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Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented by

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Speaker 1: Zaxby's DJ. Bucky Back with you, Buck. How you doing man, Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm good. Exciting football weekend, and it's it's always good

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Speaker 1: now that we're kind of in the thick of everything football,

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Speaker 1: meaning college football is going in the middle of the hunt.

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Speaker 1: We begin to see all the teams play, all the

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Speaker 1: top prospects that are electing to play. We're beginning to

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Speaker 1: kind of be able to put a book on those guys.

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Speaker 1: The pro games on Sundays are outstanding. We're seeing the

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Speaker 1: young guys play, and so we're have an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: confirm and validate some of the opinions that we may

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Speaker 1: have had about guys in the draft. And then just

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Speaker 1: looking forward, looking forward to what could be in this

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Speaker 1: next class and how teams are continue to build. I

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Speaker 1: think it's a really really exciting time watching ball. Now today,

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Speaker 1: I want to get to a fun conversation here in

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Speaker 1: a minute about the quarterback position. What we've seen from

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Speaker 1: up that that could be a really interesting classic. I

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Speaker 1: want to have a conversation about um athleticism and where

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Speaker 1: it's not a luxury. It's actually a requirement to have

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Speaker 1: let's start off with the game we saw last night

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Speaker 1: Pats Jets. I'll be honest, I did not I did

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Speaker 1: and then I like sucked me in. Sometimes when you

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Speaker 1: it was interesting DJ to watch the game, right, So

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Speaker 1: the natural I think thought going into the game, A,

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Speaker 1: We saw the can City the Chiefs have their way

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Speaker 1: And I'm looking at the Patriots and I'm watching them

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Speaker 1: here to knocked out Cam Newton. Look, I'm surprised that

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Speaker 1: you don't have the ability to move around, to get

430
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,760
Speaker 1: on the perimeter, to do some things with the legs,

431
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 1: it just makes it very very difficult for the team

432
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,199
Speaker 1: to protect you with an offensive line and for the

433
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,960
Speaker 1: play caller to protect you by being able to vary

434
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,439
Speaker 1: the launch points in the pocket to help you. All Right,

435
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 1: I've got a very arbitrary uh list here because I

436
00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:01,600
Speaker 1: was thinking of what what does this look like? Try

437
00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,159
Speaker 1: and put a visual on what we're talking about. Being

438
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 1: able to elude the rush or just be able just

439
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 1: that threshold of athleticism. So to me, I don't want

440
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 1: a quarterback that I can't and going forward, I don't

441
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 1: not want to draft a quarterback that I can't incorporate

442
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 1: in the zone read game. And I don't know. I'm

443
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,159
Speaker 1: not saying he's gonna go fifty, but I'm saying you

444
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 1: have to account for him. He might go seven or eight,

445
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,119
Speaker 1: but he's gonna give me seven eight yards, get down,

446
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 1: protect himself. But I mean, you gotta be able to

447
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 1: at least be a viable option on his own. Read

448
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 1: to me like, it doesn't have to be, you know,

449
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 1: fifty yards, but if you can pull it and get

450
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 1: me six seven yards and get down, that's fine. And

451
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,199
Speaker 1: I think if guys and we can go through him.

452
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: You know, Kirk Cousins can do that, Matthew Stafford can

453
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,400
Speaker 1: do that. Um, you know, you go on, Baker Mayfield

454
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,680
Speaker 1: can do that. So let's go. I want to Rogers

455
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 1: about those guys like the absolutely. So this is what

456
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 1: I want to do. I'm gonna go through the team.

457
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give you the quarterback and then I'm

458
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 1: gonna challenge you to give me the A through f

459
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 1: We're just doing athleticism. We're not talking about how good

460
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: a quarterback. There just athleticism A through F and I

461
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 1: want to see how many season below we get. Okay,

462
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 1: you're ready, let's start. Let's start in the A F

463
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: C East Josh Allen, Oh, we gotta get me. Yeah,

464
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: he's an A. We go to TOA. I think two

465
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 1: is a B B plus yep. Uh. Then we go

466
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 1: to CAM. I mean cam is it is a mine

467
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: is B plus at this point. But he's an athletic enough. Yeah.

468
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 1: The Jetson will say Donald is the I think I

469
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 1: think Donald Liza by yep. So that division, there's no

470
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,199
Speaker 1: seas in that division. All right. Now we get to

471
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: the north Ben Roethlisberger, current Ben Roethlisberger. Ben Roethlisberger is

472
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: the C because he doesn't move around as well as

473
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 1: he used to. I agree with you, Uh Lamar A

474
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 1: plus yeah, uh Baker, And I think Baker's the C.

475
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a great athlete. I think he

476
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: is at the line. When we talk about the athleticism,

477
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, but these are c's not dez fs.

478
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: You're just going to um Burrow. I think Burrows a

479
00:21:53,960 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: B yep. Um tannehill Man, he's a BA B plus

480
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: he might he can run, he can move the rivers. Man,

481
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 1: he's d F. He's I think you have to go

482
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: f athlete on that one. Uh Deshan DeSean is a

483
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 1: modest Yeah. Uh Jacksonville, I guess we go menshew even

484
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: damn man, it's but he's like A. I mean, yeah,

485
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: he's fine. Season C range Okay, I I trust your grade. Seriously,

486
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: you canna see range? Uh my homes. Oh he's A.

487
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: He's in an A range somewhere there. Car interesting. I

488
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 1: think I think I think he's a B. He doesn't

489
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 1: use it enough. I think he's a B. I would

490
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: like to see him use his athleticism more. But yeah,

491
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: he's a B lock he has athletics. M us to

492
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: be yep, Herbert, I think he's a high high B plus.

493
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: He's a bus go to the NFC Wentz. I mean

494
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: even though he's beating up, he's still a B. Yeah.

495
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 1: Uh so Washington, those guys are those guys are collection

496
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: of guys. But that's a collection guys. But though it

497
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: look two of those guys would be d s. I

498
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: think Dwayne asking is with fall below the line. I

499
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: think I don't think Allen is a great athlete. I

500
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: would put him as a as a C minus d.

501
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: Alex Smith at this stage older is C minus D

502
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: like they don't have athleticism now, they don't have the

503
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: athleticism to do this up. Okay, all right, so that

504
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: gets that gets us through uh their Uh we'll say

505
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 1: Doc is a regular starter. I mean Stack is a

506
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: B B athlete. Uh. Danny Jones is a B plus athlete. Ye,

507
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 1: And then we go to the Packers. He's still a

508
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: B plus at B B plus athlete ye falls mhm

509
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: m We're yeah, we're we're C D range. You know,

510
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't move, he doesn't offer anything. He's probably below

511
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: the sea, yeah, d on that one. Um, all right,

512
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: then we go to Cousins. Cousins is a CEA, but

513
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: I would get maybe a high see C plus because

514
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: he will move him, he can do all the bootlegs.

515
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 1: I think I would give him like a B minus.

516
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: I think I would because I would pull him out

517
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: of the range of these seas. Me. He's a better

518
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: athlete right now than Ben Baker mention. Yeah he is, guys,

519
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: Let's go B minus on that one. Uh. Stafford, Stafford

520
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: is a good athlete. He's a b athlete. Okay, Um

521
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: breeze man. The older breeze is hard because he has

522
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: to fall into that C clump. You know. The younger

523
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: breeze would be above the line. But he's in that

524
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: clump right now. Uh Brady DF Yeah category. He doesn't

525
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: give you anything, nothing extra. We'll go on that one. Okay.

526
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Speaker 1: Uh Matt Ryan, m M d Range. What are you saying?

527
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: I was? I think he was a better younger. He's

528
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: not a terrible I might go SE minus and just

529
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: pull him out. Okay, we get him a sea motus Uh,

530
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: Carolina Teddy, he's in a seams. He's not He's not

531
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: a high end athlete. He's athletic enough. He's shown more

532
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: mobile than I ever anticipated this year. I will still

533
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: say he's a high sea like a C plus, Okay, Russ.

534
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: Russ is an a athlete, yep, Kyler A plus athlete.

535
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: Golf c athlete not and that I'm saying he's not

536
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: a horrible athlete, but I think he's I'd give him

537
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: like to me, I put him in. If Teddy Bridgewater

538
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: is a C plus, I think I would give golf

539
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: a C plus. Okay, I think they're the same in

540
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: terms of how they go. Yeah, that makes sense. And

541
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: then uh, if we say Garoppolo, it's in San France.

542
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: I think Look, I think Jimmy's a notch above Jerry

543
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: goffin those guys. I think he has more athleticism than

544
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: he displayed. Um going back to Eastern Illinois used to

545
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: pull it on his zone read and do some of

546
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: that stuff. So here's the guys. So that's the league.

547
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: So here's who we have below the levels. See, okay,

548
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: we've got, uh the Washington conglomerate of Washington quarterbacks Folds,

549
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: We've got Brady, We've got Rivers, and we've Matt Ryan.

550
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: We elevated to a C minus. So so those are

551
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: the guys. So if we're saying at least a C

552
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: level athlete, the guys who fall below the line are Rivers,

553
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: the Washington quarterbacks, Folds, Brady, that's who we have. Oh yeah,

554
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it. I'm not missing anybody. That's it.

555
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: So that's one, two, three. We only have four guys

556
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: who we say are not at that. And again to

557
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: give you an image of what the So if we're

558
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: gonna say the level the line, if we're gonna go

559
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: the line. The line would be the you know, Matt

560
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: Ryan's a C minus, Um Breezes a CE men's shoes

561
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: to see Baker ben Um, Teddy's a C plus golfs

562
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: the C plus. So that's the clump of guys that

563
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: are kind of in the strategy. You want, you want,

564
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: you like, you want, you want more? And what it

565
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: what it shows you is the limitation because all those

566
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: guys in the C category DJ we always talk about

567
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: the inconsistencies in terms of like what they have to

568
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: have around them, you know, like they they're more dependent

569
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: upon the stuff around them, either scheme or supporting casts.

570
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: They need more around them to be able to be successful.

571
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: I think that's the common denominated with this C group

572
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: because they can't add the dimensions they needed dimensions added

573
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: with the players that you surround them with. It's a

574
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: good point and I actually, uh, I'm going through now

575
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of these guys. Let's just take the C

576
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: group here, Okay, So let's see if we can create

577
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: some separation within this C group, because I want to

578
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: do that that theory we call a zone replay. Can

579
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: they get me? Can they get you? Seven yards? Okay?

580
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: So this is gonna just the seas so yes or no? Okaya? Roethlisberger, No,

581
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: he can't get us. No, he can't get us. No, no,

582
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna circle him. Baker. I think Baker can

583
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: get you seven. Don't you think he pulls? He did

584
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: it in Oklahoma. He did. He did a little bit

585
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: like as a surprise. He can get you. He can

586
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: get you seven. Menshew. I mean he runs around and

587
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: makes plays. He's just like, look, whenever I get Baker,

588
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: I have to give going to mention because I think

589
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: they're one of the same. Okay, Okay, there you go.

590
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: Um all right, so then breeze not anymore, No, not anymore.

591
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Um Matt Ryan, No, we can't do

592
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: it now for Teddy seven yards, Buck, I'm just asking

593
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: for seven yards. I mean, he's done it on occasion

594
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: this year. I don't love it, but he can do it.

595
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: He can't do it, okay, golf mm hmm. That's why

596
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: these guys are all on the on the line. That's

597
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: why it's not an easy decision. And then I did

598
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: a dog points because he doesn't how to spike the ball.

599
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: He's one of my favorites. I'm gonna say no, I

600
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: don't think he can get us. I don't think he

601
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: can get a seven on his own read okay, okay,

602
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: So that means kind of the upper end of the athlete. Like,

603
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: That's why I would say the line for me is

604
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: those guys that can get you to seven yards, that

605
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: means the acceptable athletic threshold is Baker, Mayfield, Gardner, Menshew,

606
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater. So if you put the image of those

607
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: three guys in your hands, if you're not more athletic

608
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: than the if you're if you're less athletic, then those

609
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: three players our our move the sticks recommendation would be

610
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: to avoid or to pass. And it's hard because the

611
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: three guys that you you listed right, like Menshew and

612
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: Baker and Teddy. I think Teddy's played better this year

613
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: than those other guys, like and watching Menshew play like

614
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: each week DJ like because he's Here's the other thing too.

615
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: So if you're if you go be not athletic, you

616
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: better have special arms, talent man, you better have some

617
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: special qualities in other areas, right, So you need to

618
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: have like if you're a C C plus athlete, then

619
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: you must have a A plus arm to own. When

620
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: I look at Baker and Minshew, they don't have those

621
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: they don't have those qualities to make up for that.

622
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: And let's also throwing the fact that you're shorter. I mean,

623
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: it just makes it harder. So if you're not going

624
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: to be a great athlete, you have to be exceptional

625
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: in several other areas to to make up for your

626
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: deficiencies as an athlete. Yep. And I think when you

627
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: look at the guys that we had below the line,

628
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: so the guys we had below the sea level, um

629
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: Rivers is thirty eight years old or whatever, right, so

630
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: you've got knowledge and experience. Um Folds have been around

631
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: for a long time. Super Bowl m VP, even though

632
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I still view him more as

633
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: a kind of a backup than a pure starter. But

634
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: that's how he's survived because of that. Brady obviously forty

635
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: three years old, with his experience and knowledge base. To

636
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: be a young quarterback and not have mobility, it's a

637
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to say it's a suicide mission,

638
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: but it's good luck and it's not easy, and it's

639
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: not it's it's look, it's it's a hard deal. It's

640
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: a hard deal. It's a hard deal on everybody. And

641
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think it is a tough I it's

642
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: a tough job. Like if you don't have the ability

643
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: to create an extent plays and allow us to go

644
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: to the back page of the playbook, you can't do it.

645
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: And because there's so many yards that you can steal

646
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: with the zone read stuff that you talk about in

647
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: the R P O game, I think you have to

648
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: have it. Yeah. And the other thing I would I

649
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: would add in here, Um, if you look at the

650
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: recent failures and if we're gonna count, I mean Haskins

651
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: is the third string quarterback in Washington right now, I'm out.

652
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't saying he's a bust, but I'm saying it's

653
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: been a failure thus far. So can't can't move. You know,

654
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: limited athlete Josh Rosen, you know multiple teams didn't work

655
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 1: out and not a great athlete. So if we were

656
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: putting those guys on this scale, I don't think I mean,

657
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: I think those guys would check in. It's you know,

658
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: below the sea level, you know, no pun intended like

659
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: that's they would be dese or C minus athlete when

660
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: you compare them with this group of guys. I mean,

661
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: if we gave Folds a D, then then Dwayne Haskins

662
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: and Josh Rosen are d's and and look, and I think,

663
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: I think it changes everything. And DJ, I think it's

664
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: gonna change stuff. I'm I'm curious when I get back

665
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: and have the opportunity look to be around some of

666
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: the high school is the elite eleven crew. I'm curious

667
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: to see what's in the pipeline. And I'm curious to

668
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: see UM. For years, DJ, we always celebrated the pocket passer.

669
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: It was all about like the guy that could spend

670
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: it from the pocket, the guy who had all the Yeah.

671
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: But now when we look at the guys that are

672
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: playing UM, it's different. I'm looking at Kyler Murray and

673
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people are really paying attention

674
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: to what Kyler Murray is doing this year. Sixteen rushing

675
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: touchdowns sixteen d J, I think he has like pash

676
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: yards and five hundred rush yards is something something ridiculous.

677
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: It's for almost eleven hundred rush yards and sixteen rushing touchdowns,

678
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: not pace for thirty two passing touchdowns and over four

679
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: thousand passing yards. And and he's doing It's it's like

680
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: he's the road runner. It's be he doesn't take a shot,

681
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: he scoots into the end zone and I'm just like, man,

682
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: and I'm kicking myself because I'm like, man, why did

683
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: not put a bigger grade on him? Like like all

684
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: the things, but dj right before our eyes. In the

685
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: last three years, the evaluation of the quarterback position has

686
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: completely changed. Um what we look at and what we

687
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: look for and what is not only acceptable, what is coveted.

688
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: Because I'm looking at Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson then

689
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: the two best quarterbacks in the class, and we struggled

690
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: with the evaluation of both of those guys, struggle the

691
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: entire to a higher standard in terms of the accuracy,

692
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: and we didn't give him enough credit for the athleticism.

693
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: But because that's the way we've been trained, We've been

694
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 1: trained it forever. Okay, you have if you look at

695
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: all the factors and you had accuracy and athleticism, I mean,

696
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: accuracy level of importance was up here and athleticism was

697
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: somewhere down on the bottom. And now it's like nope,

698
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: and no, especially you can show a little bit of

699
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: improvement in that area. But man, when you can when

700
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: you can extend plays, you don't have to fit balls

701
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: in the mailbox. Man, it's amazing. You say, he just

702
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: got some some uh some guys pretty much free and clear. Yeah,

703
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: when you can buy six seconds of time, guys tend

704
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: to uncover. No. And I think that Josh Allen thing

705
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: will go down as one of the biggest Josh Allen

706
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: and Lamar jin I'll put him in the same category.

707
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 1: I think they go down is one of the best

708
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: lessons that scouts will learn over the next decade or two, because, man,

709
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: we picked up both of those guys separate reasons in

710
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: terms of their lack of accuracy, the way they performed

711
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: in certain games or whatever. And then these guys, like

712
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: the fact that Josh Allen has two four hundred yard

713
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: games in the National Football League to this year, maybe

714
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: four three hundred yard games. That is remarkable. It is remarkable.

715
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: To look at that guy, the guy that we looked at.

716
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: It wooming to see him carve up defenses and put

717
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: though that number of passing yards up on the board

718
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. And then to look at Lamar Jackson. Lamar

719
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: Jackson is in an m v P and even though

720
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: his struggles we can talk about throwing outside the numbers

721
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff or whatever. He has been

722
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: an m v P that recognized you as the best

723
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: player in the game at some point. I mean it

724
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: just changes like like like now it's not only about

725
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: like the player. It is almost as if like we've

726
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: done this on paths to the draft. Sometimes okay, it

727
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: is not only about the prospect, but the instructions that

728
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: come with it is a here's your Christmas gift. Here,

729
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: here's here the instructions that come out the box, and

730
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: this is how we utilize him to make sure that

731
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: we maximize it. I think that conversation has to be

732
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: have now when we're doing the quarterback thing, because before

733
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: it was like, hey, this is number one to three,

734
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: four and five, and it's not as much that is

735
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: how can we see this guy having success? Which teams

736
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: have the stuff in place as a play calling the

737
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: team to enable him to have success going forward? All right,

738
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: So I want to just take the Josh Allen thing

739
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: because I want to compare it for a second here

740
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: to trade lance, because what we're saying, the lesson that

741
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: we learned, what we've learned is um Sometimes the whole

742
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: picture is never gonna be colored in in an evaluation.

743
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: So if you get you can get a good idea

744
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: of what it looks like when let's go Josh Allen

745
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: and Trey Lance and just I'm gonna go down this

746
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: checklist book and you tell me where they where they ranked,

747
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: because we know Josh Allen well, we got to know

748
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: him through the process and we've seen him now and

749
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: we've got to speak with Trey Lanson got to know

750
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: him well as well. All Right, so big, you just

751
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: tell me check. You just give me a check. Yes, big,

752
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: athletic check, tough, tough, yep check, competitive check, work ethic,

753
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: great check, intelligence check. So at some point in time,

754
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I don't know, in his one game

755
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: this year, he wasn't quite as accurated. He missed a

756
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: throw and and I don't know, is at North Dakota

757
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: State and they don't play that, And I'm like, just

758
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: go through the checklist, man, Go and not only that,

759
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: go look at the young players who are having success

760
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: and ray off their characteristics and then you can put

761
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: them right up there. Like I don't think we need

762
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: to over overcook the grits when it comes to these

763
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: evaluations with the quarterback. Let's look at who's playing, Let's

764
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: look at who's playing well as a younger player. Let's

765
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: see the common denominators, and let's see how many of

766
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: those factors you have. If you have a significant amount

767
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: of those factors, more times than not, that I suggest

768
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: that you're going to have success in the league if

769
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: you're paired with the right play caller. I mean, that's

770
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: what it is. And so that's why when we talk

771
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: about this race in one with the quarterbacks, I mean,

772
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: all those guys that we're talking about at the top,

773
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: they all are big, athletic. All three of those guys

774
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: are smart. They do they have the work ethic and

775
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: those things. Now it's just a matter of going to

776
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: basket robins and determining what flavor do I want as

777
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: my starting quarterback? What what do I like? What other

778
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: little stuff do I want? But the necessary traits are there,

779
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: so now it's just determining, Okay, who was the best

780
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: fit for what we want to do going for it

781
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: and the imagination that we have for our offense. Yep.

782
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: And I almost think in some ways, with like the veterans,

783
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: you have to play you play the position defensively, right

784
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: if you're the quarterback, and so it's here's where they're

785
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: coming from. Here's how I'm gonna try and react to it.

786
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: Right when you have when you have an athletic young quarterback,

787
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: you dictate, you say no, no no, no, we we go

788
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: at them. You're gonna have to deal with us with

789
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: how we're going to use this. It's just a total

790
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: different It's a flip on how on how you play

791
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: the we we we dictate the terms. We dictate the terms.

792
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: You know, now you have an athletical right, you're going

793
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: to have to defend us differently. All that stuff that

794
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: you put on film against others, that's great, but they're

795
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: not us. So so so now, how are you going

796
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: to defend the zone read? How are you going to

797
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: defend the r P O game that we have? How

798
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: are you going to defend the movement based passing game,

799
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: the sprintouts, the bootlegs, that stuff, and if he is

800
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: a efficient passer from the pocket, Now dj your game

801
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: plan from a defensive standpoint, you have to have so

802
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: much stuff that you can't you can't possibly prepare to

803
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: the fend the quarterback that has so many tools in

804
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: the tool belt. That's a fun conversation. Man, I really

805
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: think it's interesting. It has changed though. I mean, and

806
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: that's that's the challenge that we have and and for

807
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: fortunately we're not with the teams that we're gonna get,

808
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, held accountable if we if we make a

809
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: boo boo on one of these things, because it is

810
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: evolving and changing. And if you if you put your

811
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: two thousand ten scouting hat on and go out and

812
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: try and build a team right now, it ain't gonna work.

813
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's just not gonna work. It's totally different. No,

814
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: And I think everybody who is really like in this business,

815
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: I think they not only have to keep a foot

816
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: in the pro game, I think they have to keep

817
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: a foot in the college high school game in terms

818
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: of just knowing what's coming in, how these guys are

819
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: being asked to play. Um, I saw a breakdown on

820
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: some of the quarterbacks, and I do wanted this, right.

821
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we have to steer clear because like

822
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: were about to hit the nitpicking season, right. So the

823
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: nitpicking season is when we have the quarterbacks that we've

824
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: um suggested that they're at the top, and what we do,

825
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: almost unfairly, we pull out a player too, where they

826
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: may not have been perfect. Oh he didn't see this

827
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: read he has to get off his first thing or whatever.

828
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: And I think we just have to be careful not

829
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: to downgrade guys for these isolated plays and to really

830
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: try and keep perspective like, hey, let's take it all in.

831
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: Let's just take it, let's take it all in. Let's

832
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: just look at how it plays over time. How did

833
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: he play game the game, the game, the game, and

834
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: look at it that way, because that's a better indicative, like, uh,

835
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, because we've seen guys in the league. Because

836
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: remember DJ, we say quarterbacks don't improve in the league,

837
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: they don't improve that, they don't become more accurate in

838
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: the league because the winners are tightermore. It's not true.

839
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: And so it just makes it hard. It also makes

840
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: it hard for us to have these declarative statements where

841
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: we say they're no way, Josh, we'll make it. There's

842
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: no way. I don't think we can't stand. We can't

843
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: stand in front of the camera and the mic and

844
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: say that anymore, like there's a path for everybody to

845
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: have success. I think our job now is to show

846
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: the path how guys can have success. That's the point.

847
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: I mean to me, that's like the point of the report.

848
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: I mean, because you can put the grade on the guy,

849
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: you can rank players and say here's my list. But

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Speaker 1: if you don't have any descriptive words to say, here's

851
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Speaker 1: how to use him, Here's what he can be, here's

852
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Speaker 1: what I see, here's what I like, Here's what worries me.

853
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Speaker 1: Like that to me is that's the menu. We're just

854
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Speaker 1: kind of drawing up the menu. Now if you if

855
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Speaker 1: you buy the buy it and don't, you know, go

856
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Speaker 1: off you, then that's your fault. I mean, I can't

857
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: help you. You know. It's kind of like Sam right

858
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: if you took Sam Donald and dropped Sam Donald with

859
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Speaker 1: Brian day ball in Buffalo and with the way they

860
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Speaker 1: have that, how how be successful? How different would it

861
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Speaker 1: be if we took Sam Donald as he is right now,

862
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Speaker 1: and let's just say we removed Ryan Tannehan, took Sam

863
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Speaker 1: Donald and dropped him in Tennessee's offense, He'd be fine.

864
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Speaker 1: What would it look like? You know what I'm saying, Like,

865
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Speaker 1: just just let's just say if we took him and

866
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Speaker 1: put him in the offense that they run in Minnesota,

867
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Speaker 1: what would it look like in San Francisco, how would

868
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: he look? What kind of player would he be? Like?

869
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: How how protected would he be in terms of playing

870
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Speaker 1: to the strength of his game and his athleticism. Can

871
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Speaker 1: the coordinator make the game easy for him? So it's

872
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: easy for us to say, like, hey, but he doesn't

873
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Speaker 1: do this, he doesn't do that. Okay, cool, he can't

874
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Speaker 1: do this. But can I pair him with someone who

875
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Speaker 1: can say? Yeah, I know you can't do that, So

876
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ask you to do that. I'm gonna

877
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: essentiate your strength. I think that's the thing going forward,

878
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Speaker 1: and I think that is going to be interesting when

879
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: we do get to this point where if he has

880
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: offered up on the trade market, who is going to

881
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Speaker 1: be the guy that looked at him compared to the

882
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and say, hey, let me take him because I

883
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: know I can do X, Y and Z and get

884
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Speaker 1: him up and running. And like I said, like we've

885
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: been saying, he doesn't need to be better than the

886
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: top three quarterbacks in this draft class. He just needs

887
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: to be better than the fourth because you know, or

888
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: maybe even the fifth, because those top guys are all

889
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: gonna go in the top ten. So if you're a

890
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Speaker 1: team picking down there in the twenty. You're not sniffing

891
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Speaker 1: any of those guys. You're not gonna see Lawrence or

892
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: Fields or or Trey Lance. You're probably not even gonna

893
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: see Zack Wilson. So to me, if you're picking down

894
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Speaker 1: at the bottom of the first round, you're comparing him

895
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Speaker 1: to that next group of quarterbacks. And I think he

896
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: stacks up very well. Yeah, and I think and I

897
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: think that's the conversation. I think that's the conversation that

898
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: you must have. Uh, if we go back and we

899
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Speaker 1: look at that list of names, the list of names

900
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Speaker 1: that we had with the CEA level quarterbacks, the Sea

901
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: level athletes, those are the those are the teams they'd

902
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Speaker 1: have to put him on. The document't have the conversation

903
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Speaker 1: about Sam Donald versus QB four or five one, Um,

904
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Speaker 1: all we better served or whatever. And I think the

905
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Speaker 1: interesting thing also will come. I think he's a better

906
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: player than Mr Drobiski, But I think someone is going

907
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: to look at Mr Drobiski's athleticism maybe not somewhere, you know,

908
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: and see those things. Yeah. No, it's interesting man, this

909
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: fun episode today. Uh what what what else you're working on? Buck,

910
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: anything else you want to hit, you know, I think

911
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: that is it. Like we've had conversations, uh, the last

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Speaker 1: couple of days over Dalvin Cook and how specially is

913
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: we talked about him over the summer being a potential

914
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: m VP candidate. He is definitely not disappointing. So we're

915
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Speaker 1: talking about that. And in DJ I wanted I'm gonna

916
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Speaker 1: dig deeper in the trade Hendrickson. He has emerged as

917
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Speaker 1: the complimentary pass Russia on the back side of Cam

918
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Speaker 1: Jordan's and I don't know if anybody thought that he

919
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Speaker 1: was going to be the one to be I was

920
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: gonna be that guy. Yeah that he has been the

921
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Speaker 1: one with seven and a half sacks to to to

922
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Speaker 1: give them that that that second punch up front, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Well this has been fun, man, it's been It's been

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Speaker 1: great to uh to dig in on this stuff. This

925
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Speaker 1: is my favorite episodes. Like we can talk about games

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Speaker 1: and react to games. Anybody can do that, But to me,

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Speaker 1: when we're looking at trying to build teams and looking

928
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Speaker 1: at the most important position and what to look for,

929
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what I get excited about. So, Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's been a phone today. Buck Appreciate now it's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Appreciate you did it all right,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us today. I want thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for for listening, thanks for subscribing to the pod,

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Speaker 1: and we'll catch you next time. Right here, I'll move

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