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Speaker 3: Oh oh, it's it is to celebrate happy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, happy anniversary. Oh man, y'all just happen to stumble

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Speaker 4: onto one of those episodes We are very happy to

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Speaker 4: welcome on our special guests today. You know him from

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Speaker 4: Secret Base. He is at kofe wy on TikTok and

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Speaker 4: twitch kofe. We found our real life Pistons fan to

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Speaker 4: talk to. Thanks for coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: Man, dude, Thanks for having me. It's always going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the right Pistons.

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Speaker 5: Maybe. I hope that's what the people want.

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Speaker 1: Man, for sure, they always have always a fun time.

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Speaker 5: Yes, sir, good to have me on. Bro. I love

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Speaker 5: the background.

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Speaker 3: It looks like the mac Miller watching movies with the

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'm in I'm in a hotel room right now.

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Speaker 1: So I got it. I have the I have the

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Speaker 1: mobile set up.

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Speaker 6: Okay, what hotel bro?

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Speaker 2: I guess Damn John, calm down, bro, the red background, brother,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Look, how's the new year going for you? You know

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Speaker 3: that the Pistons ended twenty twenty three with the wind.

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Speaker 3: They left no delusions of how twenty twenty four was

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Speaker 3: gonna go and have it once since. So so where

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Speaker 3: are you at, like, you know, with the Pistons with you,

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Speaker 3: with your host for them for the new year and

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Speaker 3: the season and all that.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start off with the story Tyler. You

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Speaker 1: hit me up in like you DM me on December fourth,

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Speaker 1: being like, hey, when the Pistons break this losing streak,

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Speaker 1: you're going to be on our podcast. And what I

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Speaker 1: said was I will see you in February. But like

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Speaker 1: all jokes aside, it did take a month for get here.

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Speaker 1: It took an extra month, Like yeah, but I feel

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Speaker 1: like the win was like, it was cool. It was

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Speaker 1: We had five national TV games, sorry, four national TV games.

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Speaker 1: And I was expecting us to be like, Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not in Detroit. I live in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 4: many games did you, Like, were you really every game

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Speaker 4: every minute Pistons fan, Like you really suffered through the

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Speaker 3: I don't have the words, bro, what are what are

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Speaker 3: So what were like your expectations coming into this season.

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Speaker 1: I didn't really come into this season with win lost expectations.

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Speaker 2: Why are you still a Pistons fan? Like how did

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Speaker 6: And I think I think there's something you know.

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Speaker 2: It's really fun because they're they're I mean, I hate

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there's more like a spectacles just

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Speaker 4: You're not going to go to the Lakers game unless

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Speaker 1: At the end of last season, Troy Weaver wrote a

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Speaker 3: He went the motherfucking the Russell Westbrook with the pictures

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Speaker 5: This is the guy, right.

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Speaker 1: But to the but but to the MANI point. I

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about Mani for the job? And

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Speaker 6: And I think he's accepted that.

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Speaker 1: This roster has built still poorly in my opinion that

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Speaker 1: revisit it. And there's there's where there's where we're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: It's why you often see when you have a team

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Speaker 3: He's the highest.

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Speaker 3: Like like you know what I'm saying, like, like are

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Speaker 5: Fuck up man, Oh yeah, easily.

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, like I said, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: this is the worst bench in the league. But then

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00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 1: you also look at the coin and you're like, Alex,

437
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,440
Speaker 1: Alex Burke's paid thirty two minutes this game, and it's

438
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 1: like you'll look at it and it'll be like some

439
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 1: part frustrating with some part like I understand that he's

440
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 1: trying everything, and like I get it.

441
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 4: So I respect you the loyalty of you saying like

442
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,200
Speaker 4: you're just in it. Like you know, and you're you're

443
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 4: obviously like you said, the season's lost, et cetera, et cetera.

444
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 4: But my my question is, given that you're still clearly

445
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 4: tapped in, like what's the win? Like, what what are

446
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 4: you hoping for this season?

447
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 6: Is it just draft picks?

448
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 4: Is it like are you still thinking like, no, okay,

449
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 4: I want to see development from you know, these core

450
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 4: guys or whatever, Like what sort of like what is

451
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 4: there left to root for? I guess when you're already

452
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 4: is it just not going on a thirty game losing

453
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 4: streak now, Like, what what's the upside that you are

454
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 4: hoping for for the rest of the season.

455
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 1: I think the upside for me is like being able

456
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,880
Speaker 1: to watch kid watch Jalen Duran, watch Ivy when they

457
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: do have their good games, Like it's cool to be

458
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting to be like, hey, even through all

459
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 1: of this, you guys can still like have your good

460
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: games or still whatever. And as someone that loves K

461
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: cunning him and just you see all the tweets where

462
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: someone's like, yo, if K cunning Ham just had like

463
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: an inkling of more help and it's just like that

464
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 1: that like keeps me going a little bit because knowing

465
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: how special K Cunningham is. And I think that that's

466
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: probably one of the silver linings of this is because

467
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 1: now now that we had all this attention to the

468
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons, you guys, people were able to see truly

469
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: how good K Cunningham is. Even despite all of this,

470
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: I think that that was a that's a good like

471
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: that's a win for me, honestly, and again again, the

472
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 1: season was never I keep saying that this season wasn't

473
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 1: about wins and losses. I didn't expect for it to

474
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 1: be like three and thirty, right, I was expecting it

475
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: to be like maybe like yeah, fifteen to twenty. But

476
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,199
Speaker 1: seeing the young guys or is kay Duran or like

477
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: whatever the core is seeing Ivy, whether something is different

478
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: about them from year, like the beginning of the season

479
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 1: to the end of the season. That's finally me because

480
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: this season we weren't supposed to I'm not wasn't expecting

481
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: like a plan. I'm like the Pistons, the Pistons fan

482
00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: we have seen that like being mid for like way

483
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: too long. But you know where it's like maybe maybe

484
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: this team could win forty two games, and you're like

485
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: why are we doing this? And then we get the

486
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: eighth to twelfth pick, and then we smoked the pick,

487
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 1: and then we're back in the same place. You know,

488
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: I'd rather like it was cool. It was so cool

489
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: seeing us get the number one pick for the first

490
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: time since I think Bob the year, Right, So it

491
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: was cool when we got that pick and was like, hey,

492
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: we're actually like doing the seller build it back up

493
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: then just like staying back, like, I don't think we

494
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: should blow it up. Maybe one more season. I can't.

495
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: I couldn't do that anymore.

496
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 4: You have to feel like the lottery is bullshit though, correct,

497
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 4: You're like, if, like if we said the longest losing

498
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 4: streak in NBA history, don't give us the fucking number

499
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 4: six pick.

500
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Speaker 5: Like I think that.

501
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: Look, I think that our season last year was a

502
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: great lesson of Hey, just because the mock draft has

503
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: you at number one for the entire season doesn't mean

504
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: like the lottery was built. The lottery was built for

505
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: this purpose, right, And does it suck that we didn't

506
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: get Wemby? Yes, But like at the same time, you

507
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: it would be it would be very foolish to just

508
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: assume that because your team is the worst that it's

509
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,479
Speaker 1: going to turn around and you're gonna get that one player.

510
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: Because the Bobcats did it. They they won seven games

511
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: and missed out on Anthony Davis. You know, like that's

512
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: that's like, I think the missing out on Anthony Davis

513
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: part hurts more than the seven wins. That's in my opinion,

514
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: Like if the missing out on Wemby hurts more than

515
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: the seventeen wins that season in my opinion, honestly absolutely.

516
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Speaker 3: Yeah, going going back to like you know what John

517
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 3: said earlier when he was like, why haven't you hopped off?

518
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: And someone who has rooted for shitty teams in a

519
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 3: former life before I decided to, you know, do some

520
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: self care and take care of my mental hair. The

521
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 3: terrible years where you know there is no hope at all,

522
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 3: where you know you're gonna stink it up, but like

523
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 3: those have were always the most fun where you are like, Okay,

524
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 3: we're not gonna do shit this year. Let's find some

525
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: type of joy somewhere. Let's let's find some joy, some laughs,

526
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 3: or something to look forward to. It's the years where

527
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: you're winning thirty five games, you're missing the playoffs, and

528
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 3: you get the sixteenth pick or whatever. Those are the

529
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: years that are You're like, what the fuck was this even?

530
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: Four? Like?

531
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Speaker 5: Is that how you feel?

532
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 6: Free?

533
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: Stress free?

534
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 4: Now?

535
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: I think that this a lot of these wins, a

536
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: lot of these sorry, a lot of these losses were

537
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: closer than I expected, right, Like there's a there's a

538
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: chart I think where the Pistons had like twelve they've

539
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: had like twelve first quarter leads or something like that,

540
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: And it was really weird seeing like all of his

541
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: hope throughout all these games, like the Pistons, Like a

542
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: losing streak is bad when there's hope involved, Like when

543
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: you when you think when you go into the fourth

544
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: quarter being like, oh it's a five point game, that's

545
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: worse then like the times where you faced him, beat

546
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: and then lost by like thirty two, that's better. I

547
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: can show the laptop off, I could go play some

548
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 1: PS five like I yes, but now now that I

549
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: have to walk in and spend more time, you know

550
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: all that that's that's the more like stressful part about it.

551
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: And there's something beautiful about bad NBA basketball from a

552
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: bad team when it's fun. When when the rock when

553
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, the Rockets were bad However, you got

554
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: this Jalen Green top ten like play like this is

555
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: like two seasons ago like that, like that is something

556
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: at least to take away from it. But some of

557
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: a lot of these losses have been like, dude, this

558
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: is where this is bad. And we also lead the team.

559
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: We also leave the league in turnovers, and we also

560
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: take and make the least threes, and we also foul

561
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: the most, Like they're just like there's so many other

562
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: elements of basketball that like just you're just like just

563
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: like drains you.

564
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 3: That's that's what I want, right, Yeah, yeah, Like you know,

565
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: of course the Pistons are shitty, but I can imagine that.

566
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: You know, having Kate as your franchise player is fun,

567
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Because because we've seen like

568
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: the Bobcats be terrible and Gerald Wallace was their best player.

569
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 3: How the fuck are you depending on Gerald Wallace to

570
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: fucking rescue you? You know what I'm saying, Like that

571
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: is not some shit that I can you know, ever

572
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: like see myself getting behind. But Kate, like right, like

573
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: this this season is a wash.

574
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 5: We all know that. But the future is right for

575
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 5: that kid.

576
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that we know the Pistons, know what

577
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: players that were like like Pistons fans like are like

578
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: kind of on board about the players that we should

579
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: like keep, which is fine. It's good to have that

580
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: instead of like us arguing over that. I'm glad that

581
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: we're usually on the same page for that.

582
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 3: And you know something that that has impressed me is

583
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 3: this team still has fighting them Like I you know,

584
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: I saw the Nets game where they lost that heartbreaker

585
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: on that force turnover by Bridges. You know, fucking Kate

586
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: left it all out there at like forty two, nine

587
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 3: to five or some shit they ca Yeah, then they

588
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: came back the next game, the Celtics Celtics game hopped

589
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: out to a twenty point lead, right, like, still have

590
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 3: fight bluedat and you know what I'm saying. And then

591
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 3: we had the fucking you know the game last night

592
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: versus Utah where Burke hit one of these shots of

593
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: the season to send that shit in the overtime. Right,

594
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, what are you taking away

595
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 3: from that that even though they're terrible, like, you know,

596
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: there's still some fight there.

597
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 5: Which is something that you know you can at least

598
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 5: come ind them all.

599
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: I think that they've always had that fight, but for

600
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: the first half of losing streak, I think there was

601
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: something about their body language where I saw someone tweet

602
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: it out, but it was like during that stretch, all

603
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: you needed to do to beat the Pistons was like

604
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: play three minutes of serious basketball, because in terms of

605
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: like them going on a run, like if a team

606
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: like hunkered down really was just like going on a run,

607
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: the Pistons would get in their own head and then

608
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: like play themselves out of the game. That's how it

609
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: was for a little bit. But then there's just like

610
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: a corner turn. I can't really like bookmark when I

611
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: can't really like point it out. I think the corner

612
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: turn when Kate was like, we're not we're not a

613
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen when Kate said that. I think when

614
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: Kate was like, we're not two and twenty sixteen, We're

615
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: not this bad, and people were like, yeah, your record

616
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: says that. But I also understood Kate being like, we're

617
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: better than this and we're gonna try our best to

618
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: prove it. And I think that that kind of that fight.

619
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: Also them staying with the Celtics for that long, even

620
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: though we didn't win that game, and Kate afterward was like, hey,

621
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: we could like and when we play our best, we

622
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: could like this is this could be the result, Like

623
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: we're not like just a roll over and get killed team.

624
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 1: But like the first half of losing streak, they were

625
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: they were it was bad.

626
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: We spoke to that how we thought it looked like

627
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: they didn't care. It looked like they had given up,

628
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: you know, until he said until Kate said that. But yeah,

629
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: I think around that time, Yeah, it seemed like they

630
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: started to turn it around, and we saw them fighting

631
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: in the games that Tyler mentioned, but at the point

632
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: where it seemed like that body language was messed up

633
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: and you may have cared more than they even cared

634
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: it scene. How did that feel as a fan? You know,

635
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: watching that and it's a long time fan, you feel me.

636
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: It there was there's as a fan, I realized that

637
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm entitled to nothing right, there's nothing like I can

638
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: I can be as many such.

639
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 6: A healthy relationship.

640
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: This is why you were able to stay with them

641
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: for twenty years.

642
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 6: I get it.

643
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I want, but at the end of the day,

644
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: it's not about me. But and I had to think

645
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: about it. I had to take a step back and

646
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: was like, I looked I probably looked at the roster

647
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: and was like, this is probably the most games that

648
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: they've lost in a row ever, like in their career,

649
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: Like imagine, imagine you played at Mount Verd. I think

650
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: they went undefeated.

651
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 4: That Yeah, there's no there's no NBA players on AAU

652
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 4: teams that lose fifteen games in a row.

653
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Speaker 1: Yes, right, So I so, on top of on top

654
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Speaker 1: of it being frustrating, I feel like for a lot

655
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: of these players, it's probably also new territory.

656
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Speaker 4: So a lot of.

657
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: Them I could I could understand. Again, I'm not gonna

658
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: like generalize or be like they're probably, but I could

659
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: understand if you are fifteen, or if you if you

660
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: went to if you got to Halloween without a win

661
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: and got to Thanksgiving without a win, Right, I could

662
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: understand being frustrated but also feeling the sense of like,

663
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: hey man, night in and night out, we're trying our

664
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: best and it still is not It's still not enough.

665
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: I can understand how that gets to.

666
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: Like a team, you're navigating new spaces mentally and emotionally,

667
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: probably that you've never experienced as one of the best

668
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: in the world in what you do.

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Speaker 6: That makes sense.

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00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: Two months of playing basketball without a win. I could

671
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: not imagine imagine anything like as a professional basketball player, right,

672
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: I could not.

673
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 3: I can't imagine doing anything twenty times in a row

674
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: and not the desired result.

675
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: I would I want to quit, probably double digits, Like

676
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: get to twelve and you get it's like all right, man,

677
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: Like I mean, they're getting pain to keep playing.

678
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: But if I went over twenty seven in baseball, I'm

679
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: quitting the league. Like as a kid, as a week, ye,

680
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: as a kid. I remember I got to seventh grade

681
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: and I had I went over twenty seven. I was like,

682
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: that's a that's a lot of my parents driving me

683
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 1: back and forth for no results. I was like, let

684
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: me just cut my losses.

685
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 6: There you went, you went over twenty seven.

686
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

687
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: I was like, let's try something else, because because this

688
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: is when, this is when, this is when, like this

689
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: is when the pictures like you you ever remember the.

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Speaker 5: Bad What grade was this? What grade was this?

691
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Speaker 6: You said, seventh grade?

692
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: Sixth seventh grade? Yeah, you remember the batting?

693
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: Oh so this is like you said, yeah, you were

694
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: born in ninety five. This is like the Barry Bonds

695
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: peak right around that time.

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00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, baseball was my first slate, Like that's my

697
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: first Like if I wanted, if I wanted to, if

698
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: I could have played, like the professional school would have been

699
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: like baseball for sure.

700
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: Also, seventh grade is when kids start to get good.

701
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: You start start standing out, and you start seeing like

702
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: if you have it or if you don't, you know

703
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: what I mean.

704
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: There was a there was a batting cage in North Carolina.

705
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: It's called a Grand Slam in USA, and they had

706
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this. There's three batting cages. One was

707
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: thirty five miles prour, Right, that's that's light work, that's easy, right.

708
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: Two fifty five miles pro it's a little bit tougher,

709
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: but like it's not. It's like the average like, okay,

710
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: you're fine, Like you just gotta buckle down. The third

711
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,239
Speaker 1: cage seventy five miles p hour. I get into that

712
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: third cage as like a sixth grader, and I'm just

713
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: like like, and I know it's a machine, so it's

714
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: not going to hit me in the head. The same time,

715
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh.

716
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 5: Fuck, this is scary.

717
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 6: This is scary. You know what.

718
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 4: The guy I coached my kids baseball team with he

719
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 4: had the almost the same story where he was like

720
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 4: he's from the Bay Area. It was when it was

721
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 4: the Barry Bonds era. He was like an All city,

722
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 4: all district level, like he was a really good youth player.

723
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: And then and they did an all Star tournament and

724
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: they faced their first pitcher who really had command and velocity,

725
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 4: and he said he's and he was like, I've struck

726
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 4: out twice a whole year, And he struck me out

727
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 4: three times in that game. And by the time I

728
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: got back to my parents' car, I was like, I

729
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 4: don't got it, Like I don't like I'm looking at

730
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 4: what this dude's doing and I'm like, I can't even

731
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 4: conceive of hitting the baseball right now.

732
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: Also one thing about that too, is like the pictures

733
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: get taller, you know what I'm saying. So you got

734
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 2: a picture that's like six foot throwing down from that mound.

735
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: I'm left handed, he's left handed. He's throwing that ball

736
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: from behind my back. Nigga, to let that motherfucker go.

737
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: That feel a little different when it's coming in seventy

738
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Speaker 2: five miles an hour. Then when it was you know

739
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Then when a dude that may be

740
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: shorter than me is throwing that shit in forty five,

741
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: fifty sixty. You know what I'm saying, Cause you get

742
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: you fuck around, get hit by that nigga, that shit

743
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: in the back.

744
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 6: It's you know what I mean, You're gonna feel that

745
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 6: three ays. I love it's it's a little different.

746
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 4: I love Kobe's idea that the pit should try something different.

747
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 4: It was then it was like they get to twenty

748
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 4: six losses, like maybe it's baseball, you know, maybe it's soccer.

749
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Speaker 6: I don't know, might be cold and outfielder, centerfielder.

750
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: You know, I'd be in that locker room staring.

751
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 5: It's time for Jazz Fellas.

752
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 3: Detroit record Ball.

753
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: I think that just goes to show how like strong

754
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: willed these players are to be able to because I

755
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: know that MANI was talking about how like spirits were

756
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: still high, like on a day and day out the

757
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: basis they're they're better than me.

758
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 5: Man, that's a lie. Aint no coach. Everybody meant that

759
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 5: they lost the hand with those comments.

760
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: I like to think that though I like to I

761
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: like to imagine that they all right.

762
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: My last question, Tyler, there was actually a question for Tyler, Tyler,

763
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 4: do you want to give else? Pitched to Kofe on

764
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 4: how much happier life is when you leave a terrible

765
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 4: team behind, or do you respect his decision to remain

766
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 4: loyal to listen?

767
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 5: I follow kofe.

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00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: Kobe is one of my favorite fucking followers for years,

769
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 3: been one of my favorite followers for years, And Bro, like,

770
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 3: he's having fun with this ship and that's exactly what

771
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 3: you should do. Like there is no light at the

772
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 3: end of this tunnel, so fuck it, you know what

773
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,959
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like, like dance in the darkness, you feel

774
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: me like, and that's exactly what my man is doing. Man,

775
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: So I don't I'm not even going to impart any

776
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: you know, just you know, hang it up. Life's better

777
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: stress free because kofee seems to have a good grip

778
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: on this ship.

779
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: And I was people kept people kept testing me and

780
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: like dming me, Hey you okay.

781
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 5: I'm like concerned for you.

782
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: Bro, I'm like, yeah, this is fine.

783
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 5: This is chill.

784
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: He looked. I'm like, I love my job and I

785
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: love what I'm able to do like this ain't like

786
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm cool.

787
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 5: People here, you with it?

788
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 4: Just if you ever need to talk.

789
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 5: I'm here for you.

790
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 6: I got hit with that.

791
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I'm good bro. At the end of

792
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: the day, this is easily one of the this is history,

793
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: like again, yeah.

794
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 5: This is the season you're never gonna forget, right, Yeah.

795
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 5: And I'm be like, like.

796
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: You might forget that twenty fifteen season, like what the

797
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: fuck is your working then?

798
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 5: But you're never gonna forget this ship.

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00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm never I'm never gonna forget this and I'm never

800
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: gonna forget playing Greg Monroe, Josh Smith and Andre Drummond

801
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: all at the same time. I'll never forget that. We

802
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: all got that for that's forever.

803
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 5: I need to hear more about that. How did that go? Bro?

804
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: I love here, I love like you know on the

805
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: same shit j'all talking about when you realize there's a

806
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 3: difference between you know, regular dudes and guys who are

807
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: those guys like out of that one go?

808
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: You know? So you know that original you know that.

809
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: So the tweets where I have that banner where it's

810
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: a Pistons banner, but then I changed the like the

811
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: words on it. Yeah, So that was a bit the

812
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: entire the entire losing streak where it's like, Yo, we

813
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: lost by a single day and I put that on

814
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 1: the banner and I'm like hanging up, like we good.

815
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: Like I kept doing that for every loss. Do you

816
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: know what the original words on that meme are? What

817
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: waved Josh Smith? As the original as the original meme

818
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: from it's the banner and someone and there's like everybody

819
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: looking at the rafters being like, hey, we waved Josh Smith.

820
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: That's how that went, and that we then not only that,

821
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: I think we waved Josh Smith and then like won

822
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: eight games in a row. That was one of the

823
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: lot ofest things I've ever seen.

824
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 6: I was like, Yo, that's truly hilarious.

825
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 4: All right, Well, like I said, you can find him

826
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 4: on Secret Base. You can find him at kobe Y

827
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 4: on TikTok and twitch Hope. Thank you so much for

828
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 4: taking the time. Best of luck with the rest of

829
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 4: the Piston season.

830
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 5: We appreciate you.

831
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: Hopping on and thank you for having me. I appreciate

832
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: this is a lot of fun, for sure.

833
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 5: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: The volume