1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome. It is a Verdict with Ted Cruz Weekend Review. 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Ben Ferguson with you, and these are the big stories 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: that you may have missed that we talked about this week. 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Story one a big one. Why is the media covering 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: for a terrorist organization Hamas and lying to you about 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: what Israel is doing? A perfect example is the fake 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: bombing of the hospital in Gaza that everyone blamed on Israel. 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: Story number two, Donald Trump election interference. A new gag 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: order has been put on the former president. How on 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: earth can he run in a free and fair election 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: if they won't let him talk or defend himself on 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: some of these charges. And finally, what can you do 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: as an American to actually help people in Israel? We 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: talk to someone on the ground in Israel and he 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: will explain exactly what the needs are. It is the 16 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: Weekend Review with Ted Cruz and it starts right now. 17 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: You know, I would like to ask MSNBC to put 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: out a formal statement explaining how someone who's raping a 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: little girl is not a bad guy, because that's apparently 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 2: their position. There are no good guys and bad guys. 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: You got to understand, because the Palestinians are living under 22 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: the boot of the Israeli military. 23 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: That is a lie. 24 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 2: That is a lie, but it's convenient propaganda. This is 25 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: the strategy. Push the lie, push the lie, put it 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: out there, and the reason we've devoted this entire pod 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: to this. More of this will come, much more. This 28 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: is just the beginning. I'm sorry to tell you. Next 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: week it's going to be worse, and in two weeks 30 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: it's going to be even worse, and in three weeks 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: it's going to be even worse than that. Because as 32 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: this war proceeds, Hamas is going to succeed in getting 33 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: Palestinian civilians killed. They want to succeed, and when they 34 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: have dead Palestinian civilians that they put in harm's way, 35 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: then all the CNN cameras are going to rush to 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: film the bodies and stand there and say Israel has 37 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: committed war crimes once again. Now mind you. Their alternative 38 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: is do what the Biden State Department asked them to do, 39 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 2: do a ceasefire. Sayta Hamas, never mind, don't know, you 40 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: can attack, you can murder one two hundred Israelis and 41 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: we'll do nothing. Because look, the objective of Hamas is 42 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: the same as the objective of anti Semites in America, 43 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: and it is to utterly destroy Israel. And these corporate 44 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: media propagandists are integral in the effort to destroy Israel. 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 2: You know, Ben, We've given several examples from MSNBC, from CNN, 46 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: and from ABC. But I don't want people to think 47 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: that CBS and NBC are blameless in this, because sadly, 48 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: the corporate media, they're all corrupt. So let's turn. I 49 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: want to turn to two headlines from CBS. First of all, 50 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: was the initial headline they put up, and it reads, 51 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: Israeli twin babies found hidden and unharmed at kibbutz where 52 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: Hamas killed their parents, allegedly beheaded children. So that's on 53 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: October twelfth, the headline from CBS News. Now, thankfully CBS 54 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: came back and edited that headline, and so the second 55 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: headline they put up was Israeli twin babies found hidden 56 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: and unharmed at kibbutz where Hamas killed their parents. Now 57 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: the second headline is fine. The first headline is part 58 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: of a very deliberate propaganda effort to say babies were 59 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: not beheaded. And you look at allegedly beheaded children and 60 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: the point is aha, we found some babies, so it's 61 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: not true that they beheaded children, because here are two 62 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: babies who are alive. I mean that that is so 63 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: mendacious it doesn't even pass the laugh test. And the topic. 64 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: How are we discussing babies being beheaded? It's not difficult 65 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: to tell the political agenda of the headline writer who 66 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: wrote the first headline. Yep, it is Hamas didn't do this. 67 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: The Israelis are lying. Nothing to see here. 68 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: Cast down on all stories of atrocities you may have 69 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: heard over the last week, allegedly right, allegedly. 70 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: By the way, that word allegedly sometimes they use it, 71 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: sometimes they don't. When Israel strikes at Gaza and they're 72 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: Palestinian civilians killed, twenty bucks says right now, CBS will 73 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: not use the word allegedly, allegedly will disappear. Let's give 74 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: an example from NBC. Yeah, NBC News, NBC News. Here's 75 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 2: the headline, Conservative stoke fears of a Hamas attack in US. 76 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: No credible threat, FBI says. The post show how quickly 77 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: the latest bloody conflict between Israel and Hamas has upended 78 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 2: online political debate thousands of miles away. 79 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: Now I've been part of this debate online because I 80 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: told the story you and I did this on the 81 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: podcast of the Day. There have been more terrorists on 82 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: the terrorists watch list this year that have been caught 83 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: coming across the border in the last five years combined. 84 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: So I guess I'm a part of the online you know, 85 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: the online political debate. By telling the facts that there 86 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: have been more people on the terrorists watch lift that 87 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: have come across the border have been caught this year, 88 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: doesn't county the godaways any of the people that got 89 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: across we don't know about then the last five years combine. 90 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: And if you say that now, now you're part of 91 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: some weird conspiracy theories group. 92 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: NBC went all in trying to cover that there's no 93 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: reason to think terrorism will happen in the United States. 94 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: By the way, among the conservative stoking fears are apparently 95 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: you and me, because Friday's podcast we went into great 96 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: length on this how this is particularly dangerous when you 97 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: have Hamas calling for a global day of Jahad, and 98 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 2: we've had two and a half years of open borders 99 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 2: with hundreds, if not thousands of criminals and terrorists crossing 100 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: into this country. Illegally, and look the numbers that we 101 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: have with people on the terror watch list, the numbers 102 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: that we have of people from special interest countries. Those 103 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: are disturbing, but it's the tip of the iceberg. What 104 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: is really worrying are the god aways. We don't know 105 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: how many terrorists came on the god aways. We know 106 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 2: that the fact that they got away shows they're deliberately 107 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: evading arrest. It suggests that they're not blameless. They're not 108 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: because if you're blameless, if you don't have a criminal record, 109 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: if you're not a gang member, if you're not a terrorist, 110 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: you turn yourself into the Biden administration and they let 111 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: you go. So there's no reason to be a got 112 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: away unless you're a drug dealer, unless you're a criminal, 113 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: unless you're a terrorist. That's the only reason. Yes, that's 114 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 2: why people are got aways. And the number you're looking 115 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: at upwards of a million and a half got aways. 116 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: We don't know how many terrorists are among that group. 117 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: But NBC is reporting as news. There's no reason to 118 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 2: be a friend terrorism in America. Never mind the million 119 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: and a half people who came in who could be terrorists. 120 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: Never mind the fact that if you were a terrorist, 121 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: if you wanted to commit Jahad, there's an obvious way 122 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: to do that you and I are not giving away 123 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: some state secrets saying if you're a terrorist who wants 124 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: to murder Americans, the way to do it is cross 125 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: over our southern border, because these idiots in the White 126 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: House will let you go, and they're not enforcing the border, 127 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: and it's not hard to be a got away. You 128 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: can get away because the border patrol agents are so 129 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: swamped with processing paperwork and changing diapers and dealing with 130 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: the seven point six million illegal immigrants that they're not 131 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: able to be actually protecting this nation. And mind you, 132 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: the Biden administration has also pulled federal air marshals off 133 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: a plane, so our planes are less secure because they're 134 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: down there doing paperwork as well. These two crises are intertwined, 135 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: and NBC News does not want anyone to connect that 136 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: our open borders makes us subject to a greater risk 137 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: of terrorism. I believe it is indisputable. The risk of 138 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: a major terror attack today is greater than any time 139 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: it has been since nine to eleven. 140 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation, 141 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: you can go back and listen to the full podcast 142 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: from earlier this week. Now onto story number two. This 143 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: gag order that was just put on former President Donald Trump, 144 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: plain and simple, is this election interference at its worst, 145 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: but also at its finest. For Democrats who say, hey, 146 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: we can shut up a candidate running the leader in 147 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: the lead by I don't know forty plus points depending 148 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: on what poll you look at, we're going to make 149 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: sure this guy can't defend himself. And what we're trying 150 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: to do to. 151 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: Him, this gag order is blatantly unconstitutional. Really, it is 152 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: an absolute abuse of power. Here's what the gag order reads. Quote, 153 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: all interested parties in this matter, including the parties in 154 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: their council, are prohibited from making any public statements or 155 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: directing others to make any public statements that target won 156 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: the Special Council prosecuting this case or his staff. Two 157 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: Defense councilor of the staff. Three any of this court 158 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: staff or other supporting personnel. And four any reasonable foreseeable 159 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: witness or the substance of their testimony. Now I want 160 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: to focus in particular on two of them. Number one, 161 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: the Special Council prosecuting the case. The judge is saying 162 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: You're not allowed to make this case that the Special 163 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: Council is a rabid partisan Democrat who's made a career 164 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 2: out of prosecuting Republicans, out of abusing his power. And 165 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 2: he's saying Trump can't make that point, but no, sheep, 166 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: rather the judge. But even more importantly, number four, Trump 167 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 2: is prohibited from saying any making any public comments about 168 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 2: any reasonable foreseeable witness or the substance of their testimony. 169 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 2: So one of the witnesses is Mike Pence. Mike Pence 170 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: is currently running against Donald Trump for President of the 171 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: United States. So you now have a federal judge saying you, 172 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 2: the leading candidate for president of the United States, as 173 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: a Republican, are prohibited by the court from making any 174 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: comments positive or negative about Mike Pence, one of your opponents. 175 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: That's impossible, by the way. 176 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: You know, I can just envision if Trump participated in 177 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 2: a debate, and I don't know if he will or not, 178 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: but you can imagine him on a debate stage and 179 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: Mike Pence stands up and a taxi and Mike Pence 180 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: has criticism of Trump, and Trump turns to him. And 181 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 2: if Trump were to follow this order, I guess Trump 182 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: would say, I would like to respond to those comments, 183 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: but I am prohibited by court order from saying anything 184 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: regarding the individual who just said that. That's absurd. That 185 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: is right in the face, laughing at the First Amendment, 186 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: laughing at free speech, laughing at the democratic process. Now 187 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: watch and listen to what Donald Trump said in response 188 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: to this. 189 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: They think the only way they can catch me is 190 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 3: to stop me from speaking. They want to take away 191 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: my voice. And a judge gave a gag order today. 192 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: Did you hear that? On speech? Which I believe is 193 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 3: totally unconstitutional? What she did. A judge gave a gagorder. 194 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: A judge doesn't like me too much. Her whole life 195 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: is not like in me, but she gave a gag order. 196 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: You know what a gagorner is. You can't speak badly 197 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 3: about your opponent. But this is weaponry. All being done 198 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: because Joe Biden is losing the election and losing very 199 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: very badly to all of us in the polls. He's 200 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 3: losing badly. But what they don't understand is that I 201 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 3: am willing to go to jail if that's what it 202 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 3: takes for our country to win and become a democracy again. 203 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: By the way, that's why people love him. Look, he's 204 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: calling it out and saying, fine, you want to go there, 205 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: you can put me in jail. I'm willing to go 206 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: to defend my rights to that end. 207 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: There are very few statements Donald Trump has made that 208 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: I agree with more emphatically than what he just said 209 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: there that is exactly right. By the way, on the 210 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: face of it, he argues violated the gag order right there, 211 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: because he's pointing out that the judge is a radical 212 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: leftist and is in fact one of the most liberal judges, 213 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 2: if not the most liberal judge on the entire DC Court. 214 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: I don't think the DC judge is going to dare 215 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: to put him in jail like you could. 216 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: She really couldn't. That was my question based on that. 217 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 1: Could she actually go and arrest him. 218 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 2: She could issue an order go arrest him and put 219 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: him in jail. Part of me wants her to do 220 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: that because if she did, he would immediately appeal and 221 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: I am absolutely certain the appellate courts would reverse it. 222 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 2: I put it at one hundred percent even for a 223 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: hardcore leftist judge. She knows that she's not going to lie. 224 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: And why did she do the gag order, That's my 225 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: question because if you know Donald Trump at all, you 226 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: know he's going to push that button. 227 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 2: Because there's an arrogance to it. And I think what 228 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: she probably will do is fine him. I think you 229 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: will see her at some point. I don't think she'll 230 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 2: take that comment. I think she'll try to find something 231 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: that is really explicitly blasting the prosecutor explicitly blasting Mike 232 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: Pence or some other potential witness. And I think what 233 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 2: is likely to that we're likely to see is that 234 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: she enters an order finding him one thousand dollars or 235 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: five thousand dollars or fifty one or hundred whatever some amount. 236 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: And I expect that find to be appealed, but it 237 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: will not be appealed with the urgency of if she 238 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: issued an order for the leading Republican candidate to be incarcerated. 239 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: And the former president of the United States of America. 240 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: Yes, that appeal would be resolved within hours like that 241 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: would be done on an emergency expedited basis, And even 242 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: the DC Circuit leans left. I don't believe the DC 243 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 2: Circuit look The Supreme Court in a case called Seattle 244 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: Times versus Reinhart said that Litigan's First Amendment rights quote 245 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: maybe subordinated to other interests that arise in the courthouse. 246 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: For instance, on several occasions, this Court has approved restrictions 247 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: on the communication of trial participants where necessary to ensure 248 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 2: a fair trial for a criminal defendant. But this isn't 249 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: designed to ensure a fair trial for criminal defendant. In fact, 250 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: just the opposite. This is designed to hurt the criminal defendant. 251 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: And I will point out in New York Times versus Sullivan, 252 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 2: which is a landmark, maybe the landmark free speech freedom 253 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: of the press case, the Supreme Court said that the 254 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: First Amendment reflects quote, a profound national commitment to the 255 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: principle that debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, 256 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: and wide open, and that it may well include vehement, caustic, 257 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attack on government and public officials. 258 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: What this judge just said is you're not allowed to 259 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: criticize the prosecutor. You're not allowed to criticize Merrick Garland, 260 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 2: the most political Attorney general in America's history, for weaponize 261 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: the Department of Justice to go after you because he's 262 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: afraid you'll win the election. And he wants to abuse 263 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: the justice system to lock you up because he doesn't 264 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: want the voters to be able to vote for you. 265 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: You're not allowed to say that because while you're running 266 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: for president. I don't want I don't want the voters 267 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: to hear that. That's not about the jury pool. That's 268 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: not about protecting the integrity of the trial. That's about 269 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: I don't like anyone knowing what's going on. Now everyone 270 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: knows what's going on. That's why every time Trump gets indicted, 271 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: his numbers in the primary go up, because it's obvious 272 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: whether you like Trump or don't like Trump. Even people 273 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: that don't like Trump, they look at this and say, 274 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: this is garbage. And this gag order. I gotta say, 275 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: this judge may overreach, and I think this gag order 276 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: is overreaching. Now, the gag order, on the face of it, 277 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: is not likely to be immediately appealable on an expedited basis. 278 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: When the appeal will speed up in all likelihood is 279 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: when the judge orders a consequence. If the judge ordered incarceration, 280 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: If the judge says locks on, do that, I don't 281 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: think she is. I actually don't. I think I don't 282 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: know this judge at all, have never practiced in front 283 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: of her. I don't know her, but from everything I know, 284 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: I'm assuming and her record indicate she's a hardcore leftist. 285 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: But I don't think she's stupid. If you issue an 286 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: order go incarcerate the president of the United States, lock 287 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: him up, by the way, you want to talk about unprecedented, 288 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: put it in handcuffs, put it in prison. Secret Service 289 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: is coming with him, so in the cell, you're gonna 290 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: have Secret Service agents protecting Donald Trump in prison. If 291 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: she issued that order, you would have an emergency expedited appeal, 292 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: and my prediction is in less than a day it 293 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: would be reversed. I actually think in hours. I don't 294 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: even think it would take It wouldn't take twenty four hours. 295 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: It would take a couple of hours. And Trump is 296 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: exactly right. Send me to jail, you crazy lunatic partisan 297 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: who is rubber stamping this abuse of power from the 298 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: most partisan attorney general we've ever seen. 299 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: It's incredible. 300 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: This gag order is a sad moment in American democracy. 301 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 2: It's a sad moment for American free speech. And let 302 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: me close the podcast with this question. Can you name 303 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 2: a single Democrat who's criticized the gag order. 304 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: Not a one. 305 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: So I can't name an elected Democrat, but I can, Actually, 306 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna close with this. I can name Erwin Chimerinsky. 307 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 2: So Erwin Chimerinsky, I know him well. He's a very liberal, 308 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: left wing law professor. When I litigated the case defending 309 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: the Texas Ten Commandments monument in Texas went to the 310 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: Supreme Court, we won five to four. The lawyer on 311 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: the other side was Erwin Chimerinsky. He and I have 312 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: done multiple debates one on one. He's a very smart, 313 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: very affable, very liberal constitutional law professor. So Erwin wrote 314 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 2: on October seventeenth, twenty twenty three, an op ed in 315 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 2: the La Times entitled a federal judges gag order against 316 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: Trump may be satisfying, but it is isn't constitutional. And 317 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 2: here's what Erwin wrote. Basic First Amendment principles cast serious 318 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: doubt on the judge's order. Quote. The Supreme Court is 319 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: long held that court orders prohibiting speech constitute prior restraint 320 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: and allowed are allowed only in extraordinary, compelling circumstances. Quote. 321 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 2: What is particularly troubling about Chutkin's order is that it 322 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: seems primarily concerned with protecting prosecutors and court personnel from 323 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: Trump's vitriol. The law is clear that speech can't be 324 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: restricted to prevent government officials from being criticized or even vilified. Quote. 325 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the First Amendment 326 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: protects a right to criticize government officials, even harshly. Quote. 327 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: There is no reason to believe, however, that Trump's criticism 328 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: of Smith, his staff, or court personnel will prevent a 329 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 2: fair trial. It is impossible to imagine that Trump's attacks 330 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: will change how the prosecutors behave Irwin Chemerinsky is demonstrating principle. 331 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: Here's absolutely right. Name one Democrat senator who's shown this principle. 332 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: Name one Democrat House member who shown this principle. If 333 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: they exist, I don't know about it. Because today's Democrat 334 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: members of Congress hate Donald Trump so much that the 335 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 2: rule of law, the First Amendment, the Constitution, free speech, 336 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: none of it matters. Trump hatred defines today's Democrat. 337 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: Party as before. If you want to hear the rest 338 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: of this conversation on this topic, you can go back 339 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: and down the podcasts from earlier this week to hear 340 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: the entire thing. I want to get back to the 341 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: big story number three of the week you may have missed. Lastly, 342 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: for everyone in the US, it's going to be hearing this. 343 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: Is there anything that they can do? I've had so 344 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: many people reach out saying they want to get involved, 345 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: they want to help. What is it they can do? Obviously, 346 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 1: pray for the people of Israel and those of the 347 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: loved ones that still have their loved ones who are missing, 348 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: that are being held hostage. But is there anything else 349 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: that Americans can do if they want to be involved? 350 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 4: Thank you for asking and having had the privilege of 351 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 4: representing America here in Israel for four years. I know 352 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 4: that Americans love Israel, and I know that Americans loved 353 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 4: being on the side of good and Israel is a 354 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 4: great example of that. Here are the three things that 355 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 4: somebody can do, and I just want to highlight for 356 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 4: one moment, it's important for all the listeners to know 357 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 4: that there were thirty Americans killed in this tragedy and 358 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 4: there are eleven Americans at least still missing. I remember 359 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 4: a time where there is a submarine, a tourist submarine 360 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 4: to go see the Titanic, and I think there were 361 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 4: five six seven people on board, and the Nationals gripped 362 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 4: by how many hours of oxygen that they had left. 363 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 4: And it was a porn of watching these people die. 364 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 4: But the world was gripped and prayed and whatever else 365 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 4: happened happened. And I'm not belittling that by any stretching magination. 366 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 4: But I do not see the same captivation of America 367 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 4: of eleven American young men and women being held hostage. 368 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 4: The Red Cross has not been able to see them. 369 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 4: We don't know where they are. The leaders of their 370 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 4: organization fit in a major non NATO allied country, Katarre. 371 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 4: They sit there in the four season villas and are 372 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 4: living it up while they know where our young men 373 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 4: and how young women are. And I don't know why 374 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 4: there's not a counter of how many seconds have gone 375 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 4: by since their parents, if their parents are still alive. 376 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 4: I've seen them last since America knows where they are. 377 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 4: I mean, this is this is this is yes in Israel. 378 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 4: But there are Americans amongst the hostages, and and Americas 379 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 4: amongst the killed in action, and and and we have 380 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 4: people protesting the streets rooting these people on that they 381 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 4: are there. They are rooting on the killing and the 382 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 4: kidnapping of Americans. Let's let's I just want to be 383 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 4: the crystal cinematic. Yeah. Three different things we can do 384 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 4: as human being, certainly as Americans, we're highly influential and connected. 385 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 4: The first is prayer to God in either sweet story plumbers, 386 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 4: Let's make sure that he's busy twenty four to seven. 387 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 4: If you pray, pray more. If you don't pray yet, 388 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 4: start now. That's critical. Number two is Israel will defend 389 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 4: itself by itself. It does not want an American troop, 390 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 4: never is wanted an American troop. It needs arms, needs wespons, 391 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 4: and needs to be able to be resupplied, and it 392 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 4: needs diplomatic cover to be able to continue to do this. 393 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 4: The Senator has pointed out so clearly how fast the 394 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 4: world turns against Israel. The United States needs to have 395 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 4: the moral clarity to allow Israel to exercise this tumor 396 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 4: along its side called Kamas as long as gi Iran. 397 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 4: It needs that diplomatic space and needs the wessonry to 398 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 4: be able to do it by itself. The third thing is, look, 399 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 4: all of my neighbors that I've said, have somebody who's 400 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 4: at the front. I don't know how they sleep a night, 401 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 4: which is by more than more than honor to be 402 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 4: up in the middle of the night, to be able 403 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 4: to be on this podcast through the very little bit 404 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 4: that I can do. If you post posts, if you 405 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 4: give charity, give charity. But whatever it is that you do, 406 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 4: do it until it hurts. There are mothers who cannot 407 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 4: sleep tonight because their kids are missing. There are fathers 408 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 4: who cannot sleep tonight because their kids are on the 409 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 4: front and they don't know if they will come home. 410 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 4: If we want to be with them, we need to 411 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 4: be with them, and that means do something differently than 412 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 4: you would normally do. If you normally pray for privates, 413 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 4: pray until you're missing. The football game is Saturday, pray 414 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 4: until right. If you give charity, you can apport one 415 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 4: thousand dollars. Figure out how to get two thousand dollars. 416 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 4: There are ways that we can be with the people 417 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 4: of Israel at this point in time, the Americans who 418 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 4: are still missing at this point in time, in a 419 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 4: way that God will know that I ain't willing to 420 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 4: sacrifice in order to help share the pain. Pain can 421 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 4: be diffused, pain can be shared, and so we'll ise, 422 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 4: will win, the free world will win, America will win. 423 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 4: We just need to do those three things. 424 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 2: So Aria, that was profound and powerful and and and 425 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: and I agree with all three. Let me make a 426 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: couple of observations. One, Uh, the fact, my friend, that 427 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: you were a rabbi came through loud and clear when 428 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: when you gave the the the wonderful advice if you pray, 429 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: pray more. If you don't pray, start praying now. I 430 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: I love that advice. And that's that's good advice to 431 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 2: every listener. A verdict. I enthusiastically second that that council. 432 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 2: And and you're right in terms of all of the 433 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: steps of adding the voice, adding the voices of truth 434 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: that that that are really needed powerfully right now, you know, 435 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: I want to ask you, I want to shift just 436 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: as we're wrapping up to a broader policy question, because 437 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 2: you are living in Israel, you're experiencing firsthand what's happening there. 438 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: But you also have been a very senior United States official, 439 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 2: the chief of State to the American ambassador to Israel 440 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: during one of the most consequential times in the history 441 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 2: of Israel, and that was the Trump presidency. David Friedman 442 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 2: was ambassador. We moved the American embassy to Jerusalem, something 443 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: presidents of both parties had promised, both Republican and Democrat, 444 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: and presidents of both parties had broken that promise, and 445 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: yet we were able to deliver on it. And you 446 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: also were integral in a process. Just two and a 447 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: half years ago, we were at a moment where where 448 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 2: peace was breaking out in the Middle East, the Abraham 449 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 2: Accords were being signed, and we were seeing Arabs and 450 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: Israelis coming together in a moment that many of us 451 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: were afraid we would never see. And it was extraordinary. 452 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: And you played an important part in that process. And 453 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: so what I want to ask you is a question 454 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 2: what changed three years ago? I remember standing on the 455 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 2: south lawn of the of the White House for the 456 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: signing of the Abraham Accords, and people were marveling, how 457 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 2: did this happen? And now we're facing the worst war 458 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: in Israel in over fifty years, And and and in 459 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: your judgment, as someone who was intimately involved in the 460 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: policy that led to the good outcome, what has changed 461 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: to have led to this horrific state of affairs where 462 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 2: we find ourselves today, My goodness. 463 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know when your phone shows you like images 464 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 4: that happen on that day. So three years ago this morning, 465 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 4: I was in Abu Davi with our Secretary of the Treasury, 466 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 4: Stephen Denucin, leading the first ever Abraham of Court business 467 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 4: delegation Dawodabi in the height of Covid, who brought one 468 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 4: hundred is Raey business people met and women com meet 469 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 4: with one hundred Amarati business people met in women in 470 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 4: the middle of Covid. And had it not been Covid, 471 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 4: they would have been hugging each other and said they 472 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 4: were doing that stupid out boat thing which like was 473 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 4: forced for people. And just three there's an l place 474 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 4: flying from Israel to Avru Valley to the United Arab 475 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 4: Emirates and five peace treaties in one hundred and twenty 476 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 4: three days, and there were more to come. Had the 477 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 4: Bible administration capitalized on that the answer and I will 478 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 4: agree with how you started the show. Thanks God for 479 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 4: President Biden's showing up to Iszel. Thanks God that President 480 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 4: Biden brought the carriers into the Mediterranean close in order 481 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 4: to do an act of deterrence. I praise him. I 482 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 4: thanked him, and I think those are important. I think 483 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 4: that's great, But the three years prior to that is 484 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 4: why we're in this position. When you appease Iran, that 485 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 4: is a Neville Chamberlain action. Yeah twice Iran, that is 486 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 4: the Churchill reaction. We have given money to Iran, We've 487 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 4: taken our plus off of their financial neck. There's the 488 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 4: billion to tens of billions, hundreds of billions of dollars 489 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 4: that Iran has gotten over the last three years. We're 490 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 4: not used to rebuild their economy, their universities, they're their 491 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 4: high tech sector. They were used to fund terror And 492 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 4: when Biden decided that he wasn't going to use the 493 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 4: words Abraham Aports, that sent the message to every country 494 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 4: that joined the Israel in peace that leave the United 495 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 4: States of America do not stand with you. It left 496 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 4: a vacuum in the region. And when the United States 497 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 4: needs a vacuum and the region is not filled by 498 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 4: Costa Rica, it's filed by China, Iran, and Russia. And 499 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 4: the only deal that's been broken in the last three 500 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 4: years in the Middle East that when we get five 501 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 4: in one hundred and twenty three days, with ten other 502 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 4: countries ready to go, we gain the playbook to the 503 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 4: Biden administration, China brokeer a deal in between Iran and 504 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia. Now, why would Saudi Arabia, a chief relationship 505 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 4: of the United States of America a wreached to a 506 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 4: deal with their number one adversary, Iran brokeer by China 507 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 4: because they didn't trust with the United States and America 508 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 4: would be there for them. And our inability to be 509 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 4: able to tell our allies concrete me, we will be 510 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 4: with you. Create a vacuum. And when that vacuum exists, 511 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 4: it's killed by terror. Under the Obama administration, who's called ice. 512 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 4: Under the Bided administration, it's called Cormas Husballah and Iran 513 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 4: it's the same thing, the same radicals run. But it's 514 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 4: because we are not precisive, we are not here, and 515 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 4: we fund this. We fund this with our Iran deal 516 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 4: that you fought against. We fund this with our hostage 517 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 4: negotiations which I would call land and payments, which you 518 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 4: fought against. But we nonetheless have enfranchised these monstrous barbarians 519 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 4: who direct, fund and lead these attacks. And we can 520 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 4: call it Romas, you can call it Hugballah, but it's 521 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 4: the Iran. 522 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: As always thank you for listening to Verdict with Center 523 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you don't forget to dealt 524 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: with my podcast, so you can listen to my podcast 525 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: every other day you're not listening to Verdict, or each 526 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: day when you listen to Verdict. Afterwards, I'd love to 527 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: have you as a listener to again the Ben Ferguson podcasts, 528 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: and we will see you back here on Monday morning.