1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: Arizona straight to the line. There's the snap to Murray. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Murray looks left pumps once looking looking a lot of time. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Now he throws and he didn't sounding out a line 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: picked up down the left sideline, picked up a block 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: at the dirty twenty five. Twenty Amoni ten five and 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: he's spot out a pound right there. I say you, 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: twenty four, I see you. Welcome to the twenty Men 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: in the Huddle Podcast. I am Detroit Lion senior writer 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: Tim Twentyman, and it's a fun time here in Allen 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: Park this week because we got OTA's and OTA's means 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: offense defense, it means rookies joint in vets, and my 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: guest today knows all about that, both from a player's 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: side and a coaching side. Look. He's an eight year 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: NFL veteran, played for Buffalo Indie, Miami New York Giants, 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: finished out his career here in Detroit twenty fifteen with 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: Miami one hundred and five tackles, and uh, you know 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: is now the Lions linebacker coach and so welcome Calvin Shepherd. 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining the twenty Men in the Huddle podcast. 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: Absolutely thanks for having me. Yeah, and I want to 20 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: first start with you and so you're you have an 21 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: eight year NFL career, right, you finish up with the 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: Lions in twenty eighteen, I believe, and then you go 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: to LSU your player development guy there. Just when did 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: you start to get that itch about coaching? When did 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: that that seed first kind of start start to bloom 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: within you? Yep? So crazy thing in my career. You know, 27 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: you look at guys careers around the league and my peers, 28 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: and I mean, ideally you would like to spend your 29 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: whole career with the same team for multiple reasons, because 30 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: that means you hit your second contract, they paid you, 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: and just you know, you kind of build a foundation 32 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: and leave a legacy with one team. Well, unfortunately for 33 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: most players in the NFL, that's not reality, for good 34 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: and bad. In my case, it was a little bit 35 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: of both. I was traded, I was released. I've had 36 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: it all. So it's so my career has allowed me 37 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: to really relate to my players in every aspect of 38 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: the game, from being a third round draft pick and 39 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: walking in as a starter, to being traded to being 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: released and having to get back up after being knocked 41 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: down and land on your feet. So in my career. 42 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: What this allowed me to do as a coach has 43 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: has I think done way more than the exc and 44 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: those could ever do, because I can really feel I 45 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: can put myself in those players shoes. But as far 46 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: as why, you know what some people deem it's crazy. 47 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: You spend eight years in your whole life playing a game, 48 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: why are you still in it? For me, it's because, 49 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: to be honest, sweet, I think it is my purpose 50 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: in my calling in life. I've always been drawn to 51 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: football since a very young age. I've played since the 52 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: age of five and never missed a year. And to 53 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: be honest, my last year I did spend here in 54 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and then I made a decision to retire 55 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: my seventh and eighth year of my NFL career. A 56 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: lot of people might not notice, but I was not 57 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: on the Week one roster. And what that means is 58 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: a vet is your countract isn't guaranteed, right, so you 59 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: gotta grind even harder when when you do get the call, 60 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: you go in. And I wasn't blessed enough to have 61 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: that instilled in me at the early age. Work hard 62 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: and work for everything you learn. So in doing that 63 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: that gets tiring. As a free agent. You said, all 64 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: right now, I signed week for all right, I'm in 65 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: here all right now my last year year eight. It's 66 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: all the way to week seven before the lion has 67 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: called me, you know, And I'm like, man, if this 68 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: happens again, man, I don't know, like my family. One week, 69 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm a soccer dad and I'm dropping the kids from 70 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: high school. Actually we're a fight flying somewhere right. So 71 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: that's kind of what transpired in twenty eighteen. I had 72 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: an enjoyable time here, great people from the moment I 73 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: stepped into the building, like the people. That's why I 74 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: tell people about Detroit. The people for me. And then 75 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen I ran into that again in free agency. 76 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: I'm really close. Two of my mentors, a coach Campbell 77 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: and coach Bagnolia, the decordinated for Kansas City. So they 78 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: were kind of like, you're gonna be a coach one day. 79 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, I am not coaching when I retire. I'm 80 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: done with this. They're like, we will see. Twenty nineteen, 81 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: I made it conscious decision to retire. Six months into 82 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: that decision, I turned on the TV and watched all 83 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: my peers playing, and it was just a burning desire 84 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: in me. And I'm like, man, and I'm so, what 85 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: did I start doing? I started calling some of my 86 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: best friends. One of my best friends JPP, Jason Pierre Paul, Yeah, hey, man, 87 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: I want you gotta set that end, keep the inside 88 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: of it. And then I'm calling you. I'm calling David Collard, 89 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: I'm calling jd Surprisingly. Were you watching more film at 90 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: this point too? Yeah? Were you just so game? And 91 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm on NFL. I had the red zone, I had 92 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: the network here. I had it, and like people walking 93 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: at me like what are you doing? Like, and my 94 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 1: friends would be like, dude, why don't you just coach? 95 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: Like stop calling me, It's in your blood. That's the 96 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: point where you knew it was in your blood one 97 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: hundred percent. And then from there, like I started feeling 98 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: phone calls. And then coach Fitz Simmons actually was the 99 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: special team's coordinator here when I was here. It was 100 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: at Vanderbilt, and that's the first cold call I ever received, 101 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: and he's like, are you interested in coaching? And that's 102 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: when I knew it was my calling. I never spoke 103 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: to him about coaching or anything. Got on the phone 104 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: him in do you Vanderbuild offers me a job well 105 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: being at LSU alumni. They caught win of that and 106 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: coach os crazy, but it was like, there ain't no 107 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: way you are going to Vanderbild so depression by the 108 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,119 Speaker 1: way too so hey, so he is. So he offered 109 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: me the job and always give you know, I paid 110 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: for it and let everybody know, without that opportunity, I 111 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: don't know if I would have ever been at this 112 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: point I am to this day. So I always give 113 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: created to coach O. He gave me my first opportunity 114 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: in his profession to be a coach, and from there, 115 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: you know, I went there grinded. I actually was the 116 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: co director of player development and lead defense analysts, working 117 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: closely with linebackers and both aspects of yes development and 118 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: off the field, which for me is the piece a 119 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: lot of coaches miss in my opinion, because when you're 120 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: just coaching, it's X and X and those exes and 121 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: those But the truly garner another grown man attention and respect. 122 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: He has a note you have more, um, it's more 123 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: important things than just football to you. And if guys 124 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: feel that they are going to give you everything, you 125 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: got so then I got the call from coach Campbell 126 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: the night of his bit kneecaps off speech and and 127 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: he just called me to talk and he's like, yeah, 128 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: well I thought just to talk and he's like, what 129 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: you're doing. I told him, it's like, you got some 130 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: time to talk? Long story short, I didn't know that 131 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: Chris Fieldman and Rod will was on speaker falling in 132 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: the background, and we just talked for three hours later. 133 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: Literally wasn't an interview, wasn't just talking where did I 134 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: want my life to go? What I want to do 135 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: with the coaching thing? And then it was like all right, 136 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: that went good? Yeah, all right, I talked to you later. 137 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: How much do you appreciate that? That was the beginning 138 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: of the conversation, and that's where it went. It to me. 139 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: It to me, reeks, what this team, what this organization 140 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: is about? We we we all understand we're here to 141 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: win games, don't don't we will never get that misunderstood. 142 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: But within that, how how do you truly achieve that goal? 143 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: How do you pull every resource available into these players 144 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: and get every ounce that they have out that's letting 145 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: them know it's not all about football. Man it's real 146 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: things happening in the world, tragedies, things in their personal lives. Listen, 147 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: we get that, we get it. Let us help you, 148 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: and in turn you help us by giving us everything 149 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: you got and as long as you got that. But 150 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: like you said, it started before my official interview was 151 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: a three hour conversation with people of power in this organization, 152 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: and that just I mean the second they even then 153 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: we talked again, then they flew me up and they 154 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: couldn't even get it out of their mouth. I didn't 155 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: even know where my title was going to be. They offer, 156 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: I said, yes, yes, I just need to talk to 157 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: coach out And so many former players are part of 158 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: this coaching staff, and that seems like the experience that 159 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: they've talked about too, And why do you love that 160 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: aspect of this staff that there are so many former 161 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: players and the players talk about it too, like, look, 162 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: that guy will never ask me to do something that 163 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: he's never done before, you know, or Ben asked to 164 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: do himself or whatever, And there just seems to be 165 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: that up and down this staff, and the players really 166 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: love that from a coaching standpoint, do you love coaching 167 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: with guys with similar backgrounds as YouTube, former players, guys 168 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: that have kind of now made the coaching profession to me, 169 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: and I heard Coach Campbell say this, some of the 170 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: best coaches in football have never put on please So 171 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: we don't want to turn this into you have to 172 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: be a former player thing because that's not true. Yeah, 173 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: but I'll tell you right now and nobody can hide this. 174 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: It's the instant ice breaker. The second you walk in 175 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: the room, you have the respect of the players. Why, 176 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: because you've done it. It's not you sitting up here. 177 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: Do this, do that? Do that? Do this? Do this? 178 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: Do this? Do that? No, they're looking at it from 179 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: a standpoint. Listen, man, this guy played and he played 180 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: a lengthy career for a reason. Maybe I should listen, 181 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, and take heed to what he's saying. And 182 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: like you hit on, I'll never and this is something 183 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: I really hold true. And you could ask any one 184 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: of my players. I'll never ask them to do something, 185 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: not that I've done, but that i'll go do right now. 186 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: Like then, the players that tell you coach Chef is crazy. 187 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: If y'all don't think I could run and I'm in shape, 188 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: let's go and I'll go run conditioning with you. If 189 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: you think that I can't go and do a hook 190 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: drop triby and the next day I'll have on cleat 191 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: said practice and do it. So like when still you 192 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: still get that itch? Oh? Absolutely? And Brad Hoss kind 193 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: of make a joke to think He's like, hif I 194 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: think you still got a couple of snaps in, y'all said, 195 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: you may be right, but after about two series, my 196 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: shoulders might fall Offso so when you talked about titles, 197 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: now you had the title last year of outside linebackers 198 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: coach did a great job. Some of the guys that 199 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: developed their Charles Harris jumps out led the team with 200 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: seven and a half sacks, some of the young guys 201 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: that came along, Julian Okwara. But now that that role 202 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: has expanded for you, now you are the linebackers coach. 203 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: So maybe just quick go through the difference and maybe 204 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: the difference and responsibility that you have going into this year. 205 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: To be honest, it is different. It's obviously more responsibility. 206 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: Last year was actually stepping out of my realm of 207 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: comfort and it's something I'll always have gratitude and appreciation 208 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: for with Dan and ag because when they presented opp 209 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: coortunities to me. Last year we went back and forth, Okay, 210 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: are you going to help Mark de Leone? Is it 211 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, kind of assistant inside a linebacker guy? And 212 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: then Dan kind of throughout the idea of ship. I 213 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: know how smarts you are. Man, Listen, I know you've 214 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: never really worked with the front because edge rushers really 215 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: and nickel they become defensive against right. So you're kind 216 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: of OLB slash edge d N coach. So it was 217 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: something that I've never been exposed to. But luckily throughout 218 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: my lengthy career I had knowledge of the front. But 219 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: I will say this right now. Without Tywash, I would 220 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: not have had half the success that I did with that. 221 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: And it for multiple reasons. Obviously the knowledge of this 222 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: guy helping me understand front technique, pass rush, why we're 223 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: doing things up front, why we're but then furthermore giving 224 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: me the opportunity and the flexibility to coach my players. 225 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: And I know that was something new for him and 226 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: he opened up to me. That's one of the closest 227 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: people I am too in Detroit period. It's Tye watched 228 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: MC why because I owe that to him because of 229 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: what he did for me in my career, my understanding 230 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: of the front nail has transferred and allowed me to 231 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: extend that knowledge to my linebackers, which in turn they 232 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: play behind. These guys if they know what's happening in 233 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: front of them, they play so much faster. Well, that 234 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: leads into my next question. I'm glad you brought up 235 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: Todd Walsh because I had a chance to talk with 236 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: him a couple of weeks ago and he talked about 237 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: the differences excuse me in scheme from this year to 238 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 1: last year and just how different that front is gonna look, 239 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: not only just going from three to four to four 240 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: to three in the base, but you know, he talked 241 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: about last year being a kind of a read and react. 242 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: Now you wouldn't play off the offensive lineman and then 243 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: you would make you are moving. How this year it's 244 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: completely different. He thinks they have the personnel to attack 245 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: up front. We want to play off the heels of 246 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: the offensive lineman, is how he described it. And so 247 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm curious with that change up front, Now, how does 248 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: that affect you guys at the second level and how 249 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: much you look forward to playing behind the front like 250 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: that as a linebackers, everything you ever wanted to a 251 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: react defense. You have to marry what's happening. So they 252 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: can't be playing reacting. We're just shooting and getting no 253 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: when they play react. It's a lot of principles that 254 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: three four systems have where you see bigger inside linebackers 255 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: because there's two gapish type players. Right as far as 256 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: attack is normally attack, react is normally involved with four 257 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: three systems more attacking, and to be honest, that comes 258 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: top down from Aaron Glenn. He is a dictator in 259 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: my opinion. He is out defense. I know we're a 260 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: reactionary component in football, but we're flipping the table and 261 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: we're trying to dictate to people and we're gonna do 262 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: what we do. We're gonna do what we do and 263 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: then we'll react on the move. But we're lining up 264 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: and we're going after you and we're gonna do what 265 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: we do and then depending on what you give us, 266 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,599 Speaker 1: we'll react accordingly. It sounds like a fun way to 267 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: play as a lineback. Oh my gosh, the linebackers right 268 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: now and just kind of dub doubling back on that now, 269 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: Like in some of some of my guys, I'm like, man, 270 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna come back home to my room and we 271 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: make jokes because now, like you spoke on Charles, guy 272 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: grown so close to and so much respect for him, 273 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: his worth, that the way he carries himself, the trials 274 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: and tribulations he made through in his career. Now I 275 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: lost my guy Charles for the most part, he's in washroom. 276 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: But we have different packages where they come back, I 277 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: say home, you know, and I give them some love 278 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: and send them back. But now we kind of split it. 279 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: But everybody calling my son. But Jo's still with me 280 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: because sometimes like we've pretty much split my last year 281 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: room and now half of those guys are true d 282 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: line and in basing it versus where last year we 283 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: had two true oil bail you're talking about Julian Choir 284 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely okay, So yeah, I still got my son around 285 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: me a lot, you know, and man, and that kid 286 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: is getting better and he understands his expectations. But just 287 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: I mean top down, I tell you, everybody owning the 288 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: accountability piece, I think, and that starts not only from 289 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: Dan and Dan speaks on it, it it starts from Shila, 290 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: Like this is a top down operator where you see 291 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: these faces in the building. It's not like a thing 292 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: where you just hear the names. Oh No, you walk 293 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: down the hall, you're going to see these people, and 294 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: you're going to be held accountable on things you say 295 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: and on your actions. And that's what I appreciate you. 296 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: For someone who's been here for eleven years within the organization, 297 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: I can say that it hasn't been that way. And 298 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: I recently wrote in a ten Questions with tournament an 299 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: article too, that this is just the most optimism from ownership, management, 300 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: coaching all the way down, a collaborative effort, it seems, 301 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: is in place here much more than I've ever seen 302 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: in my eleven years. And so to speak to what 303 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: you just said, I think people outside of football operations 304 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: see that as well. Oh that's man, because I feel it, 305 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: because I'm like you, I've been around, and this is 306 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: the most like I feel like, you don't even know 307 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: if you're here six hours or til. You don't know 308 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: the difference. And when you could build something like that, 309 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: I think, not only are you heading in the right 310 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: direction as far as organizationally, but you're head in the 311 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: right direction as people. Yeah, like, because that's how we 312 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: all should live, all right. I want to get into 313 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: the linebacker room a little bit. All right, one question 314 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: I want to start this off. One word that you 315 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: would describe your linebacker room right now. And I know 316 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: it's early, it's ok as we haven't hit the pads 317 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. But what is one word 318 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: you would use to describe your linebacker room as it 319 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: currently sits? Well, they say this, but the temperature of 320 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: the room is hot. Now like it. If guys are 321 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: laugh they heard us because they say it. Yeah, it 322 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: is hot in here right there. Listen, because the competition 323 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: is real. The competition is real, and it's been laid out. 324 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: We do not know who the starters are gonna be 325 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: day one, and this is so cliche in this sport 326 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: we play. You have a fifty million dollar player you 327 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: just gave guaranteed buddy to the coach standing up there 328 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: saying I don't know who the starter gonna be, and 329 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm over here, I'm backing, like, really you don't know. 330 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: I know, Like this is truly, but you'll have that 331 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: in the linebacker room being go. You don't have some 332 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: coaches Gripe and Mono. I didn't get a high pick, 333 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: I didn't get a high paid free agent where I'm 334 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: the opposite. I embraced this because what I see are 335 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: is I tell the players, I see myself like I 336 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: see myself in that room. I see Hongry players who 337 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: are freaking biden and chumping at the bit of that 338 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: opportunity to go and have a contract type year, a 339 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: life altering type year, a Charles Harris type year like. 340 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: And when you put six seven, eight Hongry dogs in 341 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: the room, yeah, they have no choice but to ride. 342 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: The Cream's gonna rise. And everybody always say that, And 343 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: that's kind of what I'm dealing with, right, because that 344 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: is the most unsettled position group on the defense. How 345 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: is that linebacker room? I mean you really, and you 346 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: spoke to you don't have a guy? I mean you 347 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: you think Alex and Zeloni is probably gonna get a 348 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: pretty good look inside, right, I mean, Derek, you hope 349 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: he takes that next step. But there's no defined you're this, 350 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: You're that, You're that. You got guys, this ota period, 351 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: this mini camp should be, oh training camp should be 352 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: got to come now, everybody. I get fired up when 353 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: we talk this stuff because it is because listen to 354 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: you just named Alex and Zeloni, Derek Bornes. Okay, what 355 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: about Jerry Davis. You don't you don't think he's hungry. 356 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: Hungry Will wanted to come here, took down, took less 357 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: money to come here. Why do you love a guy 358 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: like that? Oh? I sit next to him in twenty eighteen, 359 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: and to me, that's right. Literally his rookie year was 360 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: your last year. Absolutely, Chris Board, you don't think he's hungry. 361 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: You're stealing all my questions. You're still let me. You 362 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: gotta let me take this because I'm gonna get down 363 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: because you want to hear all about these guys. Because 364 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: there is that lineback to me, you look at you know, 365 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: obviously what they did to the defensive line and improved 366 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: that via free agency in the draft, you'd like that. 367 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: You know you've got depth at secondary too, but that 368 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: is the biggest question mark at linebacker to me. And 369 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: so when you look at a guy like Chris Board 370 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: who's very new or a free agent signing from Baltimore, 371 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: and then Seawan Dion Hamilton, the guy who really had 372 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: a good training camp last year before that that injury, 373 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: he was gonna be on this roster absolute his spot 374 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: was there. So maybe just talk to those two guys. 375 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: First off, what does Chris Board bring to the table. 376 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: A guy who was a special team's ace in Baltimore 377 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: but really started to carve out a role there, especially 378 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: on third down. A guy that can you know, play 379 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: in space and run. And then Shaun Dion Hamilton. Maybe 380 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: just give us a low down of what lions of 381 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: fans can expect from Chris Board and Shaun Dion Hamilton's 382 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: first and foremost. I could talk football with you all 383 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: day because you really know football. I appreciate it because 384 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: some guys don't see those guys like they're special teams linebackers. Now, 385 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: well what are they doing? Look at movement skills? Okay, 386 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: have they carved out a role? So I start with 387 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: Chris Nickel. Now, because you're in those you have to 388 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: find guys that can play in space at the linebacker position. 389 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,239 Speaker 1: So is that what Chris Board kind of? He has 390 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: a unique skill set. And I'll be honest, I told 391 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: him like and I told everybody here to personnel department. 392 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: He's bigger than I thought he was. Because you see 393 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: him on tape move around, he moves like his safety 394 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: and then I saw him in person and he's freaking 395 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: stout yeah, he's a big guy. I'm like, oh, man, 396 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: you know so, I'm very intrigued by that player and 397 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: what he could provide for not only us defensively, but 398 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: for fifth on special teams. And then Shandon Hamilton. Man, 399 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: I had a deep heart to heart with him the 400 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: other day, and that's dude, I got it because he 401 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: poured it out to me his career to transgressions, everything 402 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: he's been through. And I said, brother, let me tell 403 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: you something. Everything you've been through, I've been through. I said. 404 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: That's why I have the utmost respect for you. I said, 405 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: but it's if you go out and I can hit play. 406 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: That's the thing. You never have to ask questions in 407 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: my room. If I could hit play, everybody in the 408 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: room is gonna know who the starter is. And I 409 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: feel like if players feel that, and if it's real 410 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: and not just coaches talking, you're gonna get everything they got. 411 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: That's why you're gonna watch practice. It is the linebackers. 412 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about loafs. I don't have 413 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: to because if you're not doing it, the next guy will. Yeah, 414 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: and that just gonna keep going. And I'm sure you 415 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: got I don't want to step but Josh Woods, Malcolm Rodriguez, 416 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: James Houston. I mean, when you have this and a 417 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: guy like Malcolm Rodriguez, when I could pop his tape 418 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: on just this morning in the film room from rookie 419 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: Mini Kemp and something I taught him in one day, 420 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: he's going out executing. You don't think that gets the 421 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: attention of alex ANZELONEI he got to. Don't think that 422 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: gets the attention of a Chris Bull like whoa what 423 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: han sixth round pick? And and he knows he's being 424 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: the thick of it. That's the thing, Dan Campbell, Arian Glynn. 425 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: They don't care who it is, and they don't care 426 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: how you got here either. They don't care how you 427 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: guys undrafted late day three. It don't matter. You are here. 428 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: You're gonna get an opportunity. And if we hit play 429 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: and you're the guy, you're the guy, as Jerry Jacobs, 430 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: as a j. Parker. If we don't care, I don't 431 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: can't even tell you what college Jerry went to. He 432 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: went to like five of them. But like, if if 433 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: we hit play and you're the guy, you're the guy, 434 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: the guy, And that is what the NFL should be like. 435 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: And that's why this place, man, I got calm down. 436 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: I gotta get to So you were a former player, 437 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: and they talk all the time about the transition and 438 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: the growth in your not only football knowledge, but your 439 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: production from year one to year two. How real is 440 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: that as a player. It's a real thing if the 441 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: player makes it a real thing. Okay, that's why I 442 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: tell people everybody, what did you do? It was so magnificent. 443 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: I'm very open and transparent. I'm never gonna act like 444 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: I'm some good rupe. What I do is try to 445 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: take the good things I've had in my career and 446 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: apply them. I tell them and recycle him, and I 447 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: throw away all the bad. What I deem was bad, 448 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: and that's what I give to them. Man. And and 449 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: that is a real thing. We can go ahead and 450 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: say it because I know with this you're talking about 451 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: Derek Bone. This this this is the player's no secret 452 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: and he knows this. It's on him the same way 453 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: it was on Jo last year. That is on the player. Now. 454 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: I can give you all the resources and the tools 455 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: to do it, but until you take ownership and accountability 456 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: that it's the work I put in. The coach can 457 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: give me everything. But until you go put the work in, 458 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: that's when the results gonna happen. No work, no results. 459 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: Have you seen the work because the talent is so 460 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: much the derecle man, I mean, we see it. There 461 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: were so much, so many flashes last year. But like 462 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: any rookie, it's up and down. And I told him, 463 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: you play a position that isn't flashing at tend And 464 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: I told him, because he did, I had all these players, 465 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: you had fifty play cut up of him shocking blocks, 466 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: getting off, running off, tackling, violent at the point of attack. 467 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: He has it. But for Derek is above the neck. 468 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: He hasn't played a lot of off ball in his 469 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 1: career right, so it's seeing it as well. So I 470 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: have to put him in those situations as a coach. 471 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: That's where it's on me as a coach to let 472 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: him see it, let him feel it, and then re repord. 473 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: Now it's on you to beat out the guy beside you, 474 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: behind you, or in front of you. Was it harder 475 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: for that indoctrination to the NFL and that three to 476 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: four react for him? And is it going to be 477 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: easier now in this maybe more attacking like we talked 478 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: about earlier where maybe you don't have to read it 479 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: as much as it is. That is a piece of it. 480 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: He can play faster, okay, but in that your key's 481 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: got to be right, yeah, because you could play fast 482 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: going the wrong way, and that's even worse than what 483 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: we did last year. So that's that's that's that's just 484 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: where I go back to. As a coach, I have 485 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: to give it to him. I have to shove it. 486 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: I have to give it after give it. But as 487 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: a player, you have to receive it, digest it, and 488 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: go apply it. All right. You mentioned the couple rookies, 489 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: Malcolm Rodriguez six round pick out of Oklahoma, steak guy, 490 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: really athletic thirty seven and hatched vertical I think four 491 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: or five two forty tons of production. And then a 492 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: guy James Houston, a guy who played off the ball 493 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: at Florida and then went to Jackson State and played 494 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: more of a you know, edge on the line and 495 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: had so much production. What do you like? What do 496 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: you think those two guys bring to the table. And 497 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: again it's early. We got to see lions pads and 498 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: stuff like that, so we have to really, you know, 499 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: we've got to talk about this, and since that we're 500 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: watching guys in helmets and shield Okay, there's no contact here, 501 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: but you can still as a coach, clean some things 502 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: and see some things before the pads come on. And 503 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: so maybe you know one of the things you want, 504 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: you can give Lions fans about what to expect. Maybe 505 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: from those two young men who've just said this, I 506 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: can say which you can get with no helmets on. 507 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: Malcolm Rodriguez is one of the smarter young players I've 508 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: ever been around. Really that I'll give to him, and 509 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: I'll say that openly, that kid, but it's because he's 510 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: a naturally smart player. But on top of that, it's 511 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: the work he puts in. This kid came in here 512 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: in two days and he knew both spots like that. 513 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: That to me, that stands out to me. And I 514 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: looked him right now, I say, you're gonna get opportunity, dude. 515 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: I said, when you come in and show me things 516 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: like that, you're you're you're gonna get every opportunity imaginable 517 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: to you to come make a push to play. And 518 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: then a guy like James Houston, James is what I 519 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 1: call a football player. James James and James, don't let 520 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, coach, I ain't gonna sit in this room. 521 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: I might not be able to draw it and say it, 522 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: but you get out there and you put them pass 523 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: on and you get him out there on that field, 524 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: You're like, holy thought, you didn't know that. And I'm 525 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: talking to his technique execution, not if he finds the football, 526 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: but being in the right spots understanding route progression. When 527 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: I say, those rookies went out and put on what 528 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: I say, teach tape for my vets, because up until that, 529 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: up until yesterday, we had not practiced his vets, so 530 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: all I had was rookie tape. And the fact I 531 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: was able to use these two guys as examples, not 532 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: only was it good for the room, but it was 533 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: good as far as building your confidence is coming into 534 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: the NFL that man, because in college you're like, oh, 535 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: the NFL old man. And then to be able to 536 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: walk in and do what they did. I wanted to 537 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: give them their respect for that and pat them on 538 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: the back and let them out, guys, y'all belong, no 539 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: go compete. There's a little bit of motivation there too, 540 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: And there's a little bit of motivation for you better know. Yeah, 541 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: and that's good, and that's that good? Is that whole team? Yeah, 542 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: it's good for the room and it's good for the 543 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: team because guess what, even if you're not the starter, 544 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: you're going to play. And then if you're not the starter, 545 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: you still can have a very impactful role on the team. 546 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: Ask Josh Woods. Yeah, special team explosive player, as Jalen 547 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 1: Reeves maybe right, special teams explosive players. And when they 548 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: got the opportunities on defense, they showed up. Germ reaped 549 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: the benefits of that. It's free agency, right, Wood is 550 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: reaping the benefits. He's in the mix. He's he's he's 551 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: in the mix. Once could be the day one starter. 552 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: I mean, here we go. That's what I'm just telling you. 553 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: And by the way, the name Pitt has been putting 554 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: on a clinic so far. Once again it's in shorts 555 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: in T shirts, right, But to see his tenacity with 556 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: understanding I may not get as many reps. I appreciate 557 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: guys like that because once again, that was mans like 558 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: I might not get as many reps, but when I 559 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: do get them, they're gonna feel my presence. And if 560 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: you attack it with that mentality. Your reps will up 561 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: as you go, and before you know it, you could 562 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: be like me starting off in twenty sixteen in the 563 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: New York jaz lineback room. I was the third mic 564 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: week one we kicked off in Dallas, had the green 565 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: dot on my helm and calling the defense. It's about 566 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: the way you attack it as a player. If you 567 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: look at a depth chart initially and you're going to tank, 568 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna stay in the tank, right. But if I'm 569 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: the starter, it ain't Because ag said all the time, 570 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: it ain't the ones in front you should be worried about. 571 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: It's the ones behind you, right, And that holds true 572 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: in the business world, in sports, and everything you do 573 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: in life. So what's your expectation for this linebacker room 574 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two? You know, obviously you want to 575 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: take a big lead for them. We've talked about how 576 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: individuals have to collectively do that, but as a whole, 577 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: just what's your what's your expectation for this linebacker group 578 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two in this new defense? I'm careful 579 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: on like, I don't make any statistical no, no no, no, 580 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: that's not what I'm talking about you, No, not nothing 581 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: like that. But just you want this defense. If somebody 582 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: were to say, what man, that unit, what is that 583 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: unit about? It's two words, fast and violent. Fast and violent. 584 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: That's what I was saying. Fast in violent. If nothing else, 585 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: when they turn on our tape, they should hold man 586 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: when when when when they come at the point of attack, 587 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 1: You're in for all days sucker fast in violent. I 588 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: like it is the is the two end. My players 589 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: will tell you this, preach it. And now you have 590 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: the personality decent there to fit that as well. Absolutely, 591 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: And guess what if you don't have that personality, Guess 592 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen when that cream rising it is fast 593 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: and involent. Yeah, you're gonna fall to the bottom of 594 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: the pot and just be soaking for us to go 595 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: clean up at the end of this field. I love it. 596 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: Now I want a bigger picture from you. Defensively, Yeah, obviously, 597 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, you guys played a lot of young players, 598 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: and you guys got better as a year went on. 599 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: But the numbers are the numbers, Kevin, and they are 600 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: what they are. And like you look at a lot 601 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: of the major defensive statistical categories, you guys were just it, 602 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: you know, ranked towards the bottom. So what do you 603 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: We talked about the scheme change up front, but what 604 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: kind of changes you want to see this defense as 605 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: a whole. Is it to take on that mantra of 606 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: your linebacker core throughout the front in the secondary as well, 607 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: or just how much improved do you think this defense 608 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: can be now going into the second season of ag scheme? 609 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: What I just said I know for a fact because 610 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: we see things the exact same my coordinator is a 611 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: trickle down effect. I say, we all speak the same language. 612 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: If you ask him fast involvement, fast involent there there, 613 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: they've almost took away every advantage the defense have at 614 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: this point with targets and rightfullysa with where you can 615 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: target when you're hitting, where you could do. So what's 616 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: the one thing that we do steal had to put 617 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: things on tape. When they hit play, they see fast 618 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: and violent play. And if you put that on tape, 619 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: people are gonna few years human nature. Yeah, expanding on 620 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: one guy real quick before before we end, j D 621 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: a guy that you said you sat next to in 622 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: the meeting room. Now here his coach. Crazy how times 623 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: change in so few years? Right, But here's a guy 624 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: that could have taken more money elsewhere, And obviously you 625 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: guys wanted to resign him last year, but the Jets 626 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: offered him a deal that looked you couldn't resist, and 627 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: you guys couldn't match. It's just that's the economics of 628 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, and now he's back, and when we 629 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: talk to him, he just seemed to have, boy, this 630 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: burning desire to be good and help this team be good. 631 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: He wants to be part of what you guys are 632 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: building here. How much have you seen his contributions to 633 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 1: that room, not only as a veteran guy, but that 634 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: mentality as well, is wanting to be something that's kind 635 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: of almost greater than yourself. That is the ultimate teammate 636 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: is what you just describe. And I've grabbed Derek Lawns. 637 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: I said, you know what. I know, y'all all competing, 638 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: but you should be in that guy's hip pocket because 639 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: I've seen him work. I've seen him pulling up to 640 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: the facility at five forty five am every morning. You 641 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: know why, Because when I find out he was doing it, 642 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: I said, you crazy if you think I'm letting a 643 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: rookie do this, And I don't, so I was here, 644 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: and just the accountability piece. If you could get guys 645 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: and not disregard to play I'm talking about, I'm talking 646 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: about everything outside of the play. If you could get 647 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: your players to operate at the level of that guy. 648 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: And we have other guys that do it, but we're 649 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,959 Speaker 1: talking about JD right now. Yeah, like with that burning 650 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: desire to be great man and not just a self 651 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: thing like I want to be great for myself, but 652 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: I want to be great for my team rather that 653 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: because JD. I'll tell you right now, if JD isn't 654 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: a starter, he's gonna be in day fifth office at 655 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: six AM. I hope fit ready for that because listen, 656 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: that guy if if he's in between him white lines, 657 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: because we all know his career hasn't been pretty right, 658 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: like for a first round pick that that it has 659 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: not been ideal for JD. I know that as a 660 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: friend and his coach, and I know the things he's 661 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: been through. So that burning desire comes from all different places. 662 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: But that's just a place of him wanting to be 663 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: great for his team and then this outstanding in my opinion, 664 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: do you guys now have the kind of skill sets 665 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: It seems like you've got a pretty versatile group. We 666 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: talked about Chris Board and Space and some of those 667 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: other guys and Rodriguez and JD's a thumper. We know. 668 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: Do you have now the personnel, the skill set, the 669 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: depth to do a lot of different things that you 670 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: want to do defensively in terms of matchups with mind 671 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: backers and and playing different kinds of schemes and sell packages. Absolutely, 672 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,239 Speaker 1: I think the room and the defense in total. You 673 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: add guys like DeShane Elliott. You you add guys that 674 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: could potentially have versatility to your defense and flex to 675 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: where a guy like Jo. I mean last year, Jo 676 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: line up everywhere over the center, on the edge, split 677 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: out on the number two like you'll see him. Stat like, 678 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: when when you're able to have versatile players, it opens 679 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: up the playbook for the coordinator and versus limiting you. 680 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: And then it keeps guys fresh too, because, like I said, 681 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: say we come out of this thing wants the pass 682 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: to get on and you have four guys and you 683 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: still don't know. Yeah, well then we got to make 684 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: a decision and we call guys in and we have 685 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: on this conversations. But in terms of that, all right, 686 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: it's two guys out there now, we're keeping you fresh. 687 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: The second you get tired, the next one's rolling like 688 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: and then that. So that's not necessarily a bad thing, 689 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: right either. If you have multiple guys who could play, 690 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: you utilize them. And we have one, in my opinion, 691 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: the best coordinator in the NFL and Aaron Glenn and 692 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: I promise you he's gonna maximize violent, fast players. He 693 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: did last year. Yes, he did look at all the 694 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: guys that the young guys, and so that's got to 695 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: be the excitement too of those first year guys going 696 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: to their second years. Guys like and I this is 697 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: outside your position group, but you mentioned Jerry Jacobs, j J. Parker, 698 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: Levi ownedz Aique, Aline McNeil, all those guys. I mean, 699 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: you guys play off all that. It's all one on defensive. 700 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: So you've got to be excited about the steps that 701 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: those guys took late in the year so you knew 702 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: they took coaching, right, absolutely, So if you're if you're 703 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: this player at the beginning there and you are better, 704 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: you're not making the same mistakes. To me and probably 705 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: you as a coach that says, okay, that's a coachable player. 706 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: I can work with that absolutely. I just want to 707 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: see improvements. And so now we talk about this biggest 708 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: jump from year one to year two, You've got to 709 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: be excited about some of those guys. Oh, just collectively 710 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: throughout the defense everything you just said. If you got 711 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: that towards the latter part of the year, imagine the 712 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: offseason of them in the weight room with Mike Clark 713 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: and Josh and mo Jill in the crew, and then 714 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: the development of OTA's mini camp to training camp. Oh absolutely, 715 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: we are three, especially those two big boys you just 716 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: named it. Yeah, Levi, because that directs that directly affects us. Well, Calvin, 717 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: you got me excited about football. I mean OTAs again, 718 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: we have to take it with a grain assault. It's 719 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: it's it's helmets and shorts, but it is eleven on eleven. 720 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: We get some nine on seven in there. You start 721 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: to see the football, you know, team come together and 722 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: it really gets you guys ready for training camp. And 723 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: that's a hope, right, just just to hit the ground 724 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: running when you guys just building the foundation, pouring the concrete. Now, 725 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: put the post up and just continue to build, build, build, 726 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: get the training camp and then week one come you're 727 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: selling the beautiful house and we all reek the investments. Well, 728 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: let's all reek the investments one percent. Thank you guys 729 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: for joining me. We'll have another coach on next week 730 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: and Calvin, thanks for joining the twenty men. Hud, all right, 731 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me, all right,