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Speaker 1: Lesk is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your home of the Black and Gold s n

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Speaker 1: R Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to the Drive. At a

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Speaker 1: big day yesterday, as the voting for the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame took place virtually virtually and guests took more than

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Speaker 1: eight hours to do. That's a long virtual call. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, having set through that meeting last year, it

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Speaker 1: was still it was about an eight hour day. They

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Speaker 1: did have limits on it, though, we I think we

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Speaker 1: got there. We had to check in by seven thirty,

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Speaker 1: if memory serves right, in the morning, and then we

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Speaker 1: started the meeting at eight. We broke for lunch, but

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Speaker 1: we had to be done by if memory serves right,

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Speaker 1: we had to be done by three or four o'clock.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember which one exactly, because the awards show

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Speaker 1: is at night and they need they needed time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you have you were limited with your time on

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Speaker 1: how much you could speak about each guy. Obviously, with

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Speaker 1: no time constraints because there's no awards dinner yesterday and

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna find out until February six who gets

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Speaker 1: in and who does not. Um, they could do this

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Speaker 1: a little bit longer. And I'm sure that uh, it

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Speaker 1: went on and on. Yeah, um, and I guess it's

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Speaker 1: a little different to you know, sitting next to your buddy, like, boy,

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Speaker 1: I gotta take a leak, let's gett's here. Well, that

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Speaker 1: was the thing with it with the voting last year,

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Speaker 1: and you went in and you know it's talking dead.

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Speaker 1: Bouchette about it beforehand, he said, you know, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of important where you sit at first of all, because

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Speaker 1: it was you know, we're in a big conference room

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Speaker 1: and they have a big they have table set up

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Speaker 1: and every you know, all forty eight voters sit around

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Speaker 1: the table to the outside and then you know up

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Speaker 1: front is David Baker and the Hall of Fame people. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, they had microphones like every three

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Speaker 1: It's a big room here. Yeah, yeah, this was a

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Speaker 1: little different. I could, you know, having done a bunch

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Speaker 1: of zoom calls, you forty people tellus the it's more

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Speaker 1: than that really because you know Bakers there and the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame people are listening in as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a big zoom call um talking over each other. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's the thing. Yeah, right, you know, so whoever has

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Speaker 1: because there are there is a question and the answer

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Speaker 1: period there as well. After you get done, after you

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Speaker 1: do your presentation, then there's a question in the answer

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Speaker 1: period where people can say, hey, well, hey, what you know,

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Speaker 1: why did this happen? Or why you know, why did

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight team why or two thousand

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Speaker 1: eight why did you know? Why did he move to

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Speaker 1: left tackle? Or why did this guy? Why did his

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Speaker 1: numbers up off? You know those kind of things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: during that period, I'm just curious do people vent their

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Speaker 1: concerns or yeah, I mean it's an open floor and

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Speaker 1: people talk, you know. That was that was the area

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Speaker 1: the time period last year, because I presented both Fannica

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Speaker 1: and Paula Malu. It was during that debate period where

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Speaker 1: people started talking about, well, you know, I think maybe

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Speaker 1: we're letting too many first time ballot, first ballot people

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Speaker 1: I mean not that it really matters. And Ray Board

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Speaker 1: today talking about how how we've placed too great of

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Speaker 1: of Famer. It doesn't really matter. Uh, that doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: to me. But there are guys. If you sit down

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Speaker 1: as well, if you sit down in that room and

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Speaker 1: the guys you know, if you if you just say,

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Speaker 1: you know, like this year, I don't know if this

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is what happened. But Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 1: you don't. I really have to say a whole lot more.

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Speaker 1: I actually brought that up to you last week, Like

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Speaker 1: really have to spend an hour? I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if I was in charge of Tom Brady or Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 1: I think I'd preface if I say, and do I

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Speaker 1: convince anybody? And if anyone if one guy raised her hand,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you my whole case. But we're all knowledgeable

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Speaker 1: human beings here, you know. I mean, there's a couple

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Speaker 1: that there are guys. Um. For example, Clay Matthews this

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Speaker 1: year was in his nineteenth year of eligibility. Now he

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Speaker 1: hasn't been a finalist every year. Um, he's getting he's

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Speaker 1: getting near the end where he'll have to he'll have

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Speaker 1: to get pushed into the Senior Committee. And the Senior

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Speaker 1: Committee only gets to elect one guy each year. And

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Speaker 1: there's a big backlog there. But just human nature. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if there were people that were thinking about Clay Matthews

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Speaker 1: in previous years, maybe they vote yes this year as

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Speaker 1: opposed to last year. All things being well, he wasn't

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Speaker 1: even on the finalist list last year. That's the problem

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Speaker 1: I have with this later be a finalist every year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you're for example, Alan Fanic as a finalist for

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Speaker 1: the sixth consecutive year, he's made it to the final

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Speaker 1: ten every one of those years. The way it goes

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Speaker 1: for fifteen to ten to five. What they do is

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Speaker 1: you take, you get to you come in, you present

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Speaker 1: the fifteen and we all know those names. Everybody knows

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Speaker 1: those names. So then you have a vote and eliminate

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Speaker 1: five and you then are told, okay, now we're down

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Speaker 1: to this these ten bust in the public don't know

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Speaker 1: typically Yeah, Um that that usually gets out though that

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Speaker 1: you know this guy was a finalist. But if you're

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Speaker 1: on the final fifteen, you're you're being voted on that day. Um.

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Speaker 1: But if you can't make the final fifteen nineteen years

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Speaker 1: in a row for Clay Matthews came, then you're probably

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Speaker 1: not a Hall of Fame. We've been up that many

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Speaker 1: times and you couldn't be a finalist, like you know,

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Speaker 1: I sat there. Uh. Sam Mills was a finalist again

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Speaker 1: this year. He was easily the first guy crossed off

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Speaker 1: my list last year. I understand because the argument that

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Speaker 1: or the conversation for him was that, well he was

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Speaker 1: the best little guy. You know it is. I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I mean, do we care about was

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Speaker 1: he was? He the best player, not the best little guy.

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Speaker 1: I don't care that he was little? Do we give it?

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Speaker 1: Best Shout is a five ft nine quarterback. He's the

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Speaker 1: that's an invalid argument, no sense at all. You know,

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Speaker 1: Clay Matthews. He was a really good player for a

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Speaker 1: And I think he's proven that year after year to

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame Committee, because he really hasn't gotten

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Speaker 1: that far. Now, this year's group here the guys that

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Speaker 1: they voted on, where Jared Allen, Ronde, Barber, Tony BASSELLI.

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Speaker 1: The results haven't come out yet, right, No, they won't.

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Speaker 1: They won't come out until February six. They'll now said it.

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Speaker 1: So it's Jared Allen Ronde, who's the first time guy? Ronde,

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Speaker 1: Barber I think is a He's not a first time guy.

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Speaker 1: He's been out there before. Tony Basselly Leroy Butler, Alan Fannica,

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Speaker 1: so I was asked today in my live chat, who

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Speaker 1: guys that you would have supported? Who would do it? Uh?

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Speaker 1: To me, it was to do it this way, like

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Speaker 1: down the list and say, yeah, your name, because I

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Speaker 1: the middle and then the other ones are up for discussion.

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Speaker 1: Jared Allen, So, my thoughts with Alan are is he

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Speaker 1: better than Kevin Green? Similar? I mean, I think they're

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Speaker 1: Green third all time and sacks. I thought Alan was

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Speaker 1: and it took Green. Green didn't get in for like

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Speaker 1: eight years. No, And I don't think Green's slammed ug.

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Speaker 1: I mean, no offense, r ap, all that good stuff.

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Speaker 1: But he's not an obvious one. Um. And really I

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Speaker 1: like to look at what was Alan like for his day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a pro bowler, of course, but was he better

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Speaker 1: than Pepper's Freeeney. You know, there's a lot of good

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Speaker 1: say no, Yeah, I agree, Um, he has good numbers.

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Speaker 1: many slam dunks, there's a couple of slam dunks. Because

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Speaker 1: Manning is a slam dunk. Charles Woodson's a slam dunk.

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Speaker 1: I think Calvin is too. But I know I'm like

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Speaker 1: to others disagree with that. I think he's not necessarily

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Speaker 1: list because he only played eight years. I know that's

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Speaker 1: the only negative against him. But it wasn't like five

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Speaker 1: or six like Terrell Davis or Basselli's the bassell He's

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Speaker 1: the one. They're like. There's two offensive alignment on the

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Speaker 1: list this year, Fanica and Bossely, and they both been

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Speaker 1: up for a while now. They both been up for

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Speaker 1: a while. Bosselli played, if memory serves right, like ninety

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Speaker 1: career games. I think he actually heard this yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: think he played over barely. Yeah, it was it was

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Speaker 1: Fannica played. Yeah, that would have been the point. I

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Speaker 1: would have hammered home this year with like, look this

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Speaker 1: guy played. Yes, he was very good for for six years,

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Speaker 1: heard this last year and I wasn't aware of this.

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Speaker 1: on Dale met Uh. He mentioned um Philip Rivers in

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Speaker 1: James and I both got hired with the Browns the

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Speaker 1: same year. And he grew up in Atlanta. I grew

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Speaker 1: up in Pittsburgh. And that was Ben's rookie year. So

425
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Speaker 1: in our free time, we had nowhere to go home,

426
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Speaker 1: our our wives and girlfriends and families were back at

427
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Speaker 1: the other city. We just hang out and get ice

428
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Speaker 1: cream from downstairs and watch Michael Vick and Ben. So

429
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Speaker 1: I watched like every snap of him that year. He

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Speaker 1: was darn I'd take him over Lamar. And it's my

431
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Speaker 1: point is he was just as dynamic as he was.

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Speaker 1: A better past than he was, a better pastor than

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Speaker 1: the is. He had that quick snap, dart throw release

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Speaker 1: on the run or not very his his at least

435
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Speaker 1: when he was in his prime, was very much like

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Yes, and he's not as accurate as Rogers is,

437
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Speaker 1: but I mean he could throw the football. We overlapped

438
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Speaker 1: in the Big East too. When I was a pit

439
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: we played against him, and you see him in persons

440
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: like whoa you know. I mean he was a wild player.

441
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: And Lamar is too. But if Vic was in the

442
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Speaker 1: same spot that the Ravens are, I think he'd be

443
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Speaker 1: more successful. Again, some of his prime years were taken away.

444
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: He did it was right right, I'm up backing him up.

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Speaker 1: But number eight Steve McNair mhm. I mean he got

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Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl but didn't win. He could be

447
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Speaker 1: my quarterback any day of the week. I mean, toughest

448
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Speaker 1: could be. Um. I don't we'll talk much about him.

449
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: I don't fee'll be even an option for the Steelers.

450
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Speaker 1: But North Dakota States trade Lance really gets reminded. Is

451
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Speaker 1: gets compared to McNair and I went and watched highlights

452
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Speaker 1: of the Near Day and he's a lot of like that.

453
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Speaker 1: That square build, thick run through tackles, power, arm, tough guy.

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Speaker 1: You know. So he'll be kicked around. Number seven Dan

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Speaker 1: Fouts cool. Yeah, I bet I'd have him higher. I

456
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Speaker 1: don't know who the six are off top of my head,

457
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: but he was way ahead of his time. I mean

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Speaker 1: as much as a through. I think he won three

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Speaker 1: playoff games in his career. I don't doubt that. I

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Speaker 1: mean I pushed for Corey l for the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: I think he won three playoff games. Fouts is great, though, Uh.

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Speaker 1: Number six is Warren Moon. Moon's even better. Similar for

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Speaker 1: through for a lot of yards, but never There aren't

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Speaker 1: many better passers in the history of the league. The

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Speaker 1: Warren Moon. His best years were in Canada. Number five

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Speaker 1: years Philip Rivers. You have to take Rivers behind Moon.

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Speaker 1: Foults first, Rivers. Who's best charger quarterback ever? Maybe Breeze. Yeah,

468
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Speaker 1: I think Rivers is really strong. But I'd rather play

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Speaker 1: against Rivers than Moon. Yeah, me too. You know Moon

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Speaker 1: is great. H Number four fran Tarknden a little before

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Speaker 1: my time, but he was also a little ahead of

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Speaker 1: his time in terms of his running and scrambling. And

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Speaker 1: do you know the story I did not put you

474
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Speaker 1: on the spot. Why did he become a giant and

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Speaker 1: then go back to the vikings that I don't know

476
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Speaker 1: why that ever happened? Because he was took them to

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Speaker 1: super Bowls. Yeah, I know that story. Rank compares him

478
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Speaker 1: to a nineteen seventies version of Russell Wilson. Yeah that

479
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, yeah, play extender a little undersize. I

480
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Speaker 1: don't know if I would have this guy this high

481
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: three he has Randall Cunningham, I wouldn't either. I'd rather

482
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Speaker 1: Vick than Cunningham. I mean, in terms of pure athletes,

483
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: Cunningham's highlight table blow people away if they've never seen it.

484
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Speaker 1: But he's not nearly as consistent as Fouts or Rivers

485
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Speaker 1: or Yeah, I agree. Yeah, who was the guy who

486
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Speaker 1: was just missed? He said, I but Ken Anderson, maybe

487
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: they're very He couldn't be more different, But there's not

488
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Speaker 1: the Cunningham didn't how many games that even start. He

489
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Speaker 1: started for a while and they had a great defense.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was that was what carried that team,

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Speaker 1: I mean defense. Yeah, it was pretty cool though. He

492
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: was making granted countertops or something and came back and

493
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: brought the Vikings. Remember that stand he was out of

494
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: the league or whatever. Yeah, super, Yeah, that was he

495
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Speaker 1: was that guy. Gary Anderson mr Field first one all year,

496
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Speaker 1: another loaded team, number two Jim Kelly. Yeah, I guess

497
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Speaker 1: you go to four in a row. Yeah, don't win one. Yeah,

498
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: if you're throwing at a higher rate than everyone else

499
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Speaker 1: in the league at that point too. Yeah, that's hard

500
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Speaker 1: to argue. It's the second most famous man from Claring

501
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: County and number one Damn Marino. He stands alone. Yeah,

502
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Speaker 1: I can. I mean this is gonna sound pit Homer

503
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Speaker 1: is and I don't mean it too, but I think

504
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Speaker 1: he might be the most underrated quarterback all time because

505
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Speaker 1: of that one thing. He threw for five thousand yards

506
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Speaker 1: in Yeah, his numbers are ridiculous when nobody in in

507
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Speaker 1: touchdown passes, nobody else was even like at that time.

508
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Speaker 1: If you threw for thirty yards and thirty touchdowns, you

509
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Speaker 1: had an outstanding year. You were off some right. And

510
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: people will say, well, the Marx brothers are really good,

511
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: were they They're not good. Nobody's talking about them for

512
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Nobody's talking about anybody off of

513
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: that defense for the Hall of Fame. Oh, I mean

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00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: I say this all the time, Like if Marino would

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Speaker 1: have even played in like the Peyton Manning era, you know,

516
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Speaker 1: the recent era, hit of all the hit of all

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Speaker 1: the records, there wasn't a better passer, and they could

518
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Speaker 1: hit him in the face and beat up his receivers,

519
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: and you know, the rules were different. Nobody could throw

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Speaker 1: the ball like Danny, and you know he had everything

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Speaker 1: else to pocket, movement, toughness, And if I'm picking, I

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Speaker 1: say it's all the time because I usually I say

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Speaker 1: Rogers would be my guy. But if we're putting all

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame quarterbacks on the on the schoolyard

525
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Speaker 1: and we get to pick up teams, I think their

526
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Speaker 1: team's gonna be on my team more often than not. Yeah,

527
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Speaker 1: really good and just outstanding career. You never wanted to

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Speaker 1: play against the Dan Marino team. No, Like without respect

529
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: to like Drew Brees. I'll take Marino over him every

530
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Speaker 1: day of the week, no doubt, not even close. Right,

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Speaker 1: You don't realize to how Marino was And yeah, right right,

532
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Speaker 1: just not easy is actually, but just a great player

533
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Speaker 1: anybody else who didn't make that list that you would

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Speaker 1: think of that there's gotta be a million best quarterback

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Speaker 1: to never win a Super Bowl. Um m hmm. This

536
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: is some good, good good radio here. Yeah. Absolutely don't

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Speaker 1: give me Ryan Fitzpatrick. I don't know. I mean, there's

538
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Speaker 1: gotta be more names that we're not thinking of. I'm

539
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: sure there's some play guys playing now that's might someday.

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00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: You know, that's too early to write the book on. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm scanning and I don't look at any of the

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Speaker 1: guys playing today though, the ones who haven't won a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl yet, who've been in the league for like

544
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Speaker 1: more than five years really young. Yes, st Stafford doesn't

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Speaker 1: get on that list. Um, Matt Ryan would be on

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Speaker 1: My Matt Ryan wouldn't get on that list. Date. You

547
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,239
Speaker 1: love my Matt Ryan more than I do. I just

548
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: I see a guy him up. When we were talking

549
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: about Rivers Hall of Fame, because if you put Rivers in,

550
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: I think Rivers is clearly above Ryan. But they're both

551
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: gonna be really and Stafford will get on this conversation too,

552
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: of really high on the all time yardagely maybe to me.

553
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: To me, it's kind of watered down the just you

554
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: gotta be. You gotta do something really special if you're

555
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: gonna get in off of a Dome team. I'm sorry, yeah,

556
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: because you played perfect weather for most of your career.

557
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: We had the same conversation on my podcast today about

558
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Speaker 1: Breeze because Rivers, you know, retired, which led us to

559
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: Breeze and their connection with the Chargers and the same year.

560
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Speaker 1: And I got some outcry for it because I said,

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Speaker 1: I love Drew Brees. He's obviously a Hall of Famer,

562
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: but he's like my last Tier one quarterback, you know,

563
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: like I could name you a ten. I'll take over

564
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Speaker 1: Drew Brees, and a lot of it's because of where

565
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Speaker 1: he played, and you know, never had to deal with

566
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Speaker 1: weather and a great player, obvious Hall of Famer, but

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Speaker 1: I'm taking Reno and Young even like Steve Young, I'll

568
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: take over on Well, I've got the the the Pro

569
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: Football Reference Hall of Fame monitor here, and I called

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00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: out the quarterbacks. Uh, the average quarterback is a score

571
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Speaker 1: of one on one on this. Rivers comes in at

572
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Speaker 1: nineties seven point six four. So the average Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame quarterback is above that. That's not the worst Hall

574
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Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback. You don't know, he's just above that.

575
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Speaker 1: The worst Hall of Fame quarterback. Let me go down

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Speaker 1: to UM the worst Hall of Fame, which is really

577
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Speaker 1: like being the that's the girl the beauty pageant. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jim Kelly scores a fifty nine point one

579
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Speaker 1: on this rating. Jim Kelly's an obvious Hall of Famer

580
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: and it is much better than Rivers, Troy Aikman five.

581
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Speaker 1: He doesn't throw for numbers. But yeah, but you didn't

582
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: want to play against him. He dropped. Uh, those are

583
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: the Kellys, the lowest rated Hall of Fame quarterback on

584
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: which is nuts. So by this standard of a to

585
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: kick one out, he would be the one that got

586
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: the boot is just crazy. So you throw out, you

587
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: throw out Kelly. And I think too much is I

588
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: think too much is put on the yardage and touchdown

589
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: numbers because they didn't that didn't happen. Like Len Dawson

590
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: is obvious Hall of Famer. He threw for UM. I mean,

591
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: inflation has changed twenty eight thousand yards and two hundred

592
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: thirty nine touchdowns in his career, and he threw a

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Speaker 1: hundred eighty three interceptions. He wouldn't even be an average

594
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Speaker 1: quarterback today. No, not even close. Yeah, I mean it's

595
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: like inflation. I mean, what a passing yard is worth

596
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: now compared to what it was worth. The nine seventy

597
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: is night and dead. I mean you mentioned Bob Greasy.

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Speaker 1: Bob Greasy is rated just ahead of him. We're in

599
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: ahead between Dawson and Greasy is Warren Moon. And there's

600
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: so different there. The numbers couldn't be any different. Greasy

601
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: through a hundred nine touchdown passes in his career, a

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00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: hundred seventy two interceptions played thirteen years. I mean his

603
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: when I didn't realize until recently. And I'm a little

604
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: behind the times on because you mentioned it a year

605
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Speaker 1: or two ago Bradshaw's T D T interceptions this right, Like,

606
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how many interceptions were thrown back then

607
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: compared to now. Bradshaw through two and twelve touchdowns and

608
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: two interceptions. Now, not everybody played that way. Like that's

609
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Speaker 1: what said Ken Anderson apart is Anderson didn't throw a

610
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: bunch of interor somethings because he wasn't throwing a ball

611
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: down the field like these other guys. Anderson through in

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Speaker 1: his career a hundred ninety seven touchdown passes but only

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00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: ninety four interceptions, which today isn't that great. Two to one. Fine,

614
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Speaker 1: But if you look at his numbers compared to Bradshaw,

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Speaker 1: Bradshaw Bradshaw through for two seven thousand nine yards, two

616
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Speaker 1: twelve touchdowns, two interceptions. Anderson was thirty two thousand, eight

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Speaker 1: hundred thirty eight yards hundred ninety seven touchdowns And I'm

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00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: sorry it was a hundred and sixty interceptions. But so

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Speaker 1: the numbers are almost identical. They played Nerson played six,

620
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: Brado three, so they played the same period against the

621
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Speaker 1: same people in the same division, except Bradshaw didn't have

622
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Speaker 1: to play Steelers defensive internet. So it brings me to

623
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Speaker 1: a couple of things like That's why I kept bringing

624
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: up Greasy, because I always think of Greasy is just

625
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: pure game. Manager Shula's teams are always bought in the

626
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Speaker 1: league and turnovers, hand theball to Zonka and kick and

627
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 1: Morris and make throws when you have to. You know,

628
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: a good player. I'm not ripping on Bob Greasy. I

629
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Speaker 1: don't know that much about Bob Greasy, but do you

630
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Speaker 1: think I mean what I'm going to the interceptions is

631
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Speaker 1: there was that old saying like when we were kids, well,

632
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Speaker 1: when you throw the ball, two out of three things

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Speaker 1: are bad. Now you know what, Dan Dann found career interceptions,

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Speaker 1: He had two touchdown passes and he was a mad bomber,

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Speaker 1: right right, Um, that just doesn't happen though, Uh, you know,

636
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know. I mean, obviously, the passing

637
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: game has changed more than probably any facet of football

638
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: decade by decade. I mean, Peyton Peyton Manning has five

639
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: thirty nine career touchdown passes, two and fifty one interceptions,

640
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: which is really good. But he played a good jolliant

641
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, seventeen years. Look at Aaron Rodgers. By chance,

642
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: he's still only throwing eighty nine interceptions in his keeping

643
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: nine hasn't top the hunt. Brady has a hundred career interceptions,

644
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: and Brady takes good care of the fore right right.

645
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: You know that's that's the thing. You know, what's Rogers ratio.

646
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: I'm just curious because it's off the charts. He's throwing

647
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: four d twelve touchdown passes and eighty nine interceptions ratio.

648
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: For those wondering, Uh, Roethlisberger has three nine six career

649
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: touchdown passes and two hundred one interceptions. Yeah, he's three

650
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: more than that. He's right there with you know, he

651
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: sees basically two to one. That's where Manning was. Yeah,

652
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: that's where all the good ones are at. You know,

653
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: even John Elway now always career took him back to

654
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: eighty three, so he was still in that period. But

655
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Speaker 1: three hundred touchdown passes, two hundred twenty six inter set options,

656
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: it's a lot, so a lot of picks. Yeah, I

657
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: didn't realize how many picks there were in the seventies

658
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: and eighties per pass. And the attempts were way down

659
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: back then too. Yeah they didn't, they just didn't. I

660
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: remember noting this a couple of years ago that Roethlisberger

661
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 1: averaged in his career his average in his career more

662
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: completions per game than Bradshaw did attempts. Wow, and bet

663
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: at policing percentage is better. Everything's better. He's better across

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00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: the board. But the numbers it is apples to apples

665
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: or apples to origins, you know, So I mean to compare,

666
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: for example, if you look at this list, he got

667
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: Ryan and then right above him his bart Star. Yeah,

668
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: there's nothing there. I mean bart Star threw a hundred

669
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: and fifty two touchdown passes and a d interceptions in

670
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: his career. Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't that far off that list, right,

671
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: That's all you need. I mean, if you if you know,

672
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you if you look at you

673
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: can't go. You can't just go buy yards and things

674
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: like that. You know, for for a while, any test

675
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: of Verdi was not was in the top ten until

676
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: Carry Collins was higher at least when he retired. You

677
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean, they're average players, have played alone

678
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: time in a good era, and they'll go right past them.

679
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's gonna touch first five years of production.

680
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: Homes O. Mahomes is gonna blow all the numbers away

681
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: because the game has changed so much. You can't you

682
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: can't hit receivers anymore. That's that was a game change,

683
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, to me, that's been the biggest change in

684
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: the game. You look at Roethlisberger's numbers, right, but look

685
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: at Roethlisberger's numbers prey and then post and it's probably

686
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: true for Manning and that's true for everybody. The passing

687
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: took off at that point because receivers didn't have to

688
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: worry about catching a ball over the middle. Anyone getting

689
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: right right. I mean, there was a true to me,

690
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: was every bit as important as well. You can't you

691
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: can't mug him with the line of scrimmage. Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

692
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: And I do think the quarterback thing too. I mean,

693
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: growing up as a kid, you'd watch those guys get

694
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: hitting the head time and time again. You know, you

695
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: know that they they outlawed, you know, being able to

696
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: hit a guy in the knees and there strike zone

697
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: for the quarterback now and right, it's better for the game.

698
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: And we still have injuries, and we just saw the

699
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: last two m v P s leave games with concussions

700
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: last week. But it's still rare. And they're I'm an

701
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: old school Lambert type of guy, and don't put a

702
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: dress on mentality. But it's better, I mean, and oh,

703
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: by the way, it keeps these people safer. People want

704
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: to see people want to see bad. People want to

705
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: see the quarterbacks. But the holding call would wouldn't break

706
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Speaker 1: my heart. Once in a while they can call that

707
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: he is Matt Williamson. I'm dale Lali, you're listening to

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Speaker 1: the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We're gonna take

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Speaker 1: a break. We'll be back right after this. Your tunes

710
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: about drive on your home of the Black and Goal

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. Doo do Doo doo doo doooooooo include

712
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: include include include we are back. I'm Dale Lally here

713
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: with Matt Williamson and Matt there. I keep seeing on

714
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: social media people saying Ben Roethlisberger needs to retire. But

715
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger should retire. The Steelers should do this, The

716
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: Steelers should do that. Today I saw and I respect

717
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: his work. Mike de Coursey put out thing from Sporting News.

718
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: Steelers need to cut Ben Roethlisberger so that they can

719
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: sign Bud Dupree. If it were that simple, there's more

720
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: to this. It doesn't work that way. Um, just releasing

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Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger now means because first of all, the Steelers

722
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: released Devil and Hodges earlier this week off their off

723
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: their practice squad. Josh Dobbs is a free agent. Not

724
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: that that even factors into the I hear um, and

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Speaker 1: Roethlisberger is gonna He's gonna cost you nineteen million dollars

726
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: to have him on your roster everybody focused on that

727
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: forty two point when to five million dollars. That doesn't matter.

728
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: That cost doesn't matter for all of you that make

729
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: this decision. It's Ben verse nineteen million. It's Ben Roethlisberger

730
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: worth nineteen million dollars on your roster. And I think

731
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: it's a discussion, you know what I mean, They could

732
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: sure use nineteen million, and if that would keep Butt around,

733
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: that's great. On the start. That's a pretty big if, though,

734
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: because they're gonna make other moves too, when they're gonna

735
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: face and we'll talk with that a lot. But then

736
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: you're creating other holes, including starting quarterbacks starting quarterback yet,

737
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: because if you release, if you release Ben Roethlisberger to

738
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: just a sign back Bud Dupree, it's not a one

739
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: for one, it's not a one for one swap because

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Speaker 1: you now need, in my opinion, a veteran backup quarterback

741
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Speaker 1: to not only not only back up Mason. You're not

742
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: gonna hand this starting job to Mason Rudolph. See that's

743
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: the thing. Like if I think Mason has come a

744
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: long way, but we've seen one game, right, you know,

745
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: like again and could he be yes, But you're not

746
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Speaker 1: gonna They're not gonna hand it to him. They're not

747
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: gonna say, Mason, you're our guy. They're gonna they would

748
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: have to bring in either a competition for him or

749
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: at the very least a veteran backup who would be

750
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: there for him to bounce stuff off of. And you

751
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: don't have the second or third pick in the draft

752
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: where you're gonna guarantee yourself a younggo with that route

753
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: and win with defense and rookies and build a running game,

754
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, And they're not. They're not going to be

755
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: in the business of trading up this year either, in

756
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: my opinion, because they don't. They have too many needs

757
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: and they need to build that nest around. Yeah, you

758
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: can't just bring a rookie quarterback into this with no

759
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: offensive line to say, here, have at it. That's what Phil,

760
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: that's what Cincinnati did. That work out for them. Absolutely,

761
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: there's some guys that might be available that I would

762
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: be interested in, you know, is part two of that equation,

763
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: including a Wentz, a Donald. They're gonna cost you a pick,

764
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Speaker 1: but they're gonna cost you a pick. Rivers retired, so

765
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, one of those guys. They're also

766
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: going to cost you money against your cap, which is

767
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: in addition to the money that you already you know,

768
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Speaker 1: you've you've spent, you spent your nineteen million dollars on

769
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: dupre exactly. Yeah, I mean I think next year is

770
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: the time to do it. There are some free agents

771
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: of interest that you know, I really like Jacoby Brissett.

772
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the list now. I mean, Andy Dalton

773
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: doesn't do it for me. Cam Newton doesn't do it

774
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: for me. Mitch Rabisky doesn't do it for me. And folks,

775
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: these guys don't play for free, right. I kind of

776
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: like Winston, you know, considering I don't think he's gonna

777
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: make a time, but he's not. He's not gonna he's

778
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: not gonna sign for the one point to five million

779
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: that he got this year. Because here's the thing last year,

780
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: and that was that's something that Mike brought up when

781
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: I was going back and forth with him on Twitter.

782
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: Last year was was the outlier in the quarterback market

783
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: because there was such a it was we talked about

784
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: it all last offseason. Hunt. You just don't see seven

785
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: or eight starting quality quarterbacks hit the open market on

786
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: a regular chairs than quarterbacks this year there was less

787
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: chairs than quarterbacks and a couple of people. So you're

788
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: gonna be bidding against Washington. You're gonna be getting bidding

789
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: against New Orleans, New England, the Colts, all these teams

790
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: that need quarterbacks. These guys aren't signing for nothing. No

791
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: they're not. And and you're not gonna be willing if

792
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: you really think that you need to bring in a

793
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: quarterback to either compete with or start over Rudolph. You're

794
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: not gonna wait to sign the last guy standing because

795
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: you might get left without one, and it's the least

796
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: desirable one, and it's the one nobody else wanted, which

797
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: is what happened to Newton this year, and he performed

798
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: like a quarterback that nobody would have wanted to see.

799
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if this gets you, bud Dupre, but

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Speaker 1: the one thing I would I would be interested or

801
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: highly entertained or would try to work is Ben Leaves.

802
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: I offer the Jets a second and fifth for Donald,

803
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: who's cheap for this year, and then you see where

804
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: you know your money to franchise him or extend him

805
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: next year. But he hasn't been great, I mean, but

806
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: at least he could be better than Rudolph. Now maybe

807
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: Ben's successor maybe a starter here for the next eight years,

808
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: but he's gonna cost you a pain. I don't know

809
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: that he's hand I don't know right now with given

810
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: his state of mind and what I've seen that he's

811
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: obviously better than Rudolph I do. I know there's more

812
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: to work with if you well the more to work with,

813
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: but we haven't seen it come to fruition. If you

814
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: look at his numbers and he's had plenty of opportunities. Yes, yes,

815
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: it's with a bad franchise. He doesn't have great tape.

816
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: Maybe that gets better, but he's still a guy that

817
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: throws the throws the ball into bad situations. It makes

818
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: bad decisions. I mean, that's why I'll test drive him

819
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: for a year. See I I'd rather have the second

820
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: round pick. I'd rather have Roethlisberger in the second round

821
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: pick and go with it. I know what Roethlisberger is.

822
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: I know that if I get because that second round

823
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: pick could be running back. Oh yeah, right right, it's

824
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: gonna be something to help bad yeah, or your your

825
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: the future of your franchise and a young guy that's

826
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: cost controlled for the next four maybe five years, right,

827
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: you know, right, I hear you. I mean it might

828
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Speaker 1: be your next pouncy. I mean it might be your

829
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: next center or right, I mean, think about this year's draft. Okay,

830
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: Claypool is a second round pick. High Smith was your three,

831
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: and in the fourth you got thoughts and yeah, okay,

832
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: the guys all hit. So if your first three picks

833
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: this year all hit for you, okay, Okay, again, I'm

834
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: not necessarily on the train of push Ben out of

835
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: town that he's not worth you know, Ben verse nineteen millions.

836
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: What's on the scale right now? I think I still

837
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: lean towards Ben. But the Donald thing at least it

838
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: kills two birds, though, I mean it does. But you're

839
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: also then going to have to pick up that fift

840
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: year option as soon as you don't. You don't have

841
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: the choice because that has to be immediate, because that

842
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: would be this spring that you have to pick up

843
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: that fift yeer option and you hope you have enough.

844
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, this year, here here's the

845
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: kicker on that. Under the new cb A, when you

846
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: pick up that fift year option, you used to be

847
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: able to rescind that you can't anymore. It's guaranteed. It's

848
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: guaranteed money. So you you're guaranteeing him the average pay

849
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: of the of the top third through because he hasn't

850
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: made a Pro Bowl quarterbacks number three through twenty, So

851
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna be guaranteed locked into Sam next year

852
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: at probably twenty plus million dollars. Is that where you

853
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: want to be? And you have, you know, a whole

854
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: season to see what he But if he stinks you're

855
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: still stuck with him, then you find you haven't filed.

856
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: You haven't filled fix your problem at all. No, I

857
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: hear you. I don't see a great solution because even

858
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: a year from now, it's not gonna be, Oh, we

859
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: get the first pick in the draft, We're gonna take

860
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: Lawrence and it's gonna be. Here's the difference though, to

861
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: me next year, because you know you're potentially losing guys

862
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: like Bud Dupree or Camps. You're gonna you're gonna lose

863
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: some of these guys. Filer, jupri Juju, Hilton, Connor, Umi,

864
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: the Wave, if he decides to play again, it's gonna

865
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: get a decent contract for somebody. You're gonna you're gonna

866
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: get a ridiculous amount of compics next year. Yeah, yeah,

867
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 1: I mean you're gonna and not just you know, fifth

868
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: and six rounders thirds and you might get two or

869
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: three third round draft com picks. You might get to

870
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: two thirds and a fourth. Now you've got the ammunition

871
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: if you want to move up to get a quarterback,

872
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: you can do so, depending where you're pick in the

873
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: first round and what the class looks like and all

874
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: those things. I mean possibly, but you you've got the

875
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: you've got the tools to go get it. And by

876
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: the way, a bunch of cap space. The cap space

877
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: is the key to both those because I do not

878
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: expect if Ben Roethlisberger is back this year, I don't

879
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: expect him to be costing them or counting forty forty

880
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: two million dollars against their cap. No. I think they

881
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: pushed some of that into next year. And that's not

882
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: quote unquote kicking the can down the road at the

883
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: cost of you. They've got the cast, the salary, cap

884
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: space to do that in the future. But does any

885
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: of that get us, Bud, I mean, I guess there

886
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: are two different conversations. I think is your original point

887
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: cutting Ben and saving nineteen verse retaining Bud are two

888
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: different conversations to me, and you don't have to do one.

889
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 1: One does not mean that you do the other because

890
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: and one doesn't ensure that you could do the right.

891
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: You know, It's just it just doesn't you know, what

892
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: if Bud doesn't want to play here? What if Bud

893
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: once it goes, you know, Bud? What if Bud gets

894
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: on the open Bud wants to be a free agent,

895
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: you know he because then he's gone. Then he's gone

896
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: because somebody's gonna offer from twenty million dollars a year.

897
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and he should and he'll take it

898
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: in right to be crazy not to. Here's the question,

899
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: and I bet there's mixed feelings that our audience it

900
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: could Bud aside. If Bud's gone, Juju's gone. Can I

901
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: use nineteen million to get better at the quarterback position

902
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: this year? Probably not? I don't know. I mean, yeah,

903
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: I mean I might be able to take nineteen million

904
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: and draft picks and get Stafford. You know what I mean?

905
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: I mean is I don't know if that's better for

906
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: your long term future though I think Ben. I think

907
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: Staffords a better quarterback than Ben right now. But is

908
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: Stafford's money plus the first round pick. They're not gonna

909
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: give them to you. You're not gonna say, right or

910
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: Jimmy or not ye Jimmy Glo stinks, right, I mean,

911
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure you could get Bridgewater. I'm sure you give

912
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: me right, you can get you can get somebody else's garbage, right.

913
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: I have no interest in those guys. Yeah, I mean

914
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of names. If you're in on

915
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: Darnald or Wentz, I could understand it. But they come

916
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: with very obvious flaws. Yeah. I mean you're buying low

917
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: for a reason. Their tape is bad. Their tape is bad.

918
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean you had to love them coming out of school,

919
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: and I can see that. I mean, they might look

920
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: at Darnald and be like, if I get my hands

921
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 1: on him, I can fix them. Or Wentz the boy

922
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: if you make better, better better, be sure, right, right,

923
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: And you're not gonna have the resources to make life

924
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: is much easier on them, right his lines and be

925
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: okay he's running games, and be okay. They're not gonna

926
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: be great. It's interesting, Yeah, he is. Matt Williamson. I'm

927
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: Dale Lilly. You're listening to the drive here on Steelers

928
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: Nation Radio. We're gonna take a break. We'll be back

929
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: right after this with the Fantasy Football Focus. He's the

930
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson, home of the

931
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: Black and Old Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm Bail

932
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: Loll here with Matt which in his time for the

933
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 1: Fantasy Folk Football Focus and uh, looking at the news

934
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: and notes from the teams that are still alive. Uh.

935
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes took reps apparently all the reps on Wednesday

936
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs. But that does not mean that he

937
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: is out of the concussion protocol or even cleared to

938
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: play on Sunday. Uh. It's just one of the steps

939
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: that you have to take to get injury that everyone

940
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: will forget about. Um. But yeah, it's not like, oh,

941
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: he's out of the woods. I mean, just because he's

942
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: really good and he's Patrick Mahomes doesn't mean he's any

943
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: different than Vince McDonald coming out of the concussion prodit

944
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: call or whoever. Speaking of which, there was a national

945
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: radio host who said that the NFL should consider postponing

946
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: the a f C Championship until Patrick Mahomes is ready

947
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: to play. Are you out of your mind? Come on, man,

948
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: this is a guy that gets paid all kinds of

949
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: my people actually pay attention to this moron, and he

950
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: says stuff like that, that's never gonna happen. It's ridiculous, right,

951
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean, they could be out ten starters, they're ten

952
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: best guys. It doesn't matter. Josh Allen could be heard

953
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: the Steelers. The Steelers played the what seventy seven a

954
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: f C championship game without their top three running backs

955
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: or whatever. They say, Hey, let's postpone the game, so

956
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: Franco and Rocky are back. I think like Aaron Donnald

957
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: with fulls, right, Hey, let's play it. Let's play March

958
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: when these guys are healthy. Come on, that's ridiculoudiculous. But

959
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I bet he plays. But we don't know

960
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: that we have. It's not it's have a setback tonight

961
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: or tomorrow. You know. That's the thing that the as

962
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: part of the concussion protocol, having a non contact athletic workout, well,

963
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: that was what that's what this is for a quarterback.

964
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: There's never any you're not going to hit the quarterback

965
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: in practice. So he's out there running around a little bit. Tomorrow.

966
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: We'll see how he feels. He could coming. He could

967
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: show up with it with a headache, he could show

968
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: up with blurred vision. It could be any number of

969
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: of of things that happened tomorrow because of this workout today.

970
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: The reports after the game not that he could have

971
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: went back in. We're pretty favorable that it wasn't a

972
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: quote bad one. You know, he's he's very loosen it

973
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: or whatever. I hate talking medical stuff, but it doesn't

974
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: mean that doesn't meanything. Yeah, I mean there's you know,

975
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: concussions are just nobody knows. But I still be at

976
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: least in terms of, you know, game planning for that game.

977
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna practice as though he's the starter, and he's

978
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: gonna get reps against the Bill's defense scout team and

979
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. So yeah, we'll see. Um, it's

980
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: almost like COVID. You could have a setback and he's

981
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: absolutely Yeah. I don't know if you saw this one,

982
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: but A. J. Brown had surgery on both knees and

983
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 1: that that adds up. You know, he he didn't practice

984
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: a lot of Wednesdays still as a dominant player, but

985
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: he reminds me of Julio more and more every time

986
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: I watch him. I mean, good and bad Yeah, he

987
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: always has a lower some lower legs something or other.

988
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: You know, he's always questionable every week. But he is

989
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: a full grown man in a total stud I don't

990
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: know if he saw this one. Zack Moss had tight

991
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: rope ankle surgery. I saw the headline. I had no

992
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: idea what that meant. I don't know what it is either,

993
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: but it was to treat his high ankle sprain. Is

994
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: a new strategy because it must be high ankle sprains

995
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: are it's a it's a broken it's a broken bone

996
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: in your in your leg essentially. I've actually had but

997
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: one to each each ankle, and I'm under the This

998
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: is more of a fantasy thing, like, well Michael Thomas

999
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: got that early high ankle sprain. Write him off, you

1000
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like sell them and why you can,

1001
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: or if he's coming back, dump him, he's gonna have

1002
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, he wasn't the same all year, right,

1003
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean they'll we probably find next year. But when

1004
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: you hear high ankle sprain, get rid of your For

1005
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: a guy that runs for receivers, yeah, absolutely get rid

1006
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: of them. It's a bad injury. Um, we can talk

1007
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: about this year because we didn't do a show. But

1008
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: the Ravens have waived mark Ingram. Yeah, right right, it

1009
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: seems I guess it's just a foregone conclusion. I imagine

1010
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: he'll be in the league next year, though, and I'd

1011
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: consider him if I were the Steelers. Here's the thing

1012
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: about him now, because he was released, doesn't count against her,

1013
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: doesn't count against your compics. Yeah, makes those makes those

1014
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: guys a little more attractive, save them five million dollars

1015
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: against their captains. He's not gonna get anything close to

1016
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: the last couple years. Yeah, I'm talking about sign him

1017
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: at like league minimum for a year and drafting somebody else.

1018
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: Um John always said that he remains high on Drew

1019
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: lock but new GM George Patton will continue to look

1020
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: to fill that spot. If we don't think Drew is

1021
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: the guy, I guess that's what they should say. No

1022
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: way do they go into camp saying Drew's the guy though,

1023
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: You know that that shocked me. This year. They were

1024
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: all in on him, at least bringing in Andy Dalton

1025
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: type a little bit of cap space too. That's not

1026
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: the same as the bend backup conversation at all. You know,

1027
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: it's a young quarterback super young quarterback with a young offense.

1028
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he shows some signs, but I think they

1029
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: got to add somebody. Yeah, Um, Arthur Smith is going

1030
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: to call his own plays? Is the head coach in Atlanta?

1031
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: Always ever think that that's a good idea. Yeah, that

1032
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: always worries me. I hope he's smart enough to have

1033
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: somebody in the booth that he trusts for replays and

1034
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: fourth downd go for it or not, or some kind

1035
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: of game manager ordinator type guy, you know. But that's rough.

1036
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: That's what he does. That's a problem with those guys, though,

1037
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 1: Like that's what he does best. And if you're gonna

1038
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: take that off of him, he's not as valuable. But

1039
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: he's worth given as shot as a head coach. But

1040
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: not if you take his best asset away from him,

1041
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: you know. And it's hard to do both. Um. Antonio

1042
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: Brown's knee injury is not considered serious. Uh, it looks

1043
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: like he's going to play in the NFC Championship game.

1044
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: I really didn't do much and I killed our DFS line.

1045
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: He did, but he also got injured. But it's a

1046
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: big deal for them because Jarry Alexander is an elite

1047
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: corner but the others aren't, and he's not gonna follow probably,

1048
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: I guess I read today back in week seven was

1049
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: the last time he truly followed somebody? They don't even know.

1050
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: Would it be Godwin or Evans? But I'm sure Brady's

1051
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: just gonna look at whoever Alexander isn't covering. Let's take

1052
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: a look at some DFS bargains. Will pick our DFS lineup.

1053
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: This according to uh Renee Miller on Rhodo World. Um,

1054
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: she's looking at John Brown's been down that road, but

1055
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: I like the player. Yeah, she let's go to DraftKings

1056
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 1: since that's what we use. She's looking at Ronald Jones

1057
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: at M I know that's not real expensive, but doesn't

1058
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: for net seem like the guy there. Yeah, you never

1059
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: know from a Weekends running back, So we're gonna find

1060
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: besides Aaron Jones, the running backs are very frightfult Edwards

1061
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: Hilaire to actually tore up the Bills last time they played.

1062
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: He might play in this game. Looks like he's trending

1063
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: in that direction. Boy, I wonder what he costs, so

1064
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't trust him. Cole Beasley at he's a quality player. Yeah,

1065
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: I think both these games we high score. I don't

1066
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: think he caught a passo last week. I don't think

1067
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: he's fighting something. He's gonna have some kind of postseason surgery.

1068
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: I can promise you John Brown at and Alan Lazard at.

1069
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: Who do you prefer out of those two similar similar

1070
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: I probably prefer Lazard. You save a hundred bucks. He

1071
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: had a nice game last week. More I watch him,

1072
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: the more I the player too. I think they kind

1073
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: of told us. I mean I was one of them,

1074
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: really critical Green Bay of not getting another receiver. But

1075
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: maybe he's good, you know, and they knew that. Uh

1076
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: do you like Gronk at? This is on Fandel not really?

1077
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: He blocks a lot now, Yeah, I don't if you

1078
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: if you take Gronk you're hoping for a touchdown. Yes,

1079
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: and that's hit or miss. He had one. He has

1080
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: one catching two playoff games. I would you rather start

1081
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 1: like dar Dawson Knox? Yes? Absolutely, I might rather start great.

1082
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: In fact, I put together a line up the other day.

1083
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: I think I sent this to you, UM, and this

1084
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: is this is what I ended up with. UM. In

1085
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: this all fit undraft Kings Josh Allen at all the

1086
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are pretty appealing so that's great. I went with

1087
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones. He was the most expensive running back this week.

1088
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: He should be by far. Yeah, I think he'll be

1089
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: pretty Chalky is a bargain the number one running back

1090
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: on the board, right, I went with Leonard four Nett.

1091
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: I prefer Fournet over Jones. Here's where Here's where I

1092
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: really cleaned up. Davante Adams at eight thousand, Tyreek Hill

1093
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: at I mean, there's some stud receivers this weekend. Stephan

1094
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: Digs at seven thousand. Are they the top three? They

1095
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: got it pretty much. Yeah. I think you maybe get

1096
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: Evans or something like that in there. But I bet

1097
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: everyone's flex this week is gonna be a wide out.

1098
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: I had Dawson Knox at hundred as my tight end.

1099
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: He could get a zero, but I like the player

1100
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: and you're gonna throw a lot. I'm probably gonna adjustice,

1101
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: but I've got three hundred dollars remaining. I didn't spend it. Also,

1102
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: I probably will because I try to spend it all

1103
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: and if I don't, it's not the end of the world.

1104
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: Because right now I have Gronk is my flex. That's

1105
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: not bad. Again, you're really I'm hoping for a touchdown

1106
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: for a touchdown, right, and then I had the Bill's defense.

1107
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: All the defenses are horrible. Yeah, I'd almost rather start

1108
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: none if you because you might get you might get

1109
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: negative points. Yeah. I picked both these games, like thirty Neighborhood.

1110
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of points in But

1111
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: I mean you're just hoping for some sacks. You're hoping

1112
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: to pick something that something I've returned, you know for

1113
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: our Friday conversation. My vote might just be whatever the

1114
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: cheapest he is. I think that they were right there.

1115
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: Let me look and see here. They should be pretty

1116
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: The Bucks defense was the cheap is. Yeah, I mean

1117
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: it's a tough matchup, but they're all tough matchup. They shot.

1118
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: They at least did well against Rogers the first time.

1119
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: But I like this this. If I can get Alan

1120
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: Jones for Net, Davante Adams, Tyreek Hill stuff on digs.

1121
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: Is my top five guys or top six guys. I

1122
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: don't really don't care who other guys are. That makes sense.

1123
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: But if I get points out of those guys and

1124
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm in good shape. As you were saying last week,

1125
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: I think a lot of those those guys in those

1126
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: lineups quarterback aside. I think they'll probably be a quarter

1127
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: or quarter or quarter. The reason I went with with

1128
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: Alan it was because he runs more than the other guys.

1129
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: He definitely does, you know, so I think, And I

1130
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: bet my homes was a round it all this week. Yeah,

1131
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: I would not expect him to run at all. I

1132
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: don't think Brady's not going to run at all. Rogers might, Yeah,

1133
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: Brady might fall into the end zone. That would be

1134
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: the only way you're getting anything there. And Rogers runs

1135
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: two or three times a gaming weeks and certainly not

1136
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: the count on um. But I'm just thinking of what

1137
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: others will you know, who will be the popular lineups

1138
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: this week? I think Jones will be in a high

1139
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: high percentage. Yeah, I mean you almost you almost have

1140
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: to start YEA. Then it's probably probably will be for Net,

1141
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: probably because that's I mean, spending you know, eleven eight

1142
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: on your two running backs is not not crazy? Would

1143
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: you rather if they're the same price and you knew

1144
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: he was playing, would you play Edward Silaire over for Net? Potentially?

1145
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: And I'll have to look at that one. Um, then

1146
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: the money's gonna he's five thousand, so I could actually

1147
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: save he might play ten snaps. I could save three

1148
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: hundred more. You can go with with Williams hundred if

1149
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: you don'tn't. I don't think Dylan's playing. Yeah, I'm talking

1150
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: Dame and Williams. Oh I thought you're talking about because

1151
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: he ran the ball like crazy last week. Yeah, Um,

1152
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: what do you have not Damian Williams Williams for Darrell?

1153
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm dar but he had thirteen carries for seventy eight

1154
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: yards and caught four passes for sixteen yards. Do we

1155
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: know Leve Bells out? He just doesn't appear to be

1156
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: in the Yeah, because last week he got despite the

1157
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: fact that he got two carries for six yards and

1158
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: got two targets and didn't catch like, I think he's

1159
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: a wash there. Yeah, it wasn't. Fling would be in

1160
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: the league next year. Maybe not? Maybe not? Yeah, because

1161
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: if you bring leave bell But to the Steelers for

1162
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: two million a year, I don't know if I'd pay

1163
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: him two million. It's done much lately. Yeah, but I would.

1164
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean I would think about Edwards Hilaire there because

1165
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: it would save me three hundred bucks and then maybe

1166
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: I can upgrade that that flex position. It would be

1167
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: real nice if Edwards Hilaire doesn't play, Yeah, then you would.

1168
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: Then you jump on Williams, and you jump on Williams

1169
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: and you save another you save five hundreds, and then

1170
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: I can really mean you cut Gronk right for the

1171
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: best receiver, best receiver available, whatever, and get some good

1172
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: ones John Brown, or if I go that direction, let's

1173
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: say it. Let's say it is Let's say it is

1174
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: Damian Williams or Dary. I should get those guys, then

1175
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: I can cut Gronkowski is my flex and that gives

1176
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: me enough money to spend uh because even if Edwards

1177
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: all their plays, will he be the full time to

1178
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: see that would give me four thousand dollars. And four

1179
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: thousand dollars is the kind of the bottom part of

1180
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: what can get you a decent player. You just have

1181
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: to figure out which one would it be? McCole, Hardman,

1182
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: Maybe you Sammy wants becauesn't think is out? Um. I

1183
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: bet you could do better than Hartman, though, could be

1184
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: you don't like any of these guys though, does it

1185
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: get you a better type? Could be about a scantling

1186
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: you're rolling the dice for a big play, but that

1187
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: could happen. Could be Tanyana. Tanyan is pretty consistent. Yeah,

1188
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: I'd weigh rather Tanyan Gronko. Yeah, I was a hundred

1189
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: dollars short of getting Gronk or getting Tanyan over Gronk

1190
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: I needed. I needed four hundred dollars, I had three hundred.

1191
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: If I go with if that's if that's what the

1192
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: way this goes, and I could get Tanyan instead of Gronkin,

1193
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: I would be much happier, much happier. Right, Tanya is good.

1194
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: Tanya is gonna be a big factor in this game.

1195
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be interesting. It's always worth keeping on.

1196
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: We'll do our FS lineup on thinking about it now

1197
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: over the next we will do that on Friday for

1198
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: our Fantasy football focus. But we're gonna take a break now.

1199
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: We'll be back right after this with more your tunes

1200
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: about drive on Home of the Black and Goals. Steelers

1201
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: Nation Radio, Welcome back. I'm dale ally here with Matt

1202
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: Wamson and Matt Espn. Kevin Sefer put at a list

1203
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: of the top fifty free agents available in the NFL

1204
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 1: this year. And this is as quick right now. Of course,

1205
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: obviously this list will change over time. Uh, but it

1206
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: goes back to our bud dupre conversation. When these lists

1207
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: were coming out last year, they potential free agents for

1208
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: after this season. Bud Dupree in a lot of cases

1209
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: wasn't on this list, not on the right, not even

1210
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: in the top fifty, and they still franchised him and

1211
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: worked out really well. Now he's listed to seventh as

1212
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: seven seven and these lists first of all folks. So

1213
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: these guys will get franchise and get swept off the market,

1214
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: some of them will get locked up the long term deals,

1215
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: and a lot of names will get added to it.

1216
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: Probably this more than ever in terms of cap casualties.

1217
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: So interesting year for free agents, and unfortunately the Steelers

1218
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: aren't gonna be in the market to bring any in.

1219
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: But there could be a lot of household names changing

1220
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: teams this year. Yeah, there's no doubt about that. And

1221
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: see what the what the salary cap comes in at,

1222
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: that's all going to affect how this whole thing works out.

1223
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: But their number one guy is Dak Prescott. I think

1224
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: it has to be. Who knows where he is physically

1225
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: in terms of his his injury, but he's a twenty

1226
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: eight year od quarter twenty eight year old franchise quarterback.

1227
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not much different than de Shaun Watson

1228
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: to me in terms of, you know, what you'd pay

1229
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: for an available guy. Number two, I don't know if

1230
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: I agree with this one, but the position he plays

1231
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: is important. That's Trent Williams. I'm not paying for a

1232
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: thirty three year old offensive tax say. I mean, I

1233
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: think he's right there with Armstead with the Saints. Is

1234
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: is maybe the best tackle in the league, and he

1235
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: did really well with San Fran But he has injury

1236
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: history and age. You know, like you're gonna hand him

1237
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: a three or four year contract because that's probably what

1238
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna want. Yeah for huge, huge money. Yeah, you

1239
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: better hope he whit works at the end of his career,

1240
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Uh. Number three is Leonard Williams.

1241
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: It's funny myself included it made fun of the Giants

1242
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: when they traded for him with the Jets. He's been

1243
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: really good for the Giants and he's starting to get

1244
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: accumulate more sacks. I mean, he's like a Cam Hayward type.

1245
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: You know, I'm starting to believe there might be something

1246
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: to this. And I mentioned this when people were talking

1247
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: about two. It a lot. I said, you realized Cam

1248
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: didn't have his breakout until he was like twenty six

1249
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: years old. Boom, here you go, another one of these

1250
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: big guys that that took a couple of years. But

1251
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there thinking of that, which is a whole

1252
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: another conversation, but boy, it makes sense. You know, like

1253
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams, I'm sure he was at least a four

1254
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: star recruit, if not a five, was coached up and

1255
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: is of what the third or fourth pick in the

1256
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: draft may have been the best player in that draft

1257
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: class coming out, But those guys like to it. I

1258
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: always noticed this as when I was recruiting. There's five

1259
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: of them that come out of the high school ranks

1260
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: every year, and they're so much better than everybody else.

1261
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: They're freakier. They don't have to worry about technique or

1262
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: any of these things. They they just take this right.

1263
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: And it's really hard to do that when you get

1264
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: to the league and then maybe you realize, I gotta

1265
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: get my pads low, I gotta get inside hands, I

1266
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: gotta learn a variety of pass rush moves. That these

1267
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: are pro dudes blocking me and they are allowed to

1268
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: hold the thing that always struck me about to it

1269
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: as well, because when I did the radio show with

1270
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: him and we would talking about, you know, how long

1271
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: he actually played the position. You know, he didn't start

1272
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: playing until he was like fourteen years old, and the

1273
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: Steelers drafted him when he was twenty. Yeah, you're not

1274
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: getting a finished product there. You're getting a guy. You know,

1275
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: it's not you know, it's it's it's gonna take some

1276
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: time for that. And they and they grow into their

1277
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: body a little bit too, sure, Yeah, and I'm sure

1278
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: technique was not his specialty at sixteen and turn on

1279
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: his high school tape. Then he just killed. I mean,

1280
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 1: he's he's he looks like King Kong out there running

1281
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: around with the rest of this, just throwing people out

1282
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: of the way. And it goes back to recruiting again

1283
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 1: to me, like there was if five or six of

1284
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: them come out in every recruiting class as opposed to

1285
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: forty wide outs that everybody wants. They all go to

1286
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: the same schools, you know, and they and some of

1287
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: them turn into offensive tackles, you know eventually, and boy,

1288
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean that's a rare breed. And they it's one

1289
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: of the few positions where you don't have to necessarily

1290
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: work hard, even at the college level, even at the

1291
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: SEC to be one of the most dominant players on

1292
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: the field. Number four Brandon Schurf. Yeah, they franchised him

1293
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: last year and he's still still young enough. Hunter Henry

1294
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 1: at five. That's a tough one. That's a tough one. Uh,

1295
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: he's twenty six years old. He can't stay healthy and

1296
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: that's that. Maybe again we've talked about that before too,

1297
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: and maybe it's a tight end thing. You know, these

1298
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: guys kind of is the guys that are asked to

1299
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: do a lot of blocking tend to end up hurt

1300
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: a lot, and they take a lot of hits in

1301
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: the middle of the field by three or four people

1302
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: hit him and could fall. Weird. There's a lot of

1303
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: those guys that durability is a concern. But he's also

1304
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: hitting that age where tight ends usually take a jump

1305
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: for I mean, I don't think he's a special talent,

1306
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 1: you know, like Darren Waller's more athlete, has a higher

1307
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: upside him, but he's he's a good tight end and

1308
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: there aren't many of them in the league. They have

1309
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: Yannick and Dockway. Six. That's probably a little rich for me. Yeah,

1310
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: I mean the dock Way versus Buds of conversation, who well,

1311
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: Buds Bud seven. I think right now I'd rather have Bud.

1312
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: I think so too. I mean, I think the dog

1313
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: Way is a really good bender. He's quick twitch dude.

1314
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 1: But Bud, the physical gifts he have, I might rather

1315
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: have them than dock Ways. And Bud's coming off a

1316
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: better year. And dock Way finished the season with eight

1317
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: sacks this year. That's the fourth time in his five

1318
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: seasons that he's finished below double digits. And Sex teams

1319
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: this year on three teams this year, yeah, whereas Bud

1320
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: in the last two seasons has nineteen and a half

1321
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: sacks and he missed the final five games. Only seven

1322
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: players in the league last two years have more Sex

1323
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: and Bud, and he missed five of thirty two possible games.

1324
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: You know, by the way, he's an above average run stopper.

1325
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: He's a super powerful up. Yea. He's when people say

1326
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: don't have projects, well, this is what projects starting. Here's

1327
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 1: the problem the Steelers gonna have with Bud because you're

1328
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: franchise tagged. And we've talked about this before in the past.

1329
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: The franchise tag to me is something that needs to

1330
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: go away. It's hard for negotiation because it kills your

1331
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: negotiations with that player because now you've set the floor.

1332
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: We think you're worth franchise fifteen point eight beat million

1333
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 1: this year and more than that. If I'm Bud's agent,

1334
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 1: I'm coming in and saying, well, you paid him fifteen

1335
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: point eight this year, So that's where we start at

1336
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: a great year I want to raise Yeah, which why

1337
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't you start there? Right? The other thing I hate

1338
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: about the franchise tag and I bring this up, and

1339
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 1: the other thing is if you because you get that

1340
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 1: second franchise tag and now sitting out there, that's gonna

1341
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 1: that's gonna be eighteen million dollars. Well, now that's really

1342
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 1: where I'm look. I'm if you franchise tag me again,

1343
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,560
Speaker 1: you owe me eighteen million dollars. So that's where I

1344
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: want to start the negotiations, which aren't going to do

1345
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: that right year. But if you're really, really good and

1346
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: you're a team that has an awful lot of money,

1347
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: you can do that. But I also don't like about

1348
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: the franchise tag. It's kind of the opposite is you're

1349
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 1: you're way better than everyone else in your position. You're

1350
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald and maybe this will be t. J. Watt situation.

1351
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: It's a bargain for the team, the franchise Donald, you

1352
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Or Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, I mean,

1353
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: if you're worth more than everybody else in your position

1354
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 1: and I don't have to give you the combination of

1355
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: the top five, you screw the player over. But it's

1356
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: a it's a bargain. This is gonna be the problem

1357
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys are gonna have with Dak Prescott. Oh,

1358
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna once because you put the franchise tag. This

1359
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: was not what the franchise tag was meant to do. No, right, right, right.

1360
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: It's supposed to keep you know. It's kind of like

1361
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: the Larry Bird role. We don't want people to leave

1362
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: their you know, the team that they're associated with. Uh.

1363
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 1: Kenny Golladay is eight. I'm fine with that. I'm not

1364
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: sure he'd be my top receiver though, No, I don't

1365
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: think he would be. Somebody the names are about. The

1366
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,719
Speaker 1: list of receiver are pretty impressive. Justin Simmons nine, he's

1367
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: a really good player. He's got franchises, He's twenty seven.

1368
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: Allan Robinson ten. He's think Robinson over. He's twenty eight

1369
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: galladays a year younger, but I would take I'd take Robinson,

1370
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: Robinson said, said that knee injury. He's had his share.

1371
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: Johnny Smith at eleven. That's too rich for me. Yeah,

1372
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: I'd like the player. I don't like him that much.

1373
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't like him that much. He's another one that

1374
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 1: his seven through thirty years could be a lot better

1375
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: than this. He's twenty six now, it makes sense, still

1376
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: a young player. Trey Hendrickson, He's a double digit sack

1377
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: guy this year in the thirteen and a half. This

1378
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: year his first year as a full time starter. You're

1379
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: kind of looking at Okay, well, you know, is he

1380
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: is he worth that money? Is this? Was this a

1381
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: flash in the pan? Or is this something that kind

1382
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: of reminds me of shack Bear because they took him

1383
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: in the first round and people are like that. I

1384
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: don't think this guy is a super high ceiling. Everybody's

1385
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: keying on Cam Jordan's and he's a piece of the puzzle.

1386
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 1: But I bet he gets overpaid. Yeah, I mean passwords,

1387
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: but like the Raiders give him too much. Uh, scobin At,

1388
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: I'd rather have Gobwin and the other two guys over Robinson. Yeah,

1389
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: he's twenty five, he can play in a slot, he's tough.

1390
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,560
Speaker 1: He had a lot of injuries this year too. But

1391
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: I think the guy you saw two years ago is

1392
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: who he really is. Yeah, i'd pay him, Yeah, I

1393
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: would pay him, and I think the I think the

1394
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 1: Buccaneers probably will, although I don't know what they're caps.

1395
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: Again I don't either, but his cap situation is you know,

1396
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: like I know, Hendrickson will not be a Saint next year.

1397
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: I know that because they can't afford him. But Godwin's

1398
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 1: worth the franchise tag. Aaron Jones at four, your first

1399
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: running back, he's twenty six. Um doesn't have a ton

1400
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 1: of miles on him because you know he's a part

1401
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: time player for them, rotational player. Clearly the best running

1402
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: back UM, Jamal Williams is also up. They used the

1403
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: second round pick on Dylan. I assume they know only

1404
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: one of those two at most is going to return,

1405
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: but Jones is by far the most valuable those Yeah.

1406
01:14:58,240 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: I think he's a really good player, but you might

1407
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: gret signing him two years from now. Fifteen is Shack Barrett. Yeah,

1408
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: he was up a year ago. To franchise. Tag guy

1409
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: had another good year. Again, they probably can't bring him back.

1410
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: Probably can't, but i'd rather I don't know if you

1411
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: can have they're gonna they're just saying, Okay, Gobwin or Barrett. Yeah,

1412
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to pick something. I mean, you got to,

1413
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's the way that works. Sixteen is

1414
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: Taylor Molten. He's had a good year. He's had a

1415
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 1: good year. Right, he's a tackle. Yeah, seven, So they

1416
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: have to be at the bright of the right age

1417
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: to get paid heavy long term starter. Yeah, he'll be

1418
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: a rich man. Uh. Corey Linsley is seventeen. He might

1419
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: be the best center in the league, might be. Yeah,

1420
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: but he's thirty. He is? Is he thirty? Yeah? Yeah,

1421
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: he missed a little time, he's I bet the Packers

1422
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: don't let him go. No way does Rogers lose him.

1423
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: This one's gonna be an interesting one because he's kind

1424
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: of the that the third year receiver kind of guy.

1425
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: Although this isn't longer than that. They didn't pick up

1426
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: his option. Corey Davis, I mean you remember he was

1427
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: a fourth pick in the draft. Fifth pick in the draft.

1428
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: Small school, didn't burst on the scene. So everyone thought

1429
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: he was a boss, but he was really good this year.

1430
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: He was really good. They're gonna lose John dow and

1431
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: Davis said, well, how about this for the Buccaneers Lavante David. Yeah, wow,

1432
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: and he's still playing really, really well. He would take

1433
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: a hometown discount to run it back, but either way,

1434
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,759
Speaker 1: it's still gonna cost you home. Even a hometown discount

1435
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: is gonna cost you a lot. Yeah, there's a lot

1436
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: of teams to pay a lot for Lavante David. He's

1437
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: been a great role model for White too. That's something

1438
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: that you know, Bush hasn't really had, uh twenties. Joe Thuney,

1439
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: he's another franchise tag guy that played well and it's

1440
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: gonna be one of the high Yeah, right, patriots that money.

1441
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you pay him seventeen million

1442
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 1: dollars year for a guard. I mean, his his agents

1443
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: gonna get me in norwell money. Of course, his agent

1444
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: is gonna say, well, you paid me the franchise tag

1445
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: last year. I want more than that. Yeah, I don't

1446
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: know if you're that good. Twenty one is Alejandro Villain

1447
01:16:56,120 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: the Wuava. I disagree, Well, he plays the right position.

1448
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:08,719
Speaker 1: He's a left tack Are there are there twenty left

1449
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: tackles in the league better than an Illaneueva? Maybe not,

1450
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: but I bet but there's more than twenty free agents.

1451
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 1: I would rank ahead of them probably value and his

1452
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: age and his wear and tear. I don't mean mean

1453
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: the big Owl, but Steeler fans should hope the league

1454
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:30,759
Speaker 1: views him this way. Yes, somebody signs him to because

1455
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 1: that's gonna that's gonna net a compayt. Yeah, that would

1456
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: be wonderful, although it won't be a long term deal

1457
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 1: because he's thirty two. But still, but if someone signs

1458
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: him as a start three years, nine million dollars a year,

1459
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: right exactly, that would be wonderful. Uh A J. Green,

1460
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: I disagree with that. He's shot. Yeah, I don't see it.

1461
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,679
Speaker 1: Twenty three Matt Milano. Matt Malan is a really good player.

1462
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 1: He's a good player. I bet the Bills don't let him.

1463
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: Twenty seven years old. Twenty four Hassan Reddick. This is

1464
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: this is the guy that people in Pittsburgh thought Bud was. Boy.

1465
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: They're very different too, because well, he just he just

1466
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: exploded beating his contract here, right, He didn't even explode

1467
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: in his contract. He exploded in like the last six

1468
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: games of his contract here. But he's been used so

1469
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: differently every year they and they're doing this with Isaiah

1470
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: Simmons to like, you drafted this guy that can do

1471
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 1: it all, you know, and Buddha Baker was that guy

1472
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals. Simmons was that guy with the Cardinals.

1473
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 1: But really it took you too long to realize figure

1474
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: out what he was. Just he's a speedball off the edge.

1475
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,560
Speaker 1: What he is, you know? And let him do that

1476
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: the Steeler if he had joined the Steelers in the

1477
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: draft when he came out, that's what he would have been.

1478
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: Greg Lloyd rush the passer, right, I mean that's what

1479
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: he should do. Yeah. Interesting, but he'll get paid. He'll

1480
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 1: get paid. I just don't I hope they use him. Right.

1481
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: Whoever signs at seven and a half sacks in their

1482
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 1: final four games, I think get five against some full

1483
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: left tackle though in one game, and that's a that's

1484
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: a tough one. I bet he gets overpaid, Oh, there's

1485
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: no doubt. Yeah, he's begging to get overpaid. Twenty five

1486
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster. He's worth more a three Steelers in

1487
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,759
Speaker 1: the top twenty five though, three. Oh yeah, yeah, ouch,

1488
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: I forgot how Juju to me is worth the money

1489
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,759
Speaker 1: he's gonna get from somebody, and it's gonna be fifteen

1490
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 1: million a year up. I mean, if you're the Patriots

1491
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: or the Bears or so many other the Jets are

1492
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 1: so many teams, the Dolphins, you know you're getting twenty

1493
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: five ye will dude with a great track record. That

1494
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: might not be the best for Stiver in the league,

1495
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: but I would pay him before five of those guys

1496
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: who mentioned ahead of him, give me tough. Yeah is

1497
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:52,799
Speaker 1: Desmond King? M hm, he's a good player. Yeah uh seven.

1498
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: Another interesting name on here and loved it. You know,

1499
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel. I keep hearing that he's going to be

1500
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: a Washington football team or probably that would make that

1501
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: would make some sense. He's he's twenty five years old.

1502
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: He could do a little bit of everything for if

1503
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: you know who he is, which that staff would, that

1504
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: would make perfect sense. But he's a piece of the puzzle.

1505
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: He's not one. No, he's not a one. But he's

1506
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: a nice guy. You gonna play against. Shack Griffin. Shack Griffin. Yeah,

1507
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: I would take him ahead of a couple of guys.

1508
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: Twenty six year old cornerback. Yeah, with size and lengthen. Yeah,

1509
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: twenty nine is Marcus Williams again. Another saint. Marcus Williams

1510
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: is only twenty four years old. Yeah, how about that.

1511
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: He's a really good player too. I mean he was

1512
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 1: part of that draft class with Kamara and ram Check

1513
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: and um pure deep, all the guys that they're not

1514
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: gonna be able to afford to keep them and have

1515
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: an awesome draft class, kind of like the Steelers did

1516
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 1: with the Watt class. Yeah, you're having the same problem.

1517
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: You had to pick the guy you want, and they

1518
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: picked ram Check. I don't even know if they're not

1519
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: gonna be able to afford him keep him either. But

1520
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,879
Speaker 1: oh Kamara is not going anywhere either. Yeah. Still ibet

1521
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: Williams on the market gets paid heavy thirties will Fuller,

1522
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: he is what he is, But I can't believe they

1523
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: couldn't trade him for something. Green Bay wouldn't have given

1524
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 1: him a fourth round pick for will four or and

1525
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,879
Speaker 1: be thrilled to have him right now? Thirty one Patrick Peterson,

1526
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 1: He's not what he used to be. I don't even

1527
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: know if you have him that high on this list.

1528
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 1: I mean, either and he's not gonna play for peanuts. No,

1529
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:25,679
Speaker 1: that's for sure. John Johnson at thirty two year old safety,

1530
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: it's a good investment. I would bet Marcus May at

1531
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: thirty three. I don't want to let him go. He's

1532
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,719
Speaker 1: a good player too. Then they have money. He's twenty

1533
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: eight years old, is eight? Yeah? Wow, he must have been.

1534
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: He's been around for a while. Yeah, and he came

1535
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: out the same year with Adams thirty four. Matthew jude On.

1536
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: He's kind of falling off a little stink. He's just

1537
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: a guy. He's just he's twenty nine years old. Is

1538
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 1: that old too? Yeah? I can't what he is when

1539
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: people again, when people had him, he was in that

1540
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: spot where buds at right, mate, seventh, seventh best? Are

1541
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Right? He's not a special athlete, not

1542
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: at all. It's much more gifted than he is. Yeah,

1543
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 1: of all these edge rushers, he would be last for mate.

1544
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: I might even take the next guy over him. It

1545
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: much better year. Leonard Leonard Floyd, I would too. They're

1546
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 1: really different. I mean Floyd's really skinny. Yeah, but man,

1547
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: he blew up with the rams. That scares me a

1548
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: little because the rams a foul ear a year ago,

1549
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 1: and maybe they were just in bad organizations with the

1550
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: Bears and Jackson. The thing about the Rams, you know

1551
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 1: that Donald's drawing double teams sometimes triple teams every so

1552
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 1: you're getting one on one all the time for those

1553
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 1: edge guys. And maybe he's at the bud stage though,

1554
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 1: where he took a nice stepper. But he is what

1555
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a really narrow waist, skinny long. You know,

1556
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 1: he's interesting, but he's not real physical, real quick. Here

1557
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: will world through these next guys. Here do we get

1558
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: the fifty Anthony Harris at thirty six, he's twenty nine.

1559
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: Thirty seven is Larry Ogan Joebi uh thirty eight Romeo

1560
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: Acora from the Lions and the other edge rusher uh

1561
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 1: thirty nine shouldobee As from the Cowboys. Forty is William Jackson,

1562
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 1: the cornerback from the Bengals. Forty one is Marvin Jones.

1563
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 1: Forty two Nelson Aguilar he made money, Yeah. Forty three

1564
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman, he can still play. It's thirty three years old.

1565
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:26,719
Speaker 1: That's gonna fall yeah. Forty four Melvin Ingram Wowo forty five,

1566
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:31,520
Speaker 1: Gerald Everett. I'd like to see him stand alone. He's

1567
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: twenty seven now he's how about this with forty six?

1568
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: Is Carl Lawson? I would have Carl Lawson, I have

1569
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 1: him had a jude On for God's sakes, I would

1570
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: have him like my top fifteen. He's a much better

1571
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: player than He's a really good player. But he played

1572
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: for the Bengal so nobody knows who he is. Ask

1573
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: I asked Bell in the way, but who he is?

1574
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 1: He wrote? H seven, How the mighty have fallen? Jadeveon Clowney.

1575
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: How do you invest in him? Now? He can't? You can't.

1576
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 1: He's a really unique player anyways, and you got a

1577
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 1: structure your defense or he's got three secs in the

1578
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: last two years and make anything happen. He's lazy as

1579
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: can be, doesn't chase the ball side. He would have

1580
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 1: to pay me money to be on my team. Yeah, no,

1581
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 1: I have nothing to do with it, Andy Dalton, that's

1582
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: what That's the quarterback situation you're looking at, folks. Cam

1583
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 1: Newton be an opening day starter, No, No forty nine,

1584
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: Cam Newton. Cam Newton won't be an opening day start.

1585
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: And I can't imagine I'm taking a backup job. Dalton

1586
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: will he'll probably will wait, uh fifties Eric Winston, Well,

1587
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 1: Eric Wilson, I'm sorry, Eric Wilson, linebacker for the Vikings.

1588
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he stepped up kind of when Bar got her.

1589
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: He'll probably do all right for himself. Yeah, some other

1590
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: guys want there a whole bunch of guys here to watch.

1591
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: But um, that's the top fifty for ESPN. Again, that

1592
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 1: will change as things happen here. We added someone who

1593
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: was subtracted, but it's a deep class. Be nice to

1594
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 1: be involved. I mean when we do the show, he's

1595
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: gonna be a massive class. Uh you know if that

1596
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: if that salary cap goes down like it's like, you know,

1597
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: we think if it goes down as low as people

1598
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: were saying, I don't think it's gonna be anywhere near

1599
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 1: that even a D eight. I think if it comes

1600
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 1: in anywhere below, it's gonna maybe a hundred. I know

1601
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: it's not their style, but one year from now we

1602
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 1: might be talking about, oh that Carl Lawson type, maybe

1603
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: she litill grab them. They may maybe one or two

1604
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 1: guys yeah, to fill in, but it's not gonna They're

1605
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 1: not gonna go nuts. Which was nice to actually be

1606
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 1: in that position to maybe they'll bring in a Hunter

1607
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: Henry or Carl Lawson or whatever. Yeah, those that he

1608
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson, I'm Dale Lally. You're listening to the

1609
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We're gonna take a

1610
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: final breakcare We'll be back to finish up the show

1611
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 1: right after this. Your tunes about Drive on Home of

1612
01:25:51,760 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm

1613
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 1: Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and Matt. I have

1614
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: a quarterback uh proposition here that I haven't really heard

1615
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 1: anybody talk about yet. We've heard all the guys mentioned

1616
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 1: who are you know, maybe available as your ways and

1617
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: guys of that nature. Here's one for you if you

1618
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: were the Steeler. Let's say, let's say Roethlisberger does come

1619
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: back this year, you play out this season. Aaron Rodgers

1620
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 1: does not look like he's anywhere close to retiring, not

1621
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: even a little not even a little bit. I think

1622
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 1: I know where you're going with this because i've Jordan's

1623
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 1: love Will be in year two. Will just finished year

1624
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 1: two of his deal with virtually no tape out there

1625
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: of him playing. We know no more about him him

1626
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: coming out of school, so if you liked Jordan's Love

1627
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: coming out, He's gonna have a preseason next year. Yes,

1628
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 1: but that's really gonna be a bonus. Yeah, thank you.

1629
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 1: They paid the bonus, so you would get two years

1630
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 1: of Jordan's Love and his option year. Um. The price

1631
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think would be super expensive. I think he's

1632
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: cheaper now than what they paid for him. And if

1633
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 1: you like Jordan's Love coming out of school, why wouldn't

1634
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 1: you try to at least make that Hey, let's let's

1635
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: let's talk your packers. That's what the Packers used to

1636
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 1: do when they had five Brunell and hassleback and you

1637
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 1: know they rotate. They would trade those guys. Maybe maybe

1638
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: maybe it takes a third, but I was thinking a

1639
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 1: late seconds, you know, if you're the Saints or Stealers

1640
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,560
Speaker 1: or good team. But again, next year, if you have

1641
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 1: that kind of you have those compics in hand. We

1642
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 1: just went over that that that list of free agents,

1643
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: and there were three Steelers in the top fifty, and

1644
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,560
Speaker 1: that doesn't that's not even including the Cam Sutton's and

1645
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 1: Mike Hilton's and guys that that you were also going

1646
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: to net you comp pics. That would be a deal

1647
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 1: I would be interested in exploring if you like Jordan

1648
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 1: loves that's my problems. I didn't, you know, but I

1649
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,560
Speaker 1: might like him at eighty cents and a dollar, you know.

1650
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: And one of my problems. I'm not saying Jordan loves

1651
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: stupid or isn't smarter whatever. I don't know that. I

1652
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: just know that he made a lot of the same

1653
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 1: mistakes over and over. Like didn't but was that his coaching?

1654
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 1: And that's what we don't know. Steelers know that they

1655
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: have a much better They've sat down with the young man.

1656
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: He's athletic as hell. He's got tons of ability and

1657
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 1: there were my homes comparisons, which that's that's tough. But

1658
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: he's that style. I mean, he's very physically gifted. He

1659
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: can flick his wrist and that thing can go, you know,

1660
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 1: because we've seen what happens with Josh Allen from year

1661
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 1: to year to year one to year two two, year

1662
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:53,679
Speaker 1: three is being in a pro system the last two years,

1663
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: and he's learned something from Aaron Rodgers in the last

1664
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:57,680
Speaker 1: three year or sixty five days. You would think you

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01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: would think of how to be, you know, in advanced

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01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: level quarterback. He's been sitting in that room and it

1667
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: rubbed off. I'm interested, you know, because it's not that

1668
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: much of an investment, especially financially. It's gonna cost you

1669
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 1: a pick, but you you run them through for a year,

1670
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 1: and he could be There's numerous teams we could talk

1671
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: about this, The Bears, Washington. The Bears aren't gonna get him,

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01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:22,640
Speaker 1: but why are they gonna get The Packers would not

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01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 1: trade him within the division. But yeah, there's there's teams

1674
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: that could go to make this experiment and if if

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01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 1: ben the sides of time, that's essentially what the Falcons

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01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 1: did with five. That's exactly what they did, right. It's

1677
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 1: a good point. He was a wild stallion didn't work out.

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01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:40,719
Speaker 1: They at least had a little bit of preseason tape

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01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: on far Right. They actually gave a first for a

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01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: pick for far who was an early second, because they

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01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 1: liked them so much. But if your preseas I mean,

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01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 1: it goes back to what was your college evaluation and love,

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01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: and I'm sure more than just the Packers had a

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01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,560
Speaker 1: first round grade on him. The Steelers did or not,

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01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: but maybe the Patriots did, or like I said, uh,

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01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 1: the football team or whatever. If you're the Packers, for example,

1687
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: right now, and you're sitting here going, well, you know,

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01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 1: it looks like it looks like Rogers is going to

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01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: play another three or four years. He looks fine, he

1690
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,799
Speaker 1: looks you know, he's back, he's bought into the system,

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01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. If we can get a two

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01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 1: for for love at this point, that's you know, that's

1693
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: a wide out. Yeah. I mean, it's nice to have

1694
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 1: him sitting there because at this point you paid the cost.

1695
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get a first round pick out, and

1696
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 1: you're not get sign him on his back. You might

1697
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: have regretted the pick, but you made it, so live

1698
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: with it, you know, I mean, sit in it. But

1699
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: you're trying to win the super Bowl, and you might

1700
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: win the super Bowl this year. Jordan loves not helping

1701
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 1: you do it. Right, if you come up short this year,

1702
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: Let's say they lose on Sunday. So they did, they went,

1703
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: they banced just as far as they did last year.

1704
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 1: We need to do something to get us over the

1705
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: hump here. Jordan's love doesn't help us do that. No,

1706
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 1: he doesn't, and they they have. Jordan Lindsley was the

1707
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 1: only Packer I can remember that you listed there. But

1708
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 1: it's not like they don't need things. The second round pick,

1709
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 1: they would find something to use that player on. Maybe

1710
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 1: it's a linebacker or another offensive lineman and let alone

1711
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: a wide out, you know, or draft a quarterback in

1712
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 1: the third round this year and let him sit for nothing,

1713
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: and maybe he learned from Rogers too, you know, someone

1714
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: that's a total project. It's not a bad call. Or

1715
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: use them. Maybe you signed it, Andy Dalton, because if

1716
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: Rogers goes down, we're still in it, right, you know

1717
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 1: what we really want to turn things over to. If

1718
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 1: Rogers goes down, and they would love they would be

1719
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,719
Speaker 1: in big trouble right now. And he's not even active

1720
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 1: on game day for them, right, he's not the number two.

1721
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 1: He's just the waiting in the wings guy. I think

1722
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 1: a lot of teams should call about Jordan's love. I

1723
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 1: didn't love him coming out of school, but they know

1724
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 1: more about idea, you know. And I'm not saying I

1725
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 1: mean that's the that's the kind of you know, if

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01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 1: you can do that for a second round or a

1727
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 1: third round, drap, that's something I would be interested in

1728
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: as opposed to a trade, you know, trade up and

1729
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 1: trade your first round drap. No, I'm not interested in

1730
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 1: doing that. No, that that is an interesting outlet that

1731
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams should explore. Would the

1732
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 1: Packers do it? Well, that's the question that they might

1733
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 1: still adore the kid, right, they may love him, say

1734
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: he's our he's our guy. We're gonna treat him like

1735
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:12,560
Speaker 1: we did Rogers, and you know he's gonna sit for

1736
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 1: three or four years. Well, that doesn't that's the difference

1737
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: here when they did that with far Van Rogers. It's

1738
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 1: a different cb a system that you're that you're working

1739
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 1: under because now that fifty year option becomes fully guaranteed.

1740
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 1: Even if he doesn't play a down for you in

1741
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 1: those first four years, he's still gonna costume, like, you know,

1742
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars in his fifth year. He just can't

1743
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 1: do it. And so you got to find out before

1744
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: that if he can be your quarterback. But you're never

1745
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 1: gonna know, you know, you never because you got Rogers

1746
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 1: and he never misses time and far I've never missed

1747
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 1: time and right. So but if you're the Steelers, you

1748
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 1: want to do that now. But if I'm the Packers,

1749
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 1: I know he's really good and I can put a

1750
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 1: preseason of awesome tape out there and get a one

1751
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 1: for him whenever the time comes. Maybe I don't want

1752
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,720
Speaker 1: to trade them out. I'd be willing to do it

1753
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:06,680
Speaker 1: next year, right, I mean, you know everybody's looking at you.

1754
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 1: You have to you have to get you know, go

1755
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 1: get a quarterback in the draft. Well, if you get

1756
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: a guy like that, you could also still do the

1757
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 1: fourth week of preseason right after you do see some

1758
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:17,639
Speaker 1: tape and maybe you pay a little more. Yeah, we'll

1759
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:19,560
Speaker 1: give you next year's one or you know, whatever it

1760
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 1: may be. And you know you've got all these threes

1761
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 1: coming and something like that. No, he's interesting. I mean

1762
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 1: I could see the Niners being interested in I'm a

1763
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 1: lot of teams that pay. Why not, it's worth it. Yeah,

1764
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 1: I mean if you liked him back then, you you

1765
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 1: don't like him any less now than you do then

1766
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:35,600
Speaker 1: because you haven't shown anything. Right, if you had a

1767
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 1: first round grade on him, that hasn't changed, and you

1768
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 1: might actually like him more because he's had that year

1769
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 1: of experience working with I mean, you might sit down

1770
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: with him, do a zoom call with him, like what

1771
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:46,640
Speaker 1: he knows a lot more and he did a year

1772
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:48,640
Speaker 1: ago coming out of a small school. I mean he

1773
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,640
Speaker 1: might be much more knowledgeable now. Yeah, anyways, yeah, it's

1774
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:54,640
Speaker 1: just something to kick around out there, but he is

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01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:57,599
Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly. We want to thank of course,

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01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 1: Jacob on site here for keeping us on the here,

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01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: and we want to thank you for listening to this

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01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 1: edition of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be

1779
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: back on Friday. Uh. You can hear out Wesley Uhler

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01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 1: and Arthur Moates tomorrow here on Steelers Nation Radio.