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<v Speaker 1>Be sure to catch live editions of the Ben Maller

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<v Speaker 1>Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven p m Pacific Boom.

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<v Speaker 1>If you thought four hours a day, minutes a week

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<v Speaker 1>was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants of

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<v Speaker 1>the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He treats

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<v Speaker 1>crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich

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<v Speaker 1>pill poppers in the penthouse the clearing House of Hot

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<v Speaker 1>takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Maller starts right now that it is well, come

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<v Speaker 1>into the beginning of the Fifth Hour with Ben Masse.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is on the marquee there because four hours

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<v Speaker 1>are not and off and we now do this thing

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<v Speaker 1>eight days a week. The question is will we continue

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<v Speaker 1>to do it eight days a week and obviously spin

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<v Speaker 1>off of the radio show. But you've found it, you've

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<v Speaker 1>downloaded it, you subscribed, you've told your friends, you've told

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<v Speaker 1>your enemies about it, and we welcome in. It's it

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<v Speaker 1>is a gas bag chat, a chat with our friend podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to him in a second. We welcome in

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<v Speaker 1>David Gascon from West of the four or five I

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<v Speaker 1>have in front of a studio audience here and wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>Sherman Oaks, California. It is interesting that you are able

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<v Speaker 1>to get that particular SoundBite. But I don't really get

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<v Speaker 1>any drops. I don't get any rim shots. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get any applause, any laughter, any of that. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good job of, you know, patting yourself on the back,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, making it all about you, as you know

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<v Speaker 1>liquently said, uh, it's all about you during your shows. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I was the Tom Looney school of radio. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>my school of radio. But I did take advantage of

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<v Speaker 1>a situation that was bad and turned in into a positive.

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<v Speaker 1>Because anything that you learned that after he gave you

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<v Speaker 1>advice on how to invest in the real estate market

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<v Speaker 1>and that turned out to be a dudd you'd stop

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<v Speaker 1>listening to him. But here we are in the month

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<v Speaker 1>of September and appears to be no slowing down. You

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<v Speaker 1>and Tom Leney, Well listen, I don't actually talk to

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<v Speaker 1>Looney much. We text, which is not really talking, it's texting,

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<v Speaker 1>and we go back and forth in that. But uh,

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<v Speaker 1>but he is wrong about everything, certainly as politics are

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<v Speaker 1>all messed up. So we go back and forth on

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<v Speaker 1>that but enough enough about me. Oh wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute. We have Gascon tonight if you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>anytime early in the day on Friday, this podcast, the

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<v Speaker 1>Friday Podcast. We made our maiden voyage last week. We

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<v Speaker 1>did Benny versus the Penny YouTube stars YouTube stars only

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<v Speaker 1>on the YouTube and it went better than I expected.

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<v Speaker 1>There were only limited mistakes by you um and people

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<v Speaker 1>seem to enjoy it, and we had a live crowd

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<v Speaker 1>that was interacting with the show on the chat on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a lot of fun and more importantly, we won.

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<v Speaker 1>At least I won on my my bet, so we

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<v Speaker 1>came out ahead, which is the most important thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do it again tonight, same situation on the YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is at nine o'clock Pacific on Friday, which

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<v Speaker 1>is midnight Eastern. That's the Witching Hour. Guestcount. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be on on the Witching Hour on the East Coast.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll do it live, so that'll be fun. I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward to will pick every NFL game from the weekend

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<v Speaker 1>card against the spread. We'll have winners on every single

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<v Speaker 1>game and we will attempt again to win some money

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<v Speaker 1>and the and the best part is is is we

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<v Speaker 1>will unveil something a little special for for those that

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<v Speaker 1>are actually watching the uh the stream too. So you

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<v Speaker 1>and I had talked about this for the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks and it's a little give back to to

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<v Speaker 1>those are participating in in the broadcast tonight. So what

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<v Speaker 1>do we give? What are we giving them? Um? You

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<v Speaker 1>know it's it's something that has to I'll give him

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<v Speaker 1>a hand. It has something to do with your Iowa

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<v Speaker 1>Hawkeye hat. Oh yes, all right, well I have you.

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<v Speaker 1>I wore that the other night the Iowa hawk Eye had.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good looking at that's good looking at. So I

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<v Speaker 1>took some notes from from the first broadcast because I

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<v Speaker 1>know that typically when you go on the air, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't wanna you don't want to listen to what happened

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<v Speaker 1>after when it's all said and done. So, um, I

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<v Speaker 1>have fourth wall, Christmas and economy. Those are the three

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<v Speaker 1>things I like. I like that you're doing monolog that's

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<v Speaker 1>because typical West of the four or five. Absolutely, and

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<v Speaker 1>love with breaking the fourth wall, like that that live

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<v Speaker 1>feed with with viewers typing in comments, you could not

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<v Speaker 1>get away from. It was like a kid in the

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<v Speaker 1>fucking candy still it was like your first Christmas unwrapping

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<v Speaker 1>a nice g I Joe or Transformer, and you were

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<v Speaker 1>just fixated on it until you broke it. Like the

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast went nearly two hours, which you didn't give me

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<v Speaker 1>any credit for because I helped you through that two

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<v Speaker 1>hour fast that you needed to complete. And then on

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<v Speaker 1>top of that, you said, this thing is gonna suck.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's not gonna be good, it will not

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<v Speaker 1>be technically savvy. And then all of a sudden you

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<v Speaker 1>got to flame Mignon as opposed to you know bull.

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<v Speaker 1>But a couple of things. First of all, I like

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<v Speaker 1>that you made this all about you and just to

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate yourself, which is which is good. And as far

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<v Speaker 1>as the chat uh a, it was unexpected, so I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't expect that to be an option, so I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think we'd have any real time feedback and and be

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<v Speaker 1>it kept me from having to just focus on you.

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<v Speaker 1>I could focus on other things, which is good. That's good.

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<v Speaker 1>And see this is the difference again, you are proving

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<v Speaker 1>yourself what's as not being a man of the people.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a man of the people, and I like

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<v Speaker 1>to interact with the unwashed. You do not uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>think these people are below you, the riff raff right,

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<v Speaker 1>and all those scum and the lowest common denomena and

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<v Speaker 1>all the mean things you say about the Mallard militia.

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<v Speaker 1>You call them vermin and rodents and all that. But

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<v Speaker 1>these are my people. These are my people. There. I

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<v Speaker 1>like hanging out with the peasants. I like hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>with the hoi poloi and all that, and uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>know these are my guys. Well, I mean, like you,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, is that if you're performing, which this

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<v Speaker 1>is a performance, there's a there's a stage, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there's an audience. And you never have the stage and

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<v Speaker 1>the audience run parallel to each other. Usually one is

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<v Speaker 1>on top of the other or vice versa. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think in this point the audience is behind the stage

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<v Speaker 1>of what we're doing virtually. So if you don't mind

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<v Speaker 1>for the future, let's temper this down a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know we've got business schedules here, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know you've got two hours to spare when you're at

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<v Speaker 1>home doing shows from your bed and and broadcasts. Well yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not in my bed. I mean a professional radio studio

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<v Speaker 1>which has top notch equipment. I have better equipment than

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<v Speaker 1>i'd say five percent of the sports radio stations that

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<v Speaker 1>are all raggedy and all that. So so uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I I've been to a few radio stations.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been blown away. I remember one in Oklahoma. In Norman, Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 1>I went to a radio station there because I had

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<v Speaker 1>to record something. I was there for a college football game,

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<v Speaker 1>and the radio station was at the transmitter site and

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<v Speaker 1>it was like a portable like when I was in school,

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<v Speaker 1>in elementary school, you know, I had those portables out

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<v Speaker 1>in the back of the school. It was the radio

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<v Speaker 1>station was in that Like, oh my god. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is my profession here and I but then you

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<v Speaker 1>go to like New York or l A and then

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<v Speaker 1>these big massive skyscrapers and you've got show showcase studios

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<v Speaker 1>and all that. But there's more radio stations like the

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<v Speaker 1>one that was at the transmitter in Norman, Oklahoma, in

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<v Speaker 1>a little portable building than there are other places. But

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<v Speaker 1>then I don't beat the knocking the home studio. I

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<v Speaker 1>have great equipment here. I'm gonna upgrade the studio later

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<v Speaker 1>this month. I got some things coming in here. They're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make it even better. So I'm all about that man,

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<v Speaker 1>all about that action. That's good. We have one show

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<v Speaker 1>in the book, we have another show tonight, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is I think this is important because the

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<v Speaker 1>more feedback the better, but also the the activity level,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're gonna be giving some things back to the audience,

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<v Speaker 1>so they need to be aware of like what's like.

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<v Speaker 1>If you like what we're doing, great, there's ways to

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<v Speaker 1>support that. But if you don't like some of the things,

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<v Speaker 1>that make sure that you you voiced those through the

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<v Speaker 1>live feed or through the comments section or even the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast you can rate, you can subscribe, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>can chime in as well. Because and I think what

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<v Speaker 1>you're really saying is we need more people watching. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's what you're really say. I think we and

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<v Speaker 1>the most effective advertising. Yes, and you know this, and

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<v Speaker 1>this has always been my thing. I have no ad budget,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no marketing budget zero. The most important thing is

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<v Speaker 1>what I call guerrilla marketing, word of mouth advertising, and

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<v Speaker 1>that that is I don't need billboards, I don't need tvmercials.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd be nice radio commercials. I don't need any of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the real hype, the real advertising, is just you saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>so and so this is this is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons this is important, like one of the cool things.

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<v Speaker 1>Is one of the reasons that I Yelp is so

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<v Speaker 1>popular and and and Amazon people buy products based on

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<v Speaker 1>the reviews is because we value other people's opinion. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>it's human nature. But really, if people we know, right,

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<v Speaker 1>people you know who are in your circle, not in

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<v Speaker 1>my circle, but in your circle, your your family, your

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<v Speaker 1>co workers, you go to school, people around you say hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I got it. I got this thing on YouTube that's

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of cool, but nobody knows about it. See

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<v Speaker 1>that that adds some some drama their guest because and

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<v Speaker 1>really nobody knows about this, right Well, it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>lights camera action. It's like, all right, turn on the

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<v Speaker 1>little dusty candle or you know, like the little candle

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<v Speaker 1>and here we are. Yeah, which is fascinating to me

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't know why you had a problem with

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<v Speaker 1>my avatar picture that if nobody knows, what's the issue

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<v Speaker 1>with you and my back I don't get that. No, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's great. I know you use that on

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<v Speaker 1>grinder and I think that's pretty cool there, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know you've had success with that picture, but uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought maybe it was unprofessional. How about that

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<v Speaker 1>you have multiple pictures sent out to all these radio

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<v Speaker 1>stations and their photo shot pictures of you. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not photoshow. Those are just old pictures. Well there's one fat,

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<v Speaker 1>there's one skinny, there's one and they so well the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is, and if if you really hate me and

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<v Speaker 1>want me to get fat again, tell tell scotch Aapiro

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<v Speaker 1>and management of Fox Sports Radio to have a photo shoot,

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<v Speaker 1>because I guarantee you I will gain eighty to a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred pounds before said photo shoot. It happens almost every

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<v Speaker 1>single time I've very rarely in radio do they do

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<v Speaker 1>photo shoots for the talent. And I have timed it,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe probably seven out of the eight times I've

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<v Speaker 1>had to do those things over the years, roughly ball

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<v Speaker 1>park figure. I have ballooned like a turkey before Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and it never ends. So uh, you know, whenever

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<v Speaker 1>I'm lean and mean, very rarely do I get my

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<v Speaker 1>photo taken for those photo shoots. So it's only when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fat. So then if we go, if you're on

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<v Speaker 1>a video feed, then does that mean you can clean

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<v Speaker 1>up a little bit? Can we get you, like in

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<v Speaker 1>a suit and a tie or at least a dress

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<v Speaker 1>shirt and rolled up sleeves. And you want me to

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<v Speaker 1>dress up? Oh why not? It's better than being in pajamas.

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<v Speaker 1>Look like No, I wore a nice T shirt. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a cap. Again, I'm relatable. I engage with the people,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I engage. You're Johnny one note over there.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me dress up here, I'm gonna look all I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be like Cramer from the CNBC, and I'll do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And all the shots of the Speaker of the House

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<v Speaker 1>this week, I saw that. I did see that. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going very long. This is an interview situation task

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<v Speaker 1>on this is a chat. You're so long winded here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bad job by you. You have buried the lead,

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<v Speaker 1>my man. So we're excited we're gonna have here right now.

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<v Speaker 1>He is standing by Bernie Fratto. You know him. He's

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<v Speaker 1>on Fox Sports Radio on Saturday nights, my old time.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just one hour show Saturday nights, eleven pm

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<v Speaker 1>in the West, two am in the east, straight out

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<v Speaker 1>of Vegas, all the inside dirt, right in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the weekend. So essentially, when you lose your ass

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<v Speaker 1>on college football. You listen to Bernie. He gives us

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<v Speaker 1>some info, some important info on what's gonna happen on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday in the NFL. So you can get your your

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<v Speaker 1>your money back, conceivably get your money back and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's welcome in now. He's worked in radio and

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit and uh, he's a soap cow guy, so he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's lived an interesting life in the radio business. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>give it up now for Bernie Fratto and Bernie, why

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<v Speaker 1>don't we start with this, How the heck is that

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<v Speaker 1>show doing? Then? Uh? And David first, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going great. He's having my two year aniversary this

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<v Speaker 1>week and donal looads have increased and uh, no one's

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<v Speaker 1>tried to shoot me yet. But you're at eleven pm

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday night, Pacific time, and it's a one hour show

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<v Speaker 1>and the center piece of the show, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>it's called Straight out of Vegas. The centerpiece of the

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<v Speaker 1>show us of course sports betting. However, the content is

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more broad based and eclectic than that.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to offer a journalistic commentary. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>give insights. Uh, you know, give my cake as they say. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out that we're finding that about the people

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<v Speaker 1>who listen to the show don't even bet. However, they

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<v Speaker 1>like to hear what we're talking about and maybe have

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<v Speaker 1>brightening rights over their friends and such, and we try

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<v Speaker 1>to drop a lot of knowledge. We try to be

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<v Speaker 1>keen observers have been at this a long time and

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<v Speaker 1>I used to have a joke. You know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>go to medical school and finished last in your class,

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<v Speaker 1>they call you a doctor. If you go to betting

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<v Speaker 1>school and finish last in your class, that might call

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<v Speaker 1>your books. So we'd like to intertwine and common sense

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<v Speaker 1>strategies as well, like money management and various things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So we tryd of make it a correct I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we can then within the framework of being betting centric,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, people want to hear your opinions on

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<v Speaker 1>games and events. Well and Bernie, uh, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you are because you do a professional show. I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I do an amateur show. So you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about the crazy people that call up right and

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<v Speaker 1>harass you on social media at that time and not

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<v Speaker 1>because that that is a party time slot. Bernie. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that downloads are good and all that, but in

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<v Speaker 1>real time doing the show live at that time that

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<v Speaker 1>is right in the middle of the weekend, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is party central. And I know from years past, Bernie,

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<v Speaker 1>that the people that are listening at that time live,

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<v Speaker 1>they are feeling no pain, if you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>No doubt, many folks are just exiting their favorite watering

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<v Speaker 1>hole that might have had a couple of creamed emments

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<v Speaker 1>and learn a certain type of mood. And what's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>about that is I get people tweet at me during

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<v Speaker 1>the show. People tweet at the show, um, and what

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<v Speaker 1>surprises me, never ceases to surprise me, is how many

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<v Speaker 1>of those tweets are coming from the Eastern time zone, Philadelphia,

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<v Speaker 1>New York, Virginia, Beach, Virginia, wherever. And so as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>uh liter hours, there are always listeners out there. The

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<v Speaker 1>guy text me is listening from Sydney, Australia. So what's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting is because of the wonderful platform that Fox Sports has,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, you've got a hundred and sixty eight

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<v Speaker 1>hours in the week, I just do one. All you

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<v Speaker 1>guys do such a great job. People have it keep

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<v Speaker 1>it locked on Fox Sports. So I find that more

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<v Speaker 1>people are listening sometimes and we realize, oh, I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you, and and the cool thing about that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun is that these people listening around

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<v Speaker 1>the country. We're on Fox Sports radios on the American

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<v Speaker 1>Forces Network or whatever they're calling it now. So we

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of military, uh and non military that

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<v Speaker 1>happened to be working for the government that are in

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Asia or different countries around the world where

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<v Speaker 1>US military is and they listen on the American Forces Network.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's pretty cool. But that's cheating, Bernie, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like an afternoon show. It's not an overnight show for

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<v Speaker 1>these people on these different parts of a life. Ran

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<v Speaker 1>once said, we're in the air everywhere. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>who would say something like that. I have no idea, Bernie,

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<v Speaker 1>who would say that. But now do you consider I

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<v Speaker 1>think of you as a radio guy. That's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons I like you, Broke. I think of you

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<v Speaker 1>as a radio guy, But you've done a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff as well. Now do you consider yourself part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Rob Parker radio tree or is that incorrect?

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<v Speaker 1>It's correct, So let's unpack this. I began my radio

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<v Speaker 1>career in at w t K in Ann Arbor and

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<v Speaker 1>the first night I ever and I'm gonna build up

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<v Speaker 1>to the Rob Parker thing. I'll get there on a second.

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<v Speaker 1>But the first night I ever had a credentia was Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>June seventeenth, was at the Old Tiger Stadium. They were

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<v Speaker 1>hosting the Toronto Blue Jays, and that was the first

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<v Speaker 1>year they put martyrs in the press box and watched

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<v Speaker 1>the game. But there was no sound. Well, that night

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<v Speaker 1>we were watching the game, we were watching a little

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<v Speaker 1>thing that became known as the Yo J Bronco Chase.

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<v Speaker 1>And then later on a fine gentleman's faith kept popping

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<v Speaker 1>on the screen, a guy you made it out a

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<v Speaker 1>world named David Gascon And I'm watching the screen and

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<v Speaker 1>my first night in the press box, and all these

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<v Speaker 1>things are hitting me, and I couldn't hear what he

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<v Speaker 1>was saying. So when I got home about eleven thirty

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<v Speaker 1>that night, I made sure I watched all the replays,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course the rest is history. I spent several

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<v Speaker 1>years at w t K covering Michigan football, had my

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<v Speaker 1>own show on Sunday called The View from the Chief Seats,

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<v Speaker 1>another show called Inside the Frattle house, and then Rob

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<v Speaker 1>Parker and I became friends and started corresponding on things,

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<v Speaker 1>and I found all the way over to CV yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>eight won the flagship station w k r K Detroit,

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<v Speaker 1>which is now w x y T. And not only

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<v Speaker 1>did I work with Rob, we covered the World Series,

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<v Speaker 1>the super Bowl, the NBA Finals. Also was a part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Lions pre and postgame show broadcast team from

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight and the fall people in that period.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I saw everything. It was Barry Sanders last year

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<v Speaker 1>and to all the way until two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 1>which when the lines went Owen sixteen under Rob Marinelli

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw everything in between. So I lived three

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<v Speaker 1>lifetimes covering the Lions, and then I left Detroit in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand ten February, came to Las Vegas, joined up

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<v Speaker 1>with the ESPN Radio here co hosted some shows, also

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<v Speaker 1>hosted rube Lextra, which is a post game show for

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<v Speaker 1>you and of you run a rebel basketball Along this

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<v Speaker 1>whole way, Rob and I kept in touch. We've known

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<v Speaker 1>each other for twenty five years. And worlds collided because

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<v Speaker 1>R J. Bell had started a show called UM Straight

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<v Speaker 1>out of the Guts, and they wanted to add a

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday night show, and I got into Scotch Shapiro, and

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, the planets aligned. And so about this

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<v Speaker 1>time in two years ago now they created the Saturday show.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, can you make the commitment? I said absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>And here we are. Look at that and the rest

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<v Speaker 1>is history. And will you do a great job, Bernie

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. And now you're a big national radio star.

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<v Speaker 1>You've become international, right, international radis. But I love Rob.

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<v Speaker 1>I went out. You know, I've known Rob not as

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<v Speaker 1>long as you, but I've always been a big Rob

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<v Speaker 1>Parker fan. I like this style, He's no nonsense style,

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<v Speaker 1>and how he's willing to tear it people down and

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<v Speaker 1>all that. A lot of these guys don't do that, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the athletes and whatever. So when I went

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<v Speaker 1>out one time, we do not have a meal with Rob,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were just trading stories about like nineties radio

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<v Speaker 1>and how different it was compared to what we can

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<v Speaker 1>do now. Do you have a really good Rob Parker story,

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie from back in those Detroit, those wild local FM

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<v Speaker 1>radio days in the Motor City. Well there's a tell.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you a couple of classics. No, we're uh

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<v Speaker 1>in in two thousand nine, Rob used to joke with

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<v Speaker 1>rod Man and Elly, uh you know that his uh

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<v Speaker 1>southern law when we began a eventsive coordinator marry his

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<v Speaker 1>daughter and and Rob used to joke with Rob. I

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<v Speaker 1>used to I bet you wish your daughter would have

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<v Speaker 1>married a better defensive coordinator. And you know you might

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<v Speaker 1>not have gone in sixteen and both the room down,

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Mary Milly didn't think we still have funny. But

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<v Speaker 1>the paper one I was going over forget Ben was

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<v Speaker 1>when Jim Leland take over the tires. And in the

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<v Speaker 1>fall of two thousand and five and the first year

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<v Speaker 1>out of the gate, they go to the World Series

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<v Speaker 1>and there wasn't a person in town. They played the

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<v Speaker 1>same Louis Cardinals that you They were e three and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine, and that was the David uh the shortstop

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<v Speaker 1>but David x x xteen, Thank you very much, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. So they are all story longer. The Cardinals

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<v Speaker 1>beat the Tigers four games to one. And before the series,

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<v Speaker 1>while I was the only guy in town that predicted

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<v Speaker 1>the Tigers would not win the World Series, and man,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd here to think he would have assassinated, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the president or something they were coming at him right

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<v Speaker 1>and left. And you know, Detroit is a very provincial

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<v Speaker 1>sports town. There's not a transient population there. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you go on the airways and you're not being a

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<v Speaker 1>slappy fandboard and one of their teams, Rob and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do that, and Rob especially didn't do that. So

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<v Speaker 1>time and time again he would be a contrarian like

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<v Speaker 1>he has with Tom Brady, now what. He would do

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<v Speaker 1>that all all the time in Detroit, and so he

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he became sort of this caricature of himself.

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<v Speaker 1>But obviously he's still one of the most popular guys

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<v Speaker 1>in media there. But I'll never forget the O six

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<v Speaker 1>World Series when he predicted the Cardinals would win, and

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<v Speaker 1>even after it happened, people called us up and just

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<v Speaker 1>roade Rob red Rob the riot after he was at

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<v Speaker 1>Jason go back to New York. He never lived it down. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>and I gotta go back. You mentioned you saw everything.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're doing the Lions post game. I have buddies

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<v Speaker 1>of mine that have done Baltimore Orioles post game recently

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of years, I've been terrible, uh Clipper

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<v Speaker 1>post game back and what you're doing the Lions coverage there?

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<v Speaker 1>What what would you do in a call in show, Bernie,

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<v Speaker 1>What is that like when you're losing every game and

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<v Speaker 1>they don't win a game and you're taking a Lion

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<v Speaker 1>Fans have to be used to it, I would imagine

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<v Speaker 1>after all these years, But what was that like for you?

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<v Speaker 1>It was amazing because it was the biggest love hate

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<v Speaker 1>relationship I've ever seen with any team in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw it up close and personal. We would

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<v Speaker 1>sign onto the postgame show, get the particulars, do a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of livories, and we'd open up to the phone

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<v Speaker 1>line just a post game. We didn't have callings in

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<v Speaker 1>the pregame. We definitely have Paul Collins in the post game.

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<v Speaker 1>And what you would have it was inevitable. Mark Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>will you also know he did shows with us. We

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<v Speaker 1>would write down we would do an over under six minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>nine minutes. How long will it take for a someone

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<v Speaker 1>to say fire the coach? B Ford sell the team right?

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<v Speaker 1>Never ended and of course the years under mad Millan,

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<v Speaker 1>which were absolutely disastrous. They wrote him like a rented mule.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of you know, one person after another would

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<v Speaker 1>call in and they would berate the Lions. We found

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<v Speaker 1>me was to lose. I mean, they just did it

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<v Speaker 1>again this last Sunday. It's incredible. But the Lows he

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<v Speaker 1>was there, and they'd sell out the following week. And

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<v Speaker 1>every now and then someone would call in and say,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting ready my season tickets that said I've had it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would pick certain callers and I would fire

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<v Speaker 1>back and I said, no, you're not, No, you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a football time, and you know it. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got eight home games every year. Okay, you're not gonna

0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.280
<v Speaker 1>move to quarterline Outah. Yeah, they got a nice bed

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.840
<v Speaker 1>and breakfast there, but there's no NFL football there, you know.

0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Damn Well, oh yeah, you're right. Well, I love my Lions.

0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:24.680
<v Speaker 1>One football or excuse me, one playoff win ben since

0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:28.800
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty seven. January six and Dave Craig and the

0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:31.280
<v Speaker 1>de Trade Lions beat Dallas and Jimmy Johnson though do

0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.960
<v Speaker 1>you eight to six? And that day on National TV,

0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:36.920
<v Speaker 1>John Madden said, we're looking at the two teams of

0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:40.160
<v Speaker 1>the nineties. Well he was half right. The Lions got

0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 1>to the playoffs a couple of times under way in Fons,

0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:45.080
<v Speaker 1>but then he was gone. And then Bobby Ross came in,

0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:47.760
<v Speaker 1>and then Gary Moore, and then Dick You're Run, and

0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:51.160
<v Speaker 1>then Rob Marinelli, then Mike. Before that, it was Marty

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:54.359
<v Speaker 1>morning Wig and Steve Mariucci had like six coaches in

0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:57.600
<v Speaker 1>ten years and it was a constant circus. But the

0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 1>biggest takeaway, Ben was the incredible love hate relationship because

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 1>colors would be raped in three they never go to

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:07.160
<v Speaker 1>a game again, but they'd be right back the next

0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:11.040
<v Speaker 1>week because they couldn't break away. Bernie, what's the wildest

0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:13.000
<v Speaker 1>story that you can tell? Denn and I because we've

0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:16.080
<v Speaker 1>heard some doozies from athletes of the last couple episodes

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 1>on podcasts, But you mentioned the relationship with Rob, and

0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Rob had has played me some old tapes of when

0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>he was in Detroit, and I said, hey, you have

0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 1>the ship that's on this tape you could not get

0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:29.560
<v Speaker 1>away with. Now. Is there anything that comes to mind,

0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:32.679
<v Speaker 1>whether're working with him or anybody else that you thought like,

0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't bring that up now because I get pulled

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.639
<v Speaker 1>right from the radio station. Well, we crossed the We

0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:42.160
<v Speaker 1>danced across the line a couple of times in a minute,

0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:44.360
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna tell you about the night and Rob

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:47.119
<v Speaker 1>was some dirt of that night. Rob. Rob had begun

0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:50.159
<v Speaker 1>a pretty a pretty big career in earnest with the

0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Four Letter Network. So but on November nineteen, two thousand

0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:55.879
<v Speaker 1>and four, there was a little thing Detroit called a

0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:58.679
<v Speaker 1>mouse at the Palace. I was there. We covered the

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:03.119
<v Speaker 1>game from the a concourse, Mark Wilson and I. But

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:07.199
<v Speaker 1>before that, there's one thing, and I can't mention this

0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 1>guy's name for obvious reasons, but I happen to be

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.320
<v Speaker 1>in Vegas in July and say of two thousand seven,

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:15.719
<v Speaker 1>and I'm getting out an elevator. I'm getting off an

0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 1>elevator in one particular starting offensive lineman for the Detroit

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 1>and with getting off the elevator, and he had his

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.920
<v Speaker 1>arm around two females and they you know, it might

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 1>not have been his wife. It looks at me, and

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 1>I looked at him and said, this is between us, right,

0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 1>And I said that day I was in Chicago that day.

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know nothing. I'll tell you guys name off

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:40.640
<v Speaker 1>the air sometime, but I can't tell you his name

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 1>on the ear. But back to the malice at the Palace.

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 1>It's the most incredible story because none knows the backstory

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:51.360
<v Speaker 1>guys that that the Indiana Pacers were coached by Rick

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Carlisle and he'd been unceremoniously fired by the Pistons the

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 1>year before. He was angry and they brought him Larry Brown,

0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 1>and so you have revenge on his mind. And they

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 1>were leaving that game by about thirty three points. And

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 1>you remember that the Pacers had one, I think sixty

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:10.639
<v Speaker 1>games the year before, but I know four of the

0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Pistons knocked them off in the conference semifinals and Casehaun

0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:16.879
<v Speaker 1>Prince had that famous block and they were supposed to

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 1>win that series either. So Indiana comes to town spitting venom.

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:23.399
<v Speaker 1>Rick Carlisle's man. The whole team is man. That was

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 1>a great team, Jamal Tinsley, Uh, you know, draw on

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 1>our test, the whole deal and when that cup came

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.479
<v Speaker 1>full until we let me back up, when Bennel Wallas

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.439
<v Speaker 1>was filed by around our tests and he shoved him

0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.639
<v Speaker 1>and our tests ran over late on the table and

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 1>an empty beer cup. Never people always tell the story wrong.

0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a beer. It was an empty beer cup

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 1>landing on our test hands and he went up on

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 1>the stand. That scene was so surreal. I don't know

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:50.919
<v Speaker 1>if I can do it justice. I would take me

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 1>a four hour or till the whole story. But I'll

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:54.440
<v Speaker 1>tell you one little rooming detail. But no one ever

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 1>talks about all of the referees on the floor that night.

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:03.679
<v Speaker 1>Tim donaghe wow. Uh. And I was at Bernie. I

0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 1>was that here at Fox Sports Radio after that game,

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>we were doing the overnight and uh, that's all we

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:12.040
<v Speaker 1>talked about. We did like we tried to use the

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 1>brewery film style coverage, breaking it down frame by frame.

0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 1>It is right up there with my top moments. And

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't even there. You were there, You were lucky

0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:22.720
<v Speaker 1>enough to be there. But I was just watching on

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.439
<v Speaker 1>TV and I couldn't believe what I was watching. I was.

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>I was like, it wasn't it like a Friday night

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. And it was a Friday night

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 1>ESPN game. It was a Friday night at uh. And

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the reason that I I remembered so well is our show

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 1>from seven to eleven PM, and we were going to

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 1>our final break to sign off, and I walked to

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 1>the concourse into you know, look at the game and

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:49.680
<v Speaker 1>see what's going on. You know, it's a miracle because

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.679
<v Speaker 1>it precisely that moment Ben Wallis was going in for

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 1>a meaningless layup, and that's when Artest Foblem and everything

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 1>broke loose. We had about a four minute break. I

0:27:58.040 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 1>watched as much as I could, and I ran back

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:01.360
<v Speaker 1>to the micat You're not gonna believe what's happening here,

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:03.919
<v Speaker 1>and and then you know, as as they say, the

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:07.479
<v Speaker 1>rest is history. And that game set back the Indiana

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:10.200
<v Speaker 1>piece or franchise I think ten years. I mean there

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>were five million dollars in fines idiot games missed. You know,

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 1>it ruined their season. The Pistons ended up making it

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 1>back to the files that you're losing to the San

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Antonio Spurts and seven games thanks the big shot, Bob.

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.919
<v Speaker 1>But the funny thing is is that the Malice at

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 1>the Palace has become one of those infamous stories that

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 1>everybody seems to know about. And last Novelber nineteenth, which

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 1>was the fifteen year anniversary, I asked to go on

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>several shows. But I can imagine what it must have

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 1>looked like from your in Ben as well, because you've

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 1>you've pretty much seen it on the world of sports.

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 1>But how do you describe that when you're watching it. Yeah,

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>it was crazy. He reminded me a little bit of

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you remember. This is often forgotten

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers in I think it was the year two thousand.

0:28:56.200 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 1>We're in Chicago and somebody stole one of the I

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 1>think it was one of the pictures hats Catcher's hat,

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Catcher's hats. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So that was my

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 1>That was my thought because I was actually with the

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Dodgers when we went back. I wasn't with him on

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>that trip, but when we went back to Chicago and

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 1>they had like extra security because they were those big,

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>mean cub fans, We're gonna mess with the Dodgers and

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 1>stuff because they were That was their first trip back

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>since that happened. But that was the closest And I

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 1>don't even think that's a good comp to tell what

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>that that is so un unpressing. I mean, there there

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 1>have been situations where maybe one or two guys went

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 1>in the crowd. We've all heard those stories of the years,

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe back in the early days of baseball, or even

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 1>more recently with Verdon Maxwell or Tony Phillips, the baseball

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>player that win the crowd in Milwaukee have to have

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 1>half the team. And remember Jermaine O'Neil throwing that haymaker.

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>I thought he killed the guy Germaine on neil with

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:53.719
<v Speaker 1>that punch. So that night in the mouth in the palace,

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the punch he

0:29:58.120 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 1>threw the guy that came on the court and he

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 1>through the punch was just there was left foot head

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 1>and slipped on some sort of moisture on the floor.

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 1>He would have killed the guy. If you go back

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 1>and watched the film's left foot slips. It's like a

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>kicker when your pivot foot slips. And he was unable

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>to really launch. But yeah, you remember that's pretty good detail. Yeah,

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 1>that was amazing, Bernie, real quick and for you and

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Ben to the catcher was was Chad Cruder with the Dodgers.

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you guys remember him, but remember, no, no,

0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I remember. Listen, he that Chad Cruder. Let me tell

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>you something, all right, that blankety blank, I was sitting

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 1>in the press box at Dodger Stave. He he hits

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 1>a foul ball and he hit my laptop and destroyed

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>my laptop in the press box at Dodger Stadium. And

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.120
<v Speaker 1>then I. I was all pissed, you know, because I'm

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 1>a struggling radio guy and I can't I I asked

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:49.719
<v Speaker 1>the diet. I said, you gotta pay for this, you know.

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>And at the time, I was doing Dodger postgame stuff.

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 1>They had a big meeting and they decided after like

0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>five executives and the Dodgers got together. This is back

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 1>in the end of the O'Malley No I might no

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Omalley must have been going. It must have been the

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Foxox the Fox here and uh they got together and

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 1>they said, oh, sorry, bet you're on your own head.

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 1>You know. One of the things that I enjoy about

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 1>listening to your show and the guys Bryan Family can

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:21.160
<v Speaker 1>attest I'm I'm a radio junkie. Is then, because you

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 1>have have this rich history of l A sports, which

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>I can completely relate to because I grew up in

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:32.560
<v Speaker 1>SoCal before I moved to Michigan. Um are the events

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 1>that have marked at marked times in l A sports history.

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 1>And herego I'm going with this, guys. I've loved this odd, idiosyncratic,

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 1>unexplainable life that I had been at these sporting events

0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 1>and odd things have happened, and I guy local writer

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>here who just retired Norm Clark. He was like Las

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Vegas version of Ron the archer um will article about me,

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's out there somewhere. I'm gonna give you an example.

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Ben December ninth, nineteen seventy seven. The Floor. I'm there,

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Rudy tom Janovich is punched by current Washington And my

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>biggest takeaway is when Kermit said Rudy's head at the floor,

0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:13.480
<v Speaker 1>it sounded like someone dropping a bowling ball from six

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>bat because I had I in turn at the Forum

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 1>for four years. July of nineteen seventy four, I'm at

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 1>a baseball camp at pepper Dyne. The coaches take us

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 1>out to this game at Dodger Stadium. I see Tommy

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 1>John walking off the mound holding his left shoulder. That's

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 1>the game that hurt his arm and ended up getting

0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>Tommy John surgery. The other night, Jason Smith and Mike Carmen,

0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the Miracle Bowl. December nineteenth, nineteen eighty

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 1>B y U and S m U. We're b y

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>U trail forty five to twenty five with five minutes

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 1>to go, fourth and five Lazella where Edwards b y

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Us coach tried to send the punt team on the field.

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>McMahon yells at him and said, get the f off

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 1>the field, and b y U scores three more touchdowns

0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 1>and beats Craig Jans and out Dickerson. I'll is at

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 1>that game. I've been recruited to play baseball b while

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 1>year two years earlier and made funs with a bunch

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 1>of the guys. I didn't go there, And I'm right

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 1>behind the bench and I'm looking at this and saying,

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 1>we just we're about to have the forty year anniversary

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 1>of this game. And I remember, like yesterday, all three

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 1>of those events took place in California. And then you

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>had in situations like, well, the what I just told

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>you about, the mouse in the Palace, how about a

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 1>sixty band octour of eighty six, the Donnie Moore game.

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm got one foot all the rail and Dave Henderson

0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 1>hits the home run, the ball goes up and the

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 1>sky stays up in the sky fifteen minutes and comes

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 1>down on the end of the side of the fence.

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Three months later, Donnie Moore kills himself. So I could

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 1>go out all day about that. But one of the

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 1>reasons I had brought it up. Is because when you

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 1>reference some of those l a historical perspective takes you have,

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely relate to them. And I'm like a little

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 1>kid looking through the fence saying this is cool. Yeah, well,

0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>we both appreciate the great Jim Healey, the radio guy.

0:33:58.240 --> 0:33:59.959
<v Speaker 1>That's one of the reasons Bernie I got in the race.

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>You I loved the Jim Healy radio show and I

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>thought he was amazing and all the drops and they

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 1>weren't even dropping, they were they had carts, you know,

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 1>back in those days in radio, you had these big,

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 1>bulky carts and it was so good, and I I

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:16.360
<v Speaker 1>loved every day, you know, five thirty and then the

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 1>dread the dreaded six o'clock tone that would be played.

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:22.439
<v Speaker 1>And there's a website that still has all the old

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Healy clips on it, and there's some YouTube videos of

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.319
<v Speaker 1>people because people who didn't live in l A or

0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, young people have no idea who the hell

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Jim Healy is because he's been gone for a while.

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>But you remember Jim Healy when he got he got

0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 1>a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and they

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 1>had this big ceremony, right it was a big deal.

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I just started in radio at the time, so and

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't go. I was working in San Diego. Uh

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 1>but as I remember the story, uh, that was the

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:52.960
<v Speaker 1>day that Magic Johnson announced he was HIV positive and

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 1>so all the media that was gonna be covering this

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Jim Healy thing all had to leave to go to

0:34:57.360 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the Forum because they had a press conference. And that

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>was like one a big I'm a stunning story, right,

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 1>it was Oh my god, I remember how crazy that

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:06.320
<v Speaker 1>was at the time. But that's uh, that was the

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 1>day that Jim Healy had his star on the Hollywood

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Walk of Faith and his kid his kids. Yes, yeah, yeah,

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:17.239
<v Speaker 1>I worked with Hacksaw. I interned with hacks and think

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, I'm gonna say that's probably issue

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:24.920
<v Speaker 1>you're what you're talking about that vintage there, and of

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>course those are really some of the real golden days

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.800
<v Speaker 1>of of l A radio. I mean, if you were driving,

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 1>if we all know him, the traffic in l A

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 1>is what it is, and that's what sustained me. And

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I would listen to Heally and I listened you know

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 1>who could forget has? All? Right? Okay, San Diego, let's

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 1>get back on the jam pack four line. Ratuel Pascadis

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:49.120
<v Speaker 1>first time calling. Might stay here from you. You could

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 1>disagree with me, but you'd be wrong. But Roally we

0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 1>got it over the hockey line. I mean that was

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:56.239
<v Speaker 1>our l a radio then and then he would come

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:59.719
<v Speaker 1>on and it was just thirty minutes of just pure bliss. Yeah,

0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:02.280
<v Speaker 1>it was great. It was I'll tell you a funny story, Bernie.

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>When I first actually, as I looked back at the timeline,

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 1>I was not working in radio at the time the

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Healy thing happened, but I was still in school. But

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.759
<v Speaker 1>then when later on, when I got into radio a

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 1>couple years after that, and I was going to these

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:18.400
<v Speaker 1>games in the in the press box and stuff, and

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:23.799
<v Speaker 1>I I met Stud Nahan and I, yeah, exactly. And

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 1>every time I saw ste May he Rest in peace.

0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 1>He was in the press dining room eating and I

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 1>was just laughing because the Jim Healey Show used to play, uh, yeah,

0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:34.839
<v Speaker 1>as you said, the drop, so they called them silver

0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 1>tips stew and all that. It was. It was hilarious

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.880
<v Speaker 1>because it was always, uh, you know, freeloaders update and

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 1>all that, and uh, it was quite it was quite impressive.

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned Norm Clark Bernie and I, you know,

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:48.640
<v Speaker 1>I know Norm a little bit. I actually I I

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 1>had a meal with him years ago in Vegas when

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 1>I was doing my website, my gossip site, and he

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:57.240
<v Speaker 1>was like to go to any any for years, anything

0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 1>in Vegas. You know, he was the page s He

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:04.320
<v Speaker 1>was the TMZ of Vegas. And you know what the catchphrase,

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the marketing phrase, and it happens in Vegas and stays

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:09.919
<v Speaker 1>in Vegas. Well not if, not if Norm found out?

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Not if Norm found out? And uh he was he

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:15.359
<v Speaker 1>was so good and and as I'm sure you know too,

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 1>he was a baseball wasn't He worked for the associate

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 1>He told me the story. He worked for the press.

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:22.719
<v Speaker 1>He didn't he went many years from Denver. You come

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 1>to town and we'll we'll grab Norman. I have dinner

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>onund me. Norm is a great guy, a wonderful guy.

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Was a black eye patch the Norman. I became friends

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and twelve, purely diaccident, because well those

0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:39.760
<v Speaker 1>years Ben we were I was doing a radio show

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and Kell Polly San Luis Obispo got a bid for

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:47.239
<v Speaker 1>the Big Dance in the NT Tournament. And this guy

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>calls in and says, who were I don't known? In

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 1>the bottom I said, that's all you need to know

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:53.880
<v Speaker 1>about him. It's in nineteen seventy six. They're starting shortstop

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:56.960
<v Speaker 1>on the baseball team was Ozzy Smith and the starting

0:37:57.040 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 1>right fielder with Danny Gams, who I'm sure you know.

0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:01.959
<v Speaker 1>Ben had a great show. You're in Vegas for many years.

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Got risted his soul as well, and Norman heard that

0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:06.680
<v Speaker 1>on the year called me. We became friends and said

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>that's some that's some pretty good minutia there, because he

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:11.799
<v Speaker 1>knew that right. But you're right, normal was the go to.

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, when Britney Spirits was married for fifty hours,

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:15.879
<v Speaker 1>she called him and said, I want you to call

0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:18.759
<v Speaker 1>I've read a comments at the Record Street. Wow it's

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 1>pretty good, Bernie, I I was reading online. Did you

0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 1>play minor league baseball? Is that right back in the days?

0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Or yeah? I did silent a Sincina where as Larry

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:31.319
<v Speaker 1>Barton Senior signed me. He since passed away. They might

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.759
<v Speaker 1>have shot him. There's a short lived career. Back in

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:35.919
<v Speaker 1>the day. I had I end up having done chips

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>on my elbow and had trouble hitting a slider. But yeah,

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.319
<v Speaker 1>I did I did? I played? Yep, I had a

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:44.239
<v Speaker 1>great inficincinator re organization. Did you spent a year or

0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:47.239
<v Speaker 1>two years? Or what is seven games? What are you

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 1>seven games? You're like Moonlight Graham a little bit right,

0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 1>you know the mood like? And uh and did you

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.239
<v Speaker 1>play with anybody that made it? Did any of the guy? Oh?

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 1>My goodness? Well as certainly ant more. In college, I

0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 1>played with Tim Flannery and Marty Cass studio J Petty

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Bone played against everybody in southern California made it. And

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 1>then in the organization played a bit with Eddie Milner,

0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Paul Householder, um, and uh see Dave Van Gorder um.

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>And then what's interesting is is then back in the day,

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:16.960
<v Speaker 1>they used to have these winner teams, and and Larry

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Barton Jr. Put together this winner team and we would

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 1>play colleges on weekends. We go to USC and play

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.840
<v Speaker 1>a doubleheader. You go to Cypress College and play a doubleheader.

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:26.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they do that anymore, but this

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 1>is we're talking. This is nineteen seventy nine, and all

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:34.399
<v Speaker 1>the right before spring training, a lot of the big

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:36.479
<v Speaker 1>leaguers would come out and work out with us. So

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Davy Collins came out, Eric Davis came out with Actually

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 1>no excuse was before Eric Dave this his time. He

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 1>might have he went in the big league yet though,

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 1>But I caught Frank past story for three intings. One day,

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.240
<v Speaker 1>I caught Mike Lacrosse. They'd come out when they get ready.

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't talk about it much because it comes off

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 1>like Al Bundy, you know, and or it comes I

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 1>come off like you don't want to come off like

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Uncle Rico in uh Napoleon nine of Mike. You know,

0:39:58.320 --> 0:39:59.960
<v Speaker 1>you could have won the championship back in eighty two.

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 1>No one cares, but yes I did. Well, that's this

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 1>is that's interesting man, that's that's cool. You know who

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 1>also didn't make it in the minor leagues. With Scott Morris,

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 1>who has become the greatest agent of all time. I used,

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 1>he's yeah, I know, it's been an afternoon with him.

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 1>There's actually a picture. I mean, I finally put it on.

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:20.520
<v Speaker 1>What happened was back there in the last band. Um.

0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:23.280
<v Speaker 1>I'll remember when Michael Jordan's signed with the Burningham Barons.

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:25.719
<v Speaker 1>And I'm telling you Ben and I know you guys

0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 1>know sports as well as anybody. If you go to

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:29.919
<v Speaker 1>a double A and hit two or two. You got

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:31.800
<v Speaker 1>some jump in your trump. People will realize that what

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 1>a good level of baseball it is. I'm shocked looking

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:37.319
<v Speaker 1>at Jordan's swing and the way he transferred is way

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 1>too quick and it was really armed. How did he

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:41.760
<v Speaker 1>too too, I meaning, even hit a couple of home runs.

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.279
<v Speaker 1>The only thing that Jordan did that I liked was

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 1>he went first to third like a meniac. However, he

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:51.840
<v Speaker 1>was such an incredible competitor. Ron Schouler said, if he

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:54.319
<v Speaker 1>hadn't gone back to the NBA in their administrate, he

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 1>probably would have gotten September call up. But anyway, uh,

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 1>some guy to do that, I mean, said Jordan saw

0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:03.719
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't play it. That's not fair, that's not fair.

0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 1>He he competed. If it neverould have been any Kazinsky,

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 1>he never would have signed because he didn't have any

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 1>one tool that made you love him. But he could compete,

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I said. But having said that, I still think I

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>would have beaten Michael Jordan at home on Derby contest,

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:18.480
<v Speaker 1>and I stand by that. And then I sent him

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 1>a picture of me. You can go to my Twitter

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 1>account on the right. You'll see a picture of me

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 1>in a Tampa tropons since NAID uniform the longer held

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 1>there in a pressure looking faith and then I put

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:32.879
<v Speaker 1>a picture of me up there and still that's enough

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:34.920
<v Speaker 1>of that. I guess that's enough of that, he Bernie.

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you because you mentioned Vegas earlier,

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:40.759
<v Speaker 1>with what's going on? What's the climate like? Because you know,

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 1>we've all talked about sports eventually returning back in full form,

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:46.719
<v Speaker 1>and now the NFL is king and you know Ben

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.359
<v Speaker 1>and I have have have done some other things with

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:52.240
<v Speaker 1>with Benny versus a penny. We're doing some streaming live now.

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 1>But there's a ton of dudes that are putting money

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:57.919
<v Speaker 1>and and good action on these on these NFL games,

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 1>whether it's on Thursday and football or just then affairs.

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 1>So have you seen any kind of uptick or is

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 1>everything else pretty much the same in terms of of

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 1>action across the gambling lines. Yeah, it's a good questions.

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 1>So it's not where it was last year at this point,

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 1>they're still done about but it's far above what they

0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 1>thought it would be coming out of COVID. Uh. The

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 1>handles on games have been extremely healthy. Um a lot

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.560
<v Speaker 1>of people betting and one of the things, and it's

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:29.480
<v Speaker 1>not just Vegas, guys. One of the things that has

0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 1>really um enhanced the impact of sports bidding in general

0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:37.879
<v Speaker 1>is legalized sports betting, as you know, may passed by

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 1>the Professional Amateur Sports Protection Act of was overturned and

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 1>since then, the hipocritical Roger Goodell, who wouldn't even take

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Vegas is advertising money back in the Super Bowl thirty

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:52.560
<v Speaker 1>eight two thousand four, I mean in the NFL and

0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:55.240
<v Speaker 1>their teams are from twenty eight marketing and data sharing

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 1>partnerships with various enterprises. Eighteen states are now legal for

0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.120
<v Speaker 1>more states have ratified it, they just don't have the

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:05.719
<v Speaker 1>brick and mortar set up yet or the app technology

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:09.759
<v Speaker 1>set up. In seven other states have legislation. So to

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:13.919
<v Speaker 1>answer your question, uh, thirty three million people in one

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>form of fashion that on an NFL game last Sunday,

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:19.960
<v Speaker 1>and here in Vegas. If you come to town during

0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 1>football and walk into a even though the social distancing

0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 1>is a little different and the way the books are

0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:28.320
<v Speaker 1>set up now are following protocols and people are wearing masks.

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 1>If you were never here before, you would never know

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 1>the difference. The traffic is robust, the betting on the

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:36.799
<v Speaker 1>game is heavy, and I mean heavy, heavy betting on

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the game last Thursday along there's a there's always big bets, right.

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:42.920
<v Speaker 1>A guy put a hundred and ten thousand on the

0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Chiefs minus nine and a half at the Mirage. Another

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 1>guy put a hundred thousand on the under a fifty

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 1>three and a half at Aria, and you saw Atlanta

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 1>on fifty four. So there are big bets. You've got

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:56.279
<v Speaker 1>the US open and then you brought up a good point.

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 1>What was it like during COVID, Well, believe it or not,

0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 1>even in the casinos were shut down on the sports

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:05.920
<v Speaker 1>books were shut down for seventy six days, people could

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 1>still bet on apps and about six of all betters

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 1>in Vegas now that through their app. And back in

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:16.720
<v Speaker 1>March and April they were stuck with Korean baseball, Russian

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Ping Pong Boom, This League, Soccer UFC. But even in

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:23.840
<v Speaker 1>spite of that, people were still looking for action and

0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:26.239
<v Speaker 1>they were still betting, even though the four majors weren't back.

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:29.959
<v Speaker 1>Now that they're all back, it's Bonker's now, Bernie. Can't

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 1>we set a line in Vegas for when a certain

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 1>guy will throw up after he eats bull testicles. Well,

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:41.719
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing people always ask, you know, what is

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Vegas say about the election? What is Vegas say about

0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 1>the Academy Awards. There's a simple rule here in Vegas,

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:51.800
<v Speaker 1>in the Gaming Commission's bylines. It's got to be in

0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:54.280
<v Speaker 1>a box score. Uh, there's got to be a final

0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:57.280
<v Speaker 1>result in the box score. Because if anybody can control

0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:00.520
<v Speaker 1>the outcome, or anybody if an outco them could be

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:04.080
<v Speaker 1>predetermined by someone's information, you can't get it. Now, that's funny.

0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Maybe somebody will get to something like that, right, but

0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 1>they're not. No regulated gaming establishment would set a line

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 1>on something like that. Offshore, sure, why not? You can

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<v Speaker 1>do just about you know, you go to some of

0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:18.680
<v Speaker 1>these offshore sites which I'm sure you've heard of, you know,

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Pinnacle and Bovada and such that you can bet all

0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:23.720
<v Speaker 1>kinds of stuff on that. But here going to regulate

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<v Speaker 1>with considered a regulated market, it's got to be in

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<v Speaker 1>a box score. Well, and Bernie, there's no reason to

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<v Speaker 1>put a line. There's a hundred percent. I'm gonna do it.

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:32.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen. I'm gonna eat

0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:35.239
<v Speaker 1>the damn bol test. He goes my my wife's going

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 1>out to the butcher shop because I'm told you can

0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:40.040
<v Speaker 1>get those at a butcher shop. Who knew that a

0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:42.840
<v Speaker 1>butcher shop, any butcher shop supposedly has those. But so

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm gonna pick those up and I will

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I guarantee I'm gonna make a YouTube video. I

0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:49.400
<v Speaker 1>can't get to Denver obviously because of COVID and all this.

0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm not traveling anywhere. But when when I eat, these

0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:55.319
<v Speaker 1>people are gonna claim that they're not what they are,

0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 1>that I'm I'm faking it or not. But I guarantee you,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm gonna eat one. That's all. I'm meeting Bernie.

0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 1>One bull testicle. I don't need to one, and then

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.439
<v Speaker 1>that's it, And so I don't. I'm gonna get crap

0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:11.080
<v Speaker 1>for it. But strew all the haters. It's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>If not this weekend, it's gonna happen in the next

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks. And I I'm not sure if we'll

0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 1>be able to get it done this weekend, but we're

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:20.279
<v Speaker 1>gonna try. So it's gonna happen. But if I could

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<v Speaker 1>share something worthy, I'm sure you know Hank Goldberg right

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 1>hammeron Hank, you know, yeah, Miami language. Yeah. So he

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 1>moved to Vegas two or three years ago. And I

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:29.839
<v Speaker 1>don't Hank pretty well, and I've been on a couple

0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:31.799
<v Speaker 1>of betting panels with him. I like him, and I'm

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:34.439
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure I got his phone number and I'll get

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 1>it to you, because we did. We did a seminar

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 1>here at SS the station, UH two years ago of

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:47.240
<v Speaker 1>NFL preview, and we all had dinner afterward, and Frank asked,

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:49.479
<v Speaker 1>Hank asked me a couple of questions about Detroit because

0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:51.879
<v Speaker 1>I spent seventeen years there. Actually I was born there.

0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Then we moved to California. My mom actually went to

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:57.280
<v Speaker 1>University of Michigan. But here's what I'm going with this, Hankers,

0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:00.239
<v Speaker 1>I have one distinct memory of Detroit. I was down

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 1>toomp somewhere blah blah blah back in the mid seven

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:05.800
<v Speaker 1>He's I went to this restaurant and it's allegedly served

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.360
<v Speaker 1>bull testicles, and I ordered them and had them, and

0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:12.759
<v Speaker 1>I go, how were they? They're little tough. I don't

0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:18.560
<v Speaker 1>think that it up. So we gotta get connected. Well, Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I I was reading online, Bernie, because I have no

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<v Speaker 1>life of like how to properly prepare the bull testicles,

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 1>and so you gotta like take the vein out, which

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 1>sounds disgusting, and then you gotta cut it thin. My

0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:32.759
<v Speaker 1>my buddy Bob, who does radio in Kansas City, Hughes

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:34.839
<v Speaker 1>had him. He said, you gotta come thin, and then

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.320
<v Speaker 1>you gotta bread them and deep prium. So my theory

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:41.960
<v Speaker 1>is if I cut them thin, I bred them and

0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:44.040
<v Speaker 1>it's like eating a chicken nugget and then I just

0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:46.319
<v Speaker 1>dip it in barbecue sauce. How bad could that be?

0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:50.200
<v Speaker 1>It can't be that bad, right, it's gotta be okay. Well,

0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:52.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm with you. I think maybe throw a little a

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:54.719
<v Speaker 1>one or catch up on it. And then, you know,

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.359
<v Speaker 1>I've always said, no matter what, you put a one on,

0:47:57.440 --> 0:47:58.920
<v Speaker 1>it tastes like a one. You know, he put it

0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 1>on a boot, taste like a once. So well, throw

0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:02.000
<v Speaker 1>a little late one on there. And no one said

0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:05.080
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't do that, right then? Yeah, exactly, See that's

0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:07.799
<v Speaker 1>there were no real rules on this. There's no real

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:09.760
<v Speaker 1>rules on this. It's just that I have to consume

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the bull testicle. How I consume the bull testicle, that

0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:16.520
<v Speaker 1>is a different situation. That's a different all right. Listen, Bernie,

0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:20.200
<v Speaker 1>I love you man. Continued success. You're dominating their Saturday nights.

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Everyone needs to listen to to you if you haven't

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:25.840
<v Speaker 1>heard Bernie show straight out of Vegas. And remember the

0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:30.320
<v Speaker 1>most important number in gambling, right, Bernie, fifty two point

0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:33.839
<v Speaker 1>four Right, isn't that the most important number? Yeah, there's

0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:36.520
<v Speaker 1>a man with knowledge. If you that's your break even point.

0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Because if you can win more than fifty two point

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 1>four percent of your games, you you can be profitable.

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:46.480
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly right. Then, Yeah, you gotta make money. It's

0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:48.880
<v Speaker 1>all about making money, all right, Bernie, Thank you man,

0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it. Pleasure being with you, guys, Thank you

0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:54.759
<v Speaker 1>very much. Thanks. Be sure to catch live editions of

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