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Speaker 1: If you thought four hours a day, minutes a week

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Speaker 1: the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He treats

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Speaker 1: pill poppers in the penthouse the clearing House of Hot

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Speaker 1: takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with

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Speaker 1: Ben Maller starts right now that it is well, come

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Speaker 1: into the beginning of the Fifth Hour with Ben Masse.

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Speaker 1: My name is on the marquee there because four hours

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Speaker 1: are not and off and we now do this thing

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Speaker 1: eight days a week. The question is will we continue

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Speaker 1: your enemies about it, and we welcome in. It's it

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Speaker 1: is a gas bag chat, a chat with our friend podcast.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to him in a second. We welcome in

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Speaker 1: David Gascon from West of the four or five I

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Speaker 1: have in front of a studio audience here and wonderful

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Speaker 1: Sherman Oaks, California. It is interesting that you are able

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Speaker 1: to get that particular SoundBite. But I don't really get

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Speaker 1: any drops. I don't get any rim shots. I don't

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Speaker 1: get any applause, any laughter, any of that. It's a

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Speaker 1: pretty good job of, you know, patting yourself on the back,

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Speaker 1: you know, making it all about you, as you know

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Speaker 1: liquently said, uh, it's all about you during your shows. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: I was the Tom Looney school of radio. That's not

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Speaker 1: my school of radio. But I did take advantage of

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Speaker 1: a situation that was bad and turned in into a positive.

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Speaker 1: Because anything that you learned that after he gave you

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Speaker 1: and that turned out to be a dudd you'd stop

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Speaker 1: listening to him. But here we are in the month

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Speaker 1: that but enough enough about me. Oh wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: anytime early in the day on Friday, this podcast, the

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Speaker 1: Friday Podcast. We made our maiden voyage last week. We

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Speaker 1: did Benny versus the Penny YouTube stars YouTube stars only

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Speaker 1: on the YouTube and it went better than I expected.

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Speaker 1: There were only limited mistakes by you um and people

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun and more importantly, we won.

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Speaker 1: At least I won on my my bet, so we

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do it again tonight, same situation on the YouTube,

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Speaker 1: and it is at nine o'clock Pacific on Friday, which

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Speaker 1: is midnight Eastern. That's the Witching Hour. Guestcount. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: We'll do it live, so that'll be fun. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: sign onto the postgame show, get the particulars, do a

429
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Speaker 1: couple of livories, and we'd open up to the phone

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Speaker 1: line just a post game. We didn't have callings in

431
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Speaker 1: the pregame. We definitely have Paul Collins in the post game.

432
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: And what you would have it was inevitable. Mark Wilson,

433
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Speaker 1: will you also know he did shows with us. We

434
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Speaker 1: would write down we would do an over under six minutes,

435
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: nine minutes. How long will it take for a someone

436
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 1: to say fire the coach? B Ford sell the team right?

437
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: Never ended and of course the years under mad Millan,

438
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: which were absolutely disastrous. They wrote him like a rented mule.

439
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: So one of you know, one person after another would

440
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 1: call in and they would berate the Lions. We found

441
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: me was to lose. I mean, they just did it

442
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: again this last Sunday. It's incredible. But the Lows he

443
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 1: was there, and they'd sell out the following week. And

444
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: every now and then someone would call in and say,

445
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Speaker 1: I'm getting ready my season tickets that said I've had it,

446
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: and I would pick certain callers and I would fire

447
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: back and I said, no, you're not, No, you're not.

448
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: This is a football time, and you know it. We've

449
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: got eight home games every year. Okay, you're not gonna

450
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: move to quarterline Outah. Yeah, they got a nice bed

451
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: and breakfast there, but there's no NFL football there, you know.

452
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: Damn Well, oh yeah, you're right. Well, I love my Lions.

453
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: One football or excuse me, one playoff win ben since

454
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty seven. January six and Dave Craig and the

455
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: de Trade Lions beat Dallas and Jimmy Johnson though do

456
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: you eight to six? And that day on National TV,

457
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: John Madden said, we're looking at the two teams of

458
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: the nineties. Well he was half right. The Lions got

459
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Speaker 1: to the playoffs a couple of times under way in Fons,

460
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: but then he was gone. And then Bobby Ross came in,

461
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: and then Gary Moore, and then Dick You're Run, and

462
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: then Rob Marinelli, then Mike. Before that, it was Marty

463
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: morning Wig and Steve Mariucci had like six coaches in

464
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Speaker 1: ten years and it was a constant circus. But the

465
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: biggest takeaway, Ben was the incredible love hate relationship because

466
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: colors would be raped in three they never go to

467
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: a game again, but they'd be right back the next

468
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: week because they couldn't break away. Bernie, what's the wildest

469
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: story that you can tell? Denn and I because we've

470
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: heard some doozies from athletes of the last couple episodes

471
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Speaker 1: on podcasts, But you mentioned the relationship with Rob, and

472
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Speaker 1: Rob had has played me some old tapes of when

473
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Speaker 1: he was in Detroit, and I said, hey, you have

474
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Speaker 1: the ship that's on this tape you could not get

475
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Speaker 1: away with. Now. Is there anything that comes to mind,

476
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Speaker 1: whether're working with him or anybody else that you thought like,

477
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: I can't bring that up now because I get pulled

478
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Speaker 1: right from the radio station. Well, we crossed the We

479
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: danced across the line a couple of times in a minute,

480
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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you about the night and Rob

481
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: was some dirt of that night. Rob. Rob had begun

482
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Speaker 1: a pretty a pretty big career in earnest with the

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Speaker 1: Four Letter Network. So but on November nineteen, two thousand

484
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Speaker 1: and four, there was a little thing Detroit called a

485
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: mouse at the Palace. I was there. We covered the

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Speaker 1: game from the a concourse, Mark Wilson and I. But

487
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Speaker 1: before that, there's one thing, and I can't mention this

488
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Speaker 1: guy's name for obvious reasons, but I happen to be

489
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Speaker 1: in Vegas in July and say of two thousand seven,

490
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Speaker 1: and I'm getting out an elevator. I'm getting off an

491
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Speaker 1: elevator in one particular starting offensive lineman for the Detroit

492
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Speaker 1: and with getting off the elevator, and he had his

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Speaker 1: arm around two females and they you know, it might

494
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Speaker 1: not have been his wife. It looks at me, and

495
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Speaker 1: I looked at him and said, this is between us, right,

496
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Speaker 1: And I said that day I was in Chicago that day.

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Speaker 1: I don't know nothing. I'll tell you guys name off

498
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Speaker 1: the air sometime, but I can't tell you his name

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Speaker 1: on the ear. But back to the malice at the Palace.

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00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: It's the most incredible story because none knows the backstory

501
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: guys that that the Indiana Pacers were coached by Rick

502
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Speaker 1: Carlisle and he'd been unceremoniously fired by the Pistons the

503
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Speaker 1: year before. He was angry and they brought him Larry Brown,

504
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Speaker 1: and so you have revenge on his mind. And they

505
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: were leaving that game by about thirty three points. And

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Speaker 1: you remember that the Pacers had one, I think sixty

507
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: games the year before, but I know four of the

508
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: Pistons knocked them off in the conference semifinals and Casehaun

509
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: Prince had that famous block and they were supposed to

510
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Speaker 1: win that series either. So Indiana comes to town spitting venom.

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Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle's man. The whole team is man. That was

512
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: a great team, Jamal Tinsley, Uh, you know, draw on

513
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: our test, the whole deal and when that cup came

514
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Speaker 1: full until we let me back up, when Bennel Wallas

515
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: was filed by around our tests and he shoved him

516
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Speaker 1: and our tests ran over late on the table and

517
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Speaker 1: an empty beer cup. Never people always tell the story wrong.

518
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't a beer. It was an empty beer cup

519
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: landing on our test hands and he went up on

520
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: the stand. That scene was so surreal. I don't know

521
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Speaker 1: if I can do it justice. I would take me

522
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Speaker 1: a four hour or till the whole story. But I'll

523
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Speaker 1: tell you one little rooming detail. But no one ever

524
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: talks about all of the referees on the floor that night.

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Speaker 1: Tim donaghe wow. Uh. And I was at Bernie. I

526
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: was that here at Fox Sports Radio after that game,

527
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: we were doing the overnight and uh, that's all we

528
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: talked about. We did like we tried to use the

529
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: brewery film style coverage, breaking it down frame by frame.

530
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Speaker 1: It is right up there with my top moments. And

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Speaker 1: I wasn't even there. You were there, You were lucky

532
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: enough to be there. But I was just watching on

533
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Speaker 1: TV and I couldn't believe what I was watching. I was.

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Speaker 1: I was like, it wasn't it like a Friday night

535
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Speaker 1: or something like that. And it was a Friday night

536
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: ESPN game. It was a Friday night at uh. And

537
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: the reason that I I remembered so well is our show

538
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: from seven to eleven PM, and we were going to

539
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: our final break to sign off, and I walked to

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Speaker 1: the concourse into you know, look at the game and

541
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Speaker 1: see what's going on. You know, it's a miracle because

542
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: it precisely that moment Ben Wallis was going in for

543
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: a meaningless layup, and that's when Artest Foblem and everything

544
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: broke loose. We had about a four minute break. I

545
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: watched as much as I could, and I ran back

546
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Speaker 1: to the micat You're not gonna believe what's happening here,

547
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: and and then you know, as as they say, the

548
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 1: rest is history. And that game set back the Indiana

549
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: piece or franchise I think ten years. I mean there

550
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: were five million dollars in fines idiot games missed. You know,

551
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: it ruined their season. The Pistons ended up making it

552
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: back to the files that you're losing to the San

553
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: Antonio Spurts and seven games thanks the big shot, Bob.

554
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: But the funny thing is is that the Malice at

555
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: the Palace has become one of those infamous stories that

556
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: everybody seems to know about. And last Novelber nineteenth, which

557
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: was the fifteen year anniversary, I asked to go on

558
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: several shows. But I can imagine what it must have

559
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: looked like from your in Ben as well, because you've

560
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: you've pretty much seen it on the world of sports.

561
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: But how do you describe that when you're watching it. Yeah,

562
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: it was crazy. He reminded me a little bit of

563
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember. This is often forgotten

564
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: the Dodgers in I think it was the year two thousand.

565
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: We're in Chicago and somebody stole one of the I

566
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: think it was one of the pictures hats Catcher's hat,

567
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: Catcher's hats. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So that was my

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Speaker 1: That was my thought because I was actually with the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers when we went back. I wasn't with him on

570
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: that trip, but when we went back to Chicago and

571
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: they had like extra security because they were those big,

572
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: mean cub fans, We're gonna mess with the Dodgers and

573
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: stuff because they were That was their first trip back

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00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: since that happened. But that was the closest And I

575
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: don't even think that's a good comp to tell what

576
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: that that is so un unpressing. I mean, there there

577
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: have been situations where maybe one or two guys went

578
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: in the crowd. We've all heard those stories of the years,

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00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: maybe back in the early days of baseball, or even

580
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: more recently with Verdon Maxwell or Tony Phillips, the baseball

581
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: player that win the crowd in Milwaukee have to have

582
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: half the team. And remember Jermaine O'Neil throwing that haymaker.

583
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: I thought he killed the guy Germaine on neil with

584
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 1: that punch. So that night in the mouth in the palace,

585
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the punch he

586
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: threw the guy that came on the court and he

587
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: through the punch was just there was left foot head

588
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: and slipped on some sort of moisture on the floor.

589
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: He would have killed the guy. If you go back

590
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: and watched the film's left foot slips. It's like a

591
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: kicker when your pivot foot slips. And he was unable

592
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: to really launch. But yeah, you remember that's pretty good detail. Yeah,

593
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: that was amazing, Bernie, real quick and for you and

594
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: Ben to the catcher was was Chad Cruder with the Dodgers.

595
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember him, but remember, no, no,

596
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Speaker 1: I remember. Listen, he that Chad Cruder. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: you something, all right, that blankety blank, I was sitting

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Speaker 1: in the press box at Dodger Stave. He he hits

599
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Speaker 1: a foul ball and he hit my laptop and destroyed

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Speaker 1: my laptop in the press box at Dodger Stadium. And

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00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: then I. I was all pissed, you know, because I'm

602
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: a struggling radio guy and I can't I I asked

603
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 1: the diet. I said, you gotta pay for this, you know.

604
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: And at the time, I was doing Dodger postgame stuff.

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00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: They had a big meeting and they decided after like

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00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: five executives and the Dodgers got together. This is back

607
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: in the end of the O'Malley No I might no

608
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: Omalley must have been going. It must have been the

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00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: Foxox the Fox here and uh they got together and

610
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: they said, oh, sorry, bet you're on your own head.

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00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: You know. One of the things that I enjoy about

612
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: listening to your show and the guys Bryan Family can

613
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: attest I'm I'm a radio junkie. Is then, because you

614
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: have have this rich history of l A sports, which

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00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: I can completely relate to because I grew up in

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00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: SoCal before I moved to Michigan. Um are the events

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00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: that have marked at marked times in l A sports history.

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Speaker 1: And herego I'm going with this, guys. I've loved this odd, idiosyncratic,

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00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: unexplainable life that I had been at these sporting events

620
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: and odd things have happened, and I guy local writer

621
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: here who just retired Norm Clark. He was like Las

622
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: Vegas version of Ron the archer um will article about me,

623
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: and it's out there somewhere. I'm gonna give you an example.

624
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: Ben December ninth, nineteen seventy seven. The Floor. I'm there,

625
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: Rudy tom Janovich is punched by current Washington And my

626
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: biggest takeaway is when Kermit said Rudy's head at the floor,

627
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: it sounded like someone dropping a bowling ball from six

628
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: bat because I had I in turn at the Forum

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00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: for four years. July of nineteen seventy four, I'm at

630
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: a baseball camp at pepper Dyne. The coaches take us

631
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: out to this game at Dodger Stadium. I see Tommy

632
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: John walking off the mound holding his left shoulder. That's

633
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: the game that hurt his arm and ended up getting

634
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: Tommy John surgery. The other night, Jason Smith and Mike Carmen,

635
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Miracle Bowl. December nineteenth, nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: B y U and S m U. We're b y

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Speaker 1: U trail forty five to twenty five with five minutes

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00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: to go, fourth and five Lazella where Edwards b y

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00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: Us coach tried to send the punt team on the field.

640
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: McMahon yells at him and said, get the f off

641
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: the field, and b y U scores three more touchdowns

642
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: and beats Craig Jans and out Dickerson. I'll is at

643
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: that game. I've been recruited to play baseball b while

644
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: year two years earlier and made funs with a bunch

645
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: of the guys. I didn't go there, And I'm right

646
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: behind the bench and I'm looking at this and saying,

647
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: we just we're about to have the forty year anniversary

648
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: of this game. And I remember, like yesterday, all three

649
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: of those events took place in California. And then you

650
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: had in situations like, well, the what I just told

651
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: you about, the mouse in the Palace, how about a

652
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: sixty band octour of eighty six, the Donnie Moore game.

653
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm got one foot all the rail and Dave Henderson

654
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: hits the home run, the ball goes up and the

655
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: sky stays up in the sky fifteen minutes and comes

656
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: down on the end of the side of the fence.

657
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: Three months later, Donnie Moore kills himself. So I could

658
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: go out all day about that. But one of the

659
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: reasons I had brought it up. Is because when you

660
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: reference some of those l a historical perspective takes you have,

661
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: I absolutely relate to them. And I'm like a little

662
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: kid looking through the fence saying this is cool. Yeah, well,

663
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: we both appreciate the great Jim Healey, the radio guy.

664
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons Bernie I got in the race.

665
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: You I loved the Jim Healy radio show and I

666
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: thought he was amazing and all the drops and they

667
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: weren't even dropping, they were they had carts, you know,

668
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: back in those days in radio, you had these big,

669
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: bulky carts and it was so good, and I I

670
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: loved every day, you know, five thirty and then the

671
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: dread the dreaded six o'clock tone that would be played.

672
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: And there's a website that still has all the old

673
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: Healy clips on it, and there's some YouTube videos of

674
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: people because people who didn't live in l A or

675
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, young people have no idea who the hell

676
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: Jim Healy is because he's been gone for a while.

677
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: But you remember Jim Healy when he got he got

678
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and they

679
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: had this big ceremony, right it was a big deal.

680
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: I just started in radio at the time, so and

681
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't go. I was working in San Diego. Uh

682
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: but as I remember the story, uh, that was the

683
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: day that Magic Johnson announced he was HIV positive and

684
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: so all the media that was gonna be covering this

685
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: Jim Healy thing all had to leave to go to

686
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: the Forum because they had a press conference. And that

687
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: was like one a big I'm a stunning story, right,

688
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: it was Oh my god, I remember how crazy that

689
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: was at the time. But that's uh, that was the

690
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: day that Jim Healy had his star on the Hollywood

691
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: Walk of Faith and his kid his kids. Yes, yeah, yeah,

692
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: I worked with Hacksaw. I interned with hacks and think

693
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I'm gonna say that's probably issue

694
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: you're what you're talking about that vintage there, and of

695
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: course those are really some of the real golden days

696
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: of of l A radio. I mean, if you were driving,

697
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: if we all know him, the traffic in l A

698
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: is what it is, and that's what sustained me. And

699
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: I would listen to Heally and I listened you know

700
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: who could forget has? All? Right? Okay, San Diego, let's

701
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: get back on the jam pack four line. Ratuel Pascadis

702
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: first time calling. Might stay here from you. You could

703
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: disagree with me, but you'd be wrong. But Roally we

704
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: got it over the hockey line. I mean that was

705
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: our l a radio then and then he would come

706
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: on and it was just thirty minutes of just pure bliss. Yeah,

707
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: it was great. It was I'll tell you a funny story, Bernie.

708
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: When I first actually, as I looked back at the timeline,

709
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: I was not working in radio at the time the

710
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: Healy thing happened, but I was still in school. But

711
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: then when later on, when I got into radio a

712
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: couple years after that, and I was going to these

713
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: games in the in the press box and stuff, and

714
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: I I met Stud Nahan and I, yeah, exactly. And

715
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: every time I saw ste May he Rest in peace.

716
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: He was in the press dining room eating and I

717
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: was just laughing because the Jim Healey Show used to play, uh, yeah,

718
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: as you said, the drop, so they called them silver

719
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: tips stew and all that. It was. It was hilarious

720
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: because it was always, uh, you know, freeloaders update and

721
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: all that, and uh, it was quite it was quite impressive.

722
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Norm Clark Bernie and I, you know,

723
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: I know Norm a little bit. I actually I I

724
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: had a meal with him years ago in Vegas when

725
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: I was doing my website, my gossip site, and he

726
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: was like to go to any any for years, anything

727
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: in Vegas. You know, he was the page s He

728
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: was the TMZ of Vegas. And you know what the catchphrase,

729
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: the marketing phrase, and it happens in Vegas and stays

730
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: in Vegas. Well not if, not if Norm found out?

731
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: Not if Norm found out? And uh he was he

732
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: was so good and and as I'm sure you know too,

733
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: he was a baseball wasn't He worked for the associate

734
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: He told me the story. He worked for the press.

735
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: He didn't he went many years from Denver. You come

736
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: to town and we'll we'll grab Norman. I have dinner

737
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: onund me. Norm is a great guy, a wonderful guy.

738
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: Was a black eye patch the Norman. I became friends

739
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: in two thousand and twelve, purely diaccident, because well those

740
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: years Ben we were I was doing a radio show

741
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: and Kell Polly San Luis Obispo got a bid for

742
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: the Big Dance in the NT Tournament. And this guy

743
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: calls in and says, who were I don't known? In

744
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: the bottom I said, that's all you need to know

745
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: about him. It's in nineteen seventy six. They're starting shortstop

746
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: on the baseball team was Ozzy Smith and the starting

747
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: right fielder with Danny Gams, who I'm sure you know.

748
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 1: Ben had a great show. You're in Vegas for many years.

749
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: Got risted his soul as well, and Norman heard that

750
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: on the year called me. We became friends and said

751
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: that's some that's some pretty good minutia there, because he

752
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: knew that right. But you're right, normal was the go to.

753
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean, when Britney Spirits was married for fifty hours,

754
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: she called him and said, I want you to call

755
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: I've read a comments at the Record Street. Wow it's

756
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: pretty good, Bernie, I I was reading online. Did you

757
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: play minor league baseball? Is that right back in the days?

758
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: Or yeah? I did silent a Sincina where as Larry

759
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: Barton Senior signed me. He since passed away. They might

760
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: have shot him. There's a short lived career. Back in

761
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: the day. I had I end up having done chips

762
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: on my elbow and had trouble hitting a slider. But yeah,

763
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: I did I did? I played? Yep, I had a

764
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: great inficincinator re organization. Did you spent a year or

765
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: two years? Or what is seven games? What are you

766
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: seven games? You're like Moonlight Graham a little bit right,

767
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: you know the mood like? And uh and did you

768
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: play with anybody that made it? Did any of the guy? Oh?

769
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: My goodness? Well as certainly ant more. In college, I

770
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: played with Tim Flannery and Marty Cass studio J Petty

771
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: Bone played against everybody in southern California made it. And

772
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: then in the organization played a bit with Eddie Milner,

773
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: Paul Householder, um, and uh see Dave Van Gorder um.

774
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: And then what's interesting is is then back in the day,

775
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: they used to have these winner teams, and and Larry

776
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: Barton Jr. Put together this winner team and we would

777
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: play colleges on weekends. We go to USC and play

778
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: a doubleheader. You go to Cypress College and play a doubleheader.

779
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if they do that anymore, but this

780
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: is we're talking. This is nineteen seventy nine, and all

781
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: the right before spring training, a lot of the big

782
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 1: leaguers would come out and work out with us. So

783
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: Davy Collins came out, Eric Davis came out with Actually

784
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: no excuse was before Eric Dave this his time. He

785
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: might have he went in the big league yet though,

786
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: But I caught Frank past story for three intings. One day,

787
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: I caught Mike Lacrosse. They'd come out when they get ready.

788
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't talk about it much because it comes off

789
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: like Al Bundy, you know, and or it comes I

790
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: come off like you don't want to come off like

791
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: Uncle Rico in uh Napoleon nine of Mike. You know,

792
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: you could have won the championship back in eighty two.

793
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: No one cares, but yes I did. Well, that's this

794
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: is that's interesting man, that's that's cool. You know who

795
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: also didn't make it in the minor leagues. With Scott Morris,

796
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: who has become the greatest agent of all time. I used,

797
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: he's yeah, I know, it's been an afternoon with him.

798
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: There's actually a picture. I mean, I finally put it on.

799
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: What happened was back there in the last band. Um.

800
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: I'll remember when Michael Jordan's signed with the Burningham Barons.

801
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you Ben and I know you guys

802
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: know sports as well as anybody. If you go to

803
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: a double A and hit two or two. You got

804
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: some jump in your trump. People will realize that what

805
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: a good level of baseball it is. I'm shocked looking

806
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: at Jordan's swing and the way he transferred is way

807
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: too quick and it was really armed. How did he

808
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: too too, I meaning, even hit a couple of home runs.

809
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: The only thing that Jordan did that I liked was

810
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: he went first to third like a meniac. However, he

811
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: was such an incredible competitor. Ron Schouler said, if he

812
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: hadn't gone back to the NBA in their administrate, he

813
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: probably would have gotten September call up. But anyway, uh,

814
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: some guy to do that, I mean, said Jordan saw

815
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: he couldn't play it. That's not fair, that's not fair.

816
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: He he competed. If it neverould have been any Kazinsky,

817
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: he never would have signed because he didn't have any

818
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: one tool that made you love him. But he could compete,

819
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: I said. But having said that, I still think I

820
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: would have beaten Michael Jordan at home on Derby contest,

821
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: and I stand by that. And then I sent him

822
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: a picture of me. You can go to my Twitter

823
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: account on the right. You'll see a picture of me

824
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: in a Tampa tropons since NAID uniform the longer held

825
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: there in a pressure looking faith and then I put

826
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: a picture of me up there and still that's enough

827
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: of that. I guess that's enough of that, he Bernie.

828
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you because you mentioned Vegas earlier,

829
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: with what's going on? What's the climate like? Because you know,

830
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: we've all talked about sports eventually returning back in full form,

831
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: and now the NFL is king and you know Ben

832
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: and I have have have done some other things with

833
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: with Benny versus a penny. We're doing some streaming live now.

834
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: But there's a ton of dudes that are putting money

835
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 1: and and good action on these on these NFL games,

836
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: whether it's on Thursday and football or just then affairs.

837
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: So have you seen any kind of uptick or is

838
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: everything else pretty much the same in terms of of

839
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: action across the gambling lines. Yeah, it's a good questions.

840
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: So it's not where it was last year at this point,

841
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: they're still done about but it's far above what they

842
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: thought it would be coming out of COVID. Uh. The

843
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: handles on games have been extremely healthy. Um a lot

844
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: of people betting and one of the things, and it's

845
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: not just Vegas, guys. One of the things that has

846
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: really um enhanced the impact of sports bidding in general

847
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: is legalized sports betting, as you know, may passed by

848
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: the Professional Amateur Sports Protection Act of was overturned and

849
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: since then, the hipocritical Roger Goodell, who wouldn't even take

850
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: Vegas is advertising money back in the Super Bowl thirty

851
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: eight two thousand four, I mean in the NFL and

852
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: their teams are from twenty eight marketing and data sharing

853
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: partnerships with various enterprises. Eighteen states are now legal for

854
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: more states have ratified it, they just don't have the

855
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: brick and mortar set up yet or the app technology

856
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: set up. In seven other states have legislation. So to

857
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: answer your question, uh, thirty three million people in one

858
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: form of fashion that on an NFL game last Sunday,

859
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: and here in Vegas. If you come to town during

860
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: football and walk into a even though the social distancing

861
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: is a little different and the way the books are

862
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: set up now are following protocols and people are wearing masks.

863
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: If you were never here before, you would never know

864
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: the difference. The traffic is robust, the betting on the

865
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: game is heavy, and I mean heavy, heavy betting on

866
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: the game last Thursday along there's a there's always big bets, right.

867
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: A guy put a hundred and ten thousand on the

868
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: Chiefs minus nine and a half at the Mirage. Another

869
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: guy put a hundred thousand on the under a fifty

870
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: three and a half at Aria, and you saw Atlanta

871
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: on fifty four. So there are big bets. You've got

872
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: the US open and then you brought up a good point.

873
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: What was it like during COVID, Well, believe it or not,

874
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: even in the casinos were shut down on the sports

875
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: books were shut down for seventy six days, people could

876
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: still bet on apps and about six of all betters

877
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: in Vegas now that through their app. And back in

878
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: March and April they were stuck with Korean baseball, Russian

879
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: Ping Pong Boom, This League, Soccer UFC. But even in

880
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: spite of that, people were still looking for action and

881
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: they were still betting, even though the four majors weren't back.

882
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,959
Speaker 1: Now that they're all back, it's Bonker's now, Bernie. Can't

883
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: we set a line in Vegas for when a certain

884
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: guy will throw up after he eats bull testicles. Well,

885
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: here's the thing people always ask, you know, what is

886
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: Vegas say about the election? What is Vegas say about

887
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: the Academy Awards. There's a simple rule here in Vegas,

888
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: in the Gaming Commission's bylines. It's got to be in

889
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: a box score. Uh, there's got to be a final

890
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: result in the box score. Because if anybody can control

891
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: the outcome, or anybody if an outco them could be

892
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: predetermined by someone's information, you can't get it. Now, that's funny.

893
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: Maybe somebody will get to something like that, right, but

894
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: they're not. No regulated gaming establishment would set a line

895
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: on something like that. Offshore, sure, why not? You can

896
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: do just about you know, you go to some of

897
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: these offshore sites which I'm sure you've heard of, you know,

898
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: Pinnacle and Bovada and such that you can bet all

899
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff on that. But here going to regulate

900
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: with considered a regulated market, it's got to be in

901
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: a box score. Well, and Bernie, there's no reason to

902
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: put a line. There's a hundred percent. I'm gonna do it.

903
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen. I'm gonna eat

904
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: the damn bol test. He goes my my wife's going

905
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: out to the butcher shop because I'm told you can

906
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: get those at a butcher shop. Who knew that a

907
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: butcher shop, any butcher shop supposedly has those. But so

908
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna pick those up and I will

909
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm I guarantee I'm gonna make a YouTube video. I

910
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: can't get to Denver obviously because of COVID and all this.

911
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm not traveling anywhere. But when when I eat, these

912
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: people are gonna claim that they're not what they are,

913
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm faking it or not. But I guarantee you,

914
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna eat one. That's all. I'm meeting Bernie.

915
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: One bull testicle. I don't need to one, and then

916
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: that's it, And so I don't. I'm gonna get crap

917
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: for it. But strew all the haters. It's gonna happen.

918
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: If not this weekend, it's gonna happen in the next

919
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And I I'm not sure if we'll

920
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: be able to get it done this weekend, but we're

921
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: gonna try. So it's gonna happen. But if I could

922
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: share something worthy, I'm sure you know Hank Goldberg right

923
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: hammeron Hank, you know, yeah, Miami language. Yeah. So he

924
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: moved to Vegas two or three years ago. And I

925
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: don't Hank pretty well, and I've been on a couple

926
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: of betting panels with him. I like him, and I'm

927
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: pretty sure I got his phone number and I'll get

928
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: it to you, because we did. We did a seminar

929
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: here at SS the station, UH two years ago of

930
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: NFL preview, and we all had dinner afterward, and Frank asked,

931
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 1: Hank asked me a couple of questions about Detroit because

932
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: I spent seventeen years there. Actually I was born there.

933
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: Then we moved to California. My mom actually went to

934
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: University of Michigan. But here's what I'm going with this, Hankers,

935
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: I have one distinct memory of Detroit. I was down

936
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: toomp somewhere blah blah blah back in the mid seven

937
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: He's I went to this restaurant and it's allegedly served

938
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: bull testicles, and I ordered them and had them, and

939
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: I go, how were they? They're little tough. I don't

940
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: think that it up. So we gotta get connected. Well, Listen,

941
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: I I was reading online, Bernie, because I have no

942
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: life of like how to properly prepare the bull testicles,

943
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: and so you gotta like take the vein out, which

944
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: sounds disgusting, and then you gotta cut it thin. My

945
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: my buddy Bob, who does radio in Kansas City, Hughes

946
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: had him. He said, you gotta come thin, and then

947
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: you gotta bread them and deep prium. So my theory

948
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: is if I cut them thin, I bred them and

949
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: it's like eating a chicken nugget and then I just

950
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: dip it in barbecue sauce. How bad could that be?

951
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: It can't be that bad, right, it's gotta be okay. Well,

952
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think maybe throw a little a

953
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: one or catch up on it. And then, you know,

954
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: I've always said, no matter what, you put a one on,

955
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: it tastes like a one. You know, he put it

956
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: on a boot, taste like a once. So well, throw

957
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: a little late one on there. And no one said

958
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: you couldn't do that, right then? Yeah, exactly, See that's

959
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: there were no real rules on this. There's no real

960
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: rules on this. It's just that I have to consume

961
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: the bull testicle. How I consume the bull testicle, that

962
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: is a different situation. That's a different all right. Listen, Bernie,

963
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: I love you man. Continued success. You're dominating their Saturday nights.

964
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: Everyone needs to listen to to you if you haven't

965
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: heard Bernie show straight out of Vegas. And remember the

966
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: most important number in gambling, right, Bernie, fifty two point

967
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: four Right, isn't that the most important number? Yeah, there's

968
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: a man with knowledge. If you that's your break even point.

969
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: Because if you can win more than fifty two point

970
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: four percent of your games, you you can be profitable.

971
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Then, Yeah, you gotta make money. It's

972
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: all about making money, all right, Bernie, Thank you man,

973
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Pleasure being with you, guys, Thank you

974
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: very much. Thanks. Be sure to catch live editions of

975
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven

976
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Speaker 1: pm Pacific