1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: I wanted eco pay like I wanted I wanted equal pay, 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: and I never backed down from it. Because here I am, 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm writing letters. I'm reading letters to say to speak 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: on all the inequities that happened at in San Antonio 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: at the NC Double A Tournament. 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: Like you know, I got it out. 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: I had to get it off my chest and then 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: I had to, you know, just move on and focus 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: on our team. 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: And then it's stayed with. 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: Me when we got back and I'm not going to 12 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: be out here politicking and fighting for equality nationally. 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:43,319 Speaker 2: And then we don't. 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: I don't even have it here and it's not been 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: you know, discussion about it. So then I'm like, hell, 16 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm going for it. Like I'm like, I'm going for it, 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: like this is. 18 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: What I want. 19 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: I want cashing in. Y'all were talking about don Staley 20 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: and her historic deal making her the highest paid coach 21 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: and women's college basketball. I'm happy for it. She's joining 22 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: us next on Naked. 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 4: Every Champion and Kerry Champions to be a Champion, out 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 4: a Champion and Kerry Champion and Kerry CHAMPI outa Champion 25 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 4: and Kerry Champion and Kerry Champion. Greatest the sports and 26 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 4: entertainment king naked, weird in the world. 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: Withere vulnerable considered. 28 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 4: We come and remove the veil from entertainment's elite. It's 29 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 4: the difference between what it's reeling with the public seeds. 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 4: So here's your favorite celebrities behind the scenes. Just refresh 31 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 4: you up there in the whole story with specific life 32 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 4: alter renovents to shake the person that you hear. We 33 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 4: gotta champion and carry champion the girl you did it. 34 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 4: It's the greatest and sports and entertainment conneaked with every 35 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: champion and Kerry Champions to be a champion, a champion 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 4: and carry champion. 37 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: The girl who didn't he got a champion. 38 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 4: And Kerry Champion and Kerry Champion. 39 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: Great is the sportson entertainment getting. Hey ya, I'm so 40 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 3: excited to have Don Staley on. I told you she 41 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: was cashing in well deserved. By way of background, don 42 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: Staley from Philly, and she was very clear. Some people 43 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: try to say they from Philly and name from Philly. 44 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 3: You got to check the area, coach. You'll get into 45 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 3: that because she's from Philly and she is unapologetic about 46 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 3: whom she is or how she moves and I love 47 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 3: that about her. Just recently, you may have read that 48 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 3: she signed a huge deal with the University of South 49 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: Carolina as the head women's basketball coach. She is now 50 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 3: looking at a historic contract seven years twenty two point 51 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 3: four million dollars, making about a little under three million 52 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: a year. That's two point nine. It was a huge 53 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 3: payday for her, putting her up there with the big boys, 54 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: and it's well deserved. She's already won a chip there. 55 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: But she's a four time Olympian. She's a hard worker 56 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: and she really does defind to me what it means 57 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: to be a coach. Don Staley says, I meet my 58 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 3: players where they are, and from that moment on, I 59 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 3: take them to where they want to go. She said 60 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 3: she was taught that way when she was playing college 61 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: basketball at the University of Virginia, and she wanted to 62 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: be similar to who raised her. If you will, and 63 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 3: I respect that because you see, there are people in 64 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 3: your life oftentimes who really make a huge impact, and 65 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: for her it was her basketball coach and all Don 66 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: ever wanted to do. And she'll tell you this on 67 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 3: the podcast is just play Ball. At the time in 68 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: which she graduated from college there was no WNBA, so 69 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: Don went to go work at a retail store. Can 70 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: you imagine loving something so much, but there is no 71 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: way you can do what you love because there's no 72 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: professional league. And I think we take the WNBA for 73 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 3: granted now because you didn't realize that it's only been 74 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: around for twenty five years, Like there was a life 75 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: in which there was no women's basketball. If you love this, 76 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: good for you? How do you stay in a game? 77 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: You be a coach, You may be able to play overseas, 78 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: you work hard to be an olympian, but that is it. Well, 79 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: she's done all of the above. She played overseas, she's 80 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 3: a four time Olympian, and she is now arguably the 81 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: highest paid coach in women's college basketball. And I am impressed. 82 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: Her story is impressive. I am impressed and her story 83 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 3: is impressive. Sit back, relax and enjoy this edition y'all 84 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 3: of Naked with South Carolina's Don. 85 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: Stanley, Champion and Care with Chapion and car. 86 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 3: I have so many, so much to congratulate you on 87 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 3: and just I'm personally just happy that you're here from Afar. 88 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: I you know, while working at ESPN and covering sports, 89 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: I just always admired everything about who you are. So 90 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: I've always had a hardcore crush, Like she's yes, but 91 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: you seem like, you know nonsense. So I was like, back, 92 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: goofy ass. If I met her, she'd be like, all right, 93 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 3: calm down, you know what I mean. So welcome to Naked, 94 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 3: where we talk about any and everything. And the goal 95 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 3: is is just to find out how these extraordinary people 96 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: become so extraordinary. But usually they don't know that they're extraordinary. 97 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: They're just real humble. So I'm reading about you and 98 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: how you grew up Philly. Take me there. Tell me 99 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: about a young Don Staley before she ran the world. 100 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: Philly, specifically North Philly. Like, when you're from Philly, be clear. 101 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: You got to be clear where you're from because everyone 102 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: that says they're from Philly don't have a two one 103 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 1: five or two six seven in front of their phone number. 104 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: So if you got something other than that, then you're 105 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: from outside of Philly. But I'm from North Philly. I 106 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: grew up in the housing projects called the Raymond Rosen 107 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: Housing Projects. 108 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: And if I can give you a visual, it is 109 00:05:53,000 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 2: row homes that are in this circular form within within 110 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: the row homes is a big field. I mean it's 111 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: a huge field that. 112 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: Had a basketball court, a baseball court, a baseball field, 113 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: a softball field, and then we made we made a 114 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: track just with like sometimes it was chalk, sometimes it was. 115 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: You know, borrow paint. But if you can imagine, we just. 116 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: Had a a project Olympics because we had all this 117 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: this space. 118 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: We didn't always have all. 119 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: The equipment to to actually play all the sports, but 120 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: we made it work. 121 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: I grew up in the household of it was seven 122 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: of us. 123 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: You know, I had had a mom and dad and 124 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: for my older siblings, I'm the youngest. And if you've 125 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: grown up in the projects, there's this thing called hand 126 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: me downs. You know, everything, the clothes, it's hand me down, 127 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: and very very often you you don't get your own clothes, 128 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: you don't get your something that you call your own. 129 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: You're sharing a room with I shared the room with 130 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: my sister, My. 131 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: Three brothers shared a room. My parents had a room, 132 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: and that was it. 133 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: And then we fought to get to the bathroom. You 134 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: got brothers who and we didn't have a shower back then. 135 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: We had to take a bath like it wasn't like 136 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: it was a bath. You got to run the water, 137 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, in the projects, you run out of hot water, 138 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: so you try to. 139 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: Fight to get the first be the first one to 140 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: take a bath. 141 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: So it was very very remember the water sometimes. 142 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: Right right, So it was it was super competitive. All 143 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: of my siblings except my sister could play a sport, 144 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: so it was it was a knockout, drag out. But 145 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: all the sports for us started inside our house. Like 146 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: we had this in the projects. You had a you 147 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: know the vent, you know, the the growing up of 148 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: the projects. You had good heat though you had Reyki. 149 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: Like Reyki you had to turn the heat off in 150 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: the winter. 151 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: Because it was that hot. 152 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: Well, we used to ball up aluminufoil and we would 153 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: shoot jumpers on it was a little lip. It was 154 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: probably i would say, no more than three inches from 155 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: wide and probably three inches from the ceiling, and we 156 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: would shoot jumpers on it. We would dunk on each other, 157 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, you would you would cut your you know, 158 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: your fingers trying to dunk on your your sibling. But 159 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: I would say it was just an incredible, super competitive 160 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: household that once you went outside of our household, it 161 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: was easy for you to just compete with anybody that 162 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: was within the confines of our neighborhood. 163 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: So you grow up being a competitor. Everyone knows you 164 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 3: are a diehard competitor. It starts in the household. That 165 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: is the essence of who you are. And everyone, I 166 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 3: think not everyone, but they mentioned height. They always talk 167 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 3: about height, and despite being this tall, she was able 168 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 3: to do that. When people say that, or when they 169 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: said that when you were younger, how did that make 170 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: you feel? 171 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I wasn't always short like I mean, 172 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: I figure I was average height when I was growing up, 173 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: and then everybody else sprung up, you know, as they 174 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: got older. I was the only one that pretty much 175 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: stayed the same height. So, you know, as I'm growing 176 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: up and as I'm staying at the same height, they 177 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: did say that. They did say, you know, you can't 178 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: play for us. It was the big boycourt, like, it 179 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: was the big guys playing, the top neighborhood guys playing 180 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: on the court. So they they guy, the big guys 181 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: thought of me as just a little girl, like this 182 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: is too rough for you. You know, you you won't 183 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: be able to play with us. Maybe you could play 184 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: stick around and play after So the height thing that 185 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,359 Speaker 1: didn't bother me. It was the fact that they said 186 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't play on the big boy court. 187 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: Because they looked at me like the little girl. But 188 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: if you looked inside, I was super competitive. I was 189 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: you know, I was tough. Like. 190 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: There wasn't anything that you couldn't do to me on 191 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: a basketball court that would shake my equilibrium. 192 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 2: Nothing like you could. 193 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: Set a hard pick, I'll set a hard pick on you. 194 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: You can trip me, you can, as long as it 195 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: was in a com finds of the court. I didn't 196 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: really feel any pain. It was just it was just 197 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: what we do in the projects. It was just how 198 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: we played in the projects. So the height wasn't I 199 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: didn't look at my height as a disadvantage. I looked 200 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: at the fact that maybe my skill set didn't didn't stack. 201 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: Up to plan on the big court, big boy court. 202 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: It was It was never It was never like I 203 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: was too short. 204 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: It was more of, you know, I took it as 205 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: and maybe I just blocked it out because I didn't 206 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: want it to be because of my height, because I 207 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: couldn't do anything about my height, but I surely could 208 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: hold my skills to pass, be a better passer, to 209 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: be a better shooter, to be a better decision maker. 210 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: And that's what I concentrated on until you know that 211 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: that blessed up day to where I'm wanted the first 212 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: people that they picked to play on the Big Boycourt. 213 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, I love it. So I was gonna 214 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: ask had so many questions from that. What are the 215 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 3: ingredients to be so fearless that you have? Is that 216 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 3: a mixture of growing up? Is that is what your 217 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: parents taught you, what you saw your neighborhood. What makes 218 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 3: you so fearless? Also where you have no awareness of pain, 219 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 3: nothing bothered you. 220 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm the youngest of five, so I used 221 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: to fight my older brothers. My oldest brother, who we 222 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: share birthday, I can't have anything to myself. 223 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: He's eight years older than me. 224 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: My recently deceased brother was seven years older than me, 225 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: my sister six years older than me. And then I 226 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: got another brother that's two years older than me. So 227 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: I had the most difficult time with my oldest brother, 228 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: who we all considered a bully. 229 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: He was a bully before bullying was popular. He was 230 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: a bully like forty five years ago, right right, So there. 231 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: Wasn't even a name for that back then, besides being 232 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: an older sibling that tried that tried to. I mean, 233 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: he just tried to dish out chores. I mean things 234 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: that my mom told him to do. 235 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: He tried to I assure you, I know that, Yeah. 236 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: No I'm not doing this. So he would try to 237 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: make me do it, and I'm just like, no, I'm 238 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:32,599 Speaker 1: not doing it. 239 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: I don't you candy. We called it muggy like. 240 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: He would take my take his hand and kind of 241 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: push my face back and mug me. He would do 242 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: all these things to me, But I still I wasn't 243 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: going to clean the bathroom because that's your job. So 244 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: I think I got my toughness from being in a 245 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: house hold full of testosterone and and a and a 246 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: bully mentality in my and my older brother. And I 247 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: just think that that's helped me be fearless. It helped 248 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: me when I got outside of my home that I've 249 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: already seen the worst of the worst in my household. 250 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: So you know, anybody else is not going to do 251 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: anything that's gonna hurt me. You hurt my feelings, You're 252 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: not gonna physically hurt me, because I can I can 253 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: take you know, I can take paying you, you know, 254 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: one thing, and grown up in in Philly, we we 255 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: see crying, complaining as a weakness and people will take 256 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: advantage of that very thing if they feel like they 257 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: can get under your skin and they can one up 258 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: you in some type of way. And I just felt like, 259 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: you know, it prepared me for whatever life threw at me. 260 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: And I think it helped me just mentally be stronger 261 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: because physically you can't hurt. But if if your mind 262 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: is stronger than that pain, then it's just pain and 263 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: nothing else besides pain, then pain is temporary. 264 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 3: Every every athlete, every every coach, every person I talk to, 265 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: it's always the same thing. You got to have amnesia, 266 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: You got to be mentally tough. That that that that 267 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: accounts for so much of whatever sport you're in the game. 268 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 3: Will you take this mentality to college? You go in 269 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 3: and you have this reputation of being who you are 270 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: and and and good at what you do. What adjustments 271 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 3: do you think you have to make? And I'm not 272 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: even talking about on the court, I'm just talking about 273 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: it in life. Dealing with other people, more attention than 274 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 3: you've ever had, perhaps a different environment in terms of 275 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: interacting with folks because they know you special. 276 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: I would say that mentality doesn't always work in every 277 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, in every arena, so to speak. You know, 278 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: I went, I went to probably one of the you know, 279 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: the whitest, most privileged universe. 280 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 3: Yes, so that's something like, so, how you going there? 281 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: You a uvau up. 282 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: I'm from North Phillyn. 283 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: Yes, so so. And I didn't know. I didn't know 284 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: I was. I was me. 285 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: Like you know, if you're from Philly, you're gonna be 286 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: you more times than not. People are gonna have to 287 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: pivot and adjust to you versus you to them, and 288 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: especially when you know, for me, when it came to sports, 289 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: I was known for that. But I didn't know there 290 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: was a world outside of sports. 291 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: Really. I didn't like. 292 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: I didn't know, like I don't want back then, I 293 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: didn't even like talking to people like. I didn't I 294 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: was shy. I expressed myself through playing sports. But I'm 295 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna be honest with you. I found myself 296 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: an academic trouble my first year at Virginia. And when 297 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 1: you aren't good at something, you invite other people into 298 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: your life that you don't necessarily want in your life. 299 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: It's extra conversations. For me, it's extra and I'm gonna 300 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: just say it's you know, this is what the dean 301 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: told me. Because I had to sit down and talk 302 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: to the dean, I had to you know, I didn't 303 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: know anything. I didn't give her eye contact, I didn't 304 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't you know, pronounce my words. I 305 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: was very, very uncomfortable. You're having a conversation with the 306 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: dean of a school that's going to determine whether or 307 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: not I get to stay or leave. So I wasn't 308 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: savvy enough and I wasn't sophisticated enough to know. So 309 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: I did what I would normally do, is I shut down, 310 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: and you know, and I'm like, dude, you gotta do 311 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: what you gotta do. And I look back on that 312 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, that was the wrong thing to do. 313 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: But she's said she said, you know, she said, sometimes 314 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to conform to your environment. And maybe, 315 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know what that word meant at 316 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: the time because I was just like, you. 317 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: Know, I'm not I'm not. 318 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: Kissing anybody's ass. You know, this this is who I am. 319 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just dumb. I mean, really just ain't 320 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: aware of nothing. But I'm Philly. I'm North Philly. What 321 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: you mean I gotta conform. I'm not gonna bow down 322 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: to anybody. I'm gonna be me. I'm gonna be This 323 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: was in my bubble because I really wasn't saying this. 324 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: It was you could tell by the look of my 325 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: face that I'm just like But when when you're talking 326 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: about separating like me from the very thing that I love, 327 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: which is basketball, you learn, you learn to grow up 328 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: a little bit quicker. I was grateful to have a 329 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: coach to explain that part to me and help me 330 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: understand how to deal in those type of situations. 331 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: So Wie Ryan had to go back to the dean and. 332 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: Just basically give some background on who I am as 333 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: a person and how I operate, because if if you 334 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: don't have that person, it's a you know, it's a 335 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: Debbie was like a sponsor to me. She was a 336 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: sponsor one that is was well respected on camp on 337 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: grounds we call them grounds. 338 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 2: We don't stay a campus on grounds. 339 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: She's well respected, and if she wasn't, then. 340 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 2: I would have been, you know, one of those. 341 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: Statistics that had to leave UVA and go on somewhere 342 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: else and start over. And who knows if that would 343 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: have been the thing that derailed me from being successful 344 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: in my life. But you do have to conform, you 345 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: do have to learn, you have to learn how to 346 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: p of it. You have to you know, you got 347 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: to do things for your own good. You got to 348 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: get out of your way so you can so you 349 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: can be successful and thoth. Interactions at UVA really helped me, 350 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: probably more so in my This is my twenty second 351 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: year coaching, but those first twenty eight those are the 352 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: kinds of pivoting that I've had to do with my 353 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: players to have a really good understanding of what their 354 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: needs are. And I have to be a good resource 355 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: for them because somebody was just that for me. 356 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: Did you realize, see there's a difference between and there's 357 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 3: so many buzzwords now everyone uses awareness and self care 358 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 3: and all the other words that you hear. Did you 359 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 3: realize while you were at UVA that coach was doing 360 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 3: that for you, that she was helping you learn to 361 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: conform and pivot? Did you did you understand that that 362 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 3: was going to be necessary for you to succeed? Then? 363 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 3: Not now? 364 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: Then no, no, let me because a lot of that 365 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: happened out of earshot. But but for me, I'm smart 366 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: enough to just know that my performance in front of 367 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: that dean was not what did not put me in 368 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: a position of giving me a second chance. So something 369 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: had to happen in order for me to be where 370 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: I am, and all of my communications were were with 371 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: my coach. So I just put two and two together 372 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: that Hey, this is this is DeBie working. This isn't 373 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: this isn't me, This isn't you know, being a star 374 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: basketball player. This is an adult who really understands the 375 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: big picture and and someone that knows that if you 376 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: take basketball away from this this young lady, she's going 377 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: back to the projects and we we really don't want her. 378 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: We don't want that outcome. 379 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 3: That's beautiful. I'm writing it down. That's beautiful. How do 380 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 3: you feel about coach? Now? 381 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: I love? I love Debbie Ryan. I love like Debbie 382 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: Ryan was a coach. 383 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: Who I mean, I I was pretty special coming out 384 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: of high school. Like I was, I was a good player. 385 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: But when you when you coach a good player, you 386 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: can you can coach that player with handcuffs on. 387 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 2: You can? You know you can? 388 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: You can give a short leash and just let in 389 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: my case, just let her go just a little bit 390 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: and pull her back, or you take all of her. 391 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: You let her be creative, and then you teach her 392 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: as she's making mistakes along the way, and then you 393 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: allow her to figure it out. And I call that 394 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: meeting me where I was, to take me where I 395 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: need to go. And that's who I am as a coach. 396 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: That's that's if I had to put that in a nutshell, 397 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: is I'm really good at meeting people where they are. 398 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 2: I don't try to change them. I don't try to No, 399 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 2: I meet you where you are and I help you 400 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: with where. 401 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: You're trying to go. And that that takes communication. I 402 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: got to know where you want to go your words, 403 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: not my words. Your words. So if you want to 404 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: go to the league, if you want to if you 405 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: want to be a doctor, if you want to be 406 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: a coach, I'm gonna meet you where you are. 407 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: And I'm going to guide you through. 408 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: What the pitfalls of life and I'm gonna embrace you 409 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: through the you know, the good times. I mean it 410 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: is you know, pushing and pulling. It is getting young 411 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: people to realize the big picture. Because sometimes they lose 412 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: sight of that, and then sometimes they're only focused on 413 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: the big picture that they lose sight of the details 414 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: that's needed in front of them. 415 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 3: The way you describe that visually, for me, meeting people 416 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,479 Speaker 3: where they are, pitfalls, ups and downs, but meeting them 417 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 3: where they are and taking them where they want to 418 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 3: be very much illustrates what I think your career was, 419 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 3: right because there was no w NBA when you when 420 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 3: you graduated and you played overseas and then you joined 421 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 3: the league. The w NBA was year one, right, Am 422 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: I wrong? Do I have the DOCU three? Your three? 423 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 3: How would you describe that time? Because basketball was all 424 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 3: you knew? You said you loved it so much, so 425 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: you were playing any any and everywhere. How would you 426 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 3: describe that time for you when there wasn't quote unquote 427 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: a professional no option here in the States? 428 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 4: Right? 429 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: Hard? That was? 430 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: That was probably the hardest. And you have to you 431 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: have to think in nineteen ninety two when I graduated 432 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: from Virginia, I was college play of the Year. When 433 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: during that same year Larry Johnson Grandma mind was was 434 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: the college play of the year. He signed an eighty 435 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: million dollar contract. I signed and it wasn't right. It 436 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: wasn't right after college, Like basketball season has started, probably 437 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: in September, so I'm home. I'm home with a with 438 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: a retail job, and I wasn't very good at it, 439 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: Like I wasn't like some. 440 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 2: Things are meant for people and some things aren't. Me. 441 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: Working in retail was not for me because I didn't 442 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: like to interact with people. 443 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 2: I didn't like to talk to people. 444 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: So when we had customers, I would go, I would 445 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: go far away from them, and I love folding clothes. 446 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 2: I would I would fold cloth. I would just make 447 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 2: myself busy. 448 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: And then probably six weeks after that season started, I 449 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: had to replace a guard in Sogovia, Spain. So I 450 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: signed a thirty five thousand dollars contract to go play 451 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: in Sogovia, Spain. And when I got there, I mean, 452 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: I was happy obviously to do the thing that I love. 453 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: But when I got there, it was a lot different 454 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: than college. Because college, you know, your day is pretty much, 455 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: you know, scheduled for you, but overseas you practiced maybe 456 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: once or twice a day, and then you know you're 457 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: on your own. And I've never been like on my 458 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: own like that, having a fit for myself, having to 459 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: go to the grocery store and buy food to cook. 460 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: And then the basketball wasn't what I was anticipating. I 461 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: was thought I was going to the pros. So there 462 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: were certain things that will already be in place, and 463 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: I was going to be in a place. 464 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 2: Of continuing to learn. 465 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: But it was a lot different back then because if 466 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: you were the American or the foreigner, you were expected 467 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,479 Speaker 1: to score, you know, forty to fifty points. 468 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 2: And if you didn't win and you didn't score those points, 469 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 2: they really put the blame on you. They don't mind 470 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: saying this is your fault. This is what we're paying 471 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,719 Speaker 2: you to come here to help us win. So it 472 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 2: was and it was like imitating. It was like imitating 473 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 2: the NBA. 474 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,479 Speaker 1: And I was just used to playing basketball as like 475 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: you know, in college, you play as a team moving 476 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: the ball. You you know, everybody gets to touch the 477 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: ball when it was direct opposite like you put the 478 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: ball into the Superstars hands and you gotta you gotta 479 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: perform magic. But I was super happy that I had 480 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: an outlet to continue to play. So, I mean, I 481 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: lived out of a suitcase, but I surely just enjoyed playing. 482 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: I didn't enjoy because back then you didn't have you know, 483 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: you didn't have Wi Fi, you had a landline. So yeah, 484 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: so my telephone bills were like two thousand two grand 485 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: a month. 486 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 3: Crack your check, your check, Yeah, yes, all my money 487 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 3: goes to my phone bill. Yeah, I get it. 488 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 2: Yep yep. 489 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 3: On the other side of the break, we hear more 490 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 3: from Don Staley and how she was able to do 491 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 3: all these wonderful things that she just says so dismissively, 492 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: like it's not a big deal, but she's a superstar. 493 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 3: But more importantly, back in. 494 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 4: The month, every champion and carry champion is to be 495 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 4: a champion, out a champion and carry champion and carry champ. 496 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 4: Be out a champion and carry champion and carry champion 497 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 4: entertainment getting naked, weird. Every champion and carry champion is 498 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 4: to be a champion, out a champion and carry champion 499 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 4: nigger shout a champion and carry champion and carried champion 500 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 4: entertainment getting naked word. 501 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: All right, you guys, we talked about it, Don Staley 502 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 3: giving us that truth with an f on naked. Here's more. 503 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 3: But first of all, you go from because I think 504 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 3: people who are listening can't understand. You go from being 505 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 3: the number one college player and that same you or 506 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 3: your male counterpart Towns signs an eighty million dollars deal 507 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 3: and you vote and close, and then you go overseas 508 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 3: because that's the only way where you can at least 509 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 3: do what you love and you're homesick and they're all 510 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 3: these other options. It's to love hate relationship to do 511 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: what you have to do. Imagine if I had to 512 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: pick up and leave and move to another country so 513 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: I could just do what I gotta do, which to 514 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 3: me is mind blowing now, like the thought of that, 515 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 3: but it also talks about your commitment. Walk me through 516 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 3: how you decided to be in the WNBA or ended 517 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 3: up playing in the WNBA and leaving overseas and what 518 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: that experience was like. 519 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: Well, the main reason why I went overseas was because 520 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to be an Olympian. And when I tried 521 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: out for the nineteen ninety two Olympic team, I got cut. 522 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: And the two things that they said, well, the reasons 523 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: why I got cut was one I was too short 524 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: and there's that short thing again, and then too I 525 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: didn't have enough international experience. So that's why I went 526 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: overseas to play to get myself ready for the next 527 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: Olympic Games, which was ninety six overseason in ninety two, 528 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: ninety three, in ninety four, and then that following year, 529 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,239 Speaker 1: like I went ninety four to ninety five, but I 530 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: came home a little bit early because I was a 531 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: little banged up over there and I wanted to just 532 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: kind of heal up so I can participate in the 533 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: Olympic trials. So it is, I mean, you have to 534 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,959 Speaker 1: be committed if you have goals, and you have to understand. 535 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: When I was. 536 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: Growing up in the projects, I only saw women play 537 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: in two events. One was a national championship, so I 538 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: wanted to be a national champion, and two was in 539 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: the Olympics, so I wanted to be an Olympian and 540 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: a gold medalist. So those were and I didn't even 541 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: think about a WNBA, I mean, and I knew the 542 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: NBA was out, So yeah, those two things just held 543 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: my tension and they made me super committed to that. 544 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 2: And little did. 545 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: I know, just from being involved in the ninety six 546 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: Olympic team, two women's basketball pro leagues were going to 547 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: be birthed out of our experience. I chose to stay 548 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: with the ABL because all of us didn't know that 549 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: there was going to be a w NBA league, so 550 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: we committed to playing in the ABL. 551 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 2: So I did that for two years. 552 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: And then I just felt like my body wouldn't be 553 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: able to take me playing year round, like doing the 554 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: traditional basketball season. So I decided after two years to 555 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: take my talents to the w NBA. 556 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: And there so I can play. 557 00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 3: We're talking history. We did a I think about the 558 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 3: year of the Olympic, Year of the Woman I thought 559 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 3: was ninety six, and we did this whole talk about 560 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 3: all the different things that came from the ninety six Olympics. 561 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 3: And you're speaking of that now, And how would you know? 562 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 3: You wouldn't know, but you still had the opportunity to 563 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 3: do both. I feel like the WNBA then versus now 564 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 3: has changed dramatically. I feel like this year, you give 565 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 3: me your take on it. This year there was more 566 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 3: buzz around the finals, I believe than ever before. More 567 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 3: people are paying attention. You know, the marketing feels better. 568 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 3: It feels like there is some value there. How would 569 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 3: you view the league when you played to now? 570 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: Well, when I played the league was just you know, 571 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: three years old. Three to I think I played five 572 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: or six years so three to nine it was under 573 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: ten years old. 574 00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 3: Baby. 575 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: But and I thought I thought it was talent field 576 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: back then. I thought it was super talented. And especially yeah, 577 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: especially yes, when the ABL folded and all those players 578 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: had to come into WNBA, it was the top to bottom. 579 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 2: Low, hot packed packed. 580 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: And then if you fast forward, you know, fifteen sixteen 581 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: years from there. As far as talent, I think the 582 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: talent's up and the talent's up because we've had twenty 583 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: five years of all of those those players that are 584 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: playing in a WNBA now, they only knew of a WNBA, 585 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: Like their their lifespan was really only off having a 586 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: women's professional league here in the States. So they had 587 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: something to really work hard for. They had goals. So 588 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 1: they're gonna do everything they need that they need to 589 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: do to give themselves a chance to play in the league. 590 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: And to do that, you got to be really good. 591 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: And whilst you're gonna be, you're gonna be left behind. 592 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: And that makes it, you know, I mean, if you 593 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: pour into anything like you know people have poured into 594 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: the w NBA right, and the novelty has worn off. 595 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 2: And I thought for a while. 596 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: It plant toad, But I think now we're coming back, 597 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: Like I think this is this is time for women, 598 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: like women in sports, this is this is our time, 599 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: like we have to strike when the iron's hot so 600 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: we can get to another twenty another fiftieth year, twenty 601 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: five more years. 602 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 2: And I do think, I do think you'll have a 603 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 2: million dollar player, a multimillion dollar player in the near future. 604 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 2: I do. You always try to compare. 605 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: Leagues, you know, you go back to the NBA their 606 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: first twenty five years. 607 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if there were a millionaires then. 608 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,439 Speaker 3: I say that now I say that now all the time. 609 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not I don't know, but what I 610 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 3: what I do know, and I hope I'm not like 611 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 3: how people romanticize what it used to be like. But 612 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 3: I do know if I feel like, if you sit 613 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 3: it up in swoops, even Lisa like y'all could take 614 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 3: these girls like if this was it was the talent 615 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 3: then versus the talent now, right, there's a lot of talent, 616 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 3: But I felt like it was more gritty. I felt 617 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 3: like it was more you know what I'm saying like 618 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 3: y'all had a different type of edge when y'all played. 619 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 3: And I don't know if that's the advent of college 620 00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 3: giving me, giving these stars more attention, giving them more access, 621 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 3: I don't know, but just it just feels different. The 622 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 3: the love for it feels different. 623 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well. 624 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: I gotta go back to you know, when the Teresia Edwards, 625 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: the you know, Medina Dixon's, you know, the the Debbie Litos, 626 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: the you know, the Yolanda Laneys. 627 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 2: I mean, these are those shoulders we stood on. 628 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: We stood on their shoulders, and now you know, now 629 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: this error of athletes in a w n B A 630 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: is standing on our shoulders. I do feel like there 631 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: was a different grittiness, meaning we we trim the fat, 632 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 1: like there's no there was no fact to us playing. 633 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: I think now there's a lot of fat to the 634 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,720 Speaker 1: w n B A in that you're trying to outdo somebody, 635 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: you're trying to I mean, they've worked on things that 636 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: you know, coaches back back in the day wouldn't allow 637 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: us to do. That was circuits basketball, you know what 638 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, but they they work on those things, 639 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: and I do think some of them have to utilize 640 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: some less traditional moves to outfox people, because I do 641 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: think they're they're bigger and stronger. 642 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, they're bigger, stronger. You don't think so, No, No, 643 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 2: I agree, you're right. 644 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, you're right. 645 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: That's how I'm saying this though, And I know I'm 646 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: looking at it from fifty one year old eyes. But 647 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: when I was around the Olympic team, and anytime I 648 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 1: go to a w NBA game, I do often think, 649 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: he this is physical. 650 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 2: I don't know if I could. I don't don't know. 651 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 3: After it, they know it's like you sitting courtside, you like, 652 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 3: you know, like you Okay, this is real. The girls 653 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 3: get after it. I'm with you, I agree, and they 654 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 3: are big girl like they are. I was at game too, 655 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 3: I was like, these these leagues ain't fulling, you know 656 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 3: what I mean. 657 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: But I'm fragile now, So I mean it's I have 658 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: a hard time believing that if we could, we could 659 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 1: freeze time, we could take this young lady at nineteen 660 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: ninety two and put her in today's league. 661 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 3: I still think you just back to basics, just fundamentals. 662 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 3: I think you, I think you would be right there. 663 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,320 Speaker 3: I think I wouldn't even I don't even. 664 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 2: Think my heart will be in it for sure, for sure, 665 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 2: for sure. 666 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 3: And maybe that's what I'm referring to Cauz And I'm 667 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 3: watching it differently, so I mean, I don't and it's hard. 668 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 3: I listen, I ain't play ball, so let me shut up. 669 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 3: But you like, I like this, I like I want 670 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 3: all of this. I want you to have all of this. 671 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 3: I want get back on defense. I don't want to 672 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 3: hear nothing else, want all of this right here. But 673 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. In my case, I'm just 674 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 3: saying that for you. Coach, Okay, I have to ask 675 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 3: you this because I know you got to go in 676 00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 3: a minute. You're one coach now coach highest paid or 677 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 3: you and Geno maybe tied. I don't know. I'm not 678 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 3: for sure, but I have the reports that you're the 679 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 3: highest paid basketball coach and women's basketball. You're black woman. 680 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 3: The celebration is loud, and I know you hear, but 681 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 3: you live on the humble, like NA big deal. Yeah, yeah, 682 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 3: I'm good. How does that make you feel? Do you 683 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 3: understand this, what is happening? Do you understand what you've done, 684 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 3: what you've been able to accomplish because you was folding 685 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 3: closed in nineteen. I just you right here. You don't 686 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 3: want to talk to the people at the retail store. 687 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 3: Was phone closed in ninety two. Now you're the highest paid. 688 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 3: I'm kicking it over almost three mili a year to 689 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 3: create an environment that nurtures women's sports. It's not just 690 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 3: for basketball, it's for women's sports in general. That's amazing. 691 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, uh, it's a thing that my path 692 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: truly was divinely ordered. Like I am a believer that 693 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: I found my calling. 694 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 2: I listened to. 695 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: Where God wanted me to go, because surely I didn't 696 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: see myself in Columbia, South Carolina like and then maybe 697 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: Philly like the Temple thing was a you know, was 698 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: it was a good match because I'm from Philly. But 699 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: then you know, once I left Philly and came to 700 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: South Carolina, I'm just like, I'm you know this this 701 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: is sp Yeah it well I didn't think it fit, 702 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: but as the years went by, it fit. And then 703 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 1: now I'm just gonna tell you what spared me, the 704 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: fight for what took place on Friday, which was you know, 705 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: a raise. It was I wanted Eco pay, like I wanted. 706 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 1: I wanted Eco pay and I never backed down from 707 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: it because here I am, I'm writing letters. I'm writing 708 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: letters to say to speak on all the inequities that 709 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 1: happened at in San Antonio at the n C Double 710 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: A Tournament. 711 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,439 Speaker 2: Like you know, I got it out. 712 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: I had to get it off my chest, and then 713 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,720 Speaker 1: I had to, you know, just move on and focus 714 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: on our team. And then it's stayed with me when 715 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: we got back, Like, am I going to be out 716 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: here politicking and fighting for equality nationally? And then we 717 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: we don't. I don't even have a here. There's now 718 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: there's not been you know, discussion about it. So then 719 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, hell, I'm going for it. Like for I'm like, 720 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm going for it, like this is what I want 721 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: like h And it took it took a while for 722 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: it to take place, but. 723 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 2: You got to. 724 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: Stay the course when you want to do something big. Now, 725 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 1: now now they offered me, you know, a significant race. 726 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: But then I'm like, hell, if you can get this, 727 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: you can. We're here, We're we almost here. 728 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 3: Give me my money. 729 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 2: But but but. 730 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 3: It's not about the money. It's about the principality. 731 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: Yes, but but through throughout the negotiations, it was all 732 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: about the money. Like basically, you know, some of the 733 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: stuff came out, like why you know, why you think 734 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,320 Speaker 1: you should make more than a football coach. 735 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 2: I like, I don't. I don't. 736 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: I didn't pay the football coach, Like really, I didn't. 737 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,280 Speaker 1: We're football school. SEC is a football conference. 738 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 2: I wasn't. That wasn't my My point. My point is 739 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:45,760 Speaker 2: I do. 740 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: I do what the men's basketball coach does. We've had 741 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: sustained success here. We've been in the final fours, we 742 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: won a national championship. We've done basically all these things, 743 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: and and I had to look at like if you 744 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: look at and I don't want to talk about Frank 745 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,439 Speaker 1: Martin in this way. I'm just going to talk about 746 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: the numbers. And the numbers say, I've been here from 747 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight until now. He was here from 748 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty and twelve until now. If you 749 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 1: add up his his increases, his salary increases, and you 750 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:33,360 Speaker 1: add up mine, he's got more. So that number is 751 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,720 Speaker 1: staggering to me. And I just felt like now's the time. 752 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: But it's also you know, was I fighting for me? 753 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:41,399 Speaker 3: Yes? 754 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: But I was also fighting for a bigger, like, this 755 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: is much bigger than me. 756 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 2: This is for black women, for white women, for. 757 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:58,720 Speaker 1: Corporate women, CEOs, this is for teachers, this is for administrators, 758 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: This is for every woman that doesn't get a dollar 759 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 1: on the dollar she earned. And and I just felt like, 760 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, and I don't. 761 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 2: I didn't. 762 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 1: I was doubtful. I was really doubtful whether or not 763 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 1: it was gonna get done. But when it got done, 764 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,320 Speaker 1: it was well worth the negotiations. It was well worth 765 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, the high pitched voices that were you know, 766 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,799 Speaker 1: viewed out because it was. 767 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,879 Speaker 2: Not about me. It was more about everybody else. 768 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: And I just hope this creates a norm because this 769 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 1: is unpopular. It's unpopular for for South Carolina to do it, 770 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,400 Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's a microcosm of what's happening 771 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: out there in the world. So I hope it moves 772 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,399 Speaker 1: from being an unpopular right thing to a popular right 773 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,520 Speaker 1: thing and the norm. So I think it's I think 774 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,879 Speaker 1: it's a pretty big deal. I think it's pretty cool deal. 775 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 1: And all these things were happening too when I just 776 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: told somebody, this is Robert Roberts, that the LFG documentary 777 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: that they had on CNN. 778 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 2: I watched it. I sat down and watched it. 779 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm just like, damn, this is a damn shame that 780 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: this is happening to them when you know they've been 781 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: super successful. So I sat down, I watched it, I 782 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,319 Speaker 1: took notes, and I'm just like, I'm I'm I'm here 783 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: for this reason, Like sometimes you need something tangible to say, 784 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: this is why you're here. Keep pushing, keep fighting, keep 785 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: this is what we need. We need groundbreaking went, we 786 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 1: need momentum heading into you know what I think is 787 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,359 Speaker 1: a woman's movement. It's time for us to rise up 788 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: and to risk it all. 789 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 2: Because I did. I risked. I risked it all. 790 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: Like they could have said, now I'll get on out 791 00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: of here. You know we're not doing this out there, 792 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: you So you got to be able to risk it 793 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 1: all and know that if it doesn't turn out the 794 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,280 Speaker 1: way you wanted to, it wasn't because you didn't bite. 795 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 3: Let's normalize equal pay. How about that. Let's normalize equal 796 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,799 Speaker 3: pay for hard working black women and women all over. 797 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,720 Speaker 3: But let's just normalize equal pay. It just it's just 798 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 3: so simple. 799 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 2: Like like. 800 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,399 Speaker 1: Like equal pay like racism, Like it's such it's such 801 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 1: a simple thing to solve. 802 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 3: I okay, I gotta let you go. Last question. Number one, preseason, Congratulations, 803 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,640 Speaker 3: What we're looking like? I mean, just so many wins, 804 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 3: so many wins, and I know, I know what it 805 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 3: feels like to be the first and do so many 806 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,399 Speaker 3: things that people haven't done before. And all it is 807 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,840 Speaker 3: is check check, check, check check, and we keep moving 808 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 3: you back. You're back in practice. You don't like I 809 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,400 Speaker 3: I need you to take a moment to dis enjoy 810 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,759 Speaker 3: this season. Let it be two weeks, so it'd be 811 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,439 Speaker 3: a day. But it is a beautiful thing to watch. 812 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,880 Speaker 3: It makes me so happy, Like I'm so happy listening 813 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 3: to you right now. Do you understand like I am 814 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 3: celebrating every one of your wins because it's a win 815 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 3: for us. It is a win for the culture, it's 816 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,840 Speaker 3: a win for women. It is a win, huge wins, 817 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,279 Speaker 3: and I'd like to see us have some parody and 818 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,120 Speaker 3: normalize something different, especially in women's basketball at the collegiate level. 819 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 3: Number one, preseason, What we looking like? 820 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I probably like everybody else, good, bad, ugly 821 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,359 Speaker 1: dead times Like, I mean, we got a good team, 822 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 1: no doubt about it, very very talented, and we just 823 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: started doing this this week and it's not fun. But 824 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: we just started simulating what a game would be like 825 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: in terms of institutions. So some people aren't getting as 826 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 1: many reps as they've gotten, you know, for the two 827 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:08,960 Speaker 1: months that we've been together. 828 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,799 Speaker 2: So you'll hear a little bit of chirping, you. 829 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,400 Speaker 1: See a little bit of facial expressions, You'll see a 830 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: little bit of body language, and that's normal. 831 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 2: You know. 832 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm not going to take that away from competitors, but 833 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,759 Speaker 1: I told our players this year that we're all going 834 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 1: to have to sacrifice and you got to keep you 835 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: got to keep sending that message because again they lose 836 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,840 Speaker 1: sight because they look within and say, hey, I'm not starting, 837 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:43,399 Speaker 1: I'm not playing. So we gotta consistently, you know, give 838 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,280 Speaker 1: them that message. And I asked them again, I'm very beginning. 839 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 1: I was like a little bit different. Y'all know you 840 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: understand what we're They all say yes, I said, but 841 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,439 Speaker 1: we only need what you do best just this year, 842 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 1: just this year. We don't need your whole bag. We 843 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,880 Speaker 1: know you we can do a lot of things with 844 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,640 Speaker 1: that basketball, but we only need the thing that you 845 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,840 Speaker 1: do best. And if you do that, things are gonna 846 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 1: start clearing up. If you try to muck it up 847 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 1: by looking at what this person does, which is her 848 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,400 Speaker 1: best thing, but you want to add that to what 849 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: you already do, it's gonna mess things up. So we 850 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 1: have to constantly battle with our players to see the 851 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:25,720 Speaker 1: big picture. 852 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 2: And it's not gonna happen. 853 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,040 Speaker 1: Overnight, but it's going to happen if we're if we 854 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 1: just like we have to drill how we're playing ball screens, 855 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,839 Speaker 1: wall screen defense, we gotta drill it. We gotta drill 856 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 1: these things too, because you know it's coming. We playing, 857 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 1: you know two weeks, the parents are gonna come to 858 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,960 Speaker 1: the games. They're gonna see their little girls expecting them 859 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: to play. And we're gonna get on a zoom call 860 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,280 Speaker 1: with the parents and we're gonna say, hey, we're about 861 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:56,320 Speaker 1: to start. 862 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 2: Your daughter may play some minutes, no minutes, a lot 863 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,720 Speaker 2: of minutes. We don't know. Any given day could change. 864 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 2: So we need you, We need you to be parents 865 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 2: and support them. 866 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,239 Speaker 1: Don't ask what you don't know, because you know, we've 867 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: been in the gym for two months and if you 868 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,880 Speaker 1: want to count back to June, five to six months. 869 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,000 Speaker 2: So it is what it is. 870 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,399 Speaker 1: So I think we do a really good job of communicating, 871 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,400 Speaker 1: and we got a good team. And whether we're the 872 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,560 Speaker 1: number one or number three, number six, number eight, whatever 873 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:36,600 Speaker 1: it is, we're gonna fight. We're gonna not literally fight, 874 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:37,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna. 875 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:46,799 Speaker 3: But maybe we need Sometimes sometimes it happens. Coach, I 876 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,719 Speaker 3: know you have to go. We only need you. I'm 877 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,400 Speaker 3: writing down with Church. We need you to do the 878 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 3: thing you do best. That's it, that's all we want 879 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 3: them to do. I am room for you, and I 880 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,200 Speaker 3: am so very very very very very excited for you. 881 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,239 Speaker 3: No matter what the season looks like, we hope it's 882 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,839 Speaker 3: always a win. I went to UCLA, so I gotta 883 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,200 Speaker 3: be careful what I say because you know they be 884 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,160 Speaker 3: watching everything. Coach Coach close texting me like, oh, Terry, 885 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 3: can I talk to you? I'd be like, I can't. 886 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,399 Speaker 3: I get like, Coach, I didn't play. I just they're 887 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,640 Speaker 3: working sports. I'm sorry, but I coach, I'm just I 888 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 3: am so proud of you and so excited for what's 889 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,799 Speaker 3: next in your journey. You have really, truly, truly been 890 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 3: a trailblazer and it's not gonna notice. We need it. 891 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,440 Speaker 3: So thank you for it. Thank you so as this 892 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 3: is being released. It's week one of college basketball. Don 893 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,680 Speaker 3: did not know this, but I intentionally moved this podcast 894 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 3: up so that I could praise her during this week. 895 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,239 Speaker 3: Her class currently is number one preseason number one. All 896 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 3: that means nothing to her, as she has talked about. 897 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,719 Speaker 3: I will be very clear here though, if just in 898 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,640 Speaker 3: case you know, my coach, coach close at UCLA is listening, 899 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,520 Speaker 3: I am ruined, but I'm very impressed by Don, so 900 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,840 Speaker 3: please don't be mad at me. Side note, I'm looking 901 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 3: forward to see what she does, and I don't want 902 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,360 Speaker 3: to hear anyone critiquing her if she doesn't have the 903 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,400 Speaker 3: season that's some expect because she got paid that money 904 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,640 Speaker 3: she got paid that was already invested years ago. Yeah, 905 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,279 Speaker 3: I had her at a bargain, right, you got her 906 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,080 Speaker 3: on the cheat. You finally pay her her worth. This 907 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,120 Speaker 3: is back, if you will, I don't want to hear 908 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 3: no no crap talking. I do want to say though, 909 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,200 Speaker 3: when I listened to the podcast, I thought it has 910 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 3: to be difficult to always feel like you have to 911 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,600 Speaker 3: do and say the right thing when you're in such 912 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,799 Speaker 3: a public position. College sports is very political. Although people 913 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,640 Speaker 3: will say it's not, college sports is very political sports 914 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,319 Speaker 3: and generalists, but on the collegiate level there is an 915 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,880 Speaker 3: extra layer of red tape that you have to deal 916 00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,680 Speaker 3: with boosters, you know, alumni parents. She meant all of that. 917 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,719 Speaker 3: There's so much going on, but she has been able 918 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,040 Speaker 3: to do something that I think we all should learn 919 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:11,839 Speaker 3: to do. Keep the main thing the main thing. I'm 920 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,080 Speaker 3: here to coach these girls to play basketball so that 921 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,200 Speaker 3: they can compete and move on and do whatever they 922 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,200 Speaker 3: want to do that in light, whether that be go 923 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 3: to the league, whether that be find another career, maybe 924 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,919 Speaker 3: that be a coach, whatever it may be. I'm here 925 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,839 Speaker 3: to do the main thing, and I keep the main 926 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,480 Speaker 3: thing the main thing. Oftentimes we get so caught up 927 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,919 Speaker 3: and shit that just don't matter. Instead of just being right, 928 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,319 Speaker 3: instead of just doing what we came to do, we 929 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,239 Speaker 3: get caught up and distracted. And that's where we see 930 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,839 Speaker 3: all the pitfalls, all the problems. So I thank Don 931 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 3: for reminding me to keep the main thing the main thing. 932 00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:01,040 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. That's the main thing today. Kid back 933 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:01,800 Speaker 3: next week, y'all. 934 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:08,600 Speaker 2: HM