Speaker 1: Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 1: Done done, Yay.
Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome to That's Mess Step, an SVU podcast.
Speaker 3: My name is Lisa.
Speaker 1: Hi, Hi, my name is Kara, and you guys know
Speaker 1: the drill. Every week we dive into an SVU episode,
Speaker 1: the true crime it's based on, and then we chat
Speaker 1: with an actor or a person involved with the show.
Speaker 1: But first we catch up, We binter, we gab Lisa up.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone saw on Instagram, but I
Speaker 2: did find the Maloney Men's Health in person at the
Speaker 2: Walgreens in Old Town in Chicago, and I'm happy to
Speaker 2: have it in my possess.
Speaker 3: It was hard to find. Yeah, he looks great.
Speaker 2: I was at airports, I was at jewel I was
Speaker 2: like running around and I couldn't find and I was
Speaker 2: so happy.
Speaker 3: To have found.
Speaker 2: I should have bought a few more maybe I will,
Speaker 2: but happy to have him in my presence.
Speaker 1: I think that's awesome. I think it's really impressive. How
Speaker 1: I mean, everything on the internet or like on Twitter
Speaker 1: last for it feels like two days and Stabler and
Speaker 1: like the SVU hype has been going on now for
Speaker 1: like a couple of months. He just keeps doing photo shoots,
Speaker 1: the butt, the earrings. I mean, it's just like it
Speaker 1: just keeps feeling like he's really riding this wave, like
Speaker 1: all the way into the next season of OC. And
Speaker 1: of course what I want to talk about is I
Speaker 1: want to talk about it not because I want to
Speaker 1: talk about it, but because everyone's writing to us about it.
Speaker 1: Did you see this troll that Hargatea and Maloney did
Speaker 1: where they posted a photo of themselves inches away from kissing,
Speaker 1: but to be honest, the same distance that l it
Speaker 1: is usually away from a purp when he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: knew what you did, you piece of shit. Like he's
Speaker 1: always looks like he's about to kiss someone and so
Speaker 1: they are in like a almost kiss. They're fully trolling people.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're ever gonna get what they would be, but.
Speaker 3: I want it.
Speaker 2: That's the thing, Like these people could want whatever they want.
Speaker 2: I want better for Benson. I don't want a man
Speaker 2: who like toyed with her emotions for decades, ditched her ass,
Speaker 2: no call, no showed, and yeah, finally when his wife
Speaker 2: dies is like, fine, all right, I'll give you something.
Speaker 3: I don't want that for her.
Speaker 2: I want someone who's going to go out of his
Speaker 2: way to be with Olivia Benson knows the prize that
Speaker 2: she is and support her in her lifestyle. Maybe a
Speaker 2: man with money who can just take care of Noah
Speaker 2: while she's at work or something like. I don't want
Speaker 2: a man who won't go to therapy to be in
Speaker 2: Benson's life. That's not what I want for her.
Speaker 1: And I feel like if they were real people, they
Speaker 1: would be they would they would just like fuck one
Speaker 1: time and it would like not go great, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: what have we all been talking about for twenty years?
Speaker 1: Like they would it would be too weird. They'd be
Speaker 1: like I felt like I was with my brother. It
Speaker 1: would be weird.
Speaker 3: You know, you're right.
Speaker 2: If this was real life, he would have definitely cheated
Speaker 2: on his wife and they would have fucked in the
Speaker 2: back of the car one time for sure, and then
Speaker 2: he would have felt guilty and then she would have
Speaker 2: switched partners. Yeah, if this was real life, there's no
Speaker 2: way there wouldn't be cheating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's definitely hotter to leave it up
Speaker 1: in the air forever, and I think that's what Neil
Speaker 1: basically has alluded to with us. But anyway, I wanted
Speaker 1: to get your take on it because it feels like
Speaker 1: every we were getting many many tags. We need you
Speaker 1: to weigh in on this, We need you to weigh
Speaker 1: in on this, and like I, I just I think
Speaker 1: it's very clear. I don't mind your ships and who
Speaker 1: you guys are obsessed with, but I just am not,
Speaker 1: Like I'm really not a huge like Benseler forever kind
Speaker 1: of person. I love them together as like working together
Speaker 1: on the show, but I just.
Speaker 3: Don't need to see it was it was a hot
Speaker 3: little photo.
Speaker 1: I'll say that.
Speaker 2: Yes, of course I like people having fun on Instagram,
Speaker 2: you know, like yeah, yeah, but it is wild they are.
Speaker 3: It's like, bro, you're sixty, get off the ground.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I love a troll, I love a trick, I love
Speaker 2: a kiss. I like it all and I'm here for it.
Speaker 2: I just would love for our character Olivia Benson to
Speaker 2: get a bigger love story then you get, you know, any.
Speaker 1: Because also our our Marishka Hargatea is with a much
Speaker 1: hotter man in real life, so we don't need to
Speaker 1: worry about her. We're just talking about Benson the character.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Also, I just wanted to really quickly bring up just
Speaker 1: to follow up, because a couple of people wrote in
Speaker 1: to us about the woman that Lisa met at the
Speaker 1: store who went silent when Lisa suggested, oh, do you
Speaker 1: love to paint?
Speaker 2: So I get a text from Kara with a photo
Speaker 2: of the employee, going, is this the girl? And I
Speaker 2: think I've been drunk. Okay, I have to be honest
Speaker 2: with the listeners. I have been drunk. I've been drunk
Speaker 2: for days. I something happens to me in Chicago.
Speaker 1: I know because I've texted you a few times and
Speaker 1: been raided silence. And it wasn't until I sent you
Speaker 1: a picture of the daughter girl that I got you
Speaker 1: to write back to me. And I was like, she's
Speaker 1: in Chicago, She's in her Chicago bubble.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's I've not been checking emails truly. Nothing.
Speaker 2: There's nothing. But then what happens with drinking is everyone knows.
Speaker 2: Then the next day you got to start drinking immediately
Speaker 2: or you're not going to survive. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like chasing this hangover Wild Beast, and I love
Speaker 2: it and it feels I feel lucky and perfect, but
Speaker 2: I don't know if I will survive the week.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for confessing. But I was excited for
Speaker 1: this text, and so she said, I send her this
Speaker 1: text because I'm at the same store and I'm having
Speaker 1: a weird interaction kind of with the girl that works there,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this has got to be the girl.
Speaker 1: So I and I don't like to take pictures of
Speaker 1: people when they don't know. I don't like when people
Speaker 1: post those on Instagram and stuff like look at this
Speaker 1: guy's fucking outfit on the subway or whatever. But I
Speaker 1: wasn't putting this online. I was just sending it to Lisa,
Speaker 1: and I was like, is this the girl? And she
Speaker 1: was like, Lol, yes it is. And I was like,
Speaker 1: she needs to get out of retail. This is not
Speaker 1: her this is not her business. Like I literally was like,
Speaker 1: but I was there to buy a gift, a baby gift,
Speaker 1: and I was like, can I just get a gift
Speaker 1: receipt for that? And she looked like a deer in headlights.
Speaker 1: I mean she was like, we don't do those. I
Speaker 1: can give you the code, the order code. I was like, girl,
Speaker 1: it's not that serious, Like she just like you do
Speaker 1: give receipts.
Speaker 3: We are frequent shoppers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, our printers broke it. I mean, there was all
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff going on, and but what was
Speaker 1: funny was that a couple of days earlier, I had
Speaker 1: checked the That's messed Up email and a couple of
Speaker 1: people had written in their theories about this girl. What
Speaker 1: interesting theory was maybe the minute that Lisa spoke to her,
Speaker 1: she recognized her from That's messed Up her voice and
Speaker 1: got starstruck and could talk. I don't think that's the
Speaker 1: case now that I've been in there too, now that
Speaker 1: I've seen this girl in action, but a very flattering idea.
Speaker 1: The other suggestion somebody goes, is it possible that she's
Speaker 1: like a famous local painter, and was like taken aback
Speaker 1: that you didn't know who she was, And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think we don't have like a famous local.
Speaker 3: Painting scene here in Highland Park.
Speaker 2: Listen, Yeah, I mean I know one of the bartenders
Speaker 2: from what is it Junior?
Speaker 3: He makes rugs. I saw him on selling some cool rugs.
Speaker 2: But if she was a well known painter, I don't
Speaker 2: know if she'd be working the register, but maybe not,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe because I remember the you know, the
Speaker 2: guy from American Pie that like accidentally ate the pubes
Speaker 2: or something like he was like the creepy sherman.
Speaker 1: In that movie American Pie.
Speaker 2: I read somewhere that like he's been a server and
Speaker 2: people are like, wait, I know you, and it sucks
Speaker 2: for him because yeah, he's like day jobbing it. But
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't cut all this. No, I
Speaker 2: don't think she's a good painter. I don't think she's
Speaker 2: a good communicator. And I think she's a maniac. And
Speaker 2: we'll see her again soon, hopefully.
Speaker 3: I'm more up lad.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that I like did some investigative journalism
Speaker 1: and found this one, and now I can put a
Speaker 1: face to the weird mess.
Speaker 3: You know, I have been complaining for a while.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm not even at my home, but my
Speaker 2: air conditioner's been broken for so long, and then finally
Speaker 2: someone came this week.
Speaker 3: To fix it.
Speaker 2: Finally, and I'm out of town. They're like, we need someone.
Speaker 2: I go, someone has to come. I don't care if
Speaker 2: I'm not in town. But the guy calls me and
Speaker 2: He's like, I can't see it. I don't see the address,
Speaker 2: and I'm explaining the building and I go, I don't
Speaker 2: know what you want from me, sir, And it's like,
Speaker 2: I'm so close to getting this new air conditioner. What
Speaker 2: is happening. I'm texting the management company. He put in
Speaker 2: the wrong address, and he was five miles away from
Speaker 2: the apartment, which was fine, but I got a video
Speaker 2: the air I have a new air conditioner.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go home to a brand new, nice
Speaker 3: cold apartment.
Speaker 2: But I just couldn't believe being so close to it
Speaker 2: and having this man just be like with very we
Speaker 2: had a language barrier situation, but I have a foreign father,
Speaker 2: so I'm like able to push through and really understand.
Speaker 2: But like I was like, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: know how to tell you how to find the door.
Speaker 3: There's a building, there's a pay I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know what to tell you. Somebody easy.
Speaker 1: If you have the right address, your place is not
Speaker 1: hard to find.
Speaker 3: It's like, so I'm so fucking frustrated, but so happy.
Speaker 2: I Also, I'm in the news some topic that's interesting
Speaker 2: to us, so we talk about a lot. But I'm
Speaker 2: the only fans. There was some controversy and they took
Speaker 2: it back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, happy to see their you turn on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they're making it seem like it's it's I
Speaker 2: wish businesses were more upfront where it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess the bottom line, we need you guys, Like I
Speaker 2: wish it wasn't like for much time. It's like bullshit,
Speaker 2: fluffy language on how they've changed their minds, and it's like, no,
Speaker 2: you don't care about anybody but money, and you need
Speaker 2: to admit it, you know.
Speaker 1: No, And it's like you're only fans. You're not Cameo,
Speaker 1: you're not Patreon, Like you're trying to turn your platform
Speaker 1: that was built by sex workers into like a place
Speaker 1: where celebrities can do cooking shows or some shit, Like
Speaker 1: we have other places for that. Like that's just not
Speaker 1: what you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all very very frustrating, but I'm I'm glad
Speaker 2: it's back in action.
Speaker 1: I think it would be be fun if only fans
Speaker 1: could also incorporate non sexual stuff so that like all
Speaker 1: that stuff can live side by side, and sex work
Speaker 1: online wouldn't be so stigmatized, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: let's get I don't know who Am I thinking of
Speaker 1: some random celebrity Jennifer Aniston to do a cooking show
Speaker 1: on OnlyFans that's completely non nude and it's side by
Speaker 1: side with someone that's doing.
Speaker 3: They are kra.
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: Are there are people on Only Fans just.
Speaker 1: Doing regular I know, but I'm saying, like more mainstream it,
Speaker 1: like people don't really know that it's really associated with
Speaker 1: the sexy stuff, right yay? Yeah, I was saying, like,
Speaker 1: I know people are doing that, but I just think
Speaker 1: it would like.
Speaker 2: Or the idea what I is in the culture is
Speaker 2: very much like, oh, now you got to get a
Speaker 2: real job.
Speaker 3: I guess you got to get a real job. And
Speaker 3: it's like, what is not real about it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What makes uh sitting somewhere in an air conditioned office
Speaker 2: more or less of a real job?
Speaker 3: It's like fucked up.
Speaker 2: The way people think about everything is wrong and we're
Speaker 2: all right and it sucks to be better and smarter
Speaker 2: than everyone.
Speaker 1: I just had to have I just had to have
Speaker 1: a sex work is work conversation with my husband, who
Speaker 1: I usually considered to be pretty woke, but sometimes he's
Speaker 1: on the wrong side.
Speaker 3: Of things, and I had to talk to him about it?
Speaker 2: What was his point of view? He was for only
Speaker 2: fans to get shut down.
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't for only fans to get shut down.
Speaker 1: He was just kind of like, I don't know. He
Speaker 1: his point of view was crazy, and I was like,
Speaker 1: but he also has a cold right now, And I
Speaker 1: was like, I think you're talking out of your ass
Speaker 1: and you're not making any sense, and I think the
Speaker 1: dake will is getting to you, like sex work is
Speaker 1: work and it's not there's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 3: What was his point? Are you to tell us?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Honestly, it was so crazy that I was like, no,
Speaker 1: you're you're wrong. I like talked to him about it,
Speaker 1: and he was like, Okay, you're probably right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the fact that you didn't tell me
Speaker 2: about it even off there means it was probably something
Speaker 2: very crazy.
Speaker 1: I know, I've always struggled to make sure that lee'sa
Speaker 1: and my husband's stay friends.
Speaker 2: Well, No, because I actually just saw a post someone
Speaker 2: shared it that I liked and I'm opening for my
Speaker 2: friend Jared Freed, and a lot of his materials, like
Speaker 2: dating advice in his podcast is mostly dating stuff, and
Speaker 2: so I saw something that was really interesting where it
Speaker 2: was like, it seems like, are you okay?
Speaker 3: I just I was trying to do a quiet sneeze.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Well, from what I saw, it looked like you
Speaker 2: just puked, So I was more worried, sorry to interrupt you.
Speaker 1: And I interrupted you even more by trying to do
Speaker 1: a quiet sneeze. No, I'm just glad you're not puking.
Speaker 2: But basically this tweet that I saw, it was like,
Speaker 2: men want unattached sex so often, that's what they like.
Speaker 2: If you were a man that wants that, why aren't
Speaker 2: you hiring sex workers? My friend just sent me this
Speaker 2: meme today twe minutes ago. Yeah, so it's like, men,
Speaker 2: you want no strings attached sex, and there are sex
Speaker 2: workers that provide that service.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yet you don't do that.
Speaker 2: Instead, you manipulate women who you know want a commitment,
Speaker 2: and then you act crazy when they expect a commitment,
Speaker 2: but you are tricking them to get what you want
Speaker 2: and ignore what they want and then calling them crazy.
Speaker 2: And it's like, obviously you can find women that want
Speaker 2: no strings attach sex as well, but especially listening to
Speaker 2: the advice that Jared's like fan base wants, it's mostly
Speaker 2: like this guy's treating me like shit, but he keeps
Speaker 2: taking me out and I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: And it's like, you're fucking with people, hire sex workers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: why don't you just pay someone to fuck with no
Speaker 2: strings attached instead of ruining some you know, poor pr
Speaker 2: girls life.
Speaker 3: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah that said, I mean, if you want to have
Speaker 1: if both sides want to have casual sex, like you know,
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with.
Speaker 3: That, But that's not what we're talking.
Speaker 2: I think the point, the point of the meme was
Speaker 2: the hypothesis of that Twitter thread was men enjoy the
Speaker 2: manipulation and trickery to fus someone.
Speaker 1: I'm getting away. I'm getting away with fucking somebody and
Speaker 1: not putting in any of the emotional work or the.
Speaker 2: Commitment instead of finding someone that also just wants to fuck. Yeah, whatever,
Speaker 2: we're let's start that episode before I fully generalize everyone.
Speaker 3: I mean, my sister's husband's a great guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh yeah, you're like naming the one good guy,
Speaker 1: you know, that's so funny. All right, Yeah, let's get going.
Speaker 1: We've got a great episode for today, and lord knows,
Speaker 1: we could fucking talk forever about whatever. All right, we
Speaker 1: are doing learning Curve Season thirteen, episode twenty one, A
Speaker 1: twist a thon this episode, So here we go. We
Speaker 1: start the episode, Munch is eating at a restaurant with
Speaker 1: Finn's son Ken and he tells Munch she's getting married,
Speaker 1: and Munch is like, Mazeltov, I'm guessing you haven't told
Speaker 1: your dad yet, and he's like, I'm hoping after you
Speaker 1: meet Alejandro, you can help us break the news. He'll
Speaker 1: be here in five minutes. Did you sing Lady Gaga?
Speaker 1: Did I what?
Speaker 3: You didn't sing?
Speaker 1: Ali han lahandro a lajanro No? But I love that song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I'm shocked it didn't go into your hair.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry it didn't even come into my mind. Thank
Speaker 1: you for putting it together for me, because I do
Speaker 1: love that song. So this scene and the scene of
Speaker 1: them in the restaurant is kind of like cross cut
Speaker 1: with the scene that's happening. We're at a Rundown apartment
Speaker 1: where a young pregnant woman is like asking her man
Speaker 1: where he's going and he's like, I'm going to work,
Speaker 1: lay off me, and like then these dudes show up.
Speaker 1: It has, you know, an air of gang to it,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to judge anything too quickly, but
Speaker 1: it does seem like there's some gang activity happening. And
Speaker 1: then back at dinner, Alejandro's there. He's very hot. They're
Speaker 1: a very very cute couple, and he's like, I've been
Speaker 1: working myself up to meeting Finn. And then Munch basically
Speaker 1: gives the old be yourself advice and he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: Finn might seem imposing, but there's a lot of depth there,
Speaker 1: a lot of heart, and then they sort of all separate.
Speaker 1: Ken has a night shift, so alle Hunter takes off.
Speaker 1: Munch stands there and tells Ken like, Finn is really
Speaker 1: really proud of you. He talks about it all the time,
Speaker 1: so you're kind of like having a sweet moment with
Speaker 1: like uncle Munch. I kind of love this, like like surrogate,
Speaker 1: not that he needs a surrogate father, but he's like
Speaker 1: another father figure kind of to him, like an uncle.
Speaker 1: The camera follows Alejandro ominous music. A van is following him.
Speaker 1: Nothing good is about to happen. Suddenly these dudes jump out,
Speaker 1: put a hood over his head and throw them in
Speaker 1: the van, and it's the guys from earlier. We find
Speaker 1: out it's like all those guys that went into the
Speaker 1: apartment earlier to get the Expectant Father, and now they're
Speaker 1: at this gross apartment and they are like, Ola, Alejandro,
Speaker 1: you in the mood for love, so it's like they
Speaker 1: know Alejandro. And then they give the guy the main
Speaker 1: the Expectant Father. They give him a bat and they're like,
Speaker 1: time to teach this pretty boy, and he really looks
Speaker 1: like he doesn't want to do it, and then they
Speaker 1: go to take Alejandro's pants off, and then that's the
Speaker 1: credits bad. So now at the precinct, Ken comes running
Speaker 1: into the precinct and kind of like falls into Finn's
Speaker 1: arms crying, and we are at the hospital talking to
Speaker 1: Alejandro and the like the right side of his face
Speaker 1: is just pulverized. It's very very good makeup work because
Speaker 1: it's making me feel really sick and bad, and it's not.
Speaker 1: It's like ough like he really has been beaten, beaten badly.
Speaker 1: He's basically recounting what happened. He says they beat him,
Speaker 1: sodomized him, and left him for dead on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1: He said there were four of them. They were speaking Spanglish,
Speaker 1: they knew his name, and then he says, don't tell
Speaker 1: my family.
Speaker 3: I'm here, so.
Speaker 1: We're already, you know, there's a lot of clues that
Speaker 1: this is a gay bash incident, and he obviously doesn't
Speaker 1: want his family to know or to be involved. Ken
Speaker 1: admits to Finn that Alejandro is more than a friend,
Speaker 1: and Munch breaks the news about the engagement. Finn does
Speaker 1: look a little shocked, but then immediately jumps into cop
Speaker 1: mode to try to like find out who did this
Speaker 1: and what's going on. They tell Finn the hate crimes
Speaker 1: units on their way, and Finn's like, we're not given
Speaker 1: this to hate crimes no way, Like we know when
Speaker 1: something is close to Finn or any of the detectives,
Speaker 1: they try to handle it themselves, even though it's like
Speaker 1: most of the time against policy. Next scene, Rollins is
Speaker 1: leading kind of like an info sessh where she's like, look,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of there's been an uptick in
Speaker 1: gay bashing all over the city, but this one really
Speaker 1: matches the mo from a case in The Bronx. A
Speaker 1: guy named Barry Flocco who's Dominican. He was jumped outside
Speaker 1: of a gay bar, taken to another location, beaten, all
Speaker 1: the same shit and They're like, okay, maybe it's a
Speaker 1: gang initiation, and so Finn's like, oh, I'll go check
Speaker 1: out X Y Z, and Olivia's like, Finn, the captain
Speaker 1: doesn't want you anywhere near this case.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cragan's at a conference by the way, and Munch seems
Speaker 1: to be like filling in as like Daddy for the day.
Speaker 1: At the hospital. Amorrow goes to see Finn and so
Speaker 1: clearly people are still helping Finn get information even though
Speaker 1: he's not in the case anymore. So Omorro goes to
Speaker 1: Finn and is like, you know, I think one of
Speaker 1: these guys had a tattoo that matches this gang called
Speaker 1: b X nine, and Finn's like a gang a bus
Speaker 1: route they named this gang named themselves after a bus route,
Speaker 1: and Omarro's like, that's the thing. All the good gang
Speaker 1: names were taken, hahaha. Amorrow leaves him with a book
Speaker 1: of mugshots to run by Alejandro, and then Finn asks
Speaker 1: Ken if Alejandro has any gang ties, and Ken's like
Speaker 1: he's a stylist, so not really, and they're like, what
Speaker 1: about his family. Now we're at the home of Mari
Speaker 1: sal Pavel Rollins is telling Finn Marisol is Alejandra's cousin.
Speaker 1: Her boyfriend Rolls with BX nine. She opens the door,
Speaker 1: and that's when we find out it's the pregnant woman
Speaker 1: from earlier. Sezar is his name. He's not in the house,
Speaker 1: but obviously she somehow gives up where he is because
Speaker 1: the next scene he's being interrogated by Amorrow. He's not
Speaker 1: in the gang yet because he doesn't have the tattoos,
Speaker 1: so this must have been some kind of gang initiation
Speaker 1: to give up to quote, give up a queer boy
Speaker 1: in your family. And the guy's like, he's not in
Speaker 1: my family, so he's he We can tell he didn't
Speaker 1: really want to do the crime, but he's not exactly
Speaker 1: an ally. Benson is questioning Marisol at the same time,
Speaker 1: and Munch is asking. Rollin's like, oh, you brought girl
Speaker 1: in all by yourself, and like he definitely knows something's up.
Speaker 1: He knows that like Finn is fully dipping his dipping
Speaker 1: his hands into this case a little bit. Sezar won't
Speaker 1: admit to the gun or anything about this attack, and
Speaker 1: then Amarro's like, cool, no prob I'm just gonna pin
Speaker 1: the gun on your baby. Mama. She's going to have
Speaker 1: the baby in prison. She's going to blame you, and
Speaker 1: he's like, no, okay, the gun's mine and Amara's like, no,
Speaker 1: you tell me about everything that happened with Alejandro or
Speaker 1: the gun.
Speaker 3: Is still hers.
Speaker 1: Next thing we see is all these purps being brought in.
Speaker 1: Alejandro and Barry Flocco the first victim, id all of them.
Speaker 1: Szar says he'll testify. So this whole piece of the
Speaker 1: episode is kind of wrapping up. But it's only the
Speaker 1: end of act one, so what's going on that We're
Speaker 1: definitely gonna head somewhere else, as we usually do on
Speaker 1: these s few journeys. Next thing we see is a
Speaker 1: guy walking down the street. A van pulls up. Guys
Speaker 1: jump out, put a hood on him and throw them
Speaker 1: in a van, and when he turns we see that
Speaker 1: it's Tony Hale, one of the greatest comedic actors of
Speaker 1: all time. We're both huge VIP fans, so love to
Speaker 1: see him in a little dramatic role here. So now
Speaker 1: in the hospital, Tony Hale has his arm in a
Speaker 1: sling and he's like, SVU, is this about these attacks
Speaker 1: in the news, I'm not gay again? In SVU, everyone
Speaker 1: knows every crime that's happening in the city, like everyone
Speaker 1: knows all of the patterns and is like I read
Speaker 1: about this and I'm not.
Speaker 2: Also, maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like Tony Hale's
Speaker 2: an SVU fan, Like I think this was a big
Speaker 2: deal for him.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe we maybe we can find an interview or
Speaker 1: something and see.
Speaker 2: I just get the vibe that he is into Benson
Speaker 2: and is paying attention to what's happening. I just get
Speaker 2: that because that's just that's how I feel. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you know he's a Sex and the City person.
Speaker 3: Do you know that? Oh? Really? How do you know?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: I saw him in the show.
Speaker 1: But wait, he was in the show?
Speaker 3: Yes, who is he?
Speaker 2: When Samantha is feeling good about her body and does
Speaker 2: a naked photo shoot, he is the assistant to the photographer.
Speaker 1: Oh, Lisa, these are the things about Sex and the
Speaker 1: City that you clocked that I well.
Speaker 2: I mean because he, like the photographer goes, we'll put
Speaker 2: music on to make you feel comfortable, and she goes,
Speaker 2: I'm comfortable, and like strips down and puts her leg up,
Speaker 2: and then Tony Hall makes a face that we can
Speaker 2: imagine of just like you know, raw, you know jaw
Speaker 2: drops and he's googling her when he should be working.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, see I must have seen that before I
Speaker 1: knew who he was, and I have maybe I haven't
Speaker 1: revisited that episode. But nothing gets by you with sex
Speaker 1: and the city. So I bet you he does love Benson,
Speaker 1: if that's the vibe you're getting. Anyway, he's in the hospital,
Speaker 1: He's like, I wasn't sexually assaulted. They were calling me like,
Speaker 1: you know, homophobic slurs, but I'm not gay. And he
Speaker 1: says the van smelled like dirt, okay, and he and weirdly,
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't want to press charges. I just
Speaker 1: want to go home, Which that is kind of weird.
Speaker 1: Like if you were just fully innocent and got attacked
Speaker 1: on the street, I think you'd probably.
Speaker 2: Wow some kind of you don't want people to know
Speaker 2: you're gay, you might not want to pressure charges. Sure, Also,
Speaker 2: what does dirt smell like?
Speaker 3: Like an earthy, earthy kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I think if you got into
Speaker 1: a van that like like a guard was like a
Speaker 1: gardener's van or something, or a landscaping van, you'd be like,
Speaker 1: I smell dirt. I don't know, but good question. He
Speaker 1: doesn't want to press charges. He just wants to go home,
Speaker 1: So yes, you could. That could make you think, oh,
Speaker 1: this is like a guy that's closed.
Speaker 2: We talk about this all the time that pressing charges
Speaker 2: and going through the court system and the cop sometimes isn't.
Speaker 1: Worth it to people, you know, like oh for sure,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: I just like, no, I don't want to testify and
Speaker 3: fuck all of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just feel like I thought that was
Speaker 1: like more kind of prevalent with sexual assault because people
Speaker 1: just don't believe women as much. But if someone like
Speaker 1: most men would probably be like, oh, somebody beat me
Speaker 1: up out of nowhere. Yeah, press charges. But you're right,
Speaker 1: everyone has their own story and their own feelings towards
Speaker 1: the cop. So who knows?
Speaker 3: Because I also bet he was sexually assaulted. Maybe not?
Speaker 1: You think he was, Maybe not.
Speaker 3: Said they kicked him in the balls.
Speaker 1: Now we're at the hospital and Finn is with Ken,
Speaker 1: who tells him Alahundra doesn't really have any family in
Speaker 1: New York. I guess besides this, like gangbanger cousin's boyfriend,
Speaker 1: his father stopped speaking to him when he came out,
Speaker 1: So that's probably why Allehandra was like, don't tell my
Speaker 1: family about this. So now the cops are kind of brainstorming,
Speaker 1: and they're like, maybe this is totally unrelated to these
Speaker 1: BX nine guys. Tony Hale, who we find out his
Speaker 1: character's name is Rick Simms, is a high school math
Speaker 1: teacher recently separated from his lawyer wife, and Munch, who
Speaker 1: loves to commiserate with a divorced man, is like, Oh,
Speaker 1: if there's mud to throw, it'll be the ex wife.
Speaker 1: Go talk to her. So she confirms Rick is not gay,
Speaker 1: not that I think a wife would always know that,
Speaker 1: but she says they separated because Rick couldn't commit to
Speaker 1: a career. He was a wall streeter when she met him,
Speaker 1: then he said he found no joy in it. And
Speaker 1: then three years ago he became a teacher, and then
Speaker 1: three weeks ago he quit that. So I guess that's
Speaker 1: why they're separating, because she just can't handle him making
Speaker 1: a career change. So now we're at the Millicent Fawcett
Speaker 1: School where the detectives are talking to the headmaster about,
Speaker 1: you know, the circumstances of Rick's firing or leaving the
Speaker 1: school or whatever he says he left he quit or whatever.
Speaker 1: But the school is like, is that what he told you?
Speaker 1: So you're getting a sense that that's not the truth.
Speaker 1: And then in Walks Joanne Parsons, who was played by
Speaker 1: Jane Adams. I know we're recording this a little bit
Speaker 1: oead of schedule. She was just nominated today as a
Speaker 1: guest appearance in Hacks.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I saw that, but it took me forever to
Speaker 3: put her.
Speaker 2: I just can't believe what a powerful actor such a
Speaker 2: small role to get nominated for.
Speaker 3: She's in like two scenes the whole series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to make Salter nomination.
Speaker 3: Where's that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Really, where's that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Gurly, they're not ready. They're not ready for Megan. That's good,
Speaker 2: collect I just I don't know so I caught. No,
Speaker 2: I'm not pittying actresses against each other. I hope they
Speaker 2: all win.
Speaker 1: My favorite line of Meg's when she goes coming up
Speaker 1: with ideas for emails my job.
Speaker 3: Yah.
Speaker 1: But I love this actress. This actress is so good.
Speaker 1: I first saw her in the movie Happiness, which is
Speaker 1: like an extremely fucked up movie.
Speaker 3: I love her. In Hacks, she was in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: She had an amazing episode with Donald Glover, and she's.
Speaker 3: Just like one of these three character actresses. I gotta
Speaker 3: find out where I know her from.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know her, like her IMDb is extensive.
Speaker 1: I feel like she's just a very good actress. She's
Speaker 1: the head of the upper school named Joanne Parsons, and
Speaker 1: she's you know, she looks very like sort of startled
Speaker 1: by the whole police presence of it all, and like
Speaker 1: talking about this teacher and the headmaster says the circumstances
Speaker 1: of Sims's departure are confidential.
Speaker 3: Wait, she's in your favorite show. She's in Claus.
Speaker 1: What is she in class?
Speaker 3: She's Gladys Coleman Perett. I don't know how many episodes
Speaker 3: does it say?
Speaker 1: Four?
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: What's embarrassing is when I'm like, where do I know
Speaker 2: this person from? And it's like from SVU, you idiot,
Speaker 2: That's like, that is why you're doing this.
Speaker 3: It's not from anything else. It is a CEO.
Speaker 1: You don't recognize her from anything else.
Speaker 3: Orange County. She's in Orange County.
Speaker 2: That's my favorite movie one of We were just talking
Speaker 2: about Skyler Fisk, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes, Mike White, you know we.
Speaker 1: Were just talking about it, Yes, Colin Hanks, we were
Speaker 1: just talking about it. I think she's just one of
Speaker 1: those people that, yeah, like pops up in all kinds
Speaker 1: of like things, because she's just sort of like, she's
Speaker 1: very good. She's very unassuming and very good. I think so. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the headmaster is basically like, I can't talk to you
Speaker 1: about this lawyer's YadA YadA, And Joanne has a face like, uh,
Speaker 1: like she clearly wants to talk and no one's letting
Speaker 1: her talk. So they're walking out Tomorrow and Benson and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, let's see if she's in any of
Speaker 1: these photos on the wall, And there's a photo of
Speaker 1: Joanne Rick and Betty Gilpin the actress, and then they
Speaker 1: go talk to her and she's playing a teacher named
Speaker 1: Natalie Releas. I love Betty Gilpin. I loved her a
Speaker 1: Nurse Jackie. That's where I first saw her. And then
Speaker 1: my husband worked on a movie with her and said
Speaker 1: that she turned apart that was so small into like
Speaker 1: a really really great part. He thinks she's like ridiculously talented.
Speaker 3: I'm a huge Betty Gilpin fan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I love we love Glow, I mean
Speaker 1: I love Glow.
Speaker 3: Do you love never seen glow?
Speaker 1: Oh? I feel like you'd really like it.
Speaker 2: I would, but it's hard to commit. Sometimes there's a lot.
Speaker 2: There's a lot out there.
Speaker 1: But if you don't know by now, you got to
Speaker 1: google her because we just gave you twenty of her credits.
Speaker 1: And she's kind they're kind of playing.
Speaker 2: But I'm not surprised by her because when I saw
Speaker 2: her in Nurse Jackie, not that I thought one trick pony,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, okay, hot, beautiful, whatever, get it. And
Speaker 2: then with every role she just like blows me away
Speaker 2: and does something different. And you know, not just because
Speaker 2: she colors her hair sometimes, like truly does so many
Speaker 2: different types of acting and I like that well.
Speaker 1: And I also think the cool thing is that even
Speaker 1: in Nurse Jackie, where she's kind of like a full bitch,
Speaker 1: you do like her, like there is something likable about
Speaker 1: her even though she's like this very selfish bitch.
Speaker 3: In that show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't because when you said bitch, I'm like, she's
Speaker 3: not a bitch. She's but yeah, she's like.
Speaker 1: A I mean, she takes advantage. She's always like can
Speaker 1: you do my shift?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Like you know, she's like spoiled and like you know.
Speaker 1: From what I remember of Nurse Jackie, which I watched
Speaker 1: a while ago, So they kind of play her the detectives.
Speaker 1: They played Betty Gipen's character a little bit. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we know about the thing that happened, and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you know about the thing, and like then she
Speaker 1: kind of gives them information, but they're just like bluffing
Speaker 1: her basically, and she's like, as soon as I found
Speaker 1: out what happened, I went to the administration. They said
Speaker 1: they would take care of it.
Speaker 3: So she's definitely like she's like, I can't say anymore.
Speaker 1: I'll get fired. So they go back to Rick and
Speaker 1: they know some allegation has happened, because now Natalie has
Speaker 1: sort of let that out of the bag. Rick's like,
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything. I love being a teacher. He's
Speaker 1: really sticking by his story. He's like, three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: Joanne called me in and said someone had made an accusation.
Speaker 1: I have no idea who accused me or what the
Speaker 1: accusation was, but in this system, to be accused is
Speaker 1: to be guilty, which we've seen in many many sviews
Speaker 1: of like a little kid makes an accusation and like
Speaker 1: in dissonant voices, like he is accused and then his
Speaker 1: career is over even though he's fully innocent, so you
Speaker 1: know he's not wrong there. So Olivia starts to put
Speaker 1: together the theory that maybe the parent of the molested
Speaker 1: kid is the one who you know, organized this beating
Speaker 1: and framed it as a gay bash. Rollins goes through
Speaker 1: the directory, figures that Sims would have picked somebody who's
Speaker 1: a little bit of an outsider, not an Upper east Side,
Speaker 1: upper crust, you know, kid, And so they narrow down
Speaker 1: the names and they find this kid from New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Finn and Rollins go check it out, and Rollin's and
Speaker 1: Finn up kind of like a nice moment where they're
Speaker 1: checking in. I feel like this is the development of
Speaker 1: their friendship a little bit at the beginning, and you know,
Speaker 1: she's checking in about how Alejandro's do and Finn like,
Speaker 1: I see is a good actor, like he really like
Speaker 1: seems like really this guy he hasn't even ever met before,
Speaker 1: he's almost treating like a son of his who's in
Speaker 1: the hospital.
Speaker 3: It's kind of nice.
Speaker 1: So they got out to Jersey. They talked to Ray
Speaker 1: Gaberdelli at his produce distribution warehouse thing and he basically
Speaker 1: admits to it immediately. He's like, I did it, and
Speaker 1: I do it again.
Speaker 3: My favorite, that's my favorite. I love that.
Speaker 2: I love a confident criminal that's like, yeah, I'll do
Speaker 2: it eight hundred more times. That's maybe a dream. That's
Speaker 2: another dream part of SVO. I would love to be
Speaker 2: someone that's just like, uh huh, yeah, and what did it?
Speaker 1: And I do it again? And he's like, I didn't
Speaker 1: want my son to be humiliated in public, so I
Speaker 1: took care of it. So they go talk to his son,
Speaker 1: whose name is Luca.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is an issue for me.
Speaker 2: There's no way a working class Jersey family is naming
Speaker 2: their boy Luca. They're scared of him being a little gay.
Speaker 2: They're calling him Luca.
Speaker 1: That's it is very popular name in Italy.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Oh, it's an Italian name. Okay. To me,
Speaker 3: it's like Hillary Duff's kids name.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like a Hollywood there's Skyler, there's Pippin,
Speaker 2: and there's Luca.
Speaker 1: The newest Pixar movie is called Luca, but it's set
Speaker 1: in Italy.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Because to me.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the present you bought for Rosie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's spell different in my brain. I understand
Speaker 2: everything now it's Italian. I rest my case.
Speaker 1: I am rong.
Speaker 4: Okay to me, I was.
Speaker 2: Just like I thought it was just such a hipster
Speaker 2: name that I'm like, there's no fucking way his name
Speaker 2: is Luca.
Speaker 3: But now I get it.
Speaker 1: But you're right. But you're right though. This episode is
Speaker 1: from like what twenty thirteen or something, and I think, oh, no,
Speaker 1: it's from twenty twelve, this episode, and I think that's
Speaker 1: pre the name Luca really having like the hipster moment
Speaker 1: that it's been having.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's an Italian name. Yes.
Speaker 2: Oh and I just saw Goberdelli and I thought giored Elli.
Speaker 2: I'm like the chocolate company. They should Why is he
Speaker 2: doing manual labor.
Speaker 1: He's the heir to the Jiared Chocolate fortune, but he's
Speaker 1: just randomly selling vegetables.
Speaker 3: I just want to be an heiress. Okay, I would
Speaker 3: be great.
Speaker 1: But you recognize this kid who plays Luca. Did you
Speaker 1: ever watch Thirteen Reasons Why?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Okay, He's a major character in Thirteen Reasons Why, and
Speaker 1: I've seen him in a couple of other little things.
Speaker 1: But that's I think his big thing. I stopped watching
Speaker 1: that show because I literally hated it so much. It
Speaker 1: made high school look like a full nightmare all the time.
Speaker 1: He asks for his mom to leave so he can
Speaker 1: like talk to the cops about like what happened to him,
Speaker 1: and he says, I don't want to talk about it,
Speaker 1: like I'm over it. He's gone from the school. That's
Speaker 1: all I cared about. And then they make him tell
Speaker 1: his story and he's like, a month ago, mister Sims
Speaker 1: made me stay after class about my grades. He said
Speaker 1: he'd look out for me if I looked out for him.
Speaker 1: And then we kind of get the impression just from
Speaker 1: that little exchange that that's enough, Like his story is enough,
Speaker 1: So they go. They cut to Sim's getting arrested at
Speaker 1: the preescinct. He's like, absolutely not, I did not molest Luca,
Speaker 1: and Olivia is going in pretty hard on him, especially
Speaker 1: with the stigma around being gay. She's like, kids do
Speaker 1: not make this kind of stuff up, you know, like so,
Speaker 1: and Sims is like, I'm sticking to his story. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gay, I'm not a pedophile. And then at
Speaker 1: that moment, his wife sends an attorney in and She's like,
Speaker 1: we'll settle it in the divorce, which is oof tough
Speaker 1: and like they're kind of talking about it behind the glass,
Speaker 1: like this guy has no record, no priors.
Speaker 3: He seems genuinely blindsided.
Speaker 1: And Cabot's like, go back to the school, bet the
Speaker 1: details of Luca's story. So they all go to the school.
Speaker 1: We find out that Luca disclosed to Natalie. She said
Speaker 1: she was teaching a lesson about human sexuality and Luca
Speaker 1: got all read and started tearing up, and that she
Speaker 1: later asked him about it. He confessed that mister Sims
Speaker 1: had unzipped his pants and asked Luca to put his
Speaker 1: hands on his penis. When Luca said no, he started
Speaker 1: touching himself. And then we're getting the story from Joanne,
Speaker 1: and she's just like drinking tea like a very dainty
Speaker 1: little cup, which I think is like part of her character.
Speaker 1: It's like just a funny little detail to me, like
Speaker 1: that she's just like sort of like nervously drinking out
Speaker 1: of a tea cup. And her story is like a
Speaker 1: little bit different. It's that like he put his hands
Speaker 1: on Luca's penis or something like that. Like basically everyone's
Speaker 1: telling the story with like a slight difference, and Joanne
Speaker 1: says that she's been concerned about Luca for a while
Speaker 1: and has had several conferences with him. So Amara and
Speaker 1: Benson go back to Luca to ask him to repeat
Speaker 1: his story, and he's definitely stumbling on details a little bit,
Speaker 1: and Tomorrow's like ramping up the questioning. He's like, so,
Speaker 1: did he pull his pants down? Or did he put
Speaker 1: his dick through the zipper? Was he erect? Was he circumcised?
Speaker 1: Like what's the story? And it kind of like reminds
Speaker 1: me of a joke I do where like I was
Speaker 1: jerked off to when I was in eighth grade walking
Speaker 1: in my neighborhood and the police asked me was he erect?
Speaker 1: And I was like, is that going to be how
Speaker 1: you find him?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna put on an APB for a guy
Speaker 1: with a huge boner? Like I don't understand why that's important,
Speaker 1: but I guess in this situation, it is important to
Speaker 1: trip up a kid that you think is lying about
Speaker 1: being molested. So Amara is like badgering him a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I feel like if you talked to a female
Speaker 1: victim like this, Benson would have shot him. In the face,
Speaker 1: but she kind of lets him go because she knows
Speaker 1: also that Lucas lying. Finn and Rollins now are having
Speaker 1: another moment about Finn's son, and he's like, my son's
Speaker 1: had it so rough being black being gay, and she's like,
Speaker 1: you never had a problem with Ken being gay and
Speaker 1: he's like no, and she's like never, and he's like
Speaker 1: he goes, okay, I had to address it. I don't
Speaker 1: really know what this response means, but he said, mostly
Speaker 1: I'm just scared. Well keeps me up at night, is
Speaker 1: that I work in SVU and I've always been scared
Speaker 1: of like these bad things happening to my son. So
Speaker 1: Finn's acting like he's never had a problem with his
Speaker 1: son being gay, but you just watched a bunch of
Speaker 1: episodes with him, and is that true?
Speaker 2: He was just an absent father, So like the gay
Speaker 2: thing is like, I think it seems like Ice was
Speaker 2: more hurt that Ken didn't come to him to talk
Speaker 2: about it. But Ken's like, you were never in my life,
Speaker 2: Like why don't I even know who you are?
Speaker 3: Why would I ever talked to you?
Speaker 2: And so that's kind of the case where like with
Speaker 2: this episode with Munch and then like Ken has a
Speaker 2: close relationship with Benson, like he has close relationships with
Speaker 2: people around his father, but not, Yeah, no, it took
Speaker 2: a while for them to get tight. Like he would
Speaker 2: help with case anytime there was a gay case.
Speaker 3: I is showing it. You know, I need your gay help.
Speaker 1: So now the detectives are shooting the shit about Luca
Speaker 1: with their checking their theories against each other and everything,
Speaker 1: and they're like, wait a sec Like if this all
Speaker 1: happened with him getting molested a month ago, that's one thing,
Speaker 1: but his grades have been slipping for a lot longer,
Speaker 1: for like months. And then at that moment, Luca and
Speaker 1: his mom show up at the precinct, and this is
Speaker 1: where we find out Luca is fully pivoting his story
Speaker 1: and saying that the person who really molested him is Joanne,
Speaker 1: the very delicate head of the Upper School played by
Speaker 1: Jane Adams. He says that Joanne made him have sex
Speaker 1: with her in her office and also in her home,
Speaker 1: and he describes her room in her home, saying she
Speaker 1: has a four poster bed, embroidered pillows and a book
Speaker 1: of poetry on her nightstand called The Pearl. And he
Speaker 1: also happens to remember that she has a birthmark on
Speaker 1: her inner thigh, shaped like a question mark, which is
Speaker 1: a while that's wild. Yes, So now they the cops
Speaker 1: bust into Joanne's house with a warrant.
Speaker 3: She's like, why do you have to come in?
Speaker 1: What's happening? Like she's very breathless and like nervous this woman,
Speaker 1: and they are like, her house is kind of amazing
Speaker 1: in New York. It's in Brooklyn. It's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: a huge, like it doesn't even seem like a brownstone.
Speaker 1: It feels like a free standing maybe one of those
Speaker 1: green Point houses or something. It's like multiple floors, lots
Speaker 1: of woodwork. She's got a huge, hot pink bedroom and
Speaker 1: everything in her bedroom is as Luca described it.
Speaker 3: The bed, the pillows, the book, it's all there.
Speaker 1: And then we get a scene of Joanne in the
Speaker 1: precinct with her leg up on a chair and Olivia
Speaker 1: is taking photos of her inner thigh and it's like,
Speaker 1: can you inter skirt up a little bit?
Speaker 3: And I feel like a lot of our viewers are probably.
Speaker 2: That was a really crazy scene for NBC. She's like
Speaker 2: fully spread eagle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've never seen Benson ever take a photo
Speaker 1: of like injuries or of anything before.
Speaker 3: So it's just like someone called in six so she
Speaker 3: had to do it.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'll take the pictures, and then in the
Speaker 1: next scene she's holding the camera. So the next scene
Speaker 1: she's interrogating Joanne and she's like, Luca's lying. She starts
Speaker 1: to get overwhelmed while she's defending herself, and then she
Speaker 1: fully keels over and faints, So it's very Jane Austen.
Speaker 1: At the top of Act four, Joane Parsons is out
Speaker 1: on bail. Her rich aunt, who apparently gave her this
Speaker 1: big house in Brooklyn has gotten her out on bail,
Speaker 1: and Cabot's like, Luca's already lied. I'm gonna need more
Speaker 1: than just his testimony if I'm gonna keep going with
Speaker 1: this case. Rollins reveals that Joanne did switch schools three
Speaker 1: years ago from Lynden Forest Academy, so they go there
Speaker 1: to check it out, and who is the head master
Speaker 1: none other than Snoop Dogg's best friend, Martha Stewart. And
Speaker 1: I love this. I remember when this came on, when
Speaker 1: I watched this episode live, I was like, I love
Speaker 1: Martha Stewart trying to act. I mean she's basically playing herself,
Speaker 1: which is funny. Like she's just like a proper woman
Speaker 1: who memorized her lines. You know, what did you think
Speaker 1: of Martha's work?
Speaker 3: I was excited to see her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she gives us a lot of great insight
Speaker 1: about Joanne. She's like Joanne never left for anything sketchy,
Speaker 1: she didn't molest anybody. She's just very emotionally vulnerable. She
Speaker 1: had a nervous breakdown when a fellow teacher got married.
Speaker 1: And like Rollin's like eyes are like okay, red flags,
Speaker 1: like this woman is a lesbian. But of course Martha
Speaker 1: Stewart's from that like older generation where it's like she
Speaker 1: was very sad that her friend was unavailable to her
Speaker 1: now because of getting married. And it's like, yeah, Martha,
Speaker 1: that's not what happening. Like she is in love with
Speaker 1: this woman. And Martha says, Joanne belongs in another era.
Speaker 1: This one is just too harsh for her. And I
Speaker 1: always remember this line that she says, because I feel
Speaker 1: like I've met people like this. I've met people where
Speaker 1: I'm like, you belong in like a different time, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I was a page with
Speaker 1: a girl where I was like you just feel like
Speaker 1: you're not from today. You feel like you're from another
Speaker 1: time where like you need to lie on a fainting
Speaker 1: couch and like, you know, entertain guests in the parlor.
Speaker 3: Girl, do you know? This off topic?
Speaker 2: But in my head it all tied together while you
Speaker 2: were talking. So because thinking who belongs in a different era?
Speaker 2: Do you remember in the Hills there was like a
Speaker 2: girl that came from New York that worked. That was
Speaker 2: another intern from Vogue who was like killing it and
Speaker 2: made Whitney and Elsie feel insecure about herself. She knew
Speaker 2: the names of every flower and seating arrangements and was
Speaker 2: so professional.
Speaker 3: What was her name? It doesn't matter. She's the creator
Speaker 3: of Glossier.
Speaker 1: Whoa.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe she belongs in this era.
Speaker 2: But when she knew the names of all the flowers,
Speaker 2: that's what like when you said people who belie at
Speaker 2: a different time, I'm like, maybe this home ach girl,
Speaker 2: but yeah she is. I learned that she created glossy. Wow,
Speaker 2: not that impressive. She's a rich kid. Her parents saw her.
Speaker 2: She's like a hair finny girl. But glossy packaging is nice,
Speaker 2: that's true. The products I could give her take, but
Speaker 2: the packaging is beautiful.
Speaker 3: Interesting. I've only used a couple things.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Also, I was at a party and someone was using
Speaker 2: Thrive lip gloss and.
Speaker 3: I went, oh my god, do you have a podcast?
Speaker 2: I have the same lip gloss And they go, we
Speaker 2: found this on the floor. It must be yours, and
Speaker 2: it was mine, but they were using it.
Speaker 1: Do you have a podcast? I think you should ask
Speaker 1: that to everybody you see wearing a Harper Wild bra, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you have a podcast.
Speaker 2: But also in the era of COVID, who's picking up
Speaker 2: a loose lip gloss at a party and putting it
Speaker 2: on their mouths?
Speaker 1: They were putting it on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, A group of three girls were like this girl.
Speaker 2: Mind is like, yeah, we've all been putting this on.
Speaker 2: I go with a lip gloss you found. I mean
Speaker 2: I took it. It's in my purse. I'm using it.
Speaker 2: But I just think it's like, while they all used it,
Speaker 2: my mouth is on the phone right now. I think
Speaker 2: I missed that detail when you first said it. What Yeah, fuck, okay, anyway,
Speaker 2: I really through you for not really through me.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that anybody is picking up lip glass
Speaker 1: off the floor and fucking using it.
Speaker 3: It's like a wand but then I put my purse.
Speaker 2: But when we went went to like walk around the
Speaker 2: party again, it fell out of my purse again, and
Speaker 2: they're like, keep your thrive in the bag.
Speaker 1: And wow, Lisa, you're what if you were just at
Speaker 1: that party just letting girls use it and being like
Speaker 1: the code, the promo code is SVU, like trying to
Speaker 1: get trying to man on the street, get us more
Speaker 1: advertising dollars. So Rollins and Benson leave that school. Basically, Okay,
Speaker 1: Joanne is into women, So what's going on? Like why
Speaker 1: wouldn't you have just said I'm a lesbian? Like why
Speaker 1: would I touch a young boy or whatever? And Olivia
Speaker 1: gets a text at that moment and we find out
Speaker 1: that two hours ago, Joanne tried to take her own
Speaker 1: life by filling her pockets with rocks and walking into
Speaker 1: Prospect Park Lake, which is how Virginia Wolf tried to
Speaker 1: or did kill herself, And Munch calls it out.
Speaker 3: And is like, oh who is she Virginia Wolf?
Speaker 1: So like very much connected to another era, and they
Speaker 1: could at times they couldn't let anyone else say.
Speaker 3: The line, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: They were like, well no, no, Rollins isn't reading, you know, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: Munch is the only one who would know that.
Speaker 3: And that's no shade to Rollins. I'm not, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not. I don't think she's an English major.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So Munch tells Olivia, here's a hint from
Speaker 1: somebody also from another era. Bring her some flowers or
Speaker 1: a sachet of lavender when you meet her. So interesting,
Speaker 1: and they go and now we're at the hospital and
Speaker 1: Olivia does bring her a bouquet of lilies, and she's
Speaker 1: fully delighted, and I mean, I feel like she's every
Speaker 1: romantic lesbian's dream is to have Olivia Benson bring them
Speaker 1: lilies to their mental hospital, right, Like that's a lovely gesture.
Speaker 1: She still denies doing an to Luca, and she's like,
Speaker 1: it's not what you think. We're dear friends. And Benson
Speaker 1: kind of just jumps on the Natalie thing immediately. Did
Speaker 1: you notice this, Like I kind of noticed that there
Speaker 1: was no she never really mentioned her at all. And
Speaker 1: then she was just like you and Natalie, and she
Speaker 1: was like yes, and it was just a jump, I thought.
Speaker 1: But Benson gets her to spill all the tea about
Speaker 1: her friendship with Natalie saying they love the same things.
Speaker 1: They visited botanical gardens, blah blah blah. They are were
Speaker 1: so content with one another. Why did the friendship end?
Speaker 1: And she's like, because of Luca. He's a manipulator and
Speaker 1: a liar. She saw them together at the school in
Speaker 1: the rare book archive. Do you remember the rare book
Speaker 1: archive at your high school, Lisa, No, I remember the
Speaker 1: rare book archive at my high school so fondly like
Speaker 1: these up these these Upper east Side schools are hilarious.
Speaker 2: Also, it's like this motherfucking Luca ruining adult after adult
Speaker 2: after adults lives. Yeah, with lies, crazy pair. I mean,
Speaker 2: come on, I mean no, he's victim.
Speaker 1: He's the but he's the victim.
Speaker 3: It's tough, he's the victim.
Speaker 1: But I hate this. Yeah, no, you do think he's
Speaker 1: like because he is kind of just like finding random
Speaker 1: people to pin things.
Speaker 2: And the guy Tony Hale got the shit beat out,
Speaker 2: not only fired all these accusations but beaten up physical harm.
Speaker 2: You know, this woman's getting arrested having to show her
Speaker 2: coach to Benson for a photo shoot, and you know
Speaker 2: it's it sucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, for she's in a mental institution right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not going great for anybody that's been
Speaker 1: in contact with this kid anyway. She basically is like
Speaker 1: she saw Luca and Natalie doing it basically in the
Speaker 1: rare book archive, and she's like, she looks so sad.
Speaker 3: She promised she would stop, but she didn't.
Speaker 1: So it's like, obviously her feelings for this woman are
Speaker 1: clouding her judgment because she didn't go right to the authorities.
Speaker 1: The next week, right after she discovered them, she is
Speaker 1: brought into the headmaster's office and that's when they accused
Speaker 1: Rick Simms, and she's like, Luca's clever, he came up
Speaker 1: with this cover story. So she is so blinded by
Speaker 1: her crush on Natalie that she can only think that
Speaker 1: Luca is the mastermind behind all this, when like clearly
Speaker 1: he's not. And she couldn't tell them it was Natalie
Speaker 1: because it would have destroyed her. She cares so much
Speaker 1: about Natalie and how this all affects her, she's not
Speaker 1: really thinking of the kid in the situation. So now
Speaker 1: Natalie's at the precinct with a lawyer. She's denying it all,
Speaker 1: saying she feels sorry for Joanne John's obsessed with her,
Speaker 1: and she's really putting on the show and it's very
Speaker 1: kind of easy to see that she's lying. But they
Speaker 1: can't charge her right now, but they will tell Luca's
Speaker 1: family and the school what's going on. So then in
Speaker 1: the next scene, Finn is due, sorry, did you want
Speaker 1: to see sing?
Speaker 3: No, I just know what's gonna happen. I'm annoy it.
Speaker 1: So in the next scene, Finn is rushing to the
Speaker 1: hospital because Alejandra had emerged to see surgery and is
Speaker 1: now in a coma. And when he gets there, he
Speaker 1: finds out Ken can't go in the room because as
Speaker 1: a courtesy, he called Alejandro's homophobic dad, who came and
Speaker 1: then flipped out when he saw them holding hands, declared
Speaker 1: himself next to Kent and got Ken kicked out.
Speaker 2: Actually, this is so I wish I remember the exact wording,
Speaker 2: because Pat Reagan is so funny. But I listened to
Speaker 2: his podcast with Kat Cohen and he was saying, like,
Speaker 2: gay rights is just being able to get into the
Speaker 2: hospital room, Like it's so sad. It's like such minimal
Speaker 2: thing where it's like the goal is just to be
Speaker 2: able to like go into the hospital room with someone
Speaker 2: you love, like, it's so fucked up there people committed
Speaker 2: to making sure people cannot be in a hospital room.
Speaker 3: With your loved one.
Speaker 2: But he said it really funny, but the sentiment is important.
Speaker 1: Yes, No, that's what I say to people about my
Speaker 1: brother and his fiance. I'm just like, to you don't
Speaker 1: think they should be able to be in the same
Speaker 1: room together, like if anyone is against gay marriage, and like,
Speaker 1: you don't think that he should be able to go
Speaker 1: visit him in the hospital or have access to any
Speaker 1: of his assets when he passes away after a forty
Speaker 1: year relationship.
Speaker 3: And what do they say?
Speaker 1: They say, Oh, well, of course I want them to
Speaker 1: have those rights, but they think all those rights should
Speaker 1: just be folded into civil unions. It's crazy anyway, I'm
Speaker 1: dealing with ill people. Finn wants to talk to Alejandro's dad.
Speaker 1: He's like, where's the dad? I want to talk to him.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately we never see this conversation, and I would have
Speaker 1: loved to have seen it.
Speaker 3: I really would have loved to see Finn an.
Speaker 1: Alejandro's dad man to man having a conversation where it's like, look,
Speaker 1: our sons are in love. What are you going to
Speaker 1: do about it, but we don't see it. We find
Speaker 1: out that Luca's dad is like, doesn't he's not really
Speaker 1: remorseful about having the guy beat up, and he's pretty
Speaker 1: like happy that his son is banging a hot teacher.
Speaker 3: Like it's a very different sentiment than that's why I
Speaker 3: signed earlier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a very different high five sentiment when
Speaker 1: your son when a female teacher as a relationship or
Speaker 1: assaults excuse me, a teenage boy than the other way around.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I feel so often when you know,
Speaker 2: my night's at comedy club's like arguing about rape, fun past,
Speaker 2: but it's always.
Speaker 3: Like, well, men get abused, what about boy?
Speaker 2: And I go yeah, And usually I have to convince
Speaker 2: men it's a problem. I go, Usually, like the guys
Speaker 2: that try to bring up that men are also abused
Speaker 2: are also the same men that are like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 2: this teen fucked a hot teacher.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like you guys are actually not the ones taking
Speaker 2: it seriously, and you're the ones who say it's different,
Speaker 2: and you're only throwing it in my face because of you,
Speaker 2: you know, you want to prove something. But yeah, it
Speaker 2: is interesting where I'm like no, I usually feel like
Speaker 2: I'm the one convincing people it is still a crime,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, Okay, So now a huge twist happens where
Speaker 1: Luca Munch gets a call that Luca's gone off the
Speaker 1: deep end, locked himself in the biology lab.
Speaker 3: With Natalie as his hostage.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, So now in the next scene,
Speaker 1: we're close up on Luca and Amara is just trying
Speaker 1: to talk him down, and he's just like, she did
Speaker 1: this to you. She's the perpetrator. Luc's like, I bought
Speaker 1: us train tickets to go to Montreal. I told her
Speaker 1: I could speak French. I said we could get a
Speaker 1: place there.
Speaker 3: She said no, she.
Speaker 1: Said we had to stop and not tell anyone. So
Speaker 1: then as the camera like moves out, we see that
Speaker 1: he's holding a scalpel in his own hand and he's
Speaker 1: covered in blood. And then we spin the around and
Speaker 1: we kind of see that Natalie is lying dead on
Speaker 1: the floor in a pool of blood. Like that is
Speaker 1: really really a twist, Like you kind of think you're
Speaker 1: going to just see her like huddled under a table,
Speaker 1: like please don't hurt me, but like he's fully already
Speaker 1: killed her and with a scalpel, like he must have
Speaker 1: seriously nicked an artery in order for her to be
Speaker 1: lying in a pool of blood like that with a scalpel,
Speaker 1: such a small little weapon, very brutal and great camera work.
Speaker 2: I just looked up the director because I was like,
Speaker 2: that's pretty interesting. We've not seen that on SVU, and
Speaker 2: he actually is. He's a camera operator. So he's been
Speaker 2: a camera operator for tons and tons of stuff and
Speaker 2: for SVU ninety three episodes camera operator, and they.
Speaker 1: Let him direct an episode more than one. He directed
Speaker 1: six episodes moving up. Wow, So he has like.
Speaker 2: Two directing credits SVU and Criminal Intent, and then he's
Speaker 2: done some cinematography.
Speaker 3: But he's a camera operator, So that's really cool.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that happens a lot, if camera operators
Speaker 1: move up to director, if that's like a thing that
Speaker 1: happens in the business.
Speaker 2: Or if that's even I didn't realize that was even
Speaker 2: the plan at hand. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: if someone's a production assistant, maybe they want to produce later, yeah,
Speaker 2: or if you're I don't know, I don't know too
Speaker 2: many jobs.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying, that's why I'm wondering. I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if that's like a jump that gets made a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the cameramen at drag Race that have
Speaker 1: been cameramen there forever. I don't think that they're ever
Speaker 1: going to like do directing, but maybe they want to,
Speaker 1: who knows.
Speaker 2: Yeah a nice union job, but yeah, so I just
Speaker 2: you know, as a camera operator, maybe that gave him
Speaker 2: extra to the bits of directing, knowing how to total voice thing.
Speaker 3: But then this is very interesting.
Speaker 1: Luca goes, basically in response to the whole plan about
Speaker 1: them away together, she laughed. Why would she laugh? And
Speaker 1: that reminds me of that famous saying men are scared
Speaker 1: that women are going to laugh at them. Women are
Speaker 1: scared the men are going to kill them. So obviously
Speaker 1: being laughed at by a woman set this kid off.
Speaker 1: But also she had been molesting him, so there was
Speaker 1: a lot of emotional stuff going on there. She told
Speaker 1: Luca she was getting married in June. I want to
Speaker 1: meet her fiance.
Speaker 3: Who's this fool?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And he's like, I loved her, I really
Speaker 1: loved her. And then Amaro gets close enough where he
Speaker 1: can get the knife from him from Luca, and then
Speaker 1: the final scene is Finn at Alejandro's bedside and Alejandro
Speaker 1: is still unconscious and Finn's just talking to him and
Speaker 1: he's just letting him know, like the guys who did
Speaker 1: this are booked for federal hate crimes. They're never getting out.
Speaker 1: And since you're going to be my son in law,
Speaker 1: I just want to say I'm sorry we didn't get
Speaker 1: to meet before this. And it's just like a sweet
Speaker 1: moment with iced Tea and his future son in law
Speaker 1: and then Dick Wolf. This episode is really twisty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, star studied twisty, multi victim, multi perpetrator, lots of stuff.
Speaker 3: Because Luca, it's like, your.
Speaker 2: Parents are bad parents and now you're going to jail
Speaker 2: for life, so have fun.
Speaker 3: Have fun in prison, not jail prison. I finally remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember when I find that found that out.
Speaker 1: I was also shocked.
Speaker 3: I did not know there was a difference between the
Speaker 3: two and Betty Gilpin.
Speaker 2: That's a Bingo SVU moment, laying in a pile of
Speaker 2: your own blood bingo.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I'm interested in what terrible Oh god, is
Speaker 1: it really value? Okay, Well, if anyone's gonna tell me
Speaker 1: about it, I'm happy that it's you.
Speaker 2: So this crime happened in New York City. So I'm
Speaker 2: assuming Kara, you remember, I know you remember it.
Speaker 3: No, I don't really.
Speaker 1: I was gonna tell you this is one of my
Speaker 1: only ones where I'm like, I don't know about this one.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm shocked, shocked, I know.
Speaker 2: So it sucks like they I don't like it.
Speaker 3: It'd be weird if I love the crime, if.
Speaker 1: You were like, this crime is really tickling me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can we just have a bank robbery one time?
Speaker 2: JK it's sbu Okay. So basically there's nine attackers in
Speaker 2: this story. They range in age from sixteen to twenty three,
Speaker 2: and they're all part of a gang that's called the
Speaker 2: Latin King Goonies. Okay, so these are the Goonies. Okay, Wait,
Speaker 2: so do.
Speaker 1: You know what is the difference between this and the
Speaker 1: Latin Kings, the regular Latin Kings and the Latin King.
Speaker 2: You would be an amazing investigative reporter. Did not even
Speaker 2: cross my mind. I just I took I took it
Speaker 2: at face value and went all right, subsect of the
Speaker 2: Latin Kings, maybe it's West Coast, and then this is
Speaker 2: the East Coast contingent or Bronx in Brooklyn. Maybe there's
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but I'm sure Hannah's looking up.
Speaker 3: Hannah will figure it out.
Speaker 2: There's one article here that says the Latin King goonies
Speaker 2: aspired to join the real Latin Kings, but honestly.
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure of the difference.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, and they all this attack happened in a
Speaker 2: home in the Bronx that was vacant for a while.
Speaker 2: So this group of guys moved in there as squatters,
Speaker 2: and they.
Speaker 3: Hosted loud parties.
Speaker 2: And weirdly, the house was across the street from a
Speaker 2: public school. I don't know how they got how that happened,
Speaker 2: and they called it the gooney house. The neighbors called
Speaker 2: it the gooney house in the neighborhood. And there were
Speaker 2: a dozen piples guarding the place. Yikes, which I like.
Speaker 1: Put. You know, I love pipples. I love pipples. I
Speaker 1: just think you have a dozen until two nothing good
Speaker 1: is going on. Yeah, yeah, you have one or two rescues.
Speaker 1: I love you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just breedy.
Speaker 2: I love when Cardi visits her pit bulls and she's
Speaker 2: just like in a head to toe gown and there's
Speaker 2: all these dolls. Yeah, so one weekend in October of
Speaker 2: twenty ten, they attacked one thirty year old man and
Speaker 2: two teenagers. So one of the teens knew the thirty
Speaker 2: year old man and wanted to join the gang, and
Speaker 2: another was just a loose teen. So they grabbed the
Speaker 2: first teen on Sunday at three point thirty in the
Speaker 2: morning and took the teen to the house, slammed him
Speaker 2: into a wall. They beat him, stripped him naked, slashed
Speaker 2: him with a box cutter, hit him on the head
Speaker 2: with a can of beer, and sodomized him with a
Speaker 2: wooden handle of a plunger.
Speaker 3: This went on for hours.
Speaker 2: It sucked, so then the gang members just let him
Speaker 2: loose and told him to keep quiet or they would
Speaker 2: hurt his friends and family, and since they knew each
Speaker 2: other from the neighborhood, he took that very seriously. So
Speaker 2: the teen walked himself to a nearby hospital and said
Speaker 2: he was just jumped by a bunch of strangers and
Speaker 2: robbed and didn't give more details. So eight thirty pm Sunday,
Speaker 2: the members grabbed a second seventeen year old boy, beating
Speaker 2: him and asking about his thirty year old friend, and
Speaker 2: the teen admitted that he had had sex with a
Speaker 2: thirty year old man. They took his jewelry and held him.
Speaker 2: And during this time that they're holding the teen, they
Speaker 2: found the thirty year old and they invited him to
Speaker 2: a party. They're like, come over, we're having a party,
Speaker 2: and the thirty year old was like, sweet, I'll come
Speaker 2: party with you guys.
Speaker 3: When he arrived for the party, I was not a party.
Speaker 2: So he shows up at Osborne Place and Morris Heights
Speaker 2: in the Bronx to the goony house and he brought
Speaker 2: to the party ten tall cans of four Loco with him. Obviously,
Speaker 2: we know what's going to happen is not funny. Nothing
Speaker 2: is funny about this, but this part is funny. And
Speaker 2: I just for Loco. He's ready to party with ten
Speaker 2: tall boys. It was already ten tall boys baby, and
Speaker 2: the witnesses say he cleaned out the store of its
Speaker 2: entire stock of for Loco. So I think, I bet
Speaker 2: you went into like a bodega and just like sure,
Speaker 2: you know, and went out to have a good fucking time.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately he go out to this house. They forced
Speaker 2: him to strip to his underwear and tied him to
Speaker 2: a chair. They made him drink all of the cans,
Speaker 2: which are ten to twelve percent alcohol, so, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Fucked up.
Speaker 2: They sodomized him with a small bat, they burned him
Speaker 2: with cigarettes, They whipped him with a chain, and this
Speaker 2: was because he was gay. And then they made the
Speaker 2: second team attack the thirty year old. And so while
Speaker 2: the teen was attacking the thirty year old, they all
Speaker 2: like shouted gay slurs at them while the teen hit
Speaker 2: him in the face and burned him with cigarettes. And
Speaker 2: then they made and then they made them have sex.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah, it's just bad. While the man
Speaker 2: was held captive, five of the Latin King goonies went
Speaker 2: to the man's house to rob him, and he shared
Speaker 2: that house with his forty year old brother. They used
Speaker 2: a key, They took the key off the thirty year
Speaker 2: old to get into his house, and they found the brother,
Speaker 2: the forty year old, in bed. They pulled a blanket
Speaker 2: over his head and hit him, demanding money, and he
Speaker 2: refused to comply with them. So basically they put a
Speaker 2: cell phone to his ear, and on the other hand,
Speaker 2: he heard his younger brother's voice being like give them
Speaker 2: fucking money, Like.
Speaker 1: What are you?
Speaker 2: I also just can't imagine any any part of my being.
Speaker 2: If five people came into my home in the middle
Speaker 2: of the night beating me asking for money, that I
Speaker 2: would go, nah, yeah, I'm keeping this money.
Speaker 1: Like I don't I take it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I just I don't understand why it's one against
Speaker 2: fi Fine, one guy, you're gonna fight him five against one.
Speaker 2: It's fucked up. And that's like kind of the vibe
Speaker 2: of this whole crime. You know, it was nine against one,
Speaker 2: nine against two. These are cowards, These are it's a
Speaker 2: gang attack. These are like a group of people beating
Speaker 2: the shit out of someone that can't fight back in
Speaker 2: any fucking way.
Speaker 3: This is really disgusting behavior.
Speaker 1: I do think about what people would take if they
Speaker 1: came to my house, and I'm like, there's not that much.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe our laptops. I don't have. I never
Speaker 1: have cash. I just don't have much.
Speaker 3: We have a lot of technology TVs. They would take
Speaker 3: your TV's laptops.
Speaker 2: They would maybe go to the garage if they had
Speaker 2: an inside scoop.
Speaker 1: Please, I don't told about the treasures in my garage.
Speaker 1: I have some of Liza's clothes in my garage. Those
Speaker 1: are up for grabs. Yeah, if you live in la
Speaker 1: and you want some clothes, I have it. Well, Kara
Speaker 1: has them, but yeah, I can't imagine fighting. But they
Speaker 1: didn't need much. That's that's the weird thing.
Speaker 2: Like one of my old friends, she got pistol lipped
Speaker 2: in Lincoln Park in Chicago and beating the shit out
Speaker 2: of They broke.
Speaker 3: Her jaw all of it.
Speaker 2: It was like a brutal attack, and they went to McDonald's.
Speaker 2: They like took her debit, like the first charge was McDonald's.
Speaker 2: Like they've ruined this girl's life, her whole Josh, she
Speaker 2: still like you know, has gaps in her teeth for McDonald's.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So some of these robberies are weird when they're not
Speaker 2: Like I understand you want to steal a Picasso, some diamonds, right,
Speaker 2: a Kardashian necklace that I understand, but beating the shit or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like I understand like if you're stealing
Speaker 1: to feed your family or something, but if you're just
Speaker 1: like teens going to McDonald's, it's like kind of not
Speaker 1: the same situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the brother finally gave in and gave them a
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in cash to debit cards and a fifty
Speaker 2: two inch television. But then things get kind of strained
Speaker 2: with this brother. He handles everything after this poorly. And
Speaker 2: I know, I always say, we can't expect people to
Speaker 2: acknormal when abnormal things happened to them, but it's weird.
Speaker 2: So like they tied him up and everything, and then
Speaker 2: so the brother freed himself three hours later and called
Speaker 2: the cops, but didn't mention that his brother was being
Speaker 2: held captive. Like I wonder if he was also scared
Speaker 2: of the gang activity, Like I don't, because that's what's
Speaker 2: happening with the dispenser in our neighborhood. The person that
Speaker 2: was killed was in a gang, and so now the
Speaker 2: gang is trying to kill the security guard. Like you know,
Speaker 2: the place keeps getting tagged. They have to be on
Speaker 2: full surveillance, and like the gang is not going to
Speaker 2: let it go, even though their gang members started the problems.
Speaker 2: So I was talking to someone else in our neighborhood
Speaker 2: and I was like, our neighborhood has to rally behind
Speaker 2: our fucking dispensary and our people, like we all fucking
Speaker 2: frequent it, and he goes, I think people are scared
Speaker 2: because there's gang activity, Like you're going to be fighting
Speaker 2: for this place, But like you do you really want
Speaker 2: to get involved in gang stuff?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: But yeah, they keep getting tagged and it's it's scary.
Speaker 2: But there's more bulletproof glass than ever before. It is scarier. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So that's the only thing I can think of why
Speaker 2: this brother would only mention the robbery. So Monday morning
Speaker 2: they go to the house to investigate, and they saw
Speaker 2: the thirty year old man passed out on the landing
Speaker 2: from alcohol he consumed. But the cops had no reason
Speaker 2: to believe he had been a victim of a crime,
Speaker 2: so they didn't question him or anything. They just let
Speaker 2: him be drunk on the stew But it's like he
Speaker 2: was clearly burned and probably had markings of an attack.
Speaker 2: Like they beat him for a while, tied him to chair,
Speaker 2: Like I don't understand this. The cops then got extra
Speaker 2: confused because they didn't understand how the robbers entered the
Speaker 2: home without using force. So then the thirty year old
Speaker 2: said that he had been picked up in a van
Speaker 2: by strangers and forced to give his keys.
Speaker 3: An address to someone.
Speaker 2: He told the cops he was robbed near nineteen ten Osborne,
Speaker 2: and cops tried to get a warrant, but didn't have
Speaker 2: enough cause to get the warrant. Then late on Tuesday,
Speaker 2: the second teenager walked into the Bronx police station and
Speaker 2: gave a version of what happened. And none of the
Speaker 2: three men in their first interviews with police told the
Speaker 2: whole truth, not one of them, and so that kind
Speaker 2: of plays into the episode, a little bit of like
Speaker 2: why don't you want to let people know you're gay?
Speaker 2: And what neighbor drin and all of that, And I
Speaker 2: think there's a reason we don't know any of these victims'
Speaker 2: names as well.
Speaker 3: It's all by age.
Speaker 2: I don't think they wanted to release any of this information,
Speaker 2: which is.
Speaker 3: Sad, but everyone is allowed to have privacy.
Speaker 2: But once the second team gave the same address, they
Speaker 2: were able to get a search warrant, so they go
Speaker 2: Wednesday morning. The officers enter the house and were surprised
Speaker 2: to see it was immaculate, fresh coats of paint, the
Speaker 2: smell of bleach. They covered everything up, bleach every down,
Speaker 2: like bleached the fuck out. They said it was one
Speaker 2: of the most clean crime scenes they had ever seen.
Speaker 2: Rugs were ripped out, linoleum was ripped out like they
Speaker 2: fucking went at this house. But the detectives were able
Speaker 2: to scrape some evidence. They got some pubic hares and
Speaker 2: empty liquor cans. But it seems like, how did you
Speaker 2: leave the cans pubes? I get secret? You know her
Speaker 2: is hard, but yeah, why would you know?
Speaker 3: Those pubes are basically invisible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the most crucial clue for police in this
Speaker 2: case happened Wednesday when a note was slipped to a
Speaker 2: police officer by someone outside the crime scene. And this
Speaker 2: is always my favorite because it's not even like good
Speaker 2: police work or detective work or when you watch forensic files.
Speaker 2: This happens a lot where it's like a case is
Speaker 2: dead and then eight years later someone is like, I
Speaker 2: have information, and then that's how it's solved. It's very
Speaker 2: rarely the cops JK, I don't know. But someone gave
Speaker 2: them a piece of paper. The note had a number
Speaker 2: on it, and the detective called and was given the
Speaker 2: name of the man who is believed to be the
Speaker 2: leader of the group of nine, Ildefonso Mendez. By Wednesday night,
Speaker 2: all three victims had given full accounts, so for the
Speaker 2: next thirty six hours, the officers worked with a hate
Speaker 2: Crimes task Force, the Gang Division, and the Special Victims Squad,
Speaker 2: and they all worked together to get the list of
Speaker 2: nine suspects, and then the rest began Thursday. So this
Speaker 2: was pretty quick, you know, if it happened Saturday night,
Speaker 2: Sunday morning, and by Thursday already full arrest. But I
Speaker 2: wonder what would have happened if the guy didn't slip
Speaker 2: the paper, you know, right? And then what I find
Speaker 2: interesting in a lot of the crimes that we discuss
Speaker 2: is when the mothers are always like, my son could
Speaker 2: never do this, and they like defend their sons.
Speaker 1: And this happened.
Speaker 2: So one of the suspects mothers told ABC New York
Speaker 2: station WABC TV, so I'm assuming a local news affiliate
Speaker 2: of ABC. In quotes, she was like, this cannot be
Speaker 2: my son. He could not be involved in such a
Speaker 2: heinous crime. And it's like he is. But I just
Speaker 2: found that interesting that like a common thread is this.
Speaker 2: So seven suspects were rested right away. One suspect confessed.
Speaker 2: They were initially charged with hate crimes, but the prosecutors
Speaker 2: couldn't pursue it as a hate crime because the victims
Speaker 2: didn't want to testify at a trial, and the gang
Speaker 2: members obviously were not willing to plead to the hate crimes,
Speaker 2: so that had to die. Wow, the victims were down
Speaker 2: with the punishments. They wanted to find a way to
Speaker 2: adequately punish individuals but also avoid testifying. So the victims
Speaker 2: were fine with this. They did not want to testify.
Speaker 2: The leader of the Streaking Adelphonso Mendez, got fourteen years.
Speaker 2: He pleaded guilty and said he took full responsibility for
Speaker 2: everything that happened. So I'm sure he's like popular in
Speaker 2: jail since he is like a no snitch gang guy.
Speaker 3: And then the.
Speaker 2: Rest of the guys, like the charges were all mixed back.
Speaker 2: Some burglary, some robbery, some attempted gang assault, stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So that's what the charges were.
Speaker 2: And the shortest sentence was two to six years. And
Speaker 2: like I said, the leader got fourteen years, So everyone's
Speaker 2: in between there, some four years, some you know, thirteen years.
Speaker 2: I think you guys all know what in between means.
Speaker 3: And so they went to prison.
Speaker 2: Some are you know, there's a lot of local news
Speaker 2: stuff of like this person tried to get out on bail,
Speaker 2: this person's getting released, this person's that this person had
Speaker 2: a hearing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that, damn.
Speaker 2: And now we have a guest that is a regular,
Speaker 2: So I think you guys are in for a treat.
Speaker 1: Okay, our guests today were so excited to talk to him.
Speaker 1: You've seen him on the Wire One Tree Hill, CSI Miami,
Speaker 1: but you've been seeing him for decades regularly on SVU
Speaker 1: as Finn's son Ken Randall, played by actor Ernest Waddell.
Speaker 1: Here's our chat with Ernest Perfectest.
Speaker 3: I'm Liza Highness, I'm Kara Hi.
Speaker 2: I mean, you've been on SVU for so long, but
Speaker 2: your first episode, you were not finn Son, you were
Speaker 2: not Ken, you were a man named Terrell. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: how did it come about that you came back as Ken?
Speaker 3: Did you audition? Did they ask you? And how did
Speaker 3: you feel?
Speaker 4: I was when I played Terrell, I was literally like
Speaker 4: in an.
Speaker 5: Opening of an sview episode, like playing basketball, Like I
Speaker 5: don't even know if you could make out my face.
Speaker 5: It was just a quick scene, you know, playing basketball.
Speaker 5: But after that, I just saw audition. I just went
Speaker 5: in for finn Son and I booked it and that
Speaker 5: was that. I mean, it was it was It was
Speaker 5: your typical you know, acting job.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's typical being iced sy sid
Speaker 1: and like it's this part that's like been sort of
Speaker 1: recurring over the past like fifteen like for the space
Speaker 1: of fifteen years or something.
Speaker 3: Right, we've seen you grow.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, a long time. Many changes.
Speaker 5: That's one of the cool things that that's that's been
Speaker 5: cool about coming back to the show is just throughout
Speaker 5: the years, I get to see the different ways people
Speaker 5: make television, you know, all the little changes, you know,
Speaker 5: companies buy up different companies, and there has just been
Speaker 5: so many changes.
Speaker 4: Over fifteen years. But it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: Anything noticeable, like on the set, like from your first
Speaker 1: episodes in like the early two thousands to like now
Speaker 1: in more recent years.
Speaker 4: I mean, so many things.
Speaker 5: I mean when I first started, they were shooting on
Speaker 5: film and I you know, I remember specifically, like this
Speaker 5: one time, getting in trouble because they said, oh, you know,
Speaker 5: if you if you need another take, just go ahead
Speaker 5: and take it, just let me know.
Speaker 4: And I asked for a couple takes and they were like.
Speaker 5: Oh, these are costing you know, ten to fifteen grand
Speaker 5: a take.
Speaker 4: Let's let's pick it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And then we've talked to Neil bar
Speaker 2: a couple of times, and we do love him a lot.
Speaker 2: He knows everything, and he was telling us about how
Speaker 2: we created your character and the purpose and all that.
Speaker 2: Did you guys chat about that?
Speaker 3: Were you?
Speaker 4: We chatted a little bit. He probably told you more
Speaker 4: than he told me.
Speaker 2: Oh, Neil was just saying that he gave Finn like
Speaker 2: a gay son to help him grow as a person
Speaker 2: and become better and more open minded than you were,
Speaker 2: like the vehicle to make Finn a better person. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I was wondering if you knew like you got
Speaker 2: you knew that up or maybe not?
Speaker 3: Or was that just Neil gossip?
Speaker 5: I got that impression from the role and you know,
Speaker 5: I see he gives off that kind of you know,
Speaker 5: the swag. So this was a different shade of him
Speaker 5: and it was cool because I felt that for ice,
Speaker 5: like every time I would come in, just like I
Speaker 5: think he was very aware that Okay, it's time for
Speaker 5: me to like give it a different side of myself
Speaker 5: and right like not.
Speaker 1: Just mister tough guy all the time, Like this is
Speaker 1: a full the softer side of Finn, the soft and
Speaker 1: Ken is an incredible person.
Speaker 2: Like we uh, we like jam packed watched all of
Speaker 2: your episodes and he's like helping dig up a body.
Speaker 2: He's helping me. He's like he's a social worker. He's
Speaker 2: helping this kid like work with his ish. Such a
Speaker 2: good person? Was that always the plan to make you
Speaker 2: an angel on the planet?
Speaker 5: Hey, I get the scripts, and but it's great. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm going to fight crime next right.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking, since you have been on for so long,
Speaker 2: do you have a favorite DA or defense attorney? Where
Speaker 2: if this was the real world and you needed a lawyer,
Speaker 2: who would you be hiring?
Speaker 4: Probably Barba Wow, okay.
Speaker 5: Just because you know, like I got to sit and
Speaker 5: watch some of his scenes and I was just I
Speaker 5: just thought, Oh, this guy's a brilliant actor.
Speaker 4: I just you know, I think I just like.
Speaker 3: To work with a movie Our listeners want to have
Speaker 3: sex with him.
Speaker 1: I can see that.
Speaker 3: There is number one? How was it working.
Speaker 2: With our favorite probably our favorite guest star?
Speaker 3: Ludacris?
Speaker 5: Ludacris. Ludacris is fun. You know, It's just fun to
Speaker 5: be around rappers, that's all. Yeah, just bigger than life personality.
Speaker 3: That is a rule.
Speaker 1: That is a definite rule to life. It's just fun
Speaker 1: to be around rappers.
Speaker 2: True, does he does he come to set with a rapper?
Speaker 2: Like what is the rapper energy? That's fun? Is he
Speaker 2: getting high on set or no?
Speaker 4: No, no, just you know, just supreme confidence. I just
Speaker 4: remember saying, oh, you know, where do you live? Or
Speaker 4: I was just trying to chat him up, make conversation,
Speaker 4: and he was like, right now, I kind of live everywhere.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a citizen of the world.
Speaker 5: He's a citizen of the world. Yeah, and Ice kind
Speaker 5: of has that too. But like, I love just coming
Speaker 5: in and just listening to ICE's stories. He's got a
Speaker 5: story about everything. I mean, he's lived such a such
Speaker 5: a long life, you know, such a crazy life.
Speaker 1: Have you gotten to know Coco at all? Or Baby
Speaker 1: Baby Chanelle? Who is?
Speaker 4: I've met them.
Speaker 5: I haven't talked to them too much, but I've had
Speaker 5: a couple of conversations with Coco.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but because I think technically Chanelle's like your half sister.
Speaker 5: Right, it looks just like Ice. I've been seeing these memes,
Speaker 5: the memes. She's glowing up right now. Do you have
Speaker 5: a favorite episode you did? I really I love the
Speaker 5: one where I'm you know, digging up the body and
Speaker 5: I'm arguing with Chris Maloney and he's kind of like
Speaker 5: interrogating me.
Speaker 4: That was a lot of fun. I mean, all of
Speaker 4: them were fun.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, once I branched out of the
Speaker 5: uh they had me in a swayed jacket for years.
Speaker 5: Once I branched out of that, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, no, that's so interesting you brought up the jacket
Speaker 2: because I've recently noticed as we loves to put people
Speaker 2: in three layers. Yes, like it's always and you wore
Speaker 2: three layers a lot. Is there a secret or is
Speaker 2: that just like real, Like did you talk about.
Speaker 3: The wardrobe war and every time you had to put
Speaker 3: on three shirts?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: I think that they just I think they just had
Speaker 5: a had an idea of what Ken was supposed to
Speaker 5: look like, feel like, you know, the affect of his persona.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's how you say it, but he,
Speaker 5: you know, Ken is very endearing. I think all the
Speaker 5: clothes they wanted to put me in were very endearing.
Speaker 5: You know, there was a little element of like maybe
Speaker 5: that swayed you know, maybe because Ice was in leather
Speaker 5: jackets they put me in a I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good that's a that's an interesting observation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like softer versus hard.
Speaker 1: Interesting. How was the most recent episode you were on
Speaker 1: this past season. Weren't you there for Finn's non wedding.
Speaker 4: Yes, I loved it. It was great. You know, I
Speaker 4: got to work with Jennifershposito. That was cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to come back.
Speaker 4: The whole cast was there, so it was a lot
Speaker 4: of fun.
Speaker 5: It was the end of the season, so it was
Speaker 5: I think everybody was just in a great mood, and
Speaker 5: you know, it was just kind of like a like
Speaker 5: an end of the school year sort of vibe.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was just a good time.
Speaker 1: Also, such a tough season with COVID and everything. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that they were like happy that they made it through,
Speaker 1: and like you know.
Speaker 5: Lots of tests, you know, tests right before you shoot, tests,
Speaker 5: three days, you know, test before the so yeah, it
Speaker 5: was it was pretty intense, but everybody was pretty chill.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: It was a it was a nice time for sure.
Speaker 2: And then we noticed that you right produce direct like
Speaker 2: a lot of your own projects and act and so
Speaker 2: was there anything you've learned with your years on SVU
Speaker 2: on such a like big, long lasting show that you've
Speaker 2: taken to your own projects and your own process.
Speaker 4: Absolutely just how to move quick. I think that that's
Speaker 4: one of the things.
Speaker 5: That SBU really shines at, is like they know that
Speaker 5: process so well, you know, and the timing of it. Okay,
Speaker 5: we're going to rehearse, Okay, we're gonna do this, We're
Speaker 5: gonna do that. Okay, we're gonna shoot you guys, come
Speaker 5: back in five minutes. Like it's so you know lockstep
Speaker 5: that I learned a time.
Speaker 3: That was fun. He's such a nice guy.
Speaker 2: It was really incredible to talk to him and someone
Speaker 2: that has spanned the show for such a long time.
Speaker 3: It felt very special.
Speaker 1: Hopefully in future episodes they'll be a little there'll be
Speaker 1: a little ken Allehandro family moment.
Speaker 3: I want to see more of their like fam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, take a little baby out of the carrier, have
Speaker 2: a little shake it, Caries Careesy make a cute comment. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe have Rollin's daughters an earnest little baby play together.
Speaker 1: But Noah's not invited. We hate Noah.
Speaker 3: You hate Noah. I hate Noah. You hate Noah.
Speaker 1: Hates a strong word. I find him annoying. Let's get
Speaker 1: into our post mortem. What did we learn from today.
Speaker 2: Lie, don't lie, don't ruin people's lives, stop it, don't
Speaker 2: false accused teachers. Yeah no, don't gay bash. It's like,
Speaker 2: oh god, the world's a nightmare. Don't slit your teacher's throat.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of lessons in this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I have. I have like sort
Speaker 1: of mixed feelings about all the Mary kay Leturno stuff
Speaker 1: that is like always put in the media, because I know,
Speaker 1: we talked about this on another episode where I was like,
Speaker 1: why are they making that show a teacher, Like like,
Speaker 1: that's sorry, it's a teacher, but I'm saying a teacher
Speaker 1: on Hulu, And then a Budge whole wrote me on
Speaker 1: our Socials and we're like, no, that's actually a great
Speaker 1: show that shows about how they traumatize the boy. So
Speaker 1: that's great. I'm glad that that's out there. Let's all
Speaker 1: watch a teacher. But I feel like what I learned
Speaker 1: or what I knew is that like, it's not going
Speaker 1: to work out with you and your teacher, even though
Speaker 1: it did with Mary Kayla Tourno.
Speaker 3: She did marry her student, but I don't think.
Speaker 1: Anybody was happy they got a divorce. They ended up
Speaker 1: getting divorced and she actually passed recently. But she's never
Speaker 1: going to come to Montreal with you. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: that you have two years of high school French. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna work.
Speaker 2: Well, I blame his father, Yeah, I blame his father.
Speaker 2: I blame him, I blame everything.
Speaker 3: And yeah. Also, if you know.
Speaker 2: That someone like this unrequited lesbian crush on, you don't
Speaker 2: try to make it look like they committed a crime.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Yeah, it's just a lot.
Speaker 2: But this is star studded. So I did enjoy that.
Speaker 1: In terms of episode, Yes, I also learned that schools
Speaker 1: have rare book archives. Congratulations. If you have a rare
Speaker 1: book archive in your school, you are going to have
Speaker 1: a good life.
Speaker 2: The Bari yesterday there was all these people wildly from
Speaker 2: my old high school. Really yeah, and we got to
Speaker 2: chatting and we were talking about the theater department, and
Speaker 2: the people that were not from our high school were shocked.
Speaker 3: And I did have really cool stuff at my high school.
Speaker 2: But we had an incredible theater department, like costume shop,
Speaker 2: set design thing, like we did eight shows a year.
Speaker 3: I was in a kabuki production. I did a show.
Speaker 2: I did a Charlotte's Web where our set was like
Speaker 2: a book and we traveled with it and went to
Speaker 2: schools and performed the party like you've told me about that,
Speaker 2: Like we just did some. I took a sports marketing
Speaker 2: class in my high school. I did a weightlifting I
Speaker 2: did rock climbing for an elective in gym, like I
Speaker 2: think you know.
Speaker 3: And I was a.
Speaker 2: Public school in the suburbs, but not rare books. But
Speaker 2: I guess I came from a really great place.
Speaker 1: And one night, have you not been highlighted on their
Speaker 1: notable alumni?
Speaker 3: Not famous enough yet?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what to do, but they're,
Speaker 1: like you know, are from the degenerates class of two thousand.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I've talked about how we do.
Speaker 2: We do have a former supermodel from our high school
Speaker 2: who dated Leonardo DiCaprio, So she'll always be number one
Speaker 2: no matter how many Oscars anyone wins once you date Leo.
Speaker 3: That's the topic.
Speaker 1: What's your name?
Speaker 2: Our name is Aaron Heatherton. Oh that is she was
Speaker 2: a victorious secret angel.
Speaker 3: I mean she was. She's incredible.
Speaker 2: I think she's back in Chicago and open like a
Speaker 2: Pilates studio or something. And as far as my stalking
Speaker 2: goes on the internet. But little Esther is a comedian
Speaker 2: who also went to my high school. We were in
Speaker 2: Godspell together. I think that's a fun little connect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I only went to high school with
Speaker 1: Catherine Heigel and Madison.
Speaker 3: For million Dollar Listing, I think that's huge.
Speaker 2: Oh and oh yeah, I like that the Yeah, I
Speaker 2: wonder because we repeat in our personal lives, we repeat
Speaker 2: the same things over and over again, and I wonder
Speaker 2: what's going to happen with the future of this podcast,
Speaker 2: like in a few years. They're like, we know about
Speaker 2: Aaron Heatherton. You don't have to talk about her again.
Speaker 1: Hannah already does that.
Speaker 3: Hannah's like, I try to cut it out.
Speaker 1: She's like, how would I know about your high school
Speaker 1: Charlotte's web production if you hadn't already said it on
Speaker 1: the podcast.
Speaker 3: But it was wild meeting all these Skoche girls.
Speaker 2: But it also I've actually I also at the park
Speaker 2: ran into like all these people that walk dogs recognize
Speaker 2: my sister's dog and they're like, Bai And so I
Speaker 2: met up with this dog walking community in the suburbs
Speaker 2: that all knew my dad and my brother in law,
Speaker 2: and so I'm talking all these dog Walker people, but
Speaker 2: they all went you know, one of them went to
Speaker 2: my high school too. But like we're old, I'm old
Speaker 2: now they're graduating twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, twenty ten.
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't call yourself old, because if you're old,
Speaker 1: then what am I? I mean, everyone knows I'm a
Speaker 1: couple of years older than you.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's not about old or not. Everything I know.
Speaker 2: I'm a young human. I hopefully have decades of living
Speaker 2: to do. It's not like a self deprecating thing. It's
Speaker 2: just suddenly a thing where I see myself as twenty three.
Speaker 2: Always like yeah, even though I have gray hair, I'm
Speaker 2: just like kind of chillin and living my life. Especially
Speaker 2: being in Chicago. Now it's like, oh, I'm regressing. So
Speaker 2: it's just a shock to be like, oh, whoa, Okay,
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm a grown woman.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's hop into our what would Sister peg do?
Speaker 1: Segment where we give you guys resources organizations that can
Speaker 1: you can donate too, or you can go to find
Speaker 1: more information about the subjects that we touched on in
Speaker 1: today's episode, and this week we're highlighting an amazing organization.
Speaker 1: I love this organization, the Trevor Project. That's www dot
Speaker 1: the Trevor Project dot org. If you watch Drag Race,
Speaker 1: they talk about the Trevor Project all the time. It's
Speaker 1: the leading national organization providing crisis intervention and suicide prevention
Speaker 1: services to the LGBTQ plus community and young people under
Speaker 1: twenty five. Trained counselors are there to support twenty four
Speaker 1: to seven. So if you're a young person in crisis
Speaker 1: or need a safe space to talk, you can call
Speaker 1: the Trevor Lifeline at one eight six six four eight
Speaker 1: eight seven three eight six. But you can also go
Speaker 1: to Trevor Project dot org to find out a lot
Speaker 1: more about what they do.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for that, Kara, And because I've
Speaker 2: heard of the Trevor Project, but I didn't know all.
Speaker 3: The full details about it, So thank you for that.
Speaker 2: Get involved, bitches, And then next week we will be
Speaker 2: covering Signature. That's season nine, episode twelve, watching on Hulu, VPN, Stix, Amazon, No,
Speaker 2: what's the other one, Peacock. The episodes are out there.
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