WEBVTT - 11/22/63 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:09.360 It's Thursday, November twenty first, nineteen sixty three. Lee Harvey 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:13.120 Oswald is visiting his wife, Marina, who's living with Ruth 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:17.440 Payne in Irving, Texas. He and Marina were separated, and 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:19.639 he had taken a room in a boarding house not 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.160 far from his job at the Texas school Book Depository 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.680 in Dallas. He would normally visit Marina in June on 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:31.000 the weekends, but this is a Thursday, and it's unexpected. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.920 President Kennedy and the First Lady will arrive in Dallas 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:40.240 the next day. Before his arrival, the President became aware 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.839 of a full page ad in the Dallas Morning News, 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:48.960 an ad paid for by right wing extremists which accused 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:53.760 him of being soft on communism and essentially calling him 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:58.080 a traitor. Kennedy mused out loud about how easy it 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:03.400 would be to assassinate a traveling president. Air Force One 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.759 lands at love Field in Dallas to adoring crowds. As 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.759 the President shakes hands, Jackie is handed a dozen roses. 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.560 It had been raining earlier, but now the clouds have 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:20.479 parted and the Golden Couple is bathed in sunlight. Camelot 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:22.120 has arrived in Dallas. 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.840 This is who killed JFK. Sixty years later, what can 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:32.120 we uncover about the greatest murder mystery in American history? 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.840 And why does it still matter today? I'm your host, 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:36.960 Solidad O'Brien. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.479 At this point in our investigation, we've established that there 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.560 were more than three shots fired at Kennedy, and not 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.960 all from behind. We've presented evidence that Oswald, the alleged 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:51.880 loan shooter, had a connection to the CIA and was 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.760 likely unknowingly being set up for a plan that would 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.120 motivate an invasion of Cuba. We've also established who had 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.360 both the motive and the means to carry out the crime, 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:07.840 rogue elements of the CIA, anti Castro Cuban exiles, and 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:12.320 members of organized crime. And there's evidence that notable leaders 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.440 from each of these groups was in Dallas that day. 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:20.840 A member of the president's security team later told researcher 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:24.840 Vince Palmara, quote, we were getting all sorts of rumors 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.440 that the president was going to be assassinated in Dallas. 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.200 He then shares these threats with Kennedy that morning. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.560 Kennedy says back to him, quote, Marty, you worry about 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.240 me too much. The Secret Service told me they have 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:41.720 everything taken care of. There's nothing to worry about. Okay, 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.760 let's talk specifically about what happened on that day. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.840 Oswald wakes up not knowing exactly what he's part of, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.679 but he knows that he's part of something important. Marina 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.280 is sleeping. Before saying goodbye to her, he takes off 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.800 his wedding ring and places it in a cup on 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:05.160 her bedside table. He whispers to Marina that there's money 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:09.000 in the dresser, one hundred and seventy dollars, a sizeable 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:13.640 sum for the Oswalts. Marina goes back to sleep. Oswald 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:18.840 exits the house and meets Buell Fraser, his coworker at 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:22.960 the Texas School Book Depository. Fraser would often give Oswald 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:23.880 a ride to work. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.880 That morning was unusual. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:32.239 Most of the times I would pick lee up walking down 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.400 the sidewalk toward my sister's home. 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:36.400 All right, have to put up in front of the 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:42.160 house and blow on the horn. But that morning was different. 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.920 That's Buell Fraser. He was nineteen at the time, and 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.920 we interviewed him in twenty twenty three, sixty years after 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.520 that fateful morning. He remembers it like it was yesterday. 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:58.040 He walked down the half a block across the street, 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.240 and with it he had a fact. So he goes 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.800 over to my car and he puts a package in 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:09.120 on the back seat, on the fashion side. And so 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.560 I said, what's in the package? 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:12.000 Lee? 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.560 And he said, don't you remember we talked about this shoes. 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.520 Today, I'm going to bring some curtain rods to work. 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.800 And I said, that's right, you did tell me that. 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.520 Now the package that Fraser mentions has become something of 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.120 a fascination for JFK researchers. 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:30.559 Is the package the gun? 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:30.920 Well? 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:35.880 I asked Fraser about that. Nobody ever has determined what 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.479 exactly was in that package? Have they? 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:41.279 To my knowledge? That is correct? 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.640 I have not. What I would like to tell you 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:48.800 was I have a friend called Josiah Thompson. Josiah has 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:50.920 Aigan Carno rifle. 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:55.040 This was the type of rifle Oswald allegedly used to 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:55.880 kill Kennedy. 0:04:56.080 --> 0:05:00.000 I says, can we measure this rifle? He said absolute. 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.599 So we measured the rifle. We measured to stop, and 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.880 we measured the barrel. There's no way that it would 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.240 fit in the package that was on the backseat of 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:14.240 my car, right, And so That really made me feel 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:18.039 good because a lot of people have said I have 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:19.440 told the truth about that. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.719 Well, I'm telling you all I know. 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:23.960 So what was it? 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.680 Nobody knows for sure. All we know is that Oswald 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.280 had a bag that, according to Buell Frasier, wasn't big 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.960 enough to hold even a broken down Carcanell rifle. 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.240 Okay, what happens next? 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.960 So we get into we start to drive off. 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.360 When we get to the parking lot, they gets the 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.040 package out of the back seat, and so he turns 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.640 around and starts walking towards the building where we would 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:50.440 be working. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:54.200 During the course of the day. Did you see Oswald 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:54.560 at all? 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.200 I did run into him. I know he went up 0:05:58.240 --> 0:05:59.640 to the fifth and sixth floor. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.760 You saw Lee on the fifth and sixth floor at 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:04.279 some point. 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:05.200 Yeah. 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.240 It was a pry and it had been a hard way. 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:10.400 It is a road Jay. 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:16.159 Nothing about that day would be normal. Let's jump ahead 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:22.159 a few hours to eleven thirty seven am. Air Force 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:26.080 one lands at Dallas love Field. The Kennedys arrived to 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:27.680 an adoring crowd. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.800 And here is the President of the United States. 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.160 How the crowd is after they're going wild? 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.000 They get into the open limousine and they sit right 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:40.440 behind Governor Connolly and his wife Nellie. The Secret Service 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.800 car is directly behind them, followed by Vice President Lyndon 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.839 Johnson and Ladybird. They start their ten mile ride through 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.440 the streets of Dallas, with onlookers cheering along the way. 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.400 Nellie Connolly turns back and says, you can't tell me 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.080 that the people of Dallas don't love you, mister President, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.800 and he says, yeah, yeah, they do. Everybody was happy 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.320 until they turned off Houston Street and onto Elm Street. 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:14.800 It's now twelve twenty five pm. This is the time 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:18.360 that the motorcade was scheduled to pass through Dealey Plaza. 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.720 According to the Warren Report, when Oswald was asked by 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.360 the Dallas Police Department where he was when the president 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:28.040 was shot, he said quote went to the second floor, 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.960 where a Coca Cola machine was located, obtained a bottle 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:32.200 of Coca cola for lunch. 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.840 Two witnesses also place him there. They say they saw 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.160 Oswald in or near the second floor lunch room around 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.480 the time of the shootings. One witness is a woman 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.760 named Carolyn Arnold, a secretary at the Texas School Book Depository. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.440 She said that she was on her way out of 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:53.000 the building around twelve twenty five when she saw Oswald 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:53.800 in the lunch room. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.560 She said, quote, he was alone as usual and appeared 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.280 to be having lunch. I do not recall that he 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.200 was doing anything. I just recall that he was sitting 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.680 there in one of the booth seats on the right 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.520 hand side of the room as you go in. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.200 Okay, Oswald said he was eating lunch, went to the 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.800 second floor. There are two witnesses that place him there 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.640 all around twelve twenty five when the motorcade passes by. 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.120 That seems pretty solid to me. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.840 Except for the fact that the motorcade was running five 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:28.080 minutes late. It didn't arrive at Daily Plaza until twelve thirty. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:32.080 So if it was Oswald who fired the gun, couldn't 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.600 he have been on the second floor at twelve twenty 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.120 five and then run up to the sixth floor by 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:37.800 twelve thirty. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.360 Okay, let's go at that for a moment. A man 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.960 is planning to assassinate the president of the United States, 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.080 who was supposed to be arriving at twelve twenty five, Now, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.080 wouldn't he already be in position at that point? I 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.240 mean not casually sitting in the second floor lunch room 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:57.120 drinking a coke. 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.199 Marion Baker is a Dallas police officer who was riding 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.480 a motorcycle in the motorcade that just entered Daley Plaza when. 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:05.319 The shots rang out. 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.719 He said he saw pigeons fly off the roof of 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:11.679 the Texas School Book Depository, and without hesitation, he hopped 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.600 off his bike and ran into the building. Video shows 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.120 him entering within fifteen seconds of the shooting. 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:21.199 He immediately runs into Roy Trully, the manager of the building, 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.160 and Trully and Baker start up the stairs. 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.400 They reached the second floor lunch room at twelve thirty 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:31.320 two pm. Baker confirmed it was ninety seconds after the 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:32.319 shots were fired. 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.360 And guess who they see sitting in the lunch room 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:39.200 Oswald with a coke in his hand. Truly tells Baker 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.320 that Oswald works in the building, so they continue past them. 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.120 This is ninety seconds after the shooting. 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.640 Couldn't Oswald have fired three shots then sprinted down to 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.520 the second floor within ninety seconds, where he runs into Baker. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.000 Well, the Warrant Commission had the same question, so they 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.319 re enacted the time it would take Oswald to go 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.240 from the sixth floor sniper net down to the second floor, 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.480 and they timed that ad around seventy five. 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.840 Seconds, So tight but definitely plausible. 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.680 Sure if you don't allot any time for Oswald to 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.000 wipe down the gun, which he had to have done 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.240 because none of his fingerprints were found on the gun. 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.400 It also does include the time it would take Oswalt 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.360 to hide the gun behind some boxes, which is how 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:24.040 it was found. 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:25.720 He would have had to have been in the lunch 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.840 room at twelve twenty five, run up the stairs to 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.880 the sniper's nest, got his rifle into position, fired three 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:37.080 shots with incredible accuracy, and then wipe the gun clean 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.560 of fingerprints hidden it, then run back down the four 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.240 flights of stairs to the second floor in less than 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:44.559 ninety seconds. 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.079 So that would be quite the athletic endeavor. 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:52.720 Officer Baker testified that Oswald seemed and I quote calm 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.960 and collected when he encountered him, and that it didn't 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.360 appear that he had been running. But there is another 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:04.880 piece of evidence that makes this even more unlikely. Victoria 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.360 Adams worked on the fourth floor of the building, and 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.720 after the assassination, she gave a brief deposition to the 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:15.520 Warren Commission, and then disappeared. She was afraid of what 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.560 her testimony might mean and she didn't want to get 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:23.120 sucked up into all the investigations. Decades later, though, a 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.559 researcher named Barry Ernst was able to track her down, 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.040 and between the information that she gave him for his 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:34.360 book Girl on the Stairs and her Warren Commission testimony, 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.480 some very powerful evidence emerged. 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.280 Adams was on the fourth floor with three female colleagues 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:45.800 when the President's motorcade drove through Dealey Plaza. They heard gunshots, 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.840 and they watched the President's limo race off. She and 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.640 co worker Sandra Styles ran to the staircase and headed down. 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.960 And what she says next is important. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.880 She testified that they did not see or hear in 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.760 anyone else on the stairwell at that time until they 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:07.360 reached the first floor. And yes, it was the only stairwell. 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.480 So Oswald would have had to have used the same 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.920 stairwell to get down to the lunch room. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.680 Right. So not only would Oswald have to fire three shots, 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.160 clean and hide the gun, he would somehow have to 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:25.120 manage to go unnoticed by Victoria Adams and Sandra Stiles 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.720 as he raced down the stairs to the second floor 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:32.640 lunch room. Now you can believe that or the eyewitnesses 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.000 who saw Oswald on the second floor the entire time. 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:40.000 So you're saying you don't believe that Oswald was even 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.679 on the sixth floor when those shots were fired. 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.120 Well, let me tell you what the Dallas Police chief 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:49.600 concluded later that day. He said, quote, the physical evidence 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:54.240 and eyewitness accounts do not clearly indicate what took place 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.600 on the sixth floor of the Texas school Book Depository 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.559 at the time that John F. Kennedy was a set fascinated. 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:04.040 And when Oswald was later arrested, the police did a 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.520 paraffin test on his cheek. It tests for contaminants from 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:11.600 gun residue, and the test on Oswald's cheek was negative. 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.920 So my answer is no, I don't think there's any 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.080 evidence that Oswald was on the sixth floor at the 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:23.640 time of the shooting. Yet everything changes for him once 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:24.920 those shots were fired. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.520 Kennedy apparently got ahead, he fell a down in backdat 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:38.200 of his car. 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:43.040 When the shots by gad to ring out, people really 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:43.600 began to. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.920 Pay That's Buell Fraser Oswald's coworker who drove him to 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:51.400 work the morning of the assassination. He had stepped outside 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:55.360 the Texas Schoolbook Depository building to watch the motorcade go 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:56.959 by and pep up. 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.480 Again to Ron had followed out, and people will cried 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:05.160 and hollered and screaming at his. One lady come walking 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.320 up and she said they shot the president. 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.199 And I said, what did that woman say? She said, 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:13.920 they have shot the president. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.560 It's just after twelve thirty five pm. 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:21.840 What does Oswald do next? 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.040 Well, according to Fraser, he left the building. 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.880 Alongside the building was Lee himself. 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:29.920 And what was he doing? 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.920 They just walk all very casually. Then he turned right 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:39.120 and crossed Elm Street. Someone said something. I turned to 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.960 see he was talking to me, and when I turned 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.320 back I had lost him in the crowd. 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.400 As Oswald walked away from the building, I believe that 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.960 is when he started to realize that something had gone 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.760 wrong and that maybe what Richard K. S. Nagel had 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.760 told him was true, that he was being set up. 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.800 You might remember Nate Goal as the intelligence agent who 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.640 warned Oswald that he was being used by people around him. 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.720 Right now, Daily Plaza is in total chaos. People are 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.520 saying the President is gonna die, and Oswald begins to 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.120 act as though his life is in danger. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:17.600 So what does he do. 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.440 He crosses Houston Street and witnesses see him get on 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.480 a bus. But because of all this chaos, the bus 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.800 wasn't moving. It was stuck in traffic. So the same 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.360 witnesses who saw him get on the bus saw him 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.840 get off. And the next thing we know is he 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.960 finds a taxi cab and tells the cab driver to 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.840 take him towards his boarding house. How do we know 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.800 this because the cab driver testified that Oswald told him 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.320 to drop him off a couple of blocks away from 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:46.160 his boarding house. 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:50.600 He's obviously concerned or suspicious, trying to hide his tracks 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.280 make sure he isn't being followed. 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.840 At twelve forty five pm, just fifteen minutes after the 0:15:55.840 --> 0:16:00.840 President was shot, the Dallas PD had already rais out 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.640 a description white male five foot ten, one hundred and 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.440 sixty five pounds in his early thirties. And this was 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.080 all based on the account of one man who was 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.640 standing across the street and said he saw a man 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.400 of this description fire a rifle from the sixth floor. 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.160 So now they begin their search for a man who 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.080 roughly looks like Oswald. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:26.480 It's now almost one pm. Oswald gets out of the 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.840 cab and walks to the boarding house. The woman who 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.800 runs the boarding house, Arlene Roberts, said that Oswald went 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.920 into his room, grabbed his jacket and hurried out. And 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.920 at some point during that time he grabbed his revolver 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.280 and he left the boarding house and he started walking 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:48.800 towards the Texas Theater. At one sixteen PM, a Dallas 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:52.840 police officer named J. D. Tippett is patrolling the area 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.480 near Oswald's boarding house and he sees a man that 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.720 fits the description he received on his radio, and he 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.960 goes over to him. Now, there's a lot of conflicting 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:07.399 information about this, including from eyewitnesses. Some say Oswald was 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.680 stopped by Tippett. Others say Tippet stop someone else. There 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:15.240 are even reports that Tippett stopped two people. All we 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:19.360 know for sure is that Officer JD. Tippett was shot 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.160 four times and killed. 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.639 And it's never been definitely proven who did it. 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:28.480 Nope. Eyewitness testimony from the incident is all over the place. 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.080 The Tippet murder may be the subject of another podcast. 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.440 But what we do know for sure is what Oswald 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.439 does next. He goes to the movies, the movies. How 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.080 do we know he goes to the movies because someone 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:46.479 saw him slipping into the now famous Texas Theater without 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:50.560 paying and they called the police. So now I want 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:54.080 to ask you a question. Okay, shoot, okay. If you 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:57.679 were Oswald and you just shot the president of the 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.919 United States and you go into a movie theater to 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.160 lay low for a few hours, where would you sit. 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.000 I would hide in a dark corner somewhere. 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.640 That makes sense. Now to understand, I've been to the 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.280 Texas Theater and it's big, it's its seats around nine 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:16.280 hundred people. That afternoon there were only twenty people in 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.199 the theater. And now he could go anywhere. So what 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:22.239 does he do? He sits right down next to an 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.480 eighteen year old boy named Jack Davis. Now, I don't 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.320 know about you, but when I'm in a virtually empty 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:32.400 movie theater and a stranger comes in, they don't typically 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.600 sit right next to you. They leave you some space. 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:37.680 Yeah, that would be normal. 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.680 Yeah, right, But not Oswald. In a nearly empty theater, 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:44.840 he sits right next to someone that's weird. Yeah, it 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.919 is weird, and it gets weirder. After sitting next to 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.320 this eighteen year old Jack Davis, Oswell gets up and 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.800 he moves across the aisle and he sits down next 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.840 to somebody else, and a few minutes later he gets 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.640 up and he just strolls to the lobby. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.159 In the lobby, he buys popcorn, and the man selling 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.160 him the popcorn testified that this was at one point 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:07.399 fifteen PM. 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:12.480 But we know Tippett was killed at one sixteen he was, so. 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:16.679 Either Oswald didn't kill Tippett or the popcorn guy is 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.720 way off on his time. Anyway, Oswald goes back into 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.080 the theater and according to researches, he sits down next 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:25.240 to a pregnant woman. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:27.800 What do you think he's doing going from person to 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:28.959 person to person? 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:31.840 You know, I think he is looking for his contact. 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:32.840 His contact. 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.720 The theater could have been a planned meeting spot where 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.160 someone would be waiting to get him to a safe 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.480 house and then ultimately out of Dallas. 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:45.400 This is straight out of the intelligence operation playbooks. If 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:49.560 a plan goes wrong, go to your pre arranged meetup spot. 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.320 Except that after sitting next to all these people. None 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.679 of them respond, so he goes to the back of 0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:00.600 the theater and sits there alone. Within minutes, the Dallas 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:04.120 PD arrives, the lights go on in the theater. The 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.159 officers spot Oswald. Oswald pulls his gun, but before he 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:12.040 can fire, a struggle ensues. Oswald is subdued. They place 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.200 him under rest, and they put him in a squad car. 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.639 On the way to the police station, one of the officers, 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:22.000 Paul Bentley, recalled a conversation he had with Oswald. Quote, 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.440 I asked him inside the car on the way to 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:28.560 city Hall, did you kill our president, to which Oswald replied, 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:33.520 I haven't shot a damn person. As Oswald arrives at 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.720 the police station, someone asks him if he wanted to 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:41.120 hide his face from reporters, and he responds, why should I, 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.760 I haven't done anything to be ashamed of. As he 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:47.520 faces a barrage of questions from the press. There's someone 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:52.199 in that gaggle whose name you might remember, Jack Ruby. 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.080 It's been a little while since we've heard about him. 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.360 He was that local Dallas nightclub owner and low level mobster. 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.919 Any of the officers would frequent his club. They knew him, 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.119 and they didn't think much of him being there. But 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.520 like we said in our first episode, if you pull 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.800 on the Jack Ruby thread, a lot will come loose. 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:17.560 In the next episode, we'll give that thread another tug 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:21.760 and reveal who sent Ruby to take care of Oswald. 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.480 On the next episode of Who Killed JFK? 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:33.280 He called me about four or five o'clock and asked 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:35.960 me to go down to the police station and check 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:40.399 on Watch Security if any there was around Lee, Harvey 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:41.080 or Wall. 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.840 We take a look at who Jack Ruby really was. 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:49.119 Every line from Jack Ruby goes back to the mob, 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:54.439 and the mob kills people who can tell the true story. 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:00.520 Who Killed JFK is hosted by Rob Reiner and me 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:05.359 Solidad O'Brien and Our executive producers are Rob Reiner, Michelle Reiner, 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:10.120 Matt George, Jason English, David Hoffman, and me Solidad O'Brien. 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:14.320 Our writer is David Hoffman, with research by Dick Russell. 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:18.840 Our story editors are Rob Reiner and Julie Pineto. 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