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Speaker 1: As a CEO in fashion authority, I know it's the

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Speaker 1: details that truly matter, and when it comes to luxury,

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Speaker 1: every stitch must be perfectly tailored. At Genesis, they've delivered

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Speaker 1: on every element of the GV eighty two line. Led

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Speaker 1: headlamps accentuate in exterior that exudes athletic elegance. Inside, discover

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Speaker 1: an expansive cabin with ambient lightning. Take a close look

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Speaker 1: at the Genesis GV eighty and you'll see lux is

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Speaker 1: in the details. Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're

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Speaker 1: listening to Climbing in Heels. This show is all about

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Speaker 1: celebrating the most extraordinary superwomen who will be sharing their

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Speaker 1: incredible journeys to the top, all while staying glamorous. Today,

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking with a longtime Frint well known jewelry designer.

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Speaker 1: I am quite certain you've all heard of Jennifer Fisher. Together,

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Speaker 1: we talk about how Jennifer's career began and when she

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Speaker 1: transitioned from styling to jewelry designer, and of course how

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Speaker 1: it started with the birth of her firstborn child. Jen

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Speaker 1: also works with her husband and we definitely have a

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Speaker 1: ton in common.

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Speaker 2: Both all the highs all the lows, all.

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Speaker 1: The in betweens, but I think it's pretty clear she's

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Speaker 1: had quite a journey. I can't wait for you to

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Speaker 1: hear this interview, and I hope you love this episode

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Speaker 1: as much as I do. All Right, So we know

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Speaker 1: each other for what feels like one hundred years through

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Speaker 1: this crazy industry and when we launched our businesses almost

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Speaker 1: like the same time, at doing different things, but like

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Speaker 1: really we've been on a very similar trajectory in terms

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Speaker 1: of like timing. Your husband is your partner, Like, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty wild. Your brand is really incredibly strong, and after

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Speaker 1: I think twenty years since you've launched it, right about

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Speaker 1: more or less. I just dropped my son in college,

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Speaker 3: I messaged Geordie.

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Speaker 4: I said something about I saw you with your boys,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, I just don't blink, because you're

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Speaker 3: It goes by so fast.

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Speaker 2: I don't miss it.

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Speaker 4: Literally, like don't miss anything, like be as be as

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Speaker 4: many things as you can be at because literally before

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Speaker 4: you know it, it's like you raise them.

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Speaker 3: You literally one weekend, Rachel dropped them off and that's it.

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Speaker 2: It's wild.

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Speaker 3: It's weird, like a proof of life.

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Speaker 4: Like I have this funny group text with my with

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Speaker 4: his roommate's mom. Yeah, really cool. So we're like, oh

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Speaker 4: my god, we have a photo of them. They're okay

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Speaker 4: because they're pledging a fraternity too right now.

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Speaker 1: So it's like literally like, which, by the way, that's

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Speaker 4: And I got a call from this morning and he

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Speaker 4: And then I got a call saying, Mom, I need

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Speaker 4: He's like, I just doing to you right now.

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Speaker 4: she's just starting going like at school and she's just

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Speaker 3: That one school is not for me. Sure, I know

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Speaker 4: So it's kids are tough and they're so mean, and

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. You know, Well, that's like our life conversation.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing. I first need to go back

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Speaker 1: I would argue to say, you know, you started a

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Speaker 2: Like that, right that just say it, do it fearless.

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Speaker 1: But I think that you starting this brand in a

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Speaker 3: I grew up in Monasito. I grew up in Barbara, California.

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Speaker 4: Like it was a completely unsupervised beach childhood. My grandfather

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, I'm a businesswoman.

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Speaker 1: I actually thought I was going to be a psychiatrist

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Speaker 4: But I got I got an internship when I was

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Speaker 4: I dated Matt Labloc Like, I mean, I'm like the

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Speaker 4: So anyways, but I ended up in New York because

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Speaker 3: So it's meaningful because it was took me friend, I

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Speaker 2: I think the closest thing is in is Dover Street probably.

440
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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, there's really there's really not a lot of places.

441
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Speaker 4: I just I feel like it was such you know,

442
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:37,800
Speaker 4: it's like back in the day it was like Fred

443
00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,720
Speaker 4: Siegell and like, you know, too hard. It's just different now,

444
00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,920
Speaker 4: but that's how the fashions are. And then I started

445
00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,399
Speaker 4: getting covers, you know, we started getting covers and covers

446
00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,360
Speaker 4: and covers from all of this jewelry that wasn't you know, delicate,

447
00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,400
Speaker 4: fine jewelry, and it was just it was more statement.

448
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,680
Speaker 4: And that's really how it just started to evolve. And

449
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,120
Speaker 4: you know, listen, I've always been a marketer. I knew

450
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Speaker 4: that I you know, and we still did this day.

451
00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,679
Speaker 4: Do not pay celebrities to wear are the jewelry at all?

452
00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,159
Speaker 4: Like the biggest compliment is like if you see j

453
00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,040
Speaker 4: Lo like coming out of the gym and hoops not

454
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,359
Speaker 4: being styled, they choose to wear it.

455
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,159
Speaker 3: And that's the best brand credit you can get.

456
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,000
Speaker 1: Because the dream it's part of their daily uniform. I mean,

457
00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,679
Speaker 1: that's the dream I think for any designer, right, Like

458
00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 1: it's a choice. It's like I'm in my closet or

459
00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm in my jewelry drawer. And I'm choosing this right,

460
00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,480
Speaker 1: like that's and these are people who have everything can have. Yeah,

461
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,560
Speaker 1: it can't pay for that, No, you literally can't. And

462
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,679
Speaker 1: I think we'll try, but you can't. Yeah, you know.

463
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,720
Speaker 1: I think we come from a time where authenticity was

464
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,240
Speaker 1: really a thing, and I think we still really hope

465
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 1: and dream that it is and it is and it isn't,

466
00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,320
Speaker 1: and it goes and it comes in the pendulum swings

467
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,200
Speaker 1: and you know, all the things. But I think at

468
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,920
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the life of an entrepreneur

469
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 1: is the most and a very common thread on this

470
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:59,280
Speaker 1: podcast is that as successful as the women are, there's

471
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,160
Speaker 1: just so much pain involved, and there's so much challenge,

472
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 1: and every day is different and you have no idea

473
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,680
Speaker 1: and right when you put out one fire, another one comes.

474
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 1: And the lows are the lowest and the highs are

475
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 1: the highest, honestly, right. But I think we're all in

476
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,879
Speaker 1: this insanity together, and I think that, you know, I

477
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,440
Speaker 1: think another thing that we really have in common that

478
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 1: a few of the women that I've had on here

479
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 1: share is that.

480
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 2: You work with your husband.

481
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 3: I do.

482
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 2: I want to.

483
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 1: Talk about that because I have worked with my husband.

484
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 1: Now I think since two thousand and nine, he was

485
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 1: an investment banker and a tech entrepreneur and you know,

486
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 1: totally different part of We do very different things.

487
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:44,640
Speaker 2: There are moments where I want to.

488
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Speaker 1: Literally kill him, and I want to talk to you

489
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: about that, because I mean, what was Kevin doing before

490
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,679
Speaker 1: that he was like, Hey, let's do this business together,

491
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: or were you like, hey, I need help, Like how.

492
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Speaker 2: Did it happen? As a CEO? Fashion already?

493
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 1: And mom, I know it's the details that truly matter,

494
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 1: and when it comes to luxury, every stitch must be

495
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: perfectly tailored. That's why driving the sleek Genesis GV eighty

496
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 1: is such a luxurious experience. The SUV's exterior design, including

497
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Speaker 1: two line led had lamps, exudes athletic elegance. When you

498
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Speaker 1: sit inside the expansive GV eighty cabin, you can customize

499
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Speaker 1: the ambient interior lighting to match your current mood, a

500
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Speaker 1: feature that makes driving in LA a more relaxed and

501
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Speaker 1: serene experience. So go ahead, take a close look at

502
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Speaker 1: the Genesis GV eighty and you'll see lux is in

503
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Speaker 1: the details.

504
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Speaker 3: Well it really was.

505
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 4: Hey I need help because I am not finance is

506
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Speaker 4: not my is not my j Mine.

507
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 1: I really am great at it. Sure, the worst thing ever.

508
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 3: I literally was like help, and he like, you know, thankfully.

509
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 4: He was sort of coming to terms with his career

510
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 4: in finance and he was like, I'm kind of ready

511
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 4: to get out of it.

512
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 3: I'm going to come help you. And then he just

513
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Speaker 3: never left. It's not to say that he's going to

514
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 3: be here forever, but he's here now.

515
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 4: And it's really you know, he would say that it's

516
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 4: easier working with me than I say with him.

517
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Speaker 3: It's just I think it's more he's like, no, you

518
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 3: can't do that, or we can't do this, or.

519
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 4: You know, he's he's such an easy going guy and

520
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 4: he's like such the yin to my yang.

521
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Speaker 3: So it's like that's why it works. I mean very

522
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 3: twenty years, you know, it's it's just similar. Yeah, because

523
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Speaker 3: we were twenty five years.

524
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Speaker 2: Together for thirty two married.

525
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Speaker 3: That's a long time. You didn't realize, you guys in

526
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Speaker 3: a lifetime.

527
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Speaker 1: Wow, legitimately a life who got married at the Rainberg

528
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Speaker 1: twenty five years ago.

529
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Speaker 3: Oh that's a dream.

530
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Speaker 1: It was a dream. It was like one of the

531
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Speaker 1: most fun nights ever, I'm sure. And now I'm thinking

532
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Speaker 1: about it.

533
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Speaker 3: I know that's so we have to talk about that too,

534
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Speaker 3: because I've done I've done. I've done too, I've done a.

535
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Speaker 4: Bar, so we can talk about that, and I can

536
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Speaker 4: talk about offline and what to do and what not.

537
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Speaker 3: I have done both large scale.

538
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 1: So but okay, So you work with your husband, you

539
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: live with your husband, and I imagine that two thousand

540
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: people ask you on the daily how do you do that?

541
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 1: Because I get asked it almost every day. How do

542
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 1: you parent? How do you co CEO? How do you

543
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: do it together and not want to kill each other.

544
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Speaker 4: So he's the most amazing father in the entire world.

545
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Speaker 4: He's a better father than I am a mother.

546
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Speaker 3: I believe.

547
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 4: He's very patient, and you know, we've been a team

548
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 4: raising these kids. And then you just want leaves, and

549
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 4: then the other one's going to leave. We're gonna be

550
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 4: empty nesters in two years. It's so crazy. It's literally

551
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 4: it works because we don't work in the same office currently.

552
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 4: So we have a Fifth Avenue flagship, which was originally

553
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Speaker 4: like our first show room to turn into a store,

554
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Speaker 4: and then now we have got our store and soho,

555
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Speaker 4: so I'm kind of moving.

556
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Speaker 3: Around a lot. He's kind of me in meeting.

557
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 4: So we when I at the end, when I'm cooking

558
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 4: dinner is normally we can talk about the salt and

559
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 4: the kicklater, but when I'm cooking dinner sort of when

560
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 4: we catch up. So the problem is is that you're

561
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Speaker 4: never off and you never you know that it's like

562
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 4: twenty four to seven, you're it's like an email will

563
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 4: come through, you'll get a text, we'll get a slack

564
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 4: and it's like we've got on this call on this.

565
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 4: But it's literally like being a it's a family unit team,

566
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 4: you know.

567
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Speaker 1: It's and what do you rather him than someone that

568
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: you were questioning?

569
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 3: That's the thing. I mean, you trust them.

570
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Speaker 4: So it's it's you know, at some point I'm kind

571
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 4: of I'm like, well maybe, but I don't you know,

572
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 4: I don't know.

573
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: We'll see where it is, we'll see the same.

574
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 3: We're growing and changing and I don't know. I can't.

575
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 3: I don't want to say never.

576
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 4: But like, you know, he's he probably be happier going

577
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 4: and working in like Wavepool technology because he serves and

578
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 4: he's invested in something like that. That's that's that's opening

579
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 4: in like Palm Springs. I think you must rather be

580
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 4: doing that, so see where we go. But but now

581
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 4: it's it's the cool thing is it's allowed us. And

582
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Speaker 4: I'm sure you and Roger have this exact same experience

583
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Speaker 4: of like being able to do you know, run your

584
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 4: brand and do everything and and to parents together. It

585
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 4: really kind of very I have to say, I that's

586
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Speaker 4: one thing that I would not take back. And I

587
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 4: haven't actually ever talked about this before. I'm just sort

588
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 4: of realizing this as I'm talking to you. Like the

589
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 4: experience that we've had in being able to be around

590
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 4: more together, parent our kids together, such a gift.

591
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: Yes, what I hate saying COVID is a gift because

592
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 3: it wasn't a gift.

593
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: When I say, exactly the same way.

594
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Speaker 4: Of like having my kids home in those years of

595
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 4: like being those teenagers where they'd be out running and partying.

596
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: In New York City like and all of that.

597
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 4: And figuring out what to do with am I you know,

598
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 4: with the business during COVID that running, which is a

599
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 4: whole other story, like it together. I mean, it's a

600
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 4: really amazing bond that as a family unit that your

601
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Speaker 4: kids get to also learn from, and it's just it's

602
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 4: a very good model for them to sort of fallow,

603
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, it follows on each other.

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Speaker 1: I totally I totally agree, and I think you're one

605
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Speaker 1: hundred percent agree on all accounts. I think, like Roger

606
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Speaker 1: and I always say, like, you know, we've been close

607
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: with the Massoni family forever, right, and we used to

608
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: watch their business and just be like, what a beautiful

609
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: thing that they can like roll as a family, roll

610
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: as a pack, like Divide and conquered. They all have

611
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: one goal, right, And I think for us it was

612
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: always like, Okay, we are going to New York for

613
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: whatever CFDA awards or we're doing. It was us right.

614
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: We would take our kids. We didn't have to have

615
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 1: these totally separate lives. And again, pros and cons, right,

616
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: but I think overall the pros really outweigh the cons.

617
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: And I think I think there are those moments where

618
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my God, leave my house, leave my room,

619
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Speaker 1: leave my everything, and then you know, but at the

620
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: same time, it's like it really allows you the freedom

621
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Speaker 1: when you have children to really be that model for

622
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Speaker 1: them and stay together, and that's really nice.

623
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Speaker 4: I don't know if you realize it or if people

624
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 4: will tell you this enough but you really can tell

625
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 4: how well you guys parent those boys and how much

626
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 4: your kids you know, And I actually, it's so funny.

627
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 3: I saw you one night.

628
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 4: I didn't want to interrupt you because you're with your

629
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: son and I was having a group dinner and I

630
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 4: saw you with him, and it was just you were

631
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 4: so engaged with him.

632
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: I just wanted to give.

633
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 4: You that coming because I was like, this, that's a

634
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Speaker 4: real mothering mom.

635
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Speaker 2: You know, really leave them, I really don't leave them.

636
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 4: Really beautiful to see, and I was I didn't want

637
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 4: to interrupt you, so I didn't, but just just.

638
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: You're doing amazing.

639
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: Thank you.

640
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's it's, without question, the thing I

641
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: love most. And I I choose not to leave them

642
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: unless I have to, you know, But I but I,

643
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: but I I want to give you, well, first of all,

644
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: thank you, and it's probably the best compliment you could

645
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: ever give me. So thank you. And oh I could

646
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: see again. And I think this stuff is really hard.

647
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: I think it's all hard. I think what I want

648
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: to give you credit for is you're actually you're like

649
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: starting a whole nother business. And I want to talk

650
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: about that because all of a sudden one of my

651
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: really good friends, Ali and Maradone, who's one of the

652
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: most favorite people.

653
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.

654
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: It's one of my heart for ten years, twelve years,

655
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

656
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: And she's amazing.

657
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: And she started talking about your salts and I was like,

658
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what it's like jewelry. She's like salt, yes, jewelry,

659
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: of course, but like salt. And I'm like, talk to me,

660
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: so please tell me, because you are this like you

661
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: have so much energy. You have so much energy, right,

662
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I see you posting

663
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: about cooking and these seasonings and I'm like, hold on, what,

664
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Speaker 1: like what just happened? And so please tell me about

665
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: this and why. Obviously it's a passion and obviously you

666
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: love cooking.

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Speaker 3: It's honestly, Rachel. It's like one of those things like

668
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: the jewelry. It started. It started because I couldn't find

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Speaker 3: what I wanted, so I made my own. It's literally

670
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Speaker 3: like how it started.

671
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 4: I have hashimotos so I have an autoimmune disorder.

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00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: So my mother, well I intermitten fast. Now, I mean

673
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: most women, a lot of people have it. People should

674
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Speaker 3: get for it.

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Speaker 2: I get tested.

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Speaker 4: I get tested yeah, you need to, especially moones and

677
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 4: all of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: But that's the whole other thing we can talk about.

679
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Speaker 4: But I wanted to find something to put on my

680
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 4: eggs in the morning because I love poach eggs and

681
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 4: would always eat eggs in the morning.

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Speaker 3: And I couldn't.

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Speaker 4: I literally like scour like I would go to like

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Speaker 4: I mean, like when Tina d Luca was around, I

685
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 4: would go to like any like you know, amazing specialty

686
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 4: grocery store, and I was trying to find like the

687
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 4: right salt and the right blend of things that I

688
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 4: wanted to eat, and there was nothing out there. It

689
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: was like a rub or like potpourri. And I was like,

690
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 4: this is crazy, this is like literally insane. So I

691
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 4: my father used to ship me in New York h

692
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 4: lemons and avocados from his trees, and I would know,

693
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 4: for real, I get these I get these USPS boxes

694
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: and I'd open weapon.

695
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Speaker 3: It's always lemons and avocados.

696
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: My mom and dad would always do that, and so

697
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 4: I would grate the lemon the lemon rind because I

698
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 4: never wanted to waste anything, and I would try it

699
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 4: and I would use it.

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Speaker 3: I always cooked. My mom sent me to cooking class

701
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Speaker 3: after school, and I love it. Oh we should cook.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't do it because I mean I

704
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Speaker 1: cook for my kids. But like I don't cook cook

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Speaker 1: because I just.

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Speaker 3: I don't cook cook with like the rest of these

707
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: are like the like stupid reath.

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Speaker 4: My respies are like I don't want to say stupid,

709
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 4: but like my recipes are literally like for dummies. Like

710
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 4: it's like one of those things. It's fool proof, it's

711
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: the easiest thing. I didn't go to like real cooking school.

712
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 4: I went to cooking school in sixth grade. I learned

713
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: how to make bounties and an orange julius. Like it's

714
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 4: literally that's my skill set. But for some reason it

715
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 4: really relaxes me. And I, you know, I think you

716
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 4: know all day and so when I get in the kitchen,

717
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 4: I start like chopping an onion. It's like it's literally

718
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 4: like my body relaxes and I feel like a different person.

719
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Speaker 4: And I used to always say I don't go to therapy,

720
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 4: I cook, But no, then I started going to therapy

721
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Speaker 4: because my father died, So I can't really.

722
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: Say that anymore. But I'm not currently in therapy.

723
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Speaker 4: But I that was always my motto because it really

724
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Speaker 4: works for me and I I I it just relaxed me.

725
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: So anyway, So I had this little blend of salts

726
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Speaker 4: on the side of my stove and as one did

727
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Speaker 4: you'll remember this on Instagram when everyone was putting their

728
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Speaker 4: freaking avocado toast.

729
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: On Instagram and bad. So I built it. I did

730
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Speaker 3: it on.

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Speaker 4: My jewelry account and literally more people were like what.

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Speaker 4: First of all, you can poach an egg? That's crazy,

733
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 4: and how do you know how to cook? And then

734
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: second of all, it was before DMS, it was like

735
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 4: comments and it was like then it was like, well,

736
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 4: what is it?

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Speaker 3: What's seasoning is that on your eggs?

738
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, it's this stuff that I like,

739
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 4: you know, keep on the side of my stove and whatever.

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Speaker 3: And then like, well where do you buy it? And

741
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: I was like wait a minute.

742
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 4: And it was like literally more people asking about the

743
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 4: food than like than jewelry and celebrities.

744
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 3: So I was like, this is crazy. And so we

745
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: did a holiday gifting to editors.

746
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 4: You know what that feels like, you get them just

747
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 4: everywhere Christmas and no one wants a chocolate bar with

748
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 4: my face or logo. So I was like, you know what,

749
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 4: let's give everybody something healthy that they can eat at

750
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Speaker 4: their desk when there were editors at desks and offices,

751
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 4: because I was like, you know, they're stuck in the

752
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 4: office late, so we give me avocado, a lemon, some

753
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: spicy saluce, some chili oil, and some like clean tortilla chips.

754
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 4: And I was like, here's you know, a little thing

755
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 4: on how to make your desk mash so like healthy

756
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 4: when you're stuck there eight o'clock, writing like a you know,

757
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 4: gift guide. So I literally we did, and we literally

758
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 4: got I got more like thank you notes from like

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00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 4: editor in chiefs of magazines and like you know who

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00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: of like people that while genius, like smart thing to do,

761
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Speaker 4: and I was like, I wasn't trying to be and

762
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 4: genius are smart. I just was sending you guys something

763
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 4: that I thought would work. It was just like I

764
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 4: thought you would like it. And food really resonates with people,

765
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 4: and I had no idea how powerful feeding people is,

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Speaker 4: and you know, people just want to feel good and

767
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: people people, what do we do three times a day?

768
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Speaker 3: We eat?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But also I think it goes back to the

770
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Speaker 1: fact that you're a marketer at the end of the.

771
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: Day, right, I'm a hustler.

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Speaker 1: You're a hustler, you're a marketer, and you're a product person,

773
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: like at the end of the day, and I think,

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00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen a lot of teasers on your

775
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: social you're launching something new, You're.

776
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: Launching so many things.

777
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: And we have a new well I mean my new

778
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 4: website which we've worked on for months and now it's disappeared,

779
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: and do space.

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00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: It's coming back. It's coming back, and it's going to

781
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: come back even better.

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00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: They're like, we don't know, it's just gone.

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Speaker 1: I don't even understand how that what that could even

784
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: or at all, you can't Maybe so many people wanted

785
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: the hoops that it crashed.

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00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: It's like when you have like big dev guys and

787
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 4: like they're looking at and they're like, we literally like

788
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: can't figure it out.

789
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: Well, of course, it's like a doctor telling you they've

790
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: never seen this before.

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00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly great, exactly right, and you're like, oh, I

792
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: won't worry.

793
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: At all, right, right, right, that makes me feel so

794
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: much better.

795
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Speaker 4: So no, we you know, we're launching there's a lot

796
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 4: of things that are coming, a lot of exciting things.

797
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: A lot of changes. You know.

798
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 4: We we needed the website, We needed an evolution of

799
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 4: the brand, and we needed to sort of free brand

800
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 4: and it needed to not just be me anymore. You know,

801
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 4: at one point we were using models and then we

802
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 4: went to me and then you.

803
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Speaker 2: Convert way higher.

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Speaker 4: That's why gay higher and so but then you know

805
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 4: you're talking to people, you know, because I'm we we

806
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 4: don't have any outside investment or investors, but we will

807
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 4: be taking that and will be growing and you know,

808
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 4: the top of it can only be top of funnel,

809
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 4: you know what that's like. So it's like, just be

810
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 4: everything because what if I get hit by train tomorrow

811
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: or something. So you've got to No one wants to

812
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 4: invest in that. So we had to bring in some

813
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 4: new characters and so it looks really beautiful and it's

814
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 4: really exciting. It's going to be a new you know,

815
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 4: we haven't scrapped it and restarted in a very long time,

816
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 4: and we needed to fix you know, a lot of things.

817
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 3: And you know, everyone's shopping on their phones.

818
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 4: Now, you know, it's different, you know, you people are

819
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 4: on their phones shopping. So we just had to really

820
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 4: kind of you know, turn it around and it's it's

821
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: a much better experience and you know, new PDP photography

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00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: and it's just all of it. You know, it's amazing

823
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: we even sold anything. We didn't even show charms on model.

824
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 4: Like it's literally mind boggling that we actually even sold

825
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 4: an a jewelry over the last eighteen years.

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Speaker 3: It's like crazy, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: How well, what do you mean, you don't know how

828
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Speaker 1: I mean? I mean, of course, it's like it's like

829
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: a cult fear. I mean, it's it's amazing. I think

830
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: that's the thing. And I think that's the one thing

831
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: that I really want to touch on is you know,

832
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: it's not easy building a brand.

833
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: You know that.

834
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: I know that, and it's only through the process of

835
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: years ago meeting like a lot of you know, people

836
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: in suits talking to me about my brand and talking

837
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: to me about my business and people who don't even

838
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: speak the same language. But you know, the one thing

839
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: they did say to me that was a big takeaway

840
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: for me and something I took for granted that I

841
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: want to commend you for is that, you know what

842
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: they said to me and every single meeting was you've

843
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: done the hard part. You've actually built the brand and

844
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: that is the hardest thing to do. And I don't

845
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: think I really understood what they meant by that because

846
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: it's me the same as you. When it's you, you

847
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: don't realize that you're building the brand because it's you, right,

848
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: So it's like, this is your business. So like now

849
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: that you know I have all these different extensions and

850
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: partnerships and licenses and all these different things, it's like, okay, wait,

851
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: this is exciting the brand. The name means something to people,

852
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: because I'm so in it, I don't mean something to myself.

853
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm so over myself, right, So it's like it's like

854
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't be more sick of myself. It's sort of

855
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: like what I want to say is that twenty years later,

856
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, and working with your husband and doing all

857
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: these things and launching, you know, your seasonings and launching

858
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: other categories and launching all these things and relaunching your website,

859
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: and you know, it's a lot, and it's really fucking hard,

860
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: and it's really hard and as a parent and co parenting,

861
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: it's just all a lot. And so I see you

862
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: first of all, and second of all, like you know,

863
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: I want to really just give you the highest compliment

864
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: on that, because it's not easy. And I think to

865
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Speaker 1: even like even at this point in life, at this stage,

866
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: at this age in the business and the business changing

867
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: and constantly changing your business to fit the business, you know,

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00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: it's like it's the thing, right, And I think at

869
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's it's a hard road

870
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: that always continues to be hard. And I want to

871
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: point that out for our listeners because it's sort of like,

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00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: you know, they see Jennifer Fisher and they see who

873
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: you are on your social and they see you know,

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00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: everyone from j Loo to Taylor Swift to this person

875
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: that person wearing your jewelry, and you know, I think

876
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: that it's sort of like the brand is so large

877
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: and the whatever, but you're on the inside of that, right,

878
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: and it's sort of like, hey, those struggles are real.

879
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: And we've had everyone from you know, Candice Nelson, Mony Glulier,

880
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: We've had everyone on here talking about the building of

881
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: the brand and the and the and the journey there, right,

882
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: And so for you, now what what like you go

883
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: to sleep terrified, you wake up terrified, You get excited.

884
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah I do, and it's lonely too.

885
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 4: I think that not enough women support other women in

886
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 4: like of what we're doing, and it's a very lonely space.

887
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: People don't realize that. They see us on social they

888
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: see us at parties, they see us with famous people,

889
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 4: they see us like, you know, and they think that, like,

890
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, it's a very

891
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 4: lonely road. And it's it's terrifying daily and it's it's

892
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 4: really really fucking hard, Like it is. It is constantly

893
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 4: being able to pivot on a dime and come back

894
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 4: and like, Okay.

895
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 5: We're here at the event and you're dressed and you

896
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 5: look this way and you've you know, and no one

897
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 5: knows that the terror that you've gone through that day,

898
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 5: and then you still show up.

899
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 3: You know. It's Listen, it takes a certain person.

900
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 4: To be able to do it, and not everyone is

901
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 4: built to do what we do, and that's okay, but

902
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 4: those of us that do it and are in it,

903
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 4: we really love it. You would not be doing this

904
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 4: if we did not live for this and die for this. Like,

905
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 4: I literally love what I do. I feel so grateful

906
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 4: that I am here every day and have the opportunity

907
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 4: to be in terror and to like live this this

908
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 4: dream it's just it's going to pay off, you know,

909
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 4: and it's like it's really you know, and in this day.

910
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 3: And age is also I want to touch on. You know,

911
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: people think it's so easy to start a brand.

912
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 4: They think they can just go down wherever and buy

913
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 4: some jewelry and put it on Instagram and say that

914
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 4: they are a brand now and whatever.

915
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: And it's just it's different these days.

916
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 4: And I think the key, like with you and I

917
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 4: is like really just staying true to like who we

918
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 4: really are. Like I'm also I'm shifty too, like I

919
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: don't you know, if you don't like me, that's okay,

920
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, there's gonna be twenty other

921
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 4: people that do, and it's pinny more of that don't.

922
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: And it's that's just life. You know.

923
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 4: None of us like the word same sneakers, none of

924
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 4: us like the same clothes. Like it's that's that's totally okay.

925
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 4: And I think you have to finally be okay with

926
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 4: that and stop looking around, and then that's when things

927
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 4: can really change and be transformative for you. I think

928
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: when you're kind of like this is just me, take

929
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 4: it or leave it, and if you don't, that's okay,

930
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 4: no hard feelings.

931
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: Like it's like the minute you stop giving a fuck

932
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: what people think, that's exactly right, right, and then all

933
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the peace gate to open.

934
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I really I really like anymore.

935
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 4: It's like it's like, okay, you know, I don't fine,

936
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 4: you know, and that's all right, and I'm not mad

937
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 4: about it. It doesn't you know, Yeah, you just sometimes it

938
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 4: hurts your feelings. But like I'm older, like I've got kids,

939
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 4: Like I don't have time this shit, like you know

940
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like move on?

941
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: So what what excites you the most? Like what's next?

942
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: What's next? As we look forward, because right now you're everywhere,

943
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: you're relaunching.

944
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 2: Once this your website reappears.

945
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: We've tonight when it comes back and all its perfection

946
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: and it's beautiful.

947
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: Great it comes baxt night. I literally yeah, it's coming back.

948
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 4: I have to like I didn't take to show, Like

949
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 4: I have to go from I'm going from this right

950
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: now to go do a party at my store on

951
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 4: this afternoon.

952
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: The biggest thing that you're excited about.

953
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: Now for that brand, No, there's you know, we're going

954
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 3: into different things. You know, Listen, there's the food.

955
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 4: There's and I know we didn't talk about my CD

956
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 4: two collaboration that I did with CB two. I did

957
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 4: a whole line of furniture and home with them.

958
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 2: Amazing.

959
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was that was literally.

960
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 4: What we were going into COVID. Like my my swirl

961
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 4: dish out. I did this black and white kind of

962
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 4: gray swirl dish and it's like twelve dollars. It outsold

963
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 4: the white dish on their website. So like that was

964
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 4: like a really fun partnership. So it's I'm working on

965
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 4: a cookbook. We just finished the proposal that's going. I

966
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 4: didn't really us it takes so long to do books.

967
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: I know, I like watching the page each one of

968
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: each one of my books took a full year and

969
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: then you promote it.

970
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 4: They're telling me like two years, Like I got to

971
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 4: get this out. This is crazy.

972
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: It's wild.

973
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: It's wild. Wild.

974
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: It's that process like where there's so many things and

975
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 4: it's like it's wild.

976
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: And I was literally like, okay, this next, it's like crazy.

977
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 3: So it's it's listen.

978
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 4: I'm really happy and grateful that like I get to

979
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 4: do all of this stuff because it's every day is different.

980
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: I'd be so bored if I had a different type

981
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: of job.

982
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 4: You know, I I don't know exactly where I'm going,

983
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 4: and I feel like that's okay, and that's you'll you

984
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 4: know what it's like when you're talking to the suits,

985
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 4: So like, what's your five year plan?

986
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: I don't know what my tomorrow freaking plan is. What

987
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: are you talking about, right.

988
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 3: That's your three to five year plan. I'm like, everything

989
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 3: changes every day.

990
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the three to six month

991
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 1: plan because I can talk to you about that tomorrow.

992
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: I know what I'm doing in La Listen.

993
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: It's scary, but you look for it and baby too,

994
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: You're still standing and I standing.

995
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 4: We're doing it, friend, Like it's not easy and parenting

996
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 4: in it and like everything in it. Like people think,

997
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 4: you know, it looks easy. It is the furthest thing

998
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 4: from it.

999
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like it's like, what's the opposite of easy?

1000
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: And don't say difficult because that's not even the right word.

1001
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 3: But we do.

1002
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I think it's the fear, but it's

1003
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: the excitement. And I think at the end of the

1004
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: day you're doing it, I'm personally very excited to see

1005
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: all the things, and you know, I'm a fan, and

1006
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: we all love it and just keep doing it and

1007
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: you look gorgeous.

1008
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: Thank you. While we were talking about, well that's.

1009
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: What we're going to really talk about.

1010
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: That talk about need I need to really need to

1011
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: really talk about that book out anyway, seriously, huge, congratulations.

1012
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: You have so much fucking energy. I love it.

1013
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: I literally love it. I think it's so contagious. I

1014
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: love it, and I I love how much you love me.

1015
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: I love him.

1016
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really I'm really happy that, like we're getting

1017
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 4: to know each other, Like I think you're I think

1018
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:09,959
Speaker 4: you're rad.

1019
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: And I were you coming up to me at a

1020
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: party at the Bowery. Do you remember this? You came

1021
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: up to me at a party at the Bowery.

1022
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 3: I introduced myself to you.

1023
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: If you came over to me and you go Rachel

1024
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: Jennifer Fisher. I was like, oh my god, and you

1025
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: were like.

1026
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: Why aren't we friends? And I was like, I don't know,

1027
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: Like it was sort of like I was.

1028
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: Like, I do you remember that? I do remember that?

1029
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: Because I was like, no, no, I think Rachel so

1030
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: doesn't like me. So I'm gonna say.

1031
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: I like everybody, you have to really fuck me over

1032
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: for me not to like.

1033
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 4: You, and I was like, Hi, I'm gonna say hi,

1034
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 4: Like I'm one of those like I'm so not shy.

1035
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: I'm like, I go talk to that person like you? Why? Why?

1036
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 3: Why be shy? What a waste of time? I know.

1037
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: I love it. I'm so happy we're connected now. And

1038
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: thank you so much.

1039
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so happy you came on and

1040
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: we have so much more to talk about, so so

1041
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: much more, and just keep doing it.

1042
00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: Thank you too.

1043
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 4: I'm here for it, killing it, five it.

1044
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: It's that time in the show when I answer to

1045
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: listener questions. So let's see what we have today. What

1046
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: is your favorite transitional jacket for fall? I live in

1047
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: the Southeast and it's just starting to cool off. I

1048
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: have so many jackets. I am a jacket collector. I

1049
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: think of all the things I have in my collection,

1050
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: I think I have the most jackets and coats because

1051
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: I just love them, and I can make an argument

1052
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: or a story or an excuse to wear any weight

1053
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: coat in any type of weather. But I would say

1054
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: my favorite transitional jacket for fall, I think is always

1055
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: like a midweight leather or suede jacket. I have a

1056
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: few with fringe that I love because I never get

1057
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: sick of wearing fringe. I love a Moto jacket. I

1058
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: have one with gold hardware. I have one with silver hardware,

1059
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, in brown, in black. I think jackets like

1060
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: that that you can sort of wear on your shoulders,

1061
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: you know, or wear on with just even a simple

1062
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: T shirt and jeans, I think is always fun and

1063
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: of course, like a black blazer would be something to

1064
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: just have in anyone's wardrobe to wear all year round

1065
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: with pretty much anything. Dress it up or dress it down,

1066
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: but it's always the best transitional jacket for fall. Okay,

1067
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: second question, My kids are back to school and I

1068
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: was wondering if you send your kids to school with

1069
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: a packed lunch or do they eat lunch from school.

1070
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: It's a very funny question actually, because as siblings are different.

1071
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: My older son's guy I've like, have not packed lunch

1072
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: for him since he was maybe in first grade, and

1073
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: my younger son, Caius will only.

1074
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: Eat my lunch.

1075
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: Basically, he has hot lunch maybe one or two days

1076
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: a week at school, but other than that I pack

1077
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: him a lunch because he always wants mommy's lunch and

1078
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: he's very picky. Don't forget to submit your questions for

1079
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: next week's episode. All you have to do is dm

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00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: us your questions to at Climbing in Heels pod on

1081
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: Instagram and I may just answer your question. I want

1082
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: to thank Jen so much for coming on. I want

1083
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: to thank her for being the most candid honest. I

1084
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: think she's just a straight shooter. She really just says

1085
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: what she means, means what she says. She does not

1086
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: hold back on anything, which I just always have so

1087
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: much admiration for because I, you know, I'm definitely I

1088
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: think a little more reserved for sure, and I think,

1089
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of love that fearlessness about her.

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Speaker 1: I learned so much in this episode. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: cannot believe that she found out she had cancer before

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Speaker 1: she had her kids, had two surrogates that didn't work,

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Speaker 1: and then was told not to have children, and then

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Speaker 1: had too healthy children naturally, which is just you know,

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Speaker 1: it kind of shows you you manifest you dream, two

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Speaker 1: miracle babies, and then really launching a career out of

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Speaker 1: a dream and something she loves. And I think many

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Speaker 1: of us who are these female entrepreneurs, the fight is

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Speaker 1: always real, the challenges are real, the winds are huge,

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Speaker 1: the falls are huge, and you just feel things really deeply.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's ten times more when you work

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Speaker 1: with your husband, because it's your whole life, it's your

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Speaker 1: whole family, it's the stakes are very high all the time.

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Speaker 2: So I hope you loved this episode as much as

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 1: And as always, don't forget to write a review wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. It really helps us and I

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Speaker 1: love reading them. And while you're at it, follow me

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Speaker 1: on at Rachel Zo and at Climbing in Hills pod

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Speaker 1: on Instagram for more updates and upcoming guests, episodes, and

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Speaker 1: all things creature.

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Speaker 2: Wow