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So 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.760 what what I did was I kind of pulled together 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:08.920 all of the different clips and architects talking about Pete 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.679 Die over the years of this podcast, and we kind 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.760 of built an episode around these clips, and we figured 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.360 it'd be a great way to remember one of the 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:21.760 most influential architects of in the history of golf. So 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:26.200 here is Garrett and I's episode on Pete Die with 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:30.440 the excerpts from many of today's greatest architects. 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.920 I miss the green, for example, I'm already upset. 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.320 When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:37.360 And when I find my. 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.120 Ball in a brid Egg Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.480 Egg Frida Egg Egg Frida egg Bride egg Lie, I'm 0:02:43.520 --> 0:03:15.120 about ready to run off of the. 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:13.000 All right. So basically what we're doing with this episode 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.560 is we are collecting a few clips from the podcast 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.280 going back even a couple of years, where we have 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:26.200 had various people, mostly architects, talking about Pete Dye and 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:30.080 Pete Dye's influence. And I think that we were both 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.480 surprised Andy, when we were going through these clips how 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:38.200 rich they were and how much Pete Dye meant to 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.000 How many different people would you agree with that? 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.840 Yeah, I think you obviously hear it with everybody talking 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.720 about how influential he was, but then listening to people 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.360 like Bill Corr, Tom Doak talk about it, Jim or 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:57.840 Bina talk about directly working with them, and the profound 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.880 effect and impact that he had actually all the different 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:06.680 stories and just getting it from the state of architecture 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:11.240 before Pete Die to after is just unbelievable. And I 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:16.480 think that's uh, I always, you always I remember those clips. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.599 I didn't remember Bill Corr's clip being so I mean, 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.480 it's crazy because you know, you do the interview and 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.599 I kept I remember him talking about Pete and I 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:28.880 kept pulling on the thread, but I didn't remember all 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.120 the stuff he said and really listening to it, it 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:32.800 was it was pretty crazy, you know. 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:37.800 Yeah, yeah it is. It's a great clip. And and 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.800 so this is basically how this episode is going to go. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:44.880 Where we're going to We basically have a batch of clips, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.680 and we're going to introduce them, play them for you, 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.000 and discuss them a little bit. We thought that this 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:56.120 would be a good way to reflect on Pete Die's legacy, 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.880 his impact on golf architecture. So the very first clip 0:04:59.880 --> 0:05:04.960 we have is Bill cor discussing, among other things, how 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.240 he got into working with Pete Dye, how Pete Dye 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.080 changed architecture. 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.560 How I mean, how he even wanted how he wanted 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.080 to become a golf architect. 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.640 Right, yeah, I mean it's amazing. So yeah, so here's 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:26.600 here's the clip Bill Corr from episode fifty nine. 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.000 But no, it was actually after I had graduated from 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.039 Wake Forest and I was about to go to a 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:36.520 graduate school of Duke and Uncle Sam decided that I 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:40.480 should make a bit of a detour. And so I 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:46.080 had spent two years in the Army and as I 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.520 was about to get out, I saw a golf course 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.520 near my home in North Carolina. Was in a town 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:59.560 call high Point, North Carolina, and many Pete and I 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.440 was designing a course there. And the course was it 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:06.400 was called Oak Hall Public Health Course. And I had 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.719 never heard of Pete guy, and I knew nothing about 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.520 this golf course. And somebody said, oh, they're building a 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.680 golf course not so far away. And I remember when 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:21.960 I was, you know, I had a weekend away there 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:25.160 from the from the Army, and I'd gone home and 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.240 I went out to look at it. And it's when 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:32.600 Pete was doing things very much like Harbortale, shorter courses, finesse, yeah, 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:37.200 railroad sleepers, the whole thing people think about. And it 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.080 was just fascinating to me. This was a course in 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:45.320 the era of Robert trent Yale Senior. And when I 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.000 saw this golf course, I thought, okay, that's kind of 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:53.599 that's very interesting. And I think more than anything Andy 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:57.559 that's when out there that day walking around the course 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.960 wasn't open yet, but it wasn't too far away from open, 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.839 and I just remember thinking, I wonder how you do this? 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:08.599 I love golf. I think I know a good course 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:13.080 when I see one, But how does this happen? What's 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:17.400 the process? And you know, having been away from school 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:22.280 for over two years, it's that decision back do I 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:26.360 go to graduate school? And then I'm thinking, well, I'm single, 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.120 I don't I don't need much money or anything I could. 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.840 I might like to see how this is done. So 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.440 I remember the guy who was out there watering. It 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.240 was a little Sunday after the guy was at their 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:42.080 water and of course asked him who did it. He said, 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:46.440 I some man named Die. And again it didn't mean 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.440 anything to me at the time. This was in nineteen 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:54.880 seventy one, and I said, do you know how to 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.400 get in touch with you? He said, oh, I'm sure. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.200 His names and the superintendent's rolodex, and here he drove 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:02.960 me back to the mainting the shop. We walked in 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.600 there and he takes the old fashioned rollodecks where you 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.880 turning around with it, you know, cards, flip cards with 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.280 wooden names and dressing and phone numbers, and sure enough 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.680 he finds it, finds Pete giving me his number. I 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:19.280 began calling Pete, said badger him to say if I 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.600 could get a job, just to see how this was deaf. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:23.200 So that was the moment. 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.680 How long did it take together? 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:27.000 Job? 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:33.680 Quite a while? Actually, I mean I called Pete. He 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.600 I remember, I blatantly made up a story that I 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.240 was going to be in Florida, which I really didn't 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.160 any reason to be in Florida, but as soon as 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.760 I was going to get get my discharge from the military, 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:52.080 and he said, well, if you're ever down here, you 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:55.440 know calling, So I just I made my way down 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:57.800 to Florida after I was discharged in the military, and 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:02.360 I called him and he uh he interesting enough. It 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:07.959 was another of all things on a Sunday afternoon. And 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:12.880 and Pete he was a huge Miami Dolphins man. And 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.880 this is in the time when the Dolphins were dominant, 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.840 you know, the year actually I think that they went undefeated. 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:25.000 She dodge you, larrysarka barber, these guys there. You know, 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.600 it's just Pete was such a huge fan. 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.800 Dophins, Yeah, I think so. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:38.080 I think so. So. I remember calling and Pete. You know, 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.280 she had no interest whatsoever what I wanted to talk about. 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:47.000 But I do remember. He said, where are you? I said, well, 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.760 I'm at the whatever it is, I can't remember, some 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:56.959 little hotel, hotel there beach and he said, sure, I 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.240 can talk to you. He said, I'll be over here. 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.280 But what he's gonna come over here? He wanted to 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.640 watch the football game. He had a bunch of folks 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.800 in his house. He came over there. I didn't know who. 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:10.520 I didn't know what to look for. I didn't know 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.600 I didn't know what he looked like or anything. I'm 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.360 just asking people to walk in the door. Upe done. 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:19.080 They all look him. No. Well then anyway, he walks 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:24.199 in and he says, so you want to talk about Golfer? 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.120 I said yes. He said, all right, let's go to 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:31.360 your room. What and so here we go up to 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.560 my room. He clops down in the bed and gets 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.000 the TV face turns the football game. That's all he 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.880 wanted to do was watch the football game, so he 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.480 sort of absent minded. They talked to me while he 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:47.680 watched the football game. So that was And then he said, well, 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:49.560 we're eventually we're going to be doing a golf course 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:51.800 up near all in North Carolina. Turned out to be 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.199 the Cardinal Club in Greensboro. He said, you can come 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.880 out there and maybe they will find something for you 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.319 to do. It was another year over after that that 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:05.880 they actually started a car whenever. He didn't remember me 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:06.760 from anybody. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:11.119 I mean, you know, hey, you were I was persistent 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.560 and he served in immedia media. 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.360 You you fixed his problem. 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.080 You want to watch the Dolphins, and you're probably a 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:20.760 great excuse for him to get out. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.240 Of exactly he was able to sit there and watch 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.240 the entire game. The game was over gone, you know, 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:31.559 and so but it was. It was just one of 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.600 those sort of odd things that happens. 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:39.600 What you know, everybody talks about the railroad ties and 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.720 then you know people remembering for the TPC courses he built, 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.320 like you know, a regular fan, but like, what would 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:51.040 you say is the most underappreciated aspect of Pete dies 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.240 work as an architect. 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:58.120 He changed the direction of golf architecture twice. Yeah, that's 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:00.880 no one else has ever done on that. I mean 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.560 he started, you know, he first changed it with courses 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:10.320 like Harbortown when Robert trip Jones Senior was doing the 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:17.080 exact opposite doing, you know, par seventy two seven thousand 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.600 yard championship golf courses. That was the thing, that was 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:27.360 the motto, that was the selling point, and Pete went 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:31.760 to the exact opposite direction. Shorter Fronest course was quirky. 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.199 He had seen Ian Alice, had seen the railroad ties 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.600 when they had played a lot in Scotland and thought, 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.440 well that could work, we can do something of that. 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:43.800 And it was just something that people in this country, 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.120 unless they had traveled to Scotland or Ireland, they just 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:52.240 weren't used to. So the fact that Harbor Town was 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.040 so well received, I think the first tournament there was 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:59.319 in nineteen seventy and called Arno potter Wood. Yeah, and 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:05.880 so the fact that was so well received instantly put him, 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:09.000 you know, in the public eye as far as the 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:13.760 golf course architect and pretty soon everything you saw started 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:20.640 going in that direction. Well then when the TPC Jacksonville 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.160 came in, which is many years later, but he changed 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:31.240 it again completely there. So I know, I know no 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:36.040 one else who's who's done that, who's actually changed And 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:41.319 once Pete did Harbortown in the finesse course type type situation, 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:45.839 and then when he changed to the more challenging, longer 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.320 whatever you want to how you want to describe it, 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:54.320 TPC type course, the next thing is almost everyone was 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:58.439 doing the same. It was just he he literally changes, 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.640 not just the direct but if you watch the progression, 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:07.520 you saw many courses appear like like Pete's early course 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:11.600 at Harbortown, But then after TPC you saw many many 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.160 courses appear that suddenly looked like that. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:21.160 Yeah, the architecture industry, your time has changed so many times. 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:22.960 It's it's different. 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.840 It's kind of crazy about for one man to do 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:26.640 the life. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:28.720 Yeah, I know, I'm no one else done. 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.600 So A lot of people say that he died of 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:40.200 penal architect versus a strategic one. What would what would 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:41.240 you consider. 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:50.080 Being well andy? I think certainly I'm a bit partial 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:56.520 to Pete's Harbor Town so speak phase or Finesse was 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:01.400 a little more at the were stone on the golf course. 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:06.920 And they think then they were extraordinarily strategic, playing to 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.600 certain positions to get to other to get to angles 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:14.080 and things. I think is Pete saw the game changing, 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.840 meaning players eating involve farther and farther and farther, and 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:24.640 the the I think is he then changed to try 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:31.680 to challenge those those players at the TBC courses. They 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.680 were still strategic. They were certainly strategic for you know, 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.400 the best players. They still wanted to play to certain positions, 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:46.120 usually right next to some very visible hazard. And you 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.760 would always give you something to look at. There was 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:54.480 always something in your eye as a player, and more 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.960 often than not that you could play close to that 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:03.880 you had an advantage in some way. But I think 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.960 Pete and Alison in the work that they've done through 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:12.480 the years is this is some absolutely fascinating, fascinating courses 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.440 and and yet you do hear about was very penal. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.720 I think a lot of that depends on what team 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.360 you you play from. I think a lot of it 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.760 the situation is there's more the impression that comes from 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:34.440 the tp C course type, famous of their of their architecture. 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:41.080 So I see it as a strategic and penal book. 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:48.080 Yeah, I agree. I I think I follow the strategic 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.840 size because and I grew up playing. 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.320 The Dia Corse in Florida like. 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:57.440 All everyday family vacation, and you know, I still want 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:01.520 to go there. It's all angles, and you know, you 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.560 do have to see a little bit better at the player, 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.840 but the strategy is so good and all that stuff. 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:14.119 Yeah, it's again Pete Dallas were amazing with that and 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.200 the thing they were able to do too, I think 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:22.159 Andy's they could do some really unusual type country and 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.520 whether you want to call it the mounds or even 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.919 the you know, the railroad ties along the water, and 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:32.240 then the certain types of greens, shapes and angles and 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:37.440 but it's really abrupt things that people were necessarily used 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:43.440 to seeing and and yet they work. Yeah, it's very, 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.560 very seldom l ever see a Pete Die golf course, 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.440 even a whole on the Pea Die golf course that 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:54.159 doesn't function from a playing standpoint. And the other people 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.280 who then said, oh, that's what's selling now, that's what 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:02.840 I'm going to produce, never I don't oftentimes didn't have 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:08.320 the same insights as to how you truly played golf 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.639 within the confines of the golf course, and so you 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:18.200 would see some knockoff models, shall we say them, TPC 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:24.639 courses that that probably were far too people because of that, 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.720 there was just probably not that bit of insight as 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:33.600 to how would this actually play, how this actually it 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:38.159 looks like exactly visually, because they might have mounds and 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:42.159 pot bunkers and or water down the side or certain 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:47.080 angles and things always not the same. But when it 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.240 came down to the ability to move your golf ball 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:56.119 through the golf course and be successful, a lot of times, 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.879 you know, other people just didn't have the same insight 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.160 that Pete work. 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.439 So Andy, what was something when you listen back to 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.480 that clip, What was something that struck you that you 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.960 didn't really remember that well from the interview itself. 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.480 So I when I when I listened back to that clip, 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.080 the thing that I forgot, you know, I always said, 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.840 I always remembered him earlier in that same episode talking 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.760 about Perry Maxwell and the impact that Maxwell had on 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.640 his career. But I forgot that he said he wouldn't 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:32.280 have gotten into architecture had it not been for seeing 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.879 that golf course in high Point, North Carolina, which happens 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:41.040 to be Oakallow a public golf course there, and and 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.040 That's the thing I think that sticks out to me 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:51.400 was something about what Die was doing made Core say 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.320 to himself, well, I really want to be a part 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.240 of this, when he probably had thought about it before 0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:00.880 that point, right, And and something about a different way 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:05.000 that Die was doing the work, or the way the 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:09.640 golf course presented itself differently, is what kind of made 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.200 him have this light bulb moment that said I want 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.080 to maybe look and see if I can do this 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.280 for a career. And that's the thing that, you know, 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.280 beyond anything else. And I think we have later clips 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.320 that shed more light on different aspects of the things 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.399 that Korr was talking about. But that's the thing that 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.000 stands out to me is that Die's work in a 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:34.840 way was inspirational and stood out amongst all the other 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:37.119 work that was going on in that era, which was, 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:41.160 you know, the most golf course construction work that we've 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:41.760 ever seen. 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:46.119 It's a very common story, in fact, where one of 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.159 these architects that we're talking to goes and sees a 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:52.760 Pete Die golf course and says, hey, there's something different here, 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:56.200 there's something interesting here. I should look into this further, 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:58.840 or I should go work for this guy, or I 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:03.719 should design my golf courses differently. It's remarkable how often 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.719 that comes up, just the act of somebody going and 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:10.919 seeing a peate Die golf course in the sixties, seventies, 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:14.480 eighties era. They were just different. There was there was 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:18.560 something about them that struck people, took them aback and 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:20.200 made them reassess. 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.920 Yeah, you often hear there's that idea of there's something 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:28.600 more to it. And I think personally, I grew up. 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:33.880 We would go see my grandparents every vacation growing up 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.880 and they lived on a peat Die course in Florida, 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:40.320 And whether I knew it or not, from the age 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.760 of you know, six, when I would go out and 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:47.760 hit plastic golf balls on the golf course like till twenties, 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:53.080 I think I was learning about golf architecture without knowing 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.560 I was learning, because you know, when I think about 0:21:56.560 --> 0:22:01.480 this golf course now, it's full of really interesting strategy 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:06.360 and angles and there's plenty of space. And if you're 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.080 in the wrong spot, you're in you know you're in 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.320 the wrong spot because you're looking over the shot saying 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:14.520 I really really don't want to hit this shot. And 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:16.919 if you play the you know, if you find that 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.560 line of charm, and I think that's a lot of 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:23.200 with golf architecture. You just know there's something different about 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:26.679 certain places. And that's the way I felt growing up 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.320 is I always like going there, and I didn't. It 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:32.600 took me a long time to conceptualize why. And I 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:36.280 think that's with so many architects. What happens is there's 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:38.639 just a place that's a little bit different than your 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:41.840 status quo. This course on Floord was a lot different 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.800 than the municipal golf course that I grew up playing on, 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:46.040 and I knew that. 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:50.399 And so the experience you're describing is the experience that 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:52.679 a lot of different architects have had, a lot of 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:56.800 different golfers worldwide have had. In this next batch of clips, 0:22:56.840 --> 0:23:00.800 we'll hear from Tom Doak, Brian Silva, and Jeff Mingey 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:05.680 about their own kind of die related awakenings. So that's 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:14.480 what you'll hear right now. Tom Doak from episode one 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:15.720 of the Yolk with Doug. 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:19.320 One of the very first courses I saw was Harbor 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.080 Town when it was brand new, And the thing that 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.320 got to be hooked on golf course architecture was this 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:27.240 little booklet that Charles Price, the golf writer had done. 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:30.480 It was like hole by hole diagrams. It's kind of 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:32.920 like you for a yardage book today, except without yardages 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:35.000 because it was nineteen seventy and people didn't play by. 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:35.800 Yardage so much. 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:38.520 But it had like a diagram of the whole and 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:41.679 three really simple sentences about how to play it, like, 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:44.840 you know, this is a short par five and if 0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:47.440 you're going for the green in two, you need to 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:50.480 drive it left near that bunker, otherwise there's going to 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:52.280 be a tree in your way for the second shot, 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:54.760 you know. And it was something a ten year old 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:58.760 could read and understand, and golf course architecture really isn't 0:23:58.840 --> 0:23:59.960 much more complicated than that. 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:08.760 And now a clip from episode twenty six with Andy 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:11.399 Johnson interviewing Jeff Mingay. 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:14.560 If you were going to say, you know, what's the 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.440 one thing that you would take away from Pete Die 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:20.159 as an architect that you know, really kind of like 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:22.600 that you admire the most, what would it be? 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:28.320 Well, I would say the guts and the strength to 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:32.960 be bold with your work. You know, the I deal 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:35.080 with a lot of client clubs and I just find 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:38.520 golfers and I say this to my committees and memberships 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:42.560 that I work with. Golfers are soft these days. You know, 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:46.080 they want the golf course to cater to them. You know, 0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:48.680 you do something bold, whether it be a deep bunker 0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:51.800 or a big contour or a green or something, and 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:54.120 they're they're most of them are upset all the time. 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:57.960 You know, they don't want golf to be golf. And 0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:00.960 you know, Pete, you know, and we all know, he 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.800 actually gets a bad rap. I think because you know 0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:06.880