1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Ron Ananian, I think sometimes auto repair is a very 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: underappreciated industry. It's the best days the Car Doctor. If 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: you can find that sixteen in trim you want for 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: pulp it up to it? Does it fit? Welcome to 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: the radio home of Ron Andanian, The Car Doctor, since 6 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: this is where car owners the world overturned to for 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: you a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 10 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: take your calls at eight five five five six, and 11 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: now he running, Hey, hey, running in The Car Doctor 12 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: here eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero, 13 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: here to take your calls and answer your questions. We're 14 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: taking no prisoners today here on the Car Doctor. We're 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: here to fix your car and solve your problem zero 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: nine nine zero zero. More information at Car Doctor show 17 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: dot com. 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That's along in my own radio, probably longer 25 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: if I've been fixing cars for forty three about oil changes, 26 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: and it really struck home this week and last hour. 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: We talked about it in the opening rant about variable 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: valve timing and some of the things that that creates 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: and issues for in the case of why an oil 30 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: change has to be done in a timely efficient manner. 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: The twelve Odyssey that came in the shop this week 32 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: really drove the nail and the coffin for the argument 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: any other which way, two thousand twelve on Odyssey came 34 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: in on Thursday with a P thirty four hundred val 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: pause system failure. Somebody raise their hand and askment with 36 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: the valve plus system is yeah, you're the guy in 37 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: the back row, that's right. The valve pause system is 38 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: part of Honda's cylinder deactivation system where they'll make it 39 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: run on four cylinders instead of six as they move 40 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: the rock arm shafts around and do different things, and 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: it's part of the control system that incorporates that. Look 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: at all the different things they're doing with oil over 43 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: the days when an oil oil was just meant to lubricate, 44 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: cool and carry dirt away. Now it's doing everything else. 45 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: This this fault is a problem with the oil pressure 46 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: switch on the rear bank cylinder head not activating properly. 47 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: And it's a basic on off switch, but what happened 48 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: was it was in the on position the PCM commanded 49 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: and this vehicle was running in four cylinder mode all 50 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: the time, which kind of really made for a lack 51 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: of power, shall we say. After some diagnosis and disconnecting 52 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: and seeing that it never changed changed in terms of 53 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: going from off to on and vice versa, new was 54 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: a bad switch. Found a bolton that talked about it. 55 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: And here's the best part, and this is how you 56 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: know the bulletin is is just dead nuts on the money. 57 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: The switches that I got from Honda were brown. The 58 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: ones I took out of the car were blue. And 59 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: what that tells me is they've changed vendors, they've changed 60 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: and they've upgraded the part that they want to make 61 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: sure nobody puts a blue switch back, and they want 62 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: to make sure they're putting in brown switches because that's 63 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: going to be the right color going forward, and that 64 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: shows you the severity of the problem. The point I'm 65 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: trying to make here is oil isn't just oil anymore. 66 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: Cars are clearly not cars anymore, and the amount of 67 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: electronics under the hood can't even be discussed in a 68 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: single conversation. So be smart, get your oil changed on 69 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: a regular basis, and talk to your mechanic and see 70 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: what they need. And don't be out there trying again 71 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: is done. Get it done as cheap as you possibly can, 72 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: because cheap just doesn't work out when it comes to 73 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: repairing a car. N Zero. I am run the Eating 74 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: of the Car doctor, and I am here this hour, 75 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: and I hope you're enjoying what you're hearing so far, 76 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: and if not, can you call and let me know 77 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: what else I can do to make it better. But 78 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: I am here to answer your questions and take your calls. 79 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: Let's get over and start with as we kicked the 80 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: garage doors open this hour, let's go over and talk 81 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: to Dan Middletown, Connecticut, oh eight Dodge Avener. Daniel, we 82 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: spoke last week about this car, did we not? Yes, 83 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: we did. Refresh my memory? What was going on with it? Well? 84 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: I was getting like seventeen codes, and I ran through 85 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: the codes for you. And when you heard the last 86 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: communication with body control Module A, you told me to 87 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: disconnect the battery, put the cables together for a little while, 88 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: then then connected to reboost the computer system. And that 89 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: didn't work. Okay, So do you still have Do you 90 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: still have the seventeen codes? Uh? No, no, I got 91 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: some of them, but not all sevent and uh. But anyway, 92 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: what's actually happening with the car is when you're driving. 93 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: When I'm driving it, every time I hit the gas pedal, 94 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: the check engine light comes on, and the oil pressure 95 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: light comes on and flashes at the same time, and 96 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: and um, and the techometer and speedometer flutters at the 97 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: same time. That happened but without my foot when I don't. 98 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: When I take my foot off the pedal doesn't matter 99 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: how fast I'm going. I could be going eight and 100 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: nothing happens. The light staring on, it's like nothing's wrong. 101 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: Only when I hit the guests. Let me ask you this, 102 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: the check engine lights coming on? What codes are there? Um? 103 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,559 Speaker 1: I got? I got like high speed cam communication, bust 104 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: EM signal circuit problem, lost communication with body control module 105 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: valid data received from seatbelt. So this car has a 106 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: slew of communication faults. It was seventeen at one time. 107 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: So let's let's start the conversation here. I don't think 108 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: this is your problem, but if you've been listening long enough, 109 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: you know I always kind of give you that what 110 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 1: I don't think it is, and then we talk about 111 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: what I think it is. All right, UM, I always 112 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: start the question when I get cars with multiple communication faults. 113 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: Do you know the history of this car? Dan? Have you? Have? 114 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: You owned it from one owner, one owner, one owner, 115 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: forty nine miles? Um? You know? Do you think it 116 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: was in an accident? Do you think it could be 117 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: a flood car? Do you think it was ever stolen? 118 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: I don't think so that There were. There were two 119 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: leaks that I found in the car. One was the 120 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: the windows the wind shield washer hosed inside running along 121 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: the front of the hood underneath was was broken and 122 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: when it was turned on, water would be coming from that. 123 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: And then on the trunk in the trunk when I 124 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: lifted the trunk, I heard water when I lifted it 125 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: up inside the trunk panel M see. You know. Water 126 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: of leaks just make it that much more interesting. But 127 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: this this problem just sort of came up out of 128 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: nowhere and just started on its own recently. Right, it's 129 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: not like it's uh, um, seven weeks after I bought it, 130 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: so it's not like they know about it. Well, don't 131 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: be so sure that that's right. This is the car 132 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: you had, This is the car you had purchased from 133 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: the dealer. Right. Yeah. Um. Where I would be going 134 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: is I would be focusing on the communication faults, and 135 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: I would want to be I want to I would 136 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: want to hook up dealer level tool, good scan tool 137 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: and look to see who's on the bus. Communication diagnosis 138 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: starts with seeing whose president. It's like taking attendance in 139 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: a classroom. Who's here and who's not, and then you've 140 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: got to go and figure out why they're not all right. 141 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: I've had everything from water and bulkhead connectors. That's why 142 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: I was asking about water leaks and water damage I've had. 143 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: I've had cars that were flood cars with water issues. 144 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: To just connect problems. Two modules that just aren't alive 145 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: or awake that cause a problem. Every go ahead, one 146 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: more thing it does when you drive it in reverse, 147 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: nothing happens. What do you mean? Nothing happens? Nothing? You 148 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: don't get no lights, nothing happens. Uh, it seems fine. 149 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: If you can drive it in reverse all day if 150 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: you want, you won't have any symptoms. Oh that's interesting. 151 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: Could that maybe the debt? Maybe the I would be like, well, no, 152 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: I would be looking more towards how the engine pivots 153 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: and moves. This is a three or five front wheel drive, right, yeah, 154 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: I would start thinking about how the engine pivots and 155 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: moves and reverse you're loading the engine in the wrong 156 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: direction or in the opposite direction. I wonder what would 157 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: happen if your power breaked it first and forward, and 158 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: then power breaked it and reverse? Because you do, could 159 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: you duplicate it? And then if if if if if? 160 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: If that doesn't work, I wonder what would happen if 161 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: you drove the car on a lift, get the wheels, 162 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: get to get the wheels, you know, get the wheels 163 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: a foot off the ground, secure, safe, but with no 164 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: load on the drive trains, such that the engine isn't straining. 165 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: You know, the engine is gonna be underload and moving 166 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: against the mounts. I wonder if the problem, I wonder 167 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: if the problem goes away, I mean, listen, I still 168 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: think it's important to sit there and and look at 169 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: the data bus and see what modules are there and 170 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: who's awake and who's not. But I would also start 171 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: to say, all right, so you know, if everybody's present, 172 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: and then when you have the problem, if if people 173 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: start dropping out, now we've gotta start to look at 174 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: a wiring harness to look at a potential miscommunication or 175 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: broken or chafed or rubbing or water something along those lines. Okay, 176 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: I'll find out if h if it doesn't happen under 177 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: no pred right, Um? Right? Does that? Does that make 178 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: sense to you? Yeah? It does? You know, I'll give it. 179 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: I'll give it a try, let me see what happens. 180 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: Then I'm starting to, you know, get a little more 181 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: information every time I do something. Did you did you 182 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: buy this from a Chrysler dealer? Now, I bought it 183 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: from a used car used car dealer. Yeah, that's that's 184 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: the other concern I've got. So Um, the one thing 185 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: you may want to do before anymore time goes by 186 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: is I would take that serial number the VIN and 187 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: if you know, if you know anybody your local Chrysler 188 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: dealer asked them to run the vent. And what I'm 189 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: looking at what I'm looking for is I'm looking for 190 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: mileage anomalies or you know, I just listen. I just 191 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: want to I assume everybody's doing the right thing, but 192 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: I just want to keep everybody above board. I'm looking 193 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: for mileage anomalies. I'm looking for you know, the car 194 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: was in the breast get two hund thousand miles and 195 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: here it is in Connecticut at forty three. How that happened? Um, 196 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: that's what I kind of want to know, so you know, 197 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: do a little more research, al right, sir, keep me posted. 198 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: All right, thank you, You're very welcome. Eight five five 199 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: zero nine zero zero in any of the car doctor. 200 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: We're back right after this. Feel my Hi, it's burning 201 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: through to my soul. You're kissing the car doctor. Hey, 202 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: welcome back in any of the car doctor. Five five 203 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: six zero nine nine zero zero. Tom, I got a question, Tom, 204 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: can we get more? You know, we don't have enough 205 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: Elvis bumper music. We should have more. We should find 206 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: some more. We keep find somewhere. Isn't his something? Didn't 207 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: he pass in August? All right? Yes? A matter of fact, 208 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: anniversary I believe is Um. I think it's Monday, Yeah, 209 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: next weekend. Let's do some all this music all Elvis weekends. 210 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: But you better not show up wearing blink. No, not me. 211 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: Why would I do that? So what do you see me? 212 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: It might do. Let's get on over and uh, let's 213 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: go do what we do best. Let's get out over 214 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: and talk to Jason and Walnut Iowa and focus. Jason. 215 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor, sir. How can I help? Yeah, 216 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: I have I'm having an idol problem with it. Just 217 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, whenever you put it in the park, the 218 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: idle jumps from nine hundred. I think it's supposed to 219 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: be around nine hundred, but if it drops down to 220 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 1: like four hundred, and it just it just sits there 221 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: and goes up and down, up and down. So it's 222 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: it's got a surging low idol, is what we're gonna say. Okay, 223 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: any any diagnosis, no check engine light. Everything seems normal, Okay, 224 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: it kind of it kind of seems like it's drop 225 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: a couple of miles per gallon right on the you know, 226 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: it tells you how much how many miles for gallon 227 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: you're getting. Well, it seems like it might be a 228 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: little bit lower on power too. Well, then let's let's 229 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: talk about it like this. I'll tell you what I 230 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: don't think it is. But it's a common complaint with 231 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: that car that I want to make you aware of it. 232 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: There are some known issues with the motor mounts as 233 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: as dumb as this sounds, with rocks in the engine 234 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: mounts creating a rough final or the sensation of a 235 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: rough final. Now you don't have that. You have a 236 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: rough final and low rpm, so you're a little bit different. 237 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: But I just want to make you aware. There's a 238 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: couple of bulletins out there from Ford you may want 239 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: to get your hands on and read. They're well known. 240 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: That just something to be aware of. There's amount change 241 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: if you want to go through that and deal with that. 242 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: But again I don't that doesn't sound like you're particular 243 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: problem where I would go with this, because you've got 244 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: the anomaly right, I'll prove it to you. You've got 245 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: a car that doesn't run right. By your own admission, 246 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: it's lower than normal idle and yet there's no check 247 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: engine light correct correct. So one of the things I 248 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: always like to look at the be All intel all 249 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: the Kid's sister of engine diagnosis is always when you're 250 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: looking at a scan tool is always fuel trimp. It's 251 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: like your kids. Sister will always tell mom when you 252 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: came in late the night before. Fuel trim will always 253 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: tell you where that engine is in terms of richer Lean, 254 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: what it's actual operating condition is at that moment. It is. 255 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: It is the big indicator. So i'd i'd love to 256 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: see what a scan tool tells me as far as 257 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: fuel trim, short term fuel trim, what it's actually doing. 258 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: All right, it would not be unusual on this particular 259 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: car to find a cracked air intake boot after the 260 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: mass airflow before the throttle body. They get they get 261 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: dry and brittle, and if you if you, you know, 262 00:14:58,400 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: if you kind of get down in the folds of 263 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: and look at it, you'll see a small air leak 264 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: or a crack. Wouldn't be the most unusual thing under 265 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: the sun. And one of the ways you'll see that, 266 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: as if you're looking at fuel trim, fuel trim will 267 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: show lean you're starting to look for a vacuum leak, 268 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: look at the air and take duck. All right, If 269 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: we want to argue this case from the point that 270 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: it's low on power and fuel economy is dropped and 271 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: and things like that, then let's start to prove the 272 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: mass airflow sensor good or bad. One of the easiest 273 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: things to do to look at mass air I mean, 274 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: there's a hundred ways to do this. I could give 275 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: you a lapscope test and we could talk about frequency 276 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: and hurts and you know all this stuff that will 277 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: put you over the edge, and I don't want to 278 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: do that. If you've got your scan tool out, look 279 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: at calculated load all right? Are you familiar with the 280 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: term at all? Okay? Calculated load is a basis of 281 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: how hard the engine is working. All right? What do 282 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: you what do you what do you do for a living? Jason? 283 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: I am in heating and cooling. Okay, So you know, 284 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: if you have to carry a heating unit up to 285 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: the top of the flight of stairs to install it, 286 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: that's a pretty good calculated load. Right. Your heart rates 287 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: gonna go up and you know you're you're you're gonna 288 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna feel the strain and the grunt against that. Well, 289 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: an engine does the same thing, and it reports calculated 290 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: load how hard it's working to carry that heating unit 291 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: in a percentage value at wide open throttle from and 292 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: this is a this is an acquired taste or an 293 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: acquired neck. Number one, you've got to be on a 294 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: on a highway or someplace where you're not around that 295 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: you've got issues with other cars. But from a ten 296 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: mile an hour kick, it's foot to the floor. Where 297 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: does calculated load go on a healthy car, a good 298 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: man's airflow sensor, a good engine. You're gonna see between 299 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: nine all right, because it's it's the measurement of intake. 300 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: It's how well volumetric efficiency is the over the is 301 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: the over the top word of how well that engine 302 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: is being filled with air. It's an air pump. It's intake, 303 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: all right. I want to look and see what that 304 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: is on yours if if if foot to the floor, 305 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: the best you can get is I'm gonna tell you 306 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: to clean the mass airflow sensor. Proper cleaning, you know, 307 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,239 Speaker 1: a proper cleaner, something, something you know industry approved. Get 308 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: out to Oreillyoto Parts Oileyoto dot com. You can take 309 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: a look there and see what they've got. I'm sure 310 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: you've got an O'rileyoto Parts in your neighborhood and can't 311 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: can't clean the up, clean the mass flow from when 312 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: the cars when you just started and you take it 313 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: up and you pull out to stop signing to take off. 314 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: It almost sounds like it's hanging a little bit, you know, 315 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: because it's not warmed up right, so like in the 316 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: old a spark knock or I'm sorry, like like poor 317 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: grade gasoline and the timings advanced too far. Yeah, it 318 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: just yeah, kind of it just kind of rattles like 319 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: a like a pin, you know, but it only does 320 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: it when it's cool. That could be something that could 321 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: be something mechanical from startup. But here again, that can 322 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: also be something fuel trim or mass airflow censer related. 323 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: It's improper combustion or in complete combustion, or something that's 324 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: skewing time in causing the computer to do the wrong 325 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: thing at the wrong time. Let's start with the diagnosis 326 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: I gave you. Let's take a look at mass, Sarah. 327 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: Let's take a look at fuel trim, calculated load, and 328 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: then we can talk again next week. We have to 329 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: go farther. Let me know if you get any check 330 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: engine lights to set and that will help in the diagnosis. 331 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate the conversation, Jason. Good luck to you and yours. 332 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: I'm runagating the car doctor I'll be back right after this. 333 00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: Don't go with the car doctor. Welcome back. We're on 334 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: naming the car Doctor here. Yes, this is the death 335 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: Star show where we're going to kill your car or 336 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: fix it one or the other. Let's get on over 337 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: and talk to Let's go talk to Art Tea Neck, 338 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: New Jersey, the Civic Art. Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. 339 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: How can I help you have such an excellent show? 340 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: Thank you great, thank you. I appreciate that. I have 341 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,239 Speaker 1: a Honda Civic four cylinder and it was parked up 342 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: in the top of the driveway near outside garage, and uh, 343 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: all the lights come on, check engine, plus a number 344 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: of others. I had a toad to the dealer, and 345 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: it wound up that two of the four spark plug 346 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: wires were chewed up and about four or five of 347 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: the other electrical wires were chewed or broken. And uh, 348 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: I was wondering, I'm pretty sure it's a groundhog because 349 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: we a couple of big holes near the side of 350 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: the house where it's parked. Have you seen this before 351 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: and is there any idea how to prevent this from happening? Yeah, 352 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, animals, critters and cars as I 353 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: call it is a is a really common experience. And 354 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, I I always think to myself, we're just 355 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: living in their world. We're just bothering them. So we 356 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: have to, you know, take some precautions. And one of 357 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: the things you can try is either mothballs under the 358 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: hood and what I tell people is, you know, mothballs 359 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: in a plastic bag, take an ice pick, punt some 360 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: holes in it and just enough to annoy them. Or 361 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: mothballs in the garage area where you parked the car. 362 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: Now you parked the car outside all the time, usually 363 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: outside the garage the driveway right. You know, either that 364 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: or you're gonna have to look into and now it 365 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: gets expensive. I have a heart trap and trap the 366 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: critter and relocate it and go through all that. But 367 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, to protect the car, it's just a matter 368 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: of mothballs. Um. There are some other things out there 369 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: that people talk about. UM. I think one person told 370 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: me they tried um dryer sheets the sheet from No 371 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that was for the static. What am I saying? Um? Right? 372 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: But there are some other things out there that that 373 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 1: annoy animals. Uh. You know, there are some commercial spray 374 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: products that you can get at your local hardware store 375 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: that will drive nuisance animals away. Unfortunately, you're driving them 376 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: away to your neighbor. Um. But then if you don't 377 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: like your neighbor, who cares. Well, the neighbor's house is 378 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: empty right now, you're perfect, nobody living in it. Yeah, perfect, 379 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: let's let's drive them away. Um. But there there are 380 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: some things that like I've treated my perimeter property, um, 381 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: you know where I live with with it, and it 382 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: will drive some of the critters away. And another quick question, Yeah, 383 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: and has sixty miles on it? Am I due now 384 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: for a new drive belt? Old? Now? Oh? Yeah, you 385 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: were due three times over? Um. Yeah, absolutely, you knew 386 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: that answer. You just wanted me to. You just want 387 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: to say it. Well, I knew it's well it's around 388 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: the mileage time about sixty five, but it's eighteen years, 389 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: so I guess. And it does ride once in a 390 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: while from Jersey up to Rhode Island with with a relative. 391 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: So yeah, and that's and you know the problem is 392 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: that that rubber belts, just like tires, just like hoses, 393 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: everything else were out from the oxygen. Yeah, they wear out, 394 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: you know, they get they get um, they have issues 395 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: and and you know it's it's just as big an issue. 396 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: So uh, you know one of and Honda, I've got 397 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,719 Speaker 1: to give them credit where credit is due. They were 398 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: one of the first and a few of the car 399 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: companies have actually said, hey, you know what the belt 400 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: gets to the point about six or eight years old, 401 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: change it, put a belt in it, and I would 402 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: do a belt of water pump and uh, the whole thing, 403 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: and and driving another driving another eighteen years. Sure, is 404 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: there a reason why the Japanese cause tend to have 405 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: the rubber belts and then Americans have a chain belt 406 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: to chain no, And you know, there's a couple of 407 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: stories as to why, you know, why one has this 408 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 1: and one has that. I know the answer, the answer 409 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: for why one car is designed the way it is 410 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: and the others that way is basically because there's an 411 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: accountant involved and he's counting pennies and they figured out 412 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: that they can put this component in the car and 413 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: and you know, make more. You know, you might have 414 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: to change it too or three times over a long lifetime. 415 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: Now you know it's funny. But since two thousand and 416 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: eight two thousand nine, timing belts have started to go 417 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: away and less cars have timing belts now more than 418 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: ever before. Do I think it's going to stay that way? Maybe? 419 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: I think what they're eventually going to go to is 420 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, and they're working on it, and I'm sure 421 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: it's it'll be there somewhere in my career, in my lifetime. 422 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: But solenoid activation of valves, So no more cam shaft, 423 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: no more moving parts, no more camp sprocket timing belt, 424 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: timing chain, anything, It'll be it'll be a solenoid that 425 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: the computer can activate and go peep, um you know 426 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: such technology. Yeah, I'm sure that won't break. Uh you know, 427 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: when it does, I'm sure it won't be three million 428 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: dollars to fix. But um, you know, I know a 429 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: friend of mine that it's done with a Toyota. I 430 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: think it was with the water. Yeah, everything, and it 431 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: gets pricey, but you know the other side of it 432 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: is price a new car, stop and think about how 433 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: many miles it's gone or how long you've had the car. Uh. 434 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: You know, it's still true today. Some things have changed 435 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: since I started fixing cars on radio and so forth, 436 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: but it's still true today in that Um, you know, 437 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: it's still a hundred and twenty five to forty dollars 438 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: a month on average to maintain a car, and after 439 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: that it's still cheap enough to keep the car rather 440 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: than rather than you know, throw it away. So people 441 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: don't realize that. It always amazes me are people will 442 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: stand at the counter and talk about how expensive that 443 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: repair was with that seven dollar cup of Starbucks in 444 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: their hand, and I just go, yeah, but the coffee, 445 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: and you know, the car drove you to get the 446 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: cup of coffee, Like, what are you thinking? So I 447 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: paid four or six four seventy to have all the 448 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: wiring done and everything, and it's well worth it because 449 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: if it gets this thing another year or two on 450 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: the road, it's and I think hanging onto an older 451 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: car now makes a little more sense. And here's why 452 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about this the other day. Cars really got 453 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: hard to fix around two thousand eleven, two thousand twelve. 454 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: They got very difficult in terms of electronics, in terms 455 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: of the way the manufacturers are setting things up. Um, 456 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, just lead two weeks ago, three weeks ago, 457 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: I was talking, we had a Ford in their air 458 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: bag systems. If the average Ford air bag has twenty 459 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: eight possible trouble codes. That was bad enough. Now they've 460 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: got sub indexes on the trouble codes. So twenty eight 461 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: trouble codes each one can have thirty sub indexes. Start 462 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: doing the math. There's hundreds and hundreds of possibilities. Yeah, 463 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: it's crazy. So you know who's gonna fix it? Where 464 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: are we going to get the parts? And the more 465 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: electronic based that vehicle is, the more difficult it's going 466 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: to be for the manufacture to maintain those modules. You know, 467 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: stop today, go out and try and buy a Windows 468 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: XP laptop, forget Windows three point one, forget you know, 469 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: forget you know what. Go try and buy a box 470 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: of floppy disks or or you know some such but well, 471 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: you know what, we're all coming to your house. But 472 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,959 Speaker 1: my point is, my point is as technology marches forward, 473 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: the upkeep cost and the legacy cost to maintain this 474 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: goes away. So those two thousand eleven two thousand twelve 475 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: cars are tougher and tougher to deal with. In two 476 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: more years, a two thousand twelve is gonna be six 477 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: going on seven years old. That's what I also have 478 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: a two thousand and two thousand and eleven Mercury Grand 479 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 1: Markes and I love them. I got the last one 480 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: off the line for the two thousand and eleven. Yeah, 481 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: and you know what, And and there was a car. Uh, 482 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: we just had someone bring us a ninety eight Crown 483 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: VIC and we put a bunch of front end in 484 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: it and some breaks and yeah, it was two grand. 485 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: And he looked at me and he said, it's worth 486 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: every penny. He says, because I can sell it tomorrow 487 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: and some guy will turn into a New York's any 488 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: taxi cab and I can get four grand four it 489 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: without even blinking a line. And he's not wrong. He's 490 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: not wrong because those cars ran forever too. You know. 491 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: You gotta remember the manufacturers don't want us to keep 492 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: cars going. They want us to get rid of cars 493 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: because they make money when they sell cars, not when 494 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: they fix them. And that's the bottom line, all right. 495 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: I enjoyed the conversation, sir. I gotta thanks very much. 496 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: You're very welcome. You take good care and have a 497 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: good rest of the day. Eight five five zero nine 498 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: nine zero zero. I'm ronning any of the car doctor. 499 00:27:29,280 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm back right after this, running amiens Hey, running inny 500 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: of the car Doctor. We are back at zero nine 501 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: zero zero. Let's roll over and see Roger Stanton, Iowa, 502 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven F three fifty Roger, Welcome to the 503 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: car doctor, sir, How can I help Hi? Ron? Happy birthday? 504 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: Thank you sir. Yes, sir, another six decades on the planet. 505 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: I'll be ready to figure out what I want to 506 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: do with my life. So, um, what's going on? Hey 507 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: f three fifty at the six seven? Uh? Use it 508 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: towing a trailer? Had probably five tons with the trailer 509 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: and and the load were you just pick up quite 510 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: a bit and miles it made noise and uh a 511 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: mile later it was making a lot more noise. I 512 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: don't think where this is going. Yeah, the bearings went out, 513 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: number two and number six cylinders down on the crankshaft. Right, 514 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: is this something that you know? What? What can I 515 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: draw from? Why this failed? Did you do you on 516 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,479 Speaker 1: the vehicle from new Roger? Yes? So I can already 517 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: tell you're a smart diesel owner. Um, you know the 518 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: value of diesel maintenance. It sounds like, um, you're you're 519 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: towing with it. I think I tend to classify diesel 520 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: people and and you sound like a guy that understands 521 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: why you have to take care of a diesel and 522 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: maintain it, am I right? Uh yeah, this is my one. 523 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: Yeah right, somehow I knew that, and you know it's 524 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: it's this isn't a case of this is not a 525 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: case of lack of maintenance. I would be concerned. You 526 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: know what wiped out number two and number six, and 527 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: I would have been curious, do we have an injector issue? 528 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: You know, diesel is still a very mechanical animal. And 529 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: when we look at failures like that, you know, how 530 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: did it wipe out the bearing? Was it lack of 531 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: lubrication or was it too much fuel in the cylinder? 532 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: Too much squirt and it hydrostatically locked and hammered the bearing. 533 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: And and that's what I would have liked to have seen. 534 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: What's what's common with these is they do suffer from 535 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: mechanical injector failure. Dejectors fail mechanically and they'll start to 536 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: dribble and and over fuel and put too much fuel 537 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: into the cylinder and then in time, they'll, for lack 538 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: of a better way to say it, Tom may bleep 539 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: this word, but they just pay um. They just pe 540 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: fuel and it'll take out the cylinder and no time 541 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: at all. So so when when you had the engine done, 542 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: you know, you said you had another engine put in it. Yeah, 543 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: it's the short block and took a new turbo, right, 544 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: and I'm sure that was cheap seven eight thousand dollars later. 545 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: Um B, yeah, it's I'm just thinking in terms of parts. 546 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, um, you know, did anybody go through 547 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: the fuel system? Did you happen to go through the 548 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,719 Speaker 1: injectors and and at least test them, flow them and 549 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: so forth? They tested, They tested all those and tested 550 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: the heads and they found nothing wrong. Correct. They asked me, 551 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, they were really wanting to see that the 552 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: goal plugs I know, caused a problem, and they were 553 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: all okay. They replaced them all when they were there, 554 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: but um, they thought that could have been a problem. 555 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: So I guess I just one of my questions I 556 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: guess for you is if these are it's a beast 557 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: for a motor. Oh yeah, the sixth this is the 558 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: six seven correct? Correct? And I guess my question is 559 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: is if there's been any fleet vehicles util the guys 560 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: to use them maybe for long periods of vitaline or 561 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: or what what? Could you know? The issues they are 562 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: well Yeah, the issues we see with some of these. 563 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: They do have e g R issues on certain models, 564 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: and they did some changes to the e g R 565 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: two assemblies and carbon and coking and things like that, 566 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: but that's not gonna necessarily cause your issue. Uh quite honestly, 567 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: this this truck is the favorite of There's a fleet 568 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: we work on and they're they're like, UM, I don't 569 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: know exactly what they do. They're one of those companies 570 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: that's very industrial. The trucks have the railroad trolleys on them, 571 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: you know, so they're they're on the road and their 572 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: railroad cars. I call them, and you know, we see them. 573 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: We're doing e g R service and you know, oil 574 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: changes and filters and things like that. But engines to 575 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: fifty three thousand miles still going. So it's it's not 576 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: a common it's not a common conversation to have. Uh. 577 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: You know, I would have loved to have seen and 578 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: maybe done an oil analysis and maybe a fuel analysis, 579 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: just to see see here's the case where an oil 580 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: analysis might have paid off. You might have gained some 581 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: knowledge for you know, overall condition as to what was 582 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: going on prior to the failure. So one quick word 583 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: of advice. One quick tip before I go, because I'm 584 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: up against the clock is maybe you want to purchase 585 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: a scan tool and learn how to read it and 586 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: start to look at things. Diesels do have their own 587 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: version of fuel trim and in terms of calculated load, 588 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: and just start to understand the data stream a little 589 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: bit and perhaps you'll catch that mechanical glitch before it 590 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: happens by looking at the electronic sensor that way, before 591 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: it sets a fault code, before it cost you another 592 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: fifteen grand. Yeah, there are no and I don't think 593 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: there will be. But just to get in the habit 594 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: of looking at a scan tool and understanding what's there, 595 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: I think would be a uh I think would be 596 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: a big benefit to you. Roger. I appreciate the call, 597 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: and if you want to talk scan tools, drop me 598 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: an email Ron at card Doctor show dot com and 599 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: that we can have that conversation as well. Zero nine 600 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,719 Speaker 1: zero Are the car doctors coming back right after this? 601 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back? Aren't and card Doctor kind of winding them up? 602 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: Let's get over and talk to Rich and see what's 603 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: going on with this. So five Caddy Rich, Welcome to 604 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: the Car Doctors, sir. How can I help thanks Ropy 605 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: birthday team, Thank you, sir. What's going on? Hey, you 606 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: got a two five x X Cadillac with two codes 607 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: oh thirty seven oh fifty seven with your heat sensors. 608 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: I believe I took it to my mechanic and you know, 609 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: he put his code reader on it, and he changed 610 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: out the boat's censors, and he said he took it 611 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: for like a twenty minute pride, and he said everything 612 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: is fine. And I live about two miles from his garage. 613 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: I get home and lights back on again. That's what 614 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,919 Speaker 1: my cod reer on and I got the exact same 615 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: codes again. Okay. So I brought it back to him. 616 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: I says, you know, I'd listen to you a lot, 617 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: and uh, the definition of news never ever works, so 618 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: maybe we've got to get new ones or whatever. So 619 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: he said he's gonna get he got the villains, We 620 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: replace them, the coaches come back again. So stuck, all right? 621 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: So you know, well thirty seven and fifty seven or 622 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: heater sensor circuit faults. It's the piece the PCM isn't 623 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: detecting a a large enough voltage drop against the heater 624 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: circuit activity. It turns the it turns the heater on 625 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: in the sensor, and it's it's expecting a certain voltage 626 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: drop to occur, showing that the sensor is actually being 627 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: heated up, that it's going to start working at the 628 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,720 Speaker 1: proper time. It doesn't see that, it starts to okay, 629 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: flag the sensor. So you know why would something electrical 630 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: not work? Let me ask you the question and then 631 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,399 Speaker 1: I'll give you the answer. Um, if you walked into 632 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: your front door of your house and turn on the 633 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: light switch and the light didn't light up, what could 634 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: be wrong with it? Bulb fuse switch wiring component? So 635 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: just because it has the fault doesn't make it the 636 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: component that failed. He's really got to start to do 637 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: things like an ome test, the resistance test of the 638 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: wires leading back to the PCM. He's got to verify completion. 639 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 1: He's got to start doing things like a current draw 640 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: test to see what's the sensor actually pulling in terms 641 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: of an amverage. And he's got to verify that the 642 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: PCM is capable of operating it as it's supposed to. 643 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm running any in the car. Doctor. Mechanics aren't expensive, 644 00:36:50,120 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: they're priceless. See it