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Speaker 2: Today, we're discussing season seven, episode eleven, You Know I
Speaker 2: Love You, Don't You? Air date was November thirtieth, two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine. Snapsis Goes. Nathan and Haley's careers bring
Speaker 2: about a tough decision for the family, and Julian divulge
Speaker 2: is a secret to Alex that Big Time violates Brooks
Speaker 2: trust appropriately so by the way. Meanwhile, Clay tries to
Speaker 2: resuscitate his career as an age Jamie learns the truth
Speaker 2: about skills, new job, and a fresh from jail, Millie
Speaker 2: finds an unlikely supporter in Victoria. This one was directed
Speaker 2: by our friend Greg Braine and written by William Brown.
Speaker 1: Oh no what so?
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Well, first of all, I was about
Speaker 4: to be like I love that you added big time.
Speaker 5: I was like, hah, that's so appropriate.
Speaker 4: And I just realized I wasn't with you guys last
Speaker 4: week and.
Speaker 5: I watched ten and not a leon.
Speaker 2: Oh how funny. That's okay.
Speaker 5: I was like, Jamie find out first from jail. I
Speaker 5: was like, no, she just got arrested.
Speaker 1: Okay, you can be one of the viewers at home
Speaker 1: who did not watch the episode before they listened to
Speaker 1: the podcast, and we can talk through.
Speaker 4: I love it. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did this with Joy and it was a blast.
Speaker 4: I do remember a lot of this episode, and now
Speaker 4: Joy your text from this morning makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, well gosh, I have to say, I think
Speaker 1: we have arrived at the worst episode of one treal
Speaker 1: maybe at least at least my least favorite. And I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to say it. And listen, folks, you know us.
Speaker 1: We are going to find the silver lining. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk about things that we loved. But I hated
Speaker 1: this episode. Sorry.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask you Before you go any further
Speaker 2: with that, do you hate it because it wasn't a
Speaker 2: good episode of television or do you hate it because
Speaker 2: of the content both? Okay, say more so.
Speaker 1: Aside from the fact that we hit a really heavy
Speaker 1: level of misogyny and harmful stereotypes in this episode, it
Speaker 1: was I'm sorry to the people that I love, I
Speaker 1: think it was a badly written, badly directed episode of television.
Speaker 1: The actors were totally hung out to dry in this episode.
Speaker 1: We had and who knows, Look, everybody has a I've
Speaker 1: had plenty of episodes where I was phoning it in,
Speaker 1: and I think the director phoned it in. I think
Speaker 1: the writer phoned it in. Who knows what else was
Speaker 1: going on in their own lives and their personal lives,
Speaker 1: And I think that's bound to happen when you're shooting.
Speaker 1: How many episodes did we do? Two hundred something at.
Speaker 2: Twenty four, twenty two or twenty four, but like.
Speaker 1: Over ten years, I mean, we just so many episodes
Speaker 1: of Yeah, everybody's gonna have a bad day. It all
Speaker 1: just seemed to be the perfect storm on this one.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of dead air, awkward moments. Every
Speaker 1: scene felt like there was no blocking, no thought put
Speaker 1: into it. The actors were just standing there talking heads.
Speaker 1: The scenery was boring, there was no activity. It was like,
Speaker 1: let's have Jamie and Skills looking at the computer and
Speaker 1: everyone just gather around and stand there and stare at
Speaker 1: them while they have this awkward emotional conversation and everything
Speaker 1: just felt really placed. I don't know, I do know.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say I don't know. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to stop that habit. I have that bad habit of
Speaker 1: doing that. But anyway, I was not happy.
Speaker 4: And You're like, why am I saying I don't know
Speaker 4: the answer when I'm actually smart, and I did. Okay,
Speaker 4: I have a question because as you started to say that,
Speaker 4: especially about how many episodes we shoot a year, and
Speaker 4: as you were talking, I was doing the math of Okay,
Speaker 4: if we're eleven episodes in, it's before the holiday break,
Speaker 4: so you're hitting that point everyone comes back to work
Speaker 4: like fresh faced, like bunny tailed or whatever how whatever
Speaker 4: that phrase is, like in July, and by November you're
Speaker 4: so underslept and so tired, and yeah, I mean your
Speaker 4: body just starts to get to a point where it
Speaker 4: hurts all day, and I like you said, Rob, I
Speaker 4: can get the I can get the timing of it
Speaker 4: on The Humans, and it also can really be a
Speaker 4: bummer to see exhaustion and action on camera as a viewer,
Speaker 4: I would like to ask a question as the person
Speaker 4: who clearly forgot what episode we were on this week
Speaker 4: and watched last week's, which is great for me. I
Speaker 4: wrote a question down about seven to ten, and I
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, I'm not trying to be such a misogynist,
Speaker 4: but the extreme move for Alex to say I love
Speaker 4: you to Julian in a text message and then break
Speaker 4: her sobriety over this boy that she doesn't really know
Speaker 4: that well, and I get what it's like. She's finally
Speaker 4: being recognized, She's finally being seen as a whole person
Speaker 4: and not an object. We all obviously were begging for
Speaker 4: that on our show with our own boss, you know.
Speaker 4: But I had this sort of breathtaking moment where Alex
Speaker 4: finds her or where Millie finds Alex at the bar,
Speaker 4: and I think, oh, maybe she knew Milly was coming
Speaker 4: and she's ordering the shots for her, and then she
Speaker 4: takes not one, not two, but three, And I wrote down,
Speaker 4: I said, am I being too cranky or or were
Speaker 4: we just indicating all the time that women should throw
Speaker 4: their lives away for men and we never said it
Speaker 4: in reverse on our show.
Speaker 5: And then I was like, maybe I'm I.
Speaker 4: Don't know, maybe I'm in like an emotional moment, But
Speaker 4: is there more of the same in this episode, like
Speaker 4: just more terrible writing off of women?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, this I found. I had a big issue with,
Speaker 2: like the alex of it all throughout this whole episode.
Speaker 2: It's funny. I had a bit of an emotional roller coaster.
Speaker 2: I generally my third note is I stand brilliant. You know,
Speaker 2: it opens with this with sweet Disposition playing in the background.
Speaker 2: You guys have this sweet scene in the kitchen, and
Speaker 2: I realized, like I really am rooting for these two.
Speaker 2: This is awesome. And then Julian just captain Ignora red Flag.
Speaker 2: He divulges to Alex. So, first of all, I didn't
Speaker 2: even think about this until so he divulges to Alex
Speaker 2: Brooks infertility secret, Yes, which is like just such a
Speaker 2: capital T trauma like violation of trust.
Speaker 4: That's horrible, especially think about the fact that this was
Speaker 4: in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: Yes, like people.
Speaker 4: Talk about this stuff today in twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 4: it's still so personal.
Speaker 1: And imagine it wasn't even a secret that he'd been
Speaker 1: holding on to for like months or something. It was
Speaker 1: like the next day, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, And then I realized after the fact, I thought,
Speaker 2: this dummy needs to go to therapy and learn about
Speaker 2: boundaries because the fact that he didn't set a boundary
Speaker 2: after she text I love you like for again, seriously
Speaker 2: ignore a red flag. She corners you in a hotel
Speaker 2: room and takes off all of her clothing. You tell
Speaker 2: her no, his girlfriend is her boss. Then she sends
Speaker 2: a text, I love you. Mind you. Every business interaction
Speaker 2: there's also flirting one way flirting happening, yes, but at
Speaker 2: a certain point you are party to it. If you're
Speaker 2: not shutting it down, you are participating. So the fact
Speaker 2: that like he didn't check it, he didn't set a
Speaker 2: boundary about the clothing thing that he stood by. At
Speaker 2: least she texts I love you and he's just like,
Speaker 2: oh whatever. He's alone with her at the house and
Speaker 2: shares this information. Yeah, and like doesn't even call Brooke
Speaker 2: to give her heads up. It still would have been terrible,
Speaker 2: but at least Brooke would have been prepared for it.
Speaker 4: Yes, to say I did a really bad thing. I
Speaker 4: got shot up, and I'm so sad for us, and
Speaker 4: I blurted it out and I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing, the blurting it out. And this
Speaker 1: is why one of the reasons, one of the many
Speaker 1: reasons in this episode, I say the actors were hung
Speaker 1: out to dry. We were all doing the best we
Speaker 1: could with the material and clearly with the direction and
Speaker 1: the staging that was handed to us. But if that
Speaker 1: scene had happened early, all the scenes were early in
Speaker 1: the morning, all the opening scenes, Julian could have been
Speaker 1: early on the on the balcony, like tired, didn't get
Speaker 1: any sleep. He's nursing a cup of coffee. Alex bustin.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, I please leave me alone. Stop coming
Speaker 1: around here, and she could just push enough buttons that
Speaker 1: he could have blurted it out in a way that
Speaker 1: was like, here's why I don't need you around. I'm
Speaker 1: dealing with this. I'm dealing with this. My girlfriend can't
Speaker 1: get pregnant. Now I've got to deal with that, you know.
Speaker 1: And then now Alex has the information that need her
Speaker 1: to have to continue on with the rest of the episode.
Speaker 1: But they did Julian no favors. They did the audience
Speaker 1: no favors in watching and appreciating who these characters are
Speaker 1: and loving them. And as an actor, you're like, well,
Speaker 1: this is what's on the page, Like what else am
Speaker 1: I supposed to do?
Speaker 4: Exactly because you have to do it, you have to
Speaker 4: shoot the scenes. Yeah, and you know, let's be honest,
Speaker 4: there have been so many times when we've all gone
Speaker 4: to bat for our characters and it's a really tricky
Speaker 4: thing because you can't complain all the time because then
Speaker 4: you get yelled at. And in an episode like this one,
Speaker 4: because there are it's weird. This is one of those
Speaker 4: ones where there's so many things I remember like it
Speaker 4: was yesterday. So many of us were like, what is
Speaker 4: this script? Yes that that I know we were met
Speaker 4: with a God, you guys are just all being so difficult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's want to.
Speaker 5: Sit there and say we're not We're not.
Speaker 4: Actually, we're just saying none of these things feel thought through.
Speaker 4: It's like we got a first draft and we're supposed
Speaker 4: to be on a dissertation and one of these is
Speaker 4: not like the other.
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, And so it's like I said, I
Speaker 2: it really took the wind out of my brilliant sales
Speaker 2: and just made me more of a just like a
Speaker 2: Brook fan because it just unfortunately a I see some
Speaker 2: of myself and that behavior because I came very late
Speaker 2: to the boundaries game and learning how to protect my
Speaker 2: relationships and to prioritize them, prioritize them. Excuse me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but like after the first time, Brooke already says she's
Speaker 2: uncomfortable with this dynamic, and she has and Alex has
Speaker 2: been so out of pocket that right there is the
Speaker 2: moment where you need to sort of reassess the situation
Speaker 2: and start like protect the castle, like your relationship is
Speaker 2: the priority. So if anything overcompensate and instead he's kind
Speaker 2: of like there's a difference between being like a ho hum,
Speaker 2: nice guy people pleaser and when that goes too far
Speaker 2: and is actually harming your relationship.
Speaker 4: Yes, and okay, so I love that you're saying this,
Speaker 4: particularly because you're giving this insight as a man, Rob
Speaker 4: bless you. One of the things that I will admit,
Speaker 4: like you're saying, you see some of your past in
Speaker 4: this this season, and I mean certain storylines we've done
Speaker 4: in general, but some of the stuff in this season
Speaker 4: is so triggering for me as the adult woman that
Speaker 4: I am now, because what I see Brook Davis doing
Speaker 4: is tolerating terrible behavior that I've tolerated and not actually
Speaker 4: valuing myself to set a boundary soon enough, and making
Speaker 4: excuses for behavior and keeping it in because you know,
Speaker 4: there's that old adage of like, don't talk too much
Speaker 4: shit about your partner to your friends, because once you
Speaker 4: get over the issue, your friends will be mad at
Speaker 4: them forever. And that has made me stay in things
Speaker 4: that have been so toxic and so damaging, and then
Speaker 4: you know, you let people in and everybody goes, oh,
Speaker 4: we've been waiting for this, Thank God, Like we were worried,
Speaker 4: but we didn't know if we could talk to you
Speaker 4: about it because you weren't talking about it. And this
Speaker 4: whole storyline with Brooke really does that to me in
Speaker 4: a way that makes me want to sob And it's
Speaker 4: so hard to see her keep trying to work it out,
Speaker 4: because I'm sitting as if you were being like, but
Speaker 4: what are you working out? Yeah, Like, don't you just
Speaker 4: think you deserve better?
Speaker 1: And who's in Brooke's life? Why don't we get the
Speaker 1: example of somebody saying, hey, what are you doing? This
Speaker 1: is not okay?
Speaker 2: Yes, and you have this procuse me. Brooke has this
Speaker 2: line in the episode because to your point, yes, there
Speaker 2: is so much of this episode is the women seeking
Speaker 2: the men and and and that was sort of the dynamic.
Speaker 2: It's oddly, it's like it's with Brooke and Julian, it's
Speaker 2: with Alex and Julian, it's with Clay and Quinn. But
Speaker 2: there's a moment where you are it's a very sweet
Speaker 2: moment between Brooke and Victoria where Victoria is like really
Speaker 2: showing up as like a good mother figure, and you're
Speaker 2: upset and she's like it's fine, Like no, who is
Speaker 2: not the end of the sentence. We're gonna figure it out,
Speaker 2: you know, it's gonna happen. And and she says, and
Speaker 2: if he's not okay with that, then maybe he's not
Speaker 2: the one for you. And then you're crying. I think
Speaker 2: you say something effective, But what if I'm the one
Speaker 2: for him? I'm sort of like going to with that
Speaker 2: you said, it's like.
Speaker 1: Yes, who wrote this?
Speaker 2: How about how about Kim in that moment, like how
Speaker 2: about you just be pissed and let yourself be angry
Speaker 2: because he really really put his foot in it, you know,
Speaker 2: as opposed to but what if I'm the one for him?
Speaker 2: It's like, hey man, you got some self worth in there?
Speaker 4: Yes, and truly there's a part of me that like,
Speaker 4: in this moment in my life is like, wait a second,
Speaker 4: did I get like brainwashed into tolerating terrible behavior.
Speaker 5: By RTV show for ten years?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: Do I owe the next ten years?
Speaker 4: Do I owe all those therapy bills back to our writers?
Speaker 1: Like? What?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? I will say. The one thing that
Speaker 2: worked to help balance out that totally uneven dynamic is
Speaker 2: the fact that Rachel is straight up horrible to Dan
Speaker 2: when he is nothing but sweet and hopeful to her.
Speaker 2: That's genuinely you know, she's pushing him to do the
Speaker 2: show and he doesn't want to do it, and she's
Speaker 2: completely ignoring his feelings. By the way, best slap of
Speaker 2: the season, hands down, is from Jimmy's mom slaps absolute
Speaker 2: daylights out of point and because I know Paul, I
Speaker 2: know he said hit me in real life, but you
Speaker 2: see it. She genuinely slaps the shine off him. But
Speaker 2: in the wake of all that, they're in the limo
Speaker 2: and he's like, I don't want to do this. Oh.
Speaker 2: He actually hands her a check and he goes, I'm done.
Speaker 2: Here's your money, and she's like no, she's all business.
Speaker 2: And he says we can grow old together and she
Speaker 2: says you're already old. And then he says we have
Speaker 2: enough and she says it'll never be enough. So at
Speaker 2: least there is one relationship in which they have flipped
Speaker 2: the dynamic and the man is the one seeking coming
Speaker 2: hat in hand for affection and attention and just getting bagels, getting.
Speaker 5: Bagels, getting bagels.
Speaker 1: So good to please name the episode getting bagels, because
Speaker 1: that's what we got with this episode, and they were
Speaker 1: not good Brooklyn bagels. You know, it's it's throughout the episode,
Speaker 1: like not just that, because even in that scenario, Rachel's
Speaker 1: still a villain, which is fine in and of itself,
Speaker 1: but in the context of every single woman having some
Speaker 1: sort of misogynistic label put on her, even when Millie's
Speaker 1: leaving jail and the shot of the prostitute being carted
Speaker 1: into the jail, why are there so many prostitutes? Also,
Speaker 1: it's like the Johns never get arrested. We just always
Speaker 1: put the women. I mean, that's a whole other let's
Speaker 1: talk about that for years. But it was Mouth when
Speaker 1: he was upset with Milly. He's sitting on the couch
Speaker 1: at the end of the episode and he's playing some
Speaker 1: kind of video game where he's just running around with
Speaker 1: AK forty seven killing other dudes in the video game.
Speaker 1: First of all, we've never seen that behavior from Mouth
Speaker 1: at all. But secondly, the just sort of the casualness
Speaker 1: of like, oh, this is what guys do when they
Speaker 1: feel mad at their women and they just need to
Speaker 1: relieve stress. We go and it was so irresponsible. And
Speaker 1: there's a comment that Brook makes about being adopted. She says,
Speaker 1: if you can't get pregnant, will adopt, and she goes,
Speaker 1: it's not the same. And I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: every adopted child out there hearing that line. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was so irresponsible. I'm very upset about this episode. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't mean to get worked up.
Speaker 2: Get worked up.
Speaker 6: No, it's okay.
Speaker 2: I also found and I've been sort of flagging this
Speaker 2: for a couple episodes now, but I really feel like
Speaker 2: I don't understand how things have gone so fast for
Speaker 2: Claying Quinn, specifically on the Quinn side, because God, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw it inten so.
Speaker 4: By the way she walks in in ten and is like,
Speaker 4: hey baby, and I was like, wait what, I had
Speaker 4: a whole rant on this last week.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was like did we miss four months they've
Speaker 2: been dating, Like we're already.
Speaker 1: De pet names.
Speaker 2: So this episode, though, one of the very first opening
Speaker 2: scenes is like Clay has been fired and he's at
Speaker 2: his beach house and I don't even know what happens,
Speaker 2: but she just says, I'm so proud of you and listen.
Speaker 2: On one level, I can understand that if you see
Speaker 2: someone going through adversity and they're handling it well, but like,
Speaker 2: because of all the other things that have happened, it
Speaker 2: just it feels like two people who just really badly
Speaker 2: want to be in a relationship and they start dating
Speaker 2: and they're like, wait, you want to be heavily involved.
Speaker 2: I want to be heavily involved, and they just like
Speaker 2: move in. Within a week, they're saying I love you,
Speaker 2: and within a week and everyone else like, you know,
Speaker 2: you can let this breathe and just happen, right, you know,
Speaker 2: this one, it's kind of the same thing, like Clay
Speaker 2: is showing her like very little affection. He kisses her
Speaker 2: on the cheek once, and then there's some stuff that
Speaker 2: happens like mid episode. But then at the end of it,
Speaker 2: it's like Clay he's kind of giving up, and Quinn
Speaker 2: shows up to his ex assistant's office, clearly to hatch
Speaker 2: some plan to help Clay, which it's interesting, I'm curious,
Speaker 2: but it's just that thing of like you and oh,
Speaker 2: that's what it's. Midway to the episode, she says to
Speaker 2: him because he's like, I think I'm just gonna leave
Speaker 2: the Tree Hill, and she starts to confess, and she
Speaker 2: says enough for the audience to know that the reason
Speaker 2: I stayed was for you. So it's again that thing
Speaker 2: like well, also her sister lives here, Like it's just
Speaker 2: that thing of like Clay's whole excuse me, Quinn's whole
Speaker 2: life has become Clay. Like Clay's like, Hey, it's great
Speaker 2: you're here. I appreciate it. I got to hit the stuff.
Speaker 1: Clay's got, the boundary's going, he knows.
Speaker 4: What's by the way, Joy, even to your point about
Speaker 4: all the ways that Julian and Alex conversation could have gone,
Speaker 4: like obviously we didn't see it in the earlier years
Speaker 4: of our show, because you guys weren't with us. But
Speaker 4: in the story, Quinn is Haley's sister, so she could
Speaker 4: have told a whole story about how great it is
Speaker 4: to be back where she grew up and walking on
Speaker 4: the same beaches that she used to blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 4: She could have had a whole thing and then let
Speaker 4: something slip and we could have gone, oh, she's given
Speaker 4: a spiel, but she's here for him, and it would
Speaker 4: have tracked and it actually could have been the good
Speaker 4: kind of exposition that would have told us a little
Speaker 4: bit about Quinn's childhood. She could have even told a
Speaker 4: story we didn't know about her and Haley. There's ways
Speaker 4: to do it if you're not being lazy, and they
Speaker 4: were so lazy.
Speaker 1: No subtlety in this episode, none whatsoever.
Speaker 2: And I just I think it does a disservice to
Speaker 2: the growth of a relationship and the payoff when you
Speaker 2: come in so heavy handed. It's just it doesn't have
Speaker 2: the same thing then the one that actually happens, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And again it felt like they
Speaker 2: were just going, we lost a couple, but don't worry,
Speaker 2: here's a new couple.
Speaker 1: Here's another one. But they lose their credibility as characters
Speaker 1: that you're falling in love with, just individually, as people,
Speaker 1: they start to lose their credibility. Quinn just suddenly getting
Speaker 1: out of a marriage that she's not even totally out
Speaker 1: of yet, and she's diving right back in with Clay.
Speaker 1: That's a character defect. It's okay to have character defects,
Speaker 1: but pick the right ones when you're trying to make
Speaker 1: an audience fall in love with new people.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine how incredible it would have been if
Speaker 2: one of if we had a character on the show
Speaker 2: that was a therapist that everyone went to see a
Speaker 2: lot of the Sopranos, the rain broco right. Could you
Speaker 2: imagine the incredible therapy sessions the audience would have got
Speaker 2: to sit back and listen to.
Speaker 4: Oh I would love That's what we needed.
Speaker 2: It would have been incredibly interesting. But no, it's more
Speaker 2: fun to watch people not in therapy. I thought Mouth
Speaker 2: was very sweet. I thought that the Millie stuff. I'm
Speaker 2: just waiting for it to end. Yeah, Lisa's great. I
Speaker 2: love watching Lisa. I'm just so tired of this story
Speaker 2: that clearly is not about the character of Milly at all.
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with Millie. Millie is not present.
Speaker 2: It's just this trope and I just want it to
Speaker 2: end so I can see Lisa be Milly again, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and the thing is they're so good together
Speaker 4: even the forgive me for continuing to reference it, since
Speaker 4: you guys obviously did the episode while I was gone,
Speaker 4: But I loved that scene when Milly and mckinna come
Speaker 4: out of the bathroom and Mouth confronts her and asks
Speaker 4: her if she's using drugs in ten.
Speaker 5: And the whole fight and the way.
Speaker 4: That that nosebleed just starts and he's just watching and
Speaker 4: she's ranting. It's like they were both so raw and
Speaker 4: it was clearly so painful, and she's just letting all
Speaker 4: this insecurity pour out of her. And they're so fun
Speaker 4: to watch as actors. But I have to choose, and
Speaker 4: I realize it might not be as easy for folks
Speaker 4: in the audience who don't do the job we do.
Speaker 4: I have to choose as an actor to like, leave
Speaker 4: my friend at the door, this character that I love
Speaker 4: as a viewer and go, I'm just going to watch
Speaker 4: least actor face off in these scenes I have no
Speaker 4: idea who this character is, but god, I'm loving it.
Speaker 4: And it's a weird thing when you have to do that,
Speaker 4: especially when you have actors that are so talented that
Speaker 4: they could have they could have done the storyline across
Speaker 4: a season and it could have really developed Clay and
Speaker 4: Quinn really, you know, beginning to have this addictive problem,
Speaker 4: like it could have been given the breath it needed
Speaker 4: and it just wasn't. And when when you jump too
Speaker 4: fast into it, it feels like a shock.
Speaker 2: Yes, and an addiction can be an incredibly compelling story,
Speaker 2: just not when you do this sped up rod strokes
Speaker 2: after School's version, after school special version, It's just like, oh,
Speaker 2: we've seen this on Saved by the Bell and a
Speaker 2: bajillion other shows, you know.
Speaker 1: I think, thank god Lisa is such a good actor,
Speaker 1: because at least in those moments, I can watch it
Speaker 1: and I feel for exactly what you're saying. So I
Speaker 1: don't know who this character is, but I am feeling
Speaker 1: for this woman that I'm watching on screen, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate empathizing with her journey for a moment. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, like, when's it over?
Speaker 4: Please?
Speaker 2: I remember when I went to see Green Lantern in
Speaker 2: the movie theater. I don't even know if I was.
Speaker 2: I think i'd maybe just started acting. But I remember
Speaker 2: even then watching it, and I'm thinking about halfway through
Speaker 2: and I'm a comic book nerd. I'm so excited, and
Speaker 2: even then halfway through, ever going, I'm watching two very
Speaker 2: good actors do their best with a terrible script. And
Speaker 2: that's kind of how I feel lately with Lisa and
Speaker 2: with Jana. Alex to me is just like she's the
Speaker 2: worst in this episode. I don't know, like I just
Speaker 2: I can't stand her. But yet, like you said, though,
Speaker 2: so I can watch it and go. But Jana's crushing
Speaker 2: like she she's bringing emotional weight to some really crappy dialogue,
Speaker 2: Like there's no there's no subtlety to it. It is
Speaker 2: Peak and Valley, and it's hysterical and manic, and it culminates,
Speaker 2: and it culminates with a scene in which she calls Julian,
Speaker 2: confesses her love, thanks him, then proceeds to hang up
Speaker 2: yeah and try to unlive herself in a bathtub. So
Speaker 2: awful and enjoy. I have a question for you, because
Speaker 2: I did I head this moment, and maybe it's like
Speaker 2: getting too close in nitpicking, But why is she in
Speaker 2: her bron underwear? Why did she if she's she's about
Speaker 2: to end her life, we see clothes right next to
Speaker 2: the bathtub. If you're really trying to end your life,
Speaker 2: why are you taking off your T shirt and jeans?
Speaker 1: I totally agree, and you're not nitpicking. It's this is
Speaker 1: one of the most infuriating moments of the episode to me,
Speaker 1: was creating suicide porn basically out of this moment, Like
Speaker 1: they wanted a beautiful shot of a beautiful girl with
Speaker 1: a beautiful body in beautiful underwear and blood draining from
Speaker 1: her wrists, and it was an overhead shot and it
Speaker 1: was supposed to be glamorous, And yes, I am so
Speaker 1: angry about this.
Speaker 4: Can I add to that anger because I'm still angry
Speaker 4: about this, And it's almost been twenty years. Using a
Speaker 4: suicide attempt as a cliffhanger on television, to use this
Speaker 4: as drama as musty TV, as tune in next week
Speaker 4: to find out what happens. It makes me sick to
Speaker 4: my stomach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know what to do, Like a
Speaker 1: I'm hot, Like I'm angry. When I saw that shot,
Speaker 1: I was like, wh what are we doing? What is
Speaker 1: the purpose of this? The reason she had to be
Speaker 1: in her underwear was because they wanted the overhead shot, yeah,
Speaker 1: or Network TV. They couldn't do it without her underwear on,
Speaker 1: so they put her in this really beautiful, vintagey looking
Speaker 1: set of underwear. And it could have been like it
Speaker 1: literally could have been her arm like dropping into frame
Speaker 1: by the bathroom floor and you see a little bit
Speaker 1: of blood and you cut away and you know what's
Speaker 1: going on. They could have done that if they I mean,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of other things they could have done too.
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying we shouldn't be telling these stories
Speaker 1: on TV. I just it's the fact that they used
Speaker 1: it to try and make it sexy somehow. That is
Speaker 1: it's unconscionable to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that it's always women that are put in
Speaker 4: the position to do it, and that when you bring
Speaker 4: it up, they tell you, well, this is the way
Speaker 4: it has to be. There's no reason she couldn't have
Speaker 4: been wrapped in a hotel towel, dude, Yes, in the bathtub. Yeah,
Speaker 4: a white towel in the bathtub.
Speaker 2: There's no reason jeans in a T shirt to the tub,
Speaker 2: meaning she chose to take off her pants and her
Speaker 2: T shirt, which we're not going to be in the
Speaker 2: way of her business. She chose to take those off
Speaker 2: before the call. Like what it's It's just it's so dumb,
Speaker 2: and it's such a disservice to it. Like I remember
Speaker 2: one time on a different show, I was I was
Speaker 2: supposed to be like about to die, and I was
Speaker 2: supposed to be saying goodbye to my best friends, and
Speaker 2: and they wanted me shirtless, sitting up right in the
Speaker 2: bed shirtless, and I went, I went, I went to
Speaker 2: bat on it, and I said, you're completely undermining everything
Speaker 2: that's happening in this scene. It's gonna become a beauty pageant.
Speaker 2: If this is about me and a shirtless in bed,
Speaker 2: you gotta figure it out. I don't care. But put
Speaker 2: me in a T shirt, put me under the sheets.
Speaker 2: But we're not doing the shirtless, you know. And because
Speaker 2: it's sort of the same thing where like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: completely take the focus off what's important. It becomes, like
Speaker 2: you said, it sort of glamorizes it or sexualize it.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, because then how many of these girls
Speaker 1: at home who are in a position of desperation in
Speaker 1: their life, and they it's like, well, at least I
Speaker 1: could go glamorously. Look at look at that. Look how
Speaker 1: beautiful that looks. It's so artistic. Yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: Marilyn took pills and laid in her bed and it
Speaker 1: was like silk sheets, and like, if I'm going to go,
Speaker 1: at least I'll go glamorously. Like it's not it's not glamorous.
Speaker 1: And the willingness to put that message out there for
Speaker 1: young women, for anyone.
Speaker 4: It's so irresponsible. Yeah, no, I can see exactly what
Speaker 4: you're doing. It's so irresponsible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I don't know. Yeah, listen, it's a teenage
Speaker 2: soap opera, you know, like I know, we want the
Speaker 2: best from it. But it was also at a time
Speaker 2: period it was just like, you know, I'm not making
Speaker 2: an excuse for I'm just saying I think this is
Speaker 2: why it was okay for them. You know, it's because
Speaker 2: it's like, this isn't educational programming, This is candy. This
Speaker 2: is for consumption. Yeah, not that it can't be that
Speaker 2: and disappointing, you know, you can still want better for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much disappointment.
Speaker 4: I think part of the reason it can be that
Speaker 4: and be disappointing is because we've seen that it can
Speaker 4: be that and be really important or impactful, and so
Speaker 4: it's really hard when it goes in the other direction
Speaker 4: of possibility. To go from potential to let down is
Speaker 4: very it's hard, and I think it's also hard from
Speaker 4: you know, this time period that we're in. We've had
Speaker 4: so many conversations and in so many ways, this generation
Speaker 4: has you know, blown the lid off of so much
Speaker 4: inequity and mistreatment, and like what really happens when terrible
Speaker 4: systems take advantage of fifty one percent of the population
Speaker 4: and it's not really changed that much, Like the conversation happens,
Speaker 4: everyone says, we've got to do something about it, and
Speaker 4: then it's a lot of more of the same. And
Speaker 4: I think it can be really hard for all the
Speaker 4: winds to see all this like backsliding, you know, all
Speaker 4: it's like what are we what are we doing? There's
Speaker 4: so much there's so much harm done to people that
Speaker 4: it's really hard to feel like you have a platform
Speaker 4: where you could have done something good and you did
Speaker 4: more harm, Like isn't there enough of that in the
Speaker 4: world That I think is tough, and I get what
Speaker 4: you're saying, Candy soab Obra, Yes.
Speaker 2: But h yeah, it's kind of I think one of
Speaker 2: the reasons why I have such an issue with the
Speaker 2: Mildaise party Girl storyline, like when when you portray addicts
Speaker 2: and alcoholics, like in the same stereotypical way, you do
Speaker 2: such a disservice to so many people who are struggling
Speaker 2: because that becomes the perception of it, and it's like
Speaker 2: that is not the majority of people's stories, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So it's sort of not only is
Speaker 2: it tired and boring and uncreative, it's also harmful a
Speaker 2: little bit, you know.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, One thing I think in the emotional realm
Speaker 1: of this topic that they did a nice job with
Speaker 1: was hiring Rene Vincent to play Jimmy Edward's mom to
Speaker 1: come in and you know, you talked about the slap
Speaker 1: and that was a really powerful moment for Dan and
Speaker 1: I appreciated that they really went for it as actors too.
Speaker 1: But I did really love and I have a little
Speaker 1: list of wins for the episode because I didn't want
Speaker 1: to be a big Debbie downer, but I did love
Speaker 1: that this woman came in this actress who I'd never
Speaker 1: seen before. I don't know if she's local. I don't
Speaker 1: know if she's New York. I don't know where she
Speaker 1: came from. But she walked in as Jimmy's mom. What
Speaker 1: we saw her actually in the episode the season when
Speaker 1: he passed away and they brought her back. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: a bit jumbled because my adrenaline was really high on
Speaker 1: that to bring myself down, but I appreciate that she was.
Speaker 1: She was so honest and raw and getting in Dan's
Speaker 1: face and being willing to tell him yeah, exactly, showing
Speaker 1: that mirror to him, this is who you are, this
Speaker 1: is what you've done. I will not forgive you. I
Speaker 1: will not allow you to walk through this and think
Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter and that what you've done is
Speaker 1: you can continue to capitalize on it. It was such
Speaker 1: an amazing moment. I really loved that.
Speaker 2: Yes, as to come in as a guest star and
Speaker 2: have to take up that much space and sort of
Speaker 2: command of a scene with the series regular is not
Speaker 2: an easy thing to do, but a I think Paul's
Speaker 2: a great scene partner for that, because he is the
Speaker 2: type of scene partner to tell you to take up
Speaker 2: space to let him have it, you know, but she delivered.
Speaker 2: She was she was fantastic. I also have some wins too,
Speaker 2: I mean some lighter stuff. I thought, Yeah, I loved
Speaker 2: that Jamie is just over in the middle of the
Speaker 2: day at skills in Mouth's place, just hanging out even
Speaker 2: though he's whatever he is eight, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just love that he was like one of the guys.
Speaker 2: He just happened to be sitting on the couch and
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, this is it was like cheers, Like
Speaker 2: Jamie was just there to hang out to check in.
Speaker 2: I thought that was so sweet. Yeah, their dynamics great.
Speaker 2: I loved.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's always a winning Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love. I loved that Nathan's agents flew in from wherever,
Speaker 2: whatever big city they're based out of. He's like, Haley,
Speaker 2: the team is flying and they got me an offer.
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting there going like, oh, okay, cause I
Speaker 2: don't I know how this story ends, but I don't
Speaker 2: remember the whole ride. And they show up to basically
Speaker 2: be like, hey guy, great news, we got you at
Speaker 2: duhit offer in Europe, Like you guys couldn't have scheduled
Speaker 2: a conference call for this, really disappointing news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so when was the last time any of you
Speaker 1: had a business meeting in your house where someone stood
Speaker 1: up and presented to you. Like there wasn't a PowerPoint
Speaker 1: or anything. They were just formally standing in the living room.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about. It was lazy.
Speaker 2: There's the randomly assisted that. Yeah, so that I thought
Speaker 2: that was stupid and hilarious. It was funny. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was great that the episode needed some stupidity.
Speaker 1: But I liked Look. I liked Clay speaking of the agents.
Speaker 1: I liked Clay going out to the country. I liked
Speaker 1: the breath of fresh air that I got watching the
Speaker 1: countryside go buy in his car, watching him have alone
Speaker 1: time and process through all this stuff, watching him communicate
Speaker 1: with this player that he was that he was trying
Speaker 1: to recruit, And I don't know why he gave up
Speaker 1: so easily, but maybe you can enlighten us.
Speaker 2: You know. That was another one where the script is
Speaker 2: the script. Yeah, you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: you're limited to what the words on the page are.
Speaker 1: But I did love Wait can you refresh sof because
Speaker 1: do you or I don't know if you remember the scene.
Speaker 2: When Quinn is like, what are you going to do?
Speaker 2: So I'm Clay's dressed in a suit and he's obviously
Speaker 2: getting ready for something, and he basically says, you know,
Speaker 2: the agency didn't get all of my clients. And she's like,
Speaker 2: who did they not get? And he's like, I had
Speaker 2: this kid football prospect who's going to be the best
Speaker 2: quarterback in the NFL in four years. I remember this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I drive out to the kid's house and I
Speaker 2: have this really like it's a cute, funny pep talk,
Speaker 2: like Clay like ams himself up in the car the kid.
Speaker 2: By the way, that actor was great, perfect casting for
Speaker 2: like the all American country boy who is going to
Speaker 2: be a quarterback. But he finds out the agency had
Speaker 2: already called and said, hey, that guy's fired, and Clay
Speaker 2: it's it's Clay does give up a bit easy. I
Speaker 2: wanted to see Clay fight more. I think they're just
Speaker 2: waiting for the build when Clay like rises like a
Speaker 2: phoenix from the ashes.
Speaker 5: Like, where was this Jerry Maguire moment?
Speaker 2: I was hoping it was his Jerry Maguire moment. The
Speaker 2: one thing I did appreciate, though, was that maybe in
Speaker 2: that moment, Clay didn't have the confidence in himself. I
Speaker 2: appreciate that he was honest with the kid rather than
Speaker 2: just going because the kid goes, what would you do
Speaker 2: or if you were in my spot? And so maybe
Speaker 2: he was having a moment of just like brutal honesty
Speaker 2: and he wasn't feeling high himself. But the thing I
Speaker 2: will say to his character, it was this great moment
Speaker 2: to see his character because he said, who did they
Speaker 2: pair you with? And he says an agent's name, and
Speaker 2: Clay takes a beat and goes, Nah, you should go
Speaker 2: with so and so. It's a better fit. So it
Speaker 2: was a really cool moment of showing Clay's character and
Speaker 2: integrity that he wasn't trying to hard sell a kid
Speaker 2: out of desperation. Steady was saying, Okay, I'm not your guy,
Speaker 2: here's who you should actually be with, best of luck.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he gave up, you know, quote unquote
Speaker 1: so easily, but maybe subconsciously he was like, I I
Speaker 1: don't want to be selling this kid on me for sure,
Speaker 1: if while I'm still feeling a little insecure, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do this out of trying to make myself
Speaker 1: feel better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean less than forty eight hours ago he
Speaker 2: got fired by his good friend for dropping the ball
Speaker 2: on his career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like he recognized, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: gamble with this kid's career because I need a personal win.
Speaker 1: Like that was pretty cool. And then he goes to
Speaker 1: the largest grave ever with no date, no words other
Speaker 1: than Sarah's name, and that is strange.
Speaker 2: I'm strange. That's not the last we're going to see
Speaker 2: that giant, oversized gravestone. But yes, it is like a
Speaker 2: Texas size tombstone. And it didn't He must have been
Speaker 2: paying by the letter and he was broke that day
Speaker 2: because it's just her name, not even dates, not even
Speaker 2: a sentence.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, I was hoping this was, Like I said,
Speaker 2: all I remember is how this story ends. I just
Speaker 2: remember this scene where I come back to your house
Speaker 2: and I give a little speech, and I was hoping
Speaker 2: that I was going to come in this episode. What
Speaker 2: it has is that it's cool keep playing the fire.
Speaker 2: The one lighter highlight of the episode was at least
Speaker 2: getting to watch Jamie and Chuck recreate White Men Can't
Speaker 2: Jump on River Court.
Speaker 1: It was really fun.
Speaker 2: Quote of the episode for me was when Jamie and
Speaker 2: Chuck walk out in wardrobe and Skill says, already you
Speaker 2: know the first play right, and Jamie says to him
Speaker 2: totally just with nothing on it, just very confidently, a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, just get out of my eye line
Speaker 2: and someone call action. I like, that's great, ye.
Speaker 5: Incredible, incredible.
Speaker 1: Also I liked the scene with Nathan and Dan at
Speaker 1: the door when Dan shows up at Nathan and Haley's house.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he showed up there. Who knows
Speaker 1: why Dan's always showing up random places.
Speaker 4: He just keeps showing up.
Speaker 1: He always shows up. But I was not nice to
Speaker 1: see the two of them drop in again and have
Speaker 1: a you know, it's not a conversation we haven't heard before.
Speaker 1: But I always appreciate hearing Nathan stand up for himself
Speaker 1: with his dad because we went through so many years
Speaker 1: where he kept giving him chance after chance after chance.
Speaker 1: So that was nice to say see him say, look,
Speaker 1: it's you came back to Tree Hill, but I got
Speaker 1: nothing for you. So whatever you're going to do, you did.
Speaker 2: You guys had a lot of you had You had
Speaker 2: a lot of good scenes of this episode. Joy. I
Speaker 2: thought your stuff with Chantel when when Haley and Quinn
Speaker 2: were in the car together and you guys pos the
Speaker 2: fight to have some real talk. I bought it. I
Speaker 2: liked it all. I thought, I really liked the conflict
Speaker 2: or potential conflict of both of your careers wanting wanting
Speaker 2: different things at the same time. You wanted to go
Speaker 2: out on tour and him potentially needing to go to
Speaker 2: Europe to stay relevant and in the mix. And I
Speaker 2: thought that was so relatable, so real. Maybe not the careers,
Speaker 2: the careers quite as relatable, but that conflict though, of
Speaker 2: like whose dream gets precedents?
Speaker 4: Yeah, how do you make those decisions as a family?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I loved that His solution was you come
Speaker 2: into the kitchen and he had planned a whole tour
Speaker 2: for you with places of interest to stop and eat
Speaker 2: and things to check out, and so yeah, it was
Speaker 2: to me. I wrote the note of like that is
Speaker 2: that is top notch husbanding. That's some that's some teammate stuff.
Speaker 4: Great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great partner right there. Like I'm going
Speaker 2: to miss you, but I know where you're going to
Speaker 2: be and it's going to be fun and it's going
Speaker 2: to be yeah for a short amount of time, you know,
Speaker 2: but like, I have your back and we're going to
Speaker 2: make this work. He you know, he found solutions as
Speaker 2: opposed to just living in the problem. You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think there's something to that as well,
Speaker 4: like the because to your point, Rob, the careers are
Speaker 4: not relatable. Being a touring rock star and an NBA
Speaker 4: player are not relatable for you know, most of the world.
Speaker 4: But the reality of how does everyone get what they want?
Speaker 4: You know, each spouse and the family, because the family
Speaker 4: is its own unit, right, and so many relationships you'll
Speaker 4: see when we've done the dynamics where one person has
Speaker 4: to put their whole life on the back burner for
Speaker 4: the other. And how long does that go on? How
Speaker 4: long does someone ignore your needs before you are living
Speaker 4: in your house with a stranger, Like, we know what
Speaker 4: it can do for someone to go unconsidered for long
Speaker 4: periods of time in their home, and it's really refreshing.
Speaker 4: Rather than not that those stories aren't interesting, I think
Speaker 4: there are things we can all relate to, but it
Speaker 4: was it's such a refreshing thing to instead of going into, oh,
Speaker 4: this is what's kind of launched another conflict, immediately deciding
Speaker 4: to present a solution and in presenting a solution, show
Speaker 4: your partner how much you care about it.
Speaker 2: And it was perfect because she had just shown up
Speaker 2: for him in a really big way with this last
Speaker 2: controversy that happened, So it was the perfect opportunity for
Speaker 2: him to show up for her, like it's it's a
Speaker 2: great way of being like by the way I see
Speaker 2: you like you got me, I got yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't It wasn't from any sort of place
Speaker 1: of martyrdom. It was an active showing up. I think
Speaker 1: the fact that he actually mapped out that whole plan
Speaker 1: and got excited about it. It wasn't just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll sacrifice what I need to for you, I'm willing to. No,
Speaker 1: he was active about it. He made it fun for himself.
Speaker 1: It was a participatory experience and I loved that.
Speaker 2: And in creating that this this plan for you guys,
Speaker 2: it allows him to be a part of it. He
Speaker 2: gets to be a participant as opposed to just like, well,
Speaker 2: my wife's off doing this thing, you know, like he's
Speaker 2: he's a part of it with you guys. And another
Speaker 2: thing I liked about that conversation was I think you say, like, nah,
Speaker 2: you got to do Spain, and he makes a point
Speaker 2: of saying, no, I think it's like a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago. I think if he cites an event or
Speaker 2: if he just says a couple of years ago. I
Speaker 2: remember you talked king about how much you wanted to
Speaker 2: go back on tour. And I love that, Like he
Speaker 2: listened and he made a note, this is important to
Speaker 2: my wife. I'm going to files away.
Speaker 4: Yes. And by the way, that's exactly the sort of
Speaker 4: thing they could have given to Quinn.
Speaker 5: Well you know when I.
Speaker 4: And it just gives you something because with our time jump,
Speaker 4: you know, to hear Nathan referring to the time essentially
Speaker 4: between the end of season four and the beginning of
Speaker 4: season five, right like those years we didn't get to
Speaker 4: see that simple sentence. I remember a couple of years
Speaker 4: ago you said it fills in the blanks for the viewers.
Speaker 4: And those things are they really? I mean, you just
Speaker 4: illustrated it perfectly. Why they go so far?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we just about covered that whole episode.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to listen say.
Speaker 4: I think we should all just commit to not being
Speaker 4: misogynists and to no lazy writing. That's the bumper sticker.
Speaker 4: No lazy writing.
Speaker 1: Oh, lazy writing, I really have. I'm really hoping the
Speaker 1: next episode is a good turn about and this was
Speaker 1: just a bad moment in time that everybody was going
Speaker 1: through something crazy in their life and just could not show.
Speaker 4: Up to work except the actors. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Okay, we have a listener question. Friends. Let's we're going
Speaker 1: to get out of this episode and never return.
Speaker 4: Never to come back.
Speaker 2: You picked a good one to not watch, So, by
Speaker 2: the way, just skip right on to twelve for Nes.
Speaker 4: Honestly, by the way, there was a lot, I mean,
Speaker 4: things that bugged me in ten, but there was a
Speaker 4: lot that I really liked. Am my honorable mention in
Speaker 4: seven ten, not that anyone asks, is Taffany admitting that
Speaker 4: she she had three martinis. She wasn't on drugs, but
Speaker 4: she was definitely buzzed.
Speaker 1: Leaning on all of the uh on all of the
Speaker 1: clothing racks as she was walking.
Speaker 4: Incredible.
Speaker 5: Also that scene between her and Grubs.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, we went in on that one because that was.
Speaker 4: I'm looking for a lover and you've made the less incredible.
Speaker 1: Cameraon is asking us what's an unexpected skill or knowledge
Speaker 1: that you've gained from working on the show that you
Speaker 1: didn't anticipate needing, but now you find it valuable in
Speaker 1: your everyday life. Great question.
Speaker 2: That is a great question I have. Okay, so I
Speaker 2: have two answers. One of them is more serious and
Speaker 2: one of them is more fun. The serious one would be, uh,
Speaker 2: I discovered therapy while I was on the show, and
Speaker 2: that has been tremendously helpful for me in my life,
Speaker 2: and I still I still go to therapy. So I
Speaker 2: would say that discovering therapy that's not directly related to
Speaker 2: one Hill, but was really helpful. And I went into
Speaker 2: the show never having done it, didn't know anything about it,
Speaker 2: and then you know, I found it. Was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I could use a lot of this. The the funny
Speaker 2: thing that I took from this show, I will never
Speaker 2: forget this for as long as I live. One day,
Speaker 2: we were on set and we're doing a scene. I'm
Speaker 2: usually pretty good with my lines. I I you know,
Speaker 2: I'm off book, I'm good, but I went up on
Speaker 2: a line and so Mike le owner, a script's revisor,
Speaker 2: I go, what's what's that line like? And he gives
Speaker 2: he gives me the line blaha la la. I go,
Speaker 2: all right, thanks, and he goes, it's a good script.
Speaker 2: You should read it. I think every single job I've
Speaker 2: done since Wantree Hill, at one time or another, when
Speaker 2: I want to bust someone's balls, I dropped that line
Speaker 2: on him. It's a good script. You should read it.
Speaker 4: That's so funny.
Speaker 2: It was one of the best burns of all time.
Speaker 2: And so now I have I have Barrow and I
Speaker 2: will continue to do so for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: That's such a good yeah, and he screamed it across
Speaker 2: an active set, like because you know we're friends at
Speaker 2: this point, he's to busting my balls. But like to
Speaker 2: screen that rocks just set with like one hundred people
Speaker 2: were like.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, do you.
Speaker 2: How about y'all?
Speaker 1: Well, I think the idea of the best idea wins
Speaker 1: is something that in TV you have to kind of
Speaker 1: approach every day you show up on set, every scene
Speaker 1: you're walking into with that attitude, and I think that
Speaker 1: was something that I was able over the years to cultivate.
Speaker 1: Took a while. Sometimes you know, there's a trial and error,
Speaker 1: but the more that you learn how to really listen
Speaker 1: to someone else's idea and truly objectively try and judge.
Speaker 1: I mean you're never going to always agree, You're not
Speaker 1: always going to agree, but many times you can and
Speaker 1: usually the best idea will surface and it's obvious to everyone,
Speaker 1: like and whether that's blocking the emotional tone of a scene.
Speaker 1: And so that I think has been really helpful in
Speaker 1: my just in my everyday life, when there's any kind
Speaker 1: of just monotonous problem solving, any kind of random thing
Speaker 1: that needs to be solved, and you get a couple
Speaker 1: of brains in a room and it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: what's the best idea? How do we find that? And
Speaker 1: you sort of detach your ego from it. And I've
Speaker 1: found that to be very helpful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that it's funny my mind sort of exists between yours,
Speaker 4: because that's the motto from our show that I've kept
Speaker 4: that I repeat all the time that I say on.
Speaker 2: Everything, it's a good script, you should read it.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, I remember how striking it was to
Speaker 4: hear our executive producer say the best idea always wins.
Speaker 4: And I would say honestly that the fascination with how
Speaker 4: you build a team that can really work together that
Speaker 4: was launched by that phrase of Greg's actually led me
Speaker 4: down the sort of larger part of my answer, which
Speaker 4: is that when we started our show, I didn't know
Speaker 4: I was going to direct on it. And I know
Speaker 4: that I'm detail oriented and that there are certain sort
Speaker 4: of leadership skills that you know, I have from like
Speaker 4: growing up a camp counselor What directing led me into
Speaker 4: that I didn't expect was realizing that I'm a very
Speaker 4: good producer and that was something that had to be
Speaker 4: highlighted for me by our producers that we were close
Speaker 4: to on this show. And then I continued to it's
Speaker 4: not that I don't love directing. I do. I'd love
Speaker 4: to get back to it at some point, but I
Speaker 4: am a good producer, you know. I was on the
Speaker 4: campaign trail yesterday sorting out a bunch of things, and
Speaker 4: Busy Phillips was with me, and we were laughing about
Speaker 4: how cool it was for both of us to be
Speaker 4: back in North Carolina, like seeing of the Dawson's Creek
Speaker 4: and one Tree Hill Crimes, you know, and at one
Speaker 4: point there was a problem and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: this is how we fix it. You do this, and
Speaker 4: you do this and we'll go over here. And she
Speaker 4: was like, God, you're such a producer and we were laughing,
Speaker 4: and I realized that the shadowing I got to do
Speaker 4: that I thought was for directing really led me into
Speaker 4: going like, yeah, I love to do that. But the
Speaker 4: thing I'm naturally the best at is this, and it's
Speaker 4: and it's been so helpful for me on all the
Speaker 4: movies that I've made and the TV shows that I've
Speaker 4: made since I'm like actually becoming a producer, which I
Speaker 4: never knew I was going to be, And it's so
Speaker 4: cool and so in a way, it feels like the
Speaker 4: extension of Greg's phrase, the best idea always wins. Like
Speaker 4: you might walk into a room because you think you're
Speaker 4: gonna do this, but you're gonna wind up discovering you're
Speaker 4: great at that. And what a cool thing to be
Speaker 4: willing to sort of follow your curiosity and your natural
Speaker 4: inclinations to figuring out how to be the best member
Speaker 4: of a team.
Speaker 5: That you can.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like I would never try to be
Speaker 4: the composer on a set. I'd be like joy, you
Speaker 4: have to compose, Like you're literally so good at it.
Speaker 4: Everything for you as a song, it's music, it's a
Speaker 4: musical even like I wouldn't know you could tell me
Speaker 4: your life depends on you writing a musical, and I'd
Speaker 4: be like, it's so nice to know all of you.
Speaker 4: I loved you. You've all encouraged me to grow, Like
Speaker 4: I don't have that skill, and it's so cool, I think,
Speaker 4: especially all of us getting to be together in this
Speaker 4: way now that we get to see.
Speaker 1: The natural, Like, yeah, it takes a team.
Speaker 5: Ways that everyone's developed.
Speaker 4: It's just I just love it. I think it's really neat.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I second that emotion.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, teamwork. I love the idea that's that
Speaker 1: is so true. And I think something we forget about
Speaker 1: a lot, even falling into what you're talking about with therapy, Rob,
Speaker 1: like we we all tend we live in such a
Speaker 1: me culture that I think we forget that we really
Speaker 1: do need each other. We need each other for therapy,
Speaker 1: advice for this problem solving. Like teamwork is a real thing.
Speaker 1: You just you can get so much more done when
Speaker 1: you get out of your get out of your own
Speaker 1: way and just work as a team.
Speaker 4: You know, it's awesome.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 2: Shall we spin a wheel?
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, we need as a team. Are we
Speaker 5: spinning a wheel?
Speaker 4: Let's do it?
Speaker 2: How funny? That I just said most likely to win
Speaker 2: their fantasy football league, and I got destroyed this first week,
Speaker 2: and I'm very upset about it. Oh my gosh, that
Speaker 2: is the question most likely to win their fantasy football league.
Speaker 2: Well not Rob Buckley, apparently, stop. I don't. We don't
Speaker 2: have enough time. I know some of us have hard outs.
Speaker 2: I have twenty five minutes of complainings to do that.
Speaker 2: I just don't think our audience cares about it. Wouldn't
Speaker 2: be me, though.
Speaker 4: I will just go ahead and admit that I've never
Speaker 4: been in a fantasy football league. I've been to like
Speaker 4: the party where the people do the draft, mostly because
Speaker 4: I want the beer and the wings. But I've never
Speaker 4: done it, so I don't get it. I know it's
Speaker 4: a huge world subculture, niche.
Speaker 5: Culture, don't.
Speaker 4: I don't even know what the right word to describe
Speaker 4: it is, but I just know that I don't do it.
Speaker 5: Have you ever done it?
Speaker 2: Joy?
Speaker 1: Now? They used to pass a chart around on set
Speaker 1: member and you could put money into it, and somebody
Speaker 1: I would just like, I'd hand the five dollars and
Speaker 1: be like, put it on a square. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like the number seven and I.
Speaker 2: Like blue it's great. I got into it because my
Speaker 2: friends from high school were like, hey, we have nine
Speaker 2: of us, we need to want more playing this. And
Speaker 2: I didn't care at all about football, and I only
Speaker 2: did it because I thought, well, for four months out
Speaker 2: of the year, I'll talk more with these guys more regularly.
Speaker 2: It was just about connection, and then I caught the bug. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and now I'm trying to find the balance between I
Speaker 2: was literally just venting about this to a buddy last
Speaker 2: night because I was like, in theory, I like this game,
Speaker 2: but it's definitely not benefiting my mental health. Like I
Speaker 2: was trying to actually go, Yeah, how much of this
Speaker 2: day is about it was a hard day of parenting
Speaker 2: versus I made a terrible trade that just blew up
Speaker 2: in my face.
Speaker 5: Oh no, can I ask.
Speaker 4: A question because I don't know how this works. Do you, like,
Speaker 4: I get what it is to make a fantasy football team,
Speaker 4: But then does that mean that you have to watch
Speaker 4: all the games or is there some sort of app
Speaker 4: or website that gives you the info every week?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's it's all on an app. So it's
Speaker 2: like it's either just like three big ones that do it.
Speaker 4: I realized I just sounded like a grandma, But I
Speaker 4: just don't.
Speaker 1: I have no idea either. Why did they even pass
Speaker 1: Do you remember when they would pass around a chart
Speaker 1: on set.
Speaker 2: That wasn't fantasy football, that was betting on individual games?
Speaker 1: What's that called?
Speaker 2: That was like a football pool sometimes it can be
Speaker 2: called survivor pools. That she just called like a pick them,
Speaker 2: We'll be like five bucks on green Bay plus two points.
Speaker 1: You know, I actually have no idea what fantasy football is.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard of the term, but I I
Speaker 1: have no idea.
Speaker 2: D and D for guys who like to think they're jocks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, sounds about right and what I would like
Speaker 4: to vote for. I think the only way you could
Speaker 4: convince me to play fantasy football is to do it
Speaker 4: the way I just found out my friend's cousin did it,
Speaker 4: or rather my friend's cousin's girlfriend. She got suckered into
Speaker 4: being in a fantasy football league with a bunch of
Speaker 4: people and was like, yeah, I'll do it if I
Speaker 4: can only draft guys named Jake. So her entire team
Speaker 4: is made up of football players named Jake. And she's
Speaker 4: actually crushed people more than once now, and I'm i
Speaker 4: deeply respect it, so we will see if I can
Speaker 4: get some more information on that.
Speaker 5: She was like, don't care, don't even need to know
Speaker 5: what positions they play.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna do this for fun and see what happens.
Speaker 2: Is Jake the name of someone special in her life
Speaker 2: or was that just totally arbitrary, don't.
Speaker 1: I just noticed there's a lot of football players named Jake,
Speaker 1: And she was like, Jake.
Speaker 4: Maybe the thing is to figure out, like the how
Speaker 4: many people do you have on a team?
Speaker 2: Oh, like eleven, maybe eleven or twelve? Yeah, eleven or twelve?
Speaker 5: Oh I was close.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we should look up the I don't know,
Speaker 4: five to ten most common names in the NFL and
Speaker 4: then have our teams that way and see how we do.
Speaker 4: I'm just like one season, like everybody gets all the Johns,
Speaker 4: everybody gets all the Williams, everybody, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the problem is that, like, for example, her team
Speaker 2: right now would not have a starting quarterback, so it
Speaker 2: would be tough. I heard if someone drafting just players
Speaker 2: they thought were handsome, and I thought that was really funny.
Speaker 2: And the thing is that person will end up winning
Speaker 2: the league. It's this maddening thing. Where it's like the
Speaker 2: more effort you put into it, it's like the sweatiest
Speaker 2: guy in the league who does the most trades and
Speaker 2: analysis usually ends up doing terribly. It's the person who
Speaker 2: picks all the jakes who wins. Yeah, listen, maybe next
Speaker 2: season we do one. We just do like, you know,
Speaker 2: a small league with us, and it's just for funzies.
Speaker 2: We all throw in like fifty, but they can go
Speaker 2: to charity or whatever. It's just bragging rights. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: we can talk trash a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'll learn I want to learn it.
Speaker 4: Maybe we can get like you know, little grease jackets
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like high school football.
Speaker 1: Oh but we're a basketball show. But we could do
Speaker 1: it with basketball.
Speaker 2: They make trophies for this.
Speaker 4: Do people play fantasy basketball? Oh?
Speaker 2: It's everything is fantasy now, So if yeah, is it
Speaker 2: everyone is trying to check out these days. There's like
Speaker 2: fantasy golf, there's fantasy everything. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm down for dram Queens to become a sports podcast.
Speaker 1: I think that's hilarious, the incredible.
Speaker 4: Honestly, it would be kind of great, kind of would
Speaker 4: and then and then you and then you go to
Speaker 4: someone you're it's like, Hey, soph what'd you think about?
Speaker 5: And I'm like what, Sorry, I'm in the kitchen. I
Speaker 5: got a snack. Yeah huh yeah, Like nobody knows what's
Speaker 5: going on.
Speaker 2: That's our spinoff podcast with snacks and sports, with people
Speaker 2: who know very little about sports but love snacks. Do
Speaker 2: we have any honorable mentions?
Speaker 4: I mean, so if you don't, I one, Okay, this
Speaker 4: is what I was going to say.
Speaker 5: I remember a lot.
Speaker 6: Of this episode.
Speaker 4: I clearly did not watch it because I watched the
Speaker 4: last one Oopsie Doodles. But I'm going to go ahead
Speaker 4: and give my honorable mention not to the episode, but
Speaker 4: to this concept because I think us doing a fantasy
Speaker 4: league as a cast would actually be totally sick and
Speaker 4: we could probably make a lot of money for charity.
Speaker 4: And I really like it.
Speaker 2: I love it because like, seriously, if you wanted to
Speaker 2: go in on it, what you do is you raffle off,
Speaker 2: like someone to co manage the team with you. There's
Speaker 2: I mean, like, if this is actually don't want to
Speaker 2: do because I've seen companies do this a lot of
Speaker 2: people to raise money for seeing Jude's and like they
Speaker 2: raise obscene amounts of money for doing things like this.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's dare me, let's go.
Speaker 2: I'm on board. Okay, yeah, the honorable mention. I agree yourself.
Speaker 2: It's going to be our upcoming fantasy sports podcast in
Speaker 2: league that you all are going to be invited to,
Speaker 2: probably for a small a small fee that will go
Speaker 2: to towards charity. It's a donation donation, you know what
Speaker 2: that is.
Speaker 4: It's a tax deduction. It's a win win for everybody.
Speaker 4: What do you think, Joy, do you have something from
Speaker 4: the actual episode?
Speaker 1: I am of course on board with this, even though
Speaker 1: I really don't know anything about football, But that would
Speaker 1: still be fun because I can represent all of the
Speaker 1: people who don't know much about football but still want
Speaker 1: to engage and hang out with my friends. So I
Speaker 1: will be that person for you.
Speaker 2: I just had an idea because the name thing is terrible,
Speaker 2: it's never going to work, and I can really fill
Speaker 2: a team. How about if you did it by astrological
Speaker 2: signs like I excuse me, my team is l Vergos.
Speaker 2: They're sassy like that would be incredible great.
Speaker 4: I'll have to do a little more reading about the zodiac,
Speaker 4: but I'm into it because I will say as a
Speaker 4: person who doesn't pay much attention to it. Every time
Speaker 4: I hear an on point description of someone that I
Speaker 4: know based on their zodiac, I'm like, wait, they are
Speaker 4: exactly that person. Maybe maybe there's there's there's some there
Speaker 4: there is all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of a lead doing that, but I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: Oh friends, thanks for hanging in with us. God next episode,
Speaker 1: Season seven, episode twelve, Some roads lead nowhere. I mean
Speaker 1: that's what this episode should have been titled. Oh God,
Speaker 1: every every road led nowhere in this episode. But I'm
Speaker 1: glad the next one is going to be just as
Speaker 1: hard to find.
Speaker 4: I really hope we're on the up and it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be good.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be in to find out.
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