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White down trolling the lobby, found the Big Old? 54 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 2: How do you find just how do you find the 55 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: big right? How do you find the Big Old? Just 56 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 2: wandering around? 57 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: And how do you get him upstairs to the room 58 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: is the question he had. 59 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: Look, oh, it looked great. 60 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: You look great for like eighty five. But the fact 61 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: he came in, like you know me, I got bad eyes. 62 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: I had a double and triple take while we were 63 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: interviewing Tim. So I mean the fact he came in. 64 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: We stopped the whole show. And that's my first time 65 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: ever meeting him. 66 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: We can't be super fans of Russell Westbrook and not 67 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 3: od when big O walking Thom come on now, Big Old. 68 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: But it was great to be able to first of all, 69 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: have him come in. I want to do the show 70 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: sit pretty much to a whole Tim Hardaway episode and 71 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 1: then bless us with his just knowledge. And I feel 72 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: like it took him a little while, probably maybe fifteen 73 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: minutes to open up. 74 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: If it wasn't a business man, he could have stayed 75 00:02:59,520 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: another hour. 76 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: And then I feel like if we had more time, 77 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: I think he was ready midway through the interview to 78 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: just talk about his whole entire life in fact, day 79 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: by day fact. So that was crazy. The one thing 80 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,399 Speaker 1: I regret, bro is I didn't talk to him about Kareem. Yeah. 81 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 2: I know, that's shit. We missed on that one. 82 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: And you know me how you don't normals like to 83 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: be able to study the slides of that ship was 84 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: gonna fly. 85 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: We did good. That's what Dylan Julyani. Everyone put the 86 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: ship together like this. 87 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: Why we were doing the Tim Hardaway interview to have 88 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: the legendary Oscar Robertson sit down man and first of all, 89 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: watch the show. He didn't come on our show. That's 90 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: gotta be up there, man. That's fucking this material wasn't expected. 91 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: Definitely a blessing. Something we'll hold on to the shore. Definitely, Man, We. 92 00:03:41,320 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 4: Hope you guys enjoyed this episode. 93 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, welcome back all the smoke. L A man 94 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: a special one right here. Shout out to our man, 95 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: Dana pump Man. He goes above and beyond all this is. 96 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: This, goes in the goat. 97 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll go up there, up there, man, Today 98 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: we have twelve time All Star, eleven time All NBA, 99 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: first player in NBA history to average triple double League 100 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: me p NBA Champ. Welcome to the show, Oscar Robbinson. 101 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you, thank you, good to see you. 102 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: I was flustered. He walked in the room in the 103 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: tim hard and I'm like, show stops. I rubbed my eyes. 104 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm like him, man, it's what is life like? 105 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: How are you? 106 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 5: These days? Get old and we're out fashion? 107 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: Yeah though, thanks fine, you know jo John Orlando nice 108 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: and warm out there, very warm. Yeah, a few storms, 109 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, try to get around those. Everything 110 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: you accomplished for this game, that the road you for 111 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: this game. When you see that the NBA has now 112 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: just recently signed a seventy five billion dollar TV contract, 113 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts from the days you were playing 114 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: to where the game is today. 115 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 5: I got a lot of thoughts, but the most important 116 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 5: thought that I have is I'm happy for the players. 117 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 5: I'm happy that those guys are making money because when 118 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 5: I grew up, you know, black people didn't make that 119 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 5: kind of money right where you couldn't get jobs in 120 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 5: the corporate America. But now they don't have to worry 121 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 5: about that. Some guys will have a situation set up, 122 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 5: they'll make money where their families will never have to suffer. 123 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I grew up in the ghetto, 124 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 5: didn't have anything at all, played ball all the time, 125 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 5: went to school, church. 126 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: That was it. 127 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: Where did your passion for the game come from? 128 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 5: In nineteen fifty one, I believe my older brother Bailey 129 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 5: had a shot against Anderson High School and got them 130 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 5: into the first championship for an all black team from 131 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 5: in Apisentana. And from that point on, man, I was 132 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 5: just I was driven. 133 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: Your lawsuit against the NBA in the seventies. Did that 134 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: lawsuit in some way, shape or form kind of create 135 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:08,679 Speaker 1: the players union? 136 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 5: No, it defined the players. You know, we had been 137 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 5: doing a lot of things up to that point. I 138 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 5: mean I was there for about nine years and been 139 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 5: trying to get certain things done, mail moneys which was 140 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 5: eight dollars a day, the hotels, air traveling, all these things, 141 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 5: and so finally we got to go to court. But 142 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 5: we went to court originally to be to stop the 143 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 5: ABA from joining the NBA. That's what it was all about. 144 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 5: And then these other things came about about players' rights 145 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 5: and whether or not if you had a contract and 146 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 5: you want you didn't have, you didn't have no other 147 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 5: connection to a team, could you go somewhere else? The 148 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 5: NBA said you couldn't. They said they had to pet 149 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,119 Speaker 5: your rights to you forever, which was not true. 150 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: What are some of the things as a black star 151 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: that we take for granted, but you struggled with early 152 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: on in your career. 153 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 5: I often said this lot to a lot of people. 154 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 5: The draft hurt me. I'll tell you why. Because I 155 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 5: went to a team that was in disarray, you know, 156 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 5: and here, hell, I'm coming out of school. I was 157 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 5: playing of the year, of course, but I had to 158 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 5: carry them, you know. I had to sacrifice my game 159 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 5: to make it taken, to make us a unit, and 160 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 5: and and it's a it's a And then after I 161 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 5: got there, the press can be very difficult for you 162 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 5: when you're a start, especially in certain areas of the 163 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 5: country back then, they want you to win and want 164 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 5: you to do well, but they don't want you to 165 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 5: do too well because they don't want to write about that. 166 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 5: The first year I was there, I was thirty some 167 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 5: points a game, and they didn't hard to mention it. 168 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 5: They mentioned other guys getting fifteen points and this and 169 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 5: that and what not, and you know, I didn't think 170 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 5: that much about it. A lot of these think that 171 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 5: I'm telling you about, I didn't think about them until 172 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 5: I got out of basketball. To be honest, it was 173 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 5: I was there. I was committed to play with a 174 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 5: team that we weren't that good as That's why I 175 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 5: look at a lot of a lot of teams that 176 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 5: when they played against the Celtics and they said, how 177 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 5: did they win, I said, I think we had. 178 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: Rback for that. 179 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 5: Bed Hrback had had a good starting unit, but they 180 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 5: had veterans on his bench all the time, and they 181 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 5: came to play, you know, and you know, they were 182 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 5: they were good. They ran the ball up and down 183 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 5: the court, and I think a lot of guys, to 184 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 5: be honest, were scared to play against the Celtics because 185 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 5: we had some on our team, and I said, what 186 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 5: the hell you scared of them for? I said, you know, 187 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 5: they've dressed the where you are, said, you know, And 188 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 5: when they tossed the ball up, that's when you got 189 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 5: to go. 190 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: Who were some of your favorite guys in your day 191 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: to play against? Not necessarily teams, but individual players. Who 192 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: did you enjoy matching up against. 193 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 5: I enjoyed Will because I knew Will very well. And 194 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 5: Wilt was big talker, you know, what he's going to 195 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 5: do and whatnot. And but Will was putting on the 196 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 5: show for people, you know, and Book caret the NBA 197 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 5: for years. And I always said this that the year 198 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 5: they went Philadelphia moved out to San Francisco and Syracuse 199 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 5: came down to Philly. Well, there was fifty points a game, 200 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 5: and that's people don't say anything about it. And you know, 201 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 5: and my good friend Bill Russell won the MVP that year, 202 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 5: who played great because they won the championship. 203 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: But when you averaged fifty. 204 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 6: Points, yeah, I mean, and I A was a triple bubble, right, 205 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 6: you know, so, but I'd still say, well, Carr at 206 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 6: the NBA that year, and you know, they don't ever 207 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 6: say that much about it. 208 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: Is it probably because we didn't get a chance to 209 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: see it, or people who speak most now didn't get 210 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: a chance to see it or really appreciate. But how great, 211 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: How great was he? I mean obviously we see the numbers, 212 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: but to see and play against it, and like you said, 213 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: him being able to carry the entire league? How great 214 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: was he? And could he have played in any error 215 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: and dominated? 216 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: Oh? 217 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 5: I think he could have. What was a great athlete, 218 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 5: could run track, high jump, volleyball player, talk playing his 219 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 5: stuff all the time. But you know, he got it 220 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 5: done on the court. I mean, you know one game 221 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 5: they played in, you know, and these guys today talk 222 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 5: about how great they are. Sure there's some great basketball players. 223 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 5: Guy gets fifty rebounds, Well, I think Russell got forty 224 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 5: eight that game. I mean, I mean, can you imagine 225 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 5: one man getting fifty rebounds in the basketball game. 226 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: It's incredible it is. 227 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 5: And you know, and and the thing to think about 228 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 5: it he played every minute. 229 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, he does what I'm saying. He played in every game. 230 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 5: You see guys today, what is that they try to well, 231 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 5: worry about the minutes and load Oh that's that's a 232 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 5: load management. I mean, I think if you make it 233 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 5: fifty million dollars a year. 234 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: There's no load management. 235 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 5: I think sometimes you're to the fans who come to 236 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 5: see you play because because well you want to say 237 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 5: so or not. The NBA owners and the players are 238 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 5: in this thing together, right, they're not ending alone, right, 239 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 5: And they said they got to understand that. We understood 240 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 5: that with the with the with the players Association when 241 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 5: I was there, we try to convince that. Finally, I 242 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 5: think some of the owners who came into the league 243 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 5: while I was still there understood that we were not 244 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 5: fighting them, were to do something to better basketball right overall? 245 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: Good? 246 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 3: Is it true you learn how to shoot by using 247 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 3: ten tennis balls and rags wrapped around with rubber bands. 248 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 5: No, I had to fake balls and ten things. And 249 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 5: now that that's when. That's when I first started playing. 250 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 5: If so young had two older brothers, you know, they 251 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 5: wouldn't let me going away with them. 252 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, what's the age difference between you and your 253 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: older brother? 254 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 5: He was about five years older. And you know, I 255 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 5: don't know if you have any older brothers now, but yeah, 256 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 5: they don't want you. I don't want you to go anywhere. 257 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 5: Person used to steal from me. My older brother I 258 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 5: have an older brother. After forty two years, I just 259 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 5: found out I got an older brother. So I was 260 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 5: always the oldest brother and so just recently, so start 261 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 5: out shooting in the trees and whatnot, and imaginations and whatnot. 262 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 5: And like any young kid would say, all the time, 263 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 5: thirty seconds, ten seconds ago, two seconds, you got the ball. Yeah, 264 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 5: and you make it every. 265 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: Time you play any other sports. 266 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 5: Ran track played baseball. Had a baseball contract with the 267 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 5: Cincinnati Rolls. I'm sorry, Cinscinating Reds. What am I saying? 268 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 5: But I didn't want to take it because they had 269 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 5: they had some great stars and and you know, I 270 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 5: hate to say this. You know this comes up. You know, 271 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 5: people don't want to hear a lot of this. But 272 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 5: they were black, Veda Pinson, Frank Robinson was great man. 273 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 5: They didn't they didn't appreciate. 274 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: It at all. It's a terrible in baseball. 275 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 3: I want to ask you, what's what's your opinion on 276 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 3: athletes and activism. I was thrown in the George for 277 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: a situation, and yeah, I saw great was able to 278 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: be a big part of that. 279 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: And I'm honored because I think that's the best thing 280 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 2: I've done in my. 281 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: Life's do something for for for our people. But what's 282 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 3: your opinion on athletes and activism and how was it 283 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: growing up in Indiana dealing with the KKK and all that. 284 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: Growing up? 285 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 5: Let's talk about Indiana first. I didn't see any white 286 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 5: people at all when I played ball unless I played 287 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 5: against him. In Indiana, one white person was Bob Collins, 288 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 5: who was a writer who loved our team, and he 289 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 5: wrote about it because he's writing about the facts. Other 290 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 5: than that poorest could be mother than five, divorced, two 291 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 5: older brothers. We had had little little guys on the street. 292 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 5: But tell you everything you have to know. I really 293 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 5: appreciate those guys. You know, sometimes they talk about GHET, 294 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 5: old kids and whatnot and and all the bad things. 295 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 5: These guys were great. They raised you. They tell you 296 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 5: what they do about women, drugs and everything else, gaming 297 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 5: and everything. So so I'm happy about that. 298 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: But it's a. 299 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 5: But you know, it's really interested when when you when 300 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 5: you live through a lot of different things, whatnot, uh 301 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 5: that you seek change and whatnot. 302 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 2: Uh. 303 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 5: I think players today, with the media and and all, 304 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 5: it's the socially outfits. You have to be careful sometimes, 305 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 5: but that doesn't mean you you disregard your character and 306 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 5: what you want to say about because I think they 307 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 5: can be very helpful, helpful. I never forget uh. When 308 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 5: the kid uh, I can't think of his name, he 309 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 5: stepped still, sit on his knees. They didn't stand from 310 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 5: the net anthem. And I won't tell you the coach's 311 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 5: name that you'll figured out this. And this owner was 312 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 5: very very upset about them, Jerry Jones, you know what, Bobby, 313 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 5: more than anything, the rest of the Black pearers didn't 314 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 5: support it. 315 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 2: I couldn't. 316 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 5: I could not understand that they didn't like the national 317 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 5: anthem either, right, they should to be honest. I mean, 318 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 5: I know the national anthem, but I never heard of 319 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 5: the national anthem. When I was playing ball in college, 320 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,359 Speaker 5: they played well, we always. 321 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: In the locker room, never heard it. 322 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 5: The national anthem is great, I mean I learned came 323 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 5: to appreciate it, especially when it was in the Olympics. 324 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 5: We want to we want to go medal. Then you 325 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 5: boy goes up, something goes through you. You know, you 326 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 5: think about you think about your life. You know, where 327 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 5: are you from and how you got there? You know, 328 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 5: and the guys you're with. And that's what you think 329 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 5: about those kinds of things. 330 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 3: Also think about the words too, just as fall were 331 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 3: still waiting on something. 332 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: Well, that's true too. 333 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: But what was that experience like, obviously a different time 334 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: back then, when you're representing a country that didn't necessarily 335 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: represent or love you at times, what was it like 336 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: to be able to do that and win at the 337 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: highest level. 338 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 5: I think this was in nineteen sixty folks, so it 339 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 5: goes back a few years. I was fortunate because I 340 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 5: met I met Oli there, I met Wilman, Rudolph, Ray Norton, 341 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 5: and Thompson was the high jumper jump first guy from 342 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 5: the American to jump seven feet. It was. It was 343 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 5: great experience for learning things about yourself, about life. I 344 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 5: never I never been run that many people like that 345 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 5: in my life. And you go to the Olympic village 346 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 5: and you know everyone's there and you just socialize, you 347 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 5: meeting people, but not you know, I mean, I knew 348 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 5: Wilma read very well, Wilman, Rudolph was a good friend 349 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 5: of mine. And then I got to meet Alan because 350 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 5: I kept telling me to tell me the greatest man 351 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 5: God and tell them tell me, tell me we can 352 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 5: whoop anybody. Man that's oh, come on. 353 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: I love it. You were co capping with Jerry West. 354 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: We just lost rest in Peace. 355 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 6: Yeah. 356 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 5: Jerry was a good friend of mine. We met at 357 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 5: the trials in Denver. He was kind of quiet at 358 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 5: the time, but we got to talk to each other 359 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 5: about different things. And and uh, the AU was very 360 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 5: strong in those days, and they would always try to 361 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 5: get the best team to play against us. You know, 362 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 5: something's mighty funny about that. As we won the championship, 363 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 5: I was sitting with sitting with pet Knell. Was that coach? 364 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 5: He said, Oscar. He said, I got a difficult task tonight. 365 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 5: I said, what is it, coach? He said, they don't 366 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 5: want they don't want Weal Bellamy. I said why. He said, 367 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 5: you don't know why. If they hadn't taken Ballot me, 368 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 5: we have had two black guys on the team. This 369 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 5: is a nineteen sixth of some great players planning man 370 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 5: myself and Bob Boozer ball Me. We needed him to 371 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 5: win the championship in Rome. We couldn't have won without him, 372 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 5: couldn't have won it at all. 373 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: They didn't want him, They didn't want two blacks. 374 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: No here here again. 375 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 5: I mean, and it's it's a I know, these things 376 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 5: come up and people don't want to hear these things, 377 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 5: but not because I had a great experience at the Olympics. 378 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 5: I thought, I think that was that's the greatest sport 379 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 5: event in the world for people to get together and 380 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 5: and and try to iron out something that differences and whatnot. 381 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 5: And when you run for a metal and once you 382 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 5: get a metal, you know, just told total happiness. You know, 383 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 5: you congratulate the people that that that's running against you, 384 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 5: but they understead you're happy for them as well. 385 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: Mental health is such a big thing and discussed today, 386 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: but that's just recent. They just maybe the last five 387 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: seven years. Mental health. I mean, with so much racial 388 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: tension back then, although it was the norm, it had 389 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: to affect you day to day. How did that make 390 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: you feel? How were you able to focus on the 391 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: task in hand? How did you get through all the 392 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: stuff you you know, had to unfortunately go through. 393 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: Well. 394 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 5: I went to the University of Cincinnati. I was the 395 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 5: first black to play there, and I didn't realize it 396 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 5: because I'd gone to Cincinnati and see Jackie Robinson play 397 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 5: a lot, and I saw a lot of African American 398 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 5: people sitting in the stands with not I said, man, 399 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 5: this is a great town, great city. So anyway, when 400 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 5: I go to school there, I didn't see any black people. Man, 401 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm going to class at nobody. So one 402 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 5: day I told the coach I want to say, I 403 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 5: want to have a meeting. 404 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 2: Man. 405 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 5: So I made him eight o'clock in the morning. I said, 406 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 5: what's going on? He told me the story is that 407 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 5: they just don't like blacks at the school. I said, 408 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 5: why don't you tell me this now before I got here? 409 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 5: Before I got here, he said, didn't want to do 410 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 5: that because he wanted me to come. But anyway, I 411 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 5: mean or commitment, and so I was, so I stuck 412 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 5: with it. You know, it wasn't always easy, right. I 413 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 5: was sitting in my room one night, not that about 414 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 5: all the other black guys in the same situation up here. 415 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 5: Nobody cares, but for at least for me, I was 416 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 5: a star player of the year that got some tension, 417 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 5: you know. But I think about all those other players, 418 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 5: you know, I really felt sorry for them. 419 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: I think that's why I admire you so much. I mean, 420 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 3: you got a lot of guys today with every with 421 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 3: all the bonuses and pluses they have. They are not 422 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 3: able to go out and not not even average triple double, 423 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 3: but play to the level you play, and they're not 424 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 3: really dealing with nothing. 425 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: You was dealing with people threatening your. 426 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 3: Life, betting your family's life, betting your job threat and 427 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 3: you still went out there and played to be the 428 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 3: person you are today. I admire that because you know 429 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 3: a lot of people that that have everything in the world, 430 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: they don't have the confidence to stand up for something 431 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 3: that that doesn't have nothing, has nothing to do with them. 432 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: You did it your whole career. 433 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 3: So I admire that and still be able to be, 434 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 3: you know, the person who has a basketball player with 435 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: all that stuff. 436 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 2: That just says a lot about who you are in life. 437 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 5: You know, when you get older, you're realizing more and 438 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 5: more there's so many things that bother you on a 439 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 5: daily basis, Difficult things you got to go on, you 440 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 5: can't stop. God has has an answer to everybody, and 441 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 5: he's still in charge, so you can't worry about things. 442 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 5: A lot of times, you know you're unforcunate that things 443 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 5: happen in your life that that bother that bother you, 444 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 5: really bother you some terrible things sometimes, but you got 445 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 5: letter play out, but you got later playoffs just like 446 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 5: and I never forget. There was one guy named Norman 447 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 5: Allen who lived on our street, and he said he 448 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 5: was talking one day about players being great. He said, 449 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 5: remember one thing, when you're on the court, think about 450 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 5: think about the game. And I also said, they can't 451 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 5: play until they tossed the ball up. So I said, 452 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 5: what do you mean by that? He said, always talk 453 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 5: about this guy and that guy before the game doesn't 454 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 5: mean anything. He's when they tossed the ball up. That's 455 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 5: when you got to go and see whether you can 456 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 5: get it done or not. But but uh, but but 457 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 5: it just it just bothers me more than anything that 458 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 5: you talked earlier about guys and social social activities whatnot. 459 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 5: They got to be careful because they're involved with shoot deals, 460 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 5: television deals, commercials, whatnot. 461 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: I think they can be smart about it. 462 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: There's a way to do it. 463 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 5: You don't have to go out and curse somebody out 464 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 5: and call them names and what not. But you know, 465 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 5: but you can be smart about this, you know, and 466 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 5: have statements that that are thoughtful. 467 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 2: You know, conversations, yes, have the conversations. 468 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 5: You know, because hopefully that's what the politicians do. But 469 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 5: sometimes they don't. They don't do that. They get into 470 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 5: a situation where they start calling each other names, which. 471 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 3: Is not But that's when Matt says all the time. 472 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 3: It's ways to disagree, but the respect has to remain 473 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: the same. 474 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 5: Yes, I agree with you, Yes it does. 475 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: Indeed, nineteen fifty nine, the KKK sent you a telegram 476 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: before a game. Do you remember. Do you remember? 477 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: Yes? 478 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 5: I do. We were playing to Plan in Addiction Classics. 479 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 5: I knew nothing about the Dixie Classics. So I get 480 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 5: a telegram. So if you go out here and play, 481 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 5: they're gonna shoot me. So I gave it to the coach. 482 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 5: But later on that day I get a knock on 483 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 5: the door. Here's a white kid from Alabama, some Obama fraternity. 484 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 5: You had to kind of get an autograph for me. 485 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 5: What do you think I did? Autographed? For of course, 486 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 5: we always the bigger people. I never forget that as 487 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 5: long as I live, I mean, I mean to be honest, 488 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 5: to be honest, man. 489 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: I was born in Tennessee. 490 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 5: I never really thought that much about the Klan to 491 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 5: begin with me because where I lived, we had a 492 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 5: lot of relatives. There were Bails, Tiers, and Robertson. So 493 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 5: although the whites and blacks were separate, there was no 494 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 5: going out hanging somebody and nothing being done about it, 495 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 5: right right, So they protected themselves. But I never thought 496 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,239 Speaker 5: that much about it. Guys that threatened me. I mean, 497 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 5: it wasn't the only time I was threatened by the way, 498 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you. But it didn't bother me. I mean, 499 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 5: I just I didn't think anything about it, about being shot. 500 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 5: I just didn't think that they was gonna do it. 501 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 3: He has a movie coming out, a dot comount. He 502 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: went through the same thing in high school. You want 503 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 3: to talk about that, man. 504 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: No, just the you know, KKK was a kid was 505 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: harassing my sister called her a nigger spinning her hair. 506 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: So she was two years younger than me in high school. 507 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: So I did what a big brother supposed to do 508 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: and beat the kid up and went back and tried 509 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: to tell the school what happened. They didn't believe it, 510 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: suspended me, and then the KKK tried to come burn 511 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: down my high school noose with the mannequin and the 512 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: tree die Nigger niggers everywhere, swastikas Niggers must die like 513 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: put a hit out on me. I had to move. 514 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 3: We've seen the screening of the documentary last week, and 515 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 3: it's gonna be really good. 516 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: A lot of people no, but it's I mean, I'm 517 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: always really fascinated by it because I mean, obviously you 518 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: faced all the adversity you faced, and then you know, 519 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: this is nineteen ninety eight at the time, and it's 520 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: just like it was still prevalent. And I tell people, 521 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, hate will always be there. 522 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: Just as love is taught, hate is taught, and unfortunately 523 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: there's just weird people out here that teach to hate 524 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate. You're right. 525 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 5: Thing that's really so overwhelming to me is that so 526 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 5: many of white people who don't care about that, you know, 527 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 5: but they don't do anything. You run ouse. These things 528 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 5: happened in Indiana, and I think it might have been months. 529 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 5: Indiana they hung up black guy who got him out 530 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 5: of jail because he said he made some remarks about 531 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 5: some white woman walking down the street. It went in 532 00:23:55,000 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 5: jail and hunging, and you wonder that happened today they can't. 533 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: It still is well in Lumberton, Texas, they're still hanging 534 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 3: people in Mumbaton, Texas. 535 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: No. Well, during the during the George Floyd, during the pandemic, 536 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: member there were people allegedly black people were committing suicide 537 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: by hanging themselves. But that was excuse my language, that 538 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: was some bullshit, you know what I mean? That was 539 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: that was some other things going on, which is which 540 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: is unfortunate. 541 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 5: Well, I think there needs to be some overall conversation 542 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 5: from people, you know, like minded people. 543 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but actually they don't have to be like 544 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: minded because like minded people see things the same way. 545 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: You need to have conversations with people who aren't like minded. 546 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: I feel like with the same goals. What I'm saying, yeah, peace. 547 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 5: I just feel that other than politicians, people don't want 548 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 5: athletes to talk about socialitions. 549 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 2: But they don't. 550 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 5: They don't they don't want teachers to talk about so 551 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 5: they don't want black people to talk about social istions whatnot. 552 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 5: My person never said it to me about politics. The 553 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 5: don't think I followed it. When I became eighteen, he 554 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 5: said you gotta get register for the draft. I said, 555 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 5: what are you talking about that? 556 00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 2: What draft? Not? 557 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: The draft? Wanted no one, no one in. 558 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 5: My school, every miss me anything to me about get 559 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 5: the draft cards. But I had to go. I wouldn't 560 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 5: I wouldn't got it done anyway. 561 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: What was that he like though, Just to think that 562 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: you possibly could be obviously dreams of playing basketball, but 563 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: possibly having to go to war. 564 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 5: I didn't really think that much about it, okay. I mean, 565 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 5: you know, you know, like I said before, you know, 566 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 5: when you live in a ghetto, man, you know there's 567 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 5: so many things that happened. Hear about so many things 568 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 5: and whatnot. Man, you know, it just rolls off. 569 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 3: Your box and you enjoyed the bad time. Times are 570 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: so hard that you learned how to enjoy everything. 571 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 2: I thought a lot of people lived like that. We 572 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 2: didn't know it was struggling then. 573 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know, you know what I'm saying. We didn't know. 574 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 2: We were just living our life and we've seen how hard. 575 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I can't talk speak to you, but we've 576 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 3: seen how I've seen how my grandmother, my grandfather, my 577 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 3: mom has made a life for everybody. So that was 578 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 3: everything to me. I didn't know we were struggling. I 579 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 3: had everything to in my mind. You know, It's amazing. 580 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 3: Grandfather he had a little farm to go down in 581 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 3: the summer and two days, two days. He loved it 582 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 3: when it raining and Sunday that's when he didn't work. Ever, 583 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 3: they worked, you know. 584 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 5: And it's a funny thing that that all the things 585 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 5: you go through your life that I've gone through. I 586 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 5: had to join the army on television halftime a basketball 587 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 5: game against the Boston Celtics. It's just things that go 588 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 5: to go through your life and what you have to 589 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 5: do sometimes, you know. I mean, I wasn't going to 590 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 5: join the army, but I was told if I didn't 591 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 5: join they I was going to be drafted. So I 592 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 5: joined the reserves. 593 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: What year? 594 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously with you being good friends with Ali 595 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: in the years escaping me, obviously he went through that 596 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: and and and and and chose, you know, the latter 597 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: not to do it. But what was that like as 598 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: him being a friend of yours and it kind of 599 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: derailing a little bit of his career. 600 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 5: They didn't want Alan into the military. Never even finished 601 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 5: high school. You know, I don't know if they give 602 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 5: you some tests sometimes you go through. I don't don't. 603 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 5: I don't think he can passed it. They wanted Ali 604 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 5: because they wanted him to influence other black kids. That's 605 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 5: that's why they wanted all in army. They want they 606 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 5: want to make him to make sure that all these 607 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 5: other black kids that they were going to going to 608 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 5: put in the military but didn't do the same thing. 609 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 5: Because you know that that in the summertimes in some 610 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 5: parts of the country. I think it was up east 611 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 5: where there was a potato harvest. Those kids all got 612 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 5: out of school to harvest potatoes. That's why you don't 613 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 5: go to school in the summer. Yeah, that's let's start 614 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 5: on the on the east and now you know, uh uh. 615 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 5: But but but with Ali, now, they didn't really want 616 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 5: him in army. He has been a disruption in m 617 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 5: too much. You know, it's just it's pretty It's just 618 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 5: he had too many following, you know, you know, and 619 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 5: what and what what do we accomplished by that? But 620 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 5: they want to take him to court to make an 621 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 5: example out of it. I never forget Frank Robinson told 622 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 5: me once, when you win, they don't they don't like it. 623 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 2: But when you lose, you they blamed you. 624 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: M it's a no win situation. 625 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 5: Well it is so certainly be but but I think, 626 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 5: as I said before, that it's the conversation with. 627 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: Me, you know, you don't. 628 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 5: You don't hear a lot of black athletes talk about. 629 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: Politics, right, they're afraid too, Yeah, they are. 630 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, I'm not gonna name any names, 631 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 5: but some of the years, some of the biggest stars 632 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 5: never never mentioned I don't think. I don't think. I 633 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 5: don't think they mentioned Obama when he was running. 634 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: You know, have you that Reggie get off about them? 635 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: When Reggie been holding that in for a long time. 636 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: At the baseball game, he was that. 637 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 7: I would never wanted to do it, want to do 638 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 7: it again. I walked into restaurants and they would point 639 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 7: at me and said that you can't eat here. I 640 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 7: would go to a hotel and they said I can't 641 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 7: stay here. We went to Charlie Finley's country Club for 642 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 7: a welcome home dinner and they pointed me out with 643 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 7: the N word. He can't come in here. Finley march 644 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 7: the whole team out. Finally they let me in there. 645 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 7: He said, we're going to go to the diner and 646 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 7: eat Hamburger's or go where we're wanted. Fortunately, I had 647 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 7: a manager in Johnny McNamara that if I couldn't eat, 648 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 7: if I couldn't thank you, if I couldn't eat in 649 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 7: the place nobody would eat, We'd get food to travel. 650 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 7: If I couldn't stay in a hotel, They'd drive to 651 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 7: the next hotel and find a place where I could stay. 652 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 7: Had it not been for Raleigh Fingers, Johnny McNamara, Dave Duncan, 653 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 7: if Joe, and Sharon Rudy, I slept on their couch 654 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 7: three four nights a week for about a two month 655 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 7: and a half. Finally they were threatened that they would 656 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 7: burn our apartment complex down unless I got out. I 657 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 7: wouldn't wish it on anyone. The year I came here, 658 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 7: Bo Connor was the sheriff the year before, and they 659 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 7: took based by the League Baseball out of here because 660 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 7: in nineteen sixty three the Clan four black girls children 661 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 7: in eleven, twelve, fourteen years old at a church here 662 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 7: and never got indicted. It was there from the Klan 663 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 7: Life magazine did a story on them, like you were 664 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 7: being honored. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. At the 665 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 7: same time, had it not been for my white friends, 666 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 7: had it not been for a white manager and Rudy Fingers, 667 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 7: who Duncan and Lee Myers, I would have never made 668 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 7: it I was too physically violent. I was ready to 669 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 7: physically fight some I'd have got killed here because I'd 670 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 7: have beat someone's ass, and they you just saw me 671 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 7: in an oak tree somewhere. 672 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 5: Well, they treated Reggie kind of bad in New York. Yeah, 673 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 5: what was the manager's name was drunk. This guy was 674 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 5: a drunk man. He shouldn't have been becaugin anybody. Basketball 675 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 5: thing Reggie was to minis star young man, helped them 676 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 5: win World reasons whatnot. They treated him like nothing. When 677 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 5: I was a Cincinnati you know, doing the holidays, you 678 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 5: know you're still there the practices, playing games. We had 679 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 5: to go up to this restaurant it was, I don't 680 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 5: know what kind of wrestlant it was to eat. I 681 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 5: going with one of the guys on the team. And 682 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 5: when I went in the door and I guess, hey, 683 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 5: what are you doing in here? I said, what do 684 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 5: you mean? He said, Uh, he said, I don't want 685 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 5: you in my restaurant. I said, I supposed to eating 686 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 5: here soon, You're not gonna eat in here. So anyway, 687 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 5: I left. I go to a place in the black 688 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 5: sector town where they had college green and they used 689 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 5: the same difference to get everything out man. Also happened. 690 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 5: The coach calls me up, man, what the hell are 691 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 5: you doing? I said, what do you mean? He said, 692 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 5: you haven't been you haven't been up to the resturande. 693 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 5: I said, coach, what are you talking about? 694 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: Man? 695 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 5: I said, Man, don't want me to say any want 696 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 5: blacks in this place. Years later this happened. This same 697 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 5: guy who ran at the restaurant was dying, want me 698 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 5: to come to sing you? 699 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: Same guy, same Yeah you went some. 700 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: No, I didn't know where he was. I might have 701 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 2: gone nowhere. 702 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but I mean, I mean, I mean it happened. 703 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 2: Man. 704 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: You know it's crazy. So you leave Cincinnati the all 705 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: time leading score for college basketball until a pistol peek 706 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: came around. 707 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 2: Plus I everd fifteen rebounds. 708 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: Again, about said my career. So where did your all work? 709 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 5: So? 710 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I want to talk. Actually we'll go there. 711 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: So your year one thirty points ten and nine, year 712 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: two thirty to thirty one, twelve and eleven, you're three 713 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: twenty eight, ten and nine, you're four thirty one, eleven 714 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: and ten thirty one twelve and nine year five. Normally 715 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: we used to see kind of one sided. Where did 716 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: the all around? Game come from and why did you 717 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: embrace that and do it so well? 718 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 5: Just come from playing ball against guys when I grew up. 719 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 5: Not had a coach in high school that said if 720 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 5: if you if you're inside, you got to got a center. 721 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 5: You got to box them off the board. And we played. 722 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 5: We had defensive drills all the time, man, I mean 723 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 5: just just constantly running drills and helping out and talking 724 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 5: on defense whatnot. And you just learned to play, you 725 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 5: know as ah And really though, as it was said 726 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 5: earlier on your show, there was no position basketball. He 727 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 5: was a basketball playing basketball. You know, this is why 728 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 5: it really. I had a team. I want to tell 729 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 5: you the guy's name. We played in China. I tell him, 730 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 5: I want you outside. I want you to run the offense. 731 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 5: He said, I don't know to run the offense. I said, 732 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 5: where are you from, man, He said, I'm from so 733 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 5: and so school. I said, you know, I said, this 734 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 5: is basketball. I want you outside. I want you to 735 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 5: get the ball. This guy, that guy, we're gonna run two. 736 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 5: I said, we're gonna have two plays. We're not gonna 737 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 5: have a lot of plays. Simple plays. I want you 738 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 5: to do, he said. He couldn't do it crazy. Well, 739 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 5: you know, everybody I knew could play outside found the ball. 740 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 5: That's how I had to learn moved inside. Like I 741 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 5: had a coach at in high school. He said, he 742 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 5: wanted me to get the ball to certain guys. You 743 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 5: want me to take any bad shots. If you do, 744 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 5: you're not gonna play. So I learned well from him. 745 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 3: But we in the era of a lot of players 746 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 3: being one or two dimension them like they can't do everything. 747 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 2: Like I think I could say, that's what basketball is. 748 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 2: You should be able to do everything. 749 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 3: I wasn't able to do things nowhere closest to you, 750 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 3: But I did everything on the court when I played, 751 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 3: I rebound, I played defense, I passed, I did it all. 752 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: But you mastered it. 753 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 3: And when people ask you, when people ask you like 754 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 3: how like you can't teach that, like Russell had Russell just. 755 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 2: Has that motor. Russell Westbrook, you know what I'm saying. 756 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 3: You can't really teach a guy to have that passion 757 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 3: and want to do everything on the court. 758 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 2: It has to be in you. 759 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 5: And you know, speaking of Westbrook, I think that it's 760 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 5: unfortunate for Westbrook that they're doing some of these things 761 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 5: to him. Think, I think the guy is very valuable 762 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 5: to any team he's with, But somehow they want to 763 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 5: blame somebody, right, you know, I blame him. Man, the 764 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 5: guy's affecting for you. I mean he kept the franchise 765 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 5: in Oklahoma going for years years. 766 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: What do you think when you when you saw him 767 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: average triple double before the season and and like you said, 768 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: all the attributes he brings to the team. 769 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 5: Well, I went out to see him and Oklahoma. I 770 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 5: was happy for the guys, and man, I said, I 771 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 5: want you to tell you this. We were in the 772 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 5: room by ourselves talking. I said, I'm happy for you, 773 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 5: But man, I said, they're gonna. 774 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: Turn on you. You told him that, I said. 775 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 3: I remember seeing him in the locker room when Russell 776 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 3: walked in. He was in the locker room waiting on 777 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 3: my saying. 778 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 5: That said, they're gonna turn on you because they're gonna 779 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 5: expect you to do this every night. 780 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and even if. 781 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 5: You do it you don't win, they're gonna blame you. 782 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 5: They're gonna blame you, They're gonna blame anybody else. That's 783 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 5: a bar right there. They did and they did. 784 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 2: Well, who know better than you? 785 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: Right? 786 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 2: Who know better than you. 787 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 1: Who are some of the guys you in today's game 788 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: or or in the past you enjoy watching. 789 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 5: I like to watch Kerry and Lebron, those guys. I mean, 790 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 5: I think that they have some great attributes. Uh uh. 791 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 5: They get on Lebron a lot for holding the ball, 792 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 5: handling the ball. But he who is gonna though it, 793 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 5: Carr is a great shot that, you know what I mean? 794 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 5: I mean, who's making shots like that? I think a 795 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 5: lot of kids can shoot the ball. I don't know 796 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 5: this kid's name from in Indiana. That's a good shooter 797 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 5: to go to Aliburton. No, no, not the other kid. 798 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 5: Healed one kids shooting them about fifty percent from the floor. 799 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: He led the leg. 800 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 5: But but you know, get him to shoot more more, 801 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 5: you know. But it's just a matter I think. I 802 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 5: think guys in the game today come from this AAU 803 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 5: basketball where Rob said, if you don't score, you know 804 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 5: you're not helping our. 805 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: Team, right right, So. 806 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 5: Therefore the first thing you want to do is man, 807 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 5: they want to shoot a three point shot. Man finally 808 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 5: shot a three point shot in high school. I never 809 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 5: would have played. 810 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 2: Well. 811 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 3: A lot of teams going after guys that's affecting game 812 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 3: more than having skills. Because I've been talking to some 813 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 3: coaches like I talked to Mike Brown too, and a 814 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 3: lot of scouts are looking for guys that are going 815 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 3: out there in some leagues that's affecting the game. 816 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 2: We ain't worried about your one on one. 817 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 3: If you're going out there getting that extra possession, getting 818 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 3: that extra rebound, that's the guys they're looking for these days. 819 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 5: Well, hopefully they get a team. But this is the 820 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 5: difficulty in basketball today is that it's hard to find 821 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 5: guys who going to play together. Sometimes you do and 822 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 5: then like a Milwaukee I hate to bring this up, 823 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 5: but we win the championship. Do you know to make 824 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,240 Speaker 5: sure they traded six of the guys. 825 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it makes no sense the key guys to 826 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 2: key guys. I went to the went to the bucks. 827 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 2: I said, who did this? 828 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: He said, what do you means? 829 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 2: Well? 830 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 5: We had makeing said, man, you're killing us. You run 831 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 5: as we win a championship, let's go with the same 832 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 5: guys running. We got to the finals and got beat 833 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 5: by Boston in my fourth year. But you know, guys 834 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 5: got hurt. Lucia's got hurt that they killed us Lucia's. 835 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: Allen as we're coming to the end of a run 836 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: for three particular great players, Lebron, Steph and Katie. There's 837 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: no telling how long they're playing, but it's not going 838 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: to be too much longer. What do you think about 839 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: those three and what they've been able to bring to 840 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: the game. 841 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 5: I think they've been sensational myself because they position themselves 842 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 5: where they really helped enable the leg to go forward 843 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 5: to get these huge contracts from those people. When they 844 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 5: step on the floor, it's exciting. 845 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:10,760 Speaker 2: Uh. 846 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 5: They generate a lot of talk with the new news 847 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 5: people and whatnot. But still, you know, you watch them, 848 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,919 Speaker 5: watch I'll say this, I'll say it again. When when uh? 849 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 5: When when? Sometimes when the blind when the Lakers don't win, 850 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 5: they said, oh, Lebron turned the ball over, he did, 851 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 5: he did that, But what about the other guys on 852 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 5: the team? 853 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 2: Don't are they getting paid? 854 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: What about the other guys? You know he's the main 855 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: lebronter over here, but also loves him. 856 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 2: Well, well that's that's right. But you know, even Kerry, 857 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 2: you know that you're talking about Kerry. 858 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 5: Now, you know that he's always getting old, you know, 859 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 5: you know he's not gonna be able to do that forever. 860 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 5: And then what happens then and Kevin Durant. You know, 861 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 5: I just I think it's a tremendous shooter, you know, 862 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 5: I mean, I mean seeing a guy that big shoot 863 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 5: the ball, I can't unbelievable. Know what I was talking 864 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 5: earlier about the Olympics. France did. But the only way, 865 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 5: the only way the USA was going to beat France 866 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 5: with France had to go on the zone. 867 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: That made. 868 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 5: Curry, KD and Booker great. Those guys. They couldn't beat 869 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 5: those three guys with a zone, and that's what they 870 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 5: went into the zone, and Curry started knocking them down. Man, 871 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 5: because up to that point where he was playing man 872 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 5: the man, he wasn't that effective. 873 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: In your opinion, what was the best part of your 874 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: game and where where? What area did you feel you 875 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: needed to continue to work while you were playing. 876 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 5: I think the best part of my game was understand 877 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 5: the offense and then how they get guys in the game. 878 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 5: Uh uh, you know, you know when I played, you know, 879 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 5: used to have two big plays and you know, and 880 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 5: and and to run these plays you got something happened 881 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:51,280 Speaker 5: to happen. 882 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: Uh. 883 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 2: I looked back on my career. 884 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 5: Now, you know, I think I should have shot a 885 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 5: lot more. Well. The reason I said that, you know, 886 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 5: is that is that the guys I played played with 887 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 5: were not as good. 888 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: A shooter as I was. 889 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 5: I could get the shot anytime I wanted it, but 890 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 5: I was such a such an unselfish player. I wanted 891 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 5: to get other guys in the game, and I was 892 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 5: told to do this. And even Cincinnati we had we 893 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 5: didn't have a great team, but they wanted me to 894 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 5: get these other guys, get the other game that get 895 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 5: this guy in and get this kind of game. But 896 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 5: they didn't say anything about me. I'm not saying this 897 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 5: because because I'm here with you guys, but I just 898 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 5: think if we could have been more successful if I 899 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 5: shot more. 900 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 2: Well, just think if you if you were a shot 901 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 2: more and you already average thirty. 902 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 5: That's but I think in those days it was very 903 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 5: difficult for for a player to play and not get 904 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 5: a shot. 905 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 2: Uh. 906 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 5: We had a player named Curtis Perry played in Milwaukee, 907 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 5: and we had plays and I never forget once we 908 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 5: were in the locker room where that guys also mans 909 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 5: getting any shots. Hell man, they all going to Kareem, 910 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 5: I said, I said. But when Curtis Burry came to 911 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 5: me one day, said, man, I'm not getting the ball. 912 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 5: So I told asked the coach, Larry Costello, I said, 913 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,439 Speaker 5: what can we do? He's got a rebound more, I said, Curtis, don't, 914 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 5: I'll take care of you. So I started taking the 915 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 5: ball to him a lot, you know. But but there 916 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 5: are a lot of players and like that, like Curtis Perry, 917 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 5: you know, guys like that. You know that no one 918 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 5: cares about him, you know. And then forget there was 919 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 5: there was a yeah in New York I want to 920 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,240 Speaker 5: take he was playing. He never never took any shots, 921 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 5: and they had all these guys was taking all the 922 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,439 Speaker 5: shots going what not. So they got into this real 923 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,879 Speaker 5: tough basketball game and they weren't doing so well. They 924 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 5: started throwing the ball. So he called time out. What 925 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 5: the hell you throwing me the ball now? He said, yeah, 926 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 5: throw me the ball. 927 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. 928 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 5: And now all of a sudden, you can't get your shot, 929 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 5: you're gonna throw me the ball. That's that's what happens 930 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 5: a lot, you know. But it's really difficult today in 931 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 5: this game of basketball. You know, where I think the 932 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 5: fans anticipate certain guys doing things. Uh, I mean what 933 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,399 Speaker 5: bothers me more than anything. I can't guy just come 934 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 5: up to you, this drive around you so us? Yeah, no, 935 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:17,439 Speaker 5: I mean you don't. 936 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 2: They don't slide, that's not does not even care. 937 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 5: K has made the food out of USA all because 938 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 5: that guard didn't fight through to get to his man. 939 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 5: I would never have Koreean switch on my man too much. 940 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 5: Why am I gonna go inside and play as the 941 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 5: seven foot four guys? And then the US said kept 942 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 5: doing that and going last day? What was the coach doing, 943 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 5: carr you? I mean you know you can't say you know, 944 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 5: you can't say you want you want to Steph Curry 945 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 5: to switch off on side. But Korean won't switch anyway, 946 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,359 Speaker 5: So it didn't know now, but I'd fight through. 947 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: It was different, I mean it changed. Probably was the end. 948 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 1: I came in in O two and left in seventeen 949 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: where when you first he was through the post and 950 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: we didn't switch on screens. You fought over under or 951 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: throw the screen. You have to do that, yeah, because 952 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 1: it wouldn't work other way. Yeah. Now it's everybody's switchabulls. 953 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 3: And they used to tell you get a big man 954 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 3: the bomb. He ain't gonna set the screen. You already 955 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 3: know you was in the league. They said, if the 956 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 3: big man run up and down, make sure you can 957 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 3: let him touch the ball, because he the one set 958 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,240 Speaker 3: in the screens. He rebound, he's doing all the dirty 959 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 3: work if you don't throw them the ball. Watch how 960 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 3: your screens beat? Watch how you. 961 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's resorted to that because you see a lot 962 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 5: a lot of a lot of teams they would always 963 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 5: set the big guy out beyond the file line. And 964 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 5: then and the rules are you have to go out 965 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 5: to the file line at least to the fire line. 966 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 5: You can still neat the basket. That has made a 967 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 5: lot of guys great it. Maybe you go to the 968 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 5: basket and dunk the ball and do that. But I'll 969 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 5: tell you this, when Wilton and Russell plays, you didn't 970 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,919 Speaker 5: do that, Nate Thurman, you didn't get no duncks like that. 971 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,280 Speaker 5: I mean it, But it it's a game has really changed. 972 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 5: But I think it's a good game. But but this 973 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 5: is the way he's going to be from here for forever, 974 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 5: and I think they ought to cancel the All Star Game. 975 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 3: Joe One Question. One Quick Question author you ever gotten 976 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 3: to fight in the game, not a total fight, Yeah, 977 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 3: because we had Wayne Embry. Wayne was he was laying 978 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 3: people out. 979 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 2: Huh. 980 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 5: He was about six satan seventy five, you know big, 981 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 5: you know. I mean, I mean because when you play 982 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,359 Speaker 5: against will see Bill couldn't push him underneath the back. 983 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,839 Speaker 5: And I guess guys realize that, man and so. But 984 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,240 Speaker 5: there are a lot of knockout guys on these teams. 985 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 5: I must tell you. Once you went through them, you 986 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 5: know you understood what they were trying to do. Yeah, 987 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 5: so so you watch yourself, you know. I mean, I mean, 988 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,799 Speaker 5: this is what I understand today. You know, I saw that. 989 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 5: You know, I really don't think he was trying to 990 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 5: hit Rudy. But when you're in a fight adds up. 991 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 5: You don't run up behind a guy that's just that's 992 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,879 Speaker 5: getting hitting and punching at some of else. You don't 993 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 5: you go around so he can see you. That was 994 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 5: the biggest dude on the court. He ran too too. Well. 995 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 5: It was unfortunate. It was unfortunate. But I've been in 996 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,320 Speaker 5: in situations where guys getting punched. I mean, you know, 997 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 5: but you know it was like it was just punches. Yeah, 998 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 5: you know guys would go, that'll be it man. 999 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, no suspension, know nothing. Fifty dollars now, yeah, I 1000 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 3: got thirty three million for one punch. It wasn't a player. Yeah, 1001 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:26,839 Speaker 3: it wasn't a regular. 1002 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,399 Speaker 1: It wasn't a player, but it wasn't record punch. I'm 1003 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: with you, So here we go. We got the home stretch. 1004 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: We obviously appreciate your time. Thank you for sharing with 1005 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 1: us for eighty five. You're looking great. What are you 1006 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: doing to stay in shape these days? You golf, exercise 1007 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: or eat good? What do you do? 1008 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 2: I'm not doing as much. 1009 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: That's the secret. 1010 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 5: My daughter's keep telling me. I don't. 1011 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 2: I don't walk enough. You don't want walking up? He looks. 1012 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 2: I want to look like that. At eighty five, he 1013 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 2: got your dog. 1014 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,399 Speaker 3: I got five good because because they say, because they say, 1015 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 3: when you have daughters, that's gonna be the ones to 1016 00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 3: take care of you when you get older. 1017 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 2: I got yeah, glad, I got five. I got six acts. 1018 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 1: No sugar, no salt, drinks, none of those things. Just health. 1019 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: Health is important. One thing you wish you were better at. 1020 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 5: I wish had had been better at communicating about about 1021 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 5: the association's direction. What we were trying to do because 1022 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,399 Speaker 5: I don't. I don't think a lot of a lot 1023 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 5: of guys understood it. Even today. I don't think they 1024 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 5: understood how they are, how they got where they are today. 1025 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,320 Speaker 5: And I just think although although we won in court 1026 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 5: with the Oscar option rule, I still don't think. I 1027 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 5: think a lot of them just realized. I think that 1028 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 5: they this year because they're great players. So many people 1029 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 5: paved the way, so many Yeah, but you know, I mean, 1030 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 5: see a guy makes sixty million. I mean, do you 1031 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,320 Speaker 5: really think he think he's worth sixty million dollars play basketball? 1032 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 1: I don't think. 1033 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 2: Well, you know, Lebron is somebody who's no doesn't matter. 1034 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 2: But if you get it, take it man. 1035 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean you negotiate. 1036 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 5: That's a lot of money to pay anyone to do 1037 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 5: something that that you that you really love. 1038 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,479 Speaker 3: To do, and we used to do for free, but 1039 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,319 Speaker 3: but now you ain't gotta love it and you're getting 1040 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:12,720 Speaker 3: that money. 1041 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,360 Speaker 2: I guess they don't have them, don't even love and 1042 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 2: they get paid. What advice should you give current players? 1043 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 5: Invest your money wisely, invest your money wise? You want 1044 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 5: to speak little Chinese if you can, because you know, 1045 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 5: because you know because the world, the world doesn't doesn't 1046 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 5: in with the US A right, or the NBA or 1047 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 5: the n b A right, guys are making means a dollar, arn't. 1048 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,479 Speaker 5: There's some wealthy people in this country, man. I'm talking 1049 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 5: about bigger, bigger theres, bigger and bigger theres. And you 1050 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 5: know how they make their money. Find out how they 1051 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 5: make their money, what they what they're doing. I mean, 1052 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,439 Speaker 5: but but it's gonna go on. I mean, I don't. 1053 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 5: I don't think it's gonna get any worse. I think 1054 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 5: the basketball players right now are gonna lead these other 1055 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 5: other baseball and football into the direction of getting more 1056 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 5: and more money for the players. 1057 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 1: Right, guaranteed money too, even with the. 1058 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,880 Speaker 5: Scarf, the rule the owners. What what do you think 1059 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:03,880 Speaker 5: the owners getting out of it? 1060 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 1: If they're paying the players, that's crazy money. 1061 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 5: Favorite musical group Temptations. 1062 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,799 Speaker 2: Temptations, that's you listen to right now, Like, oh yeah, 1063 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 2: this is quite a bit. 1064 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,080 Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of a lot of music, 1065 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,760 Speaker 5: Fast Domino, Yeah, Classics, Jackie Wilson. 1066 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: Anything new. 1067 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:28,360 Speaker 5: You know, you know you didn't play something. 1068 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 2: He told you to turn it off on. 1069 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: Myself. 1070 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 5: So you hear music today. First of all they got 1071 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 5: the sound and music up so bad. I don't even know, 1072 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 5: can't say the words. They don't care about the words, 1073 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,240 Speaker 5: no more. And one thing I think more than anything, 1074 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 5: they wanted they wanted to come out and short pants 1075 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 5: and whatnot. You know, you know, I think people see 1076 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,120 Speaker 5: that they say, oh man, you know what, what a 1077 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 5: great song? 1078 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 2: Well what the hell did they say? 1079 00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 1: Say? 1080 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 5: You know, I just whipping the air work cloud neck 1081 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:07,240 Speaker 5: fatter these guys man, you understand, and and the Temptations 1082 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,720 Speaker 5: and the and the fourth Tops. 1083 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 2: Man, it was a class. It was all class back there. 1084 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 2: It was superclass, I mean, and they could sing in 1085 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,680 Speaker 2: different type songs you know, fast, slow, and everybody was 1086 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 2: dressed like everybody had on gowns and tuxedos. It wasn't 1087 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,399 Speaker 2: no half naked what none of that, but they had. 1088 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: It was it was calmed out though they wouldn't let 1089 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: they have. 1090 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,759 Speaker 3: Chemical yeah, but all kind of they have like that. 1091 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 5: The it was it was a great era, to be honest, 1092 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 5: what not. You know as a matter of fact that 1093 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,800 Speaker 5: if you look a look at music, but not they 1094 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 5: went they went from rock and roll then, yes, what 1095 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,839 Speaker 5: what did they go after? What did you do after that? 1096 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 2: After rock and roll with the soul soul so. 1097 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,360 Speaker 5: Who was winning all the awards from locking roll to 1098 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 5: the Little Richard got the Beatles started. People don't know 1099 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 5: that Little Richard was a tremendous star, super talent for 1100 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 5: a long time in the rock and roll. He was 1101 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:19,040 Speaker 5: going to the black stars. All of a sudden, you know, 1102 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,960 Speaker 5: so so so then what happened. They came up They said, oh, 1103 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,839 Speaker 5: we can't have this. They started making soul music. Yeah, 1104 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,560 Speaker 5: you know, we have the most copied race in the world. 1105 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 5: So I get it. 1106 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 1: I get it. I wish we had more time just 1107 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 1: to sit and pick you all day, man, but we 1108 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,000 Speaker 1: we really appreciate your time. Thank you for spending a 1109 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,920 Speaker 1: little bit with us. We're looking forward to seeing you 1110 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: the rest of the weekend man, and and just thank 1111 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 1: you for everything you did, not only for us before 1112 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 1: the game and and for the culture. Really appreciate. 1113 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,120 Speaker 5: I think it was something that was a good ride. 1114 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,800 Speaker 5: I'm glad I did it. You know, it wasn't always easy. 1115 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,480 Speaker 5: But as I said before you, I'm glad for the players, man, 1116 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,280 Speaker 5: I'm glad that making them money living in the mansions 1117 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 5: and fifty million dollar houses whatnot. And it means a 1118 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 5: lot to me because you know, these guys will never 1119 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,040 Speaker 5: had to have their families to worry about anything. 1120 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:09,399 Speaker 1: Right. 1121 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,120 Speaker 2: That means a lot, you know, means a whole lot. 1122 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: And it started with and. 1123 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 2: We're saying all that it takes no energy to say 1124 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 2: thank you, No, it does not. 1125 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,359 Speaker 5: Well, you know, I've always said this also. Then then 1126 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 5: my daughter, she said, I she cut it off with this. 1127 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,160 Speaker 1: She gave you the sign. 1128 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 5: I think everyone that plays basketball or goes into a 1129 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,080 Speaker 5: corporation should know the history of that, the corporation of 1130 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,759 Speaker 5: the game of basketball or baseball or football, whatever whatever. 1131 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,200 Speaker 5: They should have to read about it and find out 1132 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,880 Speaker 5: what it's all about. But these guys aren't going to 1133 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:42,120 Speaker 5: do that. 1134 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,359 Speaker 1: We talked about that before you came in, understanding who 1135 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,920 Speaker 1: came before and who paved the way. So we understand, 1136 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 1: and we definitely appreciate everything you did to the game 1137 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,719 Speaker 1: and again did for the culture. So thank you for 1138 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:52,279 Speaker 1: your time to that. 1139 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:58,200 Speaker 5: Man. Appreciate that, Appreciate being with you. 1140 00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I ma a pure Larry. 1141 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:06,080 Speaker 1: John said, let's go ask where we should go, and 1142 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,880 Speaker 1: y'all flooded it. Man, So we appreciate the love. 1143 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,560 Speaker 2: Fack that y'all coming out and showing us love. We 1144 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:18,080 Speaker 2: appreciate y'all. Mm hmmm 1145 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm