Speaker 1: H how many things are different since we met, since
Speaker 1: before the pandemic, how my life has changed, and how
Speaker 1: a lot of people's life and how things that you
Speaker 1: didn't realize were so important really the important thing, right,
Speaker 1: it's not just your career, and it's not just you know,
Speaker 1: how you show up at work, it's just it's really
Speaker 1: the words that come out of your mouth and how
Speaker 1: you live your life. Bobby, I'm so excited that we're
Speaker 1: talking to Charlemagne that God today. Well you're excited, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm kind of nervous and I've met him and he
Speaker 1: was so nice. But I don't know why. I'm not
Speaker 1: usually nervous, but I just know he's so opinionated and
Speaker 1: so strong, and I just, you know, want I want
Speaker 1: to make sure that we're not boring him. I'm nervous
Speaker 1: about interviewing him a bit too, though, because he's an
Speaker 1: amazing interviewer obviously, like he does what we're doing basically
Speaker 1: all day long, and so I don't even know how
Speaker 1: going to get a question straight because I feel like
Speaker 1: he's probably been asked to everything a million times over.
Speaker 1: But I'm still so excited to hear from him and
Speaker 1: hear what he's got to say about the important things.
Speaker 1: So here we go. I can't wait to dive in
Speaker 1: and see what he has to say. Hey, Charlemagne, how
Speaker 1: are you Bobby here? How are you Bobby? What's happening? Um?
Speaker 1: You know, a lot too much to go over on
Speaker 1: this podcast. We'll have to follow up on our dinner
Speaker 1: and have a nice cocktail and then I'll tell you everything.
Speaker 1: I'm let me, let me. Yeah. So if you remember,
Speaker 1: we met at our friend Elvis Durand's wedding a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, and you know, it was really fun
Speaker 1: meeting you, and I am now on my heart and
Speaker 1: I wanted to, you know, to see if I could
Speaker 1: get you on this podcast, and thank you to your bosses.
Speaker 1: They somehow talked you into it, so thank you. We
Speaker 1: had to, Paul. I'm happy to be and meet on
Speaker 1: Julie who is my co host, and just you'll get
Speaker 1: to know us because I don't do any research and
Speaker 1: just come up with whatever comes into my head. And
Speaker 1: she spends days and days and every article that she
Speaker 1: could kind of tell me everything that's going on. So
Speaker 1: that's us. Hi, it's so nice to meet you, Charlemagne.
Speaker 1: I'm such a fan, and I've been doing a deep
Speaker 1: dive into your work the past few days, so I
Speaker 1: can nerd out on anything with you right now. But
Speaker 1: it's so good to meet you. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for making the time. I'm happy to be Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: you're very busy man, so we appreciate it. Thank you
Speaker 1: for having Yeah. Well, the first thing is, since probably
Speaker 1: a lot of my audience might not be as familiar
Speaker 1: with you as the rest of the world is, and
Speaker 1: I could spend an hour going through your history and
Speaker 1: I've listened. I have listened to the Bob Pittman podcast,
Speaker 1: which is one of my favorites. But couldn't you tell
Speaker 1: everyone a little bit about you? And I'm just so
Speaker 1: curious what you're going to say. Um, that's a broad question. Uh.
Speaker 1: I am a father, I am a husband, Um, I
Speaker 1: am a great friend, and I am multi media personality.
Speaker 1: So that's radio, television, podcast, you know, books, and whatever
Speaker 1: other platform voices can be heard. You know nowadays not
Speaker 1: so much social media only because a lot of all
Speaker 1: of the content that you know, I do, whether it's radio,
Speaker 1: whether it's television, whether it's podcast, it ends up on
Speaker 1: social media anyway. So I don't feel the need to,
Speaker 1: you know, be a social media personality as well. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of people, how could you possibly find the time?
Speaker 1: You have four daughters? Is that correct? Well, beautiful princesses,
Speaker 1: that's right, well, beautiful princess and ranging from ages two
Speaker 1: months I think three months to thirteen is all right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: thirteen and now the oldest thirteen, six three and six months.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Wow, with your beautiful wife, with my beautiful wife.
Speaker 1: And it's it's so interesting being a father because it's
Speaker 1: just like every day you get questions that you don't
Speaker 1: even bother to see what the answers are, Like, I
Speaker 1: have no idea why now right now in our house
Speaker 1: we don't talk about Bruno. I have no idea you'd
Speaker 1: never talked about Bruno. Made the mistake of finally asking
Speaker 1: earlier this after, like why don't we talk about Bruno?
Speaker 1: And it was like no, like no, no, no, we
Speaker 1: don't talk about Bruno. I'm like, okay, Bobby, that's a
Speaker 1: that's an en content reference, Bobby. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know about in content because you don't have little
Speaker 1: ones at home, so I don't I have three sons, Charlemagne,
Speaker 1: who you know two are married, one is on his
Speaker 1: way up, and U a couple of daughter in laws
Speaker 1: and soon a granddaughter. So I'm looking forward to the girls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sucked. But you know, this podcast is not
Speaker 1: about all your amazing you know work you do and
Speaker 1: all the givebacks and you know, your opinions and just
Speaker 1: the powerfulness of everything. It's really called the important things
Speaker 1: because I would love to hear like how things have
Speaker 1: changed in the past couple of years. Especially, Oh man,
Speaker 1: that's a great question. Um. You know for me, that's
Speaker 1: why when you ask me who am I at this
Speaker 1: point in my life, that's what I really see myself
Speaker 1: as a father, a husband, a great friend. Everything else
Speaker 1: comes after that. And you know, um, I started, I
Speaker 1: started going on this journey of like healing, of self
Speaker 1: exploration probably like five was six years ago, and that included,
Speaker 1: but wasn't limited to, you know, therapy, you know, meditation, um,
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot a lot more just you know,
Speaker 1: seeking what what what my what my true purpose here is?
Speaker 1: Even though I always felt like it was service to others,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of like, you know, what did
Speaker 1: that mean? And I just knew it started with me,
Speaker 1: you know, and Michael Jackson said, you know, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the man in the mirror. I'm asking him to
Speaker 1: change his ways. You know, no message could be any clear.
Speaker 1: If you want to make the word a better place,
Speaker 1: you got look in the mirror and make a change.
Speaker 1: So I started with me, and so by the time
Speaker 1: the pandemic came around, I honestly truly don't know what
Speaker 1: I would have done with myself if I hadn't started
Speaker 1: that self exploration, you know, a few years prior, because
Speaker 1: I think, you know, when the pandemic happened, a lot
Speaker 1: of us were forced to be still and we didn't
Speaker 1: like what we saw. You know, we didn't like what
Speaker 1: we were telling ourselves. You know, we were a lot
Speaker 1: of us were forced to deal with ourselves, you know,
Speaker 1: for the first time. But for me, man, it just
Speaker 1: made me realize even more so, what's what's more important.
Speaker 1: So that's when that circle that you have trimmed down
Speaker 1: right for your own mental well being, that's when, during
Speaker 1: the pandemic, that strucle turned to a dot like like
Speaker 1: it was just like a straight up dot. And it
Speaker 1: was almost like the people I saw that year, literally,
Speaker 1: the people I saw that year, I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: the few people I saw that year literally are the
Speaker 1: people that I know I want to be around, you know,
Speaker 1: for the for for the rest of my life. And
Speaker 1: it's been very difficult, you know, even readjusting back to
Speaker 1: the world because I don't really want to go nowhere.
Speaker 1: I like being with my daughters. I like being with
Speaker 1: my wife, I like, you know, doing things amongst each other,
Speaker 1: like I don't. I don't really care about anything else
Speaker 1: at this point when you ask me what's important, Yes,
Speaker 1: definitely family, definitely, you know, great friends, and you know,
Speaker 1: definitely just constantly, you know, getting connected to that that
Speaker 1: that God and and for me, when the pandemic hit
Speaker 1: and I literally could take everything on my entire calendar
Speaker 1: and just delete it, it was one of the most
Speaker 1: freeing things I've ever been through. And I'm I'm kind
Speaker 1: of going through, probably in a smaller way what you are.
Speaker 1: They're all coming back and I feel like I got
Speaker 1: this baseball bat. Do you want to speak at this thing?
Speaker 1: Do you want to do this? Like? You can't do
Speaker 1: it all? Right? So how are you How are you
Speaker 1: making your decisions right now? Because you've seemed to be
Speaker 1: taking on more and more well, I think business wise,
Speaker 1: I'm doing things that I that I genuinely want to do.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing things because you know, there's money involved.
Speaker 1: I'm doing like like I have a podcast network because
Speaker 1: I'm really into you know, assisting people and getting their
Speaker 1: voices out. You know, I have a company with Audible,
Speaker 1: you know, myself and Kevin hardcoll S pH. It is
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's where we're allowing black creators to
Speaker 1: get their voices and get their get their stories out.
Speaker 1: And so it's like, yeah, everything I do is things
Speaker 1: that I want to do far as work is concerned,
Speaker 1: which makes it not feel like work, you know, it's
Speaker 1: the extracurricular things like you know, I'm going to Norfolk
Speaker 1: State this week, Um to go talk to a school?
Speaker 1: Is it a lot to get on a plane and
Speaker 1: fly to Virginia knowing I'd rather be taking my daughter
Speaker 1: to cheerleading or actually it's on Thursday, so she doesn't
Speaker 1: have cheer leading practice, so which is one of the
Speaker 1: reasons that makes me be like Okay, cool, I can
Speaker 1: you know, get away for a second. But would I
Speaker 1: rather be picking her up from school? Yeah? Would I
Speaker 1: rather be sitting around the house on a Thursday afternoon?
Speaker 1: Thursday night with my family. Yes, but I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: to Norfolk State and give it myself just enough, talk
Speaker 1: to these students and come back. So to your point, Bobby, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just easy to say no. I'm a noe person.
Speaker 1: I never would say no before because I also had
Speaker 1: this like imposter syndrome. So I felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: if I didn't keep my hand and everything or cheap
Speaker 1: my face, you know, seen everywhere, then it would be
Speaker 1: like all of this would get taken away from me.
Speaker 1: And it's just like, no, what's for me is for me.
Speaker 1: So you've got two books right now, right, and best
Speaker 1: selling books of course. Yeah, you've got your radio show.
Speaker 1: You've got your podcast network m You've got a late
Speaker 1: night comedy show, Yeah, late night show on Comedy Central
Speaker 1: called The Guys on his True He's got an imprint.
Speaker 1: I think I got a book in print with Simon
Speaker 1: and Shuston. So we put out a couple of We
Speaker 1: put out my friend Tamika Mallory and she put out
Speaker 1: her book State of Emergency, How to Win in the
Speaker 1: Country we built last year and I need a Copax.
Speaker 1: She put out a book called Shallow Waters, A love
Speaker 1: Letter to Miya last year as well, and uh, where
Speaker 1: do we buy those hats? You have? You sell your
Speaker 1: merch Oh, this is actually a friends. This is my
Speaker 1: man l Doom. He has the line called my God
Speaker 1: Versus My Enemies, and you know all his merchants said
Speaker 1: stuff like covered by God, or it says my God
Speaker 1: versus my Enemies, and I I love it just because
Speaker 1: I love those those affirmations because that's how I feel like.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm divinely protected and I've always felt
Speaker 1: like that. I feel like that since I was a
Speaker 1: little a little kid. You know, my mom grew up
Speaker 1: with Jehovah Witt and she's still a jehova with this now.
Speaker 1: My grandmother was a Baptist, so it's like faith. You know,
Speaker 1: religion was always something that was a part of our
Speaker 1: our household. I'm more spiritual now than I am religious.
Speaker 1: But I just recognized that there's something else out there
Speaker 1: that's greater than me. And you know, I've I've felt
Speaker 1: that's something that higher presence on numerous occasions. And you've
Speaker 1: talked about your tough I won't say childhood, but you're
Speaker 1: tough middle school, like when you were getting in trouble
Speaker 1: from having such strict parents that must have been quite
Speaker 1: intense for them. Well, it was interesting because you know,
Speaker 1: I've always said I'm the perfect balance of ratchetness and righteousness,
Speaker 1: and when I look at my parental dynamic, that's the
Speaker 1: same thing. Like my mother was the righteous one, my
Speaker 1: dad was direction you know, but my dad was just
Speaker 1: a man trying to do his best. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: when I first started going to therapy, you know, I
Speaker 1: was going for my anxiety, am about to depression. But
Speaker 1: then I realized like I had some like really serious
Speaker 1: father issues, right because um, it's it felt like my
Speaker 1: father would discipline me for for for not knowing things
Speaker 1: he didn't teach me, you know. And there's no such
Speaker 1: thing as just becoming a man. There's no such thing
Speaker 1: as just becoming a woman like those who came before
Speaker 1: us have to and still certain things in us. So
Speaker 1: you can't get mad at me, you know, because I
Speaker 1: just got my license at sixteen and I ran to
Speaker 1: stop sign if I'm following you literally and you ran
Speaker 1: to stop sign I'm just doing what Dad he did,
Speaker 1: you know that got me smacked in the face when
Speaker 1: I was younger, Right, But it's just like I'm following you.
Speaker 1: So I just realized I had so much you know,
Speaker 1: resentment built up because I didn't really get like the
Speaker 1: love I think that a young man probably needs from
Speaker 1: his his his dad, like you know, back then, I
Speaker 1: co forty three. So I grew up in the time
Speaker 1: where it was like, you didn't hug the boys. You know,
Speaker 1: you didn't kiss the boys. You send the boys out
Speaker 1: to work, and you know, you make them go cut
Speaker 1: the grass and you punch them in their chest if
Speaker 1: they crying like and you don't you tell them don't
Speaker 1: cry like things like that, and you don't even realize
Speaker 1: you're doing that, and you're raising a generation of sociopath
Speaker 1: you're teaching young men, you know, how not to feel.
Speaker 1: So you know, in therapy, I had a lot of
Speaker 1: resentment towards him. But then you know, with me talking
Speaker 1: about my issue with you know, mental health, he started
Speaker 1: opening up to me and it was like the holidays.
Speaker 1: It was it was Thanksgiving around two thousand and eighteen,
Speaker 1: and he told me that you know, he had been
Speaker 1: in therapy, you know, two and three times a week
Speaker 1: for years, and you know he was on tend to
Speaker 1: twelve DIF medications for his mental health. He tried to
Speaker 1: kill himself thirty years ago, and all of that was
Speaker 1: an eye opener for me. But you didn't know any
Speaker 1: of That's how you came forward with your own journey,
Speaker 1: none of that zero. I remember telling my mom, asked
Speaker 1: my mom, like, you know, Dad was dealing with all
Speaker 1: of that, and she was like, I thought he was
Speaker 1: just playing crazy to get a check, you know, but
Speaker 1: he really was dealing with his own issues. And that
Speaker 1: gave me a lot of grace with him, and it
Speaker 1: just let me realize, like you know, he was just
Speaker 1: the man out here trying to do his best, human
Speaker 1: trying to do his best, like we all. How did
Speaker 1: you come to therapy? Then? How did you decide to
Speaker 1: start doing accenter? You wrote the book about your struggle
Speaker 1: with anxiety, um, but was sort of the the pushing point,
Speaker 1: I suppose for the final point that you were like,
Speaker 1: this is something I really need to do for myself.
Speaker 1: If you didn't have that example in her family or
Speaker 1: around you always knew that it was something I had
Speaker 1: to do, only because you know, the the anxiety and
Speaker 1: the depression never got better. Like I first I diagnosed
Speaker 1: with anxiety in two thousands in and it was after
Speaker 1: a life of panic attacks and you know, feeling like
Speaker 1: I'm having a heart attacks and having to go to
Speaker 1: the hospital to check in the emergency room. And then
Speaker 1: this one moment I had a panic attack. I had
Speaker 1: just gotten fired for the fourth time from radio. I
Speaker 1: moved back from New Jersey, was living back home with
Speaker 1: my mom in South Carolina. My now wife was back
Speaker 1: home living with her parents. Our daughter was like one
Speaker 1: or two years old, and like, I really had one
Speaker 1: of those panic attacks where I thought I was gonna die,
Speaker 1: and like the hospital, the doctor just told me, like,
Speaker 1: your your heart is fine, and then you know, I'm
Speaker 1: describing what I experienced and he said it's not I
Speaker 1: mean like you had an anxiety attack. He said, you
Speaker 1: stuffed from anxiety. And I was like, not that I
Speaker 1: know of, and he was like, I just happened to
Speaker 1: you before. And I'm like, yeah several times in my life.
Speaker 1: And I was like, are you stretched out about anything?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, hell yeah, everything in my in my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm like, as long as I get another gig, I'll
Speaker 1: be fine. And next gig I got was the Breakfast
Speaker 1: Club and then you know, he started that in late
Speaker 1: two thousands ten and I've experienced more success than I've
Speaker 1: ever had in my life. I'm making more money and
Speaker 1: I've ever had in my life. And I'm not happy,
Speaker 1: Like I'm still dealing with anxiety, still dealing with the depression.
Speaker 1: I'm feeding my ego and getting caught up in being
Speaker 1: the radio star and I'm out here. You know, I
Speaker 1: got married to my wife in and I loved I
Speaker 1: loved her, and I'm glad that I did. But I
Speaker 1: wasn't doing right by her. You know, I was out
Speaker 1: in the streets with a bunch of different women. You know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing right. I just and and and in
Speaker 1: my mind, I was becoming my father. I was making
Speaker 1: the same mistakes I saw my father make with my mom.
Speaker 1: And I it was that was really causing my anxiety
Speaker 1: to go through the rou because you know, I spent
Speaker 1: my whole life trying not to be like him, you know,
Speaker 1: only to realize I'm becoming, you know, just like him.
Speaker 1: And so thank god, I just knew a lot of
Speaker 1: people who were in there, Like it was a lot
Speaker 1: of people around me, especially you know, the women around me,
Speaker 1: and like, like, guy, I have guy friends who were
Speaker 1: a couple of like two two main guy friends who
Speaker 1: are in therapy, who I used to hear him talk
Speaker 1: about therapy a lot, and I was just ask him
Speaker 1: questions and no, two thousand and sixteen, I just finally
Speaker 1: decided to go. It was actually after I had finished
Speaker 1: my first book. My first book came out in ten,
Speaker 1: but when I finished my first book sometime in early
Speaker 1: you know, I had a lot of questions about myself,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's what I think sometimes writing the
Speaker 1: book will do, Like you have a lot of questions
Speaker 1: about yourself because you can explain your story and tell
Speaker 1: your story. But now that you're older and you're looking back,
Speaker 1: you're like, well, why did I react that way to
Speaker 1: this and why did I move like that in this situation?
Speaker 1: And so I started going to therapy around you know,
Speaker 1: seen just because I needed it and because I had
Speaker 1: people around me who were We're just talking about it.
Speaker 1: You're so incredibly brave, you know, I mean honestly to
Speaker 1: put everything out there, and I know you do it
Speaker 1: because you know it helps people. So I'm just curious, like,
Speaker 1: what are some of the things you do? Is it
Speaker 1: a medication? Is it meditation? Is it you know, positive affirmations?
Speaker 1: Like what is it that makes the biggest difference. Well,
Speaker 1: first it was just therapy, and to be honest with
Speaker 1: your therapy, therapy drove me. I don't like to use
Speaker 1: the word crazy with therapy. Therapy left me more confused,
Speaker 1: you know than anything. They just yeah, in the beginning,
Speaker 1: when I first started therapy, it just was like was
Speaker 1: peeling back all these layers. But I started having more
Speaker 1: questions and answers. You can stir a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: up when you start. Sure, oh man did it? And
Speaker 1: then um, you know, later I started adding other practices.
Speaker 1: I have to think. I have to thank my good
Speaker 1: friend Debbie Brown. You know, Debbie Brown is a she's
Speaker 1: really big in the mindfulness space. She works for you know, Chobra,
Speaker 1: works with Chobra. And she just kept telling me. She
Speaker 1: was like, you know, therapy is good. I'm glad that
Speaker 1: this is After a couple of years, they like, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you you know, been in therapy. But you know,
Speaker 1: now you really got to start, you know, doing some
Speaker 1: things to actually heal, some practices that actually heal. And
Speaker 1: then that's when you know, the meditation started coming into place.
Speaker 1: Do you meditate every day? I tried to, you know,
Speaker 1: especially in the morning, right before work. Um, that's when
Speaker 1: things like you know, you know, building your altar int
Speaker 1: the house and you know, saging yourself from smudging yourself.
Speaker 1: That's when that's when all of that stuff started, you know,
Speaker 1: to come into play. That's when you know, different plant
Speaker 1: based medications started come started and coming into play. I
Speaker 1: never took anything prescribed by the doctor. You know. I
Speaker 1: do things like CBD. You know, I've even tried psychedelics
Speaker 1: like shrooms and the therapeutics therapy say micro doc Yeah,
Speaker 1: that microdocing always seems so interesting, but it's not legal
Speaker 1: in New Jersey. So you know, I know people in
Speaker 1: California that swear by it and you could get it prescribed.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm someone that doesn't do well with a
Speaker 1: mind altering substances. I do my best with vodka truthfully,
Speaker 1: to kind of called me down. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: that's what works for me. You know, everyone is different. Chemistry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of research coming out with m
Speaker 1: D m A and Paul Simon. There's a lot of trials,
Speaker 1: and I think it's pretty near getting through clinical trials
Speaker 1: to mainstream some of the stuff for therapeutic use and
Speaker 1: especially for trauma for like deep trauma work. I don't
Speaker 1: know how I feel about it yet I've done it.
Speaker 1: It's not like I did not enjoy it, you know,
Speaker 1: it was cool. I just it's a part of me
Speaker 1: that just does not want to have to go to
Speaker 1: any any drug plant based otherwise. You know, when I'm
Speaker 1: when I'm in that space, you know, I rather you know,
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get there on my own.
Speaker 1: Like I like ground, especially when it's warm out, you know,
Speaker 1: take your shoes off and just go walk walk through
Speaker 1: your yard. You know. I have a sacred purpose coach,
Speaker 1: you know, named YadA y'allbo, and you know, we laugh
Speaker 1: and joke and we have this one called face down
Speaker 1: gass up, and it's like you take your shirt off
Speaker 1: and you lay belly down on the grass, you know,
Speaker 1: when the sun is out, and just lay there and
Speaker 1: put your face against the grass field Earth's heartbeat like
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I'm I'm really a tree hugger, Like
Speaker 1: I will go outside and literally hug the tree, you know,
Speaker 1: kiss the tree, sit up under the tree and put
Speaker 1: my put the back of my head against the tree
Speaker 1: and just breathe do my breathing. Ex societies that's that's me.
Speaker 1: What is that practice too for you? Is that like
Speaker 1: a little physical grounding. It was in the grounding I
Speaker 1: remember during COVID. You know, during COVID is when I,
Speaker 1: like I started, I started messing with weed more. I never,
Speaker 1: I never. It was really a guy, you know, when
Speaker 1: I was young, young, I was in but I used
Speaker 1: to make my anxiety go through the roof, right, And
Speaker 1: so I got a friend in Baltimore and he would,
Speaker 1: you know, bring me up. You know these medicinal you know, marijuana.
Speaker 1: Someone's the plant, someone's the edible. And you know, I
Speaker 1: remember smoking for the first time in a long time,
Speaker 1: and I had an anxiety attack that had me swearing
Speaker 1: to God I would never smoke weed ever again. And
Speaker 1: that's why I can't do any kind of th HC. My.
Speaker 1: You know, I have anxiety too, you know, not I
Speaker 1: deal with it um, but I can't do any anything
Speaker 1: with th HC. It just makes my mind totally anxious
Speaker 1: mine too, and that and that's I'm saying all that
Speaker 1: to say. That was in like November October November, it
Speaker 1: was cold and I went outside in New Jersey barefoot
Speaker 1: with a hoodie on, just to ground myself treat because
Speaker 1: I was like out of there. My mind was gone,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, nah, the t was not for me.
Speaker 1: Now I can't do I can do an edible if
Speaker 1: it's a THC CBD mix and if it's the right milligrams,
Speaker 1: that takes a nice edge off. That takes the edge off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're kind of you're you're kind of like a hippie.
Speaker 1: Have you ever, Like you know, you're not old enough
Speaker 1: to to actually have lived with hippies, So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm about fifteen years older than you. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're out there feeling it. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: there's a part of I want to. I want to
Speaker 1: experience burning. Man. I want to go away and do
Speaker 1: ayawaston like I do. I want to. I want to
Speaker 1: experience all of that. Like you know, people tell me
Speaker 1: that they did ayahwasta and they saw God. No, I
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. That scares me. I have
Speaker 1: friends that have done that. Yeah, Charlottagne, we need to
Speaker 1: talk offline because my mother listens to this podcast. We'll
Speaker 1: have a call to you from your trauma. Old So
Speaker 1: I wrote a book about this stuff. I have just
Speaker 1: done this to you it's called stocking God, I didn't
Speaker 1: know you back then. Thank you my unorthodox search for
Speaker 1: something to believe in. And I basically when it did
Speaker 1: all these different spiritual things to try to figure out
Speaker 1: the questions that I couldn't answer for my now twelve
Speaker 1: year old daughter. So I totally am feeling what you were,
Speaker 1: Like what you're talking about about the questions that these
Speaker 1: kids ask, and like how where do you even start?
Speaker 1: You're supposed to know everything, and how do you model
Speaker 1: for them? You know, those things like that they how
Speaker 1: to live a good life and have impact and all
Speaker 1: those other things. And I had no idea where to start.
Speaker 1: I still don't know, but that was the book, but
Speaker 1: I found I agree with you. The meditation is ultimately
Speaker 1: what I kind of ended the book on was because
Speaker 1: I went to a silent meditation retreat and I stopped
Speaker 1: there because, like I think, I just need to sit
Speaker 1: with myself and stop looking to everything else to try
Speaker 1: to find these answers. And so that was the last chapter.
Speaker 1: Meditation is definitely my favorite one, and the reason meditation
Speaker 1: my favorite one because I always come up with answers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I have a question. So when I'm anxious I
Speaker 1: I just start moving my body. So I just want
Speaker 1: to know, like from a lifestyle, like what works for you.
Speaker 1: Do you have a certain diet, you follow things, you
Speaker 1: you know, exercise routine, especially someone that's doing as much
Speaker 1: as you, how do you maintain your energy? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: just I literally just finished working out, like like me
Speaker 1: and my wife. My wife is a personal trainer. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know, we we were saying at the top
Speaker 1: of the year we were gonna get in the best
Speaker 1: shape of our life. So, um, you know, we got
Speaker 1: a routine Monday, Wednesday, Friday where high intensity training one
Speaker 1: hour a day and like we go at it really
Speaker 1: really hard. And then you know, other than that, I
Speaker 1: got you know, therapy throughout the week, and I really
Speaker 1: do make time for myself. You know. The diet, You're right,
Speaker 1: you know, right now I'm doing a diet who I'm
Speaker 1: trying to bulke up and then we're gonna cut down
Speaker 1: in like the next couple of weeks. So I'm a
Speaker 1: little bit heavier than I usually am. But the diet
Speaker 1: is healthy. It's egg whites in the morning, it's you know,
Speaker 1: oatmeal in the morning, and it's you know, apple slices
Speaker 1: and peanut water for a snack throughout the days, you know,
Speaker 1: carbs and how protein you know, throughout the day for
Speaker 1: dinner and for lunch. So yes, it's all of that.
Speaker 1: Like I'm very aware of what makes my energy go
Speaker 1: up and what makes my energy, you know, go down, Pete.
Speaker 1: Not just not just things I put in my body,
Speaker 1: but people in places as well. All those things are
Speaker 1: inputs for sure, all of them. So it's just like
Speaker 1: you know, like throughout the day, I drink water, I
Speaker 1: might do a little green tea. I just started adding
Speaker 1: this um. It's like this healthy like juice substance that's
Speaker 1: like you know, full of electro lights and collagen antioxidants,
Speaker 1: is called um car Beva car va. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: like these it's dope because it's like some of them
Speaker 1: are like seventy natural juice. So it's literally like if
Speaker 1: you like the juice and you know, you don't want
Speaker 1: to drink the power Aids and the Gatorades and all
Speaker 1: of that stuff like that after workout, just like this
Speaker 1: stuff really really replenishes you. So that's something that I've
Speaker 1: added to it, and it gives me energy even in
Speaker 1: wanted Like I'm not a coffee person. I'm either green
Speaker 1: Tea or a car car viva in the morning, car Viva. Okay.
Speaker 1: I hope someone's listening, so I could like google it
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm a health coach also so I get
Speaker 1: really into all that stuff. I might be pronouncing it wrong.
Speaker 1: It's it's k A r v I v A, but
Speaker 1: it's a it's a very healthy sports dream. Okay. Cool.
Speaker 1: I hope you're getting sponsorship from that. No, you know what,
Speaker 1: I shot at them out before and they sent me
Speaker 1: a case, So okay, so we'll shout him out again.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll all get cases, all right. Cool. It's funny.
Speaker 1: It's funny the way this thing works. Yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: what about what about dinner? Who makes dinner at home?
Speaker 1: You or your wife? Oh? The wife, Like she's up
Speaker 1: there cooking because you know, all are we're doing the
Speaker 1: whole measured meals things. So measured amount of rice, measured
Speaker 1: amount of beef, measured amount of grilled chicken, measured amount
Speaker 1: of tweet potatoes, asparagus, like like it's all measured right now,
Speaker 1: Like we're really really focusing on health. And it's like
Speaker 1: it's so strange because I've always you know, the last
Speaker 1: few years have been all about you know, mental health. Um,
Speaker 1: but now I'm looking at it like it's just all health,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it's so deeply tired, it is. It's
Speaker 1: a It is so tired. You can't have one without
Speaker 1: the other. You cannot and and and people don't realize
Speaker 1: food is medicine. What you put in your body totally
Speaker 1: affects not just the way you look, but how you
Speaker 1: feel and your mental state as well. So, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking forward to book three, which is going
Speaker 1: to be your lifestyle book. Good idea, you know what
Speaker 1: I don't. It's so interesting. I've been writing, like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm always constantly right. And man, I you say lifestyle
Speaker 1: and that's how interesting you say that, because yes, I
Speaker 1: do feel like it might be a lifestyle book. But man, my,
Speaker 1: my whole perspective on life has changed so much because
Speaker 1: you can either look at life as a tragic drama,
Speaker 1: a tragedy drama. Field mini series are like a lightly
Speaker 1: scripted dramedy. I love that. It's all in the attitude.
Speaker 1: My dad, who's eighties seven, wakes up every day, looks
Speaker 1: in the mirror and says, I could either complain about
Speaker 1: how old I am, or his wife died and whatever
Speaker 1: else he said, Or I can have the best freaking day,
Speaker 1: and he said, I always choose the best day. And
Speaker 1: he's so happy because he just tells himself that he
Speaker 1: has a choice. That's how I feel like we're literally
Speaker 1: just in a lightly scripted dramedy, and like you know,
Speaker 1: we can get caught up in like the headlines and
Speaker 1: things are, we can like try to see what the
Speaker 1: bigger picture is. Like you know, I'm sure all of
Speaker 1: us are drained by Oscar talk, but like when I
Speaker 1: see the Oscar talk, like we talk about, I always
Speaker 1: try to, like you said earlier, this is his podcast
Speaker 1: is about what's important. So when I look at that,
Speaker 1: what do I see that's important? In that? I see,
Speaker 1: um fifty three year old man who I know does
Speaker 1: a lot of work on himself, right, But clearly that
Speaker 1: was some type of mental breakdown. And so if that
Speaker 1: doesn't show you that healing is not linear nothing with
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like if that man who
Speaker 1: has access to all of these different resources and it's
Speaker 1: using them, and somebody that I called a Willie low
Speaker 1: them because you know, he clearly has reached a certain
Speaker 1: level of enlightenment. But if that person still has a
Speaker 1: mental breakdown in that moment, if the pressure of that
Speaker 1: moment got to him so much that he projected whatever
Speaker 1: pain and he was you know, dealing with on to
Speaker 1: somebody else. And then when you look at look at
Speaker 1: you know, Christ in that moment, and you think about
Speaker 1: how he talks about his childhood and how he was
Speaker 1: traumatized when he was young, and how he would bullied
Speaker 1: when he was young, you gotta be only think about
Speaker 1: how with that triggered for him. So it's just like,
Speaker 1: I see a bigger conversation about mental health. I see
Speaker 1: a bigger conversation about emotional intelligence. I see a been
Speaker 1: the conversation about men, you know, needing a safe space
Speaker 1: to be able to express their emotions so they don't
Speaker 1: end up, you know, projecting their emotions through violence, you know,
Speaker 1: the way that he did. And that's the conversation I've
Speaker 1: been wanting to have around the whole situation. Everything else
Speaker 1: is just silly interview. You're so spot on and you're
Speaker 1: so skilled at having that conversation, which I think is
Speaker 1: something I personally really appreciate about the competitions you have
Speaker 1: because you don't shy away from anything. You know, you
Speaker 1: obviously are talking about the topic of the day every day,
Speaker 1: both morning and night, um, and through all these different mediums.
Speaker 1: But then I feel like what you do really skillfully
Speaker 1: is that exact thing that you just did for us
Speaker 1: right now is takes something like the oscars or that
Speaker 1: that moment in the oscars that everybody's focused on what
Speaker 1: actually happened as and going so much deeper and kind
Speaker 1: of forcing us to have another look at that situation
Speaker 1: in a way that's actual a useful for everybody as
Speaker 1: opposed to just picking on the celebrities and what they
Speaker 1: went through in that moment. Absolutely, yeah, just when they say,
Speaker 1: be the change you're living at. So you know, I
Speaker 1: thank you for that. And we always asked the last question,
Speaker 1: which is if you can literally tell people that are
Speaker 1: listening one thing and I know this is gonna be
Speaker 1: hard for you, one thing that will absolutely change their
Speaker 1: life if they just listen to one thing. According to Charlemagne, yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew you I was gonna stuff. One thing I
Speaker 1: would tell people invest invest in their mental wealth. Um
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just say wealth just because you know,
Speaker 1: mental health sounds so clinical, you know, but just invest
Speaker 1: in your your mental well being. You know, everything starts there,
Speaker 1: literally everything, like you know, until you get it right
Speaker 1: up here, you can't get it right, you know, in
Speaker 1: any any place else. And and and you know you
Speaker 1: gotta be kind to yourself, right because we beat ourselves up,
Speaker 1: you know, because we have fell short throughout our lives,
Speaker 1: or we've made mistakes throughout our lives, or because people
Speaker 1: have done us wrong, you know, throughout our lives. So
Speaker 1: we end up beating ourselves up, like why did I
Speaker 1: allow that to happen? Or why did I do this? So?
Speaker 1: Why did I do that? How did I end up
Speaker 1: in that situation? But the reality is where where human
Speaker 1: you know, healing is healing is hard, and if it wasn't,
Speaker 1: we would all be whole. But we're not whole. We're human,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's just like yo, when you invest
Speaker 1: in your your mental well being, it helps you to
Speaker 1: be able to process all of that and realize that
Speaker 1: everything that you gone through or been through has been
Speaker 1: part of this long process and long experience that you know,
Speaker 1: we're all engageing in, and that experience is simply called life.
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm really scared for this next generation because
Speaker 1: I don't know how they get to process anything in
Speaker 1: the world of social media like they're really they're literally
Speaker 1: trying to keep up with a level of perfection, of
Speaker 1: our perfection that does not exist. My good friend Stephen Ferdy,
Speaker 1: you know, we're from the same hometown, a most fund
Speaker 1: of South Caroline and him my wife went to school together.
Speaker 1: He's a pastor in Charlotte, and he has this term
Speaker 1: where he said, it's his sermon that he said, we
Speaker 1: keep comparing are everyday lives the other people's highlight riels.
Speaker 1: That's what social media is is everybody's highlight reel. Nobody's
Speaker 1: showing you the actual process. Nobody's showing you all the
Speaker 1: times they failed, all the mistakes they made, and they're
Speaker 1: adding filters. So it's not even the highlight reel. It's
Speaker 1: the highlight reel with like effects, with like motor effects.
Speaker 1: So it's not given anything that will drive you crazy.
Speaker 1: So it's just like, you really do gotta you really
Speaker 1: got to invest in your your mental wealth nowadays. Man.
Speaker 1: In the investment. It might be self help books, the
Speaker 1: investment might be therapy. The investment might be you know,
Speaker 1: a sacred purpose coach. But you just gotta find some
Speaker 1: way to heal. You have to well, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And I just have to confess I was very nervous.
Speaker 1: I was really nervous about this interview, and I interviewed
Speaker 1: people all the time or this conversation, and my takeaway
Speaker 1: is you are just awesome and I want you to
Speaker 1: be my friend forever. I think you are the coolest,
Speaker 1: most wonderful man, and I think you're going to make
Speaker 1: a lot of changes. So thank you, Bobby. We gotta
Speaker 1: do that dinner my wife. My wife would think I'm
Speaker 1: the coolest person in the world if I can arrange
Speaker 1: dinner with with with with Bobby Brown. Even finer