WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 103120 News Stories that Matter to Social Justice Seekers 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.360 Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I'm your host, 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:04.160 rams is Jah. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.240 They call me q wardon it just so happens to 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:09.000 be my name, and that the truth and today we 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.920 have a lot to talk about. Seems to always be 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:18.040 the case in today's climate. It life itself continues to 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:23.319 give us very very important things to talk about and 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:23.880 to touch on. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.320 Yeah, and of course today is no exception. You know, 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:32.120 we haven't been able to do it just yet. But well, 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.760 first off, Happy Halloween everyone. I'm gonna start off on 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.400 a positive note here. I hope everyone is safe and 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:39.720 has a good time out there. If you're gonna do 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.520 whatever you're gonna do, stay safe. But for today's show, 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.760 we need to discuss something that we've hadn't been able 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.280 to touch on just yet, and I want to talk 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.600 about ice cube and ice Cubes working with the Trump 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:59.040 administration and what that means. Another thing I want to 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:04.080 touch on, of course, is Walter Wallace Junior. If you 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:08.360 don't know, he is a young man who was killed 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.399 by police a few days ago in Philadelphia. I want 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:16.200 to say they shot him maybe eight or ten times 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.880 something like that. There's more to the story, of course, 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:20.600 so stick around. We're definitely going to touch on that 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.360 and a couple of other things. But first order of business, 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.520 this is a homegrown story that made national news, at 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:33.400 least homegrown for Qan and myself being from Phoenix, or 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:37.760 rather from Arizona. We're going to talk about a realtor 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:43.039 in scott Stille, in neighboring city here to Phoenix in Arizona, 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:50.640 a realtor who declared himself to be openly racist. And 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:58.480 I think that it kind of I think this story 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:04.560 really illuminates how folks can carry some really strange sentiments, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.800 some really hateful and hurtful sentiments and you not even 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:14.200 know it and proudly yeah exactly. So before I get 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:15.880 into telling this story, I want to tell you a 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:20.600 little bit about the background of Arizona and the folks 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:25.520 that live here. So Arizona is still very much the 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:29.440 wild West. Arizona is one of those places that you 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:34.240 can walk around with a gun on your hip or 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.520 wherever you want to carry it openly, where everyone can 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.320 see it and be intimidated or afraid of it, and 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.920 no one will do a thing. Now, there's lots of 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.000 places they can do that. This is the United States. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:49.880 There is a second Amendment, But Arizona is very much 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:54.240 one of those places, and there is this there's still 0:02:54.600 --> 0:03:01.760 this cowboy energy in the way uh in the in 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:06.239 the way of like almost like cowboys versus Indians. These 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.639 aren't the cowboys that are the heroes in everyone's mind. 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:11.440 These are the cowboys that are the heroes in their 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.079 own mind. Now in Arizona, if you're not familiar, there's 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.760 very much in certain parts of the state, in the 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.760 in the city, in Phoenix where we live, and in 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:24.520 Old Town Scott still very much is celebration of Native culture, 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.760 native history, just the lay of the land. You can't 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:30.840 really get away from it. It's beautiful and lots of 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:37.440 folks really appreciate the aesthetic. But in terms of the 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.800 the architecture, in terms of the infrastructure, in terms of 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:47.560 the attitudes, it's very much a celebration of cowboys conquering 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.320 the land, you know, frontiersmen pioneering the West and taking 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.680 over lands and staking their claim, et cetera. And I 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.960 think that that energy still persists to this day. And 0:03:58.000 --> 0:03:59.360 the reason I wanted to tell you that is so 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:05.280 you understand and the backdrop for the story of this 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.800 racist real term Now, if you haven't seen the video, 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.320 I employ you to watch it. You can check out 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.200 civicsipher dot com or you can check out any of 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.080 our social media at Civic Cipher. The video is still 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.880 up and you'll see an Asian man approaching a black 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.880 man and they have it out. But for those who 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.840 haven't seen the video, I'll paint a picture for you. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:36.240 There are there's one black man who's being filmed by 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.600 another black man, and. 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:43.800 There are the young man is a social media influencer 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.840 if you will, or a big YouTuber. Sure, so he's just. 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.760 Capturing some content for his channel. Of course, I g 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:56.159 for his social media and this is this is important 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.640 to the story. He's he just moved to Arizona. My understandings, 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:03.599 he moved recently to Arizona to Scottsdale from Michigan. That's 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.480 important to the story. But I want to take a 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:11.080 sidebar real quick. Lots of folks come here from Detroit, 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:15.279 Michigan or Michigan at large. Estate Q is one of 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.520 those people, indeed, and I know that when you come 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.160 to Arizona from Michigan, it's a whole new world. Like 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.279 Aladdin and Princess Jasmine. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.680 There's no better way to explain it than that it's 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.920 a whole new world, just like Aladdin and just like 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:31.440 Princess Jasmine. 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:39.920 Gentlemen, so taking pictures should be normal for someone who 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.080 comes from a place like that to flex like this. 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.839 Not even like not even something that you have to 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.280 think about as soon as you, oh, my goodness, what. 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:54.839 Is exactly grab a picture? So and I want to 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.360 further suggest to anybody, think in your own mind, if 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:03.039 these two men were not black, if they were less mellenated, 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:07.000 they would be regarded as tourists taking photos full stop. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:13.279 But because they're black, I think the ready assumption from 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:18.279 the Asian man that's not necessarily important to the story, 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:23.160 but it helps to distinguish the two parties involved regards 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.680 them as criminal, I think, largely because they're mellenated, or 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.400 only because they're mellenated, as you'll find out as the sorios. 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.480 So what happens is these guys are minding their business, 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.920 taking their pictures or doing their videos or whatever, and 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:39.640 they get approached by the older Asian man who walks 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.400 up to them and asks them what they're doing. They respond, 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:46.080 you know, we're taking pictures, but why are you taking 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:49.760 pictures of us, leading us the viewer to believe that 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.640 the Asian man had been taking pictures of them prior 0:06:52.680 --> 0:07:01.600 to his walking up to them. Afterwards, the Asian man 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.240 suggests something like, well, we've had some trouble around here, 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.720 you know, something like that, and he's and you know, 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.960 do you guys live out here? And the guy say, yeah, 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.200 we live here. You know we're not. We live here. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.040 We're doing fine, and then says back to the Asian man, 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.080 you're you're aware that you know of all these stories 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:23.840 happening with white folks harassing black folks for no reason, 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.120 and and he says, all these racist white folks says 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:33.320 something like that, and the Asian man says, well, I'm racist. 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.200 Never heard anything like that before. This is so calm 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.360 about it, but yeah, if you watch a video, he says. 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:39.760 It sure enough, proclaimed it. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:46.760 Yeah, And then afterwards declares Scottsdale to be a either 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:52.560 a inward free zone or a no no in word zone. Yeah. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.280 And he didn't say in word. He hit it with 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:58.040 the hard R, the hard R e R. There you go. 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:04.920 So when you see this this video, if you're black, 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.040 it hits how it hits. You know, it's it's that 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:09.520 that video is not gonna be the first time you 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.440 hear that word in your life. If your parents did 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.080 right by you to prepare you for it, so you 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:18.240 have the mental fortitude to endure those sorts of situations. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:23.440 But if you're not a black person hearing someone wheeled 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:27.520 that word so freely, you know, maybe maybe you're used 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.360 to it, maybe happens in your family, or maybe you're 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.920 appalled and you didn't realize that someone would just walk 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.000 up to a black person and just say that to them. 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:41.760 But that's what happened. And the gentlemen that were getting 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.480 the content for their channel, for the most part, kept 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.839 their composure. It didn't get physical or anything like that, 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:51.040 but they obviously had to exchange some words, told the 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.600 old guy to walk away, and then they went and 0:08:53.640 --> 0:09:02.680 filmed the River Outpost store or something like that, and 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.760 leading us to believe that that that guy worked at 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.560 the River Outpost or River Store whatever. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.760 And to be clear, he gave them the impression that 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.320 that's that's where he worked, that was his place of business. 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:18.000 Sure, so I do want to say to everyone listening 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.120 that if you watch the video, the River place is 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:25.240 not where this guy works. But they do still need 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.160 to really check their position on that Blue Shirts matter 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.240 flag they have hanging up in the window. But he 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.600 it turned out that he worked at Sotheby's. 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.480 Yeah, okay, worked past tense, past tense worked. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.120 So before we get into that, I want to ask 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.559 you Q when you first saw that, what went through 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:46.920 your head? 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:56.160 Initial confusion? The perpetrator, the the gentleman who's no longer 0:09:56.200 --> 0:10:03.560 employed is an Asian man in a Erica and the 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:10.120 measuring of plights, the comparison of wrongdoings is needless. But 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.080 there are several groups of people historically that have been 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:22.240 treated bad by this country, and for another minority to 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:26.839 adopt that position is always confusing. I don't know if 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:30.600 it comes from hate or misinformation or ignorance or a 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:34.600 combination of the three, but it always catches me off guard. 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:38.360 And I think that's what gave That's what helped that 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:42.839 young man not respond in a far worse way, because 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.720 you kind of have to laugh to yourself, like, man, 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:46.800 so another brainwashed. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.280 One, huh right. 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.160 Like I understand the position of the oppressor, like they're 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:54.800 the oppressor. They benefit largely from this, But from someone 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.040 who's also been under the thumb to think this way. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.920 They got you, you brain you brainwashed. I forgive you. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.120 I should punch you in your face, but I forgive you. 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.920 Isn't that crazy that he didn't Actually. 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.120 The fact that he didn't even really raise his voice 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:16.960 excuse me in response impressed me. Yeah, because I don't 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.120 know that I could have maintained the calm in that way, 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.240 and if I did, putting myself in that position, it 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:27.240 would have to be from that. It's not your fault, 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:28.960 you know, to forgive them for they know not what 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.400 they do. Kind of thing like, oh man, they got 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:31.720 you too. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:32.800 Huh. Poor guy. 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:37.319 More feeling sorry from him for him than enraged by him. 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:42.920 So there's something that a lot of folks, thankfully will 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:50.720 never fully be able to appreciate, and that black folks 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:55.320 have a special appreciation of. Appreciation is not the best 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:59.120 word in this case, but we're going to roll with it. 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:08.560 And that is the weight of the N word. When 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:13.040 it's on the lips of someone who is not black 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.040 and you are black, that is something that you can 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:25.480 there's almost like a tactile component there. You can feel 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:34.280 that in a way that almost translates to like physical pain. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.439 It's well, it's definitely weaponized right absolutely now. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:41.160 Now those things need to be in place, because we'll say, 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.120 for instance, if Q were to say something like that 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:48.720 to me, and you understand, you know, that's between the 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:54.160 two of us, given the right intonations and the right relationship, 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:55.600 or you know, a lot of times you don't even 0:12:55.640 --> 0:13:02.440 need a relationship. It just sounds familiar and familial. But 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.240 you know, change one little bit about it and it 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:13.040 becomes you know, it is something that again just kind 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.679 of elicits a response that is very difficult to put 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.360 into words. And I understand that a lot of folks 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:22.800 who are not black have a difficult time understanding why 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:29.199 a word could matter so much, And I want to 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.960 take a moment to talk about that and to get 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.080 your thoughts on it as well, Q. But for myself, 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:40.960 what I want to say is if I knew nothing 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:47.000 else and I was raised in an environment where that 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.760 word didn't exist, and then all of a sudden I 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.640 heard it, it wouldn't matter to me at all. The 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:57.040 word itself does not have magic powers. It's not a 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.920 call to black folks, you know, it doesn't. It doesn't 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.840 cause melanin to you know, respond at the frequently you know, 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:10.960 nothing like that. But I think that at least for me, 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:26.280 understanding that people human beings who wore this beautiful color 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.080 that God or the universe or whatever it is you 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:35.120 choose to believe in, chose to paint me. To know 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.960 that that was the last word that many of them 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:45.400 heard during their lifetime, as they were ripped apart by horses, 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:59.600 as they were set on fire, and on and on. 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.200 I'm not going to get into that. That's heavy, but 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.960 to know that, to know that I am the product, 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:09.200 I'm the result of a proud group of people where 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:15.840 that word was deliberately wielded over them to keep them 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:21.000 oppressed too. And in a lot of ways, the people 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:25.040 wielding that word really took it as truth that these 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.640 were in fact ignorant people. And I don't know if 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.800 you're listening to my voice right now or not, but 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:34.000 you can tell that I'm not an ignorant person. You 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.240 might not be able to tell that I'm black as Vans, 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:41.760 a black Midnight, a Spades black. You know, that's how 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:46.080 we do over here. But I will say that it's 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:52.960 very important to know that, at least for me in 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:57.480 my home, that is not a word that we use 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:04.880 ingest or in a familiar capacity or not. That's not 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.200 a word that my son's here, because I don't see 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.720 in words. When I look at my children, I see kings. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.960 But I also recognize that it's up to them and 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.720 everyone who gets to wear this pretty color that God 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:24.640 chose to paint me, to decide how they want their 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.640 story to be written and how they want that word 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.720 to be chronicled in their lives. And so while I 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.760 can't dedicate a whole show to just one word, I 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.760 do want to take that moment to explain to folks 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.680 who might not get the gravity of it, at least 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.680 a little bit of that gravity in my life. What 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:46.280 do you think? 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.440 I think there is too much nuance to it for 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:52.400 us to cover it all. 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.360 Sure there are. There are. 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.600 Other examples of words that were made to harm, meant 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:06.159 to hurt, meant to insult, being co opted by the 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.639 person who was supposed to be insulted by it, Like 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:13.440 the way that women use the B word to and 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.640 with each other as almost a term of endearment now, 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:21.119 whereas in once upon a time you couldn't levy a 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:25.760 heavier insult than that. Again, the way that it's said 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.480 and who says it matters. 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:28.800 Absolutely, So I won't. 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.119 I won't take up too much of our time because 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.240 there is so much nuance. We would almost have to 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.240 we would almost have to have an entire show about that, 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:42.160 which I don't want to do. I don't know, man, 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.600 My family is from the South. My mother's from Making, Georgia, 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:54.760 Bibb County, Georgia, the South South, and you and I 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:59.879 we did a show about our experiences in Mississippi. Imagine 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:05.280 that tone, that accent, and that voice wielding that word 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.000 towards us, and how much different it would feel than 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.959 when a rapper says it in a song. A lot 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:12.880 of people like to point to, well, why do they 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:14.600 say it? And how come they say it? And they 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.359 shouldn't say it, and those opinions vary, and you know, 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.800 everyone's allowed to have their opinion. Like I said, there's 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.160 far too much nuance, and I don't have the time 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:23.760 to really dig into it the way that I should. 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:28.520 But the word has, in a familiar form, been co 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.320 opted by those who were supposed to be insulted by 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.000 it and flipped to a term of endearment in the 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:38.440 way that you know your favorite female rapper will call 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.240 herself a bad B word as a big up or 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.760 a compliment to herself when you know the word was 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:49.560 intended to be an insult. And how people feel when 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:53.560 they hear it varies from person to person, So you know, 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:55.240 it's a conversation to be had, but. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:18:59.080 That's a big one. 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:03.679 There is a very very tangible feeling. Oh yeah, hearing 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.640 that word used the way that man used it, even 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.200 when he's not talking to you, because he is, Yeah, 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:12.320 because he is talking to you. 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.040 I saw you paint with broad strokes, you know what 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:21.919 I mean. So well, to continue with the story, you 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.919 know us, you know, we have a little bit of 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:28.920 a community here in Phoenix, black folks and allies, as 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.399 most cities do. And so we got to we got 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:33.679 to hold the video and we got to share in 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.600 that video, and then you know, some of the bigger 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:41.639 platforms Sean King, TMZ on and on and on, everyone 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:47.439 started sharing that video. And personally, I happen to know 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:52.480 some folks that work for the Arizona Board of Realtors 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:56.240 or some something like some important real realtor association here 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.200 in Arizona. But I have a friend that works very 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:04.119 closely with him, and so I found out early on 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.240 when the River Trading Post said that you know, he 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:11.480 didn't work there, that he actually worked for Sothebys, which 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:16.240 is a luxury real estate agency. 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:20.119 If you've been to Arizona, Scottsdale, Phoenix, if you ride 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:26.840 from Phoenix east on Camelback, almost every sign you see 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.840 for every nice home that you see will be this 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:30.880 particular company. 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:37.679 So they immediately denounced that behavior and put up a 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:43.840 bunch of multicultural photos of their employees, and they fired 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.320 him immediately, and then came back with the second post 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:51.960 saying that they recommended that his real estate license be revoked. 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.520 So I was not the only person looking to ensure 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.280 that his license was revoked. I got back word a 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.720 little early that it was revoked, and then I heard 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:04.080 that he had been arrested for disorderly conduct. And so 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:09.720 for those of us who believe that we are all 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:13.639 brothers and sisters on this planet, in this country, in 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:18.320 this city, or in your city, wherever you are listening 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:22.080 to this, you know, we'll call that a win. You know, 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:26.240 I do believe that there should be forgiveness built into 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:30.280 every conversation. A lot of folks disagree with me there, 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.199 but I think in this story. I'll call it a 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.760 win because this man didn't lose his life and he 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:38.840 got a chance to learn a lesson. And what's more 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:42.879 important is that people who maybe feel the way that 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:48.240 he feels, understand now perhaps a little further than they 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.000 did in the past, that maybe there are some consequences 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.280 if you get caught doing the wrong thing. 0:21:54.600 --> 0:22:00.560 The very interesting thing that you unintentionally left out is 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:04.760 that him approaching them, on its face, is not a crime. 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:09.280 Him approaching them, him being a racist, him just approaching 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:12.479 them because they're black, him expressing that he thinks there 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:16.640 might be a problem, of course, because they're black. All 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.679 of that's fine. It's the use of that word that 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:26.439 made it criminal. Yeah, that's important to point out, especially 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:30.120 because there are places you can't do that where they're 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:34.560 still trying to make hate crimes actual crimes. 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:37.640 It's not illegal to do a hate crime, or it's 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:39.000 not classified as I hate. 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:46.080 Correct, So you know, maybe the classification might need some specification. 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:48.480 But the use of that word is what made his 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:52.000 actions criminal, not just him being a jerk. 0:22:52.760 --> 0:23:00.240 Indeed, so again, happy ending there, and well as as 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:03.200 happy an ending as you can expect given the circumstances. 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.520 You know, everyone walked away. Everything's good lesson learned hopefully 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:09.199 by not just the man who lost his job, but 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:14.680 by again folks who were would observe that sort of thing. 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.880 And you know, like the other companies around there, they recognize, Hey, 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.200 you know what, these guys are better allies. These guys 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:23.280 meaning black folks and black allies, are better allies to 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:28.800 us and our our interest as a business than you know, enemies. 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:32.000 And maybe they might rethink their blue shirts matter stance 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:32.760 and et cetera. 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:36.360 But I'm gonna have that conversation one day too. 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.119 Oh yeah, no, it'll come. It'll come. We got an 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:42.320 election coming up still, so see where the chips lie. 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:44.680 Looking forward to that. That's next week, by the way. 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:48.400 Yeah yeah, but oh it's this coming week, isn't it. Yeah, 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:54.640 well yeah, this week? So anyway, ice Cube, Yeah, yeah, 0:23:55.600 --> 0:24:05.000 let's talk about it. If you are like me, you 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:09.800 grew up listening to ice Cube, and ice Cube was 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:15.520 the coolest and he was mister f the police and. 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:16.000 How about that? 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:16.720 Yeah? 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:18.119 From there to here? 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:24.640 Sure, wow, and on and on and you know, then 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:26.960 he made his family movies and so forth, and you know, 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.119 he pops up every so often. But you know, he 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:32.800 remember he did that. He had a time where he 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:34.640 was like doing the Warp tour and he was like 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:36.560 on stage with all the rock and roll guys and 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.280 he was trying to play in that field a little bit. 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:43.840 But you know, he's he's big enough, and he's from California, 0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:45.880 and I'm from I was born in California. I call 0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:49.399 myself from Phoenix, but I was born in California, and 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:53.359 so he was always very much a hero in my book. Well, 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:58.560 that very same ice Cube put together some sort of 0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:02.119 resolution forgive me not this unprepared but I forget the 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:02.600 name of. 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:05.160 It, contract with Black America. 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:11.119 That's why I keep you around, because you know stuff. Anyway, 0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:16.120 So ice Cube has this contract with Black America and 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:27.399 he's working with the Trump administration, and that's on its face, 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.600 sounds ridiculous because ice Cube is one of the heroes 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.520 that would really speak, you know. Ice Cube is Muslim, 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:36.639 you know, and and Muslims are one of the first 0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:44.160 groups that Donald Trump insulted, you know, and ice Cube 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:44.800 is one of the. 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:47.959 First groups he insulted as president. He started insulting black people. 0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:51.240 Oh yeah, long time, I think it was. 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:53.119 He came out the wound and that was probably a 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:58.800 long time right after he started crawling anyway. You know, 0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.200 So a long story short, ice Cube is the one 0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:06.400 person that you don't imagine would end up working with Donald. 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:11.200 Trump, especially because he said it, yeah he self, he 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:14.760 he self said it now that he would never. 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:19.800