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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, hear about on normally the show with normal

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Speaker 2: I am Mary got the Ham and I'm Carol Marcowitz.

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Speaker 2: You know, some days we are like, what should we

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Speaker 2: talk about today? And then other days it's like a

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Speaker 2: deluge of topics. So we're gonna do our best today

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Speaker 2: to squeeze in a bunch of things. But we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to start here with the very tragic shooting in

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Speaker 2: Minnesota of an activist woman, Renee Good, by an ice

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Speaker 2: agent a few days ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's by the way, I took my kids to

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Speaker 1: their first Broadway show this weekend, and so they were

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Speaker 1: up in New York with me. You sleep busy, but

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Speaker 1: I was also working some and by the time, oh,

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Speaker 1: we saw Lion King, they loved it. But by the

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Speaker 1: time we were coming back on the train, more news

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Speaker 1: was breaking, and I just was like, I can't until

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Speaker 1: probably Tuesday. And so, because this requires a lot of

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Speaker 1: thinking and a lot of very different angles, so let

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Speaker 1: me start by saying, like, as somebody you know who

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Speaker 1: has pretty close experience with law enforcement, I am very

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Speaker 1: concerned about the direct action culture of protesting in liberal

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Speaker 1: cities coming together with an ice operation that has not

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Speaker 1: been helped by locals, yeah, and therefore has to be

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Speaker 1: in a bunch of neighborhoods and ends up increasing the

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Speaker 1: number of possibly tense situations you were going to have

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Speaker 1: unsafe in many situations. And I wish that we had

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Speaker 1: observed the cultural norm that putting your body and your

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Speaker 1: vehicle into an active federal law enforcement operation was not

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Speaker 1: a good idea, but we have not preserve that cultural

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Speaker 1: norm in many, many places, and it can end really,

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Speaker 1: really badly.

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Speaker 3: I feel like.

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Speaker 2: There's been a shift in what a lot of people

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Speaker 2: it's hard to avoid this observation, but it's been largely

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Speaker 2: kind of middle class to affluent white women who sort

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Speaker 2: of believe that they could just get in the middle

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Speaker 2: of a police investigation or an ice operation or any

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Speaker 2: being there will make them stop the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: And I think that people.

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Speaker 2: Need to get a grip and realize that's just not

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Speaker 2: how it goes when a law enforcement agent tells you

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Speaker 2: the car, you don't gun it. And I think that

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Speaker 2: that's part of what makes society function, is that we

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Speaker 2: the people we have trusted to enforce those laws. I

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Speaker 2: wrote about this in a post column a few days ago.

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Speaker 2: But Democrats are portraying ICE agents as illegitimate because they

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Speaker 2: don't want to say what their position on immigration is.

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Speaker 3: They can't say, hey, we're for open borders and.

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Speaker 2: Anybody who comes in illegally we want to ultimately legalize,

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Speaker 2: because that's electoral death.

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Speaker 3: But they also, you know, so they can't say who

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Speaker 2: Really oppose illegal immigration. So they found this you know,

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Speaker 2: kind of demon for their audience to attack. And that

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Speaker 2: And Democrats can't say, well, we should change these laws

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Speaker 3: And so this is.

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Speaker 4: Where we are.

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Speaker 1: Well, and look, I so wish that this had ended differently.

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Speaker 1: There were decisions made throughout this interaction that escalated it.

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Speaker 1: I think reasonable people can disagree on whether the off

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Speaker 1: the officer pretty quickly can go to reasonable fear that

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Speaker 4: The other side of the car.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to get into all the forensics

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Speaker 1: in court. But once, to me, once a car is involved,

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Speaker 1: you're in pretty safe territory being reasonably reasonably afraid. And

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Speaker 1: I am a little bit mystified by people who don't

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Speaker 2: They're like, she just tapped him a little, she just

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is I think again, the cultural norm that

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Speaker 1: But I wish so much this had ended differently. Certainly

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Speaker 1: law enforcement doesn't want it to end this way. But

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Speaker 1: each step that you are inserting yourself, you are escalating

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Speaker 4: As a civilian.

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Speaker 1: Now that may be something that you feel must righteously

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Speaker 1: be done. I want people to be able to robustly

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Speaker 1: there have been plenty of reports of it where I go, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if you are detaining American citizens, that's a problem. You're

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Speaker 1: making mistakes. If you're detaining them for any length of

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Speaker 1: There have been questions about recruiting and whether training is

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Speaker 1: commensurate with this giant operation that they have had to

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Speaker 1: giant operation because liberal cities are explicitly not cooperating. There

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Speaker 1: is a way where this gets done because when a

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Speaker 1: criminal is detained, the local police honor the ICE detainer,

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Speaker 1: and then ICE comes to the jail away from everyone

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Speaker 4: By the way, Bill.

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Speaker 3: Mlujin, Yeah, I was gonna say that, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The people that they picked up in Minneapolis, that this

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Speaker 1: was an attempt to hundreds.

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Speaker 2: Of people, not like three or four, hundreds and hundreds

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Speaker 4: Well, and importantly the worst of the worst, Yeah, were people.

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Speaker 1: With convictions, sometimes multiple right of child assault, sexual assault,

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Speaker 1: child sexual assault, rape, murder. I mean, these were very

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Speaker 1: serious problems and the practical position of the Jacob Fries

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Speaker 1: wants his city to be safe, right, is that there

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Speaker 1: is no way that he should cooperate to turn those

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Speaker 1: That's right. You have created conditions that are gonna be problematic.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And they wouldn't you know, people say these masked agents,

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't be masked if they weren't threatened. They wouldn't

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Speaker 3: We've gone so far.

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Speaker 2: I just over the line that I think that it's

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Speaker 2: a scary time to be in law enforcement. And it's

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Speaker 2: the fact that Democrats have rendered these people, you know,

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Speaker 3: Big, ongoing problem.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that the violence is so easily and

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Speaker 1: And when it comes to masking, you're right, Carol, that

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Speaker 1: there is an impetus for the masking. I'm on the

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Speaker 1: an important part of these interactions. They should always be

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Speaker 1: misread it. In this particular case, she knew she was

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Speaker 3: He absolutely did.

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Speaker 4: Law enforcement was masked, but very clearly marked.

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Speaker 1: Was clearly the guy in particular who shot was clearly

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Speaker 1: gathering evidence about her car with his video as he

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Speaker 4: And they were aware.

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Speaker 1: Of this the entire time. So that wasn't a miscommunication.

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Speaker 1: Nor were the commands which were I actually did concede.

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Speaker 1: There could be confusing commands. Here were one guy's telling

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Speaker 4: It didn't appear that way on the video. So I

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Speaker 1: Much inability of public officials to be adult about these things.

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Speaker 1: You had a police chief in Portland crying about the

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Speaker 1: fact that he had to reveal that to trende Aragua

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Speaker 1: links people who had been involved in another ice shooting

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Speaker 1: because they tried to run over an ICE agent. You

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Speaker 1: haven't heard a lot about that one because it ended

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Speaker 3: Were disappeared to the news fast.

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Speaker 1: The Portland police chief is crying not because of victims

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Speaker 1: on other Latinos. Question Mark, I don't I don't know

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Speaker 1: why you're automatically putting trender iuagua and legal you know,

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Speaker 1: citizens in the same bucket. That is not behavior that

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Speaker 1: inspires confidence. Philip Bump can go on TV and cry

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Speaker 1: But I also should not. But police chiefs are called

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Speaker 1: And the same goes for Frankly Jade Vance like saying

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Speaker 1: he's like, this is an investigation, we will find out

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Speaker 1: more everyone else, Let's just can we give it a minute?

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Speaker 2: Right they It's very hard to give it a minute

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Speaker 2: when you see the Left turning this guy into you know,

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Speaker 3: And oh, his life wasn't threatened.

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Speaker 2: He was just grazed by five thousand, you know, two

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Speaker 1: I do want to emphasize that it is not in

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Speaker 1: dispute that the car made contact with Oh yeah, that

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Speaker 4: That's just an that's just a pertinent fact.

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Speaker 3: He should have jumped out of the way.

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Speaker 2: They say, like, who are you on your couch watching

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Speaker 3: Hopped out of the way. Like Plus, her wife.

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Speaker 2: Was screaming, drive baby drive, and it's you know, she's

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Speaker 2: after it happened. The wife was also screaming, this was

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Speaker 1: Can we play? So there's another video. I believe this

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Speaker 1: is also out of Minnesota. It is not the same people.

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Speaker 1: There's some allegations that it's the same person.

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Speaker 4: It's not.

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Speaker 1: It's just a woman who arrives at an arrest scene

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Speaker 1: civilian and this is the interaction she has with the

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Speaker 4: Who handle it. Extremely well.

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Speaker 1: It's about a little over a minute long, and this

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Speaker 1: badly because you're putting yourself in a dangerous situation.

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Speaker 4: Let's listen to this clip.

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Speaker 3: I'm far enough away.

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Speaker 4: I'm not influenza. I don't know I needed to get here.

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Speaker 3: No, I won't.

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Speaker 4: It's my right to be here. I will not. You're

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Speaker 3: No, I won't tell me why.

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Speaker 4: I'm far enough away from.

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Speaker 3: Beyond our course.

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Speaker 4: Don't touch me. Please.

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Speaker 3: Where's your car?

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Speaker 4: These arrests can go so wrong so fast. Yeah, even

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Democrats should be grown ups and tell their base

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Speaker 3: That's really where we draw the line.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more on normally talking about

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Speaker 2: the amazing, brave protesters in Iran.

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Speaker 1: Be're right back, right, Carol, another sort of generationally important

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Speaker 3: See any rooting for this.

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Speaker 3: You know, this idea that the left is supposed to.

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Speaker 1: I hate that well, and it's such an obviously human

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Speaker 4: The age of its awful leader.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's facing a lot of handicaps right now,

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Speaker 2: Why are people risking death in Iran? The answer is

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Speaker 1: That's something they sort of can't confront and therefore, and

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Speaker 4: Ju's We're back right right?

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Speaker 2: Look, you know, I think that's it. If I had

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Speaker 3: Tucker was at.

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Speaker 3: Who invited him? Why was he there? All of that,

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Speaker 1: If it were me, I simply would not invite people

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Speaker 3: It could have easily been Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: He is a very wants to like everybody wants to

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Speaker 2: that's because they like him now. It's because they're going

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Speaker 2: to use that against Republicans in the midterms or in

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Speaker 2: twenty eight. They're keeping their powder dry, and that is

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Speaker 2: why you're not hearing the Tucker and Groper people being

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Speaker 2: tied to Republicans quite yet, but we certainly will be

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Speaker 2: hearing that soon.

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Speaker 3: But here's a question I have.

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Speaker 2: You know, my husband, who is a big normy, big

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Speaker 2: fan of the show, asked me who sends them this script?

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Speaker 2: Why do Democrats all end up using the exact same language?

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Speaker 2: And my husband was like, is it the DNC? And

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Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, it's definitely not the DNC, because

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Speaker 2: AOC would take that, you know, note and throw it

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Speaker 2: in the garbage if it's the d NC. So it

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Speaker 2: has to be somebody somebody is coordinating this, and that

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Speaker 2: is a story that I would love for the New

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Speaker 2: York Times or like semaphore to tell where is this

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Speaker 2: coming from?

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Speaker 4: Also, why don't they make it slightly less obvious? And

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Speaker 4: this goes for anyone who gets these.

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Speaker 1: Like just a tiny bit, a little tiny bit, so

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Speaker 1: you're not all doing the exact same tweet at the

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Speaker 1: same time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but this one very clearly was a

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Speaker 1: a heel turn. Yeah, and and about face to everybody.

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Speaker 1: Everybody has the meme goes installed their new chip like

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Speaker 1: it's bad actually, and I would love to join latecomers

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Speaker 1: in the Hamasis bad camp. However, I am somewhat skeptical

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Speaker 1: of their sty Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So in other news, if we're going to just keep

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Speaker 2: in this topic, Vein, the oldest synagogue in Mississippi was

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Speaker 2: attacked with fire over the weekend. A suspect has been

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Speaker 2: charged with arson. No name yet for that suspect. A

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Speaker 2: lot of people are tagging me on X but I

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Speaker 2: don't know yet, so I'll keep posted if I hear anything.

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Speaker 3: It's a really terrible story.

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Speaker 2: It's, you know, again, the oldest synagogue in Mississippi. It

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Speaker 2: should be a gigantic story that this kind of thing

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Speaker 2: is going on in America. You know, I would hope

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Speaker 2: that bigger the stories like this would be kind of

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Speaker 2: more front and center. We're doing our best on here,

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Speaker 2: but it really should be more of a story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to note from New York Times

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Speaker 1: the synagogue's library, where the fire originated and surrounding rooms

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Speaker 1: were severely damaged. Mister Felson said, the rabbi, I believe

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Speaker 1: reduced to blackened, charred ruins. There is smoke damage throughout

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Speaker 1: the building. Two torahs in the library were destroyed, which

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Speaker 1: is just like a life time of work because those

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Speaker 1: are hand made, by hand written.

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Speaker 4: One was one.

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Speaker 1: Survived, which was in a glass case, which was a

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Speaker 1: toro rescued during the Holocaust.

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Speaker 4: So that's a little bright spot in there.

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Speaker 1: Really awful news and like you said, something that should

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Speaker 1: be larger news. By the way, Charles Felton, excuse me

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Speaker 1: as the chief of investigations for the fire department that

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Speaker 1: is looking into this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, prayers to the people in Mississippi. Glad nobody

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Speaker 2: was hurt. At least that's a bright spot and looking

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Speaker 2: forward to hearing.

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Speaker 3: Who the suspect is.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we'll be right back with one more segment

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Speaker 2: of normally let's talk about parenting.

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 1: Alrighty Carol, We're back on normally with a little parenting chat.

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Speaker 4: There's always a parenting discussion going on on the internet.

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Speaker 4: This one lit a.

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Speaker 1: Little viral yesterday because someone was critiquing a public intellectual

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Speaker 1: assort Scott Alexander, I believe, founder of Slate star Codex,

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Speaker 1: which is sort of a liberty harryan Silicon Valley Sinky

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Speaker 1: blog at any rate, someone was picking on him, or

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Speaker 1: not picking on him, but critiquing him for publicizing that

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Speaker 1: he can't get his toddlers to bed and saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: if this is like the rationalist intellectual part of this

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Speaker 1: movement and they can't control three year olds, Like, what

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Speaker 1: does that mean this movement control this movement, by the way,

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Speaker 1: it's called the Gray Tribe rationalists. But he tells a

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Speaker 1: fairly normalish story about putting his kid to bed and

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Speaker 1: all the things that his kid wants with they give

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Speaker 1: a ten minutes to bedtime warning, they give a five

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Speaker 1: minutes to bedtime war. His kid then wants food, and

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Speaker 1: this is an interesting part because he knows we're softies

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Speaker 1: and won't let him go to bed hungry.

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Speaker 4: They let him eat.

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Speaker 1: Again, and then they try to take him away from

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Speaker 1: his food and he screams my food, my food, my food,

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Speaker 1: my food, my food because it worked.

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Speaker 4: The first time. And they're just.

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Speaker 3: Caught in this the kitten charge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, constant thing, or they can't get their kid to bed,

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Speaker 1: And I like, I'm not going to hate on you, dude,

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Speaker 1: but here's the deal.

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Speaker 4: You're in charge, be the parent, you're the parents.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's very hard to give parenting advice

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Speaker 2: because you know, kids change, your situation changes.

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Speaker 3: It's like the idea that you're you're so good at.

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Speaker 2: The parenting that you've raised your kids and you want

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Speaker 2: to give advice to others.

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Speaker 3: It's tough. It's a tough little line to walk.

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Speaker 2: But my kids are fifteen, twelve, and ten, so I

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Speaker 2: could comment on the toddler years and say, you have

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Speaker 2: to be authoritarian. You're the king here. Okay, this is

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Speaker 2: not a democracy. Your kids do not get a vote.

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Speaker 2: And that's really where these kinds of people have to

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Speaker 2: understand that they are in charge. And the other thing

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Speaker 2: that I will tell them, this is the crazy thing

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Speaker 2: that I hear a lot parents who are like, well,

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Speaker 2: will my kids still love me if I yell at

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Speaker 2: them like, oh, I assure.

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Speaker 3: You they will still love you. Yell. I yell quite

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Speaker 3: a bit. Actually.

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Speaker 4: Also, here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Look, yes, same as you with the caveat and parenting advice.

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Speaker 1: This this thing could go sideways any minute, any minute, right.

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Speaker 1: But having been there with toddlers and having learned through

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Speaker 1: several children, because I think I was too tough in

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Speaker 1: my expectations of my first kid and then realizing it

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Speaker 1: was developmentally appropriate at various times, we just had too

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Speaker 1: many standoffs that were not necessary and I should have

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Speaker 1: just been like, oh, you're two and a half. But

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Speaker 1: I do think there's a lot of people responding to

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Speaker 1: this who are like, no, this is just like how

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Speaker 1: toddlers act, and that's true. Look, maybe you haven't decided

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Speaker 1: that bedtime is the battle you want to fight, right,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna let the kids sort of dictate that. If

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Speaker 1: that's your decision and you've got other things under control, fine.

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Speaker 4: I do think what people miss is that children need

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Speaker 4: you to be they do.

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Speaker 1: Your three year old doesn't know when he needs to

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Speaker 1: eat food. You know when he needs to eat food. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And a simple fix for this would be, Hey, Bud,

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Speaker 1: I know you're hungry sometimes at bedtime, but we have

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Speaker 1: dinner at this time, and after six o'clock or seven

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Speaker 1: o'clock or whatever it is, we do no more. Right,

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Speaker 1: So when he asks for food again, you say, babe,

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Speaker 1: there's the clock. You see the six we're learning six

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Speaker 1: is it's past six, So we will not be adding anything.

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Speaker 4: But let's go upstairs and read your book.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, redirect for sure, and understand that these toddlers

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Speaker 2: are playing you.

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Speaker 3: They are smart. They're not dumb.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, they're little and they're not really fully developed,

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Speaker 2: but like, they are smart and they know how to

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Speaker 2: play you.

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Speaker 3: So when the kid is greaping my food, they know

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Speaker 3: what it's going to do to you.

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Speaker 1: He knows exactly if he admits, he knows exactly what

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Speaker 1: is his weak spot. And the kid knows what the

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Speaker 1: weak spot is. And like I said, choose your battles.

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Speaker 1: But if this is plaguing you and your kid isn't

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Speaker 1: getting enough sleep and you're having constant negotiations, draw the

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Speaker 1: line in the sand and stick with it because you

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Speaker 1: are the one who knows what.

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Speaker 4: Should happen here, and you shouldn't trust that judgment to

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Speaker 4: the three year old. And it is not cruel to

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Speaker 4: not give the reins to a three year old.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and sleep is the most important battle.

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Speaker 2: I'll just add that at the you know to as

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Speaker 2: our final note, because sleep it makes everything else good

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Speaker 2: or bad. When you're not sleeping, when nobody's sleeping in

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Speaker 2: the house, everything turns to you know and it's it's

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Speaker 2: not a good situation. So get the sleep figured out

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Speaker 2: and then you can decide whether other battles are worth fighting.

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Speaker 3: But the sleep one is always worth fighting.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you on that one, and people have different

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Speaker 1: ways of fighting it.

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Speaker 4: Like I used to be less scheduled, but.

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Speaker 1: Now like I got two kids who are on their

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Speaker 1: schedule and they sleep well, and I'm like, hold's with it.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays,

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Speaker 2: and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get

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Speaker 2: in touch with us at normally theepod at gmail dot com.

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