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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast featuring Jaguars dot Com Senior

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Speaker 1: writer John Osher and Jack Buars Executive producer Dave the Kemis. Dave,

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Speaker 1: I think before we get into the guests today, I'm

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Speaker 1: still sort of intrigued as I think everybody is by

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Speaker 1: the the quarantine or the isolation whatever. I keep hearing

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Speaker 1: from people. They quote things are getting back to normal unquote.

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Speaker 1: I don't really feel that. Uh. I went to Burrito

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Speaker 1: gallery we lived in Springfield whenever, to the Riverside Barrito

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Speaker 1: Gallery with my son and my wife the other night.

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Speaker 1: We went and it was still and I've felt like

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Speaker 1: I was in The Walking Dead at the beginning, when

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Speaker 1: you feel like you're looking around and the world is

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Speaker 1: changing and everything sort of sigh. I lent and you

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Speaker 1: look over and there's some bodies over on you. I

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Speaker 1: mean that that feeling of not of everything feeling odd

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Speaker 1: and quiet and all that. That still felt like that

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Speaker 1: to me. I'd begween, have you guys been out at all?

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Speaker 1: I know you've got two young kids. What's your impression

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Speaker 1: of that? Yeah, No, we haven't done like gone out

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Speaker 1: and need or anything. Uh. I mean, we've still done

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Speaker 1: Publix I've done the hardware store a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: but like, my big thing is still when I go out,

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Speaker 1: like it's almost like it's like this half second of

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Speaker 1: panic you get is like it's like, oh, that guy's

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Speaker 1: too close to me. Oh that what's going on here?

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Speaker 1: What I touched? I touched, I touched everything. That's okay,

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Speaker 1: Like I still kind of get like, and then it's

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Speaker 1: about a half second and then it's like, Okay, stop worrying,

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Speaker 1: everything's fine, Just go backs. Do a lot of this

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Speaker 1: will surprise you. I don't do a lot of shopping

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Speaker 1: during normal times because frankly, Shery doesn't trust me to

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Speaker 1: do very much in my own so she would prefer

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Speaker 1: to go do it. But during this when I've been home,

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Speaker 1: she's still working in the office that she has a

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Speaker 1: much more set schedule than I do. So I've been

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Speaker 1: going to publics in Walmart. The the terror that I

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Speaker 1: feel if I pick up a bright House smoothie right,

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Speaker 1: for example, and it's not the flavor I want, I'm

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Speaker 1: so scared to put it back. I'm like looking around

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Speaker 1: and making sure that like the thought police aren't aren't

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Speaker 1: swarming in on me. I'm not gonna say that I

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Speaker 1: haven't bought a few things that I really don't want

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Speaker 1: just because I'm scared to put it back. It's funny,

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Speaker 1: but and I get I'm not making light of it.

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Speaker 1: I get that the people who who are very concerned,

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Speaker 1: there's legitimate concern, and I just don't quite know how

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Speaker 1: to make light of people who are concerning people to

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Speaker 1: pick things and put them act. I just don't know

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Speaker 1: what the rules are, right, yeah, and every and the

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Speaker 1: funny part is like everyone has different rules and and

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Speaker 1: it's and then it's funny like people get mad on

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Speaker 1: both sides the break that they feel like break the rules.

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Speaker 1: And it's when you go out and if you go

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Speaker 1: out of public at all, like there is no winning.

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Speaker 1: You can't. Like Like the entire time when I'm out

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Speaker 1: or doing something, um now, the whole time I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: Am I? Or old on? Maybe maybe it's okay, Well

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Speaker 1: maybe this person is weirded out by this. The whole

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Speaker 1: time I'm just thinking, like about about the most simplest

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Speaker 1: is now right now. In my head, I think about

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Speaker 1: constantly the entire time You're you're actually doing it? Um,

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Speaker 1: I think. And we haven't gone out and done the restaurant. Think.

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Speaker 1: Part of that is we have two little kids, and

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Speaker 1: it's hard to tell a four year old, hey, and

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Speaker 1: not to touch something or don't go over there, like right,

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Speaker 1: she's she's like, are about the role? So that's the

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Speaker 1: main reason we haven't ventured out. Yeah, and it makes

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Speaker 1: you wonder, uh. I get everybody who's listening to this

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Speaker 1: they of May, and it's a lighter thing. Dave and

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Speaker 1: I won't be in that first group going back, probably

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Speaker 1: a few weeks before we go back, because the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: are being smartly cautious. But all these things we're talking

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Speaker 1: making decisions about when teams go back. They're trying to

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Speaker 1: balance Okay, we're going back, let's figure out what this

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Speaker 1: means for players, what this means for football. It's a

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Speaker 1: heavy lift between now and and and July or and

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Speaker 1: I don't anticipate us being back in the office for

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Speaker 1: a few weeks, and then when we are, it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a fascinating a few months to see how

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Speaker 1: life is really like for football players, for football coaches,

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Speaker 1: for people around it, to the entire sports world. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and there's still a lot to be determined. And the

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Speaker 1: one of vantas the NFL has is there will be

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Speaker 1: our team meeting the other day, they were talking about

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Speaker 1: things even as simple as hey, there's only gonna be

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Speaker 1: we John has his own little office of course because

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Speaker 1: he's the senior writer. But where I work, we work

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Speaker 1: know that's not socially distant. So we'll be interesting. What

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Speaker 1: airplanes like, it will be interesting what they do with

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Speaker 1: the player. Players have to be quarantined. I mean, there

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Speaker 1: are still so many things to be answered, and I

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Speaker 1: like like the NFL has to prepare for like ten

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Speaker 1: or even though and this thing has been changing so fast,

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Speaker 1: sure they'll go into it with contingency plans, plan a

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Speaker 1: plan being then down to Plan you know, eight or whatever.

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Speaker 1: be prepared for a very odd season that maybe doesn't

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Speaker 1: It's since I was pre consciousness, games have been on

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Speaker 1: at one o'clock, four o'clock, lately eight o'clock on Sunday night.

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Speaker 1: You knew what your Monday schedule was. Yifty three players,

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Speaker 1: Guys are are deactivated half an hour before the game,

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. A lot of those things could feel

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Speaker 1: a root team game, and this is not a routine season,

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Speaker 1: So uh who knows that it's it's gonna be fascinating.

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Speaker 1: But I guess that brings this now in a roundabout

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Speaker 1: way to our to our guest this weekend. It's a

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Speaker 1: guy that I have been fascinated by since he joined

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Speaker 1: replacing a very popular player, very effective player with a

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Obviously, this is a completely different kind

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Speaker 1: of offseason. What is it like from a player's perspective?

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Speaker 1: Is it? Is it dramatically different yet for you feeling

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Speaker 1: It's very very different because around this time and when

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Speaker 1: It's kind of It's just it's kind of tough though,

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Speaker 1: and uh, but I just do workouts, man, I mean it,

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Speaker 1: appreciation for that, for somebody to put you aside and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you've got a chance to make it, but here's what

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Speaker 1: it's gonna take. Uh, To be honest, not really. I

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Speaker 1: people really didn't. Even when people see me now, they like,

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Speaker 1: what's like, how did he do? What him is going on?

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Speaker 1: But because I was like always smaller than everybody, I

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Speaker 1: didn't get the gros sperad. So I was like my

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Speaker 1: senior year and it was just like I was like,

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Speaker 1: I've been like an underdog my whole life. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 1: some people probably told me that, but I didn't even

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Speaker 1: I wasn't really here. I had one I had a

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Speaker 1: thing on my mind. I had my own plan, and

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Speaker 1: uh I was That's what I was going through. That's

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Speaker 1: how I was sticking with. I knew I was good enough.

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Speaker 1: I just had to make plays just to show it.

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Speaker 1: So final thoughts um on the Jaguars this year, there's

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Speaker 1: it was like all the predictions, all the predictions are

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Speaker 1: that it's it's gonna be a tough scene every so

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Speaker 1: it happened last year. What do you see in the

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Speaker 1: team that you believe it's gonna go well? What gives

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Speaker 1: you confidence going into this? I feel like it's a

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Speaker 1: fresh start, and you know it's gonna be zero zero,

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Speaker 1: so that can book. But we can go in there

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Speaker 1: and be the underdogs and just take over if you

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Speaker 1: put the work in and and everybody you know, just buying,

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Speaker 1: just locking and just take care of their business. I

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Speaker 1: don't see why I see the scott of limit for

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Speaker 1: this team. We just we can do good. We just

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Speaker 1: gotta do. You know, I got the talent, got the coaches,

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Speaker 1: I just got apply pressure on everybody. And players never

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Speaker 1: careful but outsiders thing they're not. You're on the field

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Speaker 1: with us. So all your uncles and aunts and your

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Speaker 1: cousins and your friends that worried the co workers talking

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Speaker 1: all like, oh they need to do this, they need

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Speaker 1: to do that, ain't none of them never played probably

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Speaker 1: a liquor football, So yeah, I really don't. I really

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Speaker 1: don't care what they do. And now the Ozone five

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Speaker 1: with djy f DJ. What is your last thing to watch? Um?

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Speaker 1: The last dances Marcus Joan DRM this isn't part of

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Speaker 1: the five but m j or Lebron but you got

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Speaker 1: dam Jay? What's in your pockets when you leave the house?

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Speaker 1: While there's my keys? Last station or song listen to

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Speaker 1: in your car? The last song I listen to my

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Speaker 1: car was Jason iding youki eat? I can last sure

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Speaker 1: you did around the house, washed clothes. That's good? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And finally your go to take out month. There's all

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Speaker 1: these kids and for sure, for sure good stuff. Some

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Speaker 1: steak about with the rice and the retalle beans and

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Speaker 1: say real but Taylor salad and be hidden. Well, DJ,

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I appreciate you joining us. I think

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Speaker 1: the fans were hearing this. I think they'll see a

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Speaker 1: different side of you and I'm looking forward to and

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you joining us very much. Man, no problem,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you ill haven't David. I think what's always

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Speaker 1: interesting to me when I'm interviewing or talking to a

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Speaker 1: veteran he certainly fits. This is guys who stay in

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Speaker 1: the league six or seven years usually aren't staying in

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Speaker 1: just because of talent. They're staying in because they have

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Speaker 1: learned how to be professionals. Here's a guy whose role

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Speaker 1: has dramatically changed, and he came into the league. He

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Speaker 1: came in as a top outside corner number eleven pick

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Speaker 1: or number twelve pick in the draft. He has clearly,

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Speaker 1: to me, learned how to be a pro over the years,

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Speaker 1: switch positions, learned positions. I think nickelback is the hardest

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Speaker 1: position on defensive play. He has figured out how to

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Speaker 1: play it, how to bring linebacker traits, cornerback traits into

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Speaker 1: this role, and has learned how to take his talent

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Speaker 1: and be a very productive player. And he's now on

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Speaker 1: his third team, and he's found a home on his

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Speaker 1: third team, which is pretty unusual in the NFL. He was,

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Speaker 1: you know, raiders first, Ben Lyons usually by year six

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Speaker 1: or seven, which DJ is going into year eight, I

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Speaker 1: think sort of played out and they're drifting around going

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Speaker 1: team to team. He's now a core guy in his defense.

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Speaker 1: So a very fascinating story and a guy who is

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Speaker 1: uh I think, really earned a long career in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and I respect that a lot. Yeah, I mean, even

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Speaker 1: based on that injury had in college, which terrific and

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Speaker 1: he's able to come back from from it. Really it's

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Speaker 1: really says something about your your personality. From what he

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Speaker 1: talked about, I think he's talked about it a whole

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Speaker 1: lot and didn't He doesn't really want to spend hours

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Speaker 1: talking about it anymore, and I understood that. But for

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Speaker 1: people who don't know the story, the injury he had,

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Speaker 1: doctors said afterwards, it's very you don't see injuries like

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Speaker 1: that except in high impact car collisions, and that's why

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Speaker 1: it was. It was very touch and go for a

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Speaker 1: while whether he would live or not after it because

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Speaker 1: I read one story is like fatality right when this happens,

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Speaker 1: because sometimes the attending physicians don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: High number. So I mean it's it's a I get

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Speaker 1: when people sort of move on from that, ready to

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Speaker 1: let that go. But fascinating life and career the d J.

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Speaker 1: Hayden has had. Yeah, and also is a great eight

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Speaker 1: second SoundBite in the locker room, which he'll have two

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Speaker 1: or three a year where it's just bald. But what

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Speaker 1: I want to get to about DJ and is for

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Speaker 1: his age, he's a Jordan guy, not Lebron guy. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty surprising. Like me, I'm a Jorge guy all the

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Speaker 1: way because thirty five years old, and that was like

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Speaker 1: prime sports viewing for me. It was Michael Jordan's The

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Speaker 1: Last Dance documentary has been unbelievable for me. But I

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Speaker 1: was a surprise based on based on age, because I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's he was probably, you know, a teenager when Lebron

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Speaker 1: came in, and that's I'm sports viewing, and uh, it

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Speaker 1: would take some work for him to actually uh see

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Speaker 1: Jordan's career rather than Lebron's. That makes sense. And I

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Speaker 1: think kids, I say kids because a lot of the

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Speaker 1: players who covered to me are kids. Kids see Jordan's

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Speaker 1: and they can't imagine that any player who played in

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Speaker 1: the nineties would be as good as the guys they're

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Speaker 1: seeing now because they see Lebron way. That to me,

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Speaker 1: I was I was a huge Carolina fan when Jordan

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Speaker 1: played there. I started following him when he got there.

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Speaker 1: It was more because a friend of mine was a

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Speaker 1: fan of theirs, and then I watched Jordan's as he

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Speaker 1: came up. I didn't love him in the NBA the

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Speaker 1: way I did at Carolina just because I was a

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Speaker 1: big Seattle SuperSonics fan. I followed my team rather than

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Speaker 1: the player. But the dominance that Jordan's had over the league,

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Speaker 1: and the one area that I don't think Lebron or

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Speaker 1: anybody in the NBA now matches maybe anybody in sports,

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Speaker 1: was the feeling of inevitability when your team was playing

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Speaker 1: the Bulls and the Sonics team in which was my team,

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Speaker 1: Gary Peyton, Shawn Camp, Delas Tramp, Percy Hawkins, a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch that was a great team. Watching it, there was

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Speaker 1: a feeling on my part of Jordan can figure out

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Speaker 1: way to pull this out. It felt in every that

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Speaker 1: was a great Bulls team. It was the seventy two

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Speaker 1: in team. I think it was seventy one with I

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Speaker 1: would guess most fans of the Jazz, most fans of

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Speaker 1: the teams they beat in the first three Pete the

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Speaker 1: Laker have to beat the Lakers in ninety one. I

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Speaker 1: think that their first I guess is most hardcore fans

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Speaker 1: of teams that were playing them had the same feeling

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Speaker 1: of inevitability of more my team's great. I wish they

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Speaker 1: were great in another era, because he's gonna win it somehow,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure anybody else has ever matched that.

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Speaker 1: All Right, if you liked the ozone podcast, subscribe on

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Speaker 1: whatever podcast channels it is you listen to. Thank you

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Speaker 1: to Joe Fortunao for making this sound better than I am,

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Speaker 1: thanks to Dave the Campus for making me sound better

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Speaker 1: than I am, and thanks to me for not being

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Speaker 1: as good as I am. So that'll do it for

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Speaker 1: this week's o Zone podcast, and we'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next week. Ye