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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the

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Speaker 2: stories we're following today.

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Speaker 3: We begin with a tale of two tech giants this morning,

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Speaker 3: and we start with Amazon. The shares are surging eight

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Speaker 3: and a half percent in early trading. The company pulled

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Speaker 3: off a financial double play this earning season, generating strong

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Speaker 3: revenue growth while cutting spending. Punum Goyle is senior US

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Speaker 3: retail analyst for Bloomberg Intelligence.

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Speaker 4: If you think about the consumer and the consumer being

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Speaker 4: stretched today, trading down, looking for value, looking for convenience,

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Speaker 4: looking for speed, Amazon's getting those customers into its platform

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Speaker 4: to make the transactions, and I think that's where the

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Speaker 4: optimism is coming from. We saw in the quarter that

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Speaker 4: online sales group five percent, which was a well ahead

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Speaker 4: of expectations, and should that trend continue, the expectations for

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Speaker 4: their double digit gains makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Putem Goyle with Bloomberg Intelligence says Amazon's revenue increased eleven

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Speaker 3: percent to more than one hundred third four billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a different story at Apple this morning. Nathan

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Speaker 2: shares are down almost two percent after lower than anticipated

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Speaker 2: iPhone sales, and we get the details around Bloomberg's and

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Speaker 2: Ludlow in San Francisco.

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Speaker 5: Overall, the top lined Wrapple beat expectations, but it was

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Speaker 5: the third consecutive quarter where they saw year on year

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Speaker 5: sales declined. You have to go back to twenty sixteen

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Speaker 5: for the last time that happened, and particular weakness on iPhone,

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Speaker 5: which missed estimates in the fiscal third quarter. For Apple,

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Speaker 5: the story that Tim Cook painted was that the smartphone

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Speaker 5: market is still weak in the United States.

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Speaker 2: And Bloombergs had Ludlower fors Apple revenue slipped one point

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Speaker 2: four percent in the quarter.

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Speaker 3: As for some other stocks on the move this morning, Karen,

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Speaker 3: shares of draft Kings are up almost fourteen percent. The

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Speaker 3: online sportsbook posted sales that beat expectations. Shares of block

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Speaker 3: are down five percent. The payment company's July profit forecast

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Speaker 3: fell short for investors, and shares of Coinbase are up

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Speaker 3: about one percent. The Crypto Exchange reported a loss, but

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Speaker 3: it was less than expected, and revenue also beat estimates.

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Speaker 2: Well, Nathan, those are the market moves this morning, and

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Speaker 2: now we wait for the latest reading on US jobs.

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Speaker 2: The government issues payroll data for July this morning, and

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Speaker 2: economists predict a gain of around two hundred thousand. Bloomberg's

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Speaker 2: Michael McKee has more.

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Speaker 6: Will July be the month the labor market finally slows.

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Speaker 6: Fed officials have forecasts less hiring, more unemployment, and smaller

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Speaker 6: wage gains for some time, but the monthly data have

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Speaker 6: generally gone the other way. Economists see only a slight

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Speaker 6: drop in hiring for last month and no change in

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Speaker 6: the unemployment rate. Average hourly earnings gains, though slowing, are

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Speaker 6: still forecast to be rising at at unsustainable pace, and

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Speaker 6: inline forecast is likely to keep upward pressure on interest rates.

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Speaker 6: Weaker than expected numbers might bring some relief, although the

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Speaker 6: Fed doesn't meet again until late September. Michael McKee, Bloomberg.

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Speaker 3: Daybreak, Mike Thanks. The other major story in Washington comes

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Speaker 3: at a federal courthouse. That is where former President Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump entered a not guilty plea to charges he conspired

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Speaker 3: to obstruct the twenty election. After his brief court appearance,

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Speaker 3: the former president called it a sad day for America

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Speaker 3: when you look at what's happening.

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Speaker 7: This is a persecution of a political opponent. This was

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Speaker 7: never supposed to happen in America. This is the persecution

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Speaker 7: of the person that's leading by very very substantial numbers

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Speaker 7: in the Republican primary.

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Speaker 3: Former President Trump's next court data is set for August

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Speaker 3: twenty eighth. That's when the judge is expected to set

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Speaker 3: a trial date. Trump is not required to attend that hearing.

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Speaker 2: Well Nathan Reactions still pouring in following that indictment to

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Speaker 2: long a shot presidential contender and former Texas Congressman Will

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Speaker 2: Hurd says Trump is only running for president so he

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Speaker 2: can avoid jail time.

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Speaker 8: He's a bully, he's a liar, and he's only running

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Speaker 8: in order to stay out of prison. And what's even

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Speaker 8: crazier is that he is using, you know, hard working

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Speaker 8: Americans dollars to fund his illegal bills. Right, He's allegedly

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Speaker 8: a billionaire, but he can't pay his own legal bills.

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Speaker 2: And former Texas Congressman Will heard me the comments on

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg Sound on. Catch the program weekdays at one pm

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Speaker 3: Karen, there's also news on US China relations this morning,

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Speaker 3: this time involving spies. Two US sailors have been charged

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Speaker 3: with selling military secrets to China. Bloomberg's Nancy Lyons has

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Speaker 3: more from Washington.

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Speaker 9: Both men are Chinese born, naturalized US citizens, The Justice

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Speaker 9: Department says. One of them, twenty two year old Petty

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Speaker 9: Officer second Class Chin Chow Patrick Way, was arrested and

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Speaker 9: charged with espionage for passing images and locations for various

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Speaker 9: naval ships, as well as dozens of technical manuals. Randy

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Speaker 9: Grossman is the US Attorney for the Southern District of California.

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Speaker 10: Whether it was greed or for some other reason, Way

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Speaker 10: allegedly chose to turn his back on his newly adopted

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Speaker 9: The other sailor was charged with conspiracy and receipt of

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Speaker 9: a broad in Washington. Nancy Lyons Bloomberg Daybreak, All.

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Speaker 2: Right, Nancy, thank you well. Back on Wall Street. Another

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Speaker 2: corporate item to catch you up on. It looks like

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Speaker 2: the next chapter for Simon and Schuster reads like an

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Speaker 2: acquisition Bloomberg. Steve Rappaport joins us with the detail.

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Speaker 11: Steve, good morning, Karen and Nathan. It's not in the

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Speaker 11: books yet, but sources tell the Wall Street Journal private

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Speaker 11: equity firm kkar As in advanced talks to buy the

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Speaker 11: publisher for roughly one point sixty five billion dollars. It's

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Speaker 11: the second attempt by Paramount Global to offload Simon and Schuster.

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Speaker 11: A potential sale to rival Penguin Random House was blocked

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Speaker 11: by a federal judge. Simon and Schuster is nearly a

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Speaker 11: century old and rich in literary history, with legends like

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Speaker 11: Ernest Hemingway, f Scott Fitzgerald, and Stephen King gracing its pages.

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Speaker 3: In New York. Steve Rappaport Bloomberg Daybreak Time Now to

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Speaker 3: take a look at some of the other stories making

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Speaker 3: news in New York and around the world with Bloomberg's

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Speaker 3: John Tucker. Good Morning, John, Good.

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Speaker 12: Morning, Nathan Blong. Outland railroad service it could be delayed

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Speaker 12: this morning after a dear ralman in Queens yesterday. Thirteen

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Speaker 12: people were hurt. The injuries for minor. The incident involving

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Speaker 12: all eight of the train's car has occurred before at noon,

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Speaker 12: about a half a mile east of the Jamaica Train station.

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Speaker 12: The MTA investigating, but the incident has been ruled out

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Speaker 12: as speed as a factor in that derailment. The United

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Speaker 12: Auto Workers is asking car makers for a forty percent

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Speaker 12: pay increase. Let's get more in that story from Bloomberg's

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Speaker 12: Jeff Bellinger.

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Speaker 13: The request for forty percent pay increases over four years

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Speaker 13: is part of the uaw's opening proposal and contract discussions

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Speaker 13: with General Motors Ford Stilantis. The current labor pact expires

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Speaker 13: September fourteenth. Along with the raises, the UAW has also

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Speaker 13: said it wants cost of living allowances, improved pensions, and

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Speaker 13: largest ever to major corporations. General Motor says the company

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Speaker 13: plans to offer wage increases, but said the union is

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Speaker 13: asking too much. Jeff Bullinger, Bloomberg Daybreak.

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Speaker 12: Divided Federal Appeals Court is reinstated the Biden administration's rule

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Speaker 12: that limited asylum eligibility. The rule seeks to curb unlawful

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Speaker 12: entries into the US by presuming certain groups of unauthorized

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Speaker 12: migrants ineligible for asylum. Ten days into the coup in Niger,

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Speaker 12: US defense officials eight hundreds of American military personnel remained

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Speaker 12: stationed in the West African country. Pentagon spokesman Burgadier General

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Speaker 14: We're continuing to monitor the situation, which remains fluid and evolving,

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Speaker 12: Nigeria has been a key partner in the West fight

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Speaker 12: against Islamic extremists. Authorities in South Jersey still searching for

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Speaker 12: two people after a house explosion Thursday morning left to

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Speaker 12: The cause of the blast still unknown, but it was

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Speaker 12: other nearby holmes, and the unrelenting heat making an unwelcome

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Speaker 12: return to more parts of the nation. In Texas, Ramona

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Speaker 12: and monwey Iisen were found dead inside their home outside

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Speaker 12: Houston after their air conditioning failed. The great grandparents would

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Speaker 12: have been celebrating their fifty second anniversary this week. Global

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Speaker 12: News twenty four hours a day, powerplin more than twenty

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Speaker 12: seven hundred journalists and analysts in more than one hundred

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Speaker 12: twenty countries. I'm John Tucker. This is Bloomberg Nathan.

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Speaker 3: Thank you John. Time now for our Bloomberg Sports Updacod morning.

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Speaker 3: John Stashauer, Good morning, Nathan.

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Speaker 15: The Yankees able to do something they failed to do

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Speaker 15: in four attempts last fall in the American League Championship Series.

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Speaker 15: They beat the Astros at the Stadium. They got back

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Speaker 15: to back home runs with two outs in the first inning.

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Speaker 15: Don Carlos stands with a man on, then Billy McKenny

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Speaker 15: the game. Anthony Volpie's RBI single bottom of the six

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Speaker 15: They won without Anthony Rizzo. He's on the injured list

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Speaker 15: back in May. At that point, Rizzo was batting over

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Speaker 15: drunk in the clubhouse before Tuesday's game. Matts swept in

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Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg Daybreak. Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. Tech

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Speaker 3: earning season is wrapping up with mixed results from two

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Speaker 3: of the biggest names in the digital economy. Amazon delivered

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Speaker 3: a strong performance in its latest quarter, while Apple's third

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Speaker 3: quarterly revenue decline cut a little bit deeper than many

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Speaker 3: investors may have expected. Let's get some insights now from

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Speaker 3: outlook for how the digital economy could go from here.

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Speaker 3: Gene Munster is with us this morning, the managing partner

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Speaker 3: at Deepwater Asset Management. Gene, it's great to speak with

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Speaker 3: you on this Friday morning. Let's start off with Amazon,

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Speaker 3: because it really did seem to come in a lot

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Speaker 3: better than expected, not just on the e commerce side,

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Speaker 3: but on the cloud as well, all while cutting costs.

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Speaker 3: What stands out to you from Amazon's results, well.

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Speaker 16: Two things stand out. First is the pressure point.

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Speaker 17: So every company has really one or two pieces that

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Speaker 17: investors hyper focus around in earnings. And the pressure point,

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Speaker 17: of course was AWS and it was slightly better after

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Speaker 16: But that's what stood out to me from the quarter.

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Speaker 17: The most important part was this active base of devices,

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Speaker 17: He didn't say much at all about it, and it

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Speaker 3: Is there still room for this tech rally that is

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