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Speaker 4: neighbors to October twenty first, we have so much in
Speaker 4: store for you. We have a lot of things that
Speaker 4: we might not get to. But on a pot positive
Speaker 4: note for a pulled open cool update, the Rangers in
Speaker 4: Wyoming have decided to stop blowing up dead horses.
Speaker 3: I thought you're referring to a sports team for a second.
Speaker 3: I get you now the actual Rangers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're done with blowing up dead horses now.
Speaker 4: A lot of us, a lot of us would say cool.
Speaker 4: That's another headline like space bricks, that gives us a
Speaker 4: lot of questions. Already in the statement, it is apparently
Speaker 4: due to the wildfire risk that is posed when you
Speaker 4: blow up the horse carcass.
Speaker 3: Well, remember that story from years years back where they
Speaker 3: blew up a whale carcass on a beach somewhere, and
Speaker 3: it was a horrible idea because the guts and smelly,
Speaker 3: awful stuff just flew like, way way farther than they
Speaker 3: were expecting it. I mean, I know a horse isn't
Speaker 3: a whale, but still seems like there'd be some potential
Speaker 3: for catastrophic gut flinging.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you want to learn more, please do check
Speaker 4: out the excellent article in The Guardian publish pretty recently.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Richard Luscombe. Apparently this has been a
Speaker 4: ongoing policy. They just exploded the carcasses forever and now
Speaker 4: they are stopping it. So we're looking for good news. Obviously,
Speaker 4: there's a holy war going on, or it's being advertised
Speaker 4: as such. There's mysterious stuff washing up on beaches. We
Speaker 4: got true crime for you. We've got some dangerous automans,
Speaker 4: and of course, as we are all in love with space,
Speaker 4: we have some space exploration and we promise not to
Speaker 4: make too many you know, urine blood and potato flake jokes, right,
Speaker 4: can we promise that I can't do that?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: And that is refusing totally all.
Speaker 3: Right, given a soft yes, he's given a soft yes.
Speaker 3: Soft sorry to guarantee a thing like that. Ben, It
Speaker 3: just comes up, you know, and you got to go
Speaker 3: where the spirit moves you. Yeah. Agree.
Speaker 4: Also, Soft Yes is the band we made up for
Speaker 4: our pal Paul Deckett.
Speaker 3: Too Many Sich. Indeed, it's like a kind of a
Speaker 3: new wave synthpop type bane.
Speaker 4: He's still like he's not He was never mad about
Speaker 4: the joke, but he was disappointed. So folks, coming into
Speaker 4: tonight's exploration, you may have noticed longtime listeners that we
Speaker 4: had a classic episode published in place of our weekly
Speaker 4: listener mail segment. We are in good spirits, we're happy.
Speaker 4: Like many other people, we have been dealing with the
Speaker 4: aftermath of natural disasters in the southeastern United States, keeping
Speaker 4: the folks in North Carolina and our thoughts. They just
Speaker 4: got walloped with hurricane weather and then they got walloped
Speaker 4: with snow. It's actually snowing in parts of North Carolina.
Speaker 4: Now I heard that, yeah, And also I would argue
Speaker 4: we and the US entire has encountered something that people
Speaker 4: weren't predicting another knock on consequence of hurricanes, which is
Speaker 4: hurricane conspiracy theories.
Speaker 3: One of the.
Speaker 4: Elected politicians in our home state of Georgia controversially claimed
Speaker 4: that weather controlling technology was deployed heavily, implying that that
Speaker 4: was used to weaponize hurricanes. That is MTG, not Magic
Speaker 4: the Gathering, sadly, and I always wish it was magic
Speaker 4: the Gathering. What is it though, Ben Marjorie Taylor Green, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, sir, Sorry, I don't even she occupies so
Speaker 3: little real estate in my head. I don't even think
Speaker 3: of the acronym gotcha.
Speaker 4: It's a smart choice, smart choice not to think of it.
Speaker 4: Did you guys hear that statement from that point?
Speaker 3: Yeah? But yes, it's a bizarre thing to talk about,
Speaker 3: because I mean, we know that I mean to what end?
Speaker 3: First of all, you know what I mean, to deploy
Speaker 3: this technology were it to exist in this way? Like,
Speaker 3: what's the point. It just seems very expensive in terms
Speaker 3: of everyone's investment, whether it be FEMA, whether it be
Speaker 3: insurance companies. It just seems like a real dumb move.
Speaker 3: I just can't see any benefit to deploying this to
Speaker 3: ruin people's lives and skyrocket insurance rates.
Speaker 2: The accusations I've been seeing online have to do with
Speaker 2: an attempt to somehow mess up the early voting for
Speaker 2: the presidential election, which is it's troubling to see it
Speaker 2: like that. It's way yeah, when it's such an out
Speaker 2: there claim and then a lot of people take it
Speaker 2: seriously and then turn around and at least make a
Speaker 2: TikTok video about it or an Instagram reel about it,
Speaker 2: and then it just continues the flow.
Speaker 3: And well, speaking of flow, it's clogging up a lot
Speaker 3: of resources because they're having to take actual facts time
Speaker 3: to explain to people that know this is not the case,
Speaker 3: and it's taking away from like the work that they
Speaker 3: could be doing and and the other you know, types
Speaker 3: of communications they could be fielding that are much more
Speaker 3: life saving and livelihood saving.
Speaker 4: And to step back for the larger context, let's be
Speaker 4: quite transparent here. Weather modification technology does exist, but in
Speaker 4: a relatively primitive form. We've discussed it at length in
Speaker 4: episodes in the past. You can do things like cloud seeding.
Speaker 4: The problem is global weather systems are highly interconnected, so
Speaker 4: you're not you know, it's a it's a lot less
Speaker 4: like pushing one domino down without interfering with other dominoes.
Speaker 4: And it's a lot more like flicking you know, a
Speaker 4: mobile or a mobile you know, I'm talking about the
Speaker 4: little things that hang sure from the baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: And so it affects this system. And often when we
Speaker 4: hear conspiracies or claims of conspiracy about weather modification, it's
Speaker 4: putting a lot of no offense science. It's putting in
Speaker 4: a lot of undeserved credit toward current weather. Right, and
Speaker 4: thank you for beving me there, because there's not a
Speaker 4: level of discrete control. Every country that has tried it
Speaker 4: has gotten smacked with unforeseen consequences, from US operations in
Speaker 4: the Southeast Theater to Chinese cloud seeding in advance of
Speaker 4: things like the two thousand and eight Olympics, and so
Speaker 4: the weather modification that's just one thing. We could even
Speaker 4: do an episode on this, if.
Speaker 2: You don't mind, Ben, I just think there's just two
Speaker 2: things we get to point out here. We know that
Speaker 2: there are advanced research projects that DARPA funds for things
Speaker 2: that would attempt to be more robust weather modification.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: We know that DARPA funds that kind of stuff, and
Speaker 2: we also know that we don't know all of the
Speaker 2: research projects that are happening anywhere that have a darkened
Speaker 2: budget somehow. And when you've got somebody in the position
Speaker 2: of Marjorie Taylor Green or somebody like that, there's a
Speaker 2: perception that because this person holds that position, they may
Speaker 2: know more than we do, because they've been maybe privy
Speaker 2: to documentation that the public doesn't get access to. So
Speaker 2: then there's this feeling, at least a perception that maybe
Speaker 2: this could be real when you have somebody at that
Speaker 2: level speaking so certainly about it publicly, and it really
Speaker 2: just does feel dangerous because, as you're saying, some other
Speaker 2: modification is real, and it's not out of the realm
Speaker 2: of possibility that something like that could exist, but the
Speaker 2: fact that somebody is saying it with so certainly that
Speaker 2: it is definitely happening, it just causes I think some
Speaker 2: of our brains to malfunction a little bit.
Speaker 4: And believe it right, You anticipated my final point there,
Speaker 4: which is, yes, Congress does members of legislation or legislator
Speaker 4: they do have access to things that are occluded from
Speaker 4: the voting public. Therefore, yes, let's let that point stand.
Speaker 4: What we do need to get to here is the
Speaker 4: moment of empathy. Please, please, folks take a moment and
Speaker 4: realize that the people at FEMA are not villains. They're
Speaker 4: working so hard, right, and often underpaid. There are a
Speaker 4: lot of misconceptions about FEMA, and one of the misconceptions
Speaker 4: that seems to be proliferating now even more so than
Speaker 4: it did in the wake of things like Katrina is
Speaker 4: the idea that FEMA is part of a deep state
Speaker 4: bound up in the idea of weather modification as well.
Speaker 4: And we were talking about FEMA briefly off air. Would
Speaker 4: you guys say there is more disinformation spreading about FEMA
Speaker 4: in the wake of these disasters or is this par
Speaker 4: for the course.
Speaker 3: It feels like certainly more, because it's an active effort.
Speaker 3: And it's almost like, in situations like this, you barely
Speaker 3: even need people stir in the pot to get the
Speaker 3: potential for those kinds of conspiracy theories floating around. And
Speaker 3: so when you actually have people actively proliferating misinformation, it
Speaker 3: stirs the pot in a really really chaotic and nasty way.
Speaker 3: And like you know, I mean, if I were to
Speaker 3: imagine what type of weather control or modification technology is
Speaker 3: being researched or would be deployed in our country by
Speaker 3: our government. Maybe I'm naive here, but I'd like to
Speaker 3: think that it would be stuff that could break up
Speaker 3: storm systems like that, right, you know, before they get
Speaker 3: to the places that it's literally decimating our country. It
Speaker 3: just doesn't make sense. I don't understand and I don't
Speaker 3: see a particular political viewpoint being targeted in these demographics
Speaker 3: that were hit Georgia, North Carolina. These are places I mean,
Speaker 3: I just don't understand. These are places that it's it
Speaker 3: seems would largely support Marjorie Taylor Green's political ambit.
Speaker 2: I think that's what's being said, right, that they're being
Speaker 2: targeted because they are conservative voters.
Speaker 3: Oh so it's the other side that's doue.
Speaker 4: I gotch Okay, see the ideas I would interfere with
Speaker 4: early voting. To step back to the point we were
Speaker 4: making their No. One thing these regions have in common
Speaker 4: is that they are historically geographically vulnerable to hurricanes. A
Speaker 4: little known fact. There have been and I love that
Speaker 4: point you made, There have been historical efforts to control hurricanes.
Speaker 4: They have failed in the decades between the nineteen sixties
Speaker 4: and the nineteen eighties, Uncle Sam toyed with the idea
Speaker 4: of making storms bigger in size but weaker in intensity.
Speaker 4: The idea being we could spread out I say we,
Speaker 4: I was not involved in this this year, that you
Speaker 4: could spread out this thing and through spreading it out
Speaker 4: reduce the tremendous damage. They Yeah, General Electric in the
Speaker 4: US military back in nineteen forty seven dropped a dry
Speaker 4: ice out of Air Force planes into the path of
Speaker 4: a hurricane and they thought, maybe that'll weaken it. Spoiler,
Speaker 4: that also didn't work. What I'm trying to bring us
Speaker 4: back to here is the idea that FEMA itself is getting.
Speaker 4: People contracting for FEMA are having to stop working. To
Speaker 4: your earlier point about resource allocation, they're having to stop
Speaker 4: because they are being targeted by militias, by bad faith actors,
Speaker 4: people who drank the Flavor aid and yes it was
Speaker 4: Flavor eight folks, not equilly. But have you heard have
Speaker 4: you guys heard about the idea that FEMA I almost
Speaker 4: said operatives, but like people working for FEMA or under
Speaker 4: that auspice are being targeted.
Speaker 3: YEA, death threats and the like. And there's things just
Speaker 3: that are life threatening at the worst and horribly distracting.
Speaker 3: Maybe at the most diplomatic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, one particular contractor I think pulled back
Speaker 2: all of their workers right after some death threats from individuals. Right,
Speaker 2: not at least early on in the reporting. It wasn't
Speaker 2: a whole group or someone that was coming out and saying,
Speaker 2: you know, we're going to attack you, but it was
Speaker 2: individuals who these groups were continually encountering, like one homeowner
Speaker 2: to the next one, where there was an actual threat.
Speaker 2: And it got to the point where I think someone
Speaker 2: even got arrested.
Speaker 4: Right, Yes, that's correct. Yeah, And this is why I
Speaker 4: think this could be an episode. As we go into
Speaker 4: that idea, it's important to correct a common misconception a
Speaker 4: lot of folks have about FEMA, which is FEMA doesn't
Speaker 4: really have its own you know, standing Army of water
Speaker 4: mitigation experts, have you, They partner with other groups, right,
Speaker 4: They will partner with the Army Corps of Engineers. They
Speaker 4: will reach out to local and regional contractors. So we
Speaker 4: were talking about this a little bit off air. The
Speaker 4: dangerous thing about what's been happening here, especially in North
Speaker 4: Carolina quite recently, is the idea that the guy who
Speaker 4: was your sump pump, dude, you know two years ago.
Speaker 4: Now all of a sudden, he's part of a deep state.
Speaker 4: The logic struggles, right, and we know that in specific,
Speaker 4: the rampant disinformation began as FEMA was responding to Hurricane Helene,
Speaker 4: which as we know, hit Florida on September twenty sixth
Speaker 4: and ultimately left a trail of wild destruction across six
Speaker 4: different states. People were also criticizing the current Biden administration,
Speaker 4: as we record again with the with the concept being
Speaker 4: the larger narrative spine being that there is a concerted
Speaker 4: effort of some sort to disenfranchise people who might vote
Speaker 4: one way or another. And I feel like it's gonna
Speaker 4: it's gonna continue. You use the word decimate earlier Nol
Speaker 4: and Helene in particular, and also later Milton decimated remote towns,
Speaker 4: which means they didn't obliterate them, but they definitely they
Speaker 4: definitely made things.
Speaker 3: Terrible, right. But some of them, though, are that are
Speaker 3: just gone, you know.
Speaker 4: And FEMA had to advise all federal responders in Rutherford
Speaker 4: County to leave the county immediately.
Speaker 3: UH.
Speaker 4: The US Force Service also sent multiple reports to two
Speaker 4: associated agencies because of the concern that armed militias would
Speaker 4: would take action against them based on these conspiracy theories.
Speaker 4: If you want to read more, please do check out
Speaker 4: the excellent article in the Washington Post by Brianna Sachs
Speaker 4: and Dan Lamoth. North Carolina authorities arrest and armed man
Speaker 4: after threats against FEMA workers. So they did at least
Speaker 4: arrest one guy. His name's William Jacob Parsons, he's forty
Speaker 4: four years old, because he was making actionable threats against
Speaker 4: a government agency. And I know, I don't you know
Speaker 4: you've heard this show, fellow conspiracy realist. We talk a
Speaker 4: lot of trash. I think we're very fair about it,
Speaker 4: but we also don't make actionable threats against federal level agencies,
Speaker 4: and you also should avoid doing that.
Speaker 3: Is that fair? Yoh? Yeah? Bad for him? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just want to go back to this fear of FEMA.
Speaker 2: Do you remember the FEMA camps theories that we covered
Speaker 2: early in the video series, when people thought there were
Speaker 2: FEMA detention camps that were being set up for basically
Speaker 2: political prisoners to be can mass again, the coffin liners,
Speaker 2: the black plastic coffin liners that were seen in satellite imagery.
Speaker 3: What do you think it is about them that breeds
Speaker 3: that kind of thinking. I guess I don't fully understand
Speaker 3: where this comes from.
Speaker 4: Because they're often going into rural areas and it's a
Speaker 4: federal level force. And if you are not you know,
Speaker 4: if you're not familiar with the structure of FEBA, then
Speaker 4: you know also you're encountering one of the most terrible
Speaker 4: times of your life. You are not maybe cognizant that
Speaker 4: these are a lot of contractors, right, They don't work
Speaker 4: for FEMA full time. They travel around to address these things.
Speaker 4: To imagine, you're in a fairly localized environment and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, this big acronym sweeps in. Right, they're
Speaker 4: going through the door. They're telling you things. If you're
Speaker 4: already kind of a small government or less is better
Speaker 4: kind of ideological stance, then this does seem this can
Speaker 4: seem very evil empire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and they they generally make big moves, right,
Speaker 2: because we're saying there's like individuals going door to door,
Speaker 2: like teams going door to door. But when FEMA moves
Speaker 2: to an area to set up AID essentially for a region,
Speaker 2: they move in mass and they create big areas where
Speaker 2: they're operating out of and if you know, you've got
Speaker 2: people online maybe taking a video of FEMA response area
Speaker 2: coming up while you're saying, you know, things that sound
Speaker 2: kind of scary into the camera about it.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it feels.
Speaker 2: Like, oh man, this is God. I mean, it literally
Speaker 2: is government moving into our area.
Speaker 3: It's an occupation that's being interpreted as an occupation.
Speaker 2: It depends on the context that's being delivered to you
Speaker 2: around whatever is actually happening. I don't know, it just
Speaker 2: it goes back to the eighties because I didn't realize
Speaker 2: there's stuff in here about Reagan when FEMA was operating
Speaker 2: and there were like real fears about it, which probably
Speaker 2: you know, then go into things like some of the
Speaker 2: raids that occurred and are very famous nowadays. I think
Speaker 2: it all gets intertwined, and this whole thing doesn't help,
Speaker 2: especially when there's actual facts stuff being reported by CBS
Speaker 2: and other places about those lithium mines in North Carolina
Speaker 2: and about the Pentagon's massive, massive injection of money, like
Speaker 2: ninety million dollars into the lithium mines by the Pentagon
Speaker 2: last year, last September. So then you add that as context,
Speaker 2: and then you start talking about Oh, they just want
Speaker 2: this lithium, right.
Speaker 3: So if we declare it a disaster area and we
Speaker 3: can swoop in and take control, then that's is that
Speaker 3: kind of the idea.
Speaker 2: My point is that you combine all these things together
Speaker 2: and you make it sound very scary, and to somebody
Speaker 2: on the ground there who was seeing bits and pieces
Speaker 2: of it in real life, it then becomes terrifying in
Speaker 2: something you need to take action against.
Speaker 4: So we also see that US meteorologists have been facing
Speaker 4: death threats, which is terrible because I always feel like meteorologists.
Speaker 4: I think everyone can agree. If you're meteorologists, you get
Speaker 4: a lot of flak because you're already in a kobayashe
Speaker 4: Maru situation, an unwinnable thing. So in either a future
Speaker 4: listener mail segment or in perhaps an episode, we'll address
Speaker 4: some of the things briefly referenced here, such as the
Speaker 4: lithium mind conspiracy. Thank you again to everybody from North
Speaker 4: Carolina in particular who has taken the time to contact
Speaker 4: us regarding this. Went on Twitter, which is now peak
Speaker 4: conspiracy and asked about some other hurricane theories, which we
Speaker 4: will get to the original point. We want to end
Speaker 4: on here. Despite this brief discourse is to please stay safe,
Speaker 4: please exercise empathy and understand. The points made earlier refer
Speaker 4: to the fact that when people don't have all the
Speaker 4: information and they're in a very scary time, humans are
Speaker 4: pattern recognizers, right, Humans are in organizers curators of experience.
Speaker 4: So we can predictably see more dangerous disinformation in the
Speaker 4: near to mid future because natural disasters will continue at
Speaker 4: dare I say an unnatural pace would love to hear
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Speaker 4: but for now, I think it's time we take a
Speaker 4: trip to a beach.
Speaker 3: And we have returned and Ben set it up perfectly.
Speaker 3: I do have two sort of shorter stories today, but
Speaker 3: the first one does involve a trip to a beach
Speaker 3: the coast of Newfoundland in Canada, where beach combers since
Speaker 3: September have been spotting some very unusual material washing up
Speaker 3: on the beach amidst the jellyfish and kelp and all
Speaker 3: of that good stuff. This stuff much more closely resembles
Speaker 3: like something akin to fried dough, or like sort of
Speaker 3: globules of like pizza dough. Almost. It's really bizarre. There's
Speaker 3: a guy from Newfoundland from the area who spoke to
Speaker 3: the BBC's Jessica Murphy from their report on this, who
Speaker 3: said that it was like someone had tried to bake
Speaker 3: bread and done a lousy job, and described it smelling
Speaker 3: something akin to vegetable oil. And there have been reports
Speaker 3: of this weird globby stuff washing up, like I said,
Speaker 3: since September, and government officials in Ottawa, which is the
Speaker 3: part of Canada where Newfoundland is, have visited the site
Speaker 3: multiple times and done some testing, preliminary testing which has
Speaker 3: thus far determined the material to be plant based. And
Speaker 3: if you go to this BBC article you should be
Speaker 3: able to find it. Just by googling mysterious Blobs on
Speaker 3: the BBC you can see lots of pictures of this
Speaker 3: stuff and it really does look kind of like wet,
Speaker 3: squishy blobs of dough. There has been a lot of
Speaker 3: online chatter about this, a lot of speculation from different
Speaker 3: beachcomber groups online, and I imagine it's started to filter
Speaker 3: out into other corners of the Internet. But some of
Speaker 3: the conjecture involves thinking it to be some kind of
Speaker 3: mold or fungus, or perhaps palm oil, paraffin wax, or
Speaker 3: even amber grease, which I'm certain we've discussed on the
Speaker 3: show before. It is a really great Bob's Burgers episode
Speaker 3: about amber grease, which is this really smelly waxy stuff
Speaker 3: that is expelled from the bellies of whales and it
Speaker 3: actually I don't quite understand the problem, but it is
Speaker 3: used to make fine perfumes and phrase and it's very,
Speaker 3: very valuable.
Speaker 4: It adds depth, warmth and longevity to the scent.
Speaker 3: So they say it's weird how valuable it is. But
Speaker 3: to check out the Bob's Burgers episode about ambergrease, I
Speaker 3: think Gene like really enjoys eating it. And it's a
Speaker 3: whole thing involving mister fishoder and you know, all of
Speaker 3: the folks down at the beach in Bob's Burgers. The
Speaker 3: Environment and Climate Change Canada Office, a spokesperson of there,
Speaker 3: told the BBC that they're going to have to take
Speaker 3: some additional samples and analyze further in order to determine
Speaker 3: what the substance is and what its potential environmental impact
Speaker 3: might be. They have largely been spotted in an area
Speaker 3: the shorelines of an area called Placenta Bay. It's kind
Speaker 3: of weird, sent yeah, but I mean you can't ignore well,
Speaker 3: you can't ignore it, guys. I mean these things do
Speaker 3: oh kind of have.
Speaker 4: Like a Placenta kind of look to but they know
Speaker 4: the composition though, right, like isn't the sort of isn't
Speaker 4: the question more providence like the origin and the why?
Speaker 3: Oh? Ben? You know, all I saw in the BBC reporting,
Speaker 3: which is largely what I saw other people kind of sighting,
Speaker 3: was that they determined it to be plant based. But
Speaker 3: did you maybe see an update that I missed?
Speaker 4: Well, we we you know, we're fascinated with this stuff,
Speaker 4: especially with our previous collaborations on Strange Things Falling from
Speaker 4: the sky.
Speaker 3: And I love the Angel goo what was it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, right right right, Star Jelly.
Speaker 3: That's the fun, Yeah, Angel Goose, Star Jelly Potato.
Speaker 4: So I love that you're bringing this story up because
Speaker 4: I read that the blobs were formed from uh or
Speaker 4: seemed to be comprised of seaweed, sand and small stones.
Speaker 4: But they're slippery and apparently they can They're also flammable,
Speaker 4: which I don't associate with, you know, snot of the sea,
Speaker 4: and I love it. No, you know, I love snot
Speaker 4: of the sea. I eat oysters all the time.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, how very brave was the man who first
Speaker 3: ate an oyster? Yeah I do too. Yeah no, but
Speaker 3: you know it's funny like the article from Jessica Murphy
Speaker 3: from the twelfth of October today being the sixteenth didn't
Speaker 3: have that detail in it, So I appreciate you bringing
Speaker 3: that up because that is very interesting. I do think
Speaker 3: that there will still need to be more data collected
Speaker 3: and analyzed for them to understand where it comes from,
Speaker 3: because it could potentially be a side effect or a
Speaker 3: byproduct of something else, like some sort of maybe manufacturing
Speaker 3: process or what have you, that could be either out
Speaker 3: of step with regulations causing you know, further pollution or contamination,
Speaker 3: or it could be something more unusual than that. There
Speaker 3: is a really interesting quote that wraps up this article
Speaker 3: from that stand Tobin guy who called it badly big bread.
Speaker 3: He he lives in an area called ship Cove, which
Speaker 3: is a very small village along the bay, and he
Speaker 3: walks on the beaches often, and he described it as
Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of globs, big globs, little globs with
Speaker 3: about a maximum diameter of six inches or fifteen centimeters.
Speaker 3: He's the one who he's one of the people who
Speaker 3: initially called the Canadian Coast Guard to report what he
Speaker 3: had seen. And he had this to say, which I
Speaker 3: thought was a good way of wrapping up the story.
Speaker 3: Somebody or somebody's know where this came from and how
Speaker 3: it got there and knows damn well it's not supposed
Speaker 3: to be here. So you know, Tobin's got the right idea,
Speaker 3: he gets it. But yeah, do you guys, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think this is one to follow. I mean, it
Speaker 3: could be nothing, but I know, as you said, Ben,
Speaker 3: we're always a fan of mysterious globular substances. Did you
Speaker 3: guys have anything to have before I move on to
Speaker 3: this next one?
Speaker 2: Sounds like a yeasty, yucky thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the beast on Yeasty tried to can we sell
Speaker 4: it at like a high dollar you know, better breakfast
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 3: Gene from Bob's Burgers would have eaten it first thing.
Speaker 3: That's exactly Yeah, that's exactly what would have happened. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: very very very very weird, weird looking stuff interesting that
Speaker 3: nobody quite knows where it's coming from yet, but hopefully
Speaker 3: we'll hear some more soon. I am going to move
Speaker 3: from Canada to still pretty northern area Michigan, you know,
Speaker 3: the Upper Peninsula. It's kind of Canada like in some ways.
Speaker 3: It does feel oftentimes parts of Michigan feel like a
Speaker 3: different universe. And I guess maybe I'm romanticizing it because
Speaker 3: of that incredible Soufia and Stevens album Michigan that does
Speaker 3: paint this very kind of lore rich portrait of Michigan
Speaker 3: and the different parts of it from you know, his
Speaker 3: perspective growing up there. But this is not about that
Speaker 3: kind of vibe. This is a pretty horrific thing that
Speaker 3: happened to some children and some medical professionals back in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, apparently at a psychiatric hospital for children.
Speaker 3: A active shooter drill took place. At this facility, a
Speaker 3: state run facility known as Hawthorne Center in suburban Detroit.
Speaker 3: An announcement came over the loudspeaker's system in the in
Speaker 3: the hospital announcing that two armed men had entered the
Speaker 3: state run facility and shots had been fired. And this,
Speaker 3: as you might imagine, set off a series of let's say,
Speaker 3: anxiety ridden events, you know, from the patients, from the staff,
Speaker 3: and that is because nobody was told about this. It was,
Speaker 3: in fact not true that there was an active shooter.
Speaker 3: This was a drill, and a painfully misplaced drill. Let's
Speaker 3: just say, wherever the intentions might have been, heart being
Speaker 3: in the right place, what have you, It did did
Speaker 3: not go over well. So apparently one hundred it is
Speaker 3: traumatic and we're going to get to what that means.
Speaker 3: But the attorney in this case, there is to your point,
Speaker 3: then there is trauma to be had and litigated. There
Speaker 3: is an attorney in this case, because it's happened back
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, had this to say. It was horrifying.
Speaker 3: Everyone went into oh my god, this is the worst
Speaker 3: day of my life mode. She said, the lawyers say that.
Speaker 3: The lawyer saying this, yeah. Wagner, Robin Wagner had this
Speaker 3: to say. She said, people were hiding under their desks,
Speaker 3: they were barricading the doors, trying to figure out how
Speaker 3: to protect the children. All this is being said because
Speaker 3: it was announced this week on the fifteenth, as we
Speaker 3: record today, on the sixteenth yesterday, the story came out
Speaker 3: of the Detroit AP. A judge has approved thirteen million
Speaker 3: dollars in damages, essentially in a settlement that was announced
Speaker 3: over this unannounced active shooter drill that took place at
Speaker 3: once again a psychiatric hospital for children. Seems legit, guys,
Speaker 3: you know, ben Us said traumatic completely the case. Police
Speaker 3: apparently were not notified and that first series of kind
Speaker 3: of frantic phone calls and texts and barricadings and all
Speaker 3: of that led to swat teams, heavily armed police forces
Speaker 3: coming down to the facility to address this active shooter
Speaker 3: situation that had been reported for multiple people present. I
Speaker 3: just can't imagine what someone was thinking. It was apparently
Speaker 3: organized by the Hawthorne Center safety director who works for
Speaker 3: the state, who is probably getting fired, I would imagine.
Speaker 3: So it didn't say in the AP piece that I read,
Speaker 3: but it did say the hospital was subsequently closed for
Speaker 3: reasons unrelated. But maybe this points to a larger mismanagement
Speaker 3: type problem. But the good news is that the Court
Speaker 3: of Claims Judge James read For proved the settlements early
Speaker 3: this month on October fourth, showing that more than three
Speaker 3: million dollars will be going to attorneys and between fifty
Speaker 3: and sixty thousand dollars apiece going to the children and
Speaker 3: their families and also the personnel that were put in
Speaker 3: the middle of this utterly horrifying debacle of a situation.
Speaker 3: I mean, And of course the takeaway here is thank
Speaker 3: god it wasn't a real active shooter situation. But good lord,
Speaker 3: this is a bungled drill.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, guys, what do you think?
Speaker 4: It reminds me of the twenty eighteen false missile alert
Speaker 4: in Hawaii, But you could argue it's even more immediate
Speaker 4: and therefore more damaging. I guess for most people listening,
Speaker 4: and not to make presumptions, but for many people in
Speaker 4: the US listening, you might think of it as a
Speaker 4: more black mirror version of the fire alarm drills which
Speaker 4: used to happen all the time at our office or
Speaker 4: on a semi regular basis. And it was kind of
Speaker 4: a conspiracy because if it is a drill, you can't
Speaker 4: let people know, right, But they didn't let everybody who
Speaker 4: should know know, so it seems.
Speaker 3: Like it didn't scream fire over the fricking pa either, right, right.
Speaker 4: But also, you know, local law enforcement would ideally, And
Speaker 4: I'm assuming here, so you guys correct me if i'm
Speaker 4: if I'm wrong. I'm assuming that local law enforcement would
Speaker 4: need to be able to have visibility on this such
Speaker 4: that they can discern the difference between a drill and
Speaker 4: an active shooter. And shout out to our friend Lauren
Speaker 4: Vogelbaum for teaching us the word actual facts.
Speaker 3: I obviously use the long may she rain. She's coined
Speaker 3: plenty of those in her day. Love you, Lauren. Just
Speaker 3: just to give a little bit of numbers really quickly
Speaker 3: to the settlement, fifty children of the hospital are going
Speaker 3: to get around sixty thousand dollars a year. Ninety people
Speaker 3: among the staff will receive fifty thousand dollars each And
Speaker 3: here's the kind of weird little kicker. And I guess
Speaker 3: they have to have some sort of rebreak to measure
Speaker 3: this stuff with. But apparently the amount they're receiving will
Speaker 3: depend on their score on a trauma exam. And then
Speaker 3: there are two dozen others that are going to get
Speaker 3: smaller amounts. But I guess I've never really thought about
Speaker 3: the idea of taking a trauma exam. I feel like, oh, yeah, trauma,
Speaker 3: it have to be though if it makes perfect sense,
Speaker 3: but it just seems like, you know, how do you
Speaker 3: measure such things, especially so far removed from the actual events.
Speaker 3: But I guess it would have to do with how
Speaker 3: much sleep if you loss, do you have nightmares about it?
Speaker 3: Those kinds of questions would seem to be appropriate.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about you know, but when my
Speaker 2: son's school does an active shooter drill like this, and
Speaker 2: they do elementary schools, do these active shooter drills.
Speaker 3: On until they say over the pa, there's an active shooter.
Speaker 2: My understanding is they let the kids know what's happening.
Speaker 2: But I've never been present when one of these drills
Speaker 2: has gone on because they happen during school hours, sure,
Speaker 2: and we're often notified like day of or or right
Speaker 2: before or right after a drill has occurred, and I'll
Speaker 2: often have a conversation with my son about it before
Speaker 2: I know anything else. And I just imagine being a kid,
Speaker 2: as you guys were talking about with those fire drills
Speaker 2: or tornado drills we used to do, just being in
Speaker 2: that situation where you are pretending that somebody's got a
Speaker 2: gun in your school and they're coming to kill you
Speaker 2: and anybody else just what that does to you.
Speaker 3: And one how sad is that we're at a place,
Speaker 3: you know, in this country now where this is being
Speaker 3: added to the list of necessary types of drills, and
Speaker 3: we're no longer just scared about fire. Oop. Somebody you
Speaker 3: know set a waste paper basket on fire, and now
Speaker 3: you know people have to know how to react. This
Speaker 3: is something so much more traumatic long term, just the
Speaker 3: thought that this could happen at any time. And it's
Speaker 3: not like there isn't plenty of information out on the
Speaker 3: news that you'll hadually have on in the radio and
Speaker 3: you're on the way to school taking your kid hearing
Speaker 3: about all of these horrible events. It's it's tough because
Speaker 3: it's like your choices are kind of either to like
Speaker 3: live in fear as a child, but do we know
Speaker 3: children are really adaptable or just sort of normalize it.
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure which is worse. It makes me sad.
Speaker 3: It makes me sad. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's good to be prepared.
Speaker 3: I just feel like it.
Speaker 2: Creates crazy anxiety in a mind that isn't ready to
Speaker 2: handle that kind of thing. But they have to be
Speaker 2: ready now, which is insane.
Speaker 3: It is insane. Yeah, I don't know, Ben, Did you
Speaker 3: have any other thoughts on this one?
Speaker 4: Yes, but I almost want to save them for an episode.
Speaker 4: I don't want to recap the I mean, the normalization
Speaker 4: we talked about. That, that's true. We have to remember
Speaker 4: also that there is an evolution of fear driven drills,
Speaker 4: which are necessary, as was pointing out earlier, for a
Speaker 4: certain amount of preparation. But also we have to consider
Speaker 4: to your point and all the knock on long term effects.
Speaker 4: You know, we have people in the audience tonight who
Speaker 4: experience the terrifying nuclear attack drills of the Cold War
Speaker 4: hide over the desk, and you know that's not going
Speaker 4: to do a gosh darn thing when some of us,
Speaker 4: maybe in the younger part of the crowd, experience those
Speaker 4: tornado drills where you just had to stick your butt
Speaker 4: into the center of the hallway and put your head
Speaker 4: toward the corner.
Speaker 3: Head between legs, right with your hands over your interlaced behind.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, similar to the old aircraft crash position, put your
Speaker 4: head between your knees and kiss your butt goodbye the shit.
Speaker 4: Careful with that joke. It's an antique, but I think
Speaker 4: I think it's worth examining whether there are better ways
Speaker 4: to educate and prepare children other than something as traumatic
Speaker 4: as this. That's that's just my two cents. Adjusted for inflation,
Speaker 4: that's like eight cents.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I think that's a you know, let's tay,
Speaker 3: let's call it twenty cents, because I think you're onto something, Ben,
Speaker 3: don't you guys think this might be a good use
Speaker 3: of augmented reality or some sort of use of VR.
Speaker 3: You know, for something like this, you know, the stakes
Speaker 3: are not what they might seem. You know, in a
Speaker 3: drill like this, you know you hear in control. But
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess maybe you have to kind of
Speaker 3: feel like you're not in control, otherwise you might not
Speaker 3: react correctly. I don't know, guys, I'm with you that
Speaker 3: there must be a better way. I don't know what
Speaker 3: it is, but just the idea of AR and VR
Speaker 3: came to mind because I mean, Matt, I mean, the
Speaker 3: other one who turned us on to some of that
Speaker 3: VR stuff, And even if it's pixily as hell, the
Speaker 3: all encompassing nature of it does cause your mind to
Speaker 3: accept it as real. I just think, you know, you
Speaker 3: could use that to mimic a situation where you needed
Speaker 3: to react a certain way, and maybe that could be
Speaker 3: a good stand in for something like that that feels
Speaker 3: so you know, dangerous, because again, I mean, I can't
Speaker 3: imagine mad that at your kids' school they scream over
Speaker 3: the loud speakers that there's a shooter there. That's the
Speaker 3: part that's jacked up about this story, right that. I mean,
Speaker 3: if they did that every time, there'd be way more
Speaker 3: lawsuits like that. So I think that's where the people
Speaker 3: in charge of this facility obviously went wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't confirm this specifically by my son's school,
Speaker 2: but I know often they use a code word, like
Speaker 2: a code something that they'll say over the speakers, or
Speaker 2: you know, a phrase or something, and then often a
Speaker 2: tone or something that will play that is basically a
Speaker 2: message to the teachers that often the kids are aware
Speaker 2: of and then they go into a drill. But that's
Speaker 2: at least the way I have seen it portrayed in
Speaker 2: the past.
Speaker 3: And I also got a wonder too, like is it
Speaker 3: enough just to have that code word and to be
Speaker 3: able to react in a very codified way rather than
Speaker 3: be told that there's a shooter, which is then going
Speaker 3: to create an every person for themselves kind of situation
Speaker 3: as opposed to having like procedure. You know, I just
Speaker 3: wonder because you know, you obviously need to be able
Speaker 3: to react if someone comes into your classroom, but it's
Speaker 3: also at that point, is there anything much you can do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's often if somebody is on the school property.
Speaker 2: At least again, what I'm I get, what I've seen.
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate both of y'all's perspectives, and it's it's
Speaker 3: scary stuff. But those are my two for today, y'all.
Speaker 3: So let's take a quick word from our sponsor and
Speaker 3: then return with one last piece of strange news.
Speaker 2: And we're back. This is epig Old grab bag, a
Speaker 2: couple of updates. You always talked about Boeing a whole bunch,
Speaker 2: Just gonna bring this little ditty to our attention. In
Speaker 2: CNN Business, Chris Isidore wrote on Tuesday, October fifteenth, Boeing's
Speaker 2: crisis is getting worse now it's borrowing tens of billions
Speaker 2: of dollars. I'm just gonna get meg A layoffs too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a couple of lines here. It
Speaker 2: gives you a context. These are Chris's words. Boeing's debt
Speaker 2: surged in the last six years, as Boeing reported core
Speaker 2: operating losses of more than thirty three billion dollars. Its
Speaker 2: commercial airline production has ground to a near halt by
Speaker 2: a month long strike by thirty three thousand members of
Speaker 2: the International Association of Machinists. Talks between Boeing and the
Speaker 2: International Association of Machinists or IAM broke down last week
Speaker 2: with no new negotiations planned, and on Friday, Friday before
Speaker 2: we're recording this, Boeing's new CEO, Kelly Orthberg, announced plans
Speaker 2: to cut ten percent of its worldwide staff of around
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy one thousand people or around seventeen
Speaker 2: thousand human beings.
Speaker 4: But don't worry, folks, they're all from quality control.
Speaker 2: That's right, just the folks who do the last checks.
Speaker 3: That's not true.
Speaker 2: We're joking, but that is the stuff we've been talking about.
Speaker 2: That's why this is an update, because Boeing is suffering very,
Speaker 2: very badly from poorly manufactured or poorly manufactured parts that
Speaker 2: then get assembled and don't fit right. Here's last bit.
Speaker 2: So yesterday, as we record this episode, Boeing announced plans
Speaker 2: to borrow ten billion from a consortium of banks. It
Speaker 2: also separately announced plans to raise twenty five billion dollars
Speaker 2: by selling stock and its debt. Isn't that interesting You
Speaker 2: just sell your debt like that sh raise some money.
Speaker 2: So anyway, not looking good for Boeing. Anything you guys
Speaker 2: on that end or anything else we need to add there.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. It just doesn't look good. I mean,
Speaker 3: I know they're one of those companies that's described as
Speaker 3: like in that too big to fail bracket, but they
Speaker 3: sure are failing pretty hard. I don't see it getting
Speaker 3: much better for them, And doesn't it seem like laying
Speaker 3: off workforce is not the best way to up their quality.
Speaker 2: Control ultimately, I think that's a cost saving measure probably. Also,
Speaker 2: they're in a you know, a battle with a union,
Speaker 2: which we have seen retaliation before when there's a union
Speaker 2: battle happening, where they just let a bunch of people go,
Speaker 2: so in the company's mind, they can pay the rest
Speaker 2: of the people that stay whatever the costs are, right
Speaker 2: that they're trying to negotiate. It's a it's a thing
Speaker 2: that happens. I don't know with.
Speaker 4: Great respect, I would pause it that we are looking
Speaker 4: at conflicting priorities due to the structure of Boeing's ownership, Right,
Speaker 4: they are beholden to deliver certain certain profits, right, certain
Speaker 4: metric performances, and sometimes that can be priority that contradicts
Speaker 4: stuff you would imagine would be the day one things
Speaker 4: for a company that manufactures tangible assets. Know what, you
Speaker 4: have made a great point regarding the too big to fail.
Speaker 4: It may be possible that Boeing gets acquired by something else.
Speaker 4: But when you're looking at the big dogs in commercial aircraft,
Speaker 4: you're looking at Boeing an air bus, and you know,
Speaker 4: not to put too fine a point on it, but
Speaker 4: I don't think any potus would want to be beholden
Speaker 4: to France, which is you know, of course where Airbus
Speaker 4: is based. Isn't that right, aren't they French?
Speaker 3: I think that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean to that end, Boeing expects
Speaker 2: to report a loss of nine point ninety seven dollars
Speaker 2: a share in the third quarter, which you know, what
Speaker 2: do you do when you're gonna report a big loss,
Speaker 2: Cut some people and save some money.
Speaker 4: Oh and the quality control thing, by the way, yes, folks,
Speaker 4: I was. I was entirely joking. I'm working on material
Speaker 4: for a live show on election night, and I'm trying
Speaker 4: to get I'm trying to get our guys here to
Speaker 4: maybe do some videos for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just always be closy.
Speaker 2: Let's jump to the next thing here. We've been talking
Speaker 2: about home insurance a lot. Here is a little ditty
Speaker 2: written by Rob Wiley. I think is how you say
Speaker 2: his name for NBC News On October thirteenth, insurance nightmare
Speaker 2: unfolds for Florida homeowners after back to back hurricanes. Guess
Speaker 2: we'll just get to real quickly. Here these are Rob's words.
Speaker 2: Some homeowners insurance companies operating in Florida are categorizing the storms,
Speaker 2: both Helene and Milton, as two separate events, meaning anyone
Speaker 2: who did not or could not document damage from Helene
Speaker 2: before Milton hit could face even greater odds that their
Speaker 2: claim will be denied if they were hit by both storms. Basically,
Speaker 2: did you not take enough pictures? Did you not get
Speaker 2: in the right paperwork? Did you not do whatever it
Speaker 2: is that you have to do according to the papers
Speaker 2: you signed with your insurance company? Do you not finish
Speaker 2: that stuff before Milton hit after you got hit by Helene,
Speaker 2: well you might be out of luck. That is according
Speaker 2: to Mark Friedlander, who's the director of corporate Communications for
Speaker 2: the Insurance Information Institute. Oh also this guys. In a statement,
Speaker 2: FEMA said, I'm going to need your help with this.
Speaker 2: It is simplifying its claims process so that it will
Speaker 2: only consolidate two loss claims in a circumstance where there
Speaker 2: would be no loss of recovery to the policy holder.
Speaker 2: What no loss of recovery to the policy holder. It
Speaker 2: will only consolidate two claims in a circumstance where there
Speaker 2: would be no loss of recovery to the policy holder.
Speaker 3: I don't even understand. I mean, you know, I'm already
Speaker 3: in like insurance paranoia mode right now and here this
Speaker 3: kind of stuff certainly does not improve that mental state.
Speaker 3: What does that even mean that way?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what it means. And
Speaker 2: it really troubles me because that timing that occurred between
Speaker 2: Helene and Milton was not that long, and we all
Speaker 2: know how long an insurance claim can take to get
Speaker 2: fully you know, fixed and finished, to get somebody to
Speaker 2: come out to your home and inspect it after an
Speaker 2: insurance claim has occurred, often takes a long time, just
Speaker 2: all of it. It's going to be a debacle. And
Speaker 2: add on top of that, Florida has changed some of
Speaker 2: the ways it allows insurance companies to operate within it
Speaker 2: basically to get insurance companies back into the Florida market. Basically,
Speaker 2: they needed to make it better for the insurance company.
Speaker 3: To eat insurance nightmare. It would seem just because of
Speaker 3: like how exposed that part of the country is to
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it makes and those changes, at least according
Speaker 2: to Rob Here, writing for NBC News, it would make
Speaker 2: it very very difficult or more difficult for a homeowner
Speaker 2: to fight back against the initial decision that the insurance
Speaker 2: company made when it comes to a claim that's been filed,
Speaker 2: Which what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3: So they're already just trying to find a loophole kind
Speaker 3: of It sounds to me like that's what they're searching for.
Speaker 3: With that language that you're talking about, it's just an
Speaker 3: excuse not to pay out, not to cover. And you've
Speaker 3: got people in this article that you found Matt saying
Speaker 3: we did everything we were supposed to do. What else
Speaker 3: were we supposed to do, Like we couldn't even get
Speaker 3: someone out to inspect it as quickly as we would
Speaker 3: have liked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, just awful. So those are
Speaker 2: the two updates. Guys. We don't have a lot of time,
Speaker 2: so I'm just going to give you two other stories
Speaker 2: to look up on your own, and they're strange. They
Speaker 2: meet the criteria of this episode, so check them out.
Speaker 2: In The Guardian, you can find something written by Rachel
Speaker 2: Keenan from Friday, October eleventh, titled woman jailed for life
Speaker 2: after murdering parents and living with bodies in Essex. She
Speaker 2: did so. She lived with them for around four years
Speaker 2: after murdering her father by poisoning and mother by hammer
Speaker 2: and stabbing, and then made a little tomb for her
Speaker 2: father where she put basically blankets on top of it,
Speaker 2: pictures and almost like, I don't know, like some kind
Speaker 2: of memorial for him, and then shoved her mom into
Speaker 2: a sleeping bag and put her in like another room
Speaker 2: in the house. Then continued to take their pension money
Speaker 2: and use it for her online gambling habit for around
Speaker 2: four years until the police showed up busted in her
Speaker 2: door and she confessed to everything in the house that day. Crazy.
Speaker 2: Look it up, it's crazy. Another one, this time in CNN,
Speaker 2: written by Issy Ronald, titled woman killed by malfunctioning autuman bed. Guys,
Speaker 2: I didn't know automans were dangerous. Apparently they are the
Speaker 2: ones that, maybe at least I've interacted with and maybe
Speaker 2: you guys have interacted with, generally.
Speaker 3: Have a pretty innocuous pieces of furniture, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bed that folds, right, It's.
Speaker 3: Was just the thing you put your on. I thought
Speaker 3: a proper automan was just like a little foot rest.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, maybe I'm getting this wrong. It's an automan
Speaker 2: styled gas lift bed.
Speaker 3: Okay, that must be something different, as an automan is
Speaker 3: also just a the thing that comes with the cow.
Speaker 3: It's that's just the little square part that you put
Speaker 3: your feet up on. That's also an automan as as
Speaker 3: its own thing. But what you're saying is accurate. But I,
Speaker 3: of course I just I picture an automan as the
Speaker 3: thing that I was describing to.
Speaker 2: Oh it's a gas lift storage bed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just to jump in. It's not a murphy bed.
Speaker 4: It's like almost a horizontal version of that where you
Speaker 4: can lift it up and have you know, like if
Speaker 4: you see if you see beds that are I love
Speaker 4: this construction. You see beds that have drawers you can
Speaker 4: pull out from beneath the mattress or the box Kia special.
Speaker 4: This one, if I'm understanding, correctly, means that you can
Speaker 4: push the mattress up from the horizontal position or the
Speaker 4: box spring or whatever people sleep on, and then you'll
Speaker 4: have storage. Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It looks like a forty five degree angle if you
Speaker 2: imagine the bed going up, and these are generally like
Speaker 2: hydraulic sometimes gas filled pistons that are moving up and
Speaker 2: down that actually hold the bed in place when it's
Speaker 2: opened at that forty five degree angle, and then you
Speaker 2: close it back down. Well, apparently she accessed her Attoman
Speaker 2: bed by opening it up, then got her head and
Speaker 2: neck stuck between it as it collapsed down onto her
Speaker 2: because one of the pistons was malfunctioning.
Speaker 4: Now, this wasn't death by being crushed though, however, right
Speaker 4: was she instantly dead or what happened?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: No, it basically strangled her. She asphyxiated because her neck
Speaker 2: was pressed between the collapsing part of the bed and
Speaker 2: the hard part.
Speaker 3: Of the base. Yeah, what a way to go. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is also a very new piece of furniture for me.
Speaker 3: I'm not aware of this style of bed, but I'm
Speaker 3: seeing there is the thing I was describing just like
Speaker 3: a four legged footste automan, and then there is this
Speaker 3: automan bed, which is news to me. So hey, you
Speaker 3: learn something every day.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was news to me too. What, guys,
Speaker 2: I can't think of the word in my head. What
Speaker 2: is the bed that looks like a sofa and then
Speaker 2: goes down into a bed and then it can sit
Speaker 2: back up as a sofa.
Speaker 3: Trundle bed?
Speaker 2: Oh no, there's a word for that. I always thought
Speaker 2: it was automan, but maybe.
Speaker 4: Is it awesome couch?
Speaker 3: Is it Transformer couch, Megatron couch?
Speaker 4: Again, I'm not joking, but I love multifunctional furniture.
Speaker 3: And what's the thing where the bed slides out from
Speaker 3: underneath where those drawers are that you were describing earlier, Ben,
Speaker 3: that's also a thing. I think that's a trundle bed.
Speaker 3: If you have a bed that has a drawer bed
Speaker 3: that pulls out, Yeah, and then you can flop a
Speaker 3: mattress on that. That's another type of.
Speaker 4: I'm most familiar with Trundle as one of the aliases
Speaker 4: of Charlie Dave from Always Sunny in Philadelphia. He was
Speaker 4: going by, he was going in his trundle for a time.
Speaker 3: I like it. It's got it, got it good. Jobo
Speaker 3: to people and thank you both of.
Speaker 2: Youople ah Man, Well, hey guys, and that is I'll
Speaker 2: give you this last one because this is something worth
Speaker 2: thinking about, and then we'll get out of here. NASA
Speaker 2: launches probe toward Jupiter and it's icy moon Europa to
Speaker 2: assess habitability. This in CBS News, written by William Haywood
Speaker 2: on Monday, October fourteenth. Check this out, bro, learn about this.
Speaker 3: I wish you would brought it to up firs day
Speaker 3: because I said, I have something to say about this,
Speaker 3: because I heard about this on the radio a couple
Speaker 3: of days ago. And I'll just leave it with this.
Speaker 3: In the Arthur C. Clark novel two thousand and one,
Speaker 3: A Space Out to See, of course, the film is
Speaker 3: based on that too. Europa comes up a lot. There's
Speaker 3: also the sequel, and it's the one place the aliens
Speaker 3: say is not for you, and do not come to Europa.
Speaker 3: Do not attempt any landings on Europa.
Speaker 4: We like it, Yeah, real life science as one of
Speaker 4: the one of the best candidates in the Solar System
Speaker 4: for harboring something humans would understand his life, So there's
Speaker 4: a reason to look at it.
Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, because it seems as though, at least the
Speaker 2: data that humans have right now is that there's some
Speaker 2: kind of giant saltwater ocean beneath the frozen crust of Europa.
Speaker 2: So like, potentially, if you're beneath all that ice, somehow,
Speaker 2: maybe you're a little warmer and you're a little safer
Speaker 2: from all the stuff that could really mess you up.
Speaker 2: If you're on the surface of Europa. It would be
Speaker 2: awesome if something was there. My buddy Scott used to
Speaker 2: talk to me all the time about specifically Europa sometimes iow,
Speaker 2: but this one in particular as being the place that
Speaker 2: we need to explore. We're not going to land right
Speaker 2: This thing that is going off right now, things like
Speaker 2: a five and a half year flight just to get
Speaker 2: out to Jupiter, and then it's going to fly around
Speaker 2: and do forty nine close flybys of Europa to check
Speaker 2: it out and see what it's or at least to
Speaker 2: the best of our sensor data. It will check out
Speaker 2: what's going on.
Speaker 3: So this is like a probe type situation. This is
Speaker 3: like an unmanned yes, unmanned.
Speaker 2: It's a test flight essentially, got it. It's a five
Speaker 2: point two billion dollar NASA probe.
Speaker 3: Pretty dope. That is pretty cool. But I don't know, man.
Speaker 3: I tend to heed the words of the fictional aliens
Speaker 3: telling us to stay away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, fictional aliens exactly. All right. Well that's all
Speaker 2: I've gotten, guys.
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