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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a father of three, three

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Speaker 1: beautiful little boys, loving husband Drum's dead found in his

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Speaker 1: back into the room, he's cold to the touch. What happened?

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Foxination and series XEM one eleven.

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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our friends at

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Speaker 1: ku TV.

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Speaker 2: This is the home where police found Eric Richards dead

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Speaker 2: on his bedroom floor in March. Richins and his wife,

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Speaker 2: Corey were celebrating a business accomplishment.

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Speaker 1: The night he died.

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Speaker 2: Corey made Eric a moscow mule, which he drank in

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Speaker 2: the bedroom.

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Speaker 1: They say. Corey told authorities that she.

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Speaker 2: Left to help one of their children, and rich into

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Speaker 2: the bed several hours later. It was then, they say,

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Speaker 1: Nine one one. What a horrible event to leave your

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Speaker 1: husband go fall asleep in the bedroom with one of

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Speaker 1: your sons. She wanders back in there to sleep in

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Speaker 1: their bed around three am and her husband is cold

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Speaker 1: to the touch. With me in all star panel to

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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But first

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Speaker 1: I want to go to Chief medical examiner out of

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Speaker 1: Terran County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer, University of Texas, Austin

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Speaker 1: and Texas Christian University Medical School, Doctor Kendall Crowns, Doctor Crowns,

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Speaker 1: it's such an honor to have you and doctor Paul

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Speaker 1: Christo with us. Doctor Crown's, my first question to you

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Speaker 1: is how long has a body How long has the

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Speaker 1: person been dead before their body is cold to the touch?

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Speaker 3: Hugely wants your heart job reading and your body taking

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Speaker 3: on the mature of the surrounding environment so it can

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Speaker 3: happen in a probably about a half hour to an

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Speaker 3: of temper temperature gotten cold.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know, doctor Kindle Crowns. I know you're the

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Speaker 1: MD and I'm the JD. But I believe I'm going

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Speaker 1: to seek a second opinion. I'm going to go to

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Speaker 1: doctor Paul Christo, professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine,

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Speaker 1: author of Aches and Gains, A Comprehensive Guide to Overcoming

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Speaker 1: Your Pain, Doctor Paul Christo, I thought it would take

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Speaker 1: so much longer for a body to get completely cold

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Speaker 1: to the touch, and I do agree with doctor Kendall

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Speaker 1: Crowns regarding the ambient air in the room and what

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Speaker 1: difference that would make. But in this case, they were

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Speaker 1: I think it's safe to assume the temperature would have

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Speaker 4: Right, I mean, I would probably say somewhere around similar,

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Speaker 4: doctor crown probably, you know, forty minutes to an hour's.

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Speaker 1: Dodgor Paul Christo. How often do people just die in

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Speaker 1: their sleep? I mean, this is a young man who

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Speaker 4: Not very often surprised to say, I mean, this is

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Speaker 4: this is a rare event. It doesn't happen unless you have,

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Speaker 4: you know, maybe some underlying cardiac problems, for example, maybe

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Speaker 4: pulmonary problems. It's very rare just to drop dead in

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Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Angela Arnold joining me psychiatrist, renowned psychiatrist

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Speaker 1: in the Atlanta jurisdiction at angela Arnold MD dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie. Maybe it's just my line of business, but

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Speaker 1: when I've ever I hear died in your sleep, there's

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Speaker 1: always something bad attached to that. But I guess people

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Speaker 5: Well, they do, Nancy, And it's usually older people who

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Speaker 5: die in their sleep. They can suffer in a rhythmia

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Speaker 5: there's there's some curiosity about that. I mean, young people

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Speaker 1: I disagree with you too, all three of you, doctors.

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Speaker 1: I and my vast knowledge of medicine disagree with all

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Speaker 5: Well it is, Nancy, but that's still unusual. It's not

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Speaker 5: that's not the norm. That's all I would say.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let me get back on track. This

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Speaker 1: guy is actually celebrating, you know. Let me let Jen

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Speaker 1: Smith tell you. Jen Smith is joining us chief investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter for dailymail dot com on this from the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: The unusual death of Eric Rich is just thirty nine

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Speaker 1: for being with us. Explain to me how this whole

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Speaker 1: From what I understand, the wife, Corey Richans, flips houses.

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Speaker 1: She'll buy and she's got a business partner. They buy houses,

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Speaker 1: AHGTV the flip your house. That's what she does. And

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Speaker 1: that evening they were having some kind of a celebration

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Speaker 6: You tell me, Jen, Yeah, that's exactly right Nowci. But

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Speaker 6: they actually our understanding of it is that they worked

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Speaker 6: exactly the type of business that you just described. They

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Speaker 6: And listen, this is a picture perfect family. They lived

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Speaker 6: They themselves lived in a one point one million dollar home.

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Speaker 6: And as you rightly pointed out, Eric had just closed

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Speaker 1: Now, let me understand they're Mormons, correct, they are?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so Eric Richards actually comes from a pretty prominent

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Speaker 1: Here's my question. I have several friends that are about Mormons.

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Speaker 1: They don't even drink chocolate milk gin because chocolate is

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Speaker 1: Because her three little boys were having such a horrible

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Speaker 1: want you to hear her words, devastated after her husband's death.

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Speaker 1: Take a list an hour cut eight.

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Speaker 7: My husband passed away unexpectedly last year. So it's March fourth,

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Speaker 7: was a one year anniversary for us, and he was

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Speaker 7: we have three little boys, ten, nine, and six, and

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Speaker 7: you know, we kind of my kids and I kind

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Speaker 1: And let's hear a little bit more of Corey Rich's

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Speaker 1: on Good Things Utah that's on KTVX, describing what she

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Speaker 7: I'm new to all of this, so kind of doing

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Speaker 7: making sure connection is the one major one, and making

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Speaker 7: sure that their spirit is always alive in your home,

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Speaker 7: you know, and memories are always brought up, and doing

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Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking about how children cope with the

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Speaker 1: of your loved one. To doctor Angie Arnold, I know

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Speaker 1: every year on my dad's birthday every night after dinner,

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Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering what you, as a parent can

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Speaker 5: Well, and Nancy, it's important for all of us to

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Speaker 5: have a different experience of this grief, So it's very

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Speaker 5: important to work with each child where they are when

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Speaker 1: And this is how they came up with the name

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Speaker 1: of the book. Are You with Me and Our cut eleven.

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Speaker 7: The first day of SKO and you know all the

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Speaker 7: with nuke, you know, and just hoping, you know, Dad,

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Speaker 7: like walk with me, like help me get through today.

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Speaker 7: And it has found you know, it's been a lot

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to go back to doctor Kendall

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. It is unusual for thirty nine year

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Speaker 6: Well, we believe that according to this report, it's a

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Speaker 1: Five times the amount of a lethal dose a sentinel.

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Speaker 1: You know, I introduced to you doctor Paul Christo earlier.

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Speaker 1: doctor Christo. As I said earlier, this is a devout

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Speaker 4: We have more sophisticated methods now determining whether medications or

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Speaker 1: So bottom line, he's not getting it from the Walgreens

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Speaker 1: Do you know what cine? Moscow mule?

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Speaker 1: there is no way you don't know what a moscow

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Speaker 1: To doctor Paul Christa joining us. If you're an expert,

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Speaker 1: what does what does finnyl taste like?

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Speaker 4: Mil is usually tasteless. It's usually tasteless.

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Speaker 4: Well, oxy now is different from fentanyl.

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Speaker 1: Long only you Candle crowns only. Well, you can imagine

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Speaker 11: Our local children's book author charged with murder. Thirty three

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Speaker 11: year old Corey Richards of Chemis is being held in

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Speaker 11: the video you're seeing here. This is about a month ago.

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Speaker 1: As it turns out, according to investigators, there had been

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Speaker 1: I love what we call in my jurisdiction similar transactions. Typically,

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Speaker 10: Yeah, one hundred percent. The rule you're talking about is

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Speaker 1: It's hearsay. So how can you get this information into

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Speaker 1: I believe about three years ago in Greece, family vacation,

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Speaker 6: So that was the first instant.

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Speaker 1: So I believe it was about three years ago. That

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Speaker 1: was in Greece. Fast forward, he didn't die. Fast forward

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Speaker 1: to this past March. Okay, March a year ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's when he died the month before on Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 1: What happened Jin? What happened Jen Smith?

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Speaker 6: We know that they sat down to have dinner together

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Speaker 6: in their home and for whatever reason, even though he

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Speaker 6: has this previous suspicion that his wife has tried to

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Speaker 6: poison him at least once before he sits her, he

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Speaker 6: has a meal with her and again he becomes incredibly ill.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't die, and we don't really know even if

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Speaker 6: he went to the hospital. We're just going off of

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Speaker 6: what we've seen in the start for it, and it's

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Speaker 6: been released so far. He became very very ill after

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Speaker 6: that Valentine see.

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Speaker 1: And it was so bad he used an EpiPen and

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Speaker 1: vinagrill and still went unconscious. Guess what, he didn't die again,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie Arnold, if I had two brushes with death

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Speaker 1: while David is hovering over me, I would leave. But

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Speaker 1: I've got a feeling this guy, Eric Richards, did not

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Speaker 1: want to believe his wife would try to kill him,

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Speaker 1: even though he verbalized that I think she's trying to

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Speaker 1: poison me. I think he didn't want to truly accept

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Speaker 1: it and leave the boys.

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Speaker 5: I completely agree with you. And if you thought that

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Speaker 5: someone was actually trying to kill you, and this is

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Speaker 5: the person that has been called love of your life,

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Speaker 5: then what could she possibly do to your children if

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Speaker 5: you're not there? So you can't abandon your children for

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Speaker 5: your own sake. No, people don't do that. So he

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Speaker 5: was just taking his chances. I guess, scared, probably in

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Speaker 5: some disbelief that she would actually want to kill him. Right,

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Speaker 5: So you might think it, but you're still going to

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Speaker 5: be in disbelief that this woman who you're sleeping with

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Speaker 5: and who you're going on trips with and you're going

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Speaker 5: to the kids' baseball games with, is actually trying to

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Speaker 5: kill you, and who you're practicing your Mormon religion with.

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Speaker 5: How we call that an incongruent thought? How incongruent could

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Speaker 5: that be to this man? Okay, maybe she's trying to

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Speaker 5: kill me, but really is she?

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Speaker 10: Is?

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Speaker 12: She?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think he just really he may have said that,

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Speaker 1: but he couldn't truly take it in. You know another thing,

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Speaker 1: I love Bobby Chacone as I know you do too,

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Speaker 1: special agent with the FBI. I love cell phone data.

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Speaker 1: I love it so much. I want you to take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut seventeen our friend Ariel Harrison.

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Speaker 2: Evidence gathered in the death investigation revealed Corey claims she

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Speaker 2: was away from her phone that night and it was

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Speaker 2: left on a charger by her bed. Teams, However, gathered

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Speaker 2: evidence the phone was in use during that time and

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Speaker 2: sent messages had been deleted. Additional evidence showed Corey was

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Speaker 2: in contact with a drug dealer in Ogden leading up

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Speaker 2: to Eric's death. The legal document state she received both

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Speaker 2: hydrocodone pills and fentanyl from the dealer, claiming the drugs

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Speaker 2: were intended for a client experiencing back pain. At one point,

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Speaker 2: please say she requested for quote the Michael Jackson stuff,

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Speaker 2: asking specifically for fentanyl. Information from the autopsy report determined

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Speaker 2: Eric died from an overdose of fentanyl five times the

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Speaker 2: lethal dosage.

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Speaker 1: Well that's like drinking from the fire hydrant. That is

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Speaker 1: so much, way too fast. I can't drink it and

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Speaker 1: let's just start with Bobby Chacne the phone evidence, because

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Speaker 1: she says, I wasn't on the phone all night. I

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Speaker 1: plugged it in in our room, and then I went

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Speaker 1: down the hall to sleep with one of my boys

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Speaker 1: who was having nightmares. I go back at three am

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Speaker 1: ish and I find him culture the touch. Did I

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Speaker 1: immediately perform CPR, But the phone says and helped me out?

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Speaker 1: Jas Smith, I believe the phones showed that there have

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Speaker 1: been a lot of texting back and forth during the

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Speaker 1: time where she says the phone was plugged in, not

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Speaker 1: in use while she was in her son's room, and

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Speaker 1: all those texts were deleted. So what is she doing

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Speaker 1: texting back and forth while her husband is dying and

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Speaker 1: then lying about it? I mean, Ja Smith, that are

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Speaker 1: those facts correct?

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Speaker 6: Those facts are absolutely correct. Now, she obviously thought that

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Speaker 6: she was outsmarting the authority when she told them that

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Speaker 6: she left her phone, and maybe she thought that it

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Speaker 6: was the location inside the heismand so but yeah, she

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Speaker 6: there is a record, there's a digital record. We know

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Speaker 6: that we've spoken about it many times. Then you can't

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Speaker 6: get rid of it, this digital foit print.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Bobby's Cohn just saw digital evidence basically convict Alex

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Speaker 1: Murdogg and the double murder of his wife and son,

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Speaker 1: Maggie and Maggie and Paul. So what about this, have

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Speaker 1: my phone plugged in the whole night, you know, until

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Speaker 1: I find him killed? Overdad?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean when you have a case like this

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Speaker 9: with she's the only other person that could have, you know,

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Speaker 9: either rendered aid or caused harm. There's no fourth entry,

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Speaker 9: there's no blunt trauma. You immediately start to get her

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Speaker 9: story and for her her initial statement. The minute those

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Speaker 9: phone records come back and you realize she lied to you,

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Speaker 9: she has to become suspect number one because now, why

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Speaker 9: would a wife lie about using her phone in the

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Speaker 9: immediate aftermath of finding her husband dead, or during the

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Speaker 9: period where she found him dead, or shortly before that.

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Speaker 9: So the minute you find out she lied to you

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Speaker 9: about the phone, you have to start taking a much

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Speaker 9: harder look at her, who her associates, look at her

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Speaker 9: phone records, harder who shod been calling? Who should be

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Speaker 9: going in contact with? So she made her by lying,

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Speaker 9: She made herself suspect number one. If she would have

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Speaker 9: simply come up with a different excuse on why she

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Speaker 9: was texting maybe she had the phone in bed with

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Speaker 9: her with the kid and she was. But the minute

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Speaker 9: she lied about that, she has to become suspect one

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Speaker 9: right then.

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Speaker 1: The gig is up. Jeffrey Wolf, high profile lawyer joining

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Speaker 1: us out of Colorado at Wolflawcolorado dot com. I want

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Speaker 1: you to take a listen to another alarming circumstance and

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Speaker 1: our cut three our friends from crime online dot com.

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Speaker 13: Valentine's Day twenty twenty two. Eric Richins becomes violently ill

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Speaker 13: after suffering an allergic reaction after having dinner with his

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Speaker 13: wife of nine years, Corey. He breaks out in hives,

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Speaker 13: can't Breathe passes out after using his son's EpiPen and

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Speaker 13: taking Benadreel. When Eric wakes up, he calls his business partner,

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Speaker 13: Cody Wright to let him know what has just happened. Then,

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Speaker 13: without Corey knowing, Eric changes the beneficiary of his will

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Speaker 13: and his power of attorney, replacing his wife Corey with

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Speaker 13: his sister. Legal paperwork suggests that Eric believes Corey might

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Speaker 13: kill him for the money, and he wants his children

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Speaker 13: to be financially secure.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jeffrey Wolf, Mini A true word is spoken

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Speaker 1: in just says Shakespeare. But truer words were never spoken.

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Speaker 1: He goes, she might try to just kill me for

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Speaker 1: the money. He's dead.

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Speaker 8: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Here, you've got her this part of Jeffrey Wolf. She

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Speaker 1: goes into his life insurance policy where his partner, Cody

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Speaker 1: is his beneficiary, his business partner, and she changes it

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Speaker 1: to make her exclusively the life insurance policy beneficiary. And

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Speaker 1: he's so worried after this Valentine's Day incident where he

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Speaker 1: gets horribly ill, he cracks a joke, Hey, she might

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Speaker 1: kill me for the money, and he changes his will.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jeffrey willf That is no joke.

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Speaker 10: No, it certainly is no joke. And what you saw

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Speaker 10: here in this case is you see her attempt to

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Speaker 10: take his business life insurance policy. I have one with

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Speaker 10: my law partner. If something happens to one of us,

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Speaker 10: we want to make sure the business is secure. And

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Speaker 10: so she goes into that policy and attempts to change

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Speaker 10: it so that she gets the money if he dies.

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Speaker 10: And then he has this magic allergic reaction. My wife

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Speaker 10: has a severe allergy that could cause problems for her.

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Speaker 10: One of my employees, does you can bet your bottom dollar.

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Speaker 10: If I'm making them food or if I'm buying a

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Speaker 10: meal for them, I'm making sure that those ingredients are

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Speaker 10: not present, because those are people I care about who

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Speaker 10: I have a knowledge would be in trouble.

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Speaker 1: What is your wife allergic to you? By the way, She's.

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Speaker 10: Allergic to raw tomatoes. It's a very unique allergy that

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Speaker 10: a lot of restaurants have trouble with. But you can

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Speaker 10: bet your bottom dollar there's no raw tomatoes than anything

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Speaker 10: I buy her or serve her, because I know what

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Speaker 10: would happen, okay, And so the fact that she did

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Speaker 10: that is incredibly concerning. And she did it after attempting

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Speaker 10: to make that change. The company caught it, by the way,

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Speaker 10: and it was changed back. And then when he wakes

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Speaker 10: up from that, he calls his business partner to tell

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Speaker 10: him his suspicions. Joking or not, that could be a

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Speaker 10: present sense impression, which is a reason to get hearsay

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Speaker 10: in at the trial. Since you were mentioning hearsay before.

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Speaker 10: Wasn't aware I had an evidence test today, but I'm

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Speaker 10: going to pass it.

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Speaker 1: I was ready to pounce on you with a here's

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Speaker 1: say loophole that go.

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Speaker 10: Ahead, I'm ready for it. I'm ready for it. My

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Speaker 10: evidence practicum professor from law school would be so proud

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Speaker 10: and so present. Sense impression allows those statements of somebody

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Speaker 10: who is not available to be cross examined.

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Speaker 9: To come in.

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Speaker 10: But it's going to require a recency to the event

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Speaker 10: and something to say that they were still under the

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Speaker 10: impression of that event in order to be able to

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Speaker 10: get that statement in. So how quickly he called him

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Speaker 10: after he woke up needing to use an epipennant benadryl

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Speaker 10: is going to matter a great deal.

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Speaker 1: How would you compare presences impression to excited utterance exception?

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Speaker 10: So, excited utterance is something that happens right then you're

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Speaker 10: seeing something and you're saying exactly what you're seeing in

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Speaker 10: that moment.

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Speaker 1: It happens a lot.

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Speaker 10: On nine to one one.

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Speaker 1: Calls right right when you wake up from an overdose

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Speaker 1: of fentel that kind of excited utterance.

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Speaker 10: It could be an excited utterance, but it has you

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Speaker 10: have to be excited, right, So it's not just that

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Speaker 10: you're saying something that's happening and relaying it as it's happening.

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Speaker 9: You have to be in an.

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Speaker 10: Excited state as well. That emotional state. If he called

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Speaker 10: and he's making a joke about it, that could still

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Speaker 10: be a present sense impression to say that this is

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Speaker 10: something that I have recently seen.

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Speaker 1: You think there's any problem getting these statements in?

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Speaker 10: Honestly, I think that it's going to be a tough

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Speaker 10: road to hoe to get these statements of somebody who's

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Speaker 10: not able.

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Speaker 1: I totally disagree. That's why we have the exceptions to

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Speaker 1: the hearsay role for situations.

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Speaker 10: Just like this. It is exactly why we have the

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Speaker 10: hearsay exceptions. However, in a court and you're doing a

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Speaker 10: criminal trial, the only person who has a right to

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Speaker 10: a fair trial is the criminal defendant, and some judges

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Speaker 10: will err on the side of caution.

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Speaker 1: True, Okay, you know what, let me throw something else

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Speaker 1: at you. Let me throw something else at you. Now

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Speaker 1: we already know that you know what's your cut five KSL.

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Speaker 14: Core papers say Corey first bought painkillers from a drug

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Speaker 14: dealer weeks later, asking for something stronger. She called it

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Speaker 14: some of the Michael Jackson's That was just before Valentine's

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Speaker 14: Day last year. Records say on Valentine's Day, Eric became

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Speaker 14: very ill and believed he had been poisoned and told

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Speaker 14: a friend he thought his wife was trying to poison him.

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Speaker 14: The dealer told police that two weeks later, Corey purchased morphetanyl.

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Speaker 14: Six days later, on March fourth, twenty twenty two, Eric

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Speaker 14: was found dead of a fentanyl overdose.

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Speaker 1: Let me get this straight. Jen Smith, chief investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: dailymail dot Com, on the story from the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: So he has the horrible episode in Greece where he

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Speaker 1: calls his sister says, I swear I think she's trying

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Speaker 1: to kill me.

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Speaker 9: Ha ha ha.

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Speaker 1: Then fast forward to February twenty twenty two, Valentine's Day,

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Speaker 1: another horrible episode after eating and drinking. There is your

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Speaker 1: similar transaction Jeff Wolfe. Always after ingesting food or or

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Speaker 1: drink beverage with his wife, always the same mo motus operandi,

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Speaker 1: method of operation. It's whatever it is. If whatever he

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Speaker 1: is ingesting, so is Valentine's. They have a dinner and drinks, Bam,

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Speaker 1: he's out again. This time he lives the second time,

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Speaker 1: changes his insurance back, changes his will, And then we

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Speaker 1: find out that prior to the February incident Valentine's and

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Speaker 1: the March incident, she goes back to the drug dealer

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Speaker 1: and she says, hey, I need some more. She buys

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Speaker 1: nine hundred dollars worth of fentinyl in March. He doesn't die.

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Speaker 1: She goes back to the same dealer says, hey, give

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Speaker 1: me some more. Man. She buys nine hundred dollars worth more.

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Speaker 1: This time he dies. You know, have you ever seen

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Speaker 1: those pictures? If you want to be an artist, you

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Speaker 1: can just paint between the lines and suddenly have this

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Speaker 1: beautiful picture. Jeff Wolf's yeah, I have seen it.

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Speaker 10: And that's what we're looking at here, is that the

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Speaker 10: pieces of this just keep coming into focus. And throw

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Speaker 10: on top of the fact that these are similar transactions

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Speaker 10: that could go to a modus operande or a pattern

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Speaker 10: of behavior. But throw into that that a lot of states,

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Speaker 10: my state Colorado being one of them, have domestic violence

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Speaker 10: allowances for similar transaction. Four be evidence as well to

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Speaker 10: show the certain types of behaviors that can occur in

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Speaker 10: a domestic violence relationship as well. And you're going to

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Speaker 10: start seeing all of this stuff like an avalanche coming

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Speaker 10: in against the defense, and it is going to be very,

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Speaker 10: very tough to beat it all back with, no matter

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Speaker 10: how big your that.

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Speaker 1: Is Bobby Jacon and Jenn Smith. I want you to

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Speaker 1: hear our cut seven are friends at ABC.

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Speaker 12: A Utah woman who wrote a children's book about coping

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Speaker 12: with grief after the death of her husband last year

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Speaker 12: has now been charged with his murder. Corey Richins was

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Speaker 12: arrested yesterday accused of poisoning her husband Eric with fentanyl.

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Speaker 1: She also faced drug charges.

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Speaker 12: Just last month, Richards appeared on local TV to promote

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Speaker 12: her book about a boy who lost his dad. At

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Speaker 12: the time, she said her husband's unexpected death left her

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Speaker 12: and their three boys reeling.

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Speaker 1: Bobby kin own not only the costly she murdered him.

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Speaker 1: She then writes a book and tries to sell it

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Speaker 1: on TV and on Amazon.

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Speaker 9: Really, yeah, I'm not sure that. I mean, I'm sure

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Speaker 9: the investigators are watching that. I'm not sure it's attacted

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Speaker 9: that much. I mean, they probably already had her in

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Speaker 9: their sight. You know, her journey to do this kind

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Speaker 9: of brings the next level evil to her. But I'm

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Speaker 9: sure that, you know, once they saw the toxicology report,

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Speaker 9: once they got those phone records back, which was all

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Speaker 9: within six, eight, ten weeks of the event of the murder,

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Speaker 9: they had her in their sites, and it was a

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Speaker 9: matter of finding that drug dealer, getting a statement from them,

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Speaker 9: and just tying everything together with the prosecutor and putting

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Speaker 9: it all together. That her writing the book, I mean,

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Speaker 9: I just I think that impacts her reputation in the

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Speaker 9: community more than this actual case because everything was put together.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's going to hurt her a whole lot more

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Speaker 1: than murdering her husband. Doctor Angey Arnold, will you help

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Speaker 1: me out please, I mean, to murder your husband and

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Speaker 1: then write a book about how much your children are

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Speaker 1: suffering what they're going through. We had one child that

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Speaker 1: I was already having nightmares, according to her. But doing

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Speaker 1: that not just to your husband, but to your children

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Speaker 1: and then trying to profit off of it.

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Speaker 5: With a book, Nancy, I think it shows that she

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Speaker 5: has a complete lack of attachment to her husband.

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Speaker 1: I certainly you're not about to say lots.

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Speaker 5: Of people do not develop attachment. There's something called attachment theory. Okay,

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Speaker 5: So I believe that she lacks attachment to the people

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Speaker 5: in her life, and that is what It doesn't mean

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Speaker 5: you're insane, no, but she doesn't have any attachment. How

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Speaker 5: do you kill your husband? So to me, that's the

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Speaker 5: worst thing that she's done, so anything after that okay.

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Speaker 1: For me, Doctor Angie Arnold. She can take her lack

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Speaker 1: of attachment capability and ride that broomstick straight to hell.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend,