WEBVTT - Learning Curve w/ Ernest Waddell 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.200 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:28.400 Done done, Yay. 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.680 Hello, Welcome to That's Mess Step, an SVU podcast. 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:32.600 My name is Lisa. 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.440 Hi, Hi, my name is Kara, and you guys know 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.240 the drill. Every week we dive into an SVU episode, 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.280 the true crime it's based on, and then we chat 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.520 with an actor or a person involved with the show. 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:50.319 But first we catch up, We binter, we gab Lisa up. 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:51.480 Well. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.519 I don't know if anyone saw on Instagram, but I 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.600 did find the Maloney Men's Health in person at the 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.440 Walgreens in Old Town in Chicago, and I'm happy to 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:01.520 have it in my possess. 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.120 It was hard to find. Yeah, he looks great. 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.400 I was at airports, I was at jewel I was 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.200 like running around and I couldn't find and I was 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:10.399 so happy. 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:11.240 To have found. 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:12.840 I should have bought a few more maybe I will, 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:14.959 but happy to have him in my presence. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:19.080 I think that's awesome. I think it's really impressive. How 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.000 I mean, everything on the internet or like on Twitter 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:27.080 last for it feels like two days and Stabler and 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.840 like the SVU hype has been going on now for 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.759 like a couple of months. He just keeps doing photo shoots, 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.240 the butt, the earrings. I mean, it's just like it 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.520 just keeps feeling like he's really riding this wave, like 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.600 all the way into the next season of OC. And 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.200 of course what I want to talk about is I 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:46.960 want to talk about it not because I want to 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.040 talk about it, but because everyone's writing to us about it. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.520 Did you see this troll that Hargatea and Maloney did 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:58.160 where they posted a photo of themselves inches away from kissing, 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.200 but to be honest, the same distance that l it 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.080 is usually away from a purp when he's like, yeah, 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.200 knew what you did, you piece of shit. Like he's 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.360 always looks like he's about to kiss someone and so 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.840 they are in like a almost kiss. They're fully trolling people. 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.440 I don't think we're ever gonna get what they would be, but. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:13.280 I want it. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:15.799 That's the thing, Like these people could want whatever they want. 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.440 I want better for Benson. I don't want a man 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.600 who like toyed with her emotions for decades, ditched her ass, 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:25.120 no call, no showed, and yeah, finally when his wife 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.639 dies is like, fine, all right, I'll give you something. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:28.760 I don't want that for her. 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.000 I want someone who's going to go out of his 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.520 way to be with Olivia Benson knows the prize that 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.160 she is and support her in her lifestyle. Maybe a 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.520 man with money who can just take care of Noah 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.200 while she's at work or something like. I don't want 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.840 a man who won't go to therapy to be in 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.280 Benson's life. That's not what I want for her. 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.360 And I feel like if they were real people, they 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.720 would be they would they would just like fuck one 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.720 time and it would like not go great, Yeah, you're 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.080 what have we all been talking about for twenty years? 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.360 Like they would it would be too weird. They'd be 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.000 like I felt like I was with my brother. It 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:01.640 would be weird. 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:02.760 You know, you're right. 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.120 If this was real life, he would have definitely cheated 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:06.520 on his wife and they would have fucked in the 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.440 back of the car one time for sure, and then 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.280 he would have felt guilty and then she would have 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.160 switched partners. Yeah, if this was real life, there's no 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.280 way there wouldn't be cheating. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.480 Yeah, I think it's definitely hotter to leave it up 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.520 in the air forever, and I think that's what Neil 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:23.920 basically has alluded to with us. But anyway, I wanted 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:25.720 to get your take on it because it feels like 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.800 every we were getting many many tags. We need you 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:30.160 to weigh in on this, We need you to weigh 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.760 in on this, and like I, I just I think 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.520 it's very clear. I don't mind your ships and who 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.520 you guys are obsessed with, but I just am not, 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:41.000 Like I'm really not a huge like Benseler forever kind 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.400 of person. I love them together as like working together 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:45.720 on the show, but I just. 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.280 Don't need to see it was it was a hot 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:49.920 little photo. 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:51.040 I'll say that. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.000 Yes, of course I like people having fun on Instagram, 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.400 you know, like yeah, yeah, but it is wild they are. 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.000 It's like, bro, you're sixty, get off the ground. 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:00.880 No. 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:05.080 I love a troll, I love a trick, I love 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.640 a kiss. I like it all and I'm here for it. 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:12.160 I just would love for our character Olivia Benson to 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:17.360 get a bigger love story then you get, you know, any. 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.960 Because also our our Marishka Hargatea is with a much 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:22.560 hotter man in real life, so we don't need to 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.200 worry about her. We're just talking about Benson the character. 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:26.240 Yes. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:32.040 Also, I just wanted to really quickly bring up just 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.000 to follow up, because a couple of people wrote in 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.960 to us about the woman that Lisa met at the 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.279 store who went silent when Lisa suggested, oh, do you 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:41.400 love to paint? 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.520 So I get a text from Kara with a photo 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.200 of the employee, going, is this the girl? And I 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.680 think I've been drunk. Okay, I have to be honest 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.920 with the listeners. I have been drunk. I've been drunk 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.240 for days. I something happens to me in Chicago. 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.520 I know because I've texted you a few times and 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.640 been raided silence. And it wasn't until I sent you 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.200 a picture of the daughter girl that I got you 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.080 to write back to me. And I was like, she's 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.040 in Chicago, She's in her Chicago bubble. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.640 Oh yeah, there's I've not been checking emails truly. Nothing. 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.440 There's nothing. But then what happens with drinking is everyone knows. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.640 Then the next day you got to start drinking immediately 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.240 or you're not going to survive. So it's like, you know, 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.720 it's like chasing this hangover Wild Beast, and I love 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:28.560 it and it feels I feel lucky and perfect, but 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.239 I don't know if I will survive the week. 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.080 Well, thank you for confessing. But I was excited for 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.960 this text, and so she said, I send her this 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.159 text because I'm at the same store and I'm having 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.960 a weird interaction kind of with the girl that works there, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.200 and I'm like, this has got to be the girl. 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.080 So I and I don't like to take pictures of 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:48.680 people when they don't know. I don't like when people 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.560 post those on Instagram and stuff like look at this 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:54.240 guy's fucking outfit on the subway or whatever. But I 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.760 wasn't putting this online. I was just sending it to Lisa, 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.520 and I was like, is this the girl? And she 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.960 was like, Lol, yes it is. And I was like, 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.039 she needs to get out of retail. This is not 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.520 her this is not her business. Like I literally was like, 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.039 but I was there to buy a gift, a baby gift, 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.440 and I was like, can I just get a gift 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.839 receipt for that? And she looked like a deer in headlights. 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.479 I mean she was like, we don't do those. I 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:20.320 can give you the code, the order code. I was like, girl, 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.039 it's not that serious, Like she just like you do 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:23.960 give receipts. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:25.240 We are frequent shoppers. 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.800 Yeah, our printers broke it. I mean, there was all 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.920 this kind of stuff going on, and but what was 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:33.640 funny was that a couple of days earlier, I had 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.840 checked the That's messed Up email and a couple of 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.920 people had written in their theories about this girl. What 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.200 interesting theory was maybe the minute that Lisa spoke to her, 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.840 she recognized her from That's messed Up her voice and 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.800 got starstruck and could talk. I don't think that's the 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:51.880 case now that I've been in there too, now that 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:55.480 I've seen this girl in action, but a very flattering idea. 0:06:55.640 --> 0:07:00.160 The other suggestion somebody goes, is it possible that she's 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.159 like a famous local painter, and was like taken aback 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.600 that you didn't know who she was, And I was like, 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.800 I don't think we don't have like a famous local. 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.520 Painting scene here in Highland Park. 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.480 Listen, Yeah, I mean I know one of the bartenders 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:14.960 from what is it Junior? 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.240 He makes rugs. I saw him on selling some cool rugs. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.080 But if she was a well known painter, I don't 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.680 know if she'd be working the register, but maybe not, 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.480 you know, maybe because I remember the you know, the 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.120 guy from American Pie that like accidentally ate the pubes 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.920 or something like he was like the creepy sherman. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.480 In that movie American Pie. 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.000 I read somewhere that like he's been a server and 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.000 people are like, wait, I know you, and it sucks 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.440 for him because yeah, he's like day jobbing it. But 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.480 I don't know. I don't cut all this. No, I 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.360 don't think she's a good painter. I don't think she's 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.760 a good communicator. And I think she's a maniac. And 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:51.560 we'll see her again soon, hopefully. 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:54.720 I'm more up lad. 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:59.160 I'm so glad that I like did some investigative journalism 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.240 and found this one, and now I can put a 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.559 face to the weird mess. 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.520 You know, I have been complaining for a while. 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.120 I know, I'm not even at my home, but my 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.280 air conditioner's been broken for so long, and then finally 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:14.640 someone came this week. 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:14.920 To fix it. 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.600 Finally, and I'm out of town. They're like, we need someone. 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:19.120 I go, someone has to come. I don't care if 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.120 I'm not in town. But the guy calls me and 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.200 He's like, I can't see it. I don't see the address, 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:25.880 and I'm explaining the building and I go, I don't 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.120 know what you want from me, sir, And it's like, 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.520 I'm so close to getting this new air conditioner. What 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.680 is happening. I'm texting the management company. He put in 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:35.600 the wrong address, and he was five miles away from 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.360 the apartment, which was fine, but I got a video 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:39.920 the air I have a new air conditioner. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.040 I'm going to go home to a brand new, nice 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:42.880 cold apartment. 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.600 But I just couldn't believe being so close to it 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.360 and having this man just be like with very we 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.240 had a language barrier situation, but I have a foreign father, 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.360 so I'm like able to push through and really understand. 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.840 But like I was like, I don't know, I don't 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.720 know how to tell you how to find the door. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:01.760 There's a building, there's a pay I don't know. I 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:03.480 don't know what to tell you. Somebody easy. 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.320 If you have the right address, your place is not 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:06.040 hard to find. 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:11.000 It's like, so I'm so fucking frustrated, but so happy. 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.120 I Also, I'm in the news some topic that's interesting 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:15.920 to us, so we talk about a lot. But I'm 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.600 the only fans. There was some controversy and they took 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:20.040 it back. 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.480 Yeah, happy to see their you turn on that. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.839 Yeah, And they're making it seem like it's it's I 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.480 wish businesses were more upfront where it's like, yeah, I 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.000 guess the bottom line, we need you guys, Like I 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.880 wish it wasn't like for much time. It's like bullshit, 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.440 fluffy language on how they've changed their minds, and it's like, no, 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.080 you don't care about anybody but money, and you need 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:38.959 to admit it, you know. 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.960 No, And it's like you're only fans. You're not Cameo, 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.680 you're not Patreon, Like you're trying to turn your platform 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:47.880 that was built by sex workers into like a place 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.680 where celebrities can do cooking shows or some shit, Like 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:52.920 we have other places for that. Like that's just not 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:53.520 what you are. 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.319 Yeah, it's all very very frustrating, but I'm I'm glad 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:58.600 it's back in action. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.760 I think it would be be fun if only fans 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:06.679 could also incorporate non sexual stuff so that like all 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.760 that stuff can live side by side, and sex work 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.040 online wouldn't be so stigmatized, you know what I mean, Like, 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.880 let's get I don't know who Am I thinking of 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:19.240 some random celebrity Jennifer Aniston to do a cooking show 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:23.319 on OnlyFans that's completely non nude and it's side by 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:24.680 side with someone that's doing. 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:25.880 They are kra. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:28.280 What do you mean? 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.280 Are there are people on Only Fans just. 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.880 Doing regular I know, but I'm saying, like more mainstream it, 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.680 like people don't really know that it's really associated with 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.600 the sexy stuff, right yay? Yeah, I was saying, like, 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.880 I know people are doing that, but I just think 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:42.719 it would like. 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:46.040 Or the idea what I is in the culture is 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:47.439 very much like, oh, now you got to get a 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:47.920 real job. 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.160 I guess you got to get a real job. And 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.120 it's like, what is not real about it? Yeah? 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:55.040 What makes uh sitting somewhere in an air conditioned office 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:56.720 more or less of a real job? 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:57.719 It's like fucked up. 0:10:57.960 --> 0:10:59.839 The way people think about everything is wrong and we're 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:01.920 all right and it sucks to be better and smarter 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:02.400 than everyone. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.120 I just had to have I just had to have 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.040 a sex work is work conversation with my husband, who 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.679 I usually considered to be pretty woke, but sometimes he's 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:11.760 on the wrong side. 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.320 Of things, and I had to talk to him about it? 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.160 What was his point of view? He was for only 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:17.320 fans to get shut down. 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.640 No, he wasn't for only fans to get shut down. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.600 He was just kind of like, I don't know. He 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:24.680 his point of view was crazy, and I was like, 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:26.200 but he also has a cold right now, And I 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.000 was like, I think you're talking out of your ass 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:29.439 and you're not making any sense, and I think the 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.920 dake will is getting to you, like sex work is 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:33.520 work and it's not there's nothing wrong with it. 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.240 What was his point? Are you to tell us? 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:37.040 Yeah? 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.160 Honestly, it was so crazy that I was like, no, 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.880 you're you're wrong. I like talked to him about it, 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:45.439 and he was like, Okay, you're probably right. 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:46.880 Yeah. I mean the fact that you didn't tell me 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.360 about it even off there means it was probably something 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.480 very crazy. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.319 I know, I've always struggled to make sure that lee'sa 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:57.440 and my husband's stay friends. 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.800 Well, No, because I actually just saw a post someone 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.240 shared it that I liked and I'm opening for my 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.400 friend Jared Freed, and a lot of his materials, like 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.480 dating advice in his podcast is mostly dating stuff, and 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.320 so I saw something that was really interesting where it 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.440 was like, it seems like, are you okay? 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.480 I just I was trying to do a quiet sneeze. 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.400 Sorry, Well, from what I saw, it looked like you 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:26.600 just puked, So I was more worried, sorry to interrupt you. 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.520 And I interrupted you even more by trying to do 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.760 a quiet sneeze. No, I'm just glad you're not puking. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.839 But basically this tweet that I saw, it was like, 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:38.480 men want unattached sex so often, that's what they like. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.439 If you were a man that wants that, why aren't 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.560 you hiring sex workers? My friend just sent me this 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.560 meme today twe minutes ago. Yeah, so it's like, men, 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.640 you want no strings attached sex, and there are sex 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:51.160 workers that provide that service. 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.160 Yeah, yet you don't do that. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:57.120 Instead, you manipulate women who you know want a commitment, 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.960 and then you act crazy when they expect a commitment, 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.760 but you are tricking them to get what you want 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.040 and ignore what they want and then calling them crazy. 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.120 And it's like, obviously you can find women that want 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.080 no strings attach sex as well, but especially listening to 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:15.080 the advice that Jared's like fan base wants, it's mostly 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.680 like this guy's treating me like shit, but he keeps 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:18.880 taking me out and I don't know what to do. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:23.199 And it's like, you're fucking with people, hire sex workers. Yeah, 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.800 why don't you just pay someone to fuck with no 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.480 strings attached instead of ruining some you know, poor pr 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:29.199 girls life. 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:29.840 I don't get it. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.360 Yeah that said, I mean, if you want to have 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.439 if both sides want to have casual sex, like you know, 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:37.400 nothing wrong with. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:38.920 That, But that's not what we're talking. 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.320 I think the point, the point of the meme was 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:47.200 the hypothesis of that Twitter thread was men enjoy the 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.480 manipulation and trickery to fus someone. 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.280 I'm getting away. I'm getting away with fucking somebody and 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.719 not putting in any of the emotional work or the. 0:13:55.679 --> 0:14:00.800 Commitment instead of finding someone that also just wants to fuck. Yeah, whatever, 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.360 we're let's start that episode before I fully generalize everyone. 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.240 I mean, my sister's husband's a great guy. 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.600 Okay, oh yeah, you're like naming the one good guy, 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:13.160 you know, that's so funny. All right, Yeah, let's get going. 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.320 We've got a great episode for today, and lord knows, 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:22.160 we could fucking talk forever about whatever. All right, we 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:27.120 are doing learning Curve Season thirteen, episode twenty one, A 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.920 twist a thon this episode, So here we go. We 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.640 start the episode, Munch is eating at a restaurant with 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.400 Finn's son Ken and he tells Munch she's getting married, 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.520 and Munch is like, Mazeltov, I'm guessing you haven't told 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.560 your dad yet, and he's like, I'm hoping after you 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.120 meet Alejandro, you can help us break the news. He'll 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.960 be here in five minutes. Did you sing Lady Gaga? 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:50.120 Did I what? 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:51.040 You didn't sing? 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.560 Ali han lahandro a lajanro No? But I love that song. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:56.480 Yeah, that's why I'm shocked it didn't go into your hair. 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.880 I'm sorry it didn't even come into my mind. Thank 0:14:59.880 --> 0:15:02.600 you for putting it together for me, because I do 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.680 love that song. So this scene and the scene of 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.400 them in the restaurant is kind of like cross cut 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.560 with the scene that's happening. We're at a Rundown apartment 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.240 where a young pregnant woman is like asking her man 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.160 where he's going and he's like, I'm going to work, 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.040 lay off me, and like then these dudes show up. 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:24.560 It has, you know, an air of gang to it, 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:26.960 Like I don't want to judge anything too quickly, but 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.800 it does seem like there's some gang activity happening. And 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.960 then back at dinner, Alejandro's there. He's very hot. They're 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.640 a very very cute couple, and he's like, I've been 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.960 working myself up to meeting Finn. And then Munch basically 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.640 gives the old be yourself advice and he's like, you know, 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.040 Finn might seem imposing, but there's a lot of depth there, 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.880 a lot of heart, and then they sort of all separate. 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.000 Ken has a night shift, so alle Hunter takes off. 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.160 Munch stands there and tells Ken like, Finn is really 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.200 really proud of you. He talks about it all the time, 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.400 so you're kind of like having a sweet moment with 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.520 like uncle Munch. I kind of love this, like like surrogate, 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.600 not that he needs a surrogate father, but he's like 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.800 another father figure kind of to him, like an uncle. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:10.680 The camera follows Alejandro ominous music. A van is following him. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:14.000 Nothing good is about to happen. Suddenly these dudes jump out, 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:15.560 put a hood over his head and throw them in 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.960 the van, and it's the guys from earlier. We find 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:20.600 out it's like all those guys that went into the 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:24.680 apartment earlier to get the Expectant Father, and now they're 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.600 at this gross apartment and they are like, Ola, Alejandro, 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.400 you in the mood for love, so it's like they 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.720 know Alejandro. And then they give the guy the main 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.480 the Expectant Father. They give him a bat and they're like, 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.280 time to teach this pretty boy, and he really looks 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:40.720 like he doesn't want to do it, and then they 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.920 go to take Alejandro's pants off, and then that's the 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:49.320 credits bad. So now at the precinct, Ken comes running 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.760 into the precinct and kind of like falls into Finn's 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:56.080 arms crying, and we are at the hospital talking to 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.640 Alejandro and the like the right side of his face 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:03.360 is just pulverized. It's very very good makeup work because 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.480 it's making me feel really sick and bad, and it's not. 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.640 It's like ough like he really has been beaten, beaten badly. 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.360 He's basically recounting what happened. He says they beat him, 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.680 sodomized him, and left him for dead on the sidewalk. 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.679 He said there were four of them. They were speaking Spanglish, 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.280 they knew his name, and then he says, don't tell 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:22.800 my family. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:24.399 I'm here, so. 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.359 We're already, you know, there's a lot of clues that 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.840 this is a gay bash incident, and he obviously doesn't 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.520 want his family to know or to be involved. Ken 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.119 admits to Finn that Alejandro is more than a friend, 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.240 and Munch breaks the news about the engagement. Finn does 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.879 look a little shocked, but then immediately jumps into cop 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.040 mode to try to like find out who did this 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.399 and what's going on. They tell Finn the hate crimes 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.520 units on their way, and Finn's like, we're not given 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.160 this to hate crimes no way, Like we know when 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.639 something is close to Finn or any of the detectives, 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:57.720