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Speaker 1: The show goes on. This is the official show on

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Speaker 1: the Fish Stripes podcast. As always, I'm Eli Susman, fish

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Speaker 1: Stripes Managing Editor, and as almost always, these episodes will

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Speaker 1: be dropping on Wednesdays during the Miami Marlins off season.

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Speaker 1: A programming reminder, We're continuing to do the Big Fish

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Speaker 1: Small Pod on Tuesdays and on Fridays during the off season,

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Speaker 1: and at the mothership Fishstripes dot com. Keeping me company.

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Speaker 1: On this episode, it's Fish Stripe's deputy editor, Lewis Addio.

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Speaker 2: Weiss Why why, Like why are you here?

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Speaker 1: He's here because Lewis is going to help me introduce

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Speaker 1: this series that tentatively calling Marlins off season Shopping, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to go one aisle at a time. This

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Speaker 1: is an idea that I came up with. I think

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Speaker 1: it's kind of unique. There's so many ways you could

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Speaker 1: divide up all these players, hundreds of potential directions the

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Speaker 1: Marlins could go with actually turning this roster from sixty

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Speaker 1: seven wins into being decent, into being competitive. And the

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Speaker 1: idea that I had for organizing this, something that I

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Speaker 1: think goes with the way that our brands are wired,

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Speaker 1: is kind of breaking it down by how these guys

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Speaker 1: This will be the first ale aisle one of their

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Speaker 1: off season shopping at the off season supermarket, and it's

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Speaker 1: going to be guys that this past season produced wins

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Speaker 1: it just means that these guys didn't do much this

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Speaker 1: more or below and does it Lewis, I'm sure you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can get started if you want at the

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Speaker 2: you know, he was wasn't on the field much, but

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Speaker 2: much for a bevy of reasons. But Robinson Turin is

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Speaker 2: a guy that I thought made sense, Like put it

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Speaker 2: You know, the combination of just tools that don't match

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Speaker 2: You've seen obviously the power, the defense is shaky at times,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe the one knock on him is his age

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Speaker 1: His name I can't remember is probably last offseason. His

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Speaker 1: a reliever. Tyler Clifford is a name that is in

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Speaker 1: He's one of the older guys that I think we're

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Speaker 1: Kannebel I love and for both of them just the

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Speaker 2: by the Marlins out of high school, and I believe

431
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Speaker 2: Iowa in two thousand and three. I mean, look, look

432
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Speaker 2: this year, you know a three nine two ERA, but

433
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Speaker 2: the FIP says otherwise. He had a three four eight FIP.

434
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Speaker 2: So he got and he pitched fifty seven innings. He

435
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Speaker 2: was He's durable, He's always been. You know, he's always

436
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Speaker 2: able to give you linked. He can work mobile innings

437
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Speaker 2: if you need to, and believe he has some experience

438
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Speaker 2: at closer you know. That's like if I were to

439
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Speaker 2: project like what I want to see in Dylan Flora

440
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Speaker 2: going forward, maybe he has a little bit more sprung

441
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Speaker 2: and miss, but he reminds me a lot of Tony

442
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Speaker 2: Watson in the way that he can kind of cut

443
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Speaker 2: and bend the baseball. There are very similar pictures to

444
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Speaker 2: me in that regard. But I've always been a big

445
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Speaker 2: Tony Watson finn especially too, when you consider that you know,

446
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Speaker 2: ground bow pitchers like that, and you know this infatuation

447
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Speaker 2: we have like defensive metrics. I was talking to Jazz

448
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Speaker 2: like in the last day of the season, and he

449
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Speaker 2: kind of noted to me we were on the field

450
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Speaker 2: because we were interviewing Mattingly and Rohas. It was that

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Speaker 2: day when Rojas started as the manager for the day

452
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Speaker 2: final game of the season, and Jazz talked about his

453
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Speaker 2: adoration for playing behind ground ball pitchers. Obviously you got

454
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Speaker 2: Sandy who's throwing ninety eight bowling ball sinker getting a

455
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Speaker 2: lot of balls on the ground. Guys like Pablo, you know,

456
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Speaker 2: even though he's a little bit more for a fly

457
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Speaker 2: ball pitcher, and Jazz talked about how much he loves

458
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Speaker 2: fielding ground balls and he loves playing behind ground ball pitchers.

459
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Speaker 2: And I look at him and I look at Miguel Rojas,

460
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Speaker 2: two guys who over the last couple of years, I

461
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Speaker 2: mean this year alone, Jazz is not a shortstop long term,

462
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Speaker 2: but second base. He defensive metrics thought he was relatively good.

463
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Speaker 2: I believe he was plus four defensive run saved. Rojas

464
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Speaker 2: slightly above average shortstop as well. I think pictures like

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Speaker 2: Watson and maybe another guy that i'll just name briefly.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to spend too much time on him,

467
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Speaker 2: but TJ. McFarlane, who you know knows the East Coazy's

468
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Speaker 2: played for Baltimore. But he spent this year at Saint

469
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Speaker 2: Louis in two fifty six and thirty eight, and he

470
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Speaker 2: didn't miss many bats and then twenty one strikeouts. I

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Speaker 2: think guys like that, who aren't you know, aren't they

472
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Speaker 2: don't possess ninety eight in their back pop the way

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Speaker 2: that a lot of these relievers do nowadays, could benefit

474
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Speaker 2: from having an infield of guys like you know, Rojas Chisholm,

475
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Speaker 2: and then if he's healthy, a healthy Brian Anderson playing

476
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Speaker 2: third base, another guy who can play great defensive infield. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you want to go on to somebody else, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to highlight Tony Watson because I think,

479
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Speaker 2: you know, he ages like fine wine. He's you know,

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Speaker 2: he's had some struggles recently, but he just continues to

481
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Speaker 2: be consistent. And I think that's the biggest thing you

482
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Speaker 2: want in a position such as relief pitching, where you

483
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Speaker 2: just never know you're gonna have this guys. It's such

484
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Speaker 2: a year to year just outing to outing kind of

485
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Speaker 2: thing with these guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take this opportunity to remind people again the

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Speaker 1: specific niche topic that we're covering here, this being Aisle

488
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Speaker 1: one quote unquote of our Marlins offseason shopping of guys

489
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Speaker 1: that last season produced one point zero wins above replacement

490
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Speaker 1: or less based on Baseball Reference. So a combination of

491
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Speaker 1: the guys that are either in small roles, or coming

492
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Speaker 1: off injuries or just coming off down years, smaller opportunities

493
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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, ones that generally speaking are going to

494
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Speaker 1: be pretty easy to acquire, But it kind of depends

495
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Speaker 1: on the exact situation. And we will work our way up.

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Speaker 1: Don't you worry. We're going to make this full series

497
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Speaker 1: actually working our way up to the big names that

498
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Speaker 1: are already top of minds. This is just formatted in

499
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Speaker 1: a way to really cast up wide net for all

500
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Speaker 1: these players that potentially could fit with the Marlins in

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Speaker 1: a sensible way for twenty twenty two. Let me go over.

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll spend some time on outfielders. That seems

503
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Speaker 1: to be the one position that you can really bank

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Speaker 1: on them making some sort of investment in aside from

505
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Speaker 1: Haitius Sanchez, Brian Delacruz. It's a whole lot of question

506
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Speaker 1: marks as to what exactly they're going to do, and

507
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Speaker 1: they'll be looking for somebody. This is going to be

508
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Speaker 1: a really brief one on Mike Talkman, just because he

509
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Speaker 1: was like pounding on the top of my minds around

510
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Speaker 1: like spring training and heading into opening day. Last year.

511
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Speaker 1: He had a great partial season with the Yankees in

512
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen where he got on base a ton and

513
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Speaker 1: he was super valuable in the outfield corners and he

514
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Speaker 1: was like a three three and a half war player

515
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Speaker 1: in less than a full time job. He took a

516
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Speaker 1: big step back in the shortened season, and it was

517
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Speaker 1: a situation where he kind of wanted to write that

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Speaker 1: off a little bit and believe that he was actually

519
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Speaker 1: the under the radar breakout guy that he was the

520
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Speaker 1: previous year. But then this year he continued to plummet

521
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Speaker 1: and he got traded to the Giants. He did nothing

522
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Speaker 1: for the Giants, basically went into witness protection for the

523
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Speaker 1: second half of the year. So he's in a situation

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Speaker 1: where I don't even think you need to give him

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Speaker 1: a major league deal. He is really just to take

526
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Speaker 1: a flyer on this type of guy. But somebody that

527
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Speaker 1: is really good on base skills who is still in

528
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Speaker 1: his early thirties, and you'd think, like the physical skills

529
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Speaker 1: are still there to be a pretty decent defender, not

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Speaker 1: going to hit for power, but like he does a

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Speaker 1: little bit, he has this like the tools to do

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Speaker 1: a little bit of everything else. So at the very least,

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Speaker 1: I think if they're in a position where they can

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Speaker 1: give that guy like a minor league invite to spring

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Speaker 1: training and just see what happens from there. If they

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Speaker 1: do end up needing him, then I think there are

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Speaker 1: a lot worse things. Just going back through the years

538
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Speaker 1: and seeing the type of guys that they've given minor

539
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Speaker 1: league invites before, I'd be a lot more excited about

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Speaker 1: him than Johnson and Matt Kemp or late stage Curtis

541
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Speaker 1: Granderson or somebody like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he he's kind of like his Yankee tenure was

543
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Speaker 2: a slightly more fleshed out Dustin Fowler. If we remember

544
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Speaker 2: Dustin Fowler suffered that gruesome injury in Chicago in his

545
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Speaker 2: major league debut playing right field, going for a foul ball,

546
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Speaker 2: all right, because Takman suffered a very bad leg injury

547
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Speaker 2: in Boston. I think it was mid August and twenty nineteen,

548
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Speaker 2: and like you said, he had been excellent, especially that

549
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Speaker 2: was the year that twenty nineteen, the Yankees had Judge

550
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Speaker 2: Stanton couldn't stay on the field, you know, Aaron Hicks

551
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Speaker 2: string of injuries continued, and they had guys at Cameron

552
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Speaker 2: maybe and Crint Clint Fraser played well and talk. Then

553
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Speaker 2: guys like that kind of carried that team, a team

554
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Speaker 2: that still found up winning like one hundred games and

555
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Speaker 2: made it, you know, all the way to the They

556
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Speaker 2: made it to the Division Series before losing to Houston.

557
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I've always I've I've definitely been interested in

558
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Speaker 2: talking when I was a little suspicious when the Yankees

559
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Speaker 2: first got him, just because he had done practically nothing

560
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Speaker 2: in Colorado and his like cups of coffee that he

561
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Speaker 2: had there. But then you know, obviously showed to be competent.

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Speaker 2: I would be a little concerned given the injuries and

563
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Speaker 2: the poor performance with San Francisco, another ballpark where you know,

564
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Speaker 2: pitching is king and home runs are few and far

565
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Speaker 2: to well.

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Speaker 1: For it's I guess in general it was, but this

567
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Speaker 1: year for the Giants, everybody's sitting home runs except for him,

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of let's yeah, for that team.

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Speaker 2: I had somebody that I wrote about last off season

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Speaker 2: that I thought would have made sense for us, just

571
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Speaker 2: because I really thought twenty twenty one had different things

572
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Speaker 2: in mind as far as Marlons, you know where they

573
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Speaker 2: would finish the standings, I and you know, if it happens,

574
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Speaker 2: it happens. But I you know, he was literally an

575
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Speaker 2: average player this year, zero point zero Baseball Reference war.

576
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Speaker 2: But Jock Peterson I thought would have made a lot

577
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Speaker 2: of sense as far as getting a veteran outfield. And

578
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Speaker 2: obviously they got Duvall and mid all the inconsistencies with

579
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Speaker 2: the on base he played excellent defense. We actually were

580
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Speaker 2: the first team to give him center field playing time,

581
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Speaker 2: which he's done with Atlanta. Speaking of that, they just

582
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Speaker 2: advanced to the NLCS, so that's fun. But you know,

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Speaker 2: a veteran outfielder who if we're in October and we've

584
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Speaker 2: seen him do it with the Dodgers, we've seen him

585
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Speaker 2: do it now with Atlanta with two pitch at home runs,

586
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Speaker 2: has a pedigree of hitting big in big moments. You know,

587
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Speaker 2: obviously the moment doesn't necessarily mean anything to him to

588
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Speaker 2: right field.

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Speaker 3: Got to see it going back, we'll be gone. A

590
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Speaker 3: blast pitch had three run home run for Jock Peterson

591
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Speaker 3: on a bridge hur on top three to nothing. His

592
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Speaker 3: second pitch hit home run this at LTS.

593
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Speaker 2: But this is a guy who a three ninety four

594
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Speaker 2: to twenty two slug this year, ninety three ops plus.

595
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Speaker 2: He's hit slightly better when he went to Atlanta. I

596
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Speaker 2: believe he was still four percent below the league average

597
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Speaker 2: by ops plus standards. But he's a career four to

598
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Speaker 2: sixty two slug. He's a relatively decent corner route fielder.

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Speaker 2: He has the ability to play center field. I know

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Speaker 2: he gets on base for a guy who doesn't necessarily

601
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Speaker 2: hit for average, you know, he bounces it with a

602
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Speaker 2: decent amount of walks. He's a career three thirty seven

603
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Speaker 2: OBP guy, which isn't terrible, especially when you consider the

604
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Speaker 2: way that he was utilized in LA when at one

605
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Speaker 2: point he was a starter and then he was, you know,

606
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Speaker 2: kind of like a role player the way that guys

607
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Speaker 2: at KIK were And we've seen with Zach mcintry this year.

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Speaker 2: You know, it could it could be worse, but I've

609
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Speaker 2: you know, I've always just thought like you need to

610
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Speaker 2: have a guy like that, a veteran who's done it,

611
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: you know, that can show guys like de la Cruz,

612
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Speaker 2: who's going to have his first full go around, look

613
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Speaker 2: at him in the majors next year, and guys like, hey,

614
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Speaker 2: sus Sanchez, you know what it takes to be a

615
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Speaker 2: big leaguer, and a four sixty two slug over parts

616
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: of eight seasons is nothing to scoff at, especially when

617
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Speaker 2: you consider all the inconsistencies he had at the outset

618
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Speaker 2: of his career after that All Star first half in

619
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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. Another guy that I had was Jorge Solaire,

620
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Speaker 2: and who knows what's gonna happen. The dude just got

621
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Speaker 2: hit with COVID. I believe he tested positive, so he's

622
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Speaker 2: out of the series. A guy that when we were

623
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Speaker 2: talking before the podcast started about the inevitability or possibly

624
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Speaker 2: the hope of the universal DH was somebody that I

625
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: thought would fit in this regard because he's allergic to

626
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: letter in the outfield. We know that it's funny. I

627
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Speaker 2: look at it this morning. He is eight point four

628
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Speaker 2: Baseball Reference war via offense, so eight point four zero

629
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Speaker 2: ward his defense. His defensive value is minus fifty career drs,

630
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: but he's minus eight point four defensive wards, so he's

631
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: literally been I mean, he has three point five Baseball

632
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: Reference war total, but most of his offensive output, especially

633
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Speaker 2: in a guy a guy who hit like forty seven

634
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: home runs a couple of years ago with the Royals,

635
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Speaker 2: has kind of really not meant much because he's just

636
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: not a reliable glove in the outfield. But again, we

637
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: talk about guys who hit can hit. In October fifty

638
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: four played appearances in the postseason. Entering today, he's got

639
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: a six twenty eight seven percentage for twenty six obp.

640
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: He you know, he hits her power a thing that

641
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: we don't necessarily have. He walks more than a guy

642
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: like Duval did, so he can balance the defensive shortcomings

643
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: with a very good bat at times, you know, not

644
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: always the most consistent player, but for somebody who was

645
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: picked up for next to nothing from Atlanta or with

646
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: Atlanta and to where they are now, I think that

647
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: speaks to who you know, guys stepping up like him

648
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: and Peterson and Eddie Rosario and Duval when guy like

649
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: Acuna goes down and they don't have a picture like

650
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: Soroka all season. But you know, if I wouldn't be

651
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: upset if our everyday dah in twenty twenty two was

652
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: a guy like Solare because I think his power and

653
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: obviously we saw it in Coffin Stadium, a ballpark again

654
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: that plays more for pictures. You know, it'd be something

655
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: that could benefit our lineup, a lineup that finished with

656
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: the team ops plus of like eighty seven, like I believe,

657
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: we were twenty eighth in the majors and total ops plus.

658
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: So the offensive shortcomings continue. But those are two outfielders

659
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: that I kind of wanted to make note of, Guys

660
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: that I think we pluck him from the same division

661
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: right now and just insert them in our ballpark.

662
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's our first intersection on jock Jack Peterson

663
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: is the one that we both came up with independently,

664
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: echoing a lot of stuff that you said that he

665
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: was somebody that I thought made a lot of sense

666
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: entering last year. As it turns out, he went to

667
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: the Cubs because they promised like an every day playing

668
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: time and that lasted a little while, and then it

669
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: just turned out that he's he's mostly a platoon hitter,

670
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: but he's a pretty useful platoon guy that does play

671
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of each of those outfield spots, at

672
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: least from what we know about him during these playoff

673
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: runs that he had with the Dodgers and now with

674
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: the Braves. He is a very interesting clubhouse guy and

675
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: a good ambassador for the team for whatever point you

676
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: give to him about that. And he's still relatively young

677
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: compared to most of these other free agents. So I'm

678
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: really on board with that. One other outfielder, this would

679
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: be a trade candidate, and it's another actual current Yankee,

680
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: So I want to like stay away from the Yankees

681
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: moving forward. But Clint Frasier is a name that was

682
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: at least on Marlin's Twitter. He was a name that

683
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: I saw constantly in like twenty nineteen when he was

684
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: seen to be really putting it all together. As you

685
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: mentioned with Talkman, that was a year where the Yankees

686
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: were like ravaged by injuries and they had to lean

687
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: on guys that they weren't expecting to lean on and

688
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: clude Fraser. Like there was an extended stretch in there

689
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: where he's playing every day and he was hitting pretty well.

690
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: His defense was terrible in that first stint, but they

691
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: kind of just needed the bat in there, and he

692
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: had twelve home runs in two hundred and forty six

693
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: played appearances. That's pretty awesome, even in like a tiny ballpark.

694
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: Then last year. In the shortened season, I feel like

695
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: it kind of went under the radar that he was

696
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: excellent again. Not he didn't play the full year. I

697
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: think he had some minor injury in there, if not COVID,

698
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: but he had a nine to oh five OPS in

699
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: the shortened season last year as well, got on base

700
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: a ton, just did everything you want. And this year

701
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: he's another bi loguy because he's coming off a disaster

702
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: of a year where he didn't perform at all. He

703
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: hit one eighty six with a six thirty three OPS

704
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: and he has been out like his entire second half

705
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: of the year was wiped out by vertigo and by dizzyness,

706
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: where they, as far as I've been able to follow

707
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: on the news updates, I don't think they really like

708
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: totally got him over the hump and like trying to

709
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: feel normal again and trying to be a player again.

710
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: It's not a physical injury, but it's yeah, it's vertigo.

711
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: It's him not being able to like be do athletic

712
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: activities in the way that you're supposed to do. So

713
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: it's a pretty scary situation for his future at the moment,

714
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: for a team that is always seemingly in win now mode,

715
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: we know has plenty They kind of have have their

716
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: outfield accounted for as it is between Stanton and Judge

717
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: and Joey gallow still has a year left on his

718
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: deal and Aaron Hicks coming back from an injury. That

719
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: that for a team that's like under those kind of expectations.

720
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: For someone that I thought the Marlins might be able

721
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: to like make some sort of creative trade for earlier

722
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: in the rebuild, this would be an opportunity to not

723
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: really give up much of anything at this point, to

724
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: just give him a shot. What I mean, aside from

725
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: the production, what I love about him is this, he

726
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: has this really innate ability to find the barrel and

727
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: to get it on his sweet spot. You can look

728
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: at his barrel rate is like ten percent, where the

729
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: league average is more like and same thing with just

730
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: making really great quality contacts again and again and again.

731
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: He does swing and miss a lot. His defense is

732
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: kind of still up for debate. I just feel like

733
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: he's someone that would be pretty obviously available if the

734
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: Marlins would dip even a tiny bit into their younger

735
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: pitching depth and be able to give him a shot

736
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: where exactly he fits, I think he probably just give

737
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: him a lot of playing time in left field, probably

738
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: to go to compliment with the guys they already have.

739
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: It's just so important at those outfield spots to try

740
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: to prioritize power, And of course you kind of hit

741
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: it on the head with both Peterson and Solaire. This

742
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: is someone in Frasier that in about the equivalent he's

743
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: on like a twenty plus home run pace for his

744
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: career per season, if he wanted to extrapolate that out,

745
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: and I think the potential is a lot higher than

746
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: that moving forward, even with like a change in ballpark.

747
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: When you get the ball in the barrel, that's the

748
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that goes out no matter where you play.

749
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: So he's somebody that if he's physically right, I think

750
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: he's worth taking a flyer on and some sort of

751
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: pitching for hitting trade.

752
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: And he Yeah, he eventually needs to play every day

753
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: because obviously, I mean, thirty nine games in twenty twenty

754
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: isn't enough to prove maybe that he belongs per se,

755
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: Although it took like fifty games for Brian Dela Cruz

756
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: to kind of become the savior unofficially in Miami in

757
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: some regards, as far as the position player court is concerned.

758
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, Clint Frader has to play every day.

759
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: I think he's one of those guys that's kind of

760
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: just been mismanaged. The Indians drafted him, they traded him

761
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: to the Yankees, they obviously, you know, just didn't you know,

762
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: utilize him well because he just didn't get consistent playing time.

763
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 2: We know about how bad the defense is, and yeah,

764
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: the problems that he has, you know, they festered over

765
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 2: the years, but a lot of that I think is

766
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: due to be overall just inconsistent string of playing time

767
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: that he's received. It scared me in one regard if

768
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 2: we acquire a guy like that, but knowing the upside

769
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: and knowing how touted he was being drafted out of

770
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: high school, I believe he was drafted in the same

771
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: class as Austin Meadows, and both of them played against

772
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: each other in high school. And there's I mean, that's

773
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 2: a literally you literally can like look at those two

774
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: in a very light way that you would Harper Trout

775
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: in that they really broke out of the scene in

776
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: the same time and their their developments have kind of

777
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: been hitted against each other. Whereas Meadows has gotten. He

778
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: got consistent playing time for a short time in Pittsburgh

779
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: and then Tampa. He's obviously become a he was an

780
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: All Star, and he's a great defender. It's for power

781
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: he gets on base, he can run a little bit,

782
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: where Frasier kind of possesses some of that. But he's

783
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: just never gotten the ability to play every day on

784
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 2: a consistent basis, and he's never had that full time

785
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: security of knowing, like listen, I got time to make corrections,

786
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: and he's been up a slew of times over the

787
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: course of the last five years. But apparently he hasn't

788
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: done enough, especially when you have a guy like Stanton

789
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: who's under contract and Judge who is honestly just the

790
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: epitome of a consistently great hitter to you know, merit

791
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: that full time job in left field, and Brett Gardner

792
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: obviously never went anywhere. So it's hard. It's hard. I mean,

793
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be the worst thing of the Marlins did that.

794
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: I mean my money. Honestly, I think if we're gonna

795
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: be competitive next year, let's go with a veteran, a

796
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: guy who has a proven postseason track record, And I

797
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: believe Fraser did have some offensive shortcomings in the playoffs

798
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: as well, but you know, stranger things have happened. Bab

799
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: Ruth got traded for a play So what are you

800
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: gonna do if you want? We can move on to infielders,

801
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: because there's definitely a lot of guys that we can

802
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: discuss there. And yeah, yeah, so we So we talked

803
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 2: about outfielders, talk about Catcher. The first guy that stuck

804
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: out to it stood out to me was and you know,

805
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 2: and when I talk about guys that can move over

806
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: across the field, I've said a million times how much

807
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: I want Kim Aang to call Chris Taylor's agent give

808
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: him a check a kin to like what ben Ziebersk

809
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 2: got with the Cubs. Four for sixty four I believe was.

810
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, even less. I think four for fifty six.

811
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: Much right, yes, four for see Snober's got four years

812
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: fifty six million, about what like fourteen million dollars a

813
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: year for a guy who's gonna play second base in

814
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 2: the corner outfield positions, gets on base, doesn't strike out.

815
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: A very poor man's version of Chris Taylor, albeit with

816
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 2: about the same type of power, if not more, if

817
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: he's playing every day is Brad Miller. Brad Miller I

818
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: will clarify this. He's had a couple of He had

819
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: one season when Tampa, I believe he hit over thirty

820
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: home runs. He's kind of like a positionless guy, though

821
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: everywhere he's played all over the field, he's been below

822
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: average as far as the metrics go. He's like the

823
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: anti k k Hernandez, where he k you could plug

824
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: him in anywhere and you're gonna get average to slightly

825
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: above average defront defense. Same thing with Taylor. But Bradon

826
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: Miller possesses like Duval did when we brought him on,

827
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: is a guy who can hit the ball out of

828
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: the ballpark. And he did it in Philadelphia last year,

829
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: and he did it again this year. We did it

830
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 2: Saint Louis the previous year. My apologies, but you know

831
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: point four our war. He had three hundred seventy seven

832
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: player princes. He had twenty home runs, three twenty one

833
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: on base four fifty three slug all while playing games

834
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: at first base, second base, third base, shortstop, corner, ralphield positions,

835
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: even sometime at centerfield. He while he's not the best defender,

836
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: and you can look at metrics like defensive war, total

837
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 2: zone or d war to look at the kind of gauge,

838
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: how poor or you know, you know, not great. He's

839
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: been defensively, you'll see that. But you know you need

840
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: utility players like that who could spell guys and you

841
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 2: know we may you know, even if any Brad Miller

842
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: means we may lose a game or two late because

843
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: he's playing shaky defense at wherever he is. You know,

844
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: the power, the power is just the alluring thing. I mean,

845
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: even if we're home runs aren't as sexy as thing

846
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: as they used to be. You know, he could be

847
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: a guy who could hit a walk off home run

848
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: for us late or you know, get a big hit

849
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: late in a game to help us win game or two.

850
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,479
Speaker 2: And I think that's you know, I think that says

851
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: something about about you know, going after a guy, pursuing

852
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 2: a guy with the ability to hit the long ball,

853
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: and he knows the division. If he's played in Philadelphia,

854
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: he's played in Florida before, he played with the Rays.

855
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: He's moved around a little bit. But again it's the

856
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: idea of just having somebody who can come off your

857
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: bench and at any time could hit a home run.

858
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: I think is something that we are lacking on our

859
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: bench and could benefit from.

860
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is is built pretty well, I'd say in

861
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: this current situation with the National League not having a DH,

862
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: the fact that you have to use pinch hitters a lot.

863
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: Let me see how often he actually was used as

864
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: a pinch hitter this year. I imagine it was like a

865
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: ton Yeah, fifty six games, fifty one Yeah, fifty six

866
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: times he was used as a pinch hitter, and he

867
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: did even better in those situations that he did overall

868
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: eight ten ops in those situations. I guess you could

869
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: like translate that the other way that pinch hitting has

870
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: a lot in common with being a DH, and if

871
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: there are opportunities next year to get starts, especially against

872
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: Righty's to be a DH, that he's the guy that

873
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: seems like he already understands the rhythm of that kind

874
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: of role and being able to fill it. One other

875
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: veteran infielder that you brought up before the show that

876
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: actually hadn't occurred to me was Jedel Lowry, who is

877
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: going to be a free agent again, and he's really

878
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: on the older side at this point of his career,

879
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: but if you look at his career carefully, you know

880
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: that age isn't really the most important thing. The most

881
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: important thing is just when he, like for whatever reason,

882
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: plays for the Oakland A's like that South the best

883
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: in him, like this past season, especially early on this year,

884
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: because you look at the overall stats this year and

885
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: they don't really pop out that much, but early in

886
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: the season he did have a pretty extended stretch of

887
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: being a really solid average player. He was basically their

888
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: every day second basement for a pretty extended stretch. With

889
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: most importantly, he has that history of being at several

890
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: infield spots, not quite as many positions as Miller, but

891
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: he seems to be, you know, more competent at those

892
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: positions than Miller is at second base, at third base,

893
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: and for a good chunk of his career at shortstop.

894
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: I think you have to imagine now that he's going

895
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: to be thirty eight, you know, shortly after opening Day,

896
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: he's not going to be playing shortstop anymore. But I

897
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: love all these guys. We're going to be getting to

898
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: them like later in the series because some of them

899
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: were just a little too good to actually fit in

900
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: this portion of the pod because of how valuable they

901
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: were and Lowry is Lowery fits because he was right

902
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: around a replacement level. But all these guys, they can

903
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: play both second base and third base at the same

904
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: time and can hit a little bit. That is a

905
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: kind of player that really specifically they desperately need, desperately need.

906
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: As for I mean, it's a combination of insurance for

907
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: Brian Anderson coming off surgery with Jazz, the way that

908
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: Jazz plays, we love it, but it's he gets into

909
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: all these situations where you just worry about him taking

910
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: the wrong type of hit and suffering a serious injury.

911
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: And even when he doesn't, there are always these little

912
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: things that precautionarily, like take him out for a few

913
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: days at a time. That having somebody that plays those

914
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: particular positions gets on base a little bit, It has

915
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: that type of power. Anybody that fits that description, they

916
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: needs to be on their list for sure.

917
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 2: Another guy who kind of fits the description too is

918
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: though it's the last infielder I noted was at Stribl Cabrero,

919
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: and he could be a guy like you noted with Talkman,

920
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: where you don't necessarily have to give him a major

921
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: league deal. He could be on a minor league deal.

922
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: He is believe he's going to be third eight come

923
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 2: to start of the season. So he is a little

924
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: bit older. But if you look at his career, very understated.

925
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, with this conversation centers on war

926
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: and guys have a bad years or good years. But

927
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: if you look at his career, he he's a thirty

928
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: War player over the course of his career, and a

929
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: lot could be said about you know, to put up

930
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: twenty War as I'm president. I mean, Jay Bruce had

931
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: over three in her home runs. He finished slightly below

932
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 2: twenty wins above replacement because of you know, the defense,

933
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: and obviously he's not a big he wasn't a great

934
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 2: base runner, but at schuwol Cabrero nearly forty offensive War.

935
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: He's for the majority of his career he's been a

936
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: below average defender, but like Brad Miller, possesses the ability

937
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: to hit the occasional home run, and he can play

938
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: third base, he can play second base, he was a

939
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: shortstop at one point. He has postseason experience with the Nationals.

940
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: He won a World Series with them. He you know,

941
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: I think there's any of these guys would produce better

942
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: than what Joe Panic did. In his twenty five thirty

943
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: ops plus in his short but less than an illustrious

944
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: stint in Miami. You know, but like having guys who can,

945
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 2: and we've even seen in recent years as Stupral Corbre

946
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: has said, you know, I'm not just a second base

947
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: in or a third baseman. I'll play first base if

948
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: you need me to. Guys like that are valuable, especially

949
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: too when you consider Garrett Cooper, who may look to

950
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: be a first baseman DH type next year if he's

951
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: not healthy. A security blanket to at least get some

952
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: spots starts at first base, Asterripa Correra is not bad,

953
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: especially to when you consider the fact that he still

954
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: can at any time, even at his age. You know,

955
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: he's hit two hundred plus home runs, hit one out,

956
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: and you know he's going to plan a division in

957
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: Atlanta at Philadelphia where he's gonna have a couple of

958
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: ballparks where he'd be able to do some do some

959
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: damage offensively. But you know, I mean, he's not going

960
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: to be expensive, he's older. You know, you're not going

961
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: to get great defense, but you could do a lot worse.

962
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, as we get more into this series,

963
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: we'll get to guys who can make more of a

964
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: tangible difference.

965
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: But and with as Drew Bill, I remember very vividly

966
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 1: when he got He was playing against the Marlins early

967
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: in the year when he got hurt. He I remember

968
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: the play I guess was his hamstring or something like that,

969
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: and you like knew it in the moment that it

970
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: was an injury, and it didn't actually keep him out

971
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: that long, only a few weeks. When he got back,

972
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: that's when he was never the same guys who was

973
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: early in the year. At the time of that injury,

974
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: he had an eight to sixty six ops at that age,

975
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: which is pretty incredible. He's getting on base forty percent

976
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: of the time, and I guess to be if you

977
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: want to be realistic about expectations moving forward, you would

978
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: take probably the larger sample after the injury the final

979
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: four months of the season. So I don't want to

980
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: like sugar coded one way or the other. It is

981
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: always just something that intrigues me when you see a

982
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: somewhat extended stretch of the season where a guy hits

983
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: at a great level. He was hitting at that great

984
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: level through almost the first quarter of the season, so

985
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: that alone has to be pretty exciting. And so who

986
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: else is left on your list? We'll just run through

987
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: them pretty quickly.

988
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 2: The last guy had was another kind of flyer guy,

989
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 2: and this is really the last guy I wanted to highlight.

990
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: And again this is really just like a last attempt

991
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 2: at salvaging anything. Aaron Sanchez. Look twenty sixteen, he won

992
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: the RA title in the American League only that was

993
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: his first full season in the majors. That was the

994
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: year I believe he finished third and say young, voting

995
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: to Rick Porcello and Justin Verlander. He had a three

996
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: ERA that year. He wasn't terrible with San Francisco this year,

997
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: but again it's the consistent string of injuries that have

998
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 2: kind of ruined what we at once thought was a

999
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: promising big league career. I mean, I remember when he debuted,

1000
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 2: you know, maybe be against the Red Sox in Toronto.

1001
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: He was throwing ninety six to one hundred with a

1002
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: great change up and good off and good breaking stuff.

1003
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: You know. Now his fastball was you know, barely a

1004
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: takeover ninety last season, but then again he had a

1005
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: three or six CRA four five fifth and thirty five innings. Obviously,

1006
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: the bat missing bats wasn't there, and the injury history

1007
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 2: is very concerning. You know, he's only twenty nine though,

1008
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: and you know, obviously Father Time is undefeated, and it's

1009
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: not a good indicator if you've been hurt to the

1010
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: little link that he has at this stage of his career.

1011
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: But you know, you can reclamation projects are almost more

1012
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: fun to root for than the team itself. Just watching

1013
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: a guy kind of come back, and we saw what

1014
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: Francisco Ariano and Pittsburgh, we saw it to the extent.

1015
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: I remember at one point, John Mayne came back with

1016
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: the Marlins in twenty thirteen after not pitching for a

1017
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: while with the New York Mets. Obviously that can go

1018
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: so well, but he made it back to the big league.

1019
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 2: Scott Kashmir this year with the Giants, and you know,

1020
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 2: the Giants succeeded at the outset when they were pitched,

1021
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 2: when they were playing very well at the start of

1022
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: the season. Aaron Sanchez was a very small part, but

1023
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: again still a part of the reason why they played

1024
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: the way they did it the first part of the season. Again,

1025
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 2: that's a guy where you're just kind of saying, we'll

1026
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 2: give you a minor league deal. Communist spring training. Show

1027
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: us what you have, show us that you're healthy. And

1028
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: you know, even if he's a guy that's given you

1029
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: four innings, you can the way that pitchers are used nowadays,

1030
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 2: the amount of data that we have have forward thinking,

1031
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 2: the likes of Jeter, kim Ang and everybody in the

1032
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: Marlins front office appears to be you could find a

1033
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: role for him. And you know, if we get even

1034
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: if we get fifty innings out of him as a reliever,

1035
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 2: it's you know, it could be worse. But again, and

1036
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: if he's twenty nine, and we obviously we saw what

1037
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: kim Ang did in the first year. She took a

1038
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: guy like Steven Oker who hadn't pitched in the big

1039
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: leagues in two three years yea, and he put together

1040
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 2: a sub three ra He was excellent for the Marlins.

1041
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: And you know a lot of that is kim Hang

1042
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: and al Sodomeyer. You know, they can obviously work with

1043
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: guys who were, not to say cast offs, because Sanchez

1044
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 2: was at one point one of the more promising pickers

1045
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: in the sport, but they can at least find something

1046
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: that has been missing from them in a lot for

1047
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: them for a while. And I mean, he's always intriguing

1048
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: because I thought his stuff was great. I mean, I

1049
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 2: remember when Houston acquired him. His first start, he pitched

1050
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: six them ad innings and they threw a combined no

1051
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: hitter against the Mariners in twenty nineteen. Guys like that, like,

1052
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: there's obviously something still there. He just needs to be

1053
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: healthy enough to be able to showcase that on a

1054
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: consistent basis.

1055
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: A somewhat comparable player. This will be the final one

1056
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: that I'll finish on who is also so mainly a

1057
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: starting pitcher, not quite the same desperation level of like

1058
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: being reclamation project, but definitely coming off a really bad

1059
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: year and now testing free agency for the first time.

1060
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: Would be a potential reunion with Andrew Heeney, former Marlins

1061
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: first round draft pick, who had been almost his entire

1062
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: career since that trade. He'd been with the Angels. He

1063
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: had some nice moments with the Angels, he had some

1064
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: injuries with the Angels. The last couple of years he'd

1065
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: been healthy with like some good results, and then this

1066
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: year just a really wacky year where all the way

1067
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: up until the trade deadline, there was that huge disparity

1068
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: between his era, which was pretty high into the fives

1069
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: and his FIP which was right around four. And I

1070
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: remember he got so he got traded to the Yankees

1071
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: mid season, and he was saying the right things about

1072
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: how he just felt that things would even out, that

1073
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: he still believed in his ability because the peripherals were

1074
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: still really solid if you're doing that as a starter,

1075
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: and they did not even out like it was a

1076
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: disaster down the stretch he was You'd have to put

1077
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: him near the top of the list of the worst

1078
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: trade deadline acquisitions. And I mean the main undoing with

1079
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: him was the home runs. He allowed sixteen before the trade,

1080
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: which was a problem. He allowed thirteen after the trade,

1081
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: which like I can't even put into words, like how

1082
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: insane that is. Like by the end of the year,

1083
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: let me see what the official roster move is, I

1084
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: think they did. Dam Yeah, they didn't even like give

1085
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: them the courtesy of technically finishing the year on their

1086
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: roster because he couldn't do anything for them, even though

1087
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: I mean the key is that, I mean, he struck

1088
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: out twenty seven percent of the batters he faced, as

1089
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: again as a mostly starting pitcher. Towards the end, they

1090
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: tried him in like long relief, low leverage stuff, his

1091
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: raw stuff. It's kind of like Aaron Sanchez, where like

1092
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: his v low is not overwhelming at this point, he

1093
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: does have a pretty unorthodox release point and is the

1094
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: movement on his breaking ball has always been really curious.

1095
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: He seems like a guy that could break out this

1096
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: year and instead went in the opposite direction. And it's

1097
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: not the worst possible thing to go into free agency

1098
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: on that note. And I mean, we know that the

1099
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: Marlins aren't desperate for starting pitching, but kind of the

1100
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: key with him, I guess at the end of the

1101
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: year he didn't really have an option, but they moving

1102
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: him to the bullpen. If it's somebody that's at least

1103
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: a little open minded about their role and about how

1104
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: they're being used as being perhaps a player that works

1105
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: best if he's only working a few innings at a time,

1106
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: three or four innings at a time. The Marlins haven't

1107
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: used pitchers that often that way to this point. But

1108
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: if there's somebody that we think can miss bats, that

1109
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: has a lot of big league experience, that I think

1110
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: he's just somebody that I'm curious about. So I don't

1111
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: know what his market is coming off the season. That

1112
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: he has. We know these teams are smart, Like they

1113
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: know he's better than a five point eighty three er.

1114
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: They know he's I guess overall by Baseball Reference War,

1115
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: he was zero point three WAR. I think his market

1116
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: is a little bit higher than the stats would indicate,

1117
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: but like still in a situation where it's definitely a

1118
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: one year deal, it's definitely a really low number. And

1119
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: I'm just fascinated by those type of guys because even

1120
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: though like pitching is the strength of the team, that

1121
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they can go one hundred percent on

1122
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: their internal options and expect to be like a contenter.

1123
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: Like there's still little things on the margins that they'll

1124
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: have to take shots on. And he's one of those

1125
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: guys that I would take a shot on if the

1126
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: market is right.

1127
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, whenever I watch him pitch, because even living in

1128
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: the East Coast, a lot of MLB network does tend

1129
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: to air a lot of West Coast games at night,

1130
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: I see a guy who he's you know, we talk

1131
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 2: about velocity. He's about ninety one to ninety three with

1132
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: his fastball, but you'd kind of think, I mean, hitters

1133
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: obviously are chasing launch angle, we're living in generation lawn Jangle.

1134
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: I mean when guys like Mark Trumbo. To me, Mark

1135
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 2: Trumbo was one of the guys who really first took

1136
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 2: hold of that, and they're like, yeah, I'm going to

1137
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: tailor my swing to this approach. As a hitter, he

1138
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: is a guy who, for as much as we'd like

1139
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: to call him a finesse pitcher in this era, in

1140
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 2: the context of this era, he's a guy that, you know,

1141
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: the strikeouts come from the fact that guys are chasing

1142
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 2: high fastballs, you know, more than ever nowadays. A lot

1143
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: of the home runs he allows are on fastballs that

1144
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: are left up in the zone or breaking balls that

1145
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: just don't break. You know, if you're throwing ninety two

1146
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: up in the zone to a guy in the American

1147
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: League that you know, that looks like batting practice, at

1148
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: this point, he's gonna get hurt. You know. There obviously

1149
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: has to be a mechanical adjustment, you know. I it's

1150
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: so funny. Whenever I see a picture have a horrendous

1151
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: season on the eve of free agency, I'm always just

1152
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: hoping for one thing, and then they go to team

1153
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: of Houston, because obviously Houston can take a guy and

1154
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: show him like, hey, you're doing this wrong and you

1155
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: should be doing this more. And like they worked for

1156
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: a guy they go to Rizzy this year, it's worked

1157
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: for guys like Brooks Rayley who are pretty much nothings.

1158
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Keeney. I'm not saying that the Marlins don't

1159
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: have the brass and the brains to be able to

1160
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: do that. I just be scared, like having a fly

1161
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 2: ball pitcher who's not throwing overtly hard in this ballpark.

1162
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 2: I mean, we got away with it somewhat with Oker

1163
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: out of the bullpen, and he could be a guy

1164
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: coming out of the bullpen, you know, a lefty, almost

1165
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 2: an Andrew Miller type where it hasn't worked as a starter.

1166
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: I mean, he never posted in the array below four

1167
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: point one point five in his time with the Angels,

1168
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: and you'd think he would have pitched better considering the

1169
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 2: ballpark that they play in, but things just didn't work out.

1170
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: And I mean his first out of the Yankees gave

1171
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: four home runs. He was the first pitchering Yankees systory

1172
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: to left four home runs its team debut. It's the

1173
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 2: knack for throwing. You know, just I'll say it again,

1174
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: you know, just you can't. You're not gonna get away

1175
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 2: with much if you're not overpowering guys up on the

1176
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 2: zone with a fastball that's you know, ninety one to

1177
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 2: ninety three. It's not gonna unless you're Clayton kershaw On

1178
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: you have pinpoint control, and he doesn't have bad command.

1179
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: He's relatively good at commanding the strike zone. You're just

1180
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: not gonna get away with much because all we I mean,

1181
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: he's at this point, he's a two pitch pitcher, like

1182
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: you're saying, he's if he stays in the majors, he's

1183
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: a reliever. He's a two pitch guy, fastball slider who

1184
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: could have success. But I think as a starter, you know,

1185
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: that's kind of on its course.

1186
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have the specific plan to figure him out,

1187
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: but he's somebody. He's kind of that type of pitcher

1188
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: that if they are going to make any sort of

1189
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: investment in starting pitching, it seems like it'd be that

1190
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: type of guy. It would definitely be a one year

1191
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: deal for somebody that has decent experience and has at

1192
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: least in the past couple year, has been healthy and

1193
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Because they were they were missing, they

1194
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: were totally missing that this season, and if they have

1195
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: a lot more pressure to be successful next year, I

1196
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: think they need to do something in that general area.

1197
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: But I think we agree that we know their priorities

1198
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: are going to be in that catcher and be outfields

1199
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: and going to be in those even infield depth on

1200
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: the definitely on the position player side, that stuff will

1201
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: be covering on this series, on this Marlins offseason shopping

1202
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: podcast series. I think the tented to plan is to

1203
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: make this five episodes once once a week. As we

1204
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: move up the chain, we're gonna we promise we're gonna

1205
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: move up to players that are actually good guys that

1206
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: at least are coming off good seasons compared to the

1207
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: ones this uh that we covered here in Iowa. One

1208
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: that's Lewis Addio Weiss, Eli Susman. Thanks everybody for spending

1209
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: this hour with us. If you guys, in your own research,

1210
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: you come across any players that fit this bill that

1211
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: we're right around replacement level or worse last year, that

1212
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: you think Marlins could match up with and free agency

1213
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: or trade, you know you know how to find us

1214
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: and just let us know who that player is and

1215
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: why you think that would make sense. But again we'll

1216
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: be back with this moving up the chain on this

1217
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: to ASLE two coming up hopefully next week here on

1218
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: the podcast. Thanks everybody for listening. As always, go Fish,

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01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: Go Fish,