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The bodies 38 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: of eight family members were discovered in Pike County, Ohio. 39 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: Season four of The Pikes and Massacre. The trials begin, 40 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the crime scenes. Accused murderer George 41 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: Wagner faces a judge and jury. This is legitimately the 42 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: biggest murder trial in the state of Ohio's history. They're 43 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: going to be some surprises in this trial. His mother 44 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: and youngest brother are said to testify against him. It 45 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: is extremely rare for family to testify against family. Will 46 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: he face the death penalty they killed the mother of 47 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: the girl they were trying to get custody up or 48 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: will he walk free? I think the defense knows something 49 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: that we don't know. We're there tracking the case in 50 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: real time. I don't think I've ever seen photos that 51 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: graphic before. Joined the nearly thirty million listeners as the 52 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: mystery unfolds. When a juror sees a human bodies and 53 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: ripped shreds, they want their pound flesh. This is the 54 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: piped and Massacre Childs begin Season four, episode one, on 55 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: the eve of I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at 56 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: KAT Studios with Stephanie Leidecker and Jeff Shane. After following 57 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: this case for years, trials are officially beginning in Ohio's 58 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: largest criminal investigation in the state's history. It's been more 59 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: than six years since the events of April twenty first, 60 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, when eight family members were shot dead in 61 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: the middle of the night, some were sleeping and others. 62 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: Based on crime scene evidence, their final moments are unimaginable. 63 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: It's important to note that George Wagner, the fourth currently 64 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: on trial, and his father, Billy Wagner, whose trial is upcoming, 65 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: have pleaded not guilty to all charges. Prosecutors say the 66 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: Wagner family planned the killing for months. I don't know 67 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: that people can fully fathom what went on in those 68 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: mobile homes. But when the full force of that hits 69 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: the most important people in the room, which are going 70 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: to be those jurors, it's going to reverberate. Two and 71 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: a half years later, four members of a prominent local 72 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: family who knew the victims very well, were arrested in 73 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: charge with capital murder. This was planned and plotted four 74 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: different homes where these family members were slaughtered, absolutely slaughtered. 75 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: And for this family, God, and when this happened, think 76 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: about this shock and confusion. Who takes out a whole 77 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: family and why would you do that? Matriarch Angela Wagner, 78 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: her husband Billy, and their two sons in their early twenties, 79 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: Jake and George were the arrested parties. Since then, Angela 80 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: Wagner and her youngest son Jake have taken plea agreements 81 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: in exchange for testifying against George and Billy Wagner. We've 82 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: spent years chasing clues trying to unpack the mystery of 83 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: what happened that night. Since we've been following the Piked 84 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: and masker for so many years, Stephanie and I decided 85 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: the only way to make sure we got the whole 86 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: story was to get in that quart room for the trial. 87 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: Here's Stephanie as this trial finally approaches, there are a 88 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: lot of questions that we still don't have answers to 89 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: and are desperate to know more about. It was noted 90 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: in one of the motions that accused older brother George Wagner, 91 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: who is the one standing trial, only joined the murdering 92 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: spree very last minute that fateful night, and we don't 93 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: understand why. Says in the motion that he was only 94 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: going to protect his younger brother, Jake Wagner, from his father. 95 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: What does that even mean? I also want to know 96 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: if he accused mother Angela Wagner, was actually at four 97 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: murder locations. In her plea deal, she claims that she 98 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: was quote home babysitting, but previous reports say otherwise. She 99 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: also has a burglary charge, which would say perhaps she 100 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: was at the location before or after the murders. It's 101 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: yet unclear. And what a showdown in the courtroom. This 102 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: is actually going to be think about it for the 103 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: very first time in years. Angela Wagner, the accused mother, 104 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: and the youngest brother, Jake Wagner, are going to face off. 105 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: They're going to see George in the courtroom. They're gonna 106 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: lock eyes, and that's going to seal his fate. We 107 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: desperately want to be there for that. The courtroom where 108 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: the Wagner's fate will be decided as in the Pike 109 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: County Courthouse. It's a three story red brick federal style 110 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: building in the middle of Waverley, Ohio, about twenty miles 111 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: northeast of where the murders took place. It looks exactly 112 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: like you would imagine a medium sized midwest county courthouse 113 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: to look. The anticipation is extremely high. I've been involved 114 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: in this in this area Southwest Ohio trial work for years, 115 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: and I've never seen anything like it. Like every other 116 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: step in this case, from the crime scene itself, through 117 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: the investigation and shot and guilty verdicts, the word everyone 118 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: uses is unprecedented. The fact that it's holding true even 119 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: leading up to the actual trial maybe shouldn't feel surprising. 120 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: But it has been a pretty bumpy, unexpected start. Initially, 121 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: opening statements were slated to begin on Tuesday, September sixth, 122 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: the day after Labor Day. We booked a trip to 123 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: Pike County, only to have to cancel it due to 124 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: the delays. Jeff spoke with reporter James Pilcher about how 125 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: local media was getting set up to cover the trial. 126 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: Tell me, so you're in Pike County right now or 127 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: where are you. I'm actually on the first floor of 128 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: the courtroom the courthouse, sitting right below the courtroom in 129 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: the media room. I'm going to be spending a lot 130 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: of time here over the next four weeks, five weeks, 131 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: six weeks. And so what's the feeling like in the 132 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: courthouse and around the courthouse? Well, today it was a 133 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: lot of hustle and bustle. With that, there were a 134 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: couple other chiev stations we're here dropping off their equipment. 135 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: We're installing all of our stuff, getting everything set up. 136 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: Do you think that Waverley Courthouse is ready for a 137 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: trial of this magnitude they're trying. They've actually installed higher 138 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: speed internet, They've installed free Wi Fi for us here 139 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: in the media room. I think there are some you know, 140 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: there's some businesses that are actually looking forward to it 141 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: because there's gonna be so many people in from out 142 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: of town as part of this. Over the past year, 143 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: we've gotten glimpses of the prosecution strategy based on arguments 144 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: made by lead Attorney Angie Kneppa during pre trial motions. 145 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: It seems like they will attempt to paint a picture 146 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: of a tight knit family where everyone was in on 147 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: the plot. The defense's main argument is that the family 148 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: isn't on trial here, George Wagner is, and that he 149 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: didn't actually kill anyone that night. How does defense get 150 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: out from underneath the legal standard of aggravated murder, which states, 151 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: in Ohio you don't have to pull the trigger to 152 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: be convicted of murder if you help plant and if 153 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: you help cover it up, and if you helped execute it. 154 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: So that's going to be a very big challenge and 155 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm very interested to see what the defense says. The 156 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: wild card is what Jake and Angela may say while 157 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: on the stand. They have not seen each other since 158 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: being arrested in twenty eighteen. How common is that for 159 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: family to testify against family in a case like this. 160 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: It is extremely, extremely rare for family to testify against family. 161 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: Mike Allen, as a legal analyst who's worked on the 162 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: defense and prosecution sides and is also a former judge, 163 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: maybe I've seen it two or three times in all 164 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: the years I've been doing this, and never never on 165 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: a case of this, magnate dude. It's like two family 166 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: members against two other family members, and this is a 167 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: family that is reportedly extremely close. That's going to be 168 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: something to see because it just doesn't happen very often. 169 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: We can assume that what Jake and Angela say about 170 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: George is not going to be favorable. They're not going 171 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: to say that he didn't do anything wrong right, quite 172 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: the opposite, exactly. I mean, yeah, the prosecutor is not 173 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: going to put them up on the stand for them 174 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: to testify. How wonderful you know, George is ain't gonna happen. 175 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: They're not gonna be able to play around up there 176 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: and play footsie with the prosecutor. I mean, they have 177 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: to testify truthfully. Can you talk to us about what 178 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: the possible end results are for George? Could he walk? 179 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: Are there lesser charges or is it guilty on all? 180 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: What are the options? Here are the options for George? 181 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously one of the options is of finding 182 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: him not guilty to the aggravated murder. But even if 183 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: that were to happen, he's still stuck with four counts 184 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: of aggravated burglary, three counts of tampering with evidence, two 185 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: counts of unlawful possession of dangerous ordinance, single counts of conspiracy, forgery, 186 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: unauthorized use of a computer or telecommunications wire. So even 187 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: if he's not convicted of the homicides, there is a 188 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: lot here that can put him away for a lot 189 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: of years. Could all of those together equal a life 190 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: sentence or is that totally unknowable? Oh? No, it could 191 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: he easily equal life sense. Meanwhile, jury selection, which begun 192 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: on August eighth, is underway. The first hurdle is finding 193 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: an impartial jury in a small town for the largest 194 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: case in the history of Ohio. Here's a retired prosecutor 195 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: and Flanagan. You have to usually wait until you start 196 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: to see the jury and see if you can't come 197 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: up with a number of people who indicate they can 198 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: be fair and impartial. But it doesn't really matter if 199 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: they've had some information come through its will they listen 200 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: to the evidence and the rulings and the matters that 201 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: have been brought to them in the courtroom, set aside 202 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: anything else they might have heard, and then make the 203 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: decision fairly and honestly for both sides. I always talk 204 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: to a jury and say, you know, at the end 205 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: of the day, you want to go home, and you 206 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: want to be safe in your own heart and mind 207 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: that you have only done what you've been asked to 208 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: do because you want to go home and be able 209 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: to sleep tonight. To find a jury. Pike County scent 210 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: about a thousand questionnaires to locals asking for volunteers. Two 211 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: hundred people responded, and the court is in the process 212 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: of whittling them down. Seventy perspective death qualified jurors reported 213 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: to the Pike County Courthouse. This is where final jury 214 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: selection is beginning. Death qualified means it's already been determined 215 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: that these jurors are willing to implement the death penalty 216 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: if it's warranted. Local crime reporter Anjeanette Levy has been 217 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: our Eyes and Ears on the ground in Ohio for 218 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: several seasons of the podcast. I spoke with Anjeanette about 219 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: what it's been like. During the week preceding the trial, 220 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: seventy death qualified jurors showed up at the Pike County Courthouse. 221 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: Fifty one of them were women and nineteen of them 222 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: were men, and so George Wagner, the Force attorneys, they 223 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: filed a motion saying, this whole panel, the whole veneer 224 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: should be stricken because it's too many women, and there 225 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: were working class jurors who were excluded for financial hardship 226 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: and they shouldn't have been. So that's disc a minatory 227 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: and so they thought, you know, we should start over 228 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: with the whole thing. Well, the judge said, no, I 229 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: don't think so and denied the motion. So jury selection continued, 230 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: and we were all wondering whether or not they'd be 231 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: able to really seat this jury, and they were able 232 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: to do it. So the jury consists of nine women 233 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: and three men, and then the panel of six alternates 234 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: and that's five women and one man. So you have 235 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: majority women who will be hearing this case. Wow, with 236 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: having so many women, that's unusual, right, you know, I 237 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: don't know if it's unusual. I think we've seen trials 238 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: like this in the past where it's waited one way 239 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: or the other. I covered the Johnny Depp trial in Virginia. 240 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: Different trial, obviously a civil case, a defamation case, but 241 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: the majority of the jurors were men on the panel. 242 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: Sometimes that's just how it shakes out. We're going to 243 00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: take a break. We'll be back in a moment. Oh. 244 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm Carol Fisher, and I'm hosting a podcast called The 245 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: Girl Friends. Back in the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, 246 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: a few of us dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. 247 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: He spoke several languages, he did medical missionary work, and 248 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: he was Jewish. He was perfect on paper, but he wasn't. 249 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:29,239 Speaker 1: He really wasn't. He shouted into the point she went unconscious. 250 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: Bob could lie about anything, but only takes the one 251 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: time when somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob, us 252 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: girlfriends know how to fight back. I wanted him to 253 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: pay for his crime. He needed to be put to justice. 254 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. If I saw him right now, 255 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: I'd spit on him. I would call him and I 256 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: would say, I know you killed my sister. I will 257 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: always hound you and haunt you. You can listen to 258 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: the girlfriends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever 259 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: you get your podcast from iHeart podcasts. What nay hell 260 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: is going on here? Everyone has their limits. I'd never 261 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: confronted a situation like this. I just thought it was 262 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: just a really terrible, immoral thing, a line they won't cross. 263 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: I was stunned and I just said, no, we're killing people. 264 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: You may never have to face that decision when you 265 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: find yourself at that line. Thou Ricin aren't Ricin, And 266 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: somebody needs to just for once give everybody the whole truth, 267 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: like this is evil and the only person who can 268 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: sound the alarm is you. I wasn't just going to 269 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: sit silently. Buy from iHeart podcasts. These are the whistleblowers. 270 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: If you are disloyal men, things are going to happen 271 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: to seek out disgrace through our gun. Evil PA should 272 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: be prosecuted. When power corrupts, conscience is the last line 273 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: of Defense. I'm Miles Taylor. Listen to the Whistleblowers on 274 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 275 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: My name's Laverne Cox. I'm an actress, producer, fashionista, and 276 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: host of The Laverne Cox Show. You may remember my 277 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: award winning first season. I've been pretty busy. There's always 278 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: time to touch incredible guests about important things. People like 279 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: me have been screaming for years. We've got to watch 280 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. What they're doing is wrong, what they're 281 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: doing is evil. They will take things away, and I 282 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: can only hope that Dobbs is that like Pearl Harbor moment. Girl, 283 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: You and I both know what it took to just 284 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: get through the day in New York City and get 285 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: home in one piece. And so the fact that we're 286 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: here and what you've achieved and what I've achieved, you know, 287 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: that's momentous. It's not just sitting around complaining about some bills. 288 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: The only reason that you might think, as Chase said, 289 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: that we're always miserable is because people are constantly attacking 290 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: us and we're constantly noticing it. Listen to The Laverne 291 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: Cox Show on the iHeartRadio, app, Apple podcast or wherever 292 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: you get your podcast. Be sure to subscribe and share. Hi. 293 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: I'm Dalia Wild and I want to invite you to 294 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: listen to my newest podcast, The Afters to make up 295 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: our bodies already existed in the style. It's called the 296 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: Oh My God Particles Show or OMGPS for short. How 297 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: you like me always wondering about the universally, what the 298 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 1: universe is made of? What is in the atmospheres of 299 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: alien panic? And you know, how are we even here 300 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: to even ask those questions? So road trip I want 301 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: to get some answers directly from researchers at the Large 302 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: Hadron Collider. We're colliding particles with energies that naturally existed 303 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: in the universe was about a trillion to the second old. 304 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: I found scientists from all over the world. Everybody is 305 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: working together to get their experiment working. I've got to 306 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: talk to brilliant astrophysicists who collaborated with Brian May, the 307 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: guitarist from Queen. Listen to the Oh My On Particle 308 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: Show on me. I heard radio, app, Apple podcasts or 309 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. With the jury chosen in 310 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: less than a week before the trial is said to begin, 311 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: Presiding Judge Deering drops a bombshell on the media. Late today, 312 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: Judge Randy Deering issued his final rules on what can 313 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: and can't be shown on camera or online. Judge Deerring 314 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: is going to allow each witness to opt out of 315 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: being photographed or recorded that includes any audio of their testimony, 316 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: So if they choose, witnesses can only be seen or 317 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: heard by people inside the courtroom. The judge will also 318 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: extend that right to the Wagner's younger brother Jake, and 319 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: his mother Angela when they testify for the prosecution. When 320 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: the witness comes to the stand, he's going to say, yeah, 321 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: the right not to be shown on television, and then 322 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: we have to turn the camera off. He's going to 323 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: do that herby single witness. Why you know, it's gonna 324 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: be very cult up. They all say no, and we 325 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: still haven't gotten any clarification and whether or not we 326 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: can at least play the audio of their voice, we're 327 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: still kind of up in the air. And when this 328 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 1: whole thing's going to start, how we can cover it 329 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: all of that. Here's reporter and Jeanette Levy speaking with 330 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: producer Chris Graves. In the state of Ohio, witnesses can 331 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: opt out of being videotaped recorded in any way, so 332 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: we had to file something. So we're probably going to 333 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: have a hearing next week. If they deny this motion 334 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: that you guys are filing, then everyone gets the option 335 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: to turn down being recorded. Correct, They have the option anyway. 336 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: What we're more concerned about is Jake and Angela being 337 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: on camera. We don't want them to be able to 338 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: opt out, and any other witnesses who want don't want 339 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: to be photographed. We want the right to record at 340 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: least their audio. You know, there may be lay witnesses 341 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: who are fearful of testifying, and that's understandable, but we 342 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: want to at least be able to hear what they're saying. 343 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: We all pitched in, like all four Cincinnati TV stations, 344 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Enquirer, Law Crime, and Court TV. We all 345 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: are represented by the same lawyer, Sure yeah, Jack Griner. 346 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: Media lawyer Jack Grinder represented Local twelve and several other 347 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: outlets in the effort to get better access to the trial. 348 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: On his website, Grinder calls himself a reporter's lawyer and 349 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: is a well known champion for First Amendment rights. We've 350 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: spoken about him before. He's the same attorney who sued 351 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: for access to the autopsies in this case. We had 352 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: hoped that we get a ruling that would really go 353 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: towards maximizing the public's ability to participate in this trial, 354 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: at least in the sense of observing it. People can 355 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: come to the courtroom, but for many people that's not possible. 356 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: With George Wagner the fourth facing twenty two counts, there's 357 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: going to be a lot of evidence to go through 358 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: point by point. Also, since there has been so much 359 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: that's been protected and redacted in the autopsies, this will 360 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: also be our first opportunity to see the crime scene 361 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: photos to find out exactly what occurred that night. Here's Stephanie. 362 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: Those are going to tell a very specific story. I 363 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: just want to see the accused, Billy Wagner, in person 364 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: and see how his demeanor is. I mean, think about it. 365 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: It's been alleged that Billy Wagner, George Wagner, and Jake 366 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: Wagner all attended the funerals of people who they murdered. 367 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine the level of composure that 368 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: must take and what kind of psychopaths actually attend the 369 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: funeral and pretend to be mourning the people they actually murdered. 370 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: This will also be the time when we find out if, 371 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: indeed these eight murders the sole motive behind them was 372 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: for custody of the daughter, who was shared between confirmed 373 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: murderer Jake Wagner and the victim Hannah may Roden or 374 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: were many other things at play, and more importantly, God 375 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: willing the road Ins, the Gillies, and the Manly family 376 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: that they'll finally get some justice as the child gets closer. 377 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: There is another surprising development. The jury boarded a school 378 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: bus and then they were taken to some of the 379 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: remote locations where the crime scenes actually happen. In both 380 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: Pikedon and Reardon, Ohio, jurors visited all four crime scenes, 381 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: looking closely at run down buildings now partially covered in 382 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: overgrowth and the vacant ground where the road In mobile 383 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: homes once sat. But a reminder that the jury view 384 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: is not to be considered as evidence for the jurors. Rather, 385 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: it's to give them a better understanding of the arguments 386 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: here and really kind of give them a lay of 387 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: the land, if you will. Anette Levy and the rest 388 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: of the media are allowed to follow the school bus 389 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: full of jurors and view the proceedings from a distance. 390 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: Chris Graves and I spoke with her about this. We 391 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: followed along as the school bus and the motorcade went 392 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: around and we went to all these sites from nine 393 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: thirty in the morning till about seven at night. We 394 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: also went to places points of interest and drove around 395 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: a lot of roads where you know, they determined it 396 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: was like the routes. They said that the Wagner strove 397 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: that night. Did they show them in the order that 398 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: they thought they had been killed? We believe. So. It 399 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: started out at Chris's house, Chris Senior. Then they walked 400 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: a path down to Frankie Roden's house that he shared 401 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: with Hannah Gilly, and then they went down to Dana 402 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: Roden's home, but didn't stop. So it was very interesting. 403 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: It makes you think, did they start at Chris Senior's, 404 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: then they went down to Frankie's, they turn around, they 405 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: see that, you know, whatever's going on at Dana's house. 406 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't stop. Maybe they went down to Cadets 407 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: and came back. We don't know that for certain, but 408 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: it's certainly a possibility because there was a discussion that 409 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: Dana had worked at double shift that night and worked 410 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: later than anticipated. Oh my god, is the implication potentially 411 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: with what you just said, that they knew she was 412 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: working a double shift and therefore didn't want to go 413 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: knowing she wouldn't be there. That was the conclusion we 414 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: were drawing. That doesn't mean we were right, but it 415 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: seemed strange that they would drive down to Dana's and 416 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: not get out when you're on the same road. Why 417 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: do that? I don't recall a case where the jurors 418 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: and this includes the people the twelve and paneled and 419 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: then the alternates are loaded up in a school bus 420 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: and driven out to these locations where these events took place. 421 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: Here's forensic death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan. You think about, 422 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, as the crew is moving down the road 423 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: and they essentially wiped out one portion of the family, 424 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: are they talking about, you know, what they're going to 425 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: do next on Union Hill Road? And that kind of 426 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: puts it in perspective at that moment time, does the 427 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: jury have a sense of that was the prosecutor or 428 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: the detectives on board that school bus is kind of 429 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: acting like a tour guide, if you will, and telling 430 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: them it was at this point that they picked up 431 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: the car. It was they we believe that they traveled 432 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: in this direction. And you're getting an idea of this space, 433 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: and then you you contemplate for a moment what these 434 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: folks in the vehicle or we're talking about doing and 435 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 1: what they did. And I think that that's that's certainly 436 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: a note that the prosecutors want to drop into the 437 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: ears of the jury numbers. You know, all of these 438 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: sorts of little details like that, which can I think, 439 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: you know, after this trial, these trials are said and done. 440 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: This is something that will be studied for years to come. 441 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: This Pike County sheriff in Pound lot is a key 442 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: stop on the jury view. Remember, the rodents were found 443 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: dead inside their mobile homes and camper and this lot 444 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: is where those vehicles were hauled and are still being 445 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 1: helped today. They took them to the impound lot at 446 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office, where the trailers are now stored and 447 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: where the pickup truck that we believe Dake said they 448 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: purchased to commit the murders is stored. They were taken 449 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: to ten locations over two days. To our knowledge, they 450 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: were not taken into the actual trailers. We were not 451 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: permitted to go into the actual structure where those trailers 452 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: are housed. So we should have been allowed in there. 453 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: It's public property, and according to the precedent, even if 454 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: it was private property, we should be allowed to go 455 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: on it, but they kept us out. Stephanie and I 456 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: have been too piked in numerous times over the past 457 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: few years, but this time the stakes failed higher. The 458 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: last time you and I were here, it was snowing 459 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: and raining and dark and dreary and so cold, And 460 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: now it's sunny and bright and definitely has a different feeling. 461 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: We head to the courthouse to meet up with reporter 462 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: James Pilcher to find out the latest about media access. 463 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: The most surprising thing about this whole enterprise is how 464 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: quickly the judge turned from being media friendly to all 465 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden being the most restrictive trial however any 466 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: of us have ever had to deal with. Ever. Why 467 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: do you think we don't know why We've asked, why 468 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: we've asked for a meeting with the judge, We've gotten 469 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: no answer. Technically, if you're a city official. You work 470 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: for the city. So if the city is you know, 471 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: air quote standing sitting jury and watching and wanting to 472 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: see how taxpayer dollars are getting spent for me, it's 473 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: more of a transparency public record. This is the most complex, 474 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: most important murder trial in the history of the state, 475 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: and yet nobody can watch it. I don't know, unless 476 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: we want to push it to another appeals court or 477 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, there's nothing we can do. Like I 478 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: kind of get it for retribution purposes if you're somebody 479 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: who's speaking out against the accused Wagners and you're fearing 480 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: that someone's going to come put a hit on you. 481 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: On Friday, they started erecting a fence around the parking 482 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: lot of the courthouse and the entire courthouse, a chain 483 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: link fence. We had never seen that before. This is 484 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: an old, old courthouse, and George Wagner has to be 485 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: brought into the courthouse from the outside. There isn't an 486 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: underground tunnel or any other type of entrance, so they've 487 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: erected defense. Is that concern for his safety? I would 488 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: assume it's a safety issue. They don't want people just 489 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: kind of walking through there that shouldn't be in there. 490 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: That's my interpretation of why they did that. Hopefully we 491 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: can get cameras in there, that's really the goal. Yeah, 492 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: right now, I don't know. Man kind of looks a 493 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: little bit shaky. What do you think the feeling is 494 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: for the prosecution, for the defense, for everyone in Pike 495 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: County right now? You know, any time before trial and 496 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: you get butterflies, No matter how many of them that 497 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: you've done before, you get butterflies. Let's stop here for 498 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: another break. Oh. I'm Carol Fisher, and I'm hosting a 499 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: podcast called The Girl Friends. Back in the nineteen nineties 500 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, a few of us dated the most 501 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: eligible bachelor in town, Bob. He spoke several languages, he 502 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish. He was 503 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: perfect on paper, but he wasn't. He really wasn't. He 504 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: shouted and to the point she went unconscious. Bob could 505 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: lie about anything, but only takes the one time when 506 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob, us girlfriends know 507 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: how to fight back. I wanted him to pay for 508 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: his crime. He needed to be put to justice. I'll 509 00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: be honest with your fis saw him right now. I 510 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: spit on him. I would call him and I would say, 511 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: I know you killed my sister. I will always hound 512 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: you and haunt you. 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I'm going to start 560 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: blaming anything that goes wrong in my life on perrymenopause, 561 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,959 Speaker 1: leg hare too long, peru don't have the will to clean, 562 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: perrymnopause exactly, our whack periods, boob issues, and so much more. 563 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: Listen to My Vagina said, what podcasts on the iHeartRadio app, 564 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. What. On 565 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: the morning of the first day of trial, the media 566 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: is alerted to another development, opening statements were expected and 567 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: slated for today, but there has been a delay. We 568 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: were supposed to be an opening statements right now that 569 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: we got word that somebody involved with the trial has 570 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: become ill and needs some time to recover. It's a 571 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: temporary setback in a process that has taken over six 572 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: years to begin. As of right now, we're planning for 573 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 1: opening statements on September twelfth. That's next Monday. September eleventh 574 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: is a date etched in the consciousness of every American today, 575 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: at least this year in Southeast Ohio. It's the day 576 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: before the biggest trial in the history of the state. 577 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: We're on the leave of this, and these lawyers have 578 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: been eating, sleeping, living this for months now, and I 579 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: think we're starting to see, you know, exactly what each 580 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: side is going to be presenting. James Pilcher. For me, 581 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: it's a culmination of paying attention to this for the 582 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: last two and a half years. I'm glad it's actually happening. 583 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: There were some doubt in my mind as to whether 584 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: or not it actually ever would happen. I'm really really 585 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: interested to hear the opening statements from the prosecution because 586 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: I think they're going to lay out their case and 587 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: start talking specifically about the evidence that they have. But 588 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: I think the things that we're going to look for are, 589 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: how does the defense present George as a quote unquote 590 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,399 Speaker 1: innocent bystander on all this. One of the things we've 591 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: heard is that potentially George only went along to keep 592 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: Billy from killing Jake. If the evidence shows he was there, 593 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: if the evidence and the wire taps, and they have 594 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: reportings of him talking about this, which apparently they do, 595 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: how does he get out from underneath the aggravated murder charts, 596 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: even if he isn't necessarily one of the triggermen. But 597 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 1: if this is a slam dunk for the prosecution, why 598 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: is the defense going to trial? There's a strategy there 599 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: that I don't think we've seen yet. I haven't seen it, 600 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: at least I think the defense probably knows something that 601 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: we all don't know. Do you think there's some sort 602 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: of break in the case that will come out in 603 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: the courtroom that no one is expecting? Yes, I do. 604 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: These are experienced defense counsel They know exactly what they're doing. 605 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: So I just think before this thing is over, we're 606 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,919 Speaker 1: going to know quite a few things about the case. 607 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: That we didn't know before. I think one of the 608 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: big things. And if you come to all these hearings, 609 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: you see the Rodent and Gilley family survivors, we're here 610 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: every single time. I think this is finally going to 611 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: give them some enclosure, finally some actual justice. More on that. 612 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: Next time, the defense table sits right in front of 613 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: the witness box, so he's going to be looking right 614 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: at his brother, and his brother's gonna be looking right 615 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: at him. I don't think I've ever seen photos that 616 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: graphic before. When a juror sees a human bodies and 617 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 1: ripped shreds, there's that thing within them that was they 618 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: want their pound flesh. For more information in case photos, 619 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: follow us on Instagram at Katie Underscore Studios. 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