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Speaker 1: Ben Maller starts right now that it is well, come
Speaker 1: into the beginning of the Fifth Hour with Ben Masse.
Speaker 1: My name is on the marquee there because four hours
Speaker 1: are not and off and we now do this thing
Speaker 1: eight days a week. The question is will we continue
Speaker 1: to do it eight days a week and obviously spin
Speaker 1: off of the radio show. But you've found it, you've
Speaker 1: downloaded it, you subscribed, you've told your friends, you've told
Speaker 1: your enemies about it, and we welcome in. It's it
Speaker 1: is a gas bag chat, a chat with our friend podcast.
Speaker 1: We'll get to him in a second. We welcome in
Speaker 1: David Gascon from West of the four or five I
Speaker 1: have in front of a studio audience here and wonderful
Speaker 1: Sherman Oaks, California. It is interesting that you are able
Speaker 1: to get that particular SoundBite. But I don't really get
Speaker 1: any drops. I don't get any rim shots. I don't
Speaker 1: get any applause, any laughter, any of that. It's a
Speaker 1: pretty good job of, you know, patting yourself on the back,
Speaker 1: you know, making it all about you, as you know
Speaker 1: liquently said, uh, it's all about you during your shows. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I was the Tom Looney school of radio. That's not
Speaker 1: my school of radio. But I did take advantage of
Speaker 1: a situation that was bad and turned in into a positive.
Speaker 1: Because anything that you learned that after he gave you
Speaker 1: advice on how to invest in the real estate market
Speaker 1: and that turned out to be a dudd you'd stop
Speaker 1: listening to him. But here we are in the month
Speaker 1: of September and appears to be no slowing down. You
Speaker 1: and Tom Leney, Well listen, I don't actually talk to
Speaker 1: Looney much. We text, which is not really talking, it's texting,
Speaker 1: and we go back and forth in that. But uh,
Speaker 1: but he is wrong about everything, certainly as politics are
Speaker 1: all messed up. So we go back and forth on
Speaker 1: that but enough enough about me. Oh wait a minute,
Speaker 1: Wait a minute. We have Gascon tonight if you're listening
Speaker 1: anytime early in the day on Friday, this podcast, the
Speaker 1: Friday Podcast. We made our maiden voyage last week. We
Speaker 1: did Benny versus the Penny YouTube stars YouTube stars only
Speaker 1: on the YouTube and it went better than I expected.
Speaker 1: There were only limited mistakes by you um and people
Speaker 1: seem to enjoy it, and we had a live crowd
Speaker 1: that was interacting with the show on the chat on YouTube.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun and more importantly, we won.
Speaker 1: At least I won on my my bet, so we
Speaker 1: came out ahead, which is the most important thing. And
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it again tonight, same situation on the YouTube,
Speaker 1: and it is at nine o'clock Pacific on Friday, which
Speaker 1: is midnight Eastern. That's the Witching Hour. Guestcount. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be on on the Witching Hour on the East Coast.
Speaker 1: We'll do it live, so that'll be fun. I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to will pick every NFL game from the weekend
Speaker 1: card against the spread. We'll have winners on every single
Speaker 1: game and we will attempt again to win some money
Speaker 1: and the and the best part is is is we
Speaker 1: will unveil something a little special for for those that
Speaker 1: are actually watching the uh the stream too. So you
Speaker 1: and I had talked about this for the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks and it's a little give back to to
Speaker 1: those are participating in in the broadcast tonight. So what
Speaker 1: do we give? What are we giving them? Um? You
Speaker 1: know it's it's something that has to I'll give him
Speaker 1: a hand. It has something to do with your Iowa
Speaker 1: Hawkeye hat. Oh yes, all right, well I have you.
Speaker 1: I wore that the other night the Iowa hawk Eye had.
Speaker 1: It's good looking at that's good looking at. So I
Speaker 1: took some notes from from the first broadcast because I
Speaker 1: know that typically when you go on the air, you
Speaker 1: don't wanna you don't want to listen to what happened
Speaker 1: after when it's all said and done. So, um, I
Speaker 1: have fourth wall, Christmas and economy. Those are the three
Speaker 1: things I like. I like that you're doing monolog that's
Speaker 1: because typical West of the four or five. Absolutely, and
Speaker 1: love with breaking the fourth wall, like that that live
Speaker 1: feed with with viewers typing in comments, you could not
Speaker 1: get away from. It was like a kid in the
Speaker 1: fucking candy still it was like your first Christmas unwrapping
Speaker 1: a nice g I Joe or Transformer, and you were
Speaker 1: just fixated on it until you broke it. Like the
Speaker 1: broadcast went nearly two hours, which you didn't give me
Speaker 1: any credit for because I helped you through that two
Speaker 1: hour fast that you needed to complete. And then on
Speaker 1: top of that, you said, this thing is gonna suck.
Speaker 1: I know it's not gonna be good, it will not
Speaker 1: be technically savvy. And then all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: got to flame Mignon as opposed to you know bull.
Speaker 1: But a couple of things. First of all, I like
Speaker 1: that you made this all about you and just to
Speaker 1: celebrate yourself, which is which is good. And as far
Speaker 1: as the chat uh a, it was unexpected, so I
Speaker 1: didn't expect that to be an option, so I didn't
Speaker 1: think we'd have any real time feedback and and be
Speaker 1: it kept me from having to just focus on you.
Speaker 1: I could focus on other things, which is good. That's good.
Speaker 1: And see this is the difference again, you are proving
Speaker 1: yourself what's as not being a man of the people.
Speaker 1: I am a man of the people, and I like
Speaker 1: to interact with the unwashed. You do not uh, you
Speaker 1: think these people are below you, the riff raff right,
Speaker 1: and all those scum and the lowest common denomena and
Speaker 1: all the mean things you say about the Mallard militia.
Speaker 1: You call them vermin and rodents and all that. But
Speaker 1: these are my people. These are my people. There. I
Speaker 1: like hanging out with the peasants. I like hanging out
Speaker 1: with the hoi poloi and all that, and uh, you
Speaker 1: know these are my guys. Well, I mean, like you,
Speaker 1: like you said, is that if you're performing, which this
Speaker 1: is a performance, there's a there's a stage, and then
Speaker 1: there's an audience. And you never have the stage and
Speaker 1: the audience run parallel to each other. Usually one is
Speaker 1: on top of the other or vice versa. So I
Speaker 1: think in this point the audience is behind the stage
Speaker 1: of what we're doing virtually. So if you don't mind
Speaker 1: for the future, let's temper this down a little bit,
Speaker 1: because you know we've got business schedules here, and I
Speaker 1: know you've got two hours to spare when you're at
Speaker 1: home doing shows from your bed and and broadcasts. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: not in my bed. I mean a professional radio studio
Speaker 1: which has top notch equipment. I have better equipment than
Speaker 1: i'd say five percent of the sports radio stations that
Speaker 1: are all raggedy and all that. So so uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I I've been to a few radio stations.
Speaker 1: I've been blown away. I remember one in Oklahoma. In Norman, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: I went to a radio station there because I had
Speaker 1: to record something. I was there for a college football game,
Speaker 1: and the radio station was at the transmitter site and
Speaker 1: it was like a portable like when I was in school,
Speaker 1: in elementary school, you know, I had those portables out
Speaker 1: in the back of the school. It was the radio
Speaker 1: station was in that Like, oh my god. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is my profession here and I but then you
Speaker 1: go to like New York or l A and then
Speaker 1: these big massive skyscrapers and you've got show showcase studios
Speaker 1: and all that. But there's more radio stations like the
Speaker 1: one that was at the transmitter in Norman, Oklahoma, in
Speaker 1: a little portable building than there are other places. But
Speaker 1: then I don't beat the knocking the home studio. I
Speaker 1: have great equipment here. I'm gonna upgrade the studio later
Speaker 1: this month. I got some things coming in here. They're
Speaker 1: gonna make it even better. So I'm all about that man,
Speaker 1: all about that action. That's good. We have one show
Speaker 1: in the book, we have another show tonight, and I
Speaker 1: think this is I think this is important because the
Speaker 1: more feedback the better, but also the the activity level,
Speaker 1: because we're gonna be giving some things back to the audience,
Speaker 1: so they need to be aware of like what's like.
Speaker 1: If you like what we're doing, great, there's ways to
Speaker 1: support that. But if you don't like some of the things,
Speaker 1: that make sure that you you voiced those through the
Speaker 1: live feed or through the comments section or even the
Speaker 1: podcast you can rate, you can subscribe, and then you
Speaker 1: can chime in as well. Because and I think what
Speaker 1: you're really saying is we need more people watching. I
Speaker 1: think that's what you're really say. I think we and
Speaker 1: the most effective advertising. Yes, and you know this, and
Speaker 1: this has always been my thing. I have no ad budget,
Speaker 1: there's no marketing budget zero. The most important thing is
Speaker 1: what I call guerrilla marketing, word of mouth advertising, and
Speaker 1: that that is I don't need billboards, I don't need tvmercials.
Speaker 1: They'd be nice radio commercials. I don't need any of that.
Speaker 1: But the real hype, the real advertising, is just you saying, hey,
Speaker 1: so and so this is this is one of the
Speaker 1: reasons this is important, like one of the cool things.
Speaker 1: Is one of the reasons that I Yelp is so
Speaker 1: popular and and and Amazon people buy products based on
Speaker 1: the reviews is because we value other people's opinion. Obviously
Speaker 1: it's human nature. But really, if people we know, right,
Speaker 1: people you know who are in your circle, not in
Speaker 1: my circle, but in your circle, your your family, your
Speaker 1: co workers, you go to school, people around you say hey,
Speaker 1: I got it. I got this thing on YouTube that's
Speaker 1: like kind of cool, but nobody knows about it. See
Speaker 1: that that adds some some drama their guest because and
Speaker 1: really nobody knows about this, right Well, it's not like
Speaker 1: lights camera action. It's like, all right, turn on the
Speaker 1: little dusty candle or you know, like the little candle
Speaker 1: and here we are. Yeah, which is fascinating to me
Speaker 1: because I don't know why you had a problem with
Speaker 1: my avatar picture that if nobody knows, what's the issue
Speaker 1: with you and my back I don't get that. No, listen,
Speaker 1: I think that's great. I know you use that on
Speaker 1: grinder and I think that's pretty cool there, and I
Speaker 1: know you've had success with that picture, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I just thought maybe it was unprofessional. How about that
Speaker 1: you have multiple pictures sent out to all these radio
Speaker 1: stations and their photo shot pictures of you. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: not photoshow. Those are just old pictures. Well there's one fat,
Speaker 1: there's one skinny, there's one and they so well the
Speaker 1: problem is, and if if you really hate me and
Speaker 1: want me to get fat again, tell tell scotch Aapiro
Speaker 1: and management of Fox Sports Radio to have a photo shoot,
Speaker 1: because I guarantee you I will gain eighty to a
Speaker 1: hundred pounds before said photo shoot. It happens almost every
Speaker 1: single time I've very rarely in radio do they do
Speaker 1: photo shoots for the talent. And I have timed it,
Speaker 1: I believe probably seven out of the eight times I've
Speaker 1: had to do those things over the years, roughly ball
Speaker 1: park figure. I have ballooned like a turkey before Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: Uh and it never ends. So uh, you know, whenever
Speaker 1: I'm lean and mean, very rarely do I get my
Speaker 1: photo taken for those photo shoots. So it's only when
Speaker 1: I'm fat. So then if we go, if you're on
Speaker 1: a video feed, then does that mean you can clean
Speaker 1: up a little bit? Can we get you, like in
Speaker 1: a suit and a tie or at least a dress
Speaker 1: shirt and rolled up sleeves. And you want me to
Speaker 1: dress up? Oh why not? It's better than being in pajamas.
Speaker 1: Look like No, I wore a nice T shirt. I
Speaker 1: had a cap. Again, I'm relatable. I engage with the people,
Speaker 1: all right, I engage. You're Johnny one note over there.
Speaker 1: Let me dress up here, I'm gonna look all I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be like Cramer from the CNBC, and I'll do that.
Speaker 1: And all the shots of the Speaker of the House
Speaker 1: this week, I saw that. I did see that. All right,
Speaker 1: we're going very long. This is an interview situation task
Speaker 1: on this is a chat. You're so long winded here.
Speaker 1: It's a bad job by you. You have buried the lead,
Speaker 1: my man. So we're excited we're gonna have here right now.
Speaker 1: He is standing by Bernie Fratto. You know him. He's
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio on Saturday nights, my old time.
Speaker 1: So I just one hour show Saturday nights, eleven pm
Speaker 1: in the West, two am in the east, straight out
Speaker 1: of Vegas, all the inside dirt, right in the middle
Speaker 1: of the weekend. So essentially, when you lose your ass
Speaker 1: on college football. You listen to Bernie. He gives us
Speaker 1: some info, some important info on what's gonna happen on
Speaker 1: Sunday in the NFL. So you can get your your
Speaker 1: your money back, conceivably get your money back and all that.
Speaker 1: So let's welcome in now. He's worked in radio and
Speaker 1: Detroit and uh, he's a soap cow guy, so he's
Speaker 1: he's lived an interesting life in the radio business. Let's
Speaker 1: give it up now for Bernie Fratto and Bernie, why
Speaker 1: don't we start with this, How the heck is that
Speaker 1: show doing? Then? Uh? And David first, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: It's going great. He's having my two year aniversary this
Speaker 1: week and donal looads have increased and uh, no one's
Speaker 1: tried to shoot me yet. But you're at eleven pm
Speaker 1: Saturday night, Pacific time, and it's a one hour show
Speaker 1: and the center piece of the show, and of course
Speaker 1: it's called Straight out of Vegas. The centerpiece of the
Speaker 1: show us of course sports betting. However, the content is
Speaker 1: a little bit more broad based and eclectic than that.
Speaker 1: I like to offer a journalistic commentary. I like to
Speaker 1: give insights. Uh, you know, give my cake as they say. Uh,
Speaker 1: it turns out that we're finding that about the people
Speaker 1: who listen to the show don't even bet. However, they
Speaker 1: like to hear what we're talking about and maybe have
Speaker 1: brightening rights over their friends and such, and we try
Speaker 1: to drop a lot of knowledge. We try to be
Speaker 1: keen observers have been at this a long time and
Speaker 1: I used to have a joke. You know, if you
Speaker 1: go to medical school and finished last in your class,
Speaker 1: they call you a doctor. If you go to betting
Speaker 1: school and finish last in your class, that might call
Speaker 1: your books. So we'd like to intertwine and common sense
Speaker 1: strategies as well, like money management and various things like that.
Speaker 1: So we tryd of make it a correct I guess
Speaker 1: we can then within the framework of being betting centric,
Speaker 1: because you know, people want to hear your opinions on
Speaker 1: games and events. Well and Bernie, uh, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: you are because you do a professional show. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I do an amateur show. So you don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about the crazy people that call up right and
Speaker 1: harass you on social media at that time and not
Speaker 1: because that that is a party time slot. Bernie. I
Speaker 1: know that downloads are good and all that, but in
Speaker 1: real time doing the show live at that time that
Speaker 1: is right in the middle of the weekend, and that
Speaker 1: is party central. And I know from years past, Bernie,
Speaker 1: that the people that are listening at that time live,
Speaker 1: they are feeling no pain, if you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: No doubt, many folks are just exiting their favorite watering
Speaker 1: hole that might have had a couple of creamed emments
Speaker 1: and learn a certain type of mood. And what's interesting
Speaker 1: about that is I get people tweet at me during
Speaker 1: the show. People tweet at the show, um, and what
Speaker 1: surprises me, never ceases to surprise me, is how many
Speaker 1: of those tweets are coming from the Eastern time zone, Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: New York, Virginia, Beach, Virginia, wherever. And so as you know,
Speaker 1: uh liter hours, there are always listeners out there. The
Speaker 1: guy text me is listening from Sydney, Australia. So what's
Speaker 1: interesting is because of the wonderful platform that Fox Sports has,
Speaker 1: and you know, you've got a hundred and sixty eight
Speaker 1: hours in the week, I just do one. All you
Speaker 1: guys do such a great job. People have it keep
Speaker 1: it locked on Fox Sports. So I find that more
Speaker 1: people are listening sometimes and we realize, oh, I agree
Speaker 1: with you, and and the cool thing about that it's
Speaker 1: a lot of fun is that these people listening around
Speaker 1: the country. We're on Fox Sports radios on the American
Speaker 1: Forces Network or whatever they're calling it now. So we
Speaker 1: have a lot of military, uh and non military that
Speaker 1: happened to be working for the government that are in
Speaker 1: you know, Asia or different countries around the world where
Speaker 1: US military is and they listen on the American Forces Network.
Speaker 1: So it's pretty cool. But that's cheating, Bernie, because it's
Speaker 1: like an afternoon show. It's not an overnight show for
Speaker 1: these people on these different parts of a life. Ran
Speaker 1: once said, we're in the air everywhere. I don't know
Speaker 1: who would say something like that. I have no idea, Bernie,
Speaker 1: who would say that. But now do you consider I
Speaker 1: think of you as a radio guy. That's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons I like you, Broke. I think of you
Speaker 1: as a radio guy, But you've done a bunch of
Speaker 1: other stuff as well. Now do you consider yourself part
Speaker 1: of the Rob Parker radio tree or is that incorrect?
Speaker 1: It's correct, So let's unpack this. I began my radio
Speaker 1: career in at w t K in Ann Arbor and
Speaker 1: the first night I ever and I'm gonna build up
Speaker 1: to the Rob Parker thing. I'll get there on a second.
Speaker 1: But the first night I ever had a credentia was Friday,
Speaker 1: June seventeenth, was at the Old Tiger Stadium. They were
Speaker 1: hosting the Toronto Blue Jays, and that was the first
Speaker 1: year they put martyrs in the press box and watched
Speaker 1: the game. But there was no sound. Well, that night
Speaker 1: we were watching the game, we were watching a little
Speaker 1: thing that became known as the Yo J Bronco Chase.
Speaker 1: And then later on a fine gentleman's faith kept popping
Speaker 1: on the screen, a guy you made it out a
Speaker 1: world named David Gascon And I'm watching the screen and
Speaker 1: my first night in the press box, and all these
Speaker 1: things are hitting me, and I couldn't hear what he
Speaker 1: was saying. So when I got home about eleven thirty
Speaker 1: that night, I made sure I watched all the replays,
Speaker 1: and of course the rest is history. I spent several
Speaker 1: years at w t K covering Michigan football, had my
Speaker 1: own show on Sunday called The View from the Chief Seats,
Speaker 1: another show called Inside the Frattle house, and then Rob
Speaker 1: Parker and I became friends and started corresponding on things,
Speaker 1: and I found all the way over to CV yesterday
Speaker 1: eight won the flagship station w k r K Detroit,
Speaker 1: which is now w x y T. And not only
Speaker 1: did I work with Rob, we covered the World Series,
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, the NBA Finals. Also was a part
Speaker 1: of the Lions pre and postgame show broadcast team from
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight and the fall people in that period.
Speaker 1: Then I saw everything. It was Barry Sanders last year
Speaker 1: and to all the way until two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: which when the lines went Owen sixteen under Rob Marinelli
Speaker 1: and I saw everything in between. So I lived three
Speaker 1: lifetimes covering the Lions, and then I left Detroit in
Speaker 1: two thousand ten February, came to Las Vegas, joined up
Speaker 1: with the ESPN Radio here co hosted some shows, also
Speaker 1: hosted rube Lextra, which is a post game show for
Speaker 1: you and of you run a rebel basketball Along this
Speaker 1: whole way, Rob and I kept in touch. We've known
Speaker 1: each other for twenty five years. And worlds collided because
Speaker 1: R J. Bell had started a show called UM Straight
Speaker 1: out of the Guts, and they wanted to add a
Speaker 1: Saturday night show, and I got into Scotch Shapiro, and
Speaker 1: as I said, the planets aligned. And so about this
Speaker 1: time in two years ago now they created the Saturday show.
Speaker 1: They said, can you make the commitment? I said absolutely,
Speaker 1: And here we are. Look at that and the rest
Speaker 1: is history. And will you do a great job, Bernie
Speaker 1: on the show. And now you're a big national radio star.
Speaker 1: You've become international, right, international radis. But I love Rob.
Speaker 1: I went out. You know, I've known Rob not as
Speaker 1: long as you, but I've always been a big Rob
Speaker 1: Parker fan. I like this style, He's no nonsense style,
Speaker 1: and how he's willing to tear it people down and
Speaker 1: all that. A lot of these guys don't do that, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the athletes and whatever. So when I went
Speaker 1: out one time, we do not have a meal with Rob,
Speaker 1: and we were just trading stories about like nineties radio
Speaker 1: and how different it was compared to what we can
Speaker 1: do now. Do you have a really good Rob Parker story,
Speaker 1: Bernie from back in those Detroit, those wild local FM
Speaker 1: radio days in the Motor City. Well there's a tell.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a couple of classics. No, we're uh
Speaker 1: in in two thousand nine, Rob used to joke with
Speaker 1: rod Man and Elly, uh you know that his uh
Speaker 1: southern law when we began a eventsive coordinator marry his
Speaker 1: daughter and and Rob used to joke with Rob. I
Speaker 1: used to I bet you wish your daughter would have
Speaker 1: married a better defensive coordinator. And you know you might
Speaker 1: not have gone in sixteen and both the room down,
Speaker 1: Rob Mary Milly didn't think we still have funny. But
Speaker 1: the paper one I was going over forget Ben was
Speaker 1: when Jim Leland take over the tires. And in the
Speaker 1: fall of two thousand and five and the first year
Speaker 1: out of the gate, they go to the World Series
Speaker 1: and there wasn't a person in town. They played the
Speaker 1: same Louis Cardinals that you They were e three and
Speaker 1: seventy nine, and that was the David uh the shortstop
Speaker 1: but David x x xteen, Thank you very much, sir,
Speaker 1: thank you. So they are all story longer. The Cardinals
Speaker 1: beat the Tigers four games to one. And before the series,
Speaker 1: while I was the only guy in town that predicted
Speaker 1: the Tigers would not win the World Series, and man,
Speaker 1: you'd here to think he would have assassinated, you know,
Speaker 1: the president or something they were coming at him right
Speaker 1: and left. And you know, Detroit is a very provincial
Speaker 1: sports town. There's not a transient population there. So if
Speaker 1: you go on the airways and you're not being a
Speaker 1: slappy fandboard and one of their teams, Rob and I
Speaker 1: didn't do that, and Rob especially didn't do that. So
Speaker 1: time and time again he would be a contrarian like
Speaker 1: he has with Tom Brady, now what. He would do
Speaker 1: that all all the time in Detroit, and so he
Speaker 1: you know, he became sort of this caricature of himself.
Speaker 1: But obviously he's still one of the most popular guys
Speaker 1: in media there. But I'll never forget the O six
Speaker 1: World Series when he predicted the Cardinals would win, and
Speaker 1: even after it happened, people called us up and just
Speaker 1: roade Rob red Rob the riot after he was at
Speaker 1: Jason go back to New York. He never lived it down. Wow,
Speaker 1: and I gotta go back. You mentioned you saw everything.
Speaker 1: When you're doing the Lions post game. I have buddies
Speaker 1: of mine that have done Baltimore Orioles post game recently
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, I've been terrible, uh Clipper
Speaker 1: post game back and what you're doing the Lions coverage there?
Speaker 1: What what would you do in a call in show, Bernie,
Speaker 1: What is that like when you're losing every game and
Speaker 1: they don't win a game and you're taking a Lion
Speaker 1: Fans have to be used to it, I would imagine
Speaker 1: after all these years, But what was that like for you?
Speaker 1: It was amazing because it was the biggest love hate
Speaker 1: relationship I've ever seen with any team in my life,
Speaker 1: and I saw it up close and personal. We would
Speaker 1: sign onto the postgame show, get the particulars, do a
Speaker 1: couple of livories, and we'd open up to the phone
Speaker 1: line just a post game. We didn't have callings in
Speaker 1: the pregame. We definitely have Paul Collins in the post game.
Speaker 1: And what you would have it was inevitable. Mark Wilson,
Speaker 1: will you also know he did shows with us. We
Speaker 1: would write down we would do an over under six minutes,
Speaker 1: nine minutes. How long will it take for a someone
Speaker 1: to say fire the coach? B Ford sell the team right?
Speaker 1: Never ended and of course the years under mad Millan,
Speaker 1: which were absolutely disastrous. They wrote him like a rented mule.
Speaker 1: So one of you know, one person after another would
Speaker 1: call in and they would berate the Lions. We found
Speaker 1: me was to lose. I mean, they just did it
Speaker 1: again this last Sunday. It's incredible. But the Lows he
Speaker 1: was there, and they'd sell out the following week. And
Speaker 1: every now and then someone would call in and say,
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready my season tickets that said I've had it,
Speaker 1: and I would pick certain callers and I would fire
Speaker 1: back and I said, no, you're not, No, you're not.
Speaker 1: This is a football time, and you know it. We've
Speaker 1: got eight home games every year. Okay, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: move to quarterline Outah. Yeah, they got a nice bed
Speaker 1: and breakfast there, but there's no NFL football there, you know.
Speaker 1: Damn Well, oh yeah, you're right. Well, I love my Lions.
Speaker 1: One football or excuse me, one playoff win ben since
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty seven. January six and Dave Craig and the
Speaker 1: de Trade Lions beat Dallas and Jimmy Johnson though do
Speaker 1: you eight to six? And that day on National TV,
Speaker 1: John Madden said, we're looking at the two teams of
Speaker 1: the nineties. Well he was half right. The Lions got
Speaker 1: to the playoffs a couple of times under way in Fons,
Speaker 1: but then he was gone. And then Bobby Ross came in,
Speaker 1: and then Gary Moore, and then Dick You're Run, and
Speaker 1: then Rob Marinelli, then Mike. Before that, it was Marty
Speaker 1: morning Wig and Steve Mariucci had like six coaches in
Speaker 1: ten years and it was a constant circus. But the
Speaker 1: biggest takeaway, Ben was the incredible love hate relationship because
Speaker 1: colors would be raped in three they never go to
Speaker 1: a game again, but they'd be right back the next
Speaker 1: week because they couldn't break away. Bernie, what's the wildest
Speaker 1: story that you can tell? Denn and I because we've
Speaker 1: heard some doozies from athletes of the last couple episodes
Speaker 1: on podcasts, But you mentioned the relationship with Rob, and
Speaker 1: Rob had has played me some old tapes of when
Speaker 1: he was in Detroit, and I said, hey, you have
Speaker 1: the ship that's on this tape you could not get
Speaker 1: away with. Now. Is there anything that comes to mind,
Speaker 1: whether're working with him or anybody else that you thought like,
Speaker 1: I can't bring that up now because I get pulled
Speaker 1: right from the radio station. Well, we crossed the We
Speaker 1: danced across the line a couple of times in a minute,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you about the night and Rob
Speaker 1: was some dirt of that night. Rob. Rob had begun
Speaker 1: a pretty a pretty big career in earnest with the
Speaker 1: Four Letter Network. So but on November nineteen, two thousand
Speaker 1: and four, there was a little thing Detroit called a
Speaker 1: mouse at the Palace. I was there. We covered the
Speaker 1: game from the a concourse, Mark Wilson and I. But
Speaker 1: before that, there's one thing, and I can't mention this
Speaker 1: guy's name for obvious reasons, but I happen to be
Speaker 1: in Vegas in July and say of two thousand seven,
Speaker 1: and I'm getting out an elevator. I'm getting off an
Speaker 1: elevator in one particular starting offensive lineman for the Detroit
Speaker 1: and with getting off the elevator, and he had his
Speaker 1: arm around two females and they you know, it might
Speaker 1: not have been his wife. It looks at me, and
Speaker 1: I looked at him and said, this is between us, right,
Speaker 1: And I said that day I was in Chicago that day.
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing. I'll tell you guys name off
Speaker 1: the air sometime, but I can't tell you his name
Speaker 1: on the ear. But back to the malice at the Palace.
Speaker 1: It's the most incredible story because none knows the backstory
Speaker 1: guys that that the Indiana Pacers were coached by Rick
Speaker 1: Carlisle and he'd been unceremoniously fired by the Pistons the
Speaker 1: year before. He was angry and they brought him Larry Brown,
Speaker 1: and so you have revenge on his mind. And they
Speaker 1: were leaving that game by about thirty three points. And
Speaker 1: you remember that the Pacers had one, I think sixty
Speaker 1: games the year before, but I know four of the
Speaker 1: Pistons knocked them off in the conference semifinals and Casehaun
Speaker 1: Prince had that famous block and they were supposed to
Speaker 1: win that series either. So Indiana comes to town spitting venom.
Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle's man. The whole team is man. That was
Speaker 1: a great team, Jamal Tinsley, Uh, you know, draw on
Speaker 1: our test, the whole deal and when that cup came
Speaker 1: full until we let me back up, when Bennel Wallas
Speaker 1: was filed by around our tests and he shoved him
Speaker 1: and our tests ran over late on the table and
Speaker 1: an empty beer cup. Never people always tell the story wrong.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a beer. It was an empty beer cup
Speaker 1: landing on our test hands and he went up on
Speaker 1: the stand. That scene was so surreal. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I can do it justice. I would take me
Speaker 1: a four hour or till the whole story. But I'll
Speaker 1: tell you one little rooming detail. But no one ever
Speaker 1: talks about all of the referees on the floor that night.
Speaker 1: Tim donaghe wow. Uh. And I was at Bernie. I
Speaker 1: was that here at Fox Sports Radio after that game,
Speaker 1: we were doing the overnight and uh, that's all we
Speaker 1: talked about. We did like we tried to use the
Speaker 1: brewery film style coverage, breaking it down frame by frame.
Speaker 1: It is right up there with my top moments. And
Speaker 1: I wasn't even there. You were there, You were lucky
Speaker 1: enough to be there. But I was just watching on
Speaker 1: TV and I couldn't believe what I was watching. I was.
Speaker 1: I was like, it wasn't it like a Friday night
Speaker 1: or something like that. And it was a Friday night
Speaker 1: ESPN game. It was a Friday night at uh. And
Speaker 1: the reason that I I remembered so well is our show
Speaker 1: from seven to eleven PM, and we were going to
Speaker 1: our final break to sign off, and I walked to
Speaker 1: the concourse into you know, look at the game and
Speaker 1: see what's going on. You know, it's a miracle because
Speaker 1: it precisely that moment Ben Wallis was going in for
Speaker 1: a meaningless layup, and that's when Artest Foblem and everything
Speaker 1: broke loose. We had about a four minute break. I
Speaker 1: watched as much as I could, and I ran back
Speaker 1: to the micat You're not gonna believe what's happening here,
Speaker 1: and and then you know, as as they say, the
Speaker 1: rest is history. And that game set back the Indiana
Speaker 1: piece or franchise I think ten years. I mean there
Speaker 1: were five million dollars in fines idiot games missed. You know,
Speaker 1: it ruined their season. The Pistons ended up making it
Speaker 1: back to the files that you're losing to the San
Speaker 1: Antonio Spurts and seven games thanks the big shot, Bob.
Speaker 1: But the funny thing is is that the Malice at
Speaker 1: the Palace has become one of those infamous stories that
Speaker 1: everybody seems to know about. And last Novelber nineteenth, which
Speaker 1: was the fifteen year anniversary, I asked to go on
Speaker 1: several shows. But I can imagine what it must have
Speaker 1: looked like from your in Ben as well, because you've
Speaker 1: you've pretty much seen it on the world of sports.
Speaker 1: But how do you describe that when you're watching it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was crazy. He reminded me a little bit of
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember. This is often forgotten
Speaker 1: the Dodgers in I think it was the year two thousand.
Speaker 1: We're in Chicago and somebody stole one of the I
Speaker 1: think it was one of the pictures hats Catcher's hat,
Speaker 1: Catcher's hats. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So that was my
Speaker 1: That was my thought because I was actually with the
Speaker 1: Dodgers when we went back. I wasn't with him on
Speaker 1: that trip, but when we went back to Chicago and
Speaker 1: they had like extra security because they were those big,
Speaker 1: mean cub fans, We're gonna mess with the Dodgers and
Speaker 1: stuff because they were That was their first trip back
Speaker 1: since that happened. But that was the closest And I
Speaker 1: don't even think that's a good comp to tell what
Speaker 1: that that is so un unpressing. I mean, there there
Speaker 1: have been situations where maybe one or two guys went
Speaker 1: in the crowd. We've all heard those stories of the years,
Speaker 1: maybe back in the early days of baseball, or even
Speaker 1: more recently with Verdon Maxwell or Tony Phillips, the baseball
Speaker 1: player that win the crowd in Milwaukee have to have
Speaker 1: half the team. And remember Jermaine O'Neil throwing that haymaker.
Speaker 1: I thought he killed the guy Germaine on neil with
Speaker 1: that punch. So that night in the mouth in the palace,
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the punch he
Speaker 1: threw the guy that came on the court and he
Speaker 1: through the punch was just there was left foot head
Speaker 1: and slipped on some sort of moisture on the floor.
Speaker 1: He would have killed the guy. If you go back
Speaker 1: and watched the film's left foot slips. It's like a
Speaker 1: kicker when your pivot foot slips. And he was unable
Speaker 1: to really launch. But yeah, you remember that's pretty good detail. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was amazing, Bernie, real quick and for you and
Speaker 1: Ben to the catcher was was Chad Cruder with the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember him, but remember, no, no,
Speaker 1: I remember. Listen, he that Chad Cruder. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you something, all right, that blankety blank, I was sitting
Speaker 1: in the press box at Dodger Stave. He he hits
Speaker 1: a foul ball and he hit my laptop and destroyed
Speaker 1: my laptop in the press box at Dodger Stadium. And
Speaker 1: then I. I was all pissed, you know, because I'm
Speaker 1: a struggling radio guy and I can't I I asked
Speaker 1: the diet. I said, you gotta pay for this, you know.
Speaker 1: And at the time, I was doing Dodger postgame stuff.
Speaker 1: They had a big meeting and they decided after like
Speaker 1: five executives and the Dodgers got together. This is back
Speaker 1: in the end of the O'Malley No I might no
Speaker 1: Omalley must have been going. It must have been the
Speaker 1: Foxox the Fox here and uh they got together and
Speaker 1: they said, oh, sorry, bet you're on your own head.
Speaker 1: You know. One of the things that I enjoy about
Speaker 1: listening to your show and the guys Bryan Family can
Speaker 1: attest I'm I'm a radio junkie. Is then, because you
Speaker 1: have have this rich history of l A sports, which
Speaker 1: I can completely relate to because I grew up in
Speaker 1: SoCal before I moved to Michigan. Um are the events
Speaker 1: that have marked at marked times in l A sports history.
Speaker 1: And herego I'm going with this, guys. I've loved this odd, idiosyncratic,
Speaker 1: unexplainable life that I had been at these sporting events
Speaker 1: and odd things have happened, and I guy local writer
Speaker 1: here who just retired Norm Clark. He was like Las
Speaker 1: Vegas version of Ron the archer um will article about me,
Speaker 1: and it's out there somewhere. I'm gonna give you an example.
Speaker 1: Ben December ninth, nineteen seventy seven. The Floor. I'm there,
Speaker 1: Rudy tom Janovich is punched by current Washington And my
Speaker 1: biggest takeaway is when Kermit said Rudy's head at the floor,
Speaker 1: it sounded like someone dropping a bowling ball from six
Speaker 1: bat because I had I in turn at the Forum
Speaker 1: for four years. July of nineteen seventy four, I'm at
Speaker 1: a baseball camp at pepper Dyne. The coaches take us
Speaker 1: out to this game at Dodger Stadium. I see Tommy
Speaker 1: John walking off the mound holding his left shoulder. That's
Speaker 1: the game that hurt his arm and ended up getting
Speaker 1: Tommy John surgery. The other night, Jason Smith and Mike Carmen,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Miracle Bowl. December nineteenth, nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: B y U and S m U. We're b y
Speaker 1: U trail forty five to twenty five with five minutes
Speaker 1: to go, fourth and five Lazella where Edwards b y
Speaker 1: Us coach tried to send the punt team on the field.
Speaker 1: McMahon yells at him and said, get the f off
Speaker 1: the field, and b y U scores three more touchdowns
Speaker 1: and beats Craig Jans and out Dickerson. I'll is at
Speaker 1: that game. I've been recruited to play baseball b while
Speaker 1: year two years earlier and made funs with a bunch
Speaker 1: of the guys. I didn't go there, And I'm right
Speaker 1: behind the bench and I'm looking at this and saying,
Speaker 1: we just we're about to have the forty year anniversary
Speaker 1: of this game. And I remember, like yesterday, all three
Speaker 1: of those events took place in California. And then you
Speaker 1: had in situations like, well, the what I just told
Speaker 1: you about, the mouse in the Palace, how about a
Speaker 1: sixty band octour of eighty six, the Donnie Moore game.
Speaker 1: I'm got one foot all the rail and Dave Henderson
Speaker 1: hits the home run, the ball goes up and the
Speaker 1: sky stays up in the sky fifteen minutes and comes
Speaker 1: down on the end of the side of the fence.
Speaker 1: Three months later, Donnie Moore kills himself. So I could
Speaker 1: go out all day about that. But one of the
Speaker 1: reasons I had brought it up. Is because when you
Speaker 1: reference some of those l a historical perspective takes you have,
Speaker 1: I absolutely relate to them. And I'm like a little
Speaker 1: kid looking through the fence saying this is cool. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we both appreciate the great Jim Healey, the radio guy.
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons Bernie I got in the race.
Speaker 1: You I loved the Jim Healy radio show and I
Speaker 1: thought he was amazing and all the drops and they
Speaker 1: weren't even dropping, they were they had carts, you know,
Speaker 1: back in those days in radio, you had these big,
Speaker 1: bulky carts and it was so good, and I I
Speaker 1: loved every day, you know, five thirty and then the
Speaker 1: dread the dreaded six o'clock tone that would be played.
Speaker 1: And there's a website that still has all the old
Speaker 1: Healy clips on it, and there's some YouTube videos of
Speaker 1: people because people who didn't live in l A or
Speaker 1: you know, young people have no idea who the hell
Speaker 1: Jim Healy is because he's been gone for a while.
Speaker 1: But you remember Jim Healy when he got he got
Speaker 1: a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and they
Speaker 1: had this big ceremony, right it was a big deal.
Speaker 1: I just started in radio at the time, so and
Speaker 1: I couldn't go. I was working in San Diego. Uh
Speaker 1: but as I remember the story, uh, that was the
Speaker 1: day that Magic Johnson announced he was HIV positive and
Speaker 1: so all the media that was gonna be covering this
Speaker 1: Jim Healy thing all had to leave to go to
Speaker 1: the Forum because they had a press conference. And that
Speaker 1: was like one a big I'm a stunning story, right,
Speaker 1: it was Oh my god, I remember how crazy that
Speaker 1: was at the time. But that's uh, that was the
Speaker 1: day that Jim Healy had his star on the Hollywood
Speaker 1: Walk of Faith and his kid his kids. Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I worked with Hacksaw. I interned with hacks and think
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I'm gonna say that's probably issue
Speaker 1: you're what you're talking about that vintage there, and of
Speaker 1: course those are really some of the real golden days
Speaker 1: of of l A radio. I mean, if you were driving,
Speaker 1: if we all know him, the traffic in l A
Speaker 1: is what it is, and that's what sustained me. And
Speaker 1: I would listen to Heally and I listened you know
Speaker 1: who could forget has? All? Right? Okay, San Diego, let's
Speaker 1: get back on the jam pack four line. Ratuel Pascadis
Speaker 1: first time calling. Might stay here from you. You could
Speaker 1: disagree with me, but you'd be wrong. But Roally we
Speaker 1: got it over the hockey line. I mean that was
Speaker 1: our l a radio then and then he would come
Speaker 1: on and it was just thirty minutes of just pure bliss. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was great. It was I'll tell you a funny story, Bernie.
Speaker 1: When I first actually, as I looked back at the timeline,
Speaker 1: I was not working in radio at the time the
Speaker 1: Healy thing happened, but I was still in school. But
Speaker 1: then when later on, when I got into radio a
Speaker 1: couple years after that, and I was going to these
Speaker 1: games in the in the press box and stuff, and
Speaker 1: I I met Stud Nahan and I, yeah, exactly. And
Speaker 1: every time I saw ste May he Rest in peace.
Speaker 1: He was in the press dining room eating and I
Speaker 1: was just laughing because the Jim Healey Show used to play, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: as you said, the drop, so they called them silver
Speaker 1: tips stew and all that. It was. It was hilarious
Speaker 1: because it was always, uh, you know, freeloaders update and
Speaker 1: all that, and uh, it was quite it was quite impressive.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Norm Clark Bernie and I, you know,
Speaker 1: I know Norm a little bit. I actually I I
Speaker 1: had a meal with him years ago in Vegas when
Speaker 1: I was doing my website, my gossip site, and he
Speaker 1: was like to go to any any for years, anything
Speaker 1: in Vegas. You know, he was the page s He
Speaker 1: was the TMZ of Vegas. And you know what the catchphrase,
Speaker 1: the marketing phrase, and it happens in Vegas and stays
Speaker 1: in Vegas. Well not if, not if Norm found out?
Speaker 1: Not if Norm found out? And uh he was he
Speaker 1: was so good and and as I'm sure you know too,
Speaker 1: he was a baseball wasn't He worked for the associate
Speaker 1: He told me the story. He worked for the press.
Speaker 1: He didn't he went many years from Denver. You come
Speaker 1: to town and we'll we'll grab Norman. I have dinner
Speaker 1: onund me. Norm is a great guy, a wonderful guy.
Speaker 1: Was a black eye patch the Norman. I became friends
Speaker 1: in two thousand and twelve, purely diaccident, because well those
Speaker 1: years Ben we were I was doing a radio show
Speaker 1: and Kell Polly San Luis Obispo got a bid for
Speaker 1: the Big Dance in the NT Tournament. And this guy
Speaker 1: calls in and says, who were I don't known? In
Speaker 1: the bottom I said, that's all you need to know
Speaker 1: about him. It's in nineteen seventy six. They're starting shortstop
Speaker 1: on the baseball team was Ozzy Smith and the starting
Speaker 1: right fielder with Danny Gams, who I'm sure you know.
Speaker 1: Ben had a great show. You're in Vegas for many years.
Speaker 1: Got risted his soul as well, and Norman heard that
Speaker 1: on the year called me. We became friends and said
Speaker 1: that's some that's some pretty good minutia there, because he
Speaker 1: knew that right. But you're right, normal was the go to.
Speaker 1: I mean, when Britney Spirits was married for fifty hours,
Speaker 1: she called him and said, I want you to call
Speaker 1: I've read a comments at the Record Street. Wow it's
Speaker 1: pretty good, Bernie, I I was reading online. Did you
Speaker 1: play minor league baseball? Is that right back in the days?
Speaker 1: Or yeah? I did silent a Sincina where as Larry
Speaker 1: Barton Senior signed me. He since passed away. They might
Speaker 1: have shot him. There's a short lived career. Back in
Speaker 1: the day. I had I end up having done chips
Speaker 1: on my elbow and had trouble hitting a slider. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I did I did? I played? Yep, I had a
Speaker 1: great inficincinator re organization. Did you spent a year or
Speaker 1: two years? Or what is seven games? What are you
Speaker 1: seven games? You're like Moonlight Graham a little bit right,
Speaker 1: you know the mood like? And uh and did you
Speaker 1: play with anybody that made it? Did any of the guy? Oh?
Speaker 1: My goodness? Well as certainly ant more. In college, I
Speaker 1: played with Tim Flannery and Marty Cass studio J Petty
Speaker 1: Bone played against everybody in southern California made it. And
Speaker 1: then in the organization played a bit with Eddie Milner,
Speaker 1: Paul Householder, um, and uh see Dave Van Gorder um.
Speaker 1: And then what's interesting is is then back in the day,
Speaker 1: they used to have these winner teams, and and Larry
Speaker 1: Barton Jr. Put together this winner team and we would
Speaker 1: play colleges on weekends. We go to USC and play
Speaker 1: a doubleheader. You go to Cypress College and play a doubleheader.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they do that anymore, but this
Speaker 1: is we're talking. This is nineteen seventy nine, and all
Speaker 1: the right before spring training, a lot of the big
Speaker 1: leaguers would come out and work out with us. So
Speaker 1: Davy Collins came out, Eric Davis came out with Actually
Speaker 1: no excuse was before Eric Dave this his time. He
Speaker 1: might have he went in the big league yet though,
Speaker 1: But I caught Frank past story for three intings. One day,
Speaker 1: I caught Mike Lacrosse. They'd come out when they get ready.
Speaker 1: I don't talk about it much because it comes off
Speaker 1: like Al Bundy, you know, and or it comes I
Speaker 1: come off like you don't want to come off like
Speaker 1: Uncle Rico in uh Napoleon nine of Mike. You know,
Speaker 1: you could have won the championship back in eighty two.
Speaker 1: No one cares, but yes I did. Well, that's this
Speaker 1: is that's interesting man, that's that's cool. You know who
Speaker 1: also didn't make it in the minor leagues. With Scott Morris,
Speaker 1: who has become the greatest agent of all time. I used,
Speaker 1: he's yeah, I know, it's been an afternoon with him.
Speaker 1: There's actually a picture. I mean, I finally put it on.
Speaker 1: What happened was back there in the last band. Um.
Speaker 1: I'll remember when Michael Jordan's signed with the Burningham Barons.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you Ben and I know you guys
Speaker 1: know sports as well as anybody. If you go to
Speaker 1: a double A and hit two or two. You got
Speaker 1: some jump in your trump. People will realize that what
Speaker 1: a good level of baseball it is. I'm shocked looking
Speaker 1: at Jordan's swing and the way he transferred is way
Speaker 1: too quick and it was really armed. How did he
Speaker 1: too too, I meaning, even hit a couple of home runs.
Speaker 1: The only thing that Jordan did that I liked was
Speaker 1: he went first to third like a meniac. However, he
Speaker 1: was such an incredible competitor. Ron Schouler said, if he
Speaker 1: hadn't gone back to the NBA in their administrate, he
Speaker 1: probably would have gotten September call up. But anyway, uh,
Speaker 1: some guy to do that, I mean, said Jordan saw
Speaker 1: he couldn't play it. That's not fair, that's not fair.
Speaker 1: He he competed. If it neverould have been any Kazinsky,
Speaker 1: he never would have signed because he didn't have any
Speaker 1: one tool that made you love him. But he could compete,
Speaker 1: I said. But having said that, I still think I
Speaker 1: would have beaten Michael Jordan at home on Derby contest,
Speaker 1: and I stand by that. And then I sent him
Speaker 1: a picture of me. You can go to my Twitter
Speaker 1: account on the right. You'll see a picture of me
Speaker 1: in a Tampa tropons since NAID uniform the longer held
Speaker 1: there in a pressure looking faith and then I put
Speaker 1: a picture of me up there and still that's enough
Speaker 1: of that. I guess that's enough of that, he Bernie.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you because you mentioned Vegas earlier,
Speaker 1: with what's going on? What's the climate like? Because you know,
Speaker 1: we've all talked about sports eventually returning back in full form,
Speaker 1: and now the NFL is king and you know Ben
Speaker 1: and I have have have done some other things with
Speaker 1: with Benny versus a penny. We're doing some streaming live now.
Speaker 1: But there's a ton of dudes that are putting money
Speaker 1: and and good action on these on these NFL games,
Speaker 1: whether it's on Thursday and football or just then affairs.
Speaker 1: So have you seen any kind of uptick or is
Speaker 1: everything else pretty much the same in terms of of
Speaker 1: action across the gambling lines. Yeah, it's a good questions.
Speaker 1: So it's not where it was last year at this point,
Speaker 1: they're still done about but it's far above what they
Speaker 1: thought it would be coming out of COVID. Uh. The
Speaker 1: handles on games have been extremely healthy. Um a lot
Speaker 1: of people betting and one of the things, and it's
Speaker 1: not just Vegas, guys. One of the things that has
Speaker 1: really um enhanced the impact of sports bidding in general
Speaker 1: is legalized sports betting, as you know, may passed by
Speaker 1: the Professional Amateur Sports Protection Act of was overturned and
Speaker 1: since then, the hipocritical Roger Goodell, who wouldn't even take
Speaker 1: Vegas is advertising money back in the Super Bowl thirty
Speaker 1: eight two thousand four, I mean in the NFL and
Speaker 1: their teams are from twenty eight marketing and data sharing
Speaker 1: partnerships with various enterprises. Eighteen states are now legal for
Speaker 1: more states have ratified it, they just don't have the
Speaker 1: brick and mortar set up yet or the app technology
Speaker 1: set up. In seven other states have legislation. So to
Speaker 1: answer your question, uh, thirty three million people in one
Speaker 1: form of fashion that on an NFL game last Sunday,
Speaker 1: and here in Vegas. If you come to town during
Speaker 1: football and walk into a even though the social distancing
Speaker 1: is a little different and the way the books are
Speaker 1: set up now are following protocols and people are wearing masks.
Speaker 1: If you were never here before, you would never know
Speaker 1: the difference. The traffic is robust, the betting on the
Speaker 1: game is heavy, and I mean heavy, heavy betting on
Speaker 1: the game last Thursday along there's a there's always big bets, right.
Speaker 1: A guy put a hundred and ten thousand on the
Speaker 1: Chiefs minus nine and a half at the Mirage. Another
Speaker 1: guy put a hundred thousand on the under a fifty
Speaker 1: three and a half at Aria, and you saw Atlanta
Speaker 1: on fifty four. So there are big bets. You've got
Speaker 1: the US open and then you brought up a good point.
Speaker 1: What was it like during COVID, Well, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: even in the casinos were shut down on the sports
Speaker 1: books were shut down for seventy six days, people could
Speaker 1: still bet on apps and about six of all betters
Speaker 1: in Vegas now that through their app. And back in
Speaker 1: March and April they were stuck with Korean baseball, Russian
Speaker 1: Ping Pong Boom, This League, Soccer UFC. But even in
Speaker 1: spite of that, people were still looking for action and
Speaker 1: they were still betting, even though the four majors weren't back.
Speaker 1: Now that they're all back, it's Bonker's now, Bernie. Can't
Speaker 1: we set a line in Vegas for when a certain
Speaker 1: guy will throw up after he eats bull testicles. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing people always ask, you know, what is
Speaker 1: Vegas say about the election? What is Vegas say about
Speaker 1: the Academy Awards. There's a simple rule here in Vegas,
Speaker 1: in the Gaming Commission's bylines. It's got to be in
Speaker 1: a box score. Uh, there's got to be a final
Speaker 1: result in the box score. Because if anybody can control
Speaker 1: the outcome, or anybody if an outco them could be
Speaker 1: predetermined by someone's information, you can't get it. Now, that's funny.
Speaker 1: Maybe somebody will get to something like that, right, but
Speaker 1: they're not. No regulated gaming establishment would set a line
Speaker 1: on something like that. Offshore, sure, why not? You can
Speaker 1: do just about you know, you go to some of
Speaker 1: these offshore sites which I'm sure you've heard of, you know,
Speaker 1: Pinnacle and Bovada and such that you can bet all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff on that. But here going to regulate
Speaker 1: with considered a regulated market, it's got to be in
Speaker 1: a box score. Well, and Bernie, there's no reason to
Speaker 1: put a line. There's a hundred percent. I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen. I'm gonna eat
Speaker 1: the damn bol test. He goes my my wife's going
Speaker 1: out to the butcher shop because I'm told you can
Speaker 1: get those at a butcher shop. Who knew that a
Speaker 1: butcher shop, any butcher shop supposedly has those. But so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna pick those up and I will
Speaker 1: I'm I guarantee I'm gonna make a YouTube video. I
Speaker 1: can't get to Denver obviously because of COVID and all this.
Speaker 1: I'm not traveling anywhere. But when when I eat, these
Speaker 1: people are gonna claim that they're not what they are,
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm faking it or not. But I guarantee you,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna eat one. That's all. I'm meeting Bernie.
Speaker 1: One bull testicle. I don't need to one, and then
Speaker 1: that's it, And so I don't. I'm gonna get crap
Speaker 1: for it. But strew all the haters. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: If not this weekend, it's gonna happen in the next
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And I I'm not sure if we'll
Speaker 1: be able to get it done this weekend, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna try. So it's gonna happen. But if I could
Speaker 1: share something worthy, I'm sure you know Hank Goldberg right
Speaker 1: hammeron Hank, you know, yeah, Miami language. Yeah. So he
Speaker 1: moved to Vegas two or three years ago. And I
Speaker 1: don't Hank pretty well, and I've been on a couple
Speaker 1: of betting panels with him. I like him, and I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure I got his phone number and I'll get
Speaker 1: it to you, because we did. We did a seminar
Speaker 1: here at SS the station, UH two years ago of
Speaker 1: NFL preview, and we all had dinner afterward, and Frank asked,
Speaker 1: Hank asked me a couple of questions about Detroit because
Speaker 1: I spent seventeen years there. Actually I was born there.
Speaker 1: Then we moved to California. My mom actually went to
Speaker 1: University of Michigan. But here's what I'm going with this, Hankers,
Speaker 1: I have one distinct memory of Detroit. I was down
Speaker 1: toomp somewhere blah blah blah back in the mid seven
Speaker 1: He's I went to this restaurant and it's allegedly served
Speaker 1: bull testicles, and I ordered them and had them, and
Speaker 1: I go, how were they? They're little tough. I don't
Speaker 1: think that it up. So we gotta get connected. Well, Listen,
Speaker 1: I I was reading online, Bernie, because I have no
Speaker 1: life of like how to properly prepare the bull testicles,
Speaker 1: and so you gotta like take the vein out, which
Speaker 1: sounds disgusting, and then you gotta cut it thin. My
Speaker 1: my buddy Bob, who does radio in Kansas City, Hughes
Speaker 1: had him. He said, you gotta come thin, and then
Speaker 1: you gotta bread them and deep prium. So my theory
Speaker 1: is if I cut them thin, I bred them and
Speaker 1: it's like eating a chicken nugget and then I just
Speaker 1: dip it in barbecue sauce. How bad could that be?
Speaker 1: It can't be that bad, right, it's gotta be okay. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think maybe throw a little a
Speaker 1: one or catch up on it. And then, you know,
Speaker 1: I've always said, no matter what, you put a one on,
Speaker 1: it tastes like a one. You know, he put it
Speaker 1: on a boot, taste like a once. So well, throw
Speaker 1: a little late one on there. And no one said
Speaker 1: you couldn't do that, right then? Yeah, exactly, See that's
Speaker 1: there were no real rules on this. There's no real
Speaker 1: rules on this. It's just that I have to consume
Speaker 1: the bull testicle. How I consume the bull testicle, that
Speaker 1: is a different situation. That's a different all right. Listen, Bernie,
Speaker 1: I love you man. Continued success. You're dominating their Saturday nights.
Speaker 1: Everyone needs to listen to to you if you haven't
Speaker 1: heard Bernie show straight out of Vegas. And remember the
Speaker 1: most important number in gambling, right, Bernie, fifty two point
Speaker 1: four Right, isn't that the most important number? Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a man with knowledge. If you that's your break even point.
Speaker 1: Because if you can win more than fifty two point
Speaker 1: four percent of your games, you you can be profitable.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Then, Yeah, you gotta make money. It's
Speaker 1: all about making money, all right, Bernie, Thank you man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Pleasure being with you, guys, Thank you
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