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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey thereon, Welcome Back to the Book of Joe with Me,

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Speaker 1: Tom Berducci and Joe Madden and our glue guy. Vince

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Speaker 1: actually made it down from a light poul Joe after

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Speaker 1: the Eagles won the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: So glad to have him back.

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Speaker 3: I would expect nothing less than that. Congratulations to Vince,

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Speaker 3: diehard Eagles fan. I've got a lot of folks back

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Speaker 3: there that I got to say congrats to.

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Speaker 4: But they aired Vic.

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Speaker 3: Fangio, the defensive Corny were just talking about him. He's

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Speaker 3: from Dunmore, Pennsylvania. Used to play summer ball and Dunmore

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Speaker 3: at Shouts Stadium of the Scranton Red Sox.

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Speaker 4: And I think of anything.

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Speaker 3: I mean, of course, the Eagles played a complete game,

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Speaker 3: but their defense yesterday that was that was stellar.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Mahomes couldn't breathe.

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Speaker 3: I could believe the looks on the Chiefs faces when

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Speaker 3: they got in real Titus.

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Speaker 4: It's like we've talked about.

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Speaker 3: I talked about those playoff situations where you look at

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Speaker 3: the other team's face and they're defeated. They were defeated

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Speaker 3: rarely in that game. That's how tough the Eagles defense

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Speaker 3: was yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, must have brought you back to the two thousand

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Speaker 1: and two playoffs Angels against the Yankees.

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Speaker 4: It did, I swear to god, it did.

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Speaker 3: I sing it with Wendy, and I'm saying, look at

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Speaker 3: their faces, look at their faces.

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Speaker 4: They were done.

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Speaker 3: And it happens, manet, it is I old, you get

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Speaker 3: punched in the face. You got a great plan and

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Speaker 3: you get punched in the face. That's exactly what happened

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Speaker 3: to them. They're used to getting down and coming back,

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Speaker 3: but not like that. They felt that defense on them.

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Speaker 3: And I really thought Mahomes would prevail before the game began,

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Speaker 3: but I didn't anticipate that either. And like I said, Vick,

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Speaker 3: I'm happy for Vic. It's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Well, Joe, I'm glad you brought him up.

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Speaker 1: And we need to talk more about the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: not just because it's an American spectacle it seems to

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Speaker 1: get bigger every year, but I think it leads us

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Speaker 1: to something we love talking about on this podcast and

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Speaker 1: including in our book especially, is the craft of teaching

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Speaker 1: and coaching, and they're really one and the same. And

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Speaker 1: to me, the Super Bowl was a testament to teaching

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Speaker 1: and coaching. Yes, players play, and to be a great coach,

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Speaker 1: obviously you need great players. But the stories behind these guys,

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Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni and Vic Fungio, we need to explore that,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's something that's close to us, Joe,

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Speaker 1: because Nick Siriano played three years of college football in

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Speaker 1: Division III at Mount Union. Vic Fangio did not play

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Speaker 1: college football, and Joe, as someone you are one of

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Speaker 1: the few people to win a World Series as a

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Speaker 1: manager who did not play Major League Baseball. I'm the

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Speaker 1: only person who has won an Emmy as an analyst

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Speaker 1: we can relate, especially near and dear to our hearts

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Speaker 1: what you do, right, what your background is. We talk

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Speaker 1: to talk about the journeys and the spectacular story that

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Speaker 1: need to be told.

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Speaker 2: So how about Sirianni.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Joe, did you know that his ancestry

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Speaker 2: I've got that in common with him.

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Speaker 3: I did not know that, But I mean the last

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Speaker 3: the background of the Philadelphia Eagles victory right there, Sirianni

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Speaker 3: Vic used to come see me and the dugout in Chicago.

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Speaker 3: you know, straight, I don't know, Sirianni, but from Vick's perspective,

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Speaker 3: It's just this is what I'm thinking, this is who

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Speaker 4: But yeah, as a Novalve.

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Speaker 1: That's good, good start. But also the backgrounds of these guys, Joe,

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Speaker 1: I think both of us can relate. You are one

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Speaker 1: So we talk a lot on this podcast about journeys,

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Speaker 1: good team, but that's Division three. You don't see a

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Speaker 1: And then he started his career at Indiana University of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: That's iup, Joe. I'm sure you've heard of it. As

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Speaker 3: but it was always about teachers. Colleges all throughout Pennsylvania

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Speaker 3: You got these different teacher colleges. And yes, I'm very

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Speaker 3: much I don't think it's far from slippy Rock.

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Speaker 2: Right, I think you're right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So he gets hired his big break, I guess you

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Speaker 1: beyond peewee football to become an NFL coach, that's just amazing.

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Speaker 1: He played golf actually in college. So that was Nick's

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Speaker 1: But this was really interesting too, Joe that when he

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Speaker 1: But how about that talk about full circle? Then you

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Speaker 3: That is I didn't know that all that part about

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Speaker 3: it when you're explaining this setting this whole thing up

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Speaker 3: curious about that exactly. You don't know the answer, But

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Speaker 3: What did they see in these guys? I can understand

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Speaker 4: See in these guys, especially you know doesn't get out of.

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Speaker 1: Well, the story with Todd Haley was well, Nick was

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Speaker 4: Let me give you this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're just jogging there heavily. I got my

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Speaker 4: To another tone within our book. That's exactly what happened

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Speaker 2: I love that story with Larry Joe, I really do.

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Speaker 1: And it also shows you the impact when someone shows

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Speaker 2: He was eighty three when he retired.

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Speaker 1: You think about all the people that he mentored and influenced,

439
00:20:06,398 --> 00:20:08,478
Speaker 1: not all making it to the NFL as head coaches

440
00:20:08,558 --> 00:20:12,638
Speaker 1: or assistant coaches, but three of them did actually, including Fangio.

441
00:20:12,958 --> 00:20:16,198
Speaker 1: Just an amazing career. I mean that's you think about.

442
00:20:16,318 --> 00:20:18,638
Speaker 1: I always say this, Joe, you make a list of

443
00:20:18,678 --> 00:20:21,078
Speaker 1: the people who most influenced you in your life, other

444
00:20:21,118 --> 00:20:24,998
Speaker 1: than obviously your close family, You're bound to have a

445
00:20:25,038 --> 00:20:27,638
Speaker 1: teacher or a coach or both on that list. This

446
00:20:27,758 --> 00:20:31,718
Speaker 1: is a good example of that. He really shaped Vick's life, really,

447
00:20:31,758 --> 00:20:32,438
Speaker 1: not just career.

448
00:20:32,758 --> 00:20:35,118
Speaker 3: We talked about coach Rooting the book Coach Bob Route

449
00:20:35,118 --> 00:20:37,598
Speaker 3: from LAFI had calls my backfield coach. He had been

450
00:20:37,638 --> 00:20:40,438
Speaker 3: a head coach at Easton High School right across the

451
00:20:40,518 --> 00:20:43,798
Speaker 3: river from I mean Excusman Philipsburg, right across the river

452
00:20:43,878 --> 00:20:47,318
Speaker 3: from Easton. Any of this guy, as much as anybody,

453
00:20:47,518 --> 00:20:50,798
Speaker 3: helped me to really slow things down and had confidence

454
00:20:50,798 --> 00:20:53,798
Speaker 3: in my own convictions. And he was the guy that

455
00:20:53,878 --> 00:20:57,358
Speaker 3: and he taught me respect your communication as opposed to intimidation.

456
00:20:57,798 --> 00:21:00,718
Speaker 3: That's what I always got from Coach Root. I could

457
00:21:00,718 --> 00:21:03,318
Speaker 3: see his face, I could see the sugar Bowl ring

458
00:21:03,358 --> 00:21:05,798
Speaker 3: on his hand, and I could just just the way

459
00:21:05,798 --> 00:21:08,358
Speaker 3: he would speak to me was just like so grounding

460
00:21:08,638 --> 00:21:09,798
Speaker 3: and confident.

461
00:21:09,838 --> 00:21:11,078
Speaker 4: It made me made me feel good.

462
00:21:11,118 --> 00:21:15,678
Speaker 3: He was always he was always boosting my convictions as

463
00:21:15,678 --> 00:21:18,318
Speaker 3: opposed to tearing them down in any way, shape or form.

464
00:21:18,998 --> 00:21:20,918
Speaker 3: And there's others like we talked Bob Clear in baseball.

465
00:21:20,918 --> 00:21:23,118
Speaker 3: I could go on and on, but we were talking

466
00:21:23,158 --> 00:21:26,478
Speaker 3: football specifically, you know, Richie and Side. My Midsiet football

467
00:21:26,478 --> 00:21:30,198
Speaker 3: coaches were very influential. Coach Siminsky made me tough. The

468
00:21:30,238 --> 00:21:34,278
Speaker 3: HD football coach at Hazelton High School, coach Adam Seminski,

469
00:21:34,358 --> 00:21:36,798
Speaker 3: made me tough. I mean you you cannot not be

470
00:21:36,958 --> 00:21:39,438
Speaker 3: tough and play for this gentleman who played for Duffy

471
00:21:39,518 --> 00:21:40,638
Speaker 3: Darty at Michigan State.

472
00:21:41,038 --> 00:21:42,358
Speaker 4: And so these these are the guys.

473
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Speaker 3: Man, you only play back the tape like we were

474
00:21:44,638 --> 00:21:47,638
Speaker 3: asking me these questions, are presenting these questions right now

475
00:21:48,118 --> 00:21:51,438
Speaker 3: that caused me to think that stuff. But it's definitely embedded.

476
00:21:51,598 --> 00:21:54,798
Speaker 3: And I'm so grateful that it wasn't easy. I'm so

477
00:21:54,918 --> 00:21:57,718
Speaker 3: grateful that it was difficult. I'm so grateful that I

478
00:21:57,718 --> 00:22:01,278
Speaker 3: had people that did it just not did not sugarcoat anything,

479
00:22:01,958 --> 00:22:03,878
Speaker 3: h and made it a little bit more difficult, only

480
00:22:03,998 --> 00:22:06,078
Speaker 3: because they were trying to make you better at what

481
00:22:06,118 --> 00:22:09,638
Speaker 3: you did. So, yes, you're absolute, one hundred percent agree

482
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Speaker 3: those are the most influential.

483
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Speaker 4: In our lives.

484
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a favorite saying, I guess he had

485
00:22:14,838 --> 00:22:17,238
Speaker 1: many of them. But Jack Henses used to say, you know,

486
00:22:17,318 --> 00:22:20,318
Speaker 1: they don't put your win total on your gravestone. In

487
00:22:20,358 --> 00:22:22,278
Speaker 1: other words, you know, your impact is not the wins

488
00:22:22,278 --> 00:22:25,158
Speaker 1: and losses. It's in all those people that you're mentoring

489
00:22:25,198 --> 00:22:29,518
Speaker 1: and coaching. So you talk about the influences on Vic Fangio,

490
00:22:29,558 --> 00:22:31,958
Speaker 1: that was a huge influence for him. From there he goes,

491
00:22:32,438 --> 00:22:35,518
Speaker 1: you got a job at Milford Academy, which basically a

492
00:22:35,558 --> 00:22:39,078
Speaker 1: postgraduate school for guys looking to continue their playing careers

493
00:22:39,078 --> 00:22:42,038
Speaker 1: as football players in college, goes to UNC as a

494
00:22:42,038 --> 00:22:44,718
Speaker 1: graduate assistant, and his big well, actually he went to

495
00:22:44,718 --> 00:22:48,038
Speaker 1: the USFL coached on defense in nineteen eighty four, and

496
00:22:48,078 --> 00:22:50,278
Speaker 1: his big break he got hired by the Saints as

497
00:22:50,278 --> 00:22:52,958
Speaker 1: a linebacker's coach. So that was in nineteen eighty six.

498
00:22:53,358 --> 00:22:56,718
Speaker 1: So he's probably seven eight years out of college at

499
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Speaker 1: that point. Shoe, you think about those of the grindstone,

500
00:23:00,278 --> 00:23:03,558
Speaker 1: there's nothing there you would think that would lead someone

501
00:23:03,558 --> 00:23:05,758
Speaker 1: to believe I'm going to be an NFL coach other

502
00:23:05,798 --> 00:23:06,998
Speaker 1: than passionate work ethic.

503
00:23:07,318 --> 00:23:09,958
Speaker 2: Right, seven years, you haven't played college football at all.

504
00:23:10,038 --> 00:23:12,758
Speaker 1: You've coached some high school teams, you're helping out as assistants,

505
00:23:12,878 --> 00:23:14,838
Speaker 1: not even a head coach, and you get your big

506
00:23:14,838 --> 00:23:18,678
Speaker 1: break to coach linebackers for the New Orleans Saints. And

507
00:23:18,878 --> 00:23:21,278
Speaker 1: he's been in the NFL for four decades since.

508
00:23:21,478 --> 00:23:26,478
Speaker 3: Minor league's baby buses, long road trips, bad hotels, not

509
00:23:26,598 --> 00:23:29,518
Speaker 3: enough money to eat, You can't save a penny, there's

510
00:23:29,518 --> 00:23:31,838
Speaker 3: nothing going in the bank account. It's just a paycheck

511
00:23:31,878 --> 00:23:36,158
Speaker 3: to paycheck existence and the work ethic has created your

512
00:23:36,158 --> 00:23:37,878
Speaker 3: imagination sorts.

513
00:23:38,278 --> 00:23:39,558
Speaker 4: You're always thinking about.

514
00:23:39,278 --> 00:23:43,358
Speaker 3: Different new ways of doing old things, not unlike what's

515
00:23:43,398 --> 00:23:48,238
Speaker 3: happening today, but with less help of machines, boxes, analytics,

516
00:23:48,358 --> 00:23:50,838
Speaker 3: dat etc. Just pretty much of your own device is

517
00:23:50,838 --> 00:23:53,678
Speaker 3: what you were seeing, feeling, hearing, and your own experiences.

518
00:23:53,718 --> 00:23:56,798
Speaker 3: So listen, football coaches. I mean, these guys, it's crazy

519
00:23:56,798 --> 00:23:59,438
Speaker 3: because they don't minor leagus. You could stay with one

520
00:23:59,518 --> 00:24:01,838
Speaker 3: organization like I did for thirty years and eventually have

521
00:24:01,878 --> 00:24:04,478
Speaker 3: an opportunity. But these guys like you just described and

522
00:24:04,518 --> 00:24:06,918
Speaker 3: normally go from here to there whatever, and if they're

523
00:24:06,918 --> 00:24:09,158
Speaker 3: married or married with kids at all, what an existence

524
00:24:09,238 --> 00:24:11,918
Speaker 3: that is. So I have so much respect for all

525
00:24:11,958 --> 00:24:14,158
Speaker 3: of that. And that's the whole thing. And people turn

526
00:24:14,238 --> 00:24:16,518
Speaker 3: on the TV and they see Vic sitting up in

527
00:24:16,518 --> 00:24:18,358
Speaker 3: that corner with his eagle hat on and those little

528
00:24:18,398 --> 00:24:20,198
Speaker 3: cameras that they put up in the booth, and they

529
00:24:20,198 --> 00:24:22,198
Speaker 3: look at him as being very successful, great at what

530
00:24:22,238 --> 00:24:24,638
Speaker 3: he does, et cetera. But what you're talking about, we're

531
00:24:24,638 --> 00:24:27,838
Speaker 3: talking about right now, that's where that was born. He

532
00:24:27,958 --> 00:24:29,918
Speaker 3: was not born, he was not anointed, he was not

533
00:24:30,758 --> 00:24:34,918
Speaker 3: just entitled to this particular situation. You saw the Eagles

534
00:24:34,958 --> 00:24:38,518
Speaker 3: play dramatically great defense yesterday and as the culmination of

535
00:24:38,558 --> 00:24:42,798
Speaker 3: many years of experience that Vic put into that preparation

536
00:24:42,878 --> 00:24:44,238
Speaker 3: for that game yesterday.

537
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Speaker 2: And Joe, I know you can relate to this.

538
00:24:46,318 --> 00:24:50,358
Speaker 1: He got his first head coaching job in Denver when

539
00:24:50,398 --> 00:24:55,038
Speaker 1: he was sixty years old. That's the fourth oldest first

540
00:24:55,038 --> 00:24:57,518
Speaker 1: time head coach in NFL history.

541
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Speaker 4: And would have succeeded better with a quarterback.

542
00:25:00,078 --> 00:25:01,998
Speaker 3: I mean, it was at that point where things were

543
00:25:02,038 --> 00:25:06,838
Speaker 3: going the other way under center in Denver. And yeah,

544
00:25:07,318 --> 00:25:10,758
Speaker 3: I don't probably consider too old to get another opportunity

545
00:25:10,838 --> 00:25:13,198
Speaker 3: right now, just the way the world works. Although Pete

546
00:25:13,238 --> 00:25:18,118
Speaker 3: Carroll just got his another opportunity post seventy.

547
00:25:17,878 --> 00:25:19,958
Speaker 4: So I was thinking about that though.

548
00:25:19,998 --> 00:25:22,398
Speaker 3: I would almost believe that fix and say, you know what,

549
00:25:22,478 --> 00:25:27,718
Speaker 3: I'm good with this. I'm good with this situation in Pennsylvania.

550
00:25:27,758 --> 00:25:30,278
Speaker 3: Guy like about two hours, a little over two hour

551
00:25:30,358 --> 00:25:32,758
Speaker 3: drive from Philly back to home, up and done. More So,

552
00:25:32,758 --> 00:25:34,918
Speaker 3: why wouldn't I stay and do something like this. I'm

553
00:25:34,958 --> 00:25:38,358
Speaker 3: respected here, but what I do is really is respected

554
00:25:38,398 --> 00:25:41,518
Speaker 3: and sought and rewarded. I'm sure he's gonna get rewarded

555
00:25:41,558 --> 00:25:44,358
Speaker 3: for all this too, So I would bet that he is.

556
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Speaker 4: My first job was at fifty one.

557
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Speaker 3: I didn't get to but I got to the copies

558
00:25:49,278 --> 00:25:51,598
Speaker 3: right around that, sixty one, sixty two something like that.

559
00:25:51,718 --> 00:25:54,478
Speaker 3: But I just think that he's probably going to stay put.

560
00:25:54,878 --> 00:25:56,638
Speaker 3: I have to believe that it's a pretty good gig

561
00:25:56,638 --> 00:25:58,958
Speaker 3: he's got going on right now. And like I said,

562
00:25:59,398 --> 00:26:01,798
Speaker 3: he's in the he's back in the homeland, and so

563
00:26:02,398 --> 00:26:04,518
Speaker 3: just nothing but great things from in the future, hopefully.

564
00:26:04,638 --> 00:26:04,918
Speaker 2: Yeah.

565
00:26:04,958 --> 00:26:07,878
Speaker 1: He had been with the Dolphins right as a defensive

566
00:26:07,878 --> 00:26:10,678
Speaker 1: coordinator and there was some complaints there that he actually ran.

567
00:26:10,518 --> 00:26:13,438
Speaker 2: Them too hard. Right now, so good, how about that?

568
00:26:13,438 --> 00:26:15,878
Speaker 3: That's so good Pennsylvania football. I mean, you don't talk

569
00:26:15,918 --> 00:26:18,998
Speaker 3: about too hard. I mean, come on, I mean, that's

570
00:26:19,278 --> 00:26:21,438
Speaker 3: that's it. I get such a kickout of this stuff. Man,

571
00:26:21,838 --> 00:26:23,918
Speaker 3: I get such a kickout of this. I wasn't subject

572
00:26:23,958 --> 00:26:27,398
Speaker 3: to this, but the year after ago leave the Hazelton

573
00:26:27,438 --> 00:26:29,758
Speaker 3: Akote Loft. Yet that year the team wasn't that good.

574
00:26:29,758 --> 00:26:32,998
Speaker 3: I'm not patting myself on the back, but Adam Siminski

575
00:26:33,078 --> 00:26:35,358
Speaker 3: used to make these guys run the slate banks after

576
00:26:35,398 --> 00:26:38,398
Speaker 3: a Friday night loss Saturday morning, they got their full

577
00:26:38,398 --> 00:26:41,198
Speaker 3: gear on their running through like these woods to the

578
00:26:41,278 --> 00:26:44,678
Speaker 3: slate banks. Pretty much what is that would be north

579
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Speaker 3: of twenty second Street field and the guys that have

580
00:26:47,358 --> 00:26:50,118
Speaker 3: to run up and down the slate banks has punishment

581
00:26:50,478 --> 00:26:53,878
Speaker 3: for losing the night before or the time we're running gassers.

582
00:26:54,078 --> 00:26:56,238
Speaker 3: We're running one hundred and fifty to one hundred and

583
00:26:56,238 --> 00:27:01,158
Speaker 3: seventy five yard gassers. After we lose gassers ten yards

584
00:27:01,158 --> 00:27:03,358
Speaker 3: and back twenty yards and back thirty yards and back.

585
00:27:04,438 --> 00:27:08,518
Speaker 3: I mean, so there was a definite fear of losing instilledness.

586
00:27:08,518 --> 00:27:10,398
Speaker 3: And of course, I mean people were gonna listen to

587
00:27:10,398 --> 00:27:12,798
Speaker 3: this and say how wrong it was. Okay, and maybe

588
00:27:12,878 --> 00:27:15,958
Speaker 3: not the absolute right way to do things, but playing

589
00:27:15,998 --> 00:27:20,798
Speaker 3: your brother, toughness is embedded in you and to quit.

590
00:27:21,198 --> 00:27:24,198
Speaker 3: If you ever had this chip on you that that

591
00:27:24,358 --> 00:27:26,358
Speaker 3: was a quitting kind of a chip, it's absolutely buried.

592
00:27:26,758 --> 00:27:31,638
Speaker 3: And that's that's the wonderful memories I have of that time.

593
00:27:31,678 --> 00:27:34,878
Speaker 3: So Pennsylvania football has always treated a little bit more differently.

594
00:27:35,078 --> 00:27:37,118
Speaker 2: How about those two days in August.

595
00:27:36,838 --> 00:27:39,038
Speaker 3: The worst and we were going up and down the

596
00:27:39,078 --> 00:27:42,118
Speaker 3: hill we had we had to start on eleventh Street

597
00:27:42,238 --> 00:27:43,998
Speaker 3: and go down to twenty second Street in the morning,

598
00:27:43,998 --> 00:27:47,518
Speaker 3: a severe hill that's been the morning in August. And

599
00:27:47,558 --> 00:27:50,078
Speaker 3: then at lunch time whatever that was, you'd have to

600
00:27:50,078 --> 00:27:52,518
Speaker 3: go back up the hill full gear. You go after

601
00:27:52,558 --> 00:27:55,718
Speaker 3: you take your two hour break, get be dressed whatever,

602
00:27:56,078 --> 00:27:58,278
Speaker 3: go back down the hill, and then at the end

603
00:27:58,278 --> 00:28:00,838
Speaker 3: of the day go back up the hill. I've seen

604
00:28:00,878 --> 00:28:03,118
Speaker 3: guys pass out and Adam putting them in the back

605
00:28:03,118 --> 00:28:05,358
Speaker 3: of his pick up truck on the way up the hill.

606
00:28:05,758 --> 00:28:07,798
Speaker 3: And the guy was big. Manford Ruda was kind of big.

607
00:28:07,838 --> 00:28:09,598
Speaker 3: It was like like two hundred and fifty three hundred

608
00:28:09,598 --> 00:28:11,958
Speaker 3: pounds big. And then I saw him with the eight.

609
00:28:11,998 --> 00:28:14,318
Speaker 3: If somebody else take Madford downstairs and just throw him

610
00:28:14,318 --> 00:28:15,958
Speaker 3: in a swimming pool, just throw him in there to

611
00:28:16,518 --> 00:28:19,438
Speaker 3: revive him. I mean, you know, stuff like this doesn't happen.

612
00:28:19,518 --> 00:28:22,038
Speaker 3: And our guys going up the hill. There was a

613
00:28:22,078 --> 00:28:25,998
Speaker 3: pond on seventeenth Street. Guys that's halfway they're going up

614
00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:28,878
Speaker 3: the hill. They stop and they start lapping water out

615
00:28:28,918 --> 00:28:32,118
Speaker 3: of the pond, like a pond like with fish and

616
00:28:32,238 --> 00:28:34,638
Speaker 3: dirty stuff in it. These guys ended up in the

617
00:28:34,678 --> 00:28:36,558
Speaker 3: hospital with some kind of bacteria infection.

618
00:28:37,038 --> 00:28:39,838
Speaker 4: That was all fall football guy.

619
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Speaker 2: Better for it.

620
00:28:40,638 --> 00:28:43,318
Speaker 3: I hated it and I loved it, So I think

621
00:28:43,358 --> 00:28:45,198
Speaker 3: so I'll make that argument.

622
00:28:45,998 --> 00:28:50,198
Speaker 1: My favoritestat going into this game, especially now, is Vic

623
00:28:50,278 --> 00:28:54,078
Speaker 1: Pangeo had gone up against Patrick Mahomes teams eight times

624
00:28:54,118 --> 00:28:57,198
Speaker 1: previously as a coordinator or head coach in Denver. Obviously

625
00:28:57,398 --> 00:28:59,998
Speaker 1: he was oh and eight, really oh and eight against

626
00:29:00,118 --> 00:29:03,998
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and he sawved the Rubik's Cube in the

627
00:29:03,998 --> 00:29:06,078
Speaker 1: biggest game, Super Bowl fifty nine.

628
00:29:06,198 --> 00:29:07,798
Speaker 2: How good must that feel?

629
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Speaker 4: Did he talk about? I mean, I did he get

630
00:29:09,518 --> 00:29:09,758
Speaker 4: to see?

631
00:29:10,078 --> 00:29:10,278
Speaker 2: No?

632
00:29:10,878 --> 00:29:12,918
Speaker 1: No, I mean he talked about I'm not sure about

633
00:29:12,958 --> 00:29:15,358
Speaker 1: the record, but he did talk about just the difficulty

634
00:29:15,918 --> 00:29:18,758
Speaker 1: of going up against Patrick Mahomes. He talked about how

635
00:29:19,358 --> 00:29:21,798
Speaker 1: you know he's so good he normally is, and that's

636
00:29:21,838 --> 00:29:24,478
Speaker 1: what blew me away with his Super Bowl He doesn't

637
00:29:24,558 --> 00:29:27,478
Speaker 1: make bad decisions. He had a couple of poor throws,

638
00:29:27,678 --> 00:29:30,758
Speaker 1: poor decisions, didn't protect the football, which he normally does

639
00:29:30,798 --> 00:29:34,638
Speaker 1: really well. And just to me, his football brain as

640
00:29:34,678 --> 00:29:38,118
Speaker 1: a computer, he processes things so quickly and he just

641
00:29:38,358 --> 00:29:41,878
Speaker 1: wasn't really processing. And give credit to the Eagles for

642
00:29:41,958 --> 00:29:44,678
Speaker 1: the way they got him out of his game. But yeah,

643
00:29:44,758 --> 00:29:47,478
Speaker 1: I mean, Vic did talk about he needed to solve

644
00:29:47,638 --> 00:29:50,318
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes because whatever he did in the past did

645
00:29:50,358 --> 00:29:50,918
Speaker 1: not work.

646
00:29:51,398 --> 00:29:52,558
Speaker 2: Boy, he solved it well.

647
00:29:52,558 --> 00:29:53,518
Speaker 4: They stayed in their lanes.

648
00:29:53,558 --> 00:29:56,638
Speaker 3: I mean, watching those defensive linemen come in, they were

649
00:29:56,758 --> 00:29:58,398
Speaker 3: very disciplined. I think that had to be a big

650
00:29:58,438 --> 00:30:04,118
Speaker 3: part of the talking talking points before they played regarding Homes.

651
00:30:04,158 --> 00:30:05,918
Speaker 3: He had no time to think. There was no there

652
00:30:05,958 --> 00:30:08,118
Speaker 3: was not even time to react. I mean, the pressure

653
00:30:08,118 --> 00:30:11,038
Speaker 3: on it was that absolute, and even you could see

654
00:30:11,038 --> 00:30:13,998
Speaker 3: the uncertainty of the throws, even when Hoskins dropped that

655
00:30:14,038 --> 00:30:16,038
Speaker 3: one ball. I mean, I can't believe that this guy's

656
00:30:16,078 --> 00:30:18,918
Speaker 3: got some of the best hands ever. They all had

657
00:30:18,918 --> 00:30:22,718
Speaker 3: a different look. They got smacked in them out fast, early, quick,

658
00:30:23,078 --> 00:30:25,318
Speaker 3: and they never recovered from it. That's not to say

659
00:30:25,318 --> 00:30:27,358
Speaker 3: that they played again next week, that Kansas City might

660
00:30:27,358 --> 00:30:28,358
Speaker 3: come back and beat him.

661
00:30:28,678 --> 00:30:30,998
Speaker 4: But for yesterday, from.

662
00:30:30,838 --> 00:30:34,158
Speaker 3: The moment that bell rang, the Eagles defense, to me

663
00:30:34,758 --> 00:30:36,838
Speaker 3: set the tone and in general, I mean, everybody looks

664
00:30:36,838 --> 00:30:39,238
Speaker 3: at the star power of the game, the quarterbacks, running backs,

665
00:30:39,438 --> 00:30:41,118
Speaker 3: but the Eagles line play for the last couple of

666
00:30:41,198 --> 00:30:45,198
Speaker 3: years has been outstanding offense and defense. Even with Kelsey

667
00:30:45,238 --> 00:30:47,998
Speaker 3: at center, they've still been able to maintain that and

668
00:30:48,038 --> 00:30:50,318
Speaker 3: that's really where games are won and lost in the NFL.

669
00:30:50,758 --> 00:30:53,798
Speaker 3: That line play is so vital, and so yesterday the

670
00:30:53,838 --> 00:30:57,038
Speaker 3: defensive line of the Eagles really pretty much I thought,

671
00:30:57,078 --> 00:30:58,518
Speaker 3: dominated and won that game for them.

672
00:30:58,798 --> 00:30:59,838
Speaker 2: That's a great point, Joe.

673
00:30:59,878 --> 00:31:01,918
Speaker 1: I think that at the line of scrimmage, especially when

674
00:31:01,918 --> 00:31:05,558
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles were on defense, they dominated and that's

675
00:31:05,558 --> 00:31:06,478
Speaker 1: where they won the game.

676
00:31:06,798 --> 00:31:09,638
Speaker 2: So congrats to the Eagles. That is well deserved.

677
00:31:09,678 --> 00:31:11,798
Speaker 1: I mean, ever since the bye week early in the season,

678
00:31:11,878 --> 00:31:15,638
Speaker 1: that team just played spectacular football. And once again, I

679
00:31:15,678 --> 00:31:19,118
Speaker 1: give credit to players you start there, but don't overlook

680
00:31:19,518 --> 00:31:22,398
Speaker 1: the coaching and the journey of those coaches. We're going

681
00:31:22,478 --> 00:31:24,438
Speaker 1: to take a quick break on the Book of Joe

682
00:31:24,518 --> 00:31:27,438
Speaker 1: and we'll squeeze in a little baseball here and tell

683
00:31:27,438 --> 00:31:29,918
Speaker 1: you what happened last week in the courtroom that involved

684
00:31:30,038 --> 00:31:45,118
Speaker 1: show He Otani. Do that right after this, Welcome back

685
00:31:45,158 --> 00:31:46,078
Speaker 1: to the Book of Joe.

686
00:31:46,478 --> 00:31:46,758
Speaker 2: Joe.

687
00:31:46,838 --> 00:31:51,838
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you caught this sentencing for Ipe Muzuhata,

688
00:31:52,078 --> 00:31:56,478
Speaker 1: the interpreter for sho Hee Otani. He's convicted of defrauding Otani.

689
00:31:57,478 --> 00:32:00,558
Speaker 1: He had sentenced to fifty seven months in prison. At

690
00:32:00,598 --> 00:32:03,518
Speaker 1: his sentencing hearing in Orange County last week. What was

691
00:32:03,558 --> 00:32:06,678
Speaker 1: interesting thing was he had sent a sentencing letter to

692
00:32:06,718 --> 00:32:09,518
Speaker 1: the judge, which is certainly his right to do so,

693
00:32:10,878 --> 00:32:13,358
Speaker 1: but actually blew up against him. The judge used that

694
00:32:13,438 --> 00:32:15,958
Speaker 1: against him. He didn't think there was enough contrition or

695
00:32:16,038 --> 00:32:20,198
Speaker 1: honesty in his statements to the judge. So he has

696
00:32:20,238 --> 00:32:22,358
Speaker 1: to I'm not sure he has this, but he has

697
00:32:22,398 --> 00:32:25,318
Speaker 1: to pay back eighteen million dollars. Seventeen of that goes

698
00:32:25,358 --> 00:32:29,598
Speaker 1: to Otani. The other million is restitution to the irs,

699
00:32:29,838 --> 00:32:33,598
Speaker 1: so he had. Mizuhata had asked for an eighteen month sentence,

700
00:32:34,198 --> 00:32:36,758
Speaker 1: and the prosecutors asked for the fifty seven months, and

701
00:32:36,798 --> 00:32:39,438
Speaker 1: they got all fifty seven months. What does that tell

702
00:32:39,438 --> 00:32:41,918
Speaker 1: you about the way the judge looked at this case?

703
00:32:42,478 --> 00:32:45,438
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, God, I'm so torn by all of this.

704
00:32:46,078 --> 00:32:48,078
Speaker 3: You know, we've talked about this when it occurred. I

705
00:32:48,158 --> 00:32:52,478
Speaker 3: worked with both of these guys daily, so many conversations

706
00:32:52,478 --> 00:32:54,798
Speaker 3: with each one of them daily. Epei was the guy

707
00:32:54,838 --> 00:32:56,638
Speaker 3: that would text every day or we talk to every

708
00:32:56,678 --> 00:32:58,838
Speaker 3: day in order to set up the schedule for the

709
00:32:58,878 --> 00:33:01,158
Speaker 3: next day. And when this all broke, I mean, it

710
00:33:01,158 --> 00:33:04,598
Speaker 3: was just like absolutely so hard to understand and believe

711
00:33:05,158 --> 00:33:07,958
Speaker 3: just based on watching the interaction between these two guys

712
00:33:08,598 --> 00:33:11,518
Speaker 3: going into it, and here comes this letter. I was

713
00:33:11,638 --> 00:33:13,358
Speaker 3: I didn't even wasn't even aware of that. He brought

714
00:33:13,358 --> 00:33:16,038
Speaker 3: it up to flip from the sentence that he had

715
00:33:16,038 --> 00:33:18,318
Speaker 3: asked for to the most difficult one that there was.

716
00:33:18,558 --> 00:33:20,878
Speaker 3: There has to be, I don't know, there's got to

717
00:33:20,878 --> 00:33:23,358
Speaker 3: be something more deeply to it that we don't even

718
00:33:23,398 --> 00:33:24,478
Speaker 3: know about.

719
00:33:23,878 --> 00:33:26,638
Speaker 4: I don't know. I feel for him, it's wrong what

720
00:33:26,678 --> 00:33:27,038
Speaker 4: he did.

721
00:33:27,198 --> 00:33:30,478
Speaker 3: Obviously knowing Show hey, I would almost bet shoe he

722
00:33:30,558 --> 00:33:32,358
Speaker 3: forgives him, or he's going to forgive him.

723
00:33:32,358 --> 00:33:32,798
Speaker 4: I know that.

724
00:33:32,918 --> 00:33:35,438
Speaker 3: I just feel that that's just the kind of person

725
00:33:35,478 --> 00:33:37,718
Speaker 3: that he is. You know, Show is never going to

726
00:33:37,758 --> 00:33:39,998
Speaker 3: be hurting for money. That's a large sum. It's a

727
00:33:40,038 --> 00:33:41,838
Speaker 3: real large sum. And there's no way, like you're saying,

728
00:33:41,878 --> 00:33:44,878
Speaker 3: epay ever, going to get an opportunity to pay that back.

729
00:33:44,998 --> 00:33:45,198
Speaker 4: Never.

730
00:33:45,838 --> 00:33:49,318
Speaker 3: But I just I wanting him to get through this.

731
00:33:49,918 --> 00:33:52,038
Speaker 3: Hopefully he's going to be contrite about the whole thing,

732
00:33:52,038 --> 00:33:54,638
Speaker 3: had come out a better person on the other side.

733
00:33:54,678 --> 00:33:58,438
Speaker 3: But again from my perspective being part of this group

734
00:33:58,518 --> 00:34:01,158
Speaker 3: at that time, it's just so hard to believe it

735
00:34:01,198 --> 00:34:02,038
Speaker 3: devolved into.

736
00:34:01,878 --> 00:34:03,118
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I'm with you.

737
00:34:03,198 --> 00:34:06,078
Speaker 1: I don't know Epay as well as you, being around

738
00:34:06,158 --> 00:34:08,198
Speaker 1: him more than I, but it'd been around him enough

739
00:34:08,198 --> 00:34:10,518
Speaker 1: and the whole thing blew me away, just shocked at

740
00:34:10,558 --> 00:34:13,278
Speaker 1: it the level that it did reach. Now, in the

741
00:34:13,318 --> 00:34:16,038
Speaker 1: sentencing letter, Epay did mention, in his words, he was

742
00:34:16,078 --> 00:34:21,038
Speaker 1: severely underpaid by Otani and was living paycheck to paycheck

743
00:34:21,278 --> 00:34:25,238
Speaker 1: and then obviously in his words, he had a gambling addiction. Well,

744
00:34:25,558 --> 00:34:28,158
Speaker 1: the judge was like, wait a second, I'm not really

745
00:34:28,198 --> 00:34:34,198
Speaker 1: buying that, because, according to the judge, Otani paid Epay's rent,

746
00:34:34,358 --> 00:34:37,998
Speaker 1: he tipped them regularly in five figure amounts, gave him

747
00:34:38,038 --> 00:34:40,438
Speaker 1: a Porsche, and he paid for him and his wife

748
00:34:40,478 --> 00:34:42,918
Speaker 1: to fly around the world. So the judge was like,

749
00:34:42,918 --> 00:34:44,518
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about here, and he

750
00:34:44,558 --> 00:34:47,478
Speaker 1: saw that as a lack of contrition and honesty, and

751
00:34:47,518 --> 00:34:51,118
Speaker 1: that's why essentially he gave him exactly what the prosecutors

752
00:34:51,158 --> 00:34:51,478
Speaker 1: asked for.

753
00:34:51,558 --> 00:34:52,798
Speaker 2: You don't see that that often.

754
00:34:53,238 --> 00:34:56,878
Speaker 3: Well that that kind of makes sense now that you're

755
00:34:56,878 --> 00:35:00,318
Speaker 3: telling me all of that. The amount of money that

756
00:35:00,358 --> 00:35:04,718
Speaker 3: you're talking about there is actually very large, and who knows,

757
00:35:04,718 --> 00:35:07,238
Speaker 3: I mean, Epay may have just he was in he

758
00:35:07,358 --> 00:35:10,038
Speaker 3: was wherever show he was, he pay was so like

759
00:35:10,078 --> 00:35:13,558
Speaker 3: he's the center of the baseball universe himself, and nothing

760
00:35:13,638 --> 00:35:16,438
Speaker 3: really got transmitted until it went through epay and it

761
00:35:16,478 --> 00:35:18,758
Speaker 3: came out of his mouth. And so maybe he's kind

762
00:35:18,758 --> 00:35:21,038
Speaker 3: of got a little bit over impressed with himself, or

763
00:35:21,078 --> 00:35:25,398
Speaker 3: somebody started, you know, posing the question, maybe even his wife,

764
00:35:25,438 --> 00:35:27,158
Speaker 3: like he should be taking.

765
00:35:26,958 --> 00:35:27,478
Speaker 4: Better care of you.

766
00:35:27,518 --> 00:35:30,958
Speaker 3: Who knows how this all arrived at this particular juncture,

767
00:35:30,998 --> 00:35:34,358
Speaker 3: but I did not know what you did the letter

768
00:35:34,358 --> 00:35:37,958
Speaker 3: and what the contents were. But I mean, based on

769
00:35:38,478 --> 00:35:41,158
Speaker 3: a lot of young people are paid, and especially he's

770
00:35:41,198 --> 00:35:44,718
Speaker 3: an interpreter in that situation and the life that he led,

771
00:35:44,798 --> 00:35:47,438
Speaker 3: you know, just the travel that he was afforded, all

772
00:35:47,438 --> 00:35:50,478
Speaker 3: that stuff. Yeah, I could see where the judge mighty

773
00:35:50,518 --> 00:35:51,758
Speaker 3: a little bit upset about that.

774
00:35:51,758 --> 00:35:53,038
Speaker 4: That that kind of makes some sense.

775
00:35:53,398 --> 00:35:55,678
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Joe, your take on what we might expect

776
00:35:55,718 --> 00:35:58,718
Speaker 1: from Showhy this year. We know that he will not

777
00:35:58,838 --> 00:36:01,958
Speaker 1: be pitching probably until May. The Dodgers are going to

778
00:36:01,998 --> 00:36:05,198
Speaker 1: slow play him anyway. And then he had the surgery

779
00:36:05,358 --> 00:36:09,038
Speaker 1: on his non throwing shoulder, the surgery after he popped

780
00:36:09,038 --> 00:36:12,158
Speaker 1: his shoulder in the World Series, which had to kind

781
00:36:12,158 --> 00:36:14,958
Speaker 1: of put his rehab in terms of pitching on hold

782
00:36:14,998 --> 00:36:16,558
Speaker 1: for a bit. So he's a little bit behind. But

783
00:36:17,398 --> 00:36:20,158
Speaker 1: let's assume show he is back on the mound in May.

784
00:36:20,598 --> 00:36:21,398
Speaker 2: What do you expect.

785
00:36:21,438 --> 00:36:24,238
Speaker 1: I mean, this is his second procedure on his right elbow.

786
00:36:24,518 --> 00:36:27,198
Speaker 1: Everything seems to be progressing well. Do you think he

787
00:36:27,238 --> 00:36:28,518
Speaker 1: can go back to being the same show?

788
00:36:28,558 --> 00:36:29,598
Speaker 2: Hey? I do?

789
00:36:29,718 --> 00:36:32,238
Speaker 3: I mean, if everything's progressing well and the health is

790
00:36:32,278 --> 00:36:34,598
Speaker 3: showing up again, I don't think he's going to go

791
00:36:34,598 --> 00:36:38,998
Speaker 3: out through with any mental adhesions like holding back. He's

792
00:36:39,038 --> 00:36:41,558
Speaker 3: proven himself he can't. He can't come back from the surgery.

793
00:36:41,558 --> 00:36:45,238
Speaker 3: And I'd almost believe if he's probably thinking to himself,

794
00:36:45,238 --> 00:36:48,798
Speaker 3: if this happens again, okay, I'll just become a position player.

795
00:36:48,838 --> 00:36:52,198
Speaker 3: He's already probably thought that all the way through, knowing

796
00:36:52,238 --> 00:36:55,198
Speaker 3: that he can be that. And furthermore, I mean, obviously

797
00:36:55,998 --> 00:36:57,958
Speaker 3: can't get paid more than he's been paid. So if

798
00:36:57,958 --> 00:37:03,278
Speaker 3: there's any kind of concerns about his future regarding financial security,

799
00:37:03,278 --> 00:37:06,838
Speaker 3: that's always been solved performance wise this year, they're going

800
00:37:06,878 --> 00:37:10,278
Speaker 3: to take very good care of him pitching wise. It's

801
00:37:10,318 --> 00:37:12,958
Speaker 3: like the once a week schedule. I'm sure they already

802
00:37:12,998 --> 00:37:15,958
Speaker 3: have an innings limit in mind, and part of that's

803
00:37:15,998 --> 00:37:17,398
Speaker 3: going to be the fact that he's going to be

804
00:37:17,398 --> 00:37:21,278
Speaker 3: able to perform in the postseason, because they can almost surely,

805
00:37:21,398 --> 00:37:23,078
Speaker 3: you know, work towards that and knowing that they're going

806
00:37:23,118 --> 00:37:25,438
Speaker 3: to be in the postseason. So for me, in a

807
00:37:25,478 --> 00:37:27,758
Speaker 3: situation like that, you work backward. You look at the

808
00:37:27,838 --> 00:37:30,358
Speaker 3: last World Series game and where you think he's going

809
00:37:30,398 --> 00:37:32,838
Speaker 3: to be standing, and you move the schedule back, and

810
00:37:32,878 --> 00:37:35,398
Speaker 3: that's when you start building up his innings and you

811
00:37:35,398 --> 00:37:37,838
Speaker 3: can really map it out almost like a rehab assignment

812
00:37:37,878 --> 00:37:39,958
Speaker 3: all the way through the World Series. I would bet

813
00:37:39,998 --> 00:37:42,958
Speaker 3: that's going to be part of the outlay of Fansively speaking,

814
00:37:42,998 --> 00:37:45,878
Speaker 3: they may be a little bit more cautious, you know,

815
00:37:45,958 --> 00:37:46,958
Speaker 3: with him playing.

816
00:37:46,958 --> 00:37:47,918
Speaker 4: Maybe the day after.

817
00:37:47,758 --> 00:37:49,718
Speaker 3: He pitches or the day before he pitches, something like

818
00:37:49,758 --> 00:37:52,998
Speaker 3: that may pop up a little bit too, But overall,

819
00:37:52,998 --> 00:37:54,758
Speaker 3: I think you know he'll throw the ball well again.

820
00:37:54,998 --> 00:37:57,558
Speaker 3: Is the one thing that can be impacted, quite frankly,

821
00:37:57,678 --> 00:37:59,838
Speaker 3: might be his command. I know, coming off the last

822
00:37:59,838 --> 00:38:02,638
Speaker 3: time when I first saw him, command wasn't good. And

823
00:38:02,678 --> 00:38:04,198
Speaker 3: then when he really got well in health, elp a

824
00:38:04,198 --> 00:38:07,918
Speaker 3: sudden wow, fastball started going where he wanted to. Once

825
00:38:07,958 --> 00:38:10,478
Speaker 3: fastball started going where he wanted to, then everything else

826
00:38:10,518 --> 00:38:12,758
Speaker 3: took off from that. I keep an eye on his

827
00:38:12,798 --> 00:38:15,518
Speaker 3: command coming out of this whole thing, but i'd work

828
00:38:15,518 --> 00:38:17,638
Speaker 3: it backwards as a pitcher from the last game of

829
00:38:17,678 --> 00:38:20,038
Speaker 3: the series two when you want to start his clock.

830
00:38:20,518 --> 00:38:22,638
Speaker 3: And like I said, the position player wise, they have

831
00:38:22,798 --> 00:38:24,998
Speaker 3: enough other guys. I think they might be a little

832
00:38:24,998 --> 00:38:26,598
Speaker 3: bit more conservative, and I don't think you're going to

833
00:38:26,638 --> 00:38:29,558
Speaker 3: skim run nearly as often as you did last year.

834
00:38:29,878 --> 00:38:32,078
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not stealing fifty bases, we know that.

835
00:38:33,078 --> 00:38:35,558
Speaker 1: I think he's I think his is putting a lot

836
00:38:35,558 --> 00:38:37,158
Speaker 1: on him, but he's showing you o Tani. I think

837
00:38:37,158 --> 00:38:39,838
Speaker 1: he's getting back to where he was pretty darn quickly.

838
00:38:39,918 --> 00:38:41,798
Speaker 2: Joe. I mean, you know how hard of a worker

839
00:38:41,838 --> 00:38:42,238
Speaker 2: he is.

840
00:38:42,558 --> 00:38:46,198
Speaker 1: He's so process oriented, and you know the history I

841
00:38:46,198 --> 00:38:49,118
Speaker 1: have seen with these Tommy John surgeries. His actually wasn't

842
00:38:49,158 --> 00:38:52,158
Speaker 1: specifically Tommy John, but it's similar procedure. Those guys who

843
00:38:52,158 --> 00:38:54,718
Speaker 1: are most dedicated to the rehab, which is very boring

844
00:38:54,998 --> 00:38:57,838
Speaker 1: and tedious, are those are the guys who come back

845
00:38:57,838 --> 00:38:59,638
Speaker 1: better than ever, or at least get back to the

846
00:38:59,678 --> 00:39:00,238
Speaker 1: same level.

847
00:39:00,398 --> 00:39:01,558
Speaker 2: And you know, shoe.

848
00:39:01,598 --> 00:39:04,238
Speaker 1: He wants to be the best player in the world world.

849
00:39:04,278 --> 00:39:08,478
Speaker 1: He wants to do everything at an absolute elite level.

850
00:39:08,758 --> 00:39:10,918
Speaker 1: And I think we tend to forget what a dominating

851
00:39:10,998 --> 00:39:13,718
Speaker 1: pitcher he was before this surgery. And you're right, I

852
00:39:13,718 --> 00:39:15,718
Speaker 1: think I don't think anybody on the Dodger staff is

853
00:39:15,718 --> 00:39:18,078
Speaker 1: going to throw more than say, one hundred and thirty innings.

854
00:39:18,118 --> 00:39:20,918
Speaker 1: Nobody They're gonna use a six man rotation extra days.

855
00:39:21,718 --> 00:39:23,638
Speaker 1: They have a lot of pictures with injury histories they

856
00:39:23,638 --> 00:39:26,958
Speaker 1: have to be careful with anyway. So I do think

857
00:39:26,998 --> 00:39:29,158
Speaker 1: he by the end of the season, especially, I like

858
00:39:29,198 --> 00:39:30,278
Speaker 1: your point about his command.

859
00:39:30,318 --> 00:39:31,358
Speaker 2: I think he is dominant.

860
00:39:31,358 --> 00:39:38,758
Speaker 1: And if you give me snell Sasaki Tawi, Glasnew, I mean,

861
00:39:39,518 --> 00:39:41,838
Speaker 1: who's beating that team? They throw out a number one

862
00:39:41,878 --> 00:39:44,318
Speaker 1: starter every day in a postseason series.

863
00:39:44,238 --> 00:39:47,158
Speaker 3: Plus they've dog been at their bullpen two And the

864
00:39:47,238 --> 00:39:50,998
Speaker 3: thing is that they got like the Kansas City Chiefs, Chip,

865
00:39:51,038 --> 00:39:54,078
Speaker 3: I mean, they got players that are able to and

866
00:39:54,118 --> 00:39:56,278
Speaker 3: willing two and one two win on an annual basis.

867
00:39:56,278 --> 00:39:59,038
Speaker 3: Even though the Chiefs didn't pull off three getting for

868
00:39:59,078 --> 00:40:01,238
Speaker 3: three in a row to the final, we did three

869
00:40:01,758 --> 00:40:04,278
Speaker 3: nlcs's with the Cubs. While I was there fifteen, sixteen,

870
00:40:04,318 --> 00:40:07,318
Speaker 3: and seventeen, and I thought that was a pretty good achievement.

871
00:40:07,358 --> 00:40:09,918
Speaker 3: But get to the World Series three years in a

872
00:40:09,958 --> 00:40:11,718
Speaker 3: row or get to the Super Bowl three years in

873
00:40:11,758 --> 00:40:13,838
Speaker 3: a row not an easy thing to do.

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00:40:13,878 --> 00:40:16,078
Speaker 4: You definitely have to have the right group.

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00:40:16,078 --> 00:40:18,398
Speaker 3: We talked about the Yankees in the past, to go

876
00:40:18,478 --> 00:40:21,438
Speaker 3: back to the seventies, oaklan A's or even the Cincinnati

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00:40:21,478 --> 00:40:24,878
Speaker 3: Reads those groups, there's got to be a dynamic group

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00:40:25,238 --> 00:40:28,158
Speaker 3: of players that really not only are good, but they're

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00:40:28,198 --> 00:40:31,998
Speaker 3: convicted to winning their level all level five guys, probably

880
00:40:31,998 --> 00:40:35,838
Speaker 3: big egos, probably charismatic, and hate to lose. I mean,

881
00:40:35,838 --> 00:40:38,438
Speaker 3: these are the kind of things that you have to have.

882
00:40:39,158 --> 00:40:42,038
Speaker 3: Were first time I was first time passion. You got

883
00:40:42,038 --> 00:40:45,158
Speaker 3: to somehow trick your body and mind into feeling that

884
00:40:45,198 --> 00:40:48,078
Speaker 3: on an annual basis. After you've been so successful and

885
00:40:48,078 --> 00:40:49,958
Speaker 3: you've done the victory lapse and everybody's telling you how

886
00:40:49,998 --> 00:40:52,038
Speaker 3: great you are, you got to go back to camp

887
00:40:52,118 --> 00:40:54,478
Speaker 3: next year and just act as though it never happened

888
00:40:54,478 --> 00:40:56,558
Speaker 3: and you're doing it for the first time all over again.

889
00:40:56,958 --> 00:40:59,558
Speaker 3: Those are the kind of players and personalities that are

890
00:40:59,598 --> 00:41:02,038
Speaker 3: able to repeat starts with Like an Andy Reid, you

891
00:41:02,038 --> 00:41:05,078
Speaker 3: can see it on the sidelines or Belichick example, So

892
00:41:05,678 --> 00:41:09,838
Speaker 3: that's I think they have that capabilities the Dodgers do,

893
00:41:10,078 --> 00:41:12,798
Speaker 3: So you're you're probably right about that last pointing. Again,

894
00:41:12,958 --> 00:41:16,518
Speaker 3: I'm always concerned about command, like when Show Hey, when

895
00:41:16,518 --> 00:41:18,038
Speaker 3: I saw him, like I said, when I first got

896
00:41:18,078 --> 00:41:20,398
Speaker 3: their man, who's bouncing his fastball a lot, was really

897
00:41:20,438 --> 00:41:22,998
Speaker 3: not very confident with his pitching. And then eventually the

898
00:41:23,038 --> 00:41:25,198
Speaker 3: next season came back and was just like, who.

899
00:41:25,078 --> 00:41:26,918
Speaker 4: Is this guy? It was just it was dotting it up.

900
00:41:27,198 --> 00:41:30,758
Speaker 3: So let's let's just watch fastball command and try to

901
00:41:30,798 --> 00:41:31,678
Speaker 3: figure it out after that.

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00:41:31,958 --> 00:41:35,758
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I should mention also as well Yoshinobu Yamamoto,

903
00:41:36,078 --> 00:41:38,398
Speaker 1: who I think is going to be even better with

904
00:41:38,518 --> 00:41:41,878
Speaker 1: his second year in MLB and he was really good

905
00:41:41,958 --> 00:41:42,398
Speaker 1: by the end.

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00:41:42,278 --> 00:41:42,998
Speaker 2: Of last season.

907
00:41:43,118 --> 00:41:46,278
Speaker 1: So all eyes on the Dodgers as camps open up

908
00:41:46,318 --> 00:41:48,758
Speaker 1: this week, Joe, how about that camp's opening up. The

909
00:41:48,838 --> 00:41:51,118
Speaker 1: Dodgers are just that they're the it team, right, They're

910
00:41:51,158 --> 00:41:53,678
Speaker 1: like the Yankees of the late nineties, loaded with stars

911
00:41:53,718 --> 00:41:58,918
Speaker 1: everywhere they go. There are stories abounding with the LA Dodgers.

912
00:41:58,998 --> 00:42:02,278
Speaker 1: The definitely I would think the team to beat, just

913
00:42:02,278 --> 00:42:06,678
Speaker 1: because they're defending champions, but they're absolutely loaded. So Joe,

914
00:42:06,678 --> 00:42:08,718
Speaker 1: we've reached the ninth inning here. You always bring us

915
00:42:08,718 --> 00:42:11,358
Speaker 1: home with some words of wisdom. What do you have

916
00:42:11,478 --> 00:42:16,518
Speaker 1: today with our Eagles as Super Bowl fifty nine champions?

917
00:42:16,958 --> 00:42:17,158
Speaker 4: Yeah?

918
00:42:17,278 --> 00:42:20,198
Speaker 3: I was actually had that in mind, and it stirred

919
00:42:20,238 --> 00:42:20,718
Speaker 3: me towards this.

920
00:42:20,798 --> 00:42:22,758
Speaker 4: I was was looking for conviction, That's what I was

921
00:42:22,758 --> 00:42:23,318
Speaker 4: looking for.

922
00:42:23,878 --> 00:42:27,918
Speaker 3: And Gerta Johann Wolfkean gang bon Gerte, who has some

923
00:42:27,958 --> 00:42:30,518
Speaker 3: really good stuff if you look up his quotes, and

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00:42:30,558 --> 00:42:32,638
Speaker 3: I thought this was really pertinent. It actually applies to

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00:42:32,718 --> 00:42:35,398
Speaker 3: vic and I think you and I too. I will

926
00:42:35,438 --> 00:42:38,678
Speaker 3: listen to anyone's convictions, but keep your doubts to yourself.

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00:42:39,078 --> 00:42:41,918
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the conviction of the way the Eagles

928
00:42:41,918 --> 00:42:44,118
Speaker 3: played that game. They didn't care, they didn't care what

929
00:42:44,118 --> 00:42:46,718
Speaker 3: everybody's saying about the Chiefs and how great there the

930
00:42:46,838 --> 00:42:48,718
Speaker 3: repeat and all this other stuff. And I even read

931
00:42:48,758 --> 00:42:52,158
Speaker 3: where people were concerned that pat Riley, I guess did

932
00:42:52,158 --> 00:42:54,398
Speaker 3: pat rally coined the phrase three peat?

933
00:42:54,478 --> 00:42:57,118
Speaker 4: And then he did it? Yeah, okay, so think yous

934
00:42:57,158 --> 00:42:58,078
Speaker 4: have to get paid for that.

935
00:42:59,318 --> 00:43:03,558
Speaker 3: But I was really I saw such conviction again, Eagles

936
00:43:03,598 --> 00:43:06,038
Speaker 3: in general, hurst played a great game they all played wonderfully.

937
00:43:06,278 --> 00:43:11,998
Speaker 3: Wide receivers were good, but at defense really set the

938
00:43:12,078 --> 00:43:14,678
Speaker 3: tone for that game yesterday. So they're gonna listen to

939
00:43:14,678 --> 00:43:17,958
Speaker 3: anyone's convictions, but keep your doubts to yourself. We know,

940
00:43:18,358 --> 00:43:20,878
Speaker 3: we know we're going to do this, we know we

941
00:43:20,918 --> 00:43:22,598
Speaker 3: have the right game plan. We know if we punch

942
00:43:22,718 --> 00:43:25,438
Speaker 3: them in the face early, it's going to change. And

943
00:43:25,478 --> 00:43:28,958
Speaker 3: that's exactly what they did yesterday. So praise be to them.

944
00:43:28,998 --> 00:43:31,118
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's a great job on the Eagles

945
00:43:31,158 --> 00:43:34,318
Speaker 3: part now and again, personally, I'm very happy for coach Fangio.

946
00:43:34,718 --> 00:43:35,958
Speaker 2: Congrats to the Eagles.

947
00:43:36,118 --> 00:43:38,438
Speaker 1: And with the NFL season over, you know what that means,

948
00:43:38,518 --> 00:43:41,838
Speaker 1: time to break out the baseballs and the bats. Joe

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00:43:41,918 --> 00:43:44,438
Speaker 1: Spring Training welcome.

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00:43:44,278 --> 00:43:49,038
Speaker 3: And the Also the tailor made TP five's I've kind

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Speaker 3: of the high visibility TP five just in case you're

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Speaker 3: getting the rough really help.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, great job. We'll see you next time on

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Speaker 1: the Book of Joe.

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00:43:56,478 --> 00:43:57,718
Speaker 4: All right, brothers, see you later, man.

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