WEBVTT - Why Anthony Davis is #10 in my NBA player rankings | Dallas Mavericks

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<v Speaker 1>The volume. All right, welcome to him tonight here at

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<v Speaker 1>the Volume. Happy Monday, everybody, Oh all of you guys

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<v Speaker 1>had a great weekend. We are starting the top ten

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<v Speaker 1>of our player rankings today with number ten Anthony Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>going to do a very deep dive into ad some

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<v Speaker 1>of the ups and downs of his career with relation

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<v Speaker 1>to health, also with relation to his skill development. I

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<v Speaker 1>even want to zoom out a little bit towards the

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<v Speaker 1>end and talk about his perception of the center position

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<v Speaker 1>versus the power forward position in some of the strengths

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<v Speaker 1>and weaknesses of that approach, and some of the things

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<v Speaker 1>we got to keep an eye out for him with

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<v Speaker 1>the Dallas Mavericks in that regard. And then at the

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<v Speaker 1>tail end of the show, one of the things we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to start doing, since we're only doing one player

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<v Speaker 1>at a time from this point forward, is we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to start hitting some bigger picture basketball debate types of topic.

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<v Speaker 1>And today we're actually going to start with one that

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<v Speaker 1>was a raging debate online last week while while I

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<v Speaker 1>was in Alaska, and I give you guys just a

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<v Speaker 1>very quick, kind of like thirty thousand foot version of

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion. But I wanted to kind of dive deeper

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<v Speaker 1>into the concept, and it's about two basketball players, one

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<v Speaker 1>of which is a champion, one of which is not. However,

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<v Speaker 1>the player who's not a champion is a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>I view as the better basketball player, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of dive into that concept. It's Kyrie Irving

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<v Speaker 1>versus Chris Paul and who I think is a better

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<v Speaker 1>basketball player at their absolute peak. So we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>dive into that at the tail end of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>this series. All right, let's talk some basketball. So number ten,

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Davis, as last season in review, played in just

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one games. We're going to talk about ad and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of his history with health here in a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Came out guns blazing to start the year, as he

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<v Speaker 1>was very heavily featured in JJ Redick's offense early in

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<v Speaker 1>the season. In his first twenty five games, he averaged

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<v Speaker 1>a super efficient twenty eight points per game to go

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<v Speaker 1>with three point two steels plus blocks per game. He

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<v Speaker 1>was legit playing at that top tier superstar level to

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<v Speaker 1>start the season. Then he got a little banged up.

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<v Speaker 1>You're starting to deal with a couple of nagging injuries,

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<v Speaker 1>and he slowed down pretty significantly after that point. He

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<v Speaker 1>averaged just twenty three points per game on lower efficiency

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<v Speaker 1>over his final seventeen games as a Laker. Also, as

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<v Speaker 1>he started to not perform as well on offense, he

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<v Speaker 1>started to become less and less featured in the offense,

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<v Speaker 1>which seemed to take him even further out of rhythm.

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<v Speaker 1>It just was starting to look like more or less

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<v Speaker 1>the offensive player that we had seen in previous seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>But he did come out guns blazing to start the year,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he ended up finally succumbing to a groin

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<v Speaker 1>injury which kept him out the majority of the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the season. He ended up playing just nine games

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<v Speaker 1>as a Dallas Maverick after the Lukadancics trade. Finished the

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<v Speaker 1>year in the total of the fifty one games at

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five points, twelve rebounds in four assists, three point

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<v Speaker 1>four stocks per game, and his percentages fifty four percent

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<v Speaker 1>from the field, twenty eight percent from three to seventy

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<v Speaker 1>eight percent from the line, which amounts to fifty four

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<v Speaker 1>percent an effective field goal percentage waited for threes and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty nine percent in true shooting. This is where I

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<v Speaker 1>want to start in the health arena for just a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's always an important context with AD. Eighty has

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty low, large gap between what his potential ceiling

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<v Speaker 1>is and what his potential floor is relative to some

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<v Speaker 1>of these guys, Like there's a case to be made

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<v Speaker 1>that he belongs in that Kawhi Leonard Joel Embard grouping

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<v Speaker 1>closer to the bottom of this tier. I disagree because

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's considerably more reliable than those two guys.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are going to be people who disagree with

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<v Speaker 1>this ranking based on the idea that Ad is not

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<v Speaker 1>healthy enough, and there is some legitimacy to that argument.

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<v Speaker 1>I was hopeful as a Lakers fan that after that

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four season, which if you remember, that was

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<v Speaker 1>a return to form for Ad from the standpoint of

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<v Speaker 1>his health. He played in seventy six games. He made

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<v Speaker 1>the All NBA team second Team All NBA, which was

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<v Speaker 1>his first time making an All NBA team since the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty season when they won the title, And so

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like, is this gonna be the segment of

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<v Speaker 1>AD's career where he kind of figures out the health

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and he starts to be more available and he

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<v Speaker 1>just couldn't in the following season, goes for fifty one game,

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<v Speaker 1>suffers a growing injury soft tissue injury pretty simp similar

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<v Speaker 1>to some of the injuries he had had early in

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in his Lakers tenure. So if you zoom out

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<v Speaker 1>in the four seasons surrounding Anthony Davis's seventy six game

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<v Speaker 1>All NBA season, he averages forty six games played, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six games in twenty twenty one, forty games in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, fifty six and twenty twenty three, and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>one in twenty twenty five. So now when I look

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<v Speaker 1>at him relative to the Mbat Kawhi tier, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>Joel Embiid and Kawhi are both dealing with severe degenerative

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<v Speaker 1>issues in their knees, issues that have completely dominated this

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<v Speaker 1>phase of their careers and have been recurring in the

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<v Speaker 1>same knee, and that makes them, in my opinion, significantly

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<v Speaker 1>less reliable than an Anthony Davis who's just been dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with some soft tissue related injuries and for the most

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<v Speaker 1>part doesn't have any sort of big glaring like ooh

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<v Speaker 1>that part of his body is likely to break down

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<v Speaker 1>this season, So I think he's a little bit safer

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<v Speaker 1>that and then another part of it is the motivation

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<v Speaker 1>element with him being involved in the Luka Danchitz trade,

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<v Speaker 1>which we'll get to in a little bit. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's been a combination of three factors that have

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<v Speaker 1>led to Anthony Davis's health issues. First of all, luck,

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<v Speaker 1>like it or not, there is some kind of ethereal

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<v Speaker 1>injury luck factor that's at play that affects all athletes.

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<v Speaker 1>Some dudes just break down more, and it's not because

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<v Speaker 1>of anything they're doing. It's just something that exists there,

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<v Speaker 1>that injury prone factor, and AD is certainly one of

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<v Speaker 1>those dudes who just happens to get hurt more than

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<v Speaker 1>some of his peers. Secondly, conditioning, AD deserves some of

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<v Speaker 1>the blame with respect to his injury history because it's

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<v Speaker 1>been widely reported that, especially in the few years after

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<v Speaker 1>they won the title, AD would show up to camp

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<v Speaker 1>out of shape, it would take long stretches of the

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<v Speaker 1>summer off, and it led to a situation where he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't as well conditioned to start seasons as some of

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<v Speaker 1>his peers at the top of the league, and that

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<v Speaker 1>certainly didn't help matters with his health. Right if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at it as like a spectrum of possible outcomes

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<v Speaker 1>within the regard or within the range of his injury

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<v Speaker 1>prone nature. He's been tilting more towards the injured size

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<v Speaker 1>a side of it in large part, I shouldn't say,

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<v Speaker 1>in large part partially because of the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't come into these seasons in as good as shape

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<v Speaker 1>as he could have come in. Lastly, he put on

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<v Speaker 1>an insane amount of muscle. This is a concept we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk a lot about today with Ad, which

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was a miscalculation on his part in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of his development. The reason why is it flat out

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<v Speaker 1>came at the expense of his foot speed. We've all

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<v Speaker 1>seen the videos. When a video pops up of Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Davis playing basketball in that twenty twenty season, doesn't even

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<v Speaker 1>look like the same guy. He looks considerably thinner, He

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<v Speaker 1>was moving considerably better, and it made him a more

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic player in a bunch of different ways. AD got

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<v Speaker 1>shoved around in a couple of matchups, especially when he

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<v Speaker 1>was playing center during that phase of his career, in

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<v Speaker 1>that twenty twenty twenty twenty one stage, and so he

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<v Speaker 1>decided he needed to bulk up, and I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was a classic example of over indexing on addressing a

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<v Speaker 1>weakness rather than leaning into your strengths. That's not to

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<v Speaker 1>say that you don't want to address your weakness, as

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<v Speaker 1>certainly Ad should have put on some muscle, as every

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<v Speaker 1>super thin player that comes into the league should. As

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about Victor wemb Minyama, he'll face a similar

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<v Speaker 1>decision in his career how much should he bulk up.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly needs to bulk up some, but he doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to bulk up so much that it comes at the

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<v Speaker 1>expense of his speed, which is the thing at his

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<v Speaker 1>size that makes him such a transcendently great athlete. And

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<v Speaker 1>what happened was is eighty's newfound muscle mass really wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>helping him win as many physical battles as you'd think.

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<v Speaker 1>Basketball is every bit is much about leverage and angles

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<v Speaker 1>as it is about just pure strength and muscle mass.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a big part of why I've been gravitating

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<v Speaker 1>towards those like shorter, stockier wings over some of the longer,

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<v Speaker 1>lankier wings, because it doesn't really like length is of

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<v Speaker 1>the highest factor at the rim. It certainly helps on

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<v Speaker 1>the perimeter when you're contesting shots I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>pretend it doesn't, but it has its largest impact on

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<v Speaker 1>the game at the rim. And if you can win

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<v Speaker 1>battles on the ground as a stocky athlete on the perimeter,

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<v Speaker 1>that can prevent guys from even getting past you. That

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<v Speaker 1>carries a lot of value in the league and prevents

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<v Speaker 1>some of that length at the rim from being as

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<v Speaker 1>much of a factor. That's why I gravitate towards some

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<v Speaker 1>of those shorter, stockier wings, right, And that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like eighty put on all this muscle, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>still in the last few years would get bullied by

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<v Speaker 1>jokicch and bullied by Sabonis at times, although he won

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<v Speaker 1>that battle a couple times last year. Or like even

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<v Speaker 1>guys like use of Nrkic sometimes would bury him on

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<v Speaker 1>the offensive glass. Zubats gave him a lot of issues

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<v Speaker 1>on the offensive glass. And then the problem was is

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<v Speaker 1>even though he had all this muscle and he's still

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<v Speaker 1>kind of struggling with some of these bigger centers, he

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<v Speaker 1>also at the same time was not as capable of

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<v Speaker 1>punishing those guys with his speed because he wasn't as

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<v Speaker 1>fast as he used to be, and he lost a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that in the pursuit of that muscle mass,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean you got to factor that in with

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<v Speaker 1>the injuries as well, Like it made him heavier, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you're heavier, your lower body's going to struggle to

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<v Speaker 1>hold up under the wear and tear of moving your

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<v Speaker 1>body around. And so really, as we zoom out, the

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<v Speaker 1>injuries have been the thing that has prevented Ad from

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<v Speaker 1>reaching his individual ceiling, his ultimate potential, which was like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a version of AD's career where he's healthier and

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<v Speaker 1>he's thinner, and he holds up more, which allows him

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the gym more, which allows him to

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<v Speaker 1>develop more in terms of his skill set, which allows

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<v Speaker 1>him to build more of a rhythm in the season

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<v Speaker 1>and develop into something closer to the Yahnesses of the

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<v Speaker 1>world and the hyper versatile bigs that ranked above him

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<v Speaker 1>on this list that Joel emb when he was healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, there's a version of eighty's career where he

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<v Speaker 1>had better health luck, and he too took a different

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<v Speaker 1>approach in terms of how he built his body, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he was a more skilled player that reached higher heights.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do think all of those factors played a

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<v Speaker 1>role in his injury history earlier in his career, so

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<v Speaker 1>I have him in the top ten, ahead of guys

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<v Speaker 1>like Kevin Durant and Donovan Mitchell. The question is why

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<v Speaker 1>the rivalries, the marching bands, the upsets. Saturday's just got

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<v Speaker 1>see DKG dot co, slash audio. I'm obviously a huge

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<v Speaker 1>believer in Anthony Davis's impact on basketball games. That goes

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<v Speaker 1>without saying. Anybody who's listened to the show over the

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<v Speaker 1>last few years knows I'm a huge believer in eighty,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also extends into what I believe will be

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<v Speaker 1>a revenge campaign from him. This year, both Anthony Davis

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<v Speaker 1>and Luka Doncic will be ranked on this list higher,

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<v Speaker 1>much higher than what their previous seasons justify. Ad has

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<v Speaker 1>no case to be a top ten player based solely

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<v Speaker 1>on last season, and Luka Doncic has no case to

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<v Speaker 1>be a top five player based solely on last season.

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<v Speaker 1>But we've already seen a completely different looking Luca in

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<v Speaker 1>a game with Salave against Germany. There were three moves

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<v Speaker 1>in particular, a euro step, a move driving a close out,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was one more. I can't remember exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>it was. I think it was just like a jab

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<v Speaker 1>step behind the back, dribble off the right wing in

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<v Speaker 1>the first half. But he had three moves in that

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<v Speaker 1>game where I was like, that's a different guy. He's

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<v Speaker 1>moving at a completely different speed than he moved in

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<v Speaker 1>the past. Why Because he got embarrassed by the maps,

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<v Speaker 1>completely embarrassed by the maps, and he's super pissed off,

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<v Speaker 1>and he lost a bunch of weight and now he's

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<v Speaker 1>on a mission to prove everybody wrong. And as we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking towards next season, I'm factoring that in same goes

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<v Speaker 1>for Ad, AD was similarly embarrassed. He was basically shipped

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<v Speaker 1>off as trade filler in the dead of night. It

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<v Speaker 1>was unprecedented for a Lakers star. It's unprecedented in the

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<v Speaker 1>entire NBA. It was the craziest trade in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of the MBA. How often do you see a superstar,

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<v Speaker 1>not DeMar Derozen getting traded for Kawhi, but a superstar

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<v Speaker 1>that gets moved in person of a better player in

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<v Speaker 1>his prime because the team wanted the even better player.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so rare, and so Ad has been similarly embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he wants to prove everyone wrong. I do

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<v Speaker 1>think we will see Ad come into training camp in

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<v Speaker 1>great shape relative to previous seasons from him, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think will lead to him having a healthier season by

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<v Speaker 1>his standards, which I think will have him in better

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<v Speaker 1>rhythm in most of these games, which will allow him

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<v Speaker 1>to show more of his offensive upside, which we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about in a bit. That's really what separated

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<v Speaker 1>him from that top tier. When Ad is a reliable

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight point per game score, the guy that you

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<v Speaker 1>saw in the bubble, that guy's a top tier superstar.

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<v Speaker 1>When he's not. When he's in the low twenties and

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<v Speaker 1>he's more inconsistent offensively, that's when he's more of that

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<v Speaker 1>second tier star like we have in this particular list.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I actually look at AD and the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why I put him at ten is I think we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to get one of the better seasons from

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<v Speaker 1>AD out of this phase of his prime. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>big part of why I ranked him where I ranked him. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about AD as a basketball player. Rather than

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<v Speaker 1>looking at his injury history and in the big picture,

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<v Speaker 1>let's zoom in on his basketball traits and what sets

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<v Speaker 1>him apart from his peers. We have to start with

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<v Speaker 1>defense for AD, because that's his calling card. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>similar range of outcomes for AD as a defender centering

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<v Speaker 1>around his health. Because of his foot speed. Even the

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<v Speaker 1>lesser foot speed version of AD has a really high

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<v Speaker 1>floor as a perimeter defender. It's not the same guy

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<v Speaker 1>from New Orleans, not the same guy from like twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>but healthy Ad, even bigger, bulky, healthy Ad has real

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<v Speaker 1>footspeed on the perimeter relative to his position, which brings

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of upside. But as we talked about there's

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<v Speaker 1>like these banged up versions of Ad, like that second

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<v Speaker 1>chunk of last season with the Lakers or what you

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<v Speaker 1>saw with Dallas, where it's like that's a d but

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<v Speaker 1>he's clearly not moving very well even by his big

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<v Speaker 1>bulky standards. Right. But what's crazy with Ad, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a big part of why I have him this high,

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<v Speaker 1>is even lumbering Ad, even big bulky Ad that's out

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<v Speaker 1>of shape and is just coming back from an injury.

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<v Speaker 1>Even that guy has an incredibly high floor as a

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<v Speaker 1>defensive player, and it starts with the shot blocking. Has

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<v Speaker 1>a standing reach over nine feet, he has good leaping ability,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has outrageous natural defensive instincts. He can anticipate

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<v Speaker 1>what offensive players are going to do around the rim,

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<v Speaker 1>guessing release points where they're going for layups. And as

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<v Speaker 1>a result, even while constantly battling injury issues for the

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<v Speaker 1>last five years and carrying all that extra weight, even

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<v Speaker 1>with that, he still averaged two point one blocks per

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<v Speaker 1>game over that five year span that we were referencing earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>He was consistently banged up. Now, as we know, the younger,

0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:08.359
<v Speaker 1>faster AD averaged two point five blocks per game for

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<v Speaker 1>the seven seasons previous. Obviously, he can get to a

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<v Speaker 1>higher level there. Even when he's healthy in rhythm, When

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<v Speaker 1>he plays game after game after game after game, and

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<v Speaker 1>he drops some of the excess weight he's carrying and

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<v Speaker 1>he's in good shape, he can go on runs. He

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<v Speaker 1>had a stretch five games last year with the Lakers

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<v Speaker 1>where he averaged three point six blocks per game over

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<v Speaker 1>a five game stretch. He can still get there. But

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<v Speaker 1>the point is his floor is an outrageously good shot

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<v Speaker 1>blocker and rim protector. He does it without committing fouls.

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<v Speaker 1>He does it without giving up too many unnecessary offensive

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<v Speaker 1>rebounds by chasing stupid shots that he has no chance

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<v Speaker 1>of blocking. He is a rock solid, foundational rim protector

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<v Speaker 1>in this league, even when he's banged up. He's also

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<v Speaker 1>an excellent defensive rebounder, a career eleven rebounds per game

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<v Speaker 1>in twelve point three rebouls game. Over his last three seasons,

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<v Speaker 1>he led the entire league in rebounding in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>He was third in rebounding in twenty twenty four, and

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<v Speaker 1>even the banged up version of Anthony Davis last year

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<v Speaker 1>was seventh in overall rebounding. He has had occasional issues

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<v Speaker 1>giving up certain types of offensive rebounds on like Duccans

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<v Speaker 1>to certain types of centers, so guys like Zubat's so

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<v Speaker 1>Bonis yokicch even Nurkic sometimes like we talked about, But

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<v Speaker 1>even factoring in that down mark, there's no way to

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<v Speaker 1>look at Anthony Davis as anything other than a monster

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<v Speaker 1>rebounder and one of the very best rebounders in the

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<v Speaker 1>entire NBA. And that's part of the appeal for a

0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.920
<v Speaker 1>player like Anthony Davis on a list like this, his

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<v Speaker 1>floor no matter what Dallas is gonna get, even if

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<v Speaker 1>he's banged up and only plays fifty games. For fifty games,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to get a rock solid defensive anchor, a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who can protect the rim at an elite level

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<v Speaker 1>and rebound at an an elite level. And when you

0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.080
<v Speaker 1>can do those two things, it just makes it so

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<v Speaker 1>much easier for a basketball team to build around that

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<v Speaker 1>and to function around that. We used to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this for eighties bad games, right like even the slower moving,

0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.000
<v Speaker 1>banged up version of AD. He'd have these like bad

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<v Speaker 1>games where he'd have twelve points, fourteen rebounds, and three blocks,

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<v Speaker 1>and people would rightfully complain that, like, yeah, that inconsistently inconsistency,

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<v Speaker 1>especially on offense, is what would separate him from guys

0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.040
<v Speaker 1>like Yannis, And that would be fair. If you're comparing

0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.679
<v Speaker 1>him to Giannis, you're gonna frequently run into things that

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<v Speaker 1>are frustrating. I'm not going to argue against that. But

0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.879
<v Speaker 1>in those games, he was still doing so much dirty work,

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<v Speaker 1>like he'd have twelve, fourteen and three, and people would

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<v Speaker 1>be complaining and like to quote Pete Zayas and again,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a Lakers fan, I think Pete and Darius

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<v Speaker 1>have the best team specific Lakers podcast. You guys got

0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:59.800
<v Speaker 1>to check it out. Pete taught me so much about

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<v Speaker 1>what I know about the modern NBA, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>think he's awesome. You guys have to go check out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Laker film room podcast. But Pete, you would

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<v Speaker 1>always say, like everyone's yelling at Ad when he's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to move the couch by himself, and it's like, how

0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.239
<v Speaker 1>about we help him move the couch, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>start complaining about whatever else he's doing, And it's the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Ad had to carry such an insanely heavy load

0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:26.800
<v Speaker 1>as a defensive player and as a rebounder for that

0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Lakers team. You know, like we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>him overall as a ceiling as a defensive player. But

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of times people will say, like, oh, well,

0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Ad doesn't have these accolades, he doesn't have the Defensive

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<v Speaker 1>Player of the Year, the racked up first Team All Defensivewards,

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<v Speaker 1>and all this kind of stuff. And you want to

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<v Speaker 1>know why. It's because people for years have had their

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<v Speaker 1>brains broken by the idea of basketball being a team sport.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a team sport, and the Lakers were consistently

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<v Speaker 1>fielding rosters utterly devoid of defensive talent, where Ad is

0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:01.119
<v Speaker 1>carrying everything on that end of the floor. And we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it all the time, the speed with which

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<v Speaker 1>a dribble penetrator gets past his man. If it's a

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<v Speaker 1>straight lines, straight line, sprinting drive, it breaks any defense,

0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:16.880
<v Speaker 1>let alone a defense that's anchored by any elite defensive

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<v Speaker 1>player like Anthony Davis. The Lakers were a trash defense

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<v Speaker 1>and they were still hitting mediocre, you know, in that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fifteen to twenty four range of defensive ratings

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<v Speaker 1>because Anthony Davis was anchoring everything on that end of

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<v Speaker 1>the floor. Their second best defender was like an old

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<v Speaker 1>Lebron who, as we all know, especially when he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>believe a team can win the title, will take some

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<v Speaker 1>time off on that end of the floor in the

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<v Speaker 1>regular season. I think AD is a grossly underappreciated defensive

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<v Speaker 1>player overall. It's a big part of why I have

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<v Speaker 1>him so much higher on this list than many people will.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything we just discussed is AD's floor as a defensive player. Elite,

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<v Speaker 1>top tier in protector, elite top tier rebounder. That's the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>The ceiling for AD as a defensive player is the

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<v Speaker 1>best defensive player in the NBA, at least before Victor

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<v Speaker 1>wemen Yama came around. Like, I'm gonna reference non Wemby

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<v Speaker 1>a few times here because he has come in and

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<v Speaker 1>broken everything. But as you guys have noticed, we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>even gotten to Wemby yet on this list. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>huge believer in what Victor wm Minyama can do, but

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<v Speaker 1>I believe before Wemby that the healthy, in shape Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Davis was the best defensive player in basketball. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a frightening rim protector that would break offenses. Like even

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<v Speaker 1>just last year, like I talked about, he had a

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<v Speaker 1>five game stretch towards the beginning of the year when

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<v Speaker 1>he was healthy and in shape, where he averaged three

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<v Speaker 1>point six blocks per game. That's outrageous. But he'd also

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<v Speaker 1>bring crazy scheme versatility, and this is what sets him apart.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of guys like Joel Embiid or

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<v Speaker 1>great rim protectors when they can sit back and protect

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<v Speaker 1>the basket or sit in a deeper drop coverage, but

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as you ask them to do anything else,

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<v Speaker 1>it falls apart. Like you know, I think Game seven

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<v Speaker 1>in that playoff series against the Celtics, where he's just

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<v Speaker 1>getting pulled out to the perimeter and just cooked repeatedly,

0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:08.760
<v Speaker 1>over and over again by Jason Tatum. With ad you

0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 1>could ask him to be a deep drop coverage big

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and he'd crush at that. But you could also ask

0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:15.720
<v Speaker 1>him to come up to the level and contest pull

0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.560
<v Speaker 1>up shooters or as guys are coming downhill, reaching in

0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:21.360
<v Speaker 1>on the on the guard as he's working downhill. He's

0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:24.160
<v Speaker 1>always been a high steels guy. He had sixteen games

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:28.000
<v Speaker 1>last year with multiple steals. But again he's also an

0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:31.680
<v Speaker 1>awesome switching big. Maybe not as good as a guy

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:35.320
<v Speaker 1>like bam At a bio but near that level and

0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 1>in conjunction with his A plus plus plus rim protection.

0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:41.680
<v Speaker 1>For a while there before Wemby came around, I thought

0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:43.800
<v Speaker 1>healthy Ad was the best defensive player in the world.

0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:47.359
<v Speaker 1>I thought the twenty twenty three series against Golden State

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 1>was the classic example of how even in this big,

0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 1>bulky version of Ad, when he's healthy, is the best

0:24:56.359 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 1>non wenbe defender in the world. He can completely stifled

0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Golden State's offense to the point where every single decision

0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:07.920
<v Speaker 1>that Steve Kerr made, every lineup decision, every floor geometry decision,

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>everything Steve Kerr was doing was geared around getting Anthony

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Davis away from the action and away from the rim.

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 1>And then, in the pivotal moment of the series in

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Game four, when Steph was still causing so many problems

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.040
<v Speaker 1>for the Laker defense with what he was doing in

0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 1>pick and roll, Anthony Davis at the end of that

0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:32.920
<v Speaker 1>game twice switched the screen, got onto Steph and got

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.960
<v Speaker 1>two key stops. He forced him into an extremely difficult

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:39.199
<v Speaker 1>one legged fade away from the mid range and a

0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 1>super deep three because Steph on the second look there

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:45.200
<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm not even gonna try to go around

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:47.200
<v Speaker 1>this guy, I'm just going to pull from out here,

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and it was like a thirty footer that he ended

0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 1>up missing. That was the differentiator. Steve Kerr kept trying

0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:57.639
<v Speaker 1>stuff and Ad just literally had a defensive answer for

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:02.359
<v Speaker 1>everything they did, even Steph on any island. And so

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 1>that's a big part of why I have Ad at

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 1>ten this year. Even with his health variants, he's going

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 1>to be one of the top two or three defense

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:13.960
<v Speaker 1>and rebounding foundations in the entire NBA, and the high

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:17.479
<v Speaker 1>end is potentially the best defender in basketball other than

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Victor Weinmanyam. That's an extremely high floor for a guy

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:25.920
<v Speaker 1>before we even get to the offensive end. And then

0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>on the offensive end, while he can be frustrating and

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:33.920
<v Speaker 1>inconsistent as an on ball player, he's an excellent play finisher,

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 1>which makes him on every single night a very useful

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 1>offensive player. Again, twenty five points per game last year

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:43.480
<v Speaker 1>on fifty nine per century shooting, that's nothing to roll

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:46.600
<v Speaker 1>your eyes at. He had three forty point games, eleven

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>thirty five point games, and nineteen to thirty point games.

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 1>He was a super efficient role man in ball screens

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.199
<v Speaker 1>on one hundred and ninety reps as a Laker in

0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 1>ball screens, he got one point two to three points

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 1>per possession, which is all. He'shot forty two percent pick

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:04.879
<v Speaker 1>and pop threes. This is an interesting idea. It's something

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I wish the Lakers would have used more. It was

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:08.920
<v Speaker 1>better for their spacing as well. Eighty is not a

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 1>good jump shooter, but for whatever reason, there's something about

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:13.280
<v Speaker 1>the rhythm of pick and pop, and a lot of

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.359
<v Speaker 1>it could be just how open he would get, but

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:17.159
<v Speaker 1>there was like a rhythm for him with pick and

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 1>pop where he shot well out of it. He was

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 1>fifteen for thirty six last year on pick and pop threes.

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 1>He was also excellent on floaters fifty two percent last year.

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>And then he's a ridiculous vertical spacing threat. He's got

0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 1>magnet hands. He catches everything with nine foot standing reach

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 1>and plenty of mobility even at his larger size to

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 1>finish everything above the rim. So he was flat out

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 1>just an awesome pick and roll threat as the screener

0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 1>last year. He was also a solid post player. Was

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:46.880
<v Speaker 1>little down year over year last year, just one point

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.639
<v Speaker 1>zero four points per possession including passes, which is just

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.920
<v Speaker 1>above average. Nothing to write home about, but above average.

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 1>The previous year, though he was very good when he

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.919
<v Speaker 1>was healthier. He was one point zero nine points per

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:00.159
<v Speaker 1>possession including passes out of the post, which is the

0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:04.119
<v Speaker 1>seventy first percentile, shoots over fifty percent on hook shots.

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing with ads above fifty percent on both

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.159
<v Speaker 1>hook shots and floaters, not yokic territory, he's going to

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:11.919
<v Speaker 1>be up over sixty percent on those. But Ad among

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 1>biggs in the NBA is as good as short range

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 1>finisher as you'll find outside of the yokch types in

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 1>the league. It was mainly a passing issue that kept

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>him from really reaching his lead his ceiling as a

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 1>post player in twenty twenty four when he shot out

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 1>of the post again. That was the year that he

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.600
<v Speaker 1>played super well and got one point zero nine points

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>per possession. In twenty twenty four, he had a score

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 1>percentage when he'd shoot out of the post of fifty

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 1>four percent, meaning if you toss the ball to Ad

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 1>and he was able to get a shot up, he

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 1>was going to score well over half the time. It

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 1>was a super reliable play type. But over the years,

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 1>even though he made some slight improvements as a passer,

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>he never got good enough at it to become a

0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.720
<v Speaker 1>guy that you could just lean on for high, high

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 1>volume out of the post, the way you could with

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>the guy like Embiid, who is so good at scoring

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>out of the post that even his playmaking issues didn't

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 1>matter as much. And a guy like Jokic's obviously one

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>of the best post players to ever touch the floor. Right,

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 1>there was just a tier. The eighty was clearly a

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 1>tier below because he can never quite figure out the

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:20.480
<v Speaker 1>passing element of it to make his scoring ability worth

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 1>it to be a super high volume post up player.

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.200
<v Speaker 1>He always just seemed to get spooked by double teams.

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 1>The big thing I would always talk about is it

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>would look like he was trying to get rid of

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the ball rather than trying to find the kill pass.

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Like he'd catch the ball out of a double team

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>in the post and he would dribble out and throw

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 1>to a guy who's being guarded by throwing an over

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 1>the top pass just to like get rid of the ball,

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 1>and he'd throw the pass to a guy who's thirty

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>thirty five feet from the rim. Whereas, like you watch

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 1>the best post players in the league, they work aggressively

0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>into the double and try to pass through the defense

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>to the weak side where there's usually a wide open

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>player or a wide open cutter. They make the kill pass.

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>The pass that make it makes it so that you

0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 1>cannot double him. That was the thing that Ady never

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 1>was quite able to figure out, and so because of that,

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 1>because he was a little sketchy as a ball handler overall,

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 1>it just it just never amounted to a legitimate offensive

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 1>engine type of player the way Joel Embiid was able

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 1>to get or the way that nikolea Jokic was able

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 1>to get. That really is the differentiator for Anthony Davis

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>between him as a second tier star in the top

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.720
<v Speaker 1>tier stars at the top of the league. The second

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 1>piece of it was the jump shot. The jump shot

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 1>just never came around to what it was in twenty twenty.

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Like we talked about, he shot well on picking pops,

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>but overall last year he was a zero point nine

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>points per shot on jump shots. He's okay from short

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:41.719
<v Speaker 1>range forty nine percent inside of seventeen feet and that's fine,

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 1>but that's notably still under a point per shot, and

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 1>he shot just forty three percent on long twos outside

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 1>of seventeen feet, which is only zero point eighty six

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>points per shot, and he was below thirty percent from three,

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.960
<v Speaker 1>so even from three he was below a point per shot.

0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 1>So again like him not developing as either a great

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 1>jump shooter or an elite ball handler playmaker, because like Jannis,

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 1>never became an elite jump shooter, but Jannis has become

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>an elite ball handler playmaker as a monster frontcourt defensive weapon,

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and that is what allowed Giannis to become like a

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 1>perennial MVP candidate in the way that Anthony Davis has

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>not been able to figure out. If he could have

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 1>become an elite jump shooter, you know, a la Dirk Noovisky,

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>that becomes a thing that can carry him up to

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>he didn't, you wouldn't even need to be as good

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>as Dirk just if he became an elite jump shooter

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 1>relative to most play finishers, just like a knockdown pick

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 1>and pop big or something like that, he could have

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 1>been a guy that could have entered into that top

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 1>tier because of how gifted he was defensively. If he

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 1>could have just figured out how to become a top

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>not a top tier, but a very good on the

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 1>ballplayer as a ball handler playmaker, he could have entered

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 1>into that tier, but he ended up being neither. And

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>again you can factor in injuries into that equation. Equation,

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it's worth mentioning like Ad has never really

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>been able to work on his game as much as

0:31:57.680 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 1>some of his peers because he's been banged up. That

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.360
<v Speaker 1>has been what's kept him from entering into that superstar

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 1>tier outside of the twenty twenty season. In that twenty

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 1>twenty season, when he shot like Kevin Freakin Durant in

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the bubble, I had him as the fourth best player

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 1>in the world, and I think that was like the

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 1>absolute peak. It was a skinnier version of AD that

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>was a better defensive player and just a ridiculous shot

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 1>maker out of the high post in ISO situations and

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 1>it just and he shot really well from three too,

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>famously hit a game winning three against the Denver Nuggets

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 1>in that Western Conference final series. So he was just

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 1>another level of a jump shooter. That's kind of an

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 1>example of what I was talking about, like jump shooting

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 1>AD plus elite defense, top tier superstar. If he could

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>have figured out the playmaking piece, because he has shot

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 1>making out of the post, he could have got there.

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 1>But he just never was able to figure those pieces out.

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:49.239
<v Speaker 1>But still, when you look at the big picture, you

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 1>can basically bank on Ad to give you at least

0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty five and twelve next year, and you can bank

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 1>on him being an excellent defensive, rebounder and rim protector.

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 1>That's the floor. What a strong foundation for the rest

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:05.640
<v Speaker 1>of your team to build on. And he's still a

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 1>good post up threat and a top tier rollman weapon

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 1>that you can build around. On offense. On any given night,

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 1>he can explode for forty points. And that's the low end.

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.040
<v Speaker 1>And I think there's a range of potential outcomes here

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 1>where he hits higher because of his motivation level, and

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I think we're going to get there. So for me,

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 1>I had Anthony Davis at number ten this year. Now,

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 1>before we move on to the Chris Paul Kyrie debate,

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I did want to give a bonus AD topic regarding

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 1>him playing the power forward for the Dallas Mavericks. He's said.

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I saw another quote just the other day of him

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 1>talking about how he views himself as a power forward

0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 1>more than the center. And again, like I want to

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>start like this, I don't want to say that Ady

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 1>can't play power forward. I actually think in the modern NBA,

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 1>having two big looks is an important punch that you

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 1>can throw in certain situations. So for instance, like the

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Thunder being able to lean heavily into Hartenstein and Chat

0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 1>in the Denver series was a huge part of how

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 1>they were able to make things very difficult for Nicole Jokich.

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.719
<v Speaker 1>And so I think you should have that look. But

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 1>then as you can see, like then when the Thunder

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>got into later playoff rounds, they went away from the

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>two big look like they didn't use it as much

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:13.799
<v Speaker 1>against the Pacers because the speed would have been an issue, right,

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:16.040
<v Speaker 1>And so like the point is is, like you want

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:17.799
<v Speaker 1>to have that as a punch, but it can't be

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:19.880
<v Speaker 1>your like foundational thing that you try to do. And

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>this is where I get a little concern about the

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 1>overall team construct of the Dallas Mavericks, especially with all

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 1>the centers that they have on staff right now. The

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 1>problem is Ad is fast, even big bulky Ad is

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 1>fast for a center, but he's not fast compared to

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 1>power forwards. Old Lebron is a much better athlete than

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Anthony Davis in terms of foot speed and quickness and

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 1>changing ends of the floor. Aaron Gordon in the Western Conference.

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Like even Kevin Durant for the Houston Rockets moves better

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 1>than Anthony Davis does. Right, So, like at the five,

0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 1>his speed is an asset at the full, or his

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 1>speed is a liability. Similarly, his offensive skill, his short

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:08.560
<v Speaker 1>range shot making, his ball handling ability at the five,

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 1>it's an asset. At the four, it's a liability. And

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that happens is is if you

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:17.879
<v Speaker 1>get him on the floor at the four, you start

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:20.800
<v Speaker 1>to dip below these kind of like mandatory minimums in

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 1>certain areas of skill set. You put ad at the

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 1>four next to a Derek Lively or Daniel Gafford, all

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:30.359
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, your team doesn't really have much ball

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 1>handling on the floor. You put Anthony Davis at the

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.839
<v Speaker 1>four by a Derek Lively, all of a sudden, your

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 1>team doesn't have much jump shooting on the floor, all

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:43.440
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, even just overall foot speed. Like we

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't talk about this earlier, but one of the few

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:49.120
<v Speaker 1>weaknesses Anthony Davis has on the defensive end is he

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 1>is not a good transition big. He falls on the

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 1>ground a lot. He complains that the refs a lot,

0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't run back on defense. I've seen Biggs

0:35:57.480 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 1>beat Anthony Davis just literally by running him up and

0:35:59.880 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 1>down on the floor. Like, even at the center position,

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 1>he can sometimes struggle as a changing ends type of

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:10.960
<v Speaker 1>floor runner, so like at the four, it can become

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>a serious problem. So again, I don't hate the idea

0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:17.839
<v Speaker 1>of the MAVs having two big looks, and you could

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:20.840
<v Speaker 1>even talk me into starting games that way, but to me,

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:25.399
<v Speaker 1>at least half and all of your at least half

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 1>of your total minutes and all of the clutch time,

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.959
<v Speaker 1>big picture moments asign from maybe against Denver, you're gonna

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 1>need Anthony Davis at center because same with Cooper Flag.

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Cooper Flag has a ball handling skill, speed advantage against fours,

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 1>but he's gonna run into some issues against threes right away.

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:52.359
<v Speaker 1>In the NBA, he'll improve, But like Cooper Flag can

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 1>handle the ball, but how much is this handling gonna

0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 1>be a factor if there's not a lot of surrounding

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:02.440
<v Speaker 1>ball handling, Like like what if they end up starting

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Klay Thompson, We'll see what ends up happening. But like

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Clay Thompson's not a guy who dribbles the ball a

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:09.319
<v Speaker 1>lot you could run into some issues in terms of

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 1>your aggregate ball handling on the floor with Anthony Davis

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 1>at the floor. It's just something to keep an eye

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.879
<v Speaker 1>on as we watch the MAVs next year. All before

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:18.000
<v Speaker 1>we get out of here today, I want to spend

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 1>a few minutes talking about Chris Paul versus Kyrie Irving.

0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:28.719
<v Speaker 1>So this is an interesting debate because Kyrie Irving kind

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:32.879
<v Speaker 1>of has a stranglehold on basketball culture, and I don't

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.400
<v Speaker 1>think that's an accident. I think he's one of the

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 1>top three or foremost aesthetically appealing basketball players I've ever watched.

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:43.400
<v Speaker 1>He's just so much fun to watch when he's chaining

0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:47.759
<v Speaker 1>together dribble combinations and he's showing outrageous footwork and some

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 1>of the wildest finishes I've ever seen. Yeah, every once

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:53.440
<v Speaker 1>in a while, I'll see the clips from like Game

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 1>five or Game seven, a Game seven in particular of

0:37:56.760 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 1>the of the NBA Finals in two thousand and sixteen.

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 1>He had this play where he got it either got

0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 1>a defensive rebound or got outlet pass, and he threw

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 1>this like straight up wicked push ahead dribble that had

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:11.919
<v Speaker 1>this crazy, like voodoo backspin on it. Because it came

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 1>out of his hands at like this sharp angle forward,

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 1>hit the ground and then just bounced straight back up

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 1>so that he could catch it on the run. And

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 1>he got into a euro or a high gather and

0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:28.720
<v Speaker 1>went like left hand way out wide while getting fouled,

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:31.200
<v Speaker 1>like super high off the glass, and it just like

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:33.720
<v Speaker 1>perfectly kissed off the glass and went into the basket,

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 1>and you're just like, oh my god, that was one

0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:38.919
<v Speaker 1>of the craziest, most beautiful basketball players I've ever seen.

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Like he has that certain aesthetic appeal that just has

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:46.239
<v Speaker 1>the basketball culture and his stranglehold. He also has one

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 1>of the most iconic shots in NBA history on his

0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:50.960
<v Speaker 1>resume with the step back three over Steph Curry to

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:54.839
<v Speaker 1>win the twenty sixteen finals. He's a champion, which Chris

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Paul is not. Those are the things that I think

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 1>drive a lot of the momentum. Bed Kyrie Irving as

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 1>a player who could be considered as better than Chris Paul.

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>But I think Chris Paul at his peak, was just

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:09.640
<v Speaker 1>a better basketball player than Kyrie Irving's did a lot

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 1>of talk about defense. I think Kyrie Irving is actually

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:16.960
<v Speaker 1>a little bit underrated as a defender famously in those stretches.

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>If you remember, Kyrie defended well, chasing around screens and

0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 1>staying attached to shooters, and he was never a guy

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 1>that would be super focused over the course of regular seasons.

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:29.359
<v Speaker 1>But I never felt like Kyrie was a substantial weak

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:31.840
<v Speaker 1>point on the defensive end of the floor when I

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:34.400
<v Speaker 1>was rooting for him during those years with the Cavaliers.

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>So Chris Paul is a more decorated defender, and certainly

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 1>in his prime, was a more committed regular season defender.

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.719
<v Speaker 1>But to me, I'm not looking at the defensive end

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 1>as much of a differentiator between those two. To me,

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:53.360
<v Speaker 1>the difference is simply the archetype. Kyrie Irving is a

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 1>score and one of the very best to do it,

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:01.840
<v Speaker 1>but Chris Paul is a legitimate offense eve Ent. I

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:04.399
<v Speaker 1>think you see this sort of issue when you look

0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:06.879
<v Speaker 1>at years like when Kyrie Irving was trying to lead

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 1>those Boston Celtics teams, which in retrospect like that was

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 1>why he left Cleveland, if you guys remember, he kind

0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 1>of wanted an opportunity to lead his own team, and

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>when he got there, you find out pretty quickly that

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I talk about this idea all the time. With respect

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:24.000
<v Speaker 1>to scores versus offensive engines, the name of the game

0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:27.359
<v Speaker 1>is not to generate thirty points on sixty percent through

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:31.479
<v Speaker 1>shooting for yourself. You got to generate. You're taking eighty

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 1>ninety shots in a game as a team, and you're

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna be on the floor for call it eighty percent

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 1>of that. So you're you're gonna need to generate for

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:43.719
<v Speaker 1>your team, you know, sixty seventy shots, maybe not all

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:48.000
<v Speaker 1>in points and assists, but an advantage creation. You're gonna

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:50.799
<v Speaker 1>have your twenty five to thirty that you pour in

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 1>as an on ball score for a guy like Chris

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Paul Moore, like in that you know, eighteen to twenty

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 1>four kind of range, although Chris Paul had big score games.

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 1>But then you're gonna have your assists like you're into

0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:02.560
<v Speaker 1>twelve times a game, or you spoon fed a guy

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 1>a wide open three or a cut which is going

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 1>to lead to a bucket. But for the offensive engine types,

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 1>it's also the twenty to thirty to forty times a

0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 1>game where you got into an action early in a

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 1>set and you made a read that got a guy

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.360
<v Speaker 1>a close out or shifted the defense side to side

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 1>or did something to generate an advantage that your team

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 1>then capitalized on with two or three additional sequences that

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:30.360
<v Speaker 1>led to an open shot. That's why I'm so I

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:34.279
<v Speaker 1>gravitate so much towards offensive engines. They simply generate so

0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:37.840
<v Speaker 1>much more offense for their team relative to what things

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>look like in the box score. Like a guy like

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Tyrese Halliburton, he's gonna average, you know, sixteen seventeen points

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 1>per game and you know, eleven twelve assists. Whatever it

0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 1>is that he puts up and it's not gonna look

0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 1>like it manifests some great offensive output, but he generates

0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 1>so many advantages that the Pacers playoff for extended stretches

0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:58.400
<v Speaker 1>of each possession, and he gets into it early in

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the possession that like, for whatever reason, when he's off

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>the floor, the Pacers suddenly don't score it nearly as

0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:07.520
<v Speaker 1>effective a level. That is the value of it being

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:10.360
<v Speaker 1>an offensive engine. With the guy like Kyrie Irving is

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:13.759
<v Speaker 1>a score, there's a certain level of variants. Yeah, he

0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:16.440
<v Speaker 1>made all those day and pull up jump shots against

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 1>the Golden State Warriors, and it was the reason that

0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 1>they were able to push over the top and win

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:24.920
<v Speaker 1>the title when he hit the shot against Steph Curry.

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 1>But he also looked great for three rounds with the

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Dallas Mavericks in twenty twenty four, and then what happened

0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 1>against Boston. Suddenly he couldn't make those pull up jump shots.

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:36.719
<v Speaker 1>They weren't going in. And by the way, that's he

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 1>was going against really good defenders who made it tougher.

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:42.319
<v Speaker 1>But we've seen Kyrie Irving hit really tough shots. There's

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 1>just a lot of variants. Specifically with tough shot making,

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:50.439
<v Speaker 1>there's a heavy make miss factor, and sometimes they don't

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:53.400
<v Speaker 1>go in, and then when they don't go in, what's

0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:55.600
<v Speaker 1>your offensive value that you're bringing to the table. And

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Kyrie Irving was is a good passer, but he is

0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:02.440
<v Speaker 1>not the type of offensive engine that a guy like

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Chris Paul was. So you get into it, you get

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:08.840
<v Speaker 1>a little more complicated. It's like, Okay, well, Chris Paul's

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:10.359
<v Speaker 1>not good enough to win the title as your number

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:13.319
<v Speaker 1>one option. I'm not. I actually do believe that if

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Chris Paul was on better teams when he was in

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:19.399
<v Speaker 1>his prime, he would have had a really good chance. Now,

0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:21.840
<v Speaker 1>like the twenty twenty two with the Suns, he was

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 1>so old his body was breaking down at the end

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 1>of the NBA Final series. But like, if you go

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 1>back to the mid twenty tens, if he was on

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.560
<v Speaker 1>one of the better rosters in the NBA, I absolutely

0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:35.279
<v Speaker 1>think Chris Paul was good enough to win the title.

0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 1>But it didn't happen for whatever reason. Okay, Kyrie Irving

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>did get one playing alongside the greatest basketball player ever,

0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:47.360
<v Speaker 1>it's not the same. And as we go to the

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.960
<v Speaker 1>number two piece, Yeah, I do think Kyrie Irving is

0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:53.959
<v Speaker 1>flat out an awesome option to have as your second

0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:57.920
<v Speaker 1>best player when you're alongside a superstar player that can

0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:00.480
<v Speaker 1>handle a lot of that like upside and terms of,

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:05.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, managing the load of offensive shot creation. But

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:07.759
<v Speaker 1>like just look at it as the reverse for a

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Chris Paul. So he's a shot creator, so you wouldn't

0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:13.719
<v Speaker 1>want to pair him with another shot creator. I do

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 1>think there were some diminishing returns when you put a

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 1>guy like Chris Paul with a James Harden, or if

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 1>you were to put him with a Luka Doncic or

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:21.880
<v Speaker 1>even a Lebron James, because they kind of do a

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of the same things. We've talked a lot about that.

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 1>With the idea of the Lakers potentially trying to pair

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Luca with Jokic, I just don't think that that's nearly

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 1>as good a team as it looks like on paper

0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:34.440
<v Speaker 1>because those skill sets overlap too much. So for a

0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 1>guy like Chris Paul. If Kyrie Irving got to play

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 1>with Lebron James at the peak of his powers and

0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 1>get a title there, I do believe that if in

0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen you swapped Russell Westbrook for Chris Paul, I

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:55.560
<v Speaker 1>think that Thunder team is absolutely a legitimate championship team.

0:44:56.520 --> 0:44:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Now would they have beat Lebron who knows? Would they

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.480
<v Speaker 1>have beat Steph who knows? But like I think, if

0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:06.480
<v Speaker 1>you paired CP three with Kevin Durant for six years

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 1>in the heart of their primes, I think they get

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 1>a title because you would be pairing Chris Paul's offensive

0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 1>engine nature with the tip of the spear scoring that

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:21.279
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Durant provides. So, yeah, Chris Paul didn't have a

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 1>title the way that Kyrie Irving does, and he doesn't

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 1>have the cultural resonance that a guy like Kyrie Irving does.

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, he's got a couple of tough black marks

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:33.319
<v Speaker 1>on his resume in terms of rough playoff moments, but

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:36.960
<v Speaker 1>so does Kyrie, and like, ultimately, when I look at it,

0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:40.680
<v Speaker 1>I just think Chris Paul is a better basketball player

0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:44.080
<v Speaker 1>than Kyrie Irving because they're more even as defenders than

0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:47.400
<v Speaker 1>people think. But Chris Paul is much better at generating

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:50.799
<v Speaker 1>offense for his entire team than Kyrie Irving is, and

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:53.480
<v Speaker 1>that is an example of why I gravitate towards those

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:57.879
<v Speaker 1>offensive engine types more than the scoring types. All right, guys,

0:45:57.880 --> 0:45:59.480
<v Speaker 1>it's all I have for today is always a sincerely

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:01.520
<v Speaker 1>percent you got for supporting us and supporting the show.

0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:04.839
<v Speaker 1>We will be back with number nine on Wednesday, as

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:07.240
<v Speaker 1>well as another one of these kind of debate topics

0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 1>at the tail end. I will see you guys then