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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. It's Thursday, everybody. Welcome to Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to talk to you about today

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Speaker 1: on the program, looking forward to it. First off, Nancy

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Speaker 1: Pelosi changing history or changing the rules, which one I

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Speaker 1: guess it actually could be both because it looks like

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Speaker 1: she changed the rules and she's trying to change history

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Speaker 1: about impeachments. We shall discuss that in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Is Kamala ready for running the country. Pelosi was also

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Speaker 1: asked about that we've got a Trump Meghan Kelly interview

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Speaker 1: with some interesting exchanges specifically on COVID and vaccines, which

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Speaker 1: I think we will have some time for sure to

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Speaker 1: dive into here. And we've also got some of the

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Speaker 1: latest on where the polls stand, where the racist stand.

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Speaker 1: But I actually want to take step back for a second,

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Speaker 1: because you're often hearing and Clinton. I both read a

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Speaker 1: an editorial in the Wall Street Journal today about this

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Speaker 1: you'll hear about Biden comics, and essentially the argument that

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Speaker 1: is being made is since we aren't in a horrific

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Speaker 1: recession with mass layoffs and you know, a stock market

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Speaker 1: down thirty percent or more or something. Since it isn't

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Speaker 1: pure economic devastation out there, Biden has somehow done a

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Speaker 1: good job. That's that's a very charitable reading to put

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Speaker 1: it mildly of what's actually going on. So what this

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Speaker 1: piece looks at is based on Census data. Again, is

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Speaker 1: this from the Wall Street Journal. And here let me

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Speaker 1: let me give this quote to everybody. Biden's trying to

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Speaker 1: avoid the real story, which is that the Census Bureau

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Speaker 1: says median household income adjusted for inflation, fell last year

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Speaker 1: by one thousand, seven and fifty dollars seventy four thousand,

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Speaker 1: five hundred and eighty. It is down three thousand, six

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy dollars from twenty nineteen, and households in

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Speaker 1: the fourth income quintile making between ninety four and one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty three thousand dollars lost forty six hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars in twenty twenty two and sixty seven one hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars since twenty nineteen. When you're looking at real household income,

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Speaker 1: people are on an annualized basis thousands of dollars poorer

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Speaker 1: than they were before Biden was in charge. A huge

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Speaker 1: part of this play clearly is inflation, which is chewing

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Speaker 1: away at the wages of people who live on wages.

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Speaker 1: It's different than people who own a lot of assets

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Speaker 1: that can function as a You know, if you own

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Speaker 1: the properties right, you can raise the rents as inflation

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Speaker 1: goes up. But if you're wage dependent, people are getting

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Speaker 1: hurt by this. I think the only point that biden

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Speaker 1: can make at this phase, or the only way that

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Speaker 1: they can try to sell people on Bidenomics, is the

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Speaker 1: usual class warfare junk right, it's about the billionaires and

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Speaker 1: you know they're whatever, which that's just that just relies

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Speaker 1: on envy and economic illiteracy. The other option is to say, well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't steer us right into a depression, did I?

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Speaker 1: That's pretty much where we are.

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Speaker 2: This is this is where the crux of this lies

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Speaker 2: because people get confused when you say, oh, inflation, I

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Speaker 2: think was up three point nine percent over last year.

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Speaker 2: People don't experience inflation year over year three point seven, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: three point seven. They look at it in the context

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Speaker 2: of what's their actual buying power. And that's what I've

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Speaker 2: tried to keep hammering home. And I give credit to

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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal because I read this this morning,

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Speaker 2: and I said, okay, this really crystallizes it. If you

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Speaker 2: feel like you legitimately have less money in your pocket

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Speaker 2: than you did before Joe Biden became president, you're not

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Speaker 2: making that up.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 2: The numbers here buck the average median income, So right,

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Speaker 2: median Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I

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Speaker 2: think the median is not the average. But if you

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Speaker 2: put like there's three hundred and thirty million Americans out there,

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Speaker 2: this is the absolute middle of Because you know Elon

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Speaker 2: Musk makes the trillion dollars or whatever else, the averages

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Speaker 2: can get skewed. This is what the real person in

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Speaker 2: the dead center middle of the country. Median real income

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Speaker 2: household average was seventy eight thousand, two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: dollars in twenty nineteen, the last full year before COVID started.

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Speaker 2: All Right, you want to know what the impact of

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Speaker 2: the Trump economy was. You were having a lot more

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Speaker 1: Right, twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Now in twenty twenty two, you have seventy four thousand,

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Speaker 2: I understand seventy four thousand dollars in New York City

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean we all know this, but.

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Speaker 2: That's four thousand dollars, basically, buck in real dollars that

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Speaker 2: and you're thinking to yourself, man, it feels like I

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Speaker 2: have less money. I'm working just as hard, and it

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Speaker 2: take care of my family. It's not your imagination. And

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Speaker 2: so when they try to come out and say Biden

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Speaker 2: on bags is working, everybody, everything is rolling here. No,

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden has been one of the worst guys on

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Speaker 2: the economy in any of our lives. And this is

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Speaker 2: the crux of the argument that I think Republicans need

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Speaker 2: to be making and Buck. I got a couple of

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Speaker 2: other data points here. Do you know what according to

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Speaker 2: the Quinnipiac poll that came out yesterday, you know what

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Speaker 2: the approval rating is nationwide for Joe Biden on the

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Speaker 2: economy thirty five percent. I asked a question thirty five

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say thirty five, but I cut you off.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna say thirty five, Now I was gonna

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Speaker 1: say thirty nine to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So thirty five thirty five percent, that's lower.

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Speaker 1: His overall approval.

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Speaker 2: Rating is thirty nine percent. It ain't good, But he's

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Speaker 2: thirty five percent on the economy. And you hear all

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Speaker 2: these guys out there, the quote unquote elite media, They're like,

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Speaker 2: why aren't people giving Biden credit for the economic situation?

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Speaker 2: Do they not realize what an amazing job he's done

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Speaker 2: avoiding a recession. And the answer is they've got four

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars less in their pocket than they did before

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden became president.

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Speaker 1: Here's also why I think this is going to be

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Speaker 1: a bigger problem for Democrats and not just Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: This one goes beyond these macroeconomic sentiments have down ballot consequences.

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Speaker 1: It's more than just oh, the guy who's at the

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Speaker 1: top is responsible for all of this because of what

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Speaker 1: the Democrats and the legislature have voted for the you know,

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Speaker 1: the Inflation Reduction Act, which has all this welfare basically

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Speaker 1: for you know, electric cars and solar panels and all

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Speaker 1: this other climate change nonsense. It's really a climate change

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Speaker 1: deal that they give away. Deal that they pretended was

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Speaker 1: an inflation reduction Notice, the Inflation Reduction Act Clay went

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Speaker 1: in this summer and inflation still going up. Inflation has

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Speaker 1: that would be, so clearly it failed. But that doesn't

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Speaker 1: surprise anybody. But I think that the longer we get

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Speaker 1: this with the Obama administration too. Remember the first two

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Speaker 1: years Obama was in office, when he took over from Bush,

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Speaker 1: it was you know, the car was in the ditch

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Speaker 1: ditch and it wasn't our fault. And to some degree

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Speaker 1: that works. That buys you some time, right. But now

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Speaker 1: we're going into year four of the Biden economy, and

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Speaker 1: I think anybody who is just looking at what it

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Speaker 1: lives recognizes this isn't this isn't an improvement, this isn't working. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they didn't shut down all four years of sectors of

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Speaker 1: you know, under a COVID mandate. This is insane. And

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Speaker 1: so I think that now the oh it's not our fault,

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Speaker 1: gonna fly. And these numbers are tough for them to grinding.

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Speaker 2: Inflation, high energy prices, high food prices in year four,

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Speaker 2: which is what we're heading into. That's tough to blame

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Speaker 2: on the guy before you. And also Buck, this is

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Speaker 2: important for everybody out there listening. It's important to understand

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Speaker 2: the arguments that they're trying to make that are not

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Speaker 2: rooted in reality. But what they will say is your

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Speaker 2: wages have gone up. And that's true because over time,

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Speaker 2: wages do go up unless you're in a totally defunct economy.

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Speaker 2: But here's the problem, and this is what this number

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Speaker 2: gets to, the sense of, if your wages go up

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Speaker 2: two percent and inflation is eight percent, that's a real

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Speaker 2: loss of buying power for you, and people feel it.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know that they necessarily sit there and

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Speaker 2: look at the economic data, because what Biden's saying is,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Your wages are up two percent this year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, to your point, if inflation's three point seven

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Speaker 2: percent in real dollars, you're actually losing money. In order

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Speaker 2: to make money, your income has in terms of increasing

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Speaker 2: your buying power, Your income has to exceed the rate

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Speaker 2: of inflation, right, And I feel like the Biden people

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Speaker 2: are taking advantage of First of all, a lot of

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Speaker 2: are just economically illiterate. So they say, well, wages are

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Speaker 2: up two percent. I don't know why people are upset. Well,

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Speaker 2: they're upset because inflation is at three point seven percent.

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Speaker 2: So if I got a two percent increase in my salary,

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Speaker 2: I actually lost one point seven percent in my buying power.

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Speaker 1: And that's what this is the argument.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: You need to be able to make that argument, because

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Speaker 2: this is why Biden's so underwater.

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Speaker 1: People feel it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that Republicans buck are making the argument

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Speaker 1: People aren't dumb.

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Speaker 2: They know I keep using my Chick fil A example,

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Speaker 2: But when I'm going through the Chick fil A drive

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Speaker 2: can't believe that it costs this much. I know, everybody

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Speaker 2: are you kidding me? I'm still buying the same stuff,

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Speaker 2: and now it's you know, twenty percent more.

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Speaker 1: You also look at if you're if you're let's take

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Speaker 1: that example, the median household income, which you could say

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Speaker 1: is by the numbers, you know, dead center middle class. Now,

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Speaker 1: just as an aside, you know, if you make seventy

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Speaker 1: not middle class for New York City. If you make

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Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars living in Tulsa, you're you're kicking. But

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Speaker 1: five thousand square foot house, right, So you know, the

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Speaker 1: cost of living is not taken into the median. So

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Speaker 1: if anyone who's like I don't feel middle class and

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Speaker 1: I make seven year, I have feel way better. Well,

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Speaker 1: where you live makes an enormous difference. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you make seventy thousand dollars in the San Francisco Bay Area,

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Speaker 1: you're living in your car. Okay, so very that's actually real.

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Speaker 1: By the way, there are Google engineers who make like

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Speaker 1: one hundred grand have you seen these articles? And they

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Speaker 1: sleep in their cars and so I'm not just making

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Speaker 1: that up. That's I talk.

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Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, you know this. But for

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Speaker 2: believe what their rent in Manhattan is.

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Speaker 1: Like my mind almost blows up at the idea, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the notion of savings and investments as a young person

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Speaker 2: And I'm just kind of curious from people who may

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, Here in the state of New Mexico, we

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Speaker 1: an impeachment inquiry will create a process for both forcing

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Speaker 5: bill to the floor.

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Speaker 1: All right, Clay, here she is in October of twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: the same Nancy Pelosi from what we know. Here she is.

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Speaker 5: Play and the same with Sherman said, there's no requirement

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Speaker 5: that we have vote, and so at this time we

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Speaker 5: will not be having a vote. And I'm very pleased

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Speaker 5: with the thoughtfulness of our caucus in terms of being

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Speaker 5: supportive of the path that we are on, in terms

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Speaker 5: of fairness, in terms of making the truth, in terms

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Speaker 5: of upholding the Constitution of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Clay, not only is she making it up about

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Speaker 1: what she used to say, is we know this is

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Speaker 1: common for Democrats. She's the one who really pushed for

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Speaker 1: Remember two impeachments of Trump. Impeachment is just effectively a

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Speaker 1: vote of parliamentary no confidence. Now it's just I don't

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Speaker 1: like you. Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: a censure moment.

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Speaker 2: And you can argue about whether or not you wanted

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Speaker 2: to see impeachment devalued in this way, but Democrats did

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Speaker 2: it by impeaching Trump. Twice, particularly for the Ukraine situation.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if anything, we should be honoring Trump for

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Speaker 2: asking the questions that he did about Ukraine that continue

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Speaker 2: to come out associated with Joe Biden. And in fact,

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Speaker 2: the irony here, to the extent you want to point

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Speaker 2: out in irony is Trump got impeached for asking about

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Speaker 2: what Joe Biden did. Think about how crazy that is

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Speaker 2: the first impeachment over the Ukrainian phone call. They impeached

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump for asking about what Joe Biden did. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that is remarkable on its face when you contemplate that

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Speaker 2: Trump was punished more significantly for asking about what Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden did than Joe Biden has been for what.

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Speaker 1: He actually did. It's also worth reminding everybody that Biden

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Speaker 1: in that now infamous audio it's been around for years,

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Speaker 1: but where he says, you know, well, you know, son

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Speaker 1: of a goone, the prosecutor got fired. That whole thing.

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Speaker 1: I remember that Biden there was explicitly admitting to a

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Speaker 1: quid pro quo, as we know now, to fire a

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Speaker 1: prosecutor who posed a threat to the company that was

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Speaker 1: paying his son eighty thousand dollars a month. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's what actually happened. Trump was impeached for asking his counterpart.

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Speaker 1: Trump was president, he asked his counterpart Zelenski of Ukraine

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Speaker 1: to look into what was criminal conduct, and that was

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Speaker 1: the basis for an impeachment, not just an inquiry, an

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Speaker 1: actual impeachment vote to be held. So you look at this,

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Speaker 1: you say which one is more egregious?

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Speaker 2: No, And look, I think the ultimate impact of this

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Speaker 2: is the reason why impeachment needs to happen is buck.

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Speaker 2: I was actually impressed by this. I try to look

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Speaker 2: on the bright side, as a lot of you out

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Speaker 2: there listening. No, sixty one percent of people in the

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Speaker 2: CNN poll believe that Joe Biden was involved in Hunter

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Speaker 2: Biden's business dealings sixty one percent, sixty four percent, I

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Speaker 2: believe of independence believe it forty two percent. Overall of

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Speaker 2: voters believe that Joe Biden has behaved in a criminal fashion.

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Speaker 1: You and I made this point. I think it's important

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Speaker 1: everyone out there.

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Speaker 2: Listening thinks that the January sixth political hearings or a

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Speaker 2: total sham and we didn't learn anything new, and that's true,

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Speaker 2: but they put them on primetime and they managed to

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Speaker 2: motivate and move a relatively small number of people to

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Speaker 2: be willing to vote based on democracy and danger. That's

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Speaker 2: the truth. If Republicans hold these hearings, buck even if

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Speaker 2: there's nothing new developed, and I think there's likely to

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Speaker 2: still be some new evidence developed. But if they just

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Speaker 2: hold the hearings, forcing the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN,

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Speaker 2: and MSNBC to cover the hearings will put some of

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Speaker 2: these allegations for the first time in front of those audiences.

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Speaker 1: Remember this is important fact.

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Speaker 2: Over half of Democrats still believe the Hunter Biden laptop

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Speaker 2: is Russian disinformation.

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Speaker 1: Think about that for a minute.

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Speaker 2: A huge percentage of the American public doesn't know the

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Speaker 2: truth about the Hunter Biden lap. These hearings might cut

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Speaker 2: through some of those noise, and the numbers are already

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Speaker 2: starting to move in our direction. So from a political perspective,

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Speaker 2: I think it puts the truth, which is Biden's criminal, legitimate,

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Speaker 2: very strong evidentiary basis for him to be charged with

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Speaker 2: crimes and or investigated for crimes. It puts it in

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Speaker 2: front of an audience that still doesn't know any of

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Speaker 2: this is true.

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Speaker 1: I asked this question that does not have an answer,

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Speaker 1: but I think we should be thinking about how does

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Speaker 1: this cut this will cut through the media news cycle

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Speaker 1: under normal circumstances. How does this impeachment inquiry do in

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Speaker 1: an environment where there are four criminal trials looming of

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Speaker 1: the other guy. That's there's not an answer, but I

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Speaker 1: think it's something to keep in mind here that the expectation,

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Speaker 1: you know, you see, it's a great question. And my

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Speaker 1: thought on this, Buck is and this is where I

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Speaker 1: can keep coming back to to what I think the

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Speaker 1: race is. If it's Trump Biden, I think it's basically

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Speaker 1: most people who are persuadable are going to say a

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Speaker 1: pox on both their houses. If you're middle of the road.

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Speaker 1: Now again middle of the road.

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Speaker 2: I think you say Biden's corrupt, and I think you

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Speaker 2: say Trump's corrupt. You're just like you're done with politicians.

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Speaker 2: You just want to throw the whole lot of them out.

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Speaker 2: I think that benefits Trump and Buck. The reason why

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Speaker 2: I think that benefits Trump is Biden ran in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty as I am pure as newfound Snow it's a

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Speaker 2: BS right. I have to be careful not to curse,

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Speaker 2: but it's BS. But enough people bought the idea I'll

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Speaker 2: just restore decency and decorum and sanctity and honor to

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Speaker 2: the White House, and now I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: people are saying, wait a minute, you are super dirty.

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Speaker 2: I think it takes that off the table, and then

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Speaker 2: it comes back to buck Biden's old versus Trump's criminal

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Speaker 2: try and I think Trump wins that.

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Speaker 1: I also think that people remember that Joe Biden was

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Speaker 1: going on TV giving speeches with red lighting in the

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Speaker 1: background flanked by marines, where he was talking about how

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Speaker 1: if you don't get a shot, that doesn't stop the spread. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I hope people remember that anytime they think about whether

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Speaker 2: we come back at the top of the next hour.

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Speaker 2: I want to build on a conversation that we had yesterday.

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Speaker 2: We got some interesting audio. We talked about sort of

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Speaker 2: people coming after Joe Biden in that Washington Post column.

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Speaker 1: Hey, he shouldn't run. But the Kamala thing.

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Speaker 2: I went back and I read it again yesterday after

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Speaker 2: our show, and the headline is all Joe Biden, But

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Speaker 2: I actually see it as more of an attack on

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Speaker 2: Kamala when you actually read and look at the text

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Speaker 2: as opposed to the headline.

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Speaker 1: You know that excellent piece in Tablet magazine that we

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Speaker 1: both talked about the Obama factor, about who's really calling

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Speaker 1: the shots in this administration? Could you what I would

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Speaker 1: really want to see if I could just like request,

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Speaker 1: you know, put this out there as a tasking for

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Speaker 1: a real journalist, would be the behind the scenes conversations,

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Speaker 1: you know, it would be effectively the Kamala factor in

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Speaker 1: this the behind the scenes conversations about I know we

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Speaker 1: all have to say she's ready, she's ready, but speaking

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Speaker 1: as a Democrat there, right, is she really guys? Do

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Speaker 1: we think she not only can win, but could be

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Speaker 1: a president that wouldn't drag down the whole Democrat you know,

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Speaker 1: ticket party, the whole thing going forward. I think I

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Speaker 1: think the confidence levels in her are incredibly weak from

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Speaker 1: her own team, and.

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Speaker 2: I think something for you to think about out there

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Speaker 2: at writ large. The argument for Kamala is what basically

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Speaker 2: that she's a black woman. The argument that Kamala has

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Speaker 2: tried to put forward is it's racist and sexist for

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Speaker 2: you to attack me. Actually, I'm doing a really really

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Speaker 2: good job, right, That's what Kamala has tried to put

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Speaker 2: out there. The reality is, I think people, no matter

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Speaker 2: what background you have, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, gay, straight

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Speaker 2: male female, I think people overwhelmingly see her as doing

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Speaker 2: a really really poor job. And if that is true,

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Speaker 2: then she's starting to destroy the possibility of even being

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Speaker 2: able to play the identity politics defense.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's we'll get because I think there's a lot there.

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Speaker 1: We've got some audio from Pelosi that goes to it's

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Speaker 1: the top of the next hour. We'll dive in this

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Speaker 1: little more. Wanted to get a few of you to

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Speaker 1: weigh in here. Uh John from Illinois, John, what have

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Speaker 1: you got? Hey?

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Speaker 4: How you doing today?

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Speaker 1: We're good.

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Speaker 4: You guys are doing a great job. You've got instead

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Speaker 4: of shoes to fill, So keep going.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. We're trying. We're trying. So what's on your

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Speaker 1: mom with impeachment?

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Speaker 4: As the impeachment goes, I think you're right about the

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Speaker 4: fact that you know it's it'll go through the House

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Speaker 4: and they'll get the votes, but they won't get the

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Speaker 4: votes in the Senate. And it's going to be for

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Speaker 4: a couple of reasons. Number one, because the Democrats aren't

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Speaker 4: going to admit to any kind of defeat or wrongdoing.

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Speaker 4: And second of all, because Kamala Harris is an absolute bafoon.

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Speaker 4: To go along with the conversation you were just having,

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Speaker 4: the woman does absolutely nothing but talk gibberish and embarrass

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Speaker 4: us every time she opens her mouth in front of

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Speaker 4: a microphone. It's it's a horrifying event. Almost as bad

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Speaker 4: as Joe. Okay, I mean, John, they're a match, They're

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Speaker 4: a match made in heaven.

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Speaker 1: John, Thank you, Thank you very much. Diana in Winter Gardens, Florida, Diane,

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Speaker 1: what have you got for us?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 6: How's it done?

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Speaker 1: Guys were great?

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Speaker 6: Good, So I just wanted to say the guy who called,

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Speaker 6: who had a cucumber and a cup of coffee in

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Speaker 6: two days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Victor in albert b Yeah, Victor in Albuquerque, sorry

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Speaker 2: to cut you off. Tons of you have reached out

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Speaker 2: wanting to help out Victor in Albuquerque who called in,

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Speaker 2: But yes, you wanted to continue to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure people knew who she who.

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Speaker 1: He was.

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Speaker 6: Broke my heart and pissed me off like Joe By,

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Speaker 6: who can be impeached for so many reasons. Yet I

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Speaker 6: honestly don't think it's gonna happen, you know, And they're

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Speaker 6: gonna continue to attack Trump and I don't have a

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Speaker 6: lot of votes for the next couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for calling in, Diana. I I we're gonna We're

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Speaker 1: gonna pull through. I actually think that it's not just

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Speaker 1: like we'll pull through as a country. But the more

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Speaker 1: I look at this, the more it feels like people

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Speaker 1: are understanding that there are very fundamental principles at stake

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Speaker 1: here with the effort to destroy Donald Trump that actually

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Speaker 1: go beyond Donald Trump. And I think they're gonna reject

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Speaker 1: this tyrannical distok you.

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Speaker 2: Super positive for a change, Well, you know, you must

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Speaker 2: have had a good night's sleep, I did actually

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Speaker 1: Govel it next