Mingo, that's facts, Mingo.
Speaker 3: Mingo has been out there. Who he got playing? Who
Speaker 3: had that in a losing season? I mean, you're seventy nine.
Speaker 3: Jeff Fisher will say that's seventy nine. You know on
Speaker 3: that seventy nine got no chance, And and we don't know.
Speaker 3: This dude is still you know, it's like the unwrapped
Speaker 3: Christmas get sitting there. We're gonna do something with it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't I don't understand in this day
Speaker 3: and age of roster acquisition and trying to take peaks
Speaker 3: and looking at people to play the man. But Jerry
Speaker 3: didn't want to say anything it, which is amazing. Didn't
Speaker 3: want to get away a game play. That's wow to
Speaker 3: me because you basically traded a fourth rounder, you know,
Speaker 3: for a practice squad player. Because if we looking at
Speaker 3: it and we keep it in a being like we
Speaker 3: always do on this show, you know, the most reps
Speaker 3: Trey Lance has been having is just being a scout team.
Speaker 2: Quarterback throwing up preseason.
Speaker 3: And I'm with you on this newie. Like we we
Speaker 3: saw what we got from Cooper Rush. We understand what
Speaker 3: we got from Cooper Rush. Solid quarterback can be the
Speaker 3: bus driver when he got a full you know, arsenal
Speaker 3: people around him. He could be that good backup in
Speaker 3: a pinch, right in an emergency. So we know what
Speaker 3: we got from Cooper Rush. Why not just you got
Speaker 3: nothing to lose, Just throw Rush out there, not Rush
Speaker 3: Lance out there, and see what he can provide. You
Speaker 3: may like what you see when he has, you know,
Speaker 3: an officive line and some guys out there, and he's
Speaker 3: not playing with threes and fours like we saw in
Speaker 3: the preseason. So to me, I'm with you, Newie, just
Speaker 3: just throw the man. You have nothing zero zero to lose.
Speaker 3: Not gonna lose the locker room by putting him out there.
Speaker 3: This is the last game of the season, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So just go out there and see
Speaker 3: what he has and maybe, just maybe you get a
Speaker 3: glimpse of Oh man, this dude can can do a
Speaker 3: little something. Mike at the very least. Mike has talked
Speaker 3: numerous times in his postgame press his press conference is
Speaker 3: about he just needs to play. Yeah, I played a
Speaker 3: lot of football, Okay, So if he hasn't played a
Speaker 3: lot of football and you're on that seventy nine, boo,
Speaker 3: not the job. Play him, get him getting some reps. Now.
Speaker 3: I don't want to sound blasphemous when I say this
Speaker 3: or say that he's at this level at all, but
Speaker 3: if it's one thing we've learned last year and even
Speaker 3: something this year, Sometimes teams make mistakes and quarterbacks can
Speaker 3: develop over time, Sam Donald, Baker Mayfield. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: he's even gonna be that because Sam Donald was, you know,
Speaker 3: he played with the Jets, and Baker Mayfield played when
Speaker 3: he was in Cleveland. This young man hasn't played. I'm
Speaker 3: just trying to understand, what are we doing? Yeah? Maybe
Speaker 3: heck ma, that's the whole thing. What are we doing?
Speaker 4: When you make a mistake, man, sometimes it's just better
Speaker 4: to cut bait. And maybe it was a mistake. I mean,
Speaker 4: just from a business perspective, I don't even look at
Speaker 4: it as football. Look, I have to renegotiate a contract.
Speaker 4: So what do I do I bring in a guy's
Speaker 4: that bargainship against this contract that I'm negotiating. It didn't
Speaker 4: go the way that you thought it was going to
Speaker 4: go because you ended up paying Dak. You change the
Speaker 4: market at the quarterback position. You get him back here
Speaker 4: and there's a battle between him and him and Cooper Rush,
Speaker 4: and you see that Cooper Rush's leaps and bounds better
Speaker 4: than him. You go through the season and just to
Speaker 4: what you're saying, Barry, I think they've already had that.
Speaker 2: They've already given.
Speaker 4: Him that opportunity out here they've already seen it, you know,
Speaker 4: we've said it a practice and watched and seen the
Speaker 4: reps that they've been giving him. They obviously don't feel
Speaker 4: comfortable with going into a game with him at the
Speaker 4: Helmets quarterback. And if they don't feel that, where and
Speaker 4: if you made a mistake, okay, what I'm not okay
Speaker 4: with is doubling down on a mistake, you know, training
Speaker 4: another fourth round pick for a guy that that hadn't
Speaker 4: come in and had any production for you. That's what
Speaker 4: That's what my problem is, because you need that fourth
Speaker 4: this year with all the with everything that there is.
Speaker 3: You saw, we all saw where this was going. This
Speaker 3: was a tic. You saw this thing was going that
Speaker 3: seventy nine bo Yeah, and you gave away for me.
Speaker 2: You know you needed that form.
Speaker 3: So why is he talking about due he needs to play?
Speaker 3: What's to disconnect that? Because he's like, look, man, this
Speaker 3: man just needs some reps. So obviously the head coach
Speaker 3: is like, look I want to get him out there. Well,
Speaker 3: the head coach is trying to win some games. That's true, okay,
Speaker 3: trying to win games. And if whether or not he
Speaker 3: was coaching for Jerry coaching to go coach somewhere else
Speaker 3: that that's fine. Now we're at the end. We know
Speaker 3: he's over.
Speaker 5: Time.
Speaker 2: You got to go home. But you gotta get.
Speaker 3: Seasons, ashes to ashes, dust to dust, believe it. So,
Speaker 3: so put the boy out there a little. But it
Speaker 3: was forty one and seven. Why wasn't he playing major
Speaker 3: minutes something? Okay, you out here watching Tanner from the
Speaker 3: other team. Tanner out here tagging people. Yet he was
Speaker 3: twenty five, dotted him up three or four. Let's looking like, hey, Rod,
Speaker 3: back in the day, he did look like previntage Romo.
Speaker 3: He did. He got people like me, accurate bat shoulders
Speaker 3: and all, oh my god, like gosh making stop their
Speaker 3: string should.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, so why isn't Trey playing. We're gonna watch Cooper
Speaker 3: come out here and do that. Frustrated frustrating because there's
Speaker 3: how much frustrating here and all this abou rico down.
Speaker 2: Man, I thought I was joking when y'all said that.
Speaker 3: I said, back home, I mean, you know, capit. Do
Speaker 3: we read the cowboy Twitter d in the name all
Speaker 3: of the one thousand yards, the first cowboy and drafted
Speaker 3: free agent to get that, God, thank you. Then you
Speaker 3: go fumble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some cookies, man, And I don't.
Speaker 3: Want to sound too disrespectful because I'm part of the
Speaker 3: undrafted crew as well, and you know his accomplishments coming
Speaker 3: from undrafted all that, because I get all that. But
Speaker 3: when we look at the tape, the eye in the
Speaker 3: sky doesn't lie. No, we've all seen it. And given
Speaker 3: the opportunities that he's had, he's made the most of
Speaker 3: his opportunities. But let's not fool ourselves here, man, we
Speaker 3: goo dawdle it. With all due respect, is not a
Speaker 3: special running back. He's not a game changer. He's not
Speaker 3: a guy that when you go into those pregame meetings
Speaker 3: and you know, Monday Tuesday looking at fielm He's not
Speaker 3: a guy that the coaches are circling saying, hey man,
Speaker 3: we got to know where number twenty three.
Speaker 2: Is at all times.
Speaker 3: He's just not that guy. He's a good maybe chaine
Speaker 3: of pace or if your man guys needs a breather,
Speaker 3: he can go in there and keep the ship afloat,
Speaker 3: but he's not a difference maker when it comes to
Speaker 3: the offensive side of the football.
Speaker 2: And it's to me, I hate saying this because it's
Speaker 2: one of one of your sayings and he's.
Speaker 3: A JAG's just a god at the running back position,
Speaker 3: and he's had a heck of a year for where
Speaker 3: he was where he was drafting orders. I get all that,
Speaker 3: but when you're looking at tape, you know, guys ain't
Speaker 3: sitting there saying.
Speaker 2: Man, we don't stop reco it's a rap.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. He's just not what you need.
Speaker 2: Offensively, and you need more pop out of the backfield.
Speaker 3: So when y'all, you know, got that question to chat,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, man, he's a free agents and you
Speaker 3: know I'm Steven and coming.
Speaker 4: Let him go be free, Let's see what Let's see
Speaker 4: what the market is for him. But barbaris, he's had
Speaker 4: four games of one hundred yards and that's what you're
Speaker 4: talking about. I think when you put your turn on
Speaker 4: the tape and you look this, I mean, I know,
Speaker 4: from the beginning of the season you can give excuses
Speaker 4: for those rookies on the offensive line and maybe not
Speaker 4: the balance that you wanted offensively, but he gave you.
Speaker 4: I think in watching Rico, you're like, wait a minute, man.
Speaker 4: You know I'm watching other running backs and I know
Speaker 4: the position. Well, you're just not that guy that I
Speaker 4: think is intimidating as you were talking about to other
Speaker 4: teams that hey, we got to scheme up for this
Speaker 4: dude to come in this game because the Cowboys got
Speaker 4: a running back back and bust for one hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty hundred and seventy.
Speaker 2: Change the game, and that's what we were needing.
Speaker 4: I think when you let Tony Pollard go, it's been
Speaker 4: this thought process over the running back room or in
Speaker 4: general all over the NFL that you could plug and
Speaker 4: play anybody, throw him in there, right, And I think
Speaker 4: that philosophy came that that went bad fast, That did
Speaker 4: not age well, right, because now you're seeing guys like Saquon.
Speaker 4: Now you're seeing guys like dere Herry, you're seeing Jacobs,
Speaker 4: You're seeing all these teams that have short up their
Speaker 4: running back room, and oh, by the way, they are
Speaker 4: headed into the playoffs with you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: you have something to lean on when you watch a
Speaker 4: when you watch a Detroit. Last night, I'm watching Detroit
Speaker 4: and I'm like, man, damn, they lost their other guy.
Speaker 4: But Gibbs, I got a guy, right, They got another
Speaker 4: guy right behind him. And we're in a situation right now.
Speaker 4: I mean even if you think about the thousand yards
Speaker 4: that he's gone for. Heck, if we lost him, think
Speaker 4: about where the season would have gone. And I do
Speaker 4: believe he was inactive for one game this season.
Speaker 2: Correct. I want to say so yeah, was brought up.
Speaker 2: I want to say absolutely, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they.
Speaker 4: Cut his dreads, Dreds came back. So it's been one
Speaker 4: of those kind of years, bro.
Speaker 2: So it's been one of those.
Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna throw this out now, I say this,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw this out here. That's right, I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna throw this out here in the fairness world, Okay,
Speaker 3: fair fairness. Rico Dalal is tied for thirteenth and rushing
Speaker 3: with Najie Harris Pittsburgh, former Pittsburgh Steeler, a former first
Speaker 3: round pick for Steelers one thousand and seven yards. They
Speaker 3: both have at twelve with one thousand and seventeen yards
Speaker 3: is ten more yards Tony Pollard sound by right, both
Speaker 3: have played fifteen games, and ahead of them all right
Speaker 3: now is Bucky Irving one thousand and thirty three yards
Speaker 3: and Bucky, of course is the guy that they could
Speaker 3: have taken in the fourth round but they did not.
Speaker 3: Bucky Irving with seven touchdowns, Tony Pollard with five touchdowns,
Speaker 3: Rico Dada with one touchdown, Naji Harris with five touchdowns.
Speaker 3: And the numbers that Rico have are more than Joe Mixon,
Speaker 3: more than Jared Cook, more than Alvin Kamara. So just
Speaker 3: just throwing more than Breese Hall of the Jets. So
Speaker 3: just throwing it out there, more than Brian Robinson of
Speaker 3: Washington who's only playing I would say thirteen games, Yes,
Speaker 3: played thirteen, but I would still take every single one
Speaker 3: of those backs, especially single one of those backs. I
Speaker 3: would take over a young Rico Daddle.
Speaker 4: It's funny, man, you say Najia Harris because I'm watching
Speaker 4: still a football. He's another one of those guys that's
Speaker 4: just what what do you I mean? Come on, man,
Speaker 4: bus yo, that's the whole go.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. He just does a lot of dancing behind
Speaker 2: the you know, it's.
Speaker 3: A lot of timid, a lot of d dancing back
Speaker 3: then thirty.
Speaker 4: So that's like when I see that drives me crazy
Speaker 4: when I watch a running back do that and and
Speaker 4: Le'Veon Bell, God bless him wherever he is right now
Speaker 4: getting knocked out some yeah. Right, But he was one
Speaker 4: of those running backs that really used to frustrate me
Speaker 4: the way like they call, Oh, he's such a patient
Speaker 4: run I'm like, no, he's timmy tiptoeing.
Speaker 2: You know, he's being timmy. He's not in the hole.
Speaker 4: And you know, to finally see at this point in
Speaker 4: the season that part of Rico's games, somebody got put
Speaker 4: the bug in his ear and said, man, you gotta
Speaker 4: stop doing that a running back coach. For you've been
Speaker 4: pointing that out a lot, you know, and you've been
Speaker 4: talking about that, and I think, look, regardless my grandmother's quote,
Speaker 4: just can't make chickens out of chicken salad. No matter
Speaker 4: how good of a coach you are, sometimes sometimes it
Speaker 4: comes down to the talent that.
Speaker 2: You have in the room.
Speaker 3: I don't think they've improved the position since Skip Pete
Speaker 3: left there, And you go look at Tempa Bay and
Speaker 3: what Tampa Bay has done since Skip Pete got there
Speaker 3: in that running back room. Coaching matters that room overall.
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones missed on as the general manager. Bringing Ezekiel
Speaker 3: Elliott back was a was a mistake. Even with the
Speaker 3: rest of his camp. We westerned for the rest of
Speaker 3: the year for the final push. No, no, that was bad.
Speaker 3: The Dalvin Cook thing that was bad, the Hunter Lipkey
Speaker 3: thoughts I had that was bad. The whole room just underwhelming.
Speaker 3: And knowing that, Derrick Henry was like, had me pick me,
Speaker 3: pick me, and you said no, you gave up your fourth,
Speaker 3: which could have been Bucky Irvy, who's got a bright
Speaker 3: future in Tampa Bay. This was this room was a miss,
Speaker 3: big time, big time miss. And as much as they
Speaker 3: wanted to invest in Dak Prescott, you look at Dak
Speaker 3: Prescott's best year, you look at Tony Romo's best year
Speaker 3: happened when he had a run game, a good god
Speaker 3: a run game and a good offensive line, and you
Speaker 3: don't have that, and they gotta fix that, man, they
Speaker 3: have to fix that. I'm not for taking Ashton Genty
Speaker 3: in the first round from Boise State. I'm just not
Speaker 3: good running back. But I don't think he's a Brahma bull.
Speaker 3: When I think if you just will take somebody in
Speaker 3: the first round, I need it. I need the Ezekiel
Speaker 3: Elliott image. I need a bull, need Brahma bull. Three
Speaker 3: down guy. Don't need nobody else with boom. It's him,
Speaker 3: he him. That's not what what Ashton gent is not
Speaker 3: not at his best in my opinion, And you talk people,
Speaker 3: I talk, and then what what skip? Pet was so
Speaker 3: ahead of the curve in this when you when you
Speaker 3: talk about coaching, he when we used to sit down
Speaker 3: and talk, you know, when I was playing, he used
Speaker 3: to always tell me, you got your lead dog, but
Speaker 3: you always gotta have that kind of mixture of backs.
Speaker 3: And when you look at you know, teams this year
Speaker 3: outside of you know Sequon, who even has a great
Speaker 3: you know backup in Kenneth game. Well you look at
Speaker 3: all these you know, big time rant teams. They always
Speaker 3: got the one two comma. You know, Detroit got the
Speaker 3: Sonic and Knuckles.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Even in Derrick Henry Justice Hill is a good change
Speaker 3: of pace out there. Tampa Bay were skipped pizza. Now, man,
Speaker 3: they got trio of backs out there that can all
Speaker 3: give you a thousand yards and that keeps.
Speaker 2: That that run game fresh. So I mean, it's just
Speaker 2: wild that he was, you know, let go here because
Speaker 2: he was so ahead of the curve.
Speaker 3: And you think about every running back that was underneath
Speaker 3: him always had kind of a career year, whether it
Speaker 3: was out of the backfield, receiving, running the combo to
Speaker 3: two man, he was such a hell of a coach
Speaker 3: and he was so ahead of his curve, man that
Speaker 3: the NFL is a copycat league. And at some point
Speaker 3: when everybody started saying, well, you know, you don't need
Speaker 3: a running back, and you're starting to see Kansas City
Speaker 3: win with guys you know, maybe.
Speaker 4: But what happens when you get to the playoffs. Nobody
Speaker 4: mentions when you get to the playoff of what Kansas
Speaker 4: City was doing with those just guys. Andy Reid was
Speaker 4: exposing teams in the running game, and that's now. But
Speaker 4: check on one hunt, come on, that's that's what I'm
Speaker 4: pointing now. And you're a first rounder on Clyde Edwards.
Speaker 3: And he knows how. And he's going to the Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame for a reason, going to Hall of Fame
Speaker 3: for the reason. But hey, look you you you got
Speaker 3: rid of Skip Peete, Mike McCarthy, you got rid of
Speaker 3: Skip Peek, and you did not improve the position. You
Speaker 3: hired a buddy. You hired your buddy who was the
Speaker 3: assistant O line coach who never played, who never played
Speaker 3: the position. Uh, you know, at the level of Skip
Speaker 3: p had played just and even just coaching Watse, Skip
Speaker 3: was better like the professor. Okay, this professor was better
Speaker 3: than that professor here and the running backs have complained
Speaker 3: about they have complained. And if Mike is allowed to
Speaker 3: come back Jerry Amen, that guy. No, if you want
Speaker 3: your friends to stay, put him someplace else. It's kind
Speaker 3: of like what they did with Judd Garrett. Wow, come on, man.
Speaker 2: Here to Jay.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I mean friends, and we're gonna
Speaker 3: hire the next thing in the scouting department somewhere.
Speaker 2: But can't say this.
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy has been willing to make changes. He has
Speaker 4: been willing to make change.
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Speaker 3: What if I three the fan. Jerry Jones had his
Speaker 3: show today, Jerry Jones Show. Sea Sharief and Bobby Belt
Speaker 3: did their best to ask Jerry about bringing Mike McCarthy back.
Speaker 3: Mike wanted to be noncommittal. I don't get this. I
Speaker 3: don't get this. Say on one hand he's done a
Speaker 3: good job and you like this, that and the other
Speaker 3: then you say you don't want to say something either way. Look,
Speaker 3: Miam mccart's free agent chgo.
Speaker 2: He will have some suitors.
Speaker 3: I really think New Orleans could be a good spot
Speaker 3: for him from the standpoint used to coach down there.
Speaker 3: They've got got talent, got some quarterback needs. Issues to
Speaker 3: places where where car can get better, and you got
Speaker 3: to sprints of rattler I think can be developed. I
Speaker 3: think he could work well with Gail Been to the
Speaker 3: Mickey Loomis. That's just my opinion. So I think Mike.
Speaker 3: I think Mike McCarthy will be coaching in the National
Speaker 3: Football League, whether it's for in twenty twenty five, don't
Speaker 3: know whether it's for the Cowboys, but I think he
Speaker 3: will be coaching somewhere. Just my opinion. Twelfth all time
Speaker 3: and wins. I mean this is a guy who is
Speaker 3: a proven winner in this league, who's won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: And if it's not good enough for Jerry, Lord knows
Speaker 3: he's better than what he was, better than Dennis Allen
Speaker 3: over show, better than coach flues your boy there. I
Speaker 3: wanted better for my boy decisions some self afflicted woulds. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you know Mike could could improve there, But heck,
Speaker 3: where are you standing right now? Yeah?
Speaker 4: When I think about it, really, Mike McCarthy from that
Speaker 4: twenty twenty class of coaching hires, it's him and Kevin
Speaker 4: Stefanski that are still coaching. And you look at both
Speaker 4: of their records. I mean, Kevin Stefanski doesn't have a
Speaker 4: better record than Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy's forty nine to
Speaker 4: thirty four and it's time here at the Cowboys. But
Speaker 4: you don't hear anybody talking about Kevin Stefanski. And maybe
Speaker 4: they're whispers, but it ain't. The drum beat ain't as
Speaker 4: loud as it is here in Dallas. I think the
Speaker 4: one thing right he did, and I think three twelve
Speaker 4: and five seasons didn't earn him a Coach of the
Speaker 4: Year award. Kevin Stefanski only won one playoff victory. Does
Speaker 4: a sound familiar? I mean, I'm just I'm just going
Speaker 4: down this rabbit hole of what we when we do
Speaker 4: a comparison of all these coaches together in the brain
Speaker 4: trust of who's a genius in who's not. I just
Speaker 4: I think Mike has been solid and what he's having
Speaker 4: a bad year. Nobody's gonna give him an excuse for
Speaker 4: the injuries or any of that. But I just come
Speaker 4: back to what I've been hearing all season. What bothered
Speaker 4: me about the interview was when he was when when
Speaker 4: Jerry was asked, did that impact your team in any
Speaker 4: way him coming into the season on a one year deal?
Speaker 4: And and he didn't think that it did. And I
Speaker 4: was like, how could it not have How could it
Speaker 4: not have impacted your star players? How could it not
Speaker 4: have impacted your rook any of the guys that are
Speaker 4: just looking for that synergy and normalcy in the NFL,
Speaker 4: which you guys talk about all the time, the routine
Speaker 4: of the NFL, and maybe you can ignore the press, Clippers,
Speaker 4: maybe you can ignore social media and all of that,
Speaker 4: but it's all around you. Now you know, is he
Speaker 4: gonna be? And this I think, when did that start.
Speaker 4: It started in training camp. Mike is coaching for his job,
Speaker 4: and when is it gonna start the clock the countdown
Speaker 4: to Mike? I mean, and people almost like after one
Speaker 4: the Detroit game is might gonna be back, you know,
Speaker 4: a forty five minute delay to the podium, like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, is it today? You know today it's to
Speaker 4: day to day here, And I mean, wait, you know
Speaker 4: it's it's stuff like that that I think really kind
Speaker 4: of throws me off.
Speaker 2: But when look is he staying? Is he going?
Speaker 4: That's been the roller coaster that we've enjoyed here all
Speaker 4: the way going through this season. Look, man, he got
Speaker 4: three more days, no matter what, he has three more
Speaker 4: days Sunday at about three o'clock. Man, he's going to
Speaker 4: be a free man. The decision is ultimately gonna be
Speaker 4: on him. What he's gonna do. What I like for
Speaker 4: Mike to come back and finish the job and get
Speaker 4: this team. I really would, I really would. I've already
Speaker 4: I've gone on the record. I've said it. I think
Speaker 4: he got a bad rap this year, and I think
Speaker 4: I thought he's got a bad rap all along.
Speaker 2: Will that happened?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I really am at a place where I can't solidly
Speaker 4: say oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he'd be back. You know
Speaker 4: I haven't, right, I am, I am, And you know
Speaker 4: we talked about it. Was it last week or a
Speaker 4: week ago? You know, I've changed my tune as well.
Speaker 3: You know, I've dived into the keeping keeping big mic
Speaker 3: around because coming from a player standpoint, like you said,
Speaker 3: it's it's hard to kind of drown out all the
Speaker 3: outside no, especially now when you see it on all
Speaker 3: the shows and social media and you're thinking to yourself, Man,
Speaker 3: is this you know, coaches last goal around and if
Speaker 3: he's gone, they're not gone with him? Are they gonna
Speaker 3: bring me back? Like you know, especially if you're you're
Speaker 3: a draft pick of Mike McCarthy. That all comes in
Speaker 3: into it as well. So you're thinking about a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of different things. But to me, when I look
Speaker 3: at it, you gotta look at what the players want.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I understand you don't.
Speaker 2: We don't want to do that.
Speaker 3: Look to the Raiders want Antonio periods. That's true, that's true.
Speaker 3: But I feel like the Cowboys in a different situation
Speaker 3: than the Raiders. They got their franchise quarterback they got
Speaker 3: the pieces. They just had a little bit of injury
Speaker 3: issues to this year, I give him that they had
Speaker 3: some injury. You lost Micael for a couple of games,
Speaker 3: Dak was out of there, CD was injured. You know,
Speaker 3: you had a lot of injuries. So I understand from
Speaker 3: that standpoint that they did want Antonio Pierce back and
Speaker 3: it didn't go as well as you know, the players
Speaker 3: thought that it would go in that situation.
Speaker 2: But when you look at McCarthy in his situation, what he's.
Speaker 3: Been able to do, losing Dak Prescott multiple seasons, still
Speaker 3: being able to ride this ship and give this team
Speaker 3: an opportunity with Cooper Rush out the hell all right,
Speaker 3: and not only that a couple years ago when he
Speaker 3: was able to do it, but this year Cooper Rush went.
Speaker 2: Out a lot of the pieces.
Speaker 3: They were still in contention, they still had winning streets
Speaker 3: up until that Cincinnati game and it kind of kind
Speaker 3: of fumbled from there.
Speaker 2: But you gotta see what these players are doing on
Speaker 2: the football field.
Speaker 3: You know, they say a lot of stuff in the
Speaker 3: media and all this, that and the third, but what
Speaker 3: what do they produce on the football field. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm with it because I see what the players want
Speaker 3: and what they respond. He has never lost the locker room,
Speaker 3: and it could have been gone Jayne Garrett never lost
Speaker 3: the locker room, by the.
Speaker 2: Way, that could tell I know a man that could
Speaker 2: tell us.
Speaker 3: Okay, but you never lost all right, so we're not Gary,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Macarthy never lost it. When we come back professional,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you why you need to think again.
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Speaker 3: two are both saying, Mike mccarth that come on back
Speaker 3: today on Jerry Jones radio show on one to five
Speaker 3: three the Fan, he's noncommittal. I go back to two things.
Speaker 3: One nineteen eighty nine, when Jerry Jones bought this team
Speaker 3: was forty seven years old. Jerry Jones upset every Cowboy
Speaker 3: fan and the NFL establishment by firing Tom Landry and
Speaker 3: going and hiring Jimmy Johnson from the University of Mine.
Speaker 3: As bold a move as it gets. Right there, He's Gammy,
Speaker 3: don't make no money. That is facts, and Jimmy won
Speaker 3: two championships, won the first one within four years, setting
Speaker 3: up the team of the nineteen nineties. He won the
Speaker 3: championship since Barry Switzer held up that Trophy. Basically with
Speaker 3: all the players that Jimmy brought in here still had
Speaker 3: to coach. Yes, yes he did, because there's plenty of
Speaker 3: people who got talent and couldn't coach it up. So
Speaker 3: I always give Barry his credit for getting it done
Speaker 3: and doing that part. That was bold, Jerry.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 3: Now go back to when they didn't draft Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 3: Remember what he told Steven said that was by taking
Speaker 3: that Martin. That was a layup. I didn't buy the
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys come by laying up Bowld taking shots you
Speaker 3: bring back Mike mccarthury're laying up. This is not bold, Jerry.
Speaker 3: This is eighty one year old, Jerry, Is it not
Speaker 3: eighty two? That's what this is now. This is If
Speaker 3: Jerry does that, that's status quo. Okay, just one more try, Jerry,
Speaker 3: like you did after the Packer game. People thought about
Speaker 3: making a move. You didn't make a move. When there's
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick sitting out, here's Jim hardballt saying it was
Speaker 3: even your opportunity to hire Dan Quinn if you wanted
Speaker 3: to bowl. Jerry didn't act. It's okay, Jerry. Danny McCrae
Speaker 3: hit me this weekend.
Speaker 2: Man, I thought you.
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you who the player was that
Speaker 4: hits you with me because I didn't want that player
Speaker 4: to be anonymous, say thank you, wanted the may He.
Speaker 3: Had to pull out. Man Paul basically said, Brian brought us.
Speaker 3: I get Brian broughtus former cowboy scout where he said, hey, man,
Speaker 3: sure job, there is a general. Maner's job to go
Speaker 3: find go find the answer. That's your job. Have a list,
Speaker 3: and Danny hit me with Packers, Eagles, Lions, Houston, Rams, Washington, Bucks, Vikings,
Speaker 3: Chargers all found answers. Not hard to take a chance.
Speaker 3: When I look at the Eagles, I can't stand Nicks here.
Speaker 3: I just don't like that dude. But he's been to
Speaker 3: the playoffs all four years. He's been there, he's been
Speaker 3: to a super Bowl. They fired Doug Peterson, who won
Speaker 3: them their only super Bowl. They decided, hey, Dougie, appreciate it,
Speaker 3: but we're gonna do something different. They didn't let him
Speaker 3: hang on for ten years. Thank you. The Packers fired
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy Matt LeFleur. While he hasn't taken him to
Speaker 3: a super Bowl, he's been in a conversation Matt is
Speaker 3: a good football. Oh as we witnessed when he came
Speaker 3: in here in January and whooped that trick.
Speaker 2: Don't do not.
Speaker 3: More than two dollars today?
Speaker 2: He look.
Speaker 3: Hazing the Lions. Okay, the Lions went and hired Dan Campbell.
Speaker 3: I'll be the first take too. I saw that, prest like,
Speaker 3: come on, I was with you on that. What were
Speaker 3: we talking about?
Speaker 2: Caps?
Speaker 3: Stan Campbell has been a different They went differently. Houston
Speaker 3: brought it to me. Ko Ryans. Remember they had Lovey
Speaker 3: Smith fired after year. They had the other light skinned
Speaker 3: brother that came remembers they call well they had him
Speaker 3: like two seconds. He got the games and boy walked
Speaker 3: out for three four years. He ain't coached Alyxi. He
Speaker 3: needs I'm retired, done so, but you know they they
Speaker 3: did it. Okay to Miko. First year takes the play
Speaker 3: the Rams. Remember they high thirty four year old Sean McVay.
Speaker 3: I'll say it again, what are they doing? What are
Speaker 3: we doing? Sean McVay has got this team. They're about
Speaker 3: to win the division with all kinds of salary. He's
Speaker 3: won a super Bowl in Washington, d Q. They're the playoffs.
Speaker 3: The Buccaneers, Hi Todd Bowles. A lot of people about
Speaker 3: Todd Bowles could make the playoffs. Again, he's shown you
Speaker 3: that he is a dang good football coach. The Vikings
Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connor once again, I raised my head, what are
Speaker 3: you doing? He wouldn't call any players with the Rams.
Speaker 3: He was just there with McVay KAO see it good?
Speaker 3: Ain't good? They got Sam donald out there, got Sam
Speaker 3: Donalds out here. They might win the division this weekend.
Speaker 3: And then the Chargers Jim Harbaugh culture changers payoffs. So
Speaker 3: when we look here, we talk about just running it
Speaker 3: back with Mike mccarchthy other people who've gone on. Your
Speaker 3: job is to figure it out. I remember the last
Speaker 3: contract that Jerry gave Tony Romo. Jerry's basically saying, hey,
Speaker 3: look yeah, we're gonna sign Tony on the other option.
Speaker 3: You have to do it. I'm like, nah, man, it's
Speaker 3: your job to go find a quarterback. They did find
Speaker 3: a quarterback in Dak Prescott. So should we just be
Speaker 3: laying up, gentlemen, or should you just sit around here
Speaker 3: say hey, other people are finding answers. Are we going
Speaker 3: to get eighty one year old Jerry? I'm okay, let's
Speaker 3: try it again or do I go get forty seven
Speaker 3: year old bowl Jerry, I agree with it, And then
Speaker 3: I also look back and I say, outside of you know,
Speaker 3: the Eagles with Doug Peterson, and there may be some
Speaker 3: other ones that I can't think of, but I feel like.
Speaker 2: Those teams were were very, very bad.
Speaker 3: Like they were like it wasn't like they had three
Speaker 3: straight twelve and five seasons like McCarthy's had. Now I
Speaker 3: could be wrong about that, but and I just think
Speaker 3: it with that much success and what he's been able
Speaker 3: to do with these injuries going on, like the way
Speaker 3: he had these kept his team and contention, I think
Speaker 3: that's extremely tough to just that's going in a different direction.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of success that he's had.
Speaker 3: Your boy with the Chargers had a lot of talent.
Speaker 3: People are like, hey man, this is and Jim harboum
Speaker 3: ma any difference. That was a bad coach though, but
Speaker 3: they remember the time was it was he and besides
Speaker 3: you and they both made the playoffs. I mean he
Speaker 3: he had Okay, there were people who thought the team
Speaker 3: had had talent whatnot and okay, so that but Doug
Speaker 3: Peterson was super Bowl coach. Even the clock ran out
Speaker 3: on him. Where the man we're just we're gonna go
Speaker 3: do something different.
Speaker 4: There's the there's the philosophy, no risk it, no biscuit.
Speaker 4: My man came up with that. Yeah, and Tampa, I
Speaker 4: think when you're hiring a coach, that's that's risky business
Speaker 4: for these NFL owners and they want a guy that
Speaker 4: how very many they bring in. They want to find
Speaker 4: out with these guys football fundamental beliefs are And if
Speaker 4: you look at it like investment investing in companies, you
Speaker 4: got to do a technical analysis. How solid is the company?
Speaker 4: I mean stocks there, I mean how big is the company, directors,
Speaker 4: all of those different things that you before you invest
Speaker 4: your money in it. And if you are a young investor,
Speaker 4: you'll go for a pink sheet stock. I can lose
Speaker 4: my money game up whatever. But as you get older,
Speaker 4: that don't appeal to you. People with money ain't gonna
Speaker 4: throw away no money on a penny stock. They're gonna
Speaker 4: go to something that's more established. You look around the
Speaker 4: NFL and with all those names that you're talking about,
Speaker 4: who's winning super Bowls, it's the established coach, It's the
Speaker 4: Andy Reid, it's the guy that's been there done that,
Speaker 4: saw that a thousand times over. That a guy that
Speaker 4: has a system in place. And so look, I'll give
Speaker 4: you for every Sean McVay, you know, foreverly, Tomlin, for
Speaker 4: every coach that's out there that has gotten an opportunity.
Speaker 2: There are also the patents of the world. There are
Speaker 2: so many coach just to me that I just feel
Speaker 2: like right.
Speaker 4: Now to throw away a good one or to say
Speaker 4: I don't have anything in this guy, in this system
Speaker 4: that he's running, I think that's a mistake.
Speaker 3: You had that opportunity and you passed on it last
Speaker 3: year with Belichick. Belichick, Harball, even if he wanted to
Speaker 3: go ahead after twelve or five seasons bringing Sean Payton.
Speaker 3: Peyton would have taken a job. It was out there
Speaker 3: and available.
Speaker 4: But even you said that those coaches right there, they
Speaker 4: may not be the guys that can come in here
Speaker 4: in Dallas and deal with the front office.
Speaker 3: Right, You're right, But at the same time, heck, what
Speaker 3: I'm just saying nothing, think again, hold side of my
Speaker 3: mass thinking again, maybe my belief in do it again,
Speaker 3: run it back. This year proved that I was wrong.
Speaker 3: Maybe five years that's half a decade. Ye, five years
Speaker 3: Doug Peterson where Philly was like, they didn't give him
Speaker 3: five eight years after we'd super Bowl. The man, thank you,
Speaker 3: and then what they do got back to super Bowl. Man,
Speaker 3: let's go ahead change some things here and do something different.
Speaker 3: Remember where the Lions were when they got Dann Campbell. Man,
Speaker 3: that thing was bad between so you can find it.
Speaker 3: So why we say, man, get somebody stade. We're seeing
Speaker 3: some folks who necessarily Jimmy Johnson was not established. Man,
Speaker 3: you too young, but bore. Remember man, what they doing
Speaker 3: is hit from Arkansas. This guy a college coach. You
Speaker 3: can't run that system here. You got big people in
Speaker 3: the East, Philly and Washington, the Giants, and you try
Speaker 3: to win with these little dudes and speed and man,
Speaker 3: they changed the game. Old Jerry changed the game. Wild
Speaker 3: Cat Jerry Glory. Hold Jerry change the game. Now you're
Speaker 3: telling me, hey, man, you're gonna be safe. You're being safe.
Speaker 3: Scared money, don't make no money. You just trying to
Speaker 3: protect what you got. But what do you really have
Speaker 3: because you haven't won anything in thirty years.
Speaker 4: It's dumb money, that's smart money. And I'm telling you,
Speaker 4: I think my belief is Mike McCarthy. As you talk
Speaker 4: to you said, thirteenth or twelfth winning this coach amongst
Speaker 4: the street.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's to me, that's smart money. That's smart money.
Speaker 3: You know, you know he passed by the way. Who
Speaker 3: was tied with right before?
Speaker 10: What?
Speaker 2: Sean Paynton?
Speaker 3: No, who, Jeff Fisher?
Speaker 2: Oh god, damn that board right right.
Speaker 5: God.
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