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Speaker 2: Podcast On Purpose with Jay Shetty. Hey, everyone, welcome back
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Speaker 2: Thanks to each and every one of you that come
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Speaker 2: guest is someone that I'm really excited to dive in
Speaker 2: with because he's an expert in his field and has
Speaker 2: incredible insights, practical steps and habits that we can all
Speaker 2: implement to feel better, do better, and do good in
Speaker 2: the world. Now, I first came across him when I
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Speaker 2: for someone that I want to sit down with and
Speaker 2: speak to. I'm speaking about Zach Bush, MD, a physician
Speaker 2: specializing in internal medicine and hospice care. He's an internationally
Speaker 2: recognized educator and thought leader on the microbiome as it
Speaker 2: relates to health, disease, and food systems. Please welcome to
Speaker 2: On Purpose, Zach Bush. Zach, thank you for being here.
Speaker 1: What a pleasure to be with you, Jay and the
Speaker 1: whole audience. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm so grateful, honestly to talk to you today
Speaker 2: because one of the things I love doing on the
Speaker 2: show is sitting down with people who've dedicated their life
Speaker 2: to helping people feel better, do better, and do good.
Speaker 2: And I feel that a lot of your work is
Speaker 2: entirely dedicated to that. And in order for me and
Speaker 2: my audience to get to know you a bit better,
Speaker 2: I'd love to start off by asking you, you know,
Speaker 2: what was your journey from conventional medicine to internal medicine
Speaker 2: and how did you even move in that direction, because
Speaker 2: I think that today we're seeing a lot more of that.
Speaker 2: But you've been doing this for a long time, so
Speaker 2: I wonder what that transition was like.
Speaker 1: It was a step wise journey into a lot of
Speaker 1: left hand turns and pivot, I think. But the journey
Speaker 1: began in the Philippines. I took a hard left turn
Speaker 1: in my career. I was going into engineering, took a
Speaker 1: year off, and then had the opportunity to birth babies
Speaker 1: in the Philippines with a group of international midwives, and
Speaker 1: that experience of being around the birth of human life
Speaker 1: was so riveting and so engaging that the idea of
Speaker 1: returning to a program in robotics and machines just couldn't
Speaker 1: capture my imagination anymore. And so that was my interer
Speaker 1: pointing to the health career and initially thinking maybe nursing
Speaker 1: nurse practitioner, and then eventually slippery slope took me into
Speaker 1: the idea of just going down that medical doctor route,
Speaker 1: and that journey came along in an interesting point in
Speaker 1: human history where I didn't realize in the nineteen nineties,
Speaker 1: none of us knew at the time that we were
Speaker 1: about to witness the most extraordinary explosion of chronic disease
Speaker 1: in human history. We were about to see the complete
Speaker 1: collapse of the human immune system, the human neurologic system,
Speaker 1: and the debut of things like attention death is a disorder,
Speaker 1: gluten sensitivity, lime disease, chronic fatigue syndromes, chronic pain syndromes,
Speaker 1: things that had simply not existed ten years, let alone
Speaker 1: in the previous thousand years. And so it was a
Speaker 1: very interesting time to enter into this world of science
Speaker 1: and medicine at the point where we would lose it all.
Speaker 1: And now we recognize, you know, thirty years later, that
Speaker 1: we're now in the midst of the sixth extinction event,
Speaker 1: where we're losing biology at such an extraordinary rate, and
Speaker 1: we see not only cancer epidemics and autimmune epidemics and
Speaker 1: the rest, we're seeing pandemics and the results of this
Speaker 1: real disruption of neural anatomy and attention deficit to autism
Speaker 1: from Parkinson's to Alzheimer's, and this breakdown in our cell
Speaker 1: cell communication such that we would really lose our self
Speaker 1: identity in this milieu of inflammation and destruction at the
Speaker 1: cellular level, which of course is manifesting at the macro
Speaker 1: level as well. And so we see the dissolution of
Speaker 1: socio political systems and this polarization and the fear, guilt,
Speaker 1: shame paradigms amplifying as our biology collapses. So never before
Speaker 1: or so interesting a moment to step into this space,
Speaker 1: and it's been a real exciting journey into realizing that
Speaker 1: the end is near of an old paradigm and the
Speaker 1: beginning is knife for everything that we perhaps have not
Speaker 1: even yet imagined, because we are starting to realize that
Speaker 1: to be human, to be human, health is to really
Speaker 1: a description of an ecosystem rather than a single species
Speaker 1: trying to met out a survival paradigm within a complex
Speaker 1: ecosystem of life.
Speaker 2: You know, one of the reasons why I've been so
Speaker 2: interested in your work is because I found myself going
Speaker 2: from being quite a healthy individual to then randomly having
Speaker 2: inflammation and having gut issues and whatever it may have been.
Speaker 2: And none of them were things I could even explain,
Speaker 2: like I was living a generally healthy diet or I
Speaker 2: was pretty active or whatever it may be. But still
Speaker 2: I'd started to see all these things, and so what
Speaker 2: started in the first place at such a global level,
Speaker 2: like what has been going on with our health, the
Speaker 2: food system and everything else it's been happening that has
Speaker 2: caused it today where I think the majority of us
Speaker 2: either are experiencing it or know someone who's experiencing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I had to go into the problem
Speaker 1: before I found some of the answers to your questions
Speaker 1: there and diving deeper and deeper into the problem. I
Speaker 1: was as trained in internal medicine, which is general hospital
Speaker 1: care kind of your adult medicine, and conventional pharmaceutical model,
Speaker 1: running ICUs and the like running how was the chief resident,
Speaker 1: training residence and med students at the University of Virginia,
Speaker 1: and was finding that I wasn't finding the answer as
Speaker 1: to how do I make my patients healthier. I was
Speaker 1: chasing disease and it was getting more and more difficult.
Speaker 1: It seemed every year to actually have a positive outcome
Speaker 1: with my patients. And so I felt like I needed
Speaker 1: more training, and I did endochronology and metabolism for another
Speaker 1: three years, and that training really took me into what
Speaker 1: is the communication network of this exquisite symphony that we
Speaker 1: would call a human body. How's liver talk to the brain,
Speaker 1: How's the brain talk back to the adrenal glands. How
Speaker 1: the adrenal glands talked to those kidneys? And so that
Speaker 1: was the fascination of that hormonal network of communicator, and
Speaker 1: that drove me down deeper into the second half of
Speaker 1: that specialty, which is called metabolism. How does energy get
Speaker 1: liberated within a human cell to manifest life and the
Speaker 1: answer was just becoming obvious, was that it's actually not
Speaker 1: the human cells creating the energy. It's these tiny little microbes,
Speaker 1: these little bacteria that live inside of our cells, that
Speaker 1: was liberating energy for the human cell to thrive upon.
Speaker 1: And those little bacteria, often called mitochondria, are very susceptible
Speaker 1: to toxins. I was developing toxins to kill cancer cells
Speaker 1: and was watching those toxins damage this ecosystem within and
Speaker 1: then make it very difficult for a cell to recover
Speaker 1: on a cancer journey. And so it was a realization
Speaker 1: that this paradigm of poisoning for the effort of health
Speaker 1: was just chasing for the wind. So I'd spent seventeen
Speaker 1: years of academia becoming an expert in celluar biology, becoming
Speaker 1: an expert ultimately and this little niche of chemotherapy, realizing
Speaker 1: that at the end, oh my gosh, I'm chasing the wind.
Speaker 1: No matter how good my chemo theay he gets, it's
Speaker 1: never going to actually solve the problem that I face
Speaker 1: because actually, in human history, not a single case of
Speaker 1: cancer has ever been caused by a lack of chemotherapy.
Speaker 1: And so it was that kind of slippery slope of
Speaker 1: root cause roots solution with cause res solution to realize
Speaker 1: I'm not anywhere near the root of this thing. But
Speaker 1: my chemotherapy was in vitamin A compounds, which are nutrients
Speaker 1: obviously from food systems, and so that was a backdoor
Speaker 1: into the question of what happened to nutrition that we
Speaker 1: would suddenly have all this cancer. If nutrition can kill cancer,
Speaker 1: where did that nutrient base go? And that led us
Speaker 1: then to some pretty exciting answers. And I had to
Speaker 1: leave the university setting at that point because the research
Speaker 1: that I next wanted to do couldn't really fit into
Speaker 1: the paradigm of here's a drug, here's the disease, and
Speaker 1: I was starting to want to ask deeper questions about
Speaker 1: how does life happen, how does biology happen? So I
Speaker 1: left in twenty ten started a clinic that was based
Speaker 1: in nutrition, an idea that nutrition could be the base
Speaker 1: for reversing chronic disease and perhaps ultimately preventing it. And
Speaker 1: that was a daunting and scary moment for me because
Speaker 1: I had been trained nothing at all on nutrition, and
Speaker 1: so I was desperately looking for everything I could put
Speaker 1: my hands on, and the nutrition sciences to try to
Speaker 1: find a path forward, and I was finding that the
Speaker 1: nutrition science is really disconnected from the deeper understanding of
Speaker 1: how biology worked. We were practicing on a fifty year
Speaker 1: old beliefs about nutrition with the feud pyramid and all this,
Speaker 1: when in fact we kind of knew already at the
Speaker 1: biology level that that was a miss, but we hadn't
Speaker 1: matured that science and long winding path. It turns out
Speaker 1: that I found myself back to not recent medicine, but ancient,
Speaker 1: ancient medicine. And we find that long before Hippocrates came
Speaker 1: along to say we are what we eat kind of thing,
Speaker 1: Chinese medicine had recognized that we must realize that we
Speaker 1: are manifestation of the nutrient nutrition, the connection to nature.
Speaker 1: And maybe deeper than Chinese medicine are veda, which was
Speaker 1: a deep, deep feel that you've studied extensively with your
Speaker 1: tea company and everything else. This science of iravative dates
Speaker 1: back nine thousand years, and comparing that to like fifty
Speaker 1: years of food science that we throw at the wall
Speaker 1: right now, it's been proven over and over and over
Speaker 1: again in vast different people's groups and genetics and everything else,
Speaker 1: and so in the end, that long winding path took
Speaker 1: me back into this indigenous realization of we are of nature,
Speaker 1: We are of the earth. Each one of us is
Speaker 1: of the earth, and this is why we call ourselves earthlings,
Speaker 1: I suppose. But this human condition identifies that nature intended
Speaker 1: us into our existence and into our resilience and into
Speaker 1: our full potential. And it's in this last one hundred
Speaker 1: years where we've accelerated this march away from that nature
Speaker 1: and the convenience lifestyles and the technology boom and everything else.
Speaker 1: And this has been that pivot point of how did
Speaker 1: we lose health? We simply distanced ourselves from nature further
Speaker 1: than we'd ever been, and we did it at these fundamentals,
Speaker 1: as you point out, of the food system. And so
Speaker 1: that was my slippery slope into what's happened to the food,
Speaker 1: which took us into what happened to the soil, which
Speaker 1: has taken us into a realization of, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: we became chemically dependent, both in our farming practices and
Speaker 1: our pharmacy of the hospital. And when we took both
Speaker 1: of those industries and said we will technologically create a
Speaker 1: new chemical that will allow us to grow food better,
Speaker 1: and be healthier. We lost our underpinnings, We lost the
Speaker 1: foundation of nutritional health on the planet and the vitality
Speaker 1: of humanity.
Speaker 2: It's incredible, isn't it That it feels like such small,
Speaker 2: simple changes, but then they achieve incredible scale, right like
Speaker 2: the idea of if you could find that to be
Speaker 2: the root. But the rate at which we've all been
Speaker 2: negatively impacted by it has been colossal. I guess right now,
Speaker 2: the individuals that are listening and all of us, it's
Speaker 2: kind of we're in a challenging place because I think
Speaker 2: people want to be healthier, but they feel extremely conditioned
Speaker 2: by how they've been raised, they grew up, the kinds
Speaker 2: of foods that they've been exposed to, the types of
Speaker 2: convenience as you said that they have already. And I
Speaker 2: find that that's probably one of the hardest things, is
Speaker 2: habit change, because like you said, we've marched so far
Speaker 2: away from being at one with the environment, or being
Speaker 2: at one with the soil, or being so close to
Speaker 2: our food, and now it's being so far away that
Speaker 2: it almost feels more abnormal to go back to nature
Speaker 2: because of the conditioning that exists, and so how difficult
Speaker 2: have you found it to help people actually reconnect with
Speaker 2: that which we've forgotten, when that's actually who we were.
Speaker 2: If that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I think it's almost impossible when you sit down with
Speaker 1: somebody in the constructor I'm going to prove to you
Speaker 1: that you're wrong. But it's incredibly easy to get there
Speaker 1: when you start in a state of compassion. Compassion is
Speaker 1: a much different energy than empathy, and I think we've
Speaker 1: lost compassion for our belief and empathy. Empathy is that
Speaker 1: effort to bring my energy, my vibration to your vibration.
Speaker 1: Let you be the tuning fork, because you might have
Speaker 1: been just been diagnosed with a condition. If I sit
Speaker 1: down with a cancer patient, their vibration is in fear
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe guilt and shame because they're gonna
Speaker 1: leave their children behind at a young age or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. And so if I dive into empathy and
Speaker 1: try to match that vibration, we get stuck there. We
Speaker 1: get stuck in the fear, guilt, shame paradigm, and I'm
Speaker 1: suddenly steeped in fear of like, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: equipped to help you free yourself with this disease. I
Speaker 1: think you are going to die, I think that you know,
Speaker 1: and so I have these deep fears within me around
Speaker 1: the death of my patient, and they have that deep
Speaker 1: fear of death within themselves. And so that's typically where
Speaker 1: we go as humans right now, as we're taught that
Speaker 1: this empathic state of what is the vibration of the
Speaker 1: other person across from you? Can you match that that
Speaker 1: before you're in it together, whereas compassion is a much
Speaker 1: different state of recognizing where they're at, listening to the
Speaker 1: song they're singing, but not becoming part of that symphony,
Speaker 1: and holding this other space, this other potential reality of Okay,
Speaker 1: yes this has happened, but what is the alternative to it?
Speaker 1: And I think you lose that when you slip into
Speaker 1: that fear state, when you lose your creativity. As soon
Speaker 1: as that fight or flight state kicks in on your
Speaker 1: sympathetic nervous system, the creative part of your brain shuts down.
Speaker 1: When we stimulate the adrenal glands, which is of course
Speaker 1: what we're doing to our children with adderall and all this,
Speaker 1: we stimulate with drugs those adrenal glands and they lose
Speaker 1: their creativity. So we have whole generations now that have
Speaker 1: been taught to answer multiple choice tests at the cost
Speaker 1: of their own creativity and performance is linked to their
Speaker 1: adrenaline levels. That is basically the same thing that's happening
Speaker 1: in every doctor's office in the world, as the physician
Speaker 1: is afraid that they're not going to prevent death in
Speaker 1: this patient, and the patient is afraid that they are dying.
Speaker 1: And for all that fear of an endpoint, we can't
Speaker 1: imagine life as a continuum, as a continuing energetic event
Speaker 1: that's vital and constantly regenerating itself. And so that's kind
Speaker 1: of the spiral that we were in and finding our
Speaker 1: way out of that had to deal with realize that
Speaker 1: nature has never seen an endpoint, has never seen death
Speaker 1: of an individual or species, as endpoints always new potential energy,
Speaker 1: and the beauty on this planet has continued to get
Speaker 1: more rich, more diverse, and ultimately more intelligent with every
Speaker 1: single iteration. We call it the sixth extinction that we're
Speaker 1: in because there's been five others, and yet life booms
Speaker 1: on this planet in ways that we couldn't have imagined
Speaker 1: before that last extinction. Sixty million years ago, the dinosaurs
Speaker 1: were walking around on top soil levels that were thirty
Speaker 1: feet deep. We're lucky to find three inches of good
Speaker 1: time soil on the Earth right now, thirty feet deep
Speaker 1: top soils, root systems of ferns and palms that allowed
Speaker 1: for those forms of vegetation to fuel those dinosaurs in
Speaker 1: to these massive bodies, because there was so much nutrition,
Speaker 1: so much energy available. And then the top topsoil died.
Speaker 1: An asteroid hit, It choked the top soils out, and
Speaker 1: life on Earth disappeared for a moment, and then it
Speaker 1: came back, not with dinosaurs, but with birds, mammals, humans,
Speaker 1: not with palms and ferns, but palms, ferns and flowering trees,
Speaker 1: deciduous trees, flowering plants, wild flowers, and so this has
Speaker 1: been a journey of iteration on this planet of life
Speaker 1: more rich and more intelligent at every single turn. And
Speaker 1: this needs to be embraced as a society right now,
Speaker 1: as we anticipate the death of many things, we need
Speaker 1: to get excited for what will come next. More richness,
Speaker 1: more beauty is going to happen, and that's programmed into
Speaker 1: the matrix of life. It will get better, it will
Speaker 1: get more diverse, and it will get more intelligent. And
Speaker 1: if we imagine the Earth leaping from dinosaurs to birds
Speaker 1: and mammals and humans. Where do we go from birds,
Speaker 1: mammals and humans to what? What species has this Earth
Speaker 1: already imagined and already coated for in the virom? The
Speaker 1: virom is a description of a library of genetic potential.
Speaker 1: It's all of the viruses of the planet. It's a database.
Speaker 1: Those viruses are new potential genes waiting to be expressed
Speaker 1: by whatever life happens next. Right now, in my body,
Speaker 1: there's ten to fifteen viruses coursing through my bloodstream. It's
Speaker 1: ten billion viruses in my bloodstream right now. Not the
Speaker 1: same virus, has repeated, different viruses, ten billion new genes
Speaker 1: checking in with every cell in my body. To say,
Speaker 1: is this an opportunity? Is this an opportunity? Is this
Speaker 1: an opportunity? So as I let go of my own biology,
Speaker 1: if I let go of fear, guilt and shame, is
Speaker 1: there a possibility for me to leap forward with my
Speaker 1: own biology, with the genes that are within me right
Speaker 1: now coursing through my bloodstream. Because I'm a microcosm of
Speaker 1: extinction and rebirth. And this is where medicine has really
Speaker 1: failed us as it was a belief of scarcity rather
Speaker 1: than abundance, death rather than rebirth, fear of being that
Speaker 1: everything was against us rather than perhaps everything is for us.
Speaker 1: And this has been slippery journey for me of realizing
Speaker 1: at each turn I under estimated our potential and we
Speaker 1: are sitting here at the pinnacle of a great rebirth
Speaker 1: of humanity if we choose to go that direction.
Speaker 2: I guess if anyone's feeling that way on a personal level,
Speaker 2: where they're living in that scarcity, they're living in that fear,
Speaker 2: they're living in that insecurity of and just challenge of
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. I don't know where
Speaker 2: to start. There's so many things that I need to
Speaker 2: sort out. With my health, there's you know, I'm worried
Speaker 2: about I keep hearing about my nervous system and the microbiome,
Speaker 2: and it just feels like overwhelming because we've been so
Speaker 2: uneducated and untrained in our bodies. Right, It's almost like
Speaker 2: we've been given these bodies since we've been born, but
Speaker 2: we're so uneducated about how to use them and what
Speaker 2: they need and what's good for them and what's bad
Speaker 2: for them. And so if someone's feeling in a state
Speaker 2: of overwhelm, Where do you suggest they begin.
Speaker 1: We've we've been working for the last fifteen years in
Speaker 1: our laboratory and in our clinics to sort out what's
Speaker 1: the simplest approach to beginning again, because I think we
Speaker 1: really are at the end of physiology. When we see
Speaker 1: two year olds with osteosarcoma, when we see fifteen year
Speaker 1: olds with psychotic major depression, and when we see a
Speaker 1: twenty year old with life threatening autommune disease. All of
Speaker 1: these conditions are saying that we need a radical revolution.
Speaker 1: And so we've been working through all of the complexity
Speaker 1: of the diseases and the root causes and everything else
Speaker 1: to find that there's really eight very basic things that
Speaker 1: start to build physiology from the ground up at the
Speaker 1: cell level and therefore at the organism level, and from
Speaker 1: the organism to the species. And those eight things really
Speaker 1: revolve around some very basic lifestyle interventions, the first of
Speaker 1: which is coming out of fear. And so we spend
Speaker 1: the first segment of this process of finding self within
Speaker 1: the context of all the anxiety that you have that
Speaker 1: you might feel like you're dying, that you feel like
Speaker 1: it's so feel like all the cards are stacked against you.
Speaker 1: How do we get out of that paradigm quickly? And
Speaker 1: that's an effort of really bringing the arrow inwards, because
Speaker 1: right now the medicine and the world at large are
Speaker 1: trying to point outside of you to say there's your problem,
Speaker 1: there's your problem, there's your problem, there's your problem, there's
Speaker 1: a problem. So turning that arrow inward to say, where's
Speaker 1: my solution? And you and I talked about this briefly
Speaker 1: before the podcast started, of like, how did you know
Speaker 1: your journey? How did you get from North London to
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and everything in between? And you answered very beautifully.
Speaker 1: You said, I just listened to my intuition and I
Speaker 1: never tried to judge it for did it make sense
Speaker 1: or non And that's basically what's happened at our clinic
Speaker 1: is we had to go inward and ask where does
Speaker 1: this health come from? Because I wasn't trained into health.
Speaker 1: I was trained into disease management. And so as myself
Speaker 1: and my colleagues started to put that arrow inward, we
Speaker 1: found while this is really exciting, it's super simple. In
Speaker 1: the end, It's not a thousand diseases against humans, It's
Speaker 1: one health waiting to emerge. And so as you come
Speaker 1: out of the fear paradigm and that external definition of
Speaker 1: self and you become you, then your guide is your
Speaker 1: future self, your highest self, whatever is it being expressed
Speaker 1: to make you alive today with a self identity, which
Speaker 1: is pretty bizarre. It's strange that you know, you wake
Speaker 1: up every morning and you know your Jay. It's strange
Speaker 1: that I haven't woken up and at some point thought
Speaker 1: I'm j shehddy because we're really the same thing, like
Speaker 1: we're saying biology same thing. I think I'm in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I could have bumped into the jwave very easily and
Speaker 1: been like, I'm Jay shehtdy. And yet you keep being you,
Speaker 1: no matter how close and proximity others are around you,
Speaker 1: no matter how much food you share the same beliefs,
Speaker 1: you share, the same You keep being you. And the
Speaker 1: really trippy thing is I get to in that ic
Speaker 1: U setting, see people let go of the body and die,
Speaker 1: heart stops, brain waves come to a standstill, they leave
Speaker 1: that body, and then they suddenly reanimate. We're doing chest compressions,
Speaker 1: we're shocking on whatever's going on, or sometimes they just
Speaker 1: spontaneously come back into that body, and they traveled after
Speaker 1: that body stopped, after that heartbeat stopped, they traveled around,
Speaker 1: sometimes in the room, sometimes great distances around the planets
Speaker 1: that visit loved ones, et cetera. Sometimes off the planet
Speaker 1: into the cosmos. And at no point in that after
Speaker 1: death journey do they lose track of their self identity.
Speaker 1: And so that is a very strange thing about near
Speaker 1: death experiences that has I think has been under explored.
Speaker 1: Your identity preceded your biologic expression and will follow your
Speaker 1: biologic expression as your body. But you're you when we
Speaker 1: begin health at that point of realizing that's a permanent
Speaker 1: condition that can't be destroyed by biologic processes. That's your
Speaker 1: original math. That's the vibration you're going to follow. For me,
Speaker 1: that's the anatomy of the soul. A soul is something
Speaker 1: that has been captured by the religious world to describe
Speaker 1: the thing that will supersede your life. But on the
Speaker 1: science side, it is perhaps a great description of the
Speaker 1: energy field that allows you to organize in your mother's womb.
Speaker 1: At the beginning of your one cell that starts to divide,
Speaker 1: just like a tumor divides, and then suddenly around replication
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty. You start to differentiate, and suddenly
Speaker 1: a cell becomes a kidney cell or anu logic cell
Speaker 1: or whatever it's going to become. And not only does
Speaker 1: it become a unique cell, it knows where to migrate
Speaker 1: to in a three dimensional map to become that organ system.
Speaker 1: And we cannot find that map in this inside the
Speaker 1: human cell or in biology. That map seems to be
Speaker 1: in the physics field, which is to say, in the
Speaker 1: electromagnetic field, which is to say, in the space between everything.
Speaker 1: Your body, as solid as it appears to me right now,
Speaker 1: is ninety nine point ninety nine nine percent vacuum space
Speaker 1: filled with an electromatic field, which is super dense that
Speaker 1: organizes the reality of tissue around it. This solid is
Speaker 1: organized by the vacuum. And so that thing, that thing
Speaker 1: that organizes jays shetty every millionth of a second to
Speaker 1: reorganize itself, because you just appear and reappear constantly, approximately
Speaker 1: every millionth of a second, and you keep being you,
Speaker 1: you keep coming back every millionth of a second, So
Speaker 1: one million times a second, I'm remanifesting in front of
Speaker 1: you with a map from that electromatic field. So perhaps
Speaker 1: that's the anatomy of the soul. Perhaps that's the thing
Speaker 1: that holds the original you, and we have set this
Speaker 1: world up for disease by convincing you you're a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of identities outside of yourself. You're a son, you're
Speaker 1: a father, you're a mother, you're an employer, you're an employee,
Speaker 1: you're a boss, this or that. It was Harely. The
Speaker 1: more altruistic those titles get, the more likely they are
Speaker 1: to diverge you from self. For me, that was the
Speaker 1: title doctor. The whole world wanted to make me feel
Speaker 1: like that was the most important thing I had accomplished,
Speaker 1: and this is what gave me value in society. And
Speaker 1: it's been a long, bumpy thirty years since getting that
Speaker 1: MD kind of in behind my name to realize it's
Speaker 1: not the thing, It's not me. I'm something bigger than that.
Speaker 1: I am something more true, true than a compilation of
Speaker 1: somebody else's curriculum and some doctor's title. And when you
Speaker 1: find that original vibration of this is me, you become
Speaker 1: very potent. We start to tune to something bigger than
Speaker 1: the biology would have you believe in, and in that
Speaker 1: you start to do something different. With your relationship to everything.
Speaker 1: And that's the a point journey that we've put together
Speaker 1: for the Journey of Intrinsic Health, which is our program
Speaker 1: that we've been helping answer that question how do you
Speaker 1: get to health? These eight steps are laid out in
Speaker 1: this eight week journey and it's about that change of
Speaker 1: relationship to your food, to actually water. Water is really
Speaker 1: backwards as to our understanding of how we hydrate and
Speaker 1: what water is. And then we also get confused about
Speaker 1: breath and our relationships to each each little respiration we take.
Speaker 1: We're confused about what it happens when we fast and
Speaker 1: what does that paucity of stress on the neurologic system
Speaker 1: look like. Confused about exercise. We do exercise backwards as well,
Speaker 1: and so it's re forming the relationship to all of
Speaker 1: these lifestyle things that you've been told are important, but
Speaker 1: when you go and do the thing that's important, you
Speaker 1: don't get healthier. And that was a big question mark
Speaker 1: for all of us in the medical field of like,
Speaker 1: we know people should exercise, and yet when we tell
Speaker 1: people who are overweight and diabetic to go exercise, they
Speaker 1: don't actually consistently lose weight, and they very rarely improve
Speaker 1: their diabetes. Why is that we know movement is important
Speaker 1: and yet it's not working. And I think it's because
Speaker 1: of this externalization of everything. And so since you're not you,
Speaker 1: and you're this external representation of yourself, your relationship to
Speaker 1: all these things food, movement, breath, fasting, the rest are
Speaker 1: all backwards as well. And so this is the eight
Speaker 1: week journey into the obvious, but in a completely new
Speaker 1: lens of everything's going to go internal instead of externally
Speaker 1: sought after. And that's changed a lot of everything, and
Speaker 1: it's allowed me to close my physical clinic where I
Speaker 1: was seeing one patient of time and go to a
Speaker 1: coaching model where we are witnessed to the healing process
Speaker 1: rather than mandating the healing process, rather than the prescriptive
Speaker 1: process of an MD writing down eight prescriptions and saying
Speaker 1: this will make you better, realizing that can never make
Speaker 1: anybody bigger better because those prescriptions are eight externals, you know,
Speaker 1: stimuli that have absolutely nothing to do with the roof
Speaker 1: cause of their disease. And so this has been an
Speaker 1: exciting journey of reversing out of my education and into
Speaker 1: the realization that there's nothing more beautiful and potent than
Speaker 1: a human being in their own field, in their own self,
Speaker 1: in their own original math.
Speaker 2: I'd love to dive into some of those eight if
Speaker 2: it's okay, because I think identity is such a cool one,
Speaker 2: which you just touched on beautifully there. You touched on
Speaker 2: water there. I'd love to understand a bit more about that,
Speaker 2: because I think that's kind of like not even talked about.
Speaker 2: I've barely heard. I don't know my wife's I always
Speaker 2: call my wife a water snob because she's very, very
Speaker 2: careful about the what do we drink and the what
Speaker 2: do we you know, shower with and everything else. But
Speaker 2: if you could guide us to understanding what you're sharing
Speaker 2: a new a week program around water, at least as
Speaker 2: a high level, could you guide us through that right now?
Speaker 1: When we think about liquid water, we tend to think
Speaker 1: of this stuff in this glass here and tastes good
Speaker 1: to drink, It feels good to drink when it's clean,
Speaker 1: and it has this kind of refreshing quality to it
Speaker 1: for a lot of us. But my body is seventy
Speaker 1: percent water, and not a single ounce of that is
Speaker 1: in this form. The vast majority of the water within
Speaker 1: my body is actually in a crystalline structure. If you've
Speaker 1: ever seen jello eaten jello made jello, you see liquid
Speaker 1: turn into a solid. And that gel like structure with
Speaker 1: hidden yellow is the result of complex crystal structures of
Speaker 1: the water organizing itself around proteins. And that's how I
Speaker 1: hold water. And it turns out that my biologic age
Speaker 1: and my likelihood of disease correlates perfectly with how much
Speaker 1: crystal water do I hold. That crystal water is holding
Speaker 1: something within it, and it's light. In a very amazing
Speaker 1: bio logic phenomenon, this planet is able to capture solar
Speaker 1: energy in chlorophyll, which are tiny little mitochondria that live
Speaker 1: inside of plants, a little bacteria, and these chlorophyll have
Speaker 1: been able to take CO two and turn it into batteries,
Speaker 1: and the battery is a long chain of carbon double
Speaker 1: carbon bond is the most efficient battery ever invented by
Speaker 1: nature that takes no energy to maintain the light within that.
Speaker 1: So sunlight is captured between two CO two molecules and
Speaker 1: then eight and then twelve, and these long carbon chains,
Speaker 1: and then we digest those by consuming food, and we
Speaker 1: liberate glucose sugars carbohydrates, fatty acids, and the oils in
Speaker 1: our foods, and we package that up in our liver
Speaker 1: and send it out to every cell in the body.
Speaker 1: And it turns out that human cells don't know how
Speaker 1: to use any of that glucose for fatty acids. There's
Speaker 1: no mechanism for releasing the sunlight, so it has to
Speaker 1: pass it down to the mitochondria living inside our cells.
Speaker 1: So it's basically the mitochondria in plants communicating potential energy
Speaker 1: to the mitochondria within us. Those mitochondria start breaking apart
Speaker 1: the CO two and start releasing sunlight back into the
Speaker 1: side of their matrix, and that's what's being held within
Speaker 1: the crystal structure of water. And it turns out that
Speaker 1: when I drink water like this, I'm doing very little
Speaker 1: to support the crystalline structure within my cells. For this
Speaker 1: to turn into a crystal, it takes a complex relationship
Speaker 1: to a vast array of salts, mineral amino acid complexes,
Speaker 1: and protein structures. And that's where we kind of lost
Speaker 1: the hydration story. If I drink this water's going to
Speaker 1: feel good. It's going to feel like I'm hydrating myself
Speaker 1: for a few minutes. But I'm going to pee this
Speaker 1: out in the next forty five minutes. It'll if I
Speaker 1: haven't emptied my bladder, it will be citty in my bladder.
Speaker 1: It's no longer in my body. It's outside of my
Speaker 1: body again. Because this pure water has no reservoir in
Speaker 1: my body. It has to pass quickly through my bloodstream
Speaker 1: back to the kidneys and get out to my urine.
Speaker 1: And so the journey into health is really a rediscovery
Speaker 1: of how do you get water into the crystal stage.
Speaker 1: And it's a complex journey in some ways, but it
Speaker 1: is an exciting premise to begin with. Is I need
Speaker 1: to be more full of light? How do I become
Speaker 1: more full of light so that I'm more vital, so
Speaker 1: I can repair at a faster rate than ever before.
Speaker 1: Because there's more poisons in my environment than any other
Speaker 1: time in human history, I need more crystalline structure. And
Speaker 1: so we reevaluate water at that journey from your gut
Speaker 1: into the crystal form inside your cells, where it turns
Speaker 1: into that gel battery storage place for that light liberation
Speaker 1: from the sunlight, for the animation of life to happen.
Speaker 1: And so that's a little bit of a nutshell of
Speaker 1: a lot more content that can be drilled into. But
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of that flip on the head
Speaker 1: of water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and you said you can actually
Speaker 2: test you can actually see your age through the quality
Speaker 2: of that crystalline structure. You can test for that. How
Speaker 2: do you test for that?
Speaker 1: The easiest way to test for is a relatively old technology.
Speaker 1: It's called a phase angle calculation. But you use an
Speaker 1: impedance monitor, which is a description of just measurement of resistance.
Speaker 1: And it looks like ekg leads. If you've ever seen
Speaker 1: an ekge twelve leads around the heart and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: They're sticky little paths. You'll put one on the wrists,
Speaker 1: one on the forefinger, one on the ankle, one on
Speaker 1: the toe, and then you lay perfectly flat and you
Speaker 1: measure across that column of water that's now at an
Speaker 1: equal lateral level to the Earth and to gravity. You
Speaker 1: measure the amount of electrical resistance across that column, and
Speaker 1: from that you can calculate, based on body weight and
Speaker 1: your height and all this stuff, how much water is
Speaker 1: inside every cell. And when you calculate that, then you
Speaker 1: get a very good biologic age and biological estimate of
Speaker 1: your vitality. An ideal phase angle is up around ten twelve.
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody at ten or twelve. The healthiest
Speaker 1: patients walking my clinic are typically around a seven or
Speaker 1: an eight on their phase angle. Anybody coming in with disease,
Speaker 1: let's go with cancer for the endpoint. There is typically
Speaker 1: around a four. Death happens at three point five. And
Speaker 1: so what I just told you is ideal health is ten,
Speaker 1: death is three point five, and cancer shows up at four.
Speaker 1: And here we're telling everybody they're dying of cancer. As
Speaker 1: it turns out, when you look at the simple reality
Speaker 1: of water inside a cell, cancer is one of the
Speaker 1: last symptoms of a complete disconnect from the energetics of life.
Speaker 1: Cancer happens when you no longer are connected to the
Speaker 1: energy of that plant, of that chlorophyll, of that sunlight
Speaker 1: that charged life in the first place. And so that's
Speaker 1: where we go with this eight week journey is where
Speaker 1: did it break down? How did you go from ten
Speaker 1: to three? How did you get from ten to four?
Speaker 1: Whatever it is? And then how do we start to
Speaker 1: back you up that track of crystaline water? How do
Speaker 1: we get your body to hold more light energy? So
Speaker 1: that you're more vital, so that you accelerate every enzyme process, detoxification, repair, regeneration,
Speaker 1: protein structures throughout all matrices. All of that happens automatically
Speaker 1: when the light goes up. You mentioned a product earlier,
Speaker 1: the gut supplement you probably got put on by your nutritionus.
Speaker 1: But the journey into that phenomenon was our understanding of
Speaker 1: soil and food And how did it break down so
Speaker 1: quickly was the question we were trying to answer. How
Speaker 1: did we go from nineteen ninety two to two thousand
Speaker 1: and two that ten years saw the complete dissolution of
Speaker 1: human health across all ages, across all organ systems in
Speaker 1: a ten year period, across all peoples. Really that we're
Speaker 1: touching Western civilization, Western food systems. And in that journey
Speaker 1: we discovered glyphisate, and glyphasate is the primary herbicide or
Speaker 1: weed killer in the vast majority ninety plus percent of
Speaker 1: the weed killers on the planet. We now spend billions
Speaker 1: of dollars a year spraying this thing into our environment.
Speaker 1: We have an estimated four billion pounds of glyfe staate
Speaker 1: being sprayed into our soil and water systems worldwide. And
Speaker 1: it turns out as our laboratory has been studying this
Speaker 1: compound for a decade now. Every time you touch human
Speaker 1: cell systems with glyfe state the communication between them, it
Speaker 1: disconnects you from the boundary of being human, and it
Speaker 1: dissolves that to the point where you don't know where
Speaker 1: your begin or end of human biology, and your immune
Speaker 1: sism has to turn on to fight everything. So you
Speaker 1: were eating pretty healthy, you were exercising, you were living
Speaker 1: a pretty affluent lifestyle compared to the rest of the world, perhaps,
Speaker 1: and yet you weren't thriving because there was a chemical
Speaker 1: now in your food that was dissolving the boundary event
Speaker 1: and your energy was now leaking out of your body.
Speaker 1: Quite literally. We've popularized the term leaky gut, but it's
Speaker 1: much deeper than that. That that's happening at the individual
Speaker 1: cell level. That's leaking the light, leaking water outside of itself.
Speaker 1: And if you can't hold that crystalline water, you can't
Speaker 1: hold the vitality, the energetics of the plants you're eating,
Speaker 1: of the nutrition you're eating, and so you start to
Speaker 1: fade with your energy levels, and with less energy, you
Speaker 1: repair less well, and you start into this chronic disease
Speaker 1: that happened between nineteen ninety two and two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: chrontic fittigue, centers, chronic pain, everything mentioned. And so that
Speaker 1: was your personal journey. And then you got put on
Speaker 1: a supplement. What is that supplement? It's not actually a
Speaker 1: traditional supplement. Most supplements are like pieces of the nutrition
Speaker 1: cascade of a vitamin or a mineral or protein or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. This is way way upstream of that.
Speaker 1: This is not a nutrient. This is in fact the
Speaker 1: small carbon molecules that form a redoc singling system, which
Speaker 1: is a fancy word for a wireless communication network between
Speaker 1: your cells. There's two ways cells communicate. One is through
Speaker 1: hard fiber optic cables they can pass light energy back
Speaker 1: and forth for communication. And the other one is through
Speaker 1: this more ethereal wireless communication similar to your cell phone.
Speaker 1: Your cell phone sits there all the time with a
Speaker 1: complex transmitter in there. A transceiver really can receive and
Speaker 1: transmit tiny little signals, but it has to be picked
Speaker 1: up by a cell phone tier that will propagate that
Speaker 1: information at distance. So I can talk to my grandmother.
Speaker 1: For me to talk three thousand miles away, I need
Speaker 1: lots and lots of connections between all those cell towers
Speaker 1: to cascade through to carry that message. If you lose
Speaker 1: one cell tower nearby, your cell phone selling doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Nothing broke in the cell phone is an important, real reality.
Speaker 1: It just can't reach the bigger system. And so the
Speaker 1: disease of today is not actually a disease of a
Speaker 1: single cell. It's a failure of that wireless communication network.
Speaker 1: And so when a single cell gets injured, now it
Speaker 1: can't send out the signal of hey, I'm injured, I
Speaker 1: need repair, and it sits there and accumulates injury. And
Speaker 1: without accumulation of injury, we reach cancer. Cancer is a
Speaker 1: single human cell that has twenty thousand unrepaired genetic injuries
Speaker 1: in it. And so this journey towards cancer is not
Speaker 1: only a loss of electric light and light potential. It's
Speaker 1: a loss of communication and the loss of that regenerative potential.
Speaker 1: And so we now have a whole society of humans,
Speaker 1: eight billion of us that are losing our light. We
Speaker 1: are dimming, and we are losing our cell cell communication.
Speaker 1: The cell phone towers are going down and we cannot repair.
Speaker 1: But nature always prepares for the worst, and the antidote
Speaker 1: it turns out to the death of communication, which is
Speaker 1: happening at the human level is actually the microbiome, which
Speaker 1: is a term that's now thrown around a lot, and
Speaker 1: I think we all have a vague understanding. I think
Speaker 1: that's like bacteria or something, but really what it's describing
Speaker 1: as complex ecosystem. It's thousands, if not tens of thousands,
Speaker 1: if not millions, of different species of bacteria, fungi, protozoa,
Speaker 1: and human cells alike, all getting into this coherent communication network.
Speaker 1: And so the microbiome is a description of a complex
Speaker 1: landscape of biodiversity. And each of those microbes, bacteria, fungi, protozoa,
Speaker 1: and the like are making another variant to these small
Speaker 1: carbon snowflakes. And when those carbon snowflakes go into a
Speaker 1: liquid state, into the aqueous state of your bloodstream, or
Speaker 1: into that semi aquis state of the gael within your cells,
Speaker 1: they're able to transmit information long distances. And so we
Speaker 1: started extracting these from fossil soils before the last extinction
Speaker 1: sixty million years ago. Again, thirty foot top soil levels
Speaker 1: the healthiest microbiome the planet has ever seen. And so
Speaker 1: we back into the fossil layer of soil and start
Speaker 1: extracting that communication network. And the first time we put
Speaker 1: this on human cells was twenty twelve, and I got
Speaker 1: to see in my lab, which was rudimentary at the time,
Speaker 1: some of the most ridiculous things happened in a petri
Speaker 1: dish that I just didn't even believe possible. And it
Speaker 1: was a journey from stop asking questions about the cancer cells.
Speaker 1: We were talking and asking questions and studying too healthy biology.
Speaker 1: Is are we witnessing health in a petri dish? Is
Speaker 1: that's what's really happening because so many things we're fixing
Speaker 1: and repairing at such a rate I've never imagined before.
Speaker 1: And so it's been a very exciting journey to realize
Speaker 1: that the Earth has coded into her deep fossil soils
Speaker 1: a communication network that can help us out of our crisis,
Speaker 1: that can help us beyond this isolation of the single
Speaker 1: human cell, and ultimately the isolation of a single human species,
Speaker 1: back into an interpretive dance with life itself. This vast
Speaker 1: biology within us and around us as ready to re engage.
Speaker 1: We just need those cell phone towers up and running,
Speaker 1: but in our bodies, and that's what happened to you
Speaker 1: when you started ion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, thank you for explaining that. It's incredible how
Speaker 2: little we know. I mean, when I'm listening to you,
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking to myself, I'm like, we we just
Speaker 2: don't know enough, and individually and collectively as well. But
Speaker 2: one of the things you talked about water. We talked
Speaker 2: about a bit about microbiom which I want to get
Speaker 2: back into, but a big area that you're focusing on
Speaker 2: is soil regeneration. I think that's been something that's been
Speaker 2: more recently talked about as opposed to something that we've
Speaker 2: thrown around as you were saying about the microbiome. But
Speaker 2: talk us through that very key element of the environment,
Speaker 2: and again, if you can give us that sort of
Speaker 2: synopsis version as you did with water, for us to
Speaker 2: just understand the value of that, because I want people
Speaker 2: to go and follow you and figure out through your
Speaker 2: work the depths of everything we're discussing today. But I
Speaker 2: think think at least for the benefit of this conversation,
Speaker 2: if people could get a sense of just the breadth
Speaker 2: of areas that we may know. Me considering a negatively
Speaker 2: impacting my health, just as you said, I had no
Speaker 2: idea when I was taking eye on what was really
Speaker 2: going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: I want to step in that first point for you too.
Speaker 1: You made the statement that we don't know enough, and
Speaker 1: that's how I felt most of my life as a doctor.
Speaker 1: That's what led to seventeen years of higher education and
Speaker 1: chasing that proverbial knowledge that i'd feel less afraid. I
Speaker 1: feel like my whole world has just flipped on its
Speaker 1: head in the last fifteen years to the point where
Speaker 1: I now realize I know everything, but I don't know
Speaker 1: it up in my head. I have access to information
Speaker 1: throughout the cosmos through something deeper than my mind. And
Speaker 1: that's again where you are acting from in your career,
Speaker 1: and not just in your career, with your interaction with
Speaker 1: humans in general. Your recent book on human relationships, not
Speaker 1: just the relationship to human cells, to human beings. How
Speaker 1: do we start to relate differently than we have in
Speaker 1: the past, And that journey, I think is really exciting
Speaker 1: to realize we actually know everything if we listen inside.
Speaker 1: And this is the experience I'm sure you had in
Speaker 1: those few years living as a monk and everything else.
Speaker 1: When you spend more time in silence than you do talking,
Speaker 1: you find you know so much and it's not something
Speaker 1: up in your head. It's not an intelligence, it's a connection.
Speaker 1: The real truth within you will be remembered rather than discovered,
Speaker 1: and so that is an exciting journey into Let's take
Speaker 1: a deep breath and realize nobody knows about crystal water,
Speaker 1: or nobody knows about all this stuff, and that doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: because ultimately it shows the layers that I can show
Speaker 1: you in our laboratory will give you a glimpse of
Speaker 1: beauty that you may not have been realizing it. But
Speaker 1: how you get to that beauty is something you all
Speaker 1: innately know. Your relationship to your water, to your food,
Speaker 1: and ultimately to your soil and ultimately to your planet
Speaker 1: is something that precedes human intellect, human consciousness. And so
Speaker 1: we are now in a state of being where we
Speaker 1: can actually realize, Okay, if everything existed, our capacity to
Speaker 1: become human existed before the moment we were human, what
Speaker 1: does that mean for our connection to the future. It's
Speaker 1: already here, It's already connected. It's already manifesting through the
Speaker 1: genome of the viruses, through the genetic potential of the
Speaker 1: planet itself. It's already here. So not only do I
Speaker 1: know myself right now, I have access to information of
Speaker 1: the future because it's already coded for in biology that
Speaker 1: hasn't quite yet appeared, but the information is already there.
Speaker 1: In the same way I can remember the past because
Speaker 1: it's coded for in my genes, that all the trauma,
Speaker 1: all the remembrance, is all the experience of my ancestors.
Speaker 1: It coded for in my genetic code. It's not in
Speaker 1: my head, it's within every single cell of my body
Speaker 1: resonating in a crystalline structure that we would call the
Speaker 1: fourth phase of water. And we resonate in that liquid
Speaker 1: crystal state to no self and then to express self
Speaker 1: within that mature so deep breath for all of us
Speaker 1: right now this part of the podcast of like, you
Speaker 1: know what we're connected to all of it. We don't
Speaker 1: need to know it in our heads because we already
Speaker 1: have access to it.
Speaker 2: Beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then the soil, So how does the soil come
Speaker 1: into importance? A soil is a living life form, the
Speaker 1: most complex living life form on the planet and in
Speaker 1: life itself, as we understand it, We've never measured a
Speaker 1: more beautiful system of than the soil. A teaspoon of
Speaker 1: soil has more organisms than our humans on the entire
Speaker 1: planet a teaspoon, and so that there's a complexity and
Speaker 1: a brilliance and a beauty of that living ecosystem of
Speaker 1: soil that dwarfs our current understanding of cell biology. We
Speaker 1: can't actually measure in a petri dish that behavior eight
Speaker 1: billion different species and a teaspoon of soil, because we
Speaker 1: haven't developed good enough scientific measures and fast enough computers
Speaker 1: to compute that much information so fast. So we tend
Speaker 1: to study one species of bacteria and make a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of conclusions that maybe it's bad for us. Well,
Speaker 1: this whole concept of bad bacteria and good bacteria of
Speaker 1: the probotics has really dissolved. Now we realize there is
Speaker 1: no such thing as a good bacteria or a bad bacteria.
Speaker 1: There's only a healthy ecosystem or a monoculture. Monoculture or
Speaker 1: the death of biodiversity is the demise of life. A
Speaker 1: push towards biodiversity is the matrix of health. And it
Speaker 1: is unfortunate that over the last one hundred years we've
Speaker 1: developed a deep economic and physical labor dependence on chemicals
Speaker 1: for our farming and agriculture. These chemicals destroy the biodiversity
Speaker 1: of every ounce of soil we put these chemicals on.
Speaker 1: They function as antibiotics. Glyphsate, that most common of herbicides,
Speaker 1: has been patent as an antibiotic, antifungal, antiparasite. It literally
Speaker 1: demolishes life within the soil that it touches. And yet
Speaker 1: this is what farmers are trained to use. We genetically
Speaker 1: modified all of our seeds so that the food would
Speaker 1: be sprayed repeatedly through its lifespan with that chemical, and
Speaker 1: so round up ready seeds means poison tall in food system.
Speaker 1: But when as a microbiome you are not prepared for
Speaker 1: that poison, or as a consumer as an animal upstream,
Speaker 1: you're not prepared for that injury, you become poisoned in
Speaker 1: a way in which you are right not round up ready.
Speaker 1: Neither was your microbiome in your gut, which is your
Speaker 1: soil system. And so all this focus on gut health
Speaker 1: of the last ten years is simply a description of
Speaker 1: soil is important. It's where life comes from. Life comes
Speaker 1: out of biodiversity and relationship cooperation of biodiverse inputs. Regina
Speaker 1: agriculture is a description of this revolution that is a
Speaker 1: foot that we are participating in our nonprofit Farmer's Footprint
Speaker 1: has been part of this effort to increase awareness and learning,
Speaker 1: impact and innovation around the opportunity for farmers to shift
Speaker 1: away from the belief that they're there to grow bushels
Speaker 1: of corn and instead they're there to grow life within
Speaker 1: their soil systems. And when every day they wake up
Speaker 1: asking how can I create more life and diversity within
Speaker 1: my soils instead of what can I kill today? Which
Speaker 1: is what chemical farm is, which invasive weeds are now
Speaker 1: attacking what you know, I ICU life support. Do I
Speaker 1: need to put my farm on? Oh gosh, I'm out
Speaker 1: of all these nutrients. So I need to intraveniously inject
Speaker 1: all these nutrients with all these chemical inputs. It's an
Speaker 1: ICU condition in the farm, just as is an ICU
Speaker 1: condition in my hospital. And so this is a journey
Speaker 1: really into realizing that we are doing ICU care because
Speaker 1: we lost the matrix of life, which is biodversity, which
Speaker 1: is the soil within your gut, soil beneath your feet.
Speaker 1: And it's exciting to realize that we can participate this
Speaker 1: at every level. If we walk out in your yard
Speaker 1: right now you have an American lawn, and an American
Speaker 1: lawn is the third largest crop grown in the United States.
Speaker 1: There are forty million acres of lawn Kentucky blue crass
Speaker 1: grown in this country. There's only one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: million acres of farmland forty million acres of grass. So
Speaker 1: that it looks nice or whatever it is, we have
Speaker 1: lots of reasons convenient in as mowed whatever. If we
Speaker 1: were to take that forty million acres of lawn and
Speaker 1: convert that to food force in our backyards, front yards
Speaker 1: and the rest, we would never go hungry. In the
Speaker 1: next seventy generations. There could not be hunger because we
Speaker 1: would have so much food bursting from every yard. In
Speaker 1: World War Two, we came close. We had lost the
Speaker 1: food system, we had lost supply chains, we'd lost economics,
Speaker 1: and so we were growing our food in our backyards again.
Speaker 1: By nineteen forty five, Americans and the British in London
Speaker 1: and unres were growing forty five percent of their food
Speaker 1: system in their backyard victory gardens. We called them victory
Speaker 1: gardens because the campaign was if you don't grow your
Speaker 1: own food, we're all going to lose. The war if
Speaker 1: you grow your own food, we will be victorious. Russians
Speaker 1: long knew this. Russians had really built really complex systems
Speaker 1: of what we call today peasant farming systems, where there
Speaker 1: was a lot of redundancy and a lot of hyper
Speaker 1: local marketplaces for food systems. Russians survived some of the
Speaker 1: worst fast starvation events in history during World War two,
Speaker 1: and they won the war against the Third Reich for
Speaker 1: their resilience, and a lot of that resilience was their
Speaker 1: connection in age, their proximity to their food system. Their
Speaker 1: Germans ultimately failed because they had three thousand mile supply
Speaker 1: chains and the food couldn't get to them. Today, the
Speaker 1: United States of America is failing because we have three
Speaker 1: thousand mile supply chains to the food that's not grown
Speaker 1: here in this country anymore, because all of our soil
Speaker 1: is dead. The cost of putting seed in the ground
Speaker 1: now exceeds the cost that they can be sold for.
Speaker 1: And so we have all these governed subsidies to keep
Speaker 1: telling farmers to plant genetically modified crops and put them
Speaker 1: under dollar expensive high intensity inputs, which is bankrupt between
Speaker 1: basically every farm and they're all on life support economically
Speaker 1: getting these subsidies that we call USDA Crop Insurance and
Speaker 1: all these fake things boosting up dead soil, dead dirt.
Speaker 1: And so if there is a belief of homeland security,
Speaker 1: if there's really a belief of nations are capable of safety,
Speaker 1: you have to begin with the soil. And presidents long
Speaker 1: back I've recognized this. Franklin Delamo Roosevelt said the future
Speaker 1: of every country is in their soil. And he said
Speaker 1: that because we were in the dust Bowl, which was
Speaker 1: a devastation of our top soils due to poor farming practice,
Speaker 1: and we were starving as a nation. My grandfather worked
Speaker 1: in the White House with the Roosevelts, and he was
Speaker 1: the head of Philansbury and the New Deal in getting
Speaker 1: these soup kitchens rebuilt, and so traveling around with Elinori
Speaker 1: Roosevelt serving suit lines that were miles long of people
Speaker 1: starving in this country because they're top soil to died.
Speaker 1: So twice in a single century we've destroyed our top
Speaker 1: soils through poor understanding of biology originally and now a
Speaker 1: codependence on chemical farming and antibiotics as a mechanism for
Speaker 1: growing food, and so for that we have three thousand
Speaker 1: mile supply chains and every city has now become a
Speaker 1: really vulnerable island. And we saw that in the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Suddenly the grocery store shelves were empty because the ships
Speaker 1: couldn't get into the ports, the trucks had stopped driving,
Speaker 1: and there was no food on shelves. Is a very
Speaker 1: desperate situation we're in the United States, but unfortunately we
Speaker 1: have exported that behavior of food systems to the entire
Speaker 1: developed world. London is now as vulnerable as the United States,
Speaker 1: and the rest. Paris is vulnerable. Los Angeles, where we
Speaker 1: sit today, has a three day food supply to millions
Speaker 1: and millions of people, and so if an earthquake happens
Speaker 1: and disrupts the one highway system that comes into Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: we will lose our food supply in three days, and
Speaker 1: we will have a massive riot and humanitarian crisis on
Speaker 1: our hands. We are an island unto ourselves, and our
Speaker 1: food is three thousand miles away and we're not realizing it. Instead,
Speaker 1: we have forty million acres of grass that we can't eat,
Speaker 1: and we're spraying that with roundup in our backyards to
Speaker 1: kill the few dandelions, which are the only edible and
Speaker 1: anti cancer compound that's in your backyard right now. And
Speaker 1: so we need to start realizing we need to eat
Speaker 1: that dandalion green, not the dandeline flower. Even before it flowers.
Speaker 1: You're eating that green, and you're getting the nutrients, and
Speaker 1: you're getting life back in and you go beyond that
Speaker 1: and you say, let's get some beats and turnips and
Speaker 1: all the rest. Let's get some other root vegetables in there,
Speaker 1: and suddenly your backyard could turn into a bounty of
Speaker 1: safety for your family, for your community and the rest.
Speaker 1: And so this is the paradigm shift that Farmer's Footprint
Speaker 1: is really working on, is can we realize how vulnerable
Speaker 1: we've made ourselves as individuals, not just at the biological
Speaker 1: level level of our chronic disease, but also the societal
Speaker 1: level as we have divorced ourselves from soil.
Speaker 2: Is there any way I mean hearing that, is there
Speaker 2: any way to have an optimal life still eating from
Speaker 2: a supermarket like the idea that you know, I'm assuming
Speaker 2: that the majority of people listening are not going to
Speaker 2: rush to start growing something in their backyard, not that
Speaker 2: they should not, and not that we're not encouraging it.
Speaker 2: I think it's incredible when people can. But again, going
Speaker 2: back to that conditioning habit formation, all the challenges that
Speaker 2: come with that, what can we eat or how do
Speaker 2: we eat in order to protect ourselves?
Speaker 1: Well, we learned it in space. During the pandemic. You
Speaker 1: might remember there was a moment where we every place
Speaker 1: in the country sold out of seeds and so we
Speaker 1: started growing again. And we're seeing a very exciting movement
Speaker 1: in young people right now. A lot of people are
Speaker 1: leaving the cities to go start farming. They've never farmed before,
Speaker 1: they have absolutely no idea, but they have this deep
Speaker 1: knowingness inside of them that I'm supposed to get not
Speaker 1: just to a farm, but I'm supposed to build community
Speaker 1: around that farm. So I'm going to take me and
Speaker 1: my best ten friends and we're going to move out
Speaker 1: into the country and we're going to start farming. And
Speaker 1: the regenera agricultural movement has been led mostly by women
Speaker 1: and mostly by youth in this country, and so there
Speaker 1: is a real movement not just here but now as
Speaker 1: we've spawned farmers footprint in the UK, farmers footprint in Australia,
Speaker 1: the Western world is starting to reimagine its relationship to
Speaker 1: food and soil. And it's really the women and the
Speaker 1: youth that are finding this path forward for us. And
Speaker 1: it's because I think deep inside of that feminine archetype
Speaker 1: that we all have access to male female arrest. That
Speaker 1: femine archetype is about nurture and it is about connection,
Speaker 1: and that's ultimately what I believe the regenda of agriculture
Speaker 1: movement is. In one word, it is a reconnect. Reconnect
Speaker 1: to nature and there's many ways to do it, and
Speaker 1: there's not a prescription for here's a regenitive farm. It's
Speaker 1: about listening into your nature, listening into the reality that's
Speaker 1: trying to express itself on that piece of land, and
Speaker 1: then being in support of that rather than trying to
Speaker 1: micromanage that thing. And so that's very much a femine
Speaker 1: archetype we can all connect to, is how do we
Speaker 1: let life start coming into our lives in a biodverse fashion.
Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily have to happen, just that the food
Speaker 1: and the soil can happen with your community and the
Speaker 1: inputs you're taking on. If your input every day is
Speaker 1: CNN or Fox News, you're gonna become a monocrop almost immediately.
Speaker 1: You're gonna lose all biodiversity of information. You're gonna become
Speaker 1: very monotonous in your belief systems. You're going to be
Speaker 1: very easy to push into a small box of fear,
Speaker 1: gill in shame. If you go out and nature and
Speaker 1: spend hours a day hiking and walking through nature and
Speaker 1: smelling real soil and touching ferns and being in awe
Speaker 1: of the wildflower and bathing in a waterfall, you can't
Speaker 1: be put in the same box because you are seeing
Speaker 1: the complexity and beauty of nature that predated our existence,
Speaker 1: let alone the existence of a television or a news
Speaker 1: channel or whatever it is. And so the excitement is
Speaker 1: for me, as far as way as this might sound
Speaker 1: to you right now, to be growing your own food
Speaker 1: all this time, you're just a few seconds away from
Speaker 1: your introduction to that universe. Get out to a park,
Speaker 1: preet a park, even lay down in somebody's yard that
Speaker 1: has a tree. If you lay down on your back
Speaker 1: and look up through the branches of a tree at
Speaker 1: a blue sky that has clouds passing over, your brain
Speaker 1: will start to rewire just with that light pattern that's
Speaker 1: coming through that tree, because in that it's like looking
Speaker 1: into a fire. If you can't do the tree, stare
Speaker 1: into a fire at night. If you can't do a fire,
Speaker 1: stare into a candle. Because in the frequencies of those
Speaker 1: inputs into our neurology, we put in information in the
Speaker 1: form of storytelling. A recent study demonstrated that if we
Speaker 1: look down at a fire, a fireplace between us here,
Speaker 1: If we look down at a fire around a campfire,
Speaker 1: the like all the stem cells in our bodies turn on.
Speaker 1: They tried to figure out, like, how is how are
Speaker 1: stem cells being activated by the fire, and turned out
Speaker 1: that it had to do with not just the fire
Speaker 1: and its presence, but our eye trajectory too. If I
Speaker 1: looked past the fire and didn't look into the fire,
Speaker 1: my stem cells didn't turn on. But if I dropped
Speaker 1: my gaze away from the horizon and looked down at
Speaker 1: the fire, my stem cells turn on. And I believe
Speaker 1: it a story of instead of chasing the future on
Speaker 1: the horizon, we need to look down into the energy
Speaker 1: that is between us, this fire that sits between us.
Speaker 1: We look down for a moment become present instead of
Speaker 1: future looking to the horizon. We've become present enough to
Speaker 1: sit in stillness and watch that vibrational experience of a
Speaker 1: red coal glowing and pulsing in the night. There's something
Speaker 1: in that that remembers ourselves. And it was around those
Speaker 1: fires that we sang our first songs, danced our first dances,
Speaker 1: and told our first stories as humanity. And that runs
Speaker 1: all the way to dead Today. The place I have
Speaker 1: felt as an earth lean for the first time in
Speaker 1: my half a century, it's in the African bush around fire,
Speaker 1: listening to African drums, hearing the vibration of voices and
Speaker 1: tongues that I have forgotten existed, and remembering that I
Speaker 1: find my humanity again. I realize I am from here,
Speaker 1: I do belong here, and I am of this place
Speaker 1: that is remembered around a fire. Looking down and so
Speaker 1: gather around a candle or a fire, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: It start to tell stories again of things remembered or
Speaker 1: of yesterday if you need to, but start telling story
Speaker 1: around flame, and that is maybe your journey back into
Speaker 1: growing a piece of food yourself in your backyard. There's
Speaker 1: going to be a deep remembrance of you. Of This
Speaker 1: is what peace feels like, This is what that pause does.
Speaker 1: Staring into the flame you can find in the silence
Speaker 1: necessary to find that guiding sense within you that we
Speaker 1: call intuition, that guiding sense that you have followed in
Speaker 1: your career to bring you to the success you've had.
Speaker 1: And so we all have that immediately available before we've
Speaker 1: even grown in our own food, before we've grown anything.
Speaker 1: All of that is intact. And I have again and
Speaker 1: again seen people on the deathbed. As a hospice doctor,
Speaker 1: I was admitting eighty patients a week to die. So
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of things that we call death.
Speaker 1: And even when biology is completely failing and they have
Speaker 1: a few heartbeat beads left, a few breaths yet to take,
Speaker 1: they can get into that fire moment and they are
Speaker 1: crossing the veil on their back again. They're crossing the
Speaker 1: veil and they're coming back. And then they open their eyes.
Speaker 1: And it happens so so often. Some of you who's
Speaker 1: been kind of in this comatose milieu of barely here,
Speaker 1: suddenly comes crystal clear, looks you in the face and
Speaker 1: says a deep truth that may or may not make
Speaker 1: sense as you the receiver, but in saying it, you
Speaker 1: can see them reconnect to their original self and they are
Speaker 1: more true to themselves in that moment of death than
Speaker 1: they ever were in their state of living, in a
Speaker 1: state of disconnect. And so it doesn't matter how close
Speaker 1: you are to death. That firelight is burning inside of you,
Speaker 1: if not in front of you, and in the silence
Speaker 1: in front of that fire, you can remember why you
Speaker 1: came here and why you did what you did. On
Speaker 1: purpose is your show, and it turns out purposes not
Speaker 1: outside of you. It's not something to go find, it's
Speaker 1: not something to go discover. That purpose is you being you,
Speaker 1: that original math that vibrates to animate your biology into
Speaker 1: a living life form for a moment that we would
Speaker 1: call a human life span. You're vibrating there, and the
Speaker 1: purpose is to be you in this form, to take
Speaker 1: in the light energy of the cosmos, of the food
Speaker 1: you eat, and express it in vitality within that liquid
Speaker 1: crystal of your body, to vibrate. It's the vibration that
Speaker 1: makes you alive. And that vibration can be shaped by
Speaker 1: your thoughts, your beliefs, the words you carry, and the
Speaker 1: feelings that you have towards one another. And so this
Speaker 1: is our moment right now, as we can burn bright
Speaker 1: at our death moment on our deathbed, sixty years, eighty
Speaker 1: years left, however long is there on our march into
Speaker 1: that we can rebirth now, to come off of hospice
Speaker 1: and become a new species, become a new humanity, become
Speaker 1: a new expression as we lose fear, guilt and shame
Speaker 1: because we look past the death that we all fear
Speaker 1: and realize that life is abundant, and it's infinite, and
Speaker 1: it's always in its next transformation, next expression, which is
Speaker 1: always chasing more beauty and more intelligence than the rest.
Speaker 1: And so we sit here around a fire now talking
Speaker 1: about the demise of all things to realize the birth
Speaker 1: of everything.
Speaker 2: I find your response is so refreshing. There is such
Speaker 2: a rejuvenation and rebirth hearing the ideas that you're sharing
Speaker 2: with the world, because I can definitely personally attest to
Speaker 2: so many of the things that you're mentioning, whether it's
Speaker 2: lying down under the tree looking through the branches, whether
Speaker 2: it's deeply excavating and looking at the roots of a plant,
Speaker 2: whether it's looking out into the sky or cloud gazing,
Speaker 2: which is probably one of my favorite things to do,
Speaker 2: which is why I live where I live, or whether
Speaker 2: it may be just feeling reconnected. One of my favorite
Speaker 2: things was when my wife and I went to Hawaii
Speaker 2: a few years ago, and we fell in love with
Speaker 2: it because we felt the people there had their own
Speaker 2: language for a culture that we've learned differently. So having
Speaker 2: studied the Vaders, the worship of the Sun and the
Speaker 2: moon as such big parts of the Vaders, and when
Speaker 2: we were in Hawaii, we would go out on a
Speaker 2: kayak every morning and pay our respects to the Sun,
Speaker 2: and it always felt beautiful to do it in the
Speaker 2: Hawaiian culture and through their traditions, and I remembered we
Speaker 2: walked around where they were showing us and the writings
Speaker 2: and the stories on their rock and there was this
Speaker 2: one particular one which repeated itself, which was a expanding circle.
Speaker 2: And it was said that whenever a child is born
Speaker 2: in Hawaii, it's umbilical cord is placed on the earth
Speaker 2: and a circle is drawn around it in that very spot,
Speaker 2: so they can always come back to that and remember
Speaker 2: that they're always connected to the earth and that's what
Speaker 2: they belong. It's incredible how these very simple ideas can
Speaker 2: be so sacred and so powerful. As you said, internally,
Speaker 2: you feel these things don't necessarily make sense in your head,
Speaker 2: or you can't compute them in a logical reasoning point
Speaker 2: of view, but you can feel them. Even when we
Speaker 2: were there, you could see it and you could feel it.
Speaker 2: You mentioned twice there, you mentioned at the beginning breath
Speaker 2: as one of the elements. You then mentioned it again
Speaker 2: when people in their last breath. Could you walk us
Speaker 2: through the same kind of refreshing insight on breath.
Speaker 1: Mechanism of breathing is the allowance to create new life.
Speaker 1: And we exhale so that we can breathe back in.
Speaker 1: And if you've ever been told suddenly in an audience,
Speaker 1: like okay, everybody, inhale, it's very hard to inhale because
Speaker 1: they didn't tell you to exhale, And so to really
Speaker 1: take a good inhalation, you've got to tell the whole audience,
Speaker 1: all right, everybody, exhale, blow it all out, blow it
Speaker 1: all out, blown out. Now you can inhale, and in
Speaker 1: that exhalation, you're basically exchanging the life force with the
Speaker 1: environment around you. When I exhale, I push out millions
Speaker 1: of different little tiny variants of my genetics through something
Speaker 1: called micro rna. It's basically my version of expressing a
Speaker 1: viral message to the world of here's who I am
Speaker 1: right now, here's what I'm expressing genetically, here's what's happening.
Speaker 1: So I have a genetic signal that I breathe out,
Speaker 1: and I have a new potential for life that I
Speaker 1: breathe out in the form of carbon dioxide that I
Speaker 1: just derived from all the glucose and fatty acids that
Speaker 1: I'm deriving all of that sunlight from. So I'm releasing
Speaker 1: sunlight and then I give back the CO two to
Speaker 1: the atmosphere so I can breathe it back in. And
Speaker 1: turns out I need CO two exchange. I need to
Speaker 1: breathe it as much as they need to exhale it,
Speaker 1: because it's really the pulse of life, and it's the
Speaker 1: way in which I use oxygen at the sider level.
Speaker 1: So I can't use oxygen unless I've got CO two.
Speaker 1: So I breathe out a big gift of CO two
Speaker 1: in the atmosphere gives me back CO two in a
Speaker 1: ratio that allows me to use aucygen more effectively. And
Speaker 1: so CO two is really the coursing bloodstream of life itself.
Speaker 1: It's the currency of life, and so that currency of
Speaker 1: energy is pulsing with every breath, and when I start
Speaker 1: to develop an addiction to breathing, I don't take that
Speaker 1: deep breath, and instead I have all these short little
Speaker 1: breasts that I take all the time because I'm in
Speaker 1: a fight or flight state, and I don't slow that
Speaker 1: respiration down. My neurology is reading all the time panic
Speaker 1: and so in the same way that we're addicted to
Speaker 1: water that can ever turn into a liquid crystal, and
Speaker 1: therefore we're always thirsty. In the same way, I always
Speaker 1: taking all sixteen to twenty breaths a minute because I'm
Speaker 1: afraid I'm going to run out of air because I
Speaker 1: haven't been taught to actually breathe, And so the planet
Speaker 1: is now doing this as well as humans. The planet
Speaker 1: can't take a deep breath right now because its lungs
Speaker 1: are the soil system. We've now killed ninety seven percent
Speaker 1: of the soil systems the planet. Ninety seven percent of
Speaker 1: arable soils on the planet are now depleted, are severely
Speaker 1: deproleted of their metabols and their ability to breathe. In
Speaker 1: an ideal state, this planet breathes in a deep breath
Speaker 1: at night and then exhales in the morning, and you
Speaker 1: can watch this happen, especially in humid areas. I live
Speaker 1: in Virginia and along the Blue Ridge Mountains at night,
Speaker 1: if you stand up high on the mountains, you get
Speaker 1: to see that the forests of Virginia breathe in and
Speaker 1: these it looks like banks of clouds, suddenly gets sucked
Speaker 1: down onto the surface of the trees, and then down
Speaker 1: into the canopy and down into the earth. And so
Speaker 1: the trees are returning the breath to the soil and
Speaker 1: with it all the water. In the morning it exhales,
Speaker 1: and all that water or appears on the surface as dew,
Speaker 1: on the grass and in the canopy and everywhere. Well,
Speaker 1: that de is now very cold because it was breathed
Speaker 1: out by a deep geothermal cooling thing that we call
Speaker 1: the planet. The warming of the planet is not being
Speaker 1: caused by CO two or greenhouse gases. We've been given
Speaker 1: a very half truth by our political systems that with
Speaker 1: Al Gore and the rest have said CO two is
Speaker 1: our crisis. We've now pledged forty trillion dollars by twenty
Speaker 1: fifty to suck CO two oul asim atmosphere and all
Speaker 1: that because we've been told it's the problem, but in fact,
Speaker 1: whether it's a dying patient of the bedside you can
Speaker 1: no longer breathe, or me addicted to my short breathing,
Speaker 1: or the planet that's lost its lungs. And now, as emphasema,
Speaker 1: CO two starts rising the atmosphere and the heat goes
Speaker 1: up because we're not bringing that into the earth and
Speaker 1: out of the earth, into the earth, out of the
Speaker 1: Earth on a daily basis to cool the planet. We
Speaker 1: lost the lungs. Therefore we've lost the exchange of life
Speaker 1: through CO two and we lost the geothermal cooling that
Speaker 1: comes with breath. And so the plant it has a fever,
Speaker 1: not for CO two, but for a lack of breath.
Speaker 1: And so this is the transit that we need to
Speaker 1: do as a planetary participant, is we need to be
Speaker 1: part of the solution. We need to allow the Earth
Speaker 1: to breathe again. I find it interesting that, you know,
Speaker 1: we always find the micro story in the macrocosm, and
Speaker 1: you find it fractally, which means at every single level
Speaker 1: of expression of nature you'll find the same truth. And
Speaker 1: here we were in the middle of the pandemic where
Speaker 1: people were going blue because the oxygen could not exchange
Speaker 1: from their blood cells into their cells, perhaps in part
Speaker 1: due to a virus, but deeper than that, we had
Speaker 1: covered our planet in the highest levels of carbon contamination
Speaker 1: in history because of the largest fires that had raged
Speaker 1: for the year and a half before the pandemic, and
Speaker 1: then all the way through the pandemic, we had the
Speaker 1: largest fires all over the world that had ever happened.
Speaker 1: So for all the poisoning in the atmosphere, we had
Speaker 1: cyanide in the air levels unprecedented. We were breathing in sinie,
Speaker 1: which causes this respiratory failure. We were ascribing it again
Speaker 1: just to the virus. I think it was a lot
Speaker 1: of different factors happening at that time. We were losing
Speaker 1: our ability to breathe. Meanwhile, the planet's warming up, warming up,
Speaker 1: warming up, and coot's going up in the atmosphere. We
Speaker 1: can't breathe, the planet can't breathe, We couldn't breathe a species.
Speaker 1: And then we get this extraordinarily tragic moment where we
Speaker 1: watch a police officer with his knee on the neck
Speaker 1: of an African American man and who dies in the
Speaker 1: streets screaming, I cannot breathe. At every one of those
Speaker 1: fractal levels, we got to witness the suffocation of life,
Speaker 1: and it was suffocating in that moment with a police
Speaker 1: officers too afraid to move, and maybe angry, maybe lots
Speaker 1: of other negative emotions in there, but ultimately it's fear
Speaker 1: of death, fear of different, being different, fear of everything
Speaker 1: other than self. So that knee stays on. And right
Speaker 1: now we have our proverbial knee on the neck of
Speaker 1: this planet. We are not letting this planet breathe because
Speaker 1: we're afraid we might go hungry. So we're waiting for
Speaker 1: technology to save us. So we have more and more
Speaker 1: genetic technologies. We have robots trying to mind food out
Speaker 1: of the earth. We're waiting for more and more technology,
Speaker 1: and we just will not let the knee off the
Speaker 1: neck of the planet because we're afraid she won't provide
Speaker 1: for us. We need to let the knee up. We
Speaker 1: need to be confident that we are one species, that
Speaker 1: is the compilation of hundreds of thousands of species that
Speaker 1: has made life possible. We need to start to breathe together.
Speaker 1: We need to move to a point where there is
Speaker 1: grace rather than fear, where there is joy rather than guilt,
Speaker 1: there is love rather than shame. And to get there,
Speaker 1: we're going to have to trust that we are supposed
Speaker 1: to be here. We are not the cancer of the planet.
Speaker 1: We are the potential energy of the planet. We are
Speaker 1: the highest expression that the planet has made so far,
Speaker 1: and we can stay to play if we choose. And
Speaker 1: so we need to take the neck off the planet.
Speaker 1: We need to take the knee off the neck of
Speaker 1: the planet, take the knee off the neck of one another,
Speaker 1: and start to move in a state of abundance. And
Speaker 1: we will do this as we find those quiet spies
Speaker 1: around the flame, breathe slower, breathe deeper, as individuals, as
Speaker 1: a planet, and in so doing start to feel the future.
Speaker 1: And this is the mystery that we see baking all
Speaker 1: over the world. I'm very gifted in my career right
Speaker 1: now that i get to travel all over the place
Speaker 1: all the time. And so in the more than one
Speaker 1: and a half million miles I've flown over the last
Speaker 1: ten years, I've gotten to meet nearly every people group
Speaker 1: on the planet. And I've spent time in so many
Speaker 1: continents over the last couple of years, and for all
Speaker 1: of the fear and guilt and shame that we just
Speaker 1: exercise as a plan that I have never seen more optimism,
Speaker 1: more excitement, more of that bubbling energy of oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: it's about to arrive. We are about to arrive. Something
Speaker 1: is about to happen. This is so exciting to be
Speaker 1: alive right now. I hear that all the time. It's
Speaker 1: so exciting to be alive right now. So what is
Speaker 1: the light that's shining so bright in humanity as our
Speaker 1: biologic light dims. I think it's the original math. I
Speaker 1: think it's the soul. The energy that animates life is
Speaker 1: burning bright right now because it is not diminished by
Speaker 1: the energies that it was putting into the biologic expression
Speaker 1: of humanity. It is burning brighter because it says, look
Speaker 1: beyond the flesh to find the truth, and in that
Speaker 1: energy field you will find the new life that will
Speaker 1: code for your new future. And so we have to
Speaker 1: get to that hospice moment. We have to let the
Speaker 1: lights almost die out so we can cross the veil
Speaker 1: and see the truth and then come back and change everything.
Speaker 2: Incredible, Doctor Zach Bush. If anyone's listening right now and
Speaker 2: they want to find that optimism. Maybe join your eight
Speaker 2: day program to learn more about the solution aspect of
Speaker 2: everything you've been sharing today. Where should they go? How
Speaker 2: can they connect with you and connect with your work?
Speaker 1: The easiest place for all the work is Zachbush MD
Speaker 1: dot com. The Journey of Intrinsichealth dot com is the
Speaker 1: eight week program. The Intelligence of Nature dot com is
Speaker 1: all of the deep soil science and the supplements and
Speaker 1: everything else that have come out of that soil science
Speaker 1: and the study of life state and the solutions to it.
Speaker 1: There's an opportunity for you guys to engage also just
Speaker 1: in community with us, because it's one thing to take
Speaker 1: a supplement or take a class, but ultimately, if we
Speaker 1: don't come into connected community, we're not going to create
Speaker 1: that future that we have. And so there's an opportunity
Speaker 1: for you to engage in the community platforms that we've
Speaker 1: been creating across many of these products, going deeper than
Speaker 1: the product to really start to create the solutions for
Speaker 1: the future that we can all feel is already here.
Speaker 1: And that's my greatest excitement is watching people come together.
Speaker 1: There's something called quorum sensing that I find really beautiful.
Speaker 1: When you get enough biodiversity into a living environment. Suddenly
Speaker 1: the whole thing does something more intelligent than any constituent
Speaker 1: can do. And so we need to do a quorum
Speaker 1: sensing moment as not just humanity, but as a planet.
Speaker 1: And so we need to connect to our ecosystems and
Speaker 1: diversity and cultures and for their diversity, the arts and
Speaker 1: their diversity, the dance and the storytelling and the flames
Speaker 1: and a million different iterations. Then we need to bring
Speaker 1: that in together for a very bright flame to burn
Speaker 1: and for us to connect to that quorum sensing moment
Speaker 1: where we do quantum intelligence not from the mind, but
Speaker 1: from that knowingness within you community connect that we've we
Speaker 1: hope to meet you.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. Thank you so much. I hope that everyone
Speaker 2: has been listening and watching. I hope you go and
Speaker 2: check it out. And Zach, we end every episode of
Speaker 2: On Purpose with a final five or a fast five,
Speaker 2: and these questions have to be answered in one word
Speaker 2: to one sentence maximum, And Zach Bush, these are your
Speaker 2: final fives. So the first is, what is the best
Speaker 2: advice you've ever heard, given or received?
Speaker 1: Slow down?
Speaker 2: What is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?
Speaker 1: Stop?
Speaker 2: Moving, Stop moving? Question number three, what's something that you
Speaker 2: used to value that you no longer value anymore?
Speaker 1: Marriage?
Speaker 2: Interesting? In what sense?
Speaker 1: You said? One word?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now I'm digressing.
Speaker 1: It was my most important value system through most of
Speaker 1: my life. And it's not to say that marriage is
Speaker 1: not important on our human journey, but it was the
Speaker 1: course of miracles that really unveiled what was happening in
Speaker 1: my effort towards marriage. And I enjoyed my marriage at
Speaker 1: twenty year marriage with my wife and two amazing kids.
Speaker 1: And then she found a new path, and there was
Speaker 1: a decision whether to see that as a failure or
Speaker 1: to actually, for the first time in our twenty years together,
Speaker 1: practiced the unpart of unconditional love. And I realized during
Speaker 1: our journey towards divorce, when I realized that she was
Speaker 1: definitely going to take this other pass, it was a
Speaker 1: realization of I really do love this person, and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here telling her how much I love her, and
Speaker 1: therefore she shouldn't leave me. Oh my gosh, what is that?
Speaker 1: That is the deepest condition I could possibly I love you,
Speaker 1: but only if you stay right next to me, and
Speaker 1: I own this thing, and so that was my journey
Speaker 1: personally and to deep heartbreak that led to the deepest
Speaker 1: joy that a person cann't have. Is the exercise of
Speaker 1: unconditional love. And I certainly I didn't do it perfectly.
Speaker 1: I didn't do it well, But my gosh, did I
Speaker 1: live differently after that moment where I realized I can
Speaker 1: love her on this path that she knows she's chosen.
Speaker 1: And we've gotten to watch both of us bloom into
Speaker 1: people we could have never become in that marriage because
Speaker 1: it was a box that was an agreement of no change.
Speaker 1: And as we back up, I think we're going to
Speaker 1: realize that we put love and relationship into a box
Speaker 1: of ownership just in the last couple hundred years. It
Speaker 1: never existed before. We developed this ownership model so we
Speaker 1: could pass wealth from generation to generation, not realizing when
Speaker 1: we built the box, we would crush love, which is
Speaker 1: ultimately the capacity to see beauty in another. And if
Speaker 1: for a moment you think you can own another's beauty,
Speaker 1: you have stolen it from them ultimately, and they will
Speaker 1: become miserable and you will forget why you fell in
Speaker 1: love with them because you can't see their beauty anymore.
Speaker 1: And so in a radical way. We're going to have
Speaker 1: to release each other from the boxes we put each
Speaker 1: other in. It doesn't mean the end of relationship is
Speaker 1: probably the birth of human relationship. Maybe for the time,
Speaker 1: but certainly in recent modern times. We're going to have
Speaker 1: to release ourselves from the box and we have to
Speaker 1: do partnership relationships in much, much radically different ways. And
Speaker 1: they're going to have to come out of the fear
Speaker 1: of not having enough love and start to come from
Speaker 1: an abundance model where everything.
Speaker 2: Is love, beautiful. Thank you for sharing that, thank you
Speaker 2: for opening up, and that's really really beautiful to hear.
Speaker 2: I'm glad. I asked us to go off piece to
Speaker 2: orr a question of before, what's something you're trying to
Speaker 2: learn right now? Are skilled?
Speaker 1: You're trying to learn beauty the witness of beauty.
Speaker 2: And the fifth and final question is if you could
Speaker 2: create one law that everyone in the world had to follow,
Speaker 2: what would it be?
Speaker 1: Biodiversity?
Speaker 2: Could you expand so that we can contextualize it.
Speaker 1: There's a known phenomenon of blue zones around the planet
Speaker 1: where people tend to live a past one hundred years,
Speaker 1: and so here we are on the Number one Health podcast,
Speaker 1: in the world what makes people live longer than one
Speaker 1: hundred years? And we've tried to boil it down to nutrition,
Speaker 1: and we found that almost everyone to make completely differently,
Speaker 1: and some of them made only cooked food, only meat,
Speaker 1: only veggies, the whole thing only raw. We saw it all.
Speaker 1: In the end, what we have found is that those
Speaker 1: that will live on our years live in a culture
Speaker 1: and communities that hold at their highest value the opportunity
Speaker 1: for new connection to buy a diverse ideas and peoples.
Speaker 1: And this was taught to me by a couple out
Speaker 1: of Ikorea, Greece, a Grecian island that is an incredible
Speaker 1: blue zone there, and they came and prepared a traditional
Speaker 1: five course Greek meal for a group of us, and
Speaker 1: I gave this toast at the end that said, you know,
Speaker 1: this is the micro biome being nourished, and we'll live forever.
Speaker 1: We'll be like a blue zone because the nourishment is
Speaker 1: so to eat, the nutrients were so rich, it was
Speaker 1: all from so this beautiful thing. I was crying. Everybody's crying.
Speaker 1: Is a beautiful toast. And then guy from Akorea stands
Speaker 1: up and says, doctor, that was very interesting, but you're
Speaker 1: completely wrong, and he said that the only reason we
Speaker 1: live past one hundred years is not for what we eat,
Speaker 1: but is because every night there's a chair set at
Speaker 1: our table, hoping that somebody we don't know shows up
Speaker 1: and shares that meal with us. In Korea, we never
Speaker 1: ask each other what did you eat last night? We
Speaker 1: always ask who did you eat with last night? And
Speaker 1: that's what we're missing from society today. And so when
Speaker 1: we talk about biodiversity, it's certainly true at the soil level.
Speaker 1: If we don't start living for the soil beneath our
Speaker 1: feet and enriching that with every action we take, whether
Speaker 1: it be a political move, a social move, and industrial move,
Speaker 1: economic move, if it's not supporting the soil, we would
Speaker 1: destroy ourselves in the same way. If we continue to
Speaker 1: listen in the echo chamber of our minds and those
Speaker 1: people we are married to, and we create these nuclear families,
Speaker 1: and we listen to the same box every day, whether
Speaker 1: it be a TV or our own brain, we will
Speaker 1: diminish our biodiverse ideas and our biodiverse capacity for creativity,
Speaker 1: and therefore we will lose the opportunity to stay in play.
Speaker 2: Doctor Zach Bush, thank you for such a fascinating and
Speaker 2: unique conversation, one that was full of refreshing insights and ideas.
Speaker 2: And I'm hoping to everyone who's listening and watching, wherever
Speaker 2: you are in the world, I hope that you will
Speaker 2: go and follow doctor Zach Bush learn more about his
Speaker 2: incredible work, to tag us both and share your insights,
Speaker 2: your takeaways, the nuggets that stood out to you. Maybe
Speaker 2: there were messages or words that are ones that you're
Speaker 2: going to hold on to and it's going to shift
Speaker 2: the way that you practice your health and wellness routines
Speaker 2: and regimes. And so if you've been listening on watching,
Speaker 2: make sure you tag us and share what you learned
Speaker 2: and what you gained from this episode. And doctor Zach Burst,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time, your energy, your
Speaker 2: presence and everything that you've shared with us today. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much.
Speaker 1: Honored be heard and seen by you.
Speaker 2: Very grateful. Thank you. If you love this episode, you'll
Speaker 2: enjoy my interview with doctor Daniel Ahman on how to
Speaker 2: change your life by changing your brain. If we want
Speaker 2: a healthy mind, it actually starts with a healthy brain.
Speaker 2: You know, I've had the blessing or the curse to
Speaker 2: scam
Speaker 1: Over a thousand convicted felons and over one hundred murderers,
Speaker 1: and their brains are very damaged.