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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noah.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We are joined as always with our super producer Dylan

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Speaker 4: the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are here. That

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Speaker 4: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: It is the top of the week if you are

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Speaker 4: hearing this the evening it comes out. Welcome, friends and

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Speaker 4: neighbors to October twenty first, we have so much in

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Speaker 4: store for you. We have a lot of things that

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Speaker 4: we might not get to. But on a pot positive

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Speaker 4: note for a pulled open cool update, the Rangers in

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Speaker 4: Wyoming have decided to stop blowing up dead horses.

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Speaker 3: I thought you're referring to a sports team for a second.

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Speaker 3: I get you now the actual Rangers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're done with blowing up dead horses now.

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Speaker 4: A lot of us, a lot of us would say cool.

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Speaker 4: That's another headline like space bricks, that gives us a

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Speaker 4: lot of questions. Already in the statement, it is apparently

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Speaker 4: due to the wildfire risk that is posed when you

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Speaker 4: blow up the horse carcass.

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Speaker 3: Well, remember that story from years years back where they

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Speaker 3: blew up a whale carcass on a beach somewhere, and

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Speaker 3: it was a horrible idea because the guts and smelly,

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Speaker 3: awful stuff just flew like, way way farther than they

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Speaker 3: were expecting it. I mean, I know a horse isn't

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Speaker 3: a whale, but still seems like there'd be some potential

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Speaker 3: for catastrophic gut flinging.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you want to learn more, please do check

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Speaker 4: out the excellent article in The Guardian publish pretty recently.

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Speaker 4: Shout out to Richard Luscombe. Apparently this has been a

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Speaker 4: ongoing policy. They just exploded the carcasses forever and now

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Speaker 4: they are stopping it. So we're looking for good news. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: there's a holy war going on, or it's being advertised

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Speaker 4: as such. There's mysterious stuff washing up on beaches. We

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Speaker 4: got true crime for you. We've got some dangerous automans,

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Speaker 4: and of course, as we are all in love with space,

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Speaker 4: we have some space exploration and we promise not to

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Speaker 4: make too many you know, urine blood and potato flake jokes, right,

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Speaker 4: can we promise that I can't do that?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 4: And that is refusing totally all.

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Speaker 3: Right, given a soft yes, he's given a soft yes.

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Speaker 3: Soft sorry to guarantee a thing like that. Ben, It

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Speaker 3: just comes up, you know, and you got to go

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Speaker 3: where the spirit moves you. Yeah. Agree.

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Speaker 4: Also, Soft Yes is the band we made up for

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Speaker 4: our pal Paul Deckett.

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Speaker 3: Too Many Sich. Indeed, it's like a kind of a

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Speaker 4: He's still like he's not He was never mad about

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Speaker 4: the joke, but he was disappointed. So folks, coming into

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Speaker 4: tonight's exploration, you may have noticed longtime listeners that we

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Speaker 4: had a classic episode published in place of our weekly

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Speaker 4: listener mail segment. We are in good spirits, we're happy.

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Speaker 4: Like many other people, we have been dealing with the

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Speaker 4: aftermath of natural disasters in the southeastern United States, keeping

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Speaker 4: the folks in North Carolina and our thoughts. They just

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Speaker 4: got walloped with hurricane weather and then they got walloped

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Speaker 4: Now I heard that, yeah, And also I would argue

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Speaker 3: One of the.

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Speaker 4: Elected politicians in our home state of Georgia controversially claimed

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Speaker 4: that weather controlling technology was deployed heavily, implying that that

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Speaker 4: was used to weaponize hurricanes. That is MTG, not Magic

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Speaker 4: the Gathering, sadly, and I always wish it was magic

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Speaker 4: the Gathering. What is it though, Ben Marjorie Taylor Green, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, sir, Sorry, I don't even she occupies so

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Speaker 4: It's a smart choice, smart choice not to think of it.

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Speaker 4: Did you guys hear that statement from that point?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? But yes, it's a bizarre thing to talk about,

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Speaker 2: The accusations I've been seeing online have to do with

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Speaker 2: like that. It's way yeah, when it's such an out

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Speaker 3: And well, speaking of flow, it's clogging up a lot

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Speaker 4: And to step back for the larger context, let's be

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Speaker 4: quite transparent here. Weather modification technology does exist, but in

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Speaker 4: a relatively primitive form. We've discussed it at length in

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Speaker 4: episodes in the past. You can do things like cloud seeding.

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Speaker 4: The problem is global weather systems are highly interconnected, so

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Speaker 4: And it's a lot more like flicking you know, a

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Speaker 4: And so it affects this system. And often when we

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Speaker 4: thank you for beving me there, because there's not a

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Speaker 4: things like the two thousand and eight Olympics, and so

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Speaker 4: the weather modification that's just one thing. We could even

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Speaker 2: You don't mind, Ben, I just think there's just two

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Speaker 2: there are advanced research projects that DARPA funds for things

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Speaker 2: We know that DARPA funds that kind of stuff, and

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Speaker 4: And believe it right, You anticipated my final point there,

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Speaker 4: realize that the people at FEMA are not villains. They're

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Speaker 4: And we were talking about FEMA briefly off air. Would

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Speaker 3: It feels like certainly more, because it's an active effort.

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Speaker 3: And it's almost like, in situations like this, you barely

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Speaker 3: even need people stir in the pot to get the

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Speaker 3: so when you actually have people actively proliferating misinformation, it

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Speaker 3: And like you know, I mean, if I were to

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Speaker 4: I gotch Okay, see the ideas I would interfere with

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Speaker 4: The idea being we could spread out I say we,

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Speaker 4: that also didn't work. What I'm trying to bring us

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Speaker 4: People contracting for FEMA are having to stop working. To

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Speaker 4: your earlier point about resource allocation, they're having to stop

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Speaker 4: because they are being targeted by militias, by bad faith actors,

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Speaker 4: people who drank the Flavor aid and yes it was

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Speaker 4: Flavor eight folks, not equilly. But have you heard have

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Speaker 4: you guys heard about the idea that FEMA I almost

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Speaker 4: said operatives, but like people working for FEMA or under

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Speaker 3: YEA, death threats and the like. And there's things just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, one particular contractor I think pulled back

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Speaker 3: And we have returned and Ben set it up perfectly.

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Speaker 4: Well, we we you know, we're fascinated with this stuff,

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Speaker 3: byproduct of something else, like some sort of maybe manufacturing

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00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: process or what have you, that could be either out

436
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 3: of step with regulations causing you know, further pollution or contamination,

437
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 3: or it could be something more unusual than that. There

438
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: is a really interesting quote that wraps up this article

439
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 3: from that stand Tobin guy who called it badly big bread.

440
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: He he lives in an area called ship Cove, which

441
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: is a very small village along the bay, and he

442
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: walks on the beaches often, and he described it as

443
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of globs, big globs, little globs with

444
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: about a maximum diameter of six inches or fifteen centimeters.

445
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 3: He's the one who he's one of the people who

446
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 3: initially called the Canadian Coast Guard to report what he

447
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: had seen. And he had this to say, which I

448
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 3: thought was a good way of wrapping up the story.

449
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: Somebody or somebody's know where this came from and how

450
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: it got there and knows damn well it's not supposed

451
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 3: to be here. So you know, Tobin's got the right idea,

452
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: he gets it. But yeah, do you guys, I mean,

453
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: I think this is one to follow. I mean, it

454
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 3: could be nothing, but I know, as you said, Ben,

455
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: we're always a fan of mysterious globular substances. Did you

456
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 3: guys have anything to have before I move on to

457
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: this next one?

458
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: Sounds like a yeasty, yucky thing.

459
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, the beast on Yeasty tried to can we sell

460
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 4: it at like a high dollar you know, better breakfast

461
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 4: or something.

462
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 3: Gene from Bob's Burgers would have eaten it first thing.

463
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 3: That's exactly Yeah, that's exactly what would have happened. But yeah, yeah,

464
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: very very very very weird, weird looking stuff interesting that

465
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: nobody quite knows where it's coming from yet, but hopefully

466
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 3: we'll hear some more soon. I am going to move

467
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 3: from Canada to still pretty northern area Michigan, you know,

468
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: the Upper Peninsula. It's kind of Canada like in some ways.

469
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 3: It does feel oftentimes parts of Michigan feel like a

470
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: different universe. And I guess maybe I'm romanticizing it because

471
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: of that incredible Soufia and Stevens album Michigan that does

472
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 3: paint this very kind of lore rich portrait of Michigan

473
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: and the different parts of it from you know, his

474
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: perspective growing up there. But this is not about that

475
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: kind of vibe. This is a pretty horrific thing that

476
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: happened to some children and some medical professionals back in

477
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, apparently at a psychiatric hospital for children.

478
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: A active shooter drill took place. At this facility, a

479
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: state run facility known as Hawthorne Center in suburban Detroit.

480
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: An announcement came over the loudspeaker's system in the in

481
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: the hospital announcing that two armed men had entered the

482
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 3: state run facility and shots had been fired. And this,

483
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: as you might imagine, set off a series of let's say,

484
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: anxiety ridden events, you know, from the patients, from the staff,

485
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: and that is because nobody was told about this. It was,

486
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: in fact not true that there was an active shooter.

487
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: This was a drill, and a painfully misplaced drill. Let's

488
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 3: just say, wherever the intentions might have been, heart being

489
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: in the right place, what have you, It did did

490
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: not go over well. So apparently one hundred it is

491
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: traumatic and we're going to get to what that means.

492
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: But the attorney in this case, there is to your point,

493
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: then there is trauma to be had and litigated. There

494
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: is an attorney in this case, because it's happened back

495
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, had this to say. It was horrifying.

496
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: Everyone went into oh my god, this is the worst

497
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: day of my life mode. She said, the lawyers say that.

498
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: The lawyer saying this, yeah. Wagner, Robin Wagner had this

499
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 3: to say. She said, people were hiding under their desks,

500
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: they were barricading the doors, trying to figure out how

501
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: to protect the children. All this is being said because

502
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: it was announced this week on the fifteenth, as we

503
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: record today, on the sixteenth yesterday, the story came out

504
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: of the Detroit AP. A judge has approved thirteen million

505
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: dollars in damages, essentially in a settlement that was announced

506
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: over this unannounced active shooter drill that took place at

507
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: once again a psychiatric hospital for children. Seems legit, guys,

508
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 3: you know, ben Us said traumatic completely the case. Police

509
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: apparently were not notified and that first series of kind

510
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: of frantic phone calls and texts and barricadings and all

511
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: of that led to swat teams, heavily armed police forces

512
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: coming down to the facility to address this active shooter

513
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: situation that had been reported for multiple people present. I

514
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: just can't imagine what someone was thinking. It was apparently

515
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 3: organized by the Hawthorne Center safety director who works for

516
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: the state, who is probably getting fired, I would imagine.

517
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: So it didn't say in the AP piece that I read,

518
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: but it did say the hospital was subsequently closed for

519
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: reasons unrelated. But maybe this points to a larger mismanagement

520
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: type problem. But the good news is that the Court

521
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: of Claims Judge James read For proved the settlements early

522
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: this month on October fourth, showing that more than three

523
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: million dollars will be going to attorneys and between fifty

524
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: and sixty thousand dollars apiece going to the children and

525
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: their families and also the personnel that were put in

526
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: the middle of this utterly horrifying debacle of a situation.

527
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: I mean, And of course the takeaway here is thank

528
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: god it wasn't a real active shooter situation. But good lord,

529
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: this is a bungled drill.

530
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: You know.

531
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, guys, what do you think?

532
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 4: It reminds me of the twenty eighteen false missile alert

533
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 4: in Hawaii, But you could argue it's even more immediate

534
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 4: and therefore more damaging. I guess for most people listening,

535
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: and not to make presumptions, but for many people in

536
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 4: the US listening, you might think of it as a

537
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 4: more black mirror version of the fire alarm drills which

538
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 4: used to happen all the time at our office or

539
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: on a semi regular basis. And it was kind of

540
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: a conspiracy because if it is a drill, you can't

541
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 4: let people know, right, But they didn't let everybody who

542
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: should know know, so it seems.

543
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: Like it didn't scream fire over the fricking pa either, right, right.

544
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 4: But also, you know, local law enforcement would ideally, And

545
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: I'm assuming here, so you guys correct me if i'm

546
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 4: if I'm wrong. I'm assuming that local law enforcement would

547
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 4: need to be able to have visibility on this such

548
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: that they can discern the difference between a drill and

549
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 4: an active shooter. And shout out to our friend Lauren

550
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 4: Vogelbaum for teaching us the word actual facts.

551
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: I obviously use the long may she rain. She's coined

552
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: plenty of those in her day. Love you, Lauren. Just

553
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: just to give a little bit of numbers really quickly

554
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: to the settlement, fifty children of the hospital are going

555
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: to get around sixty thousand dollars a year. Ninety people

556
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: among the staff will receive fifty thousand dollars each And

557
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: here's the kind of weird little kicker. And I guess

558
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: they have to have some sort of rebreak to measure

559
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: this stuff with. But apparently the amount they're receiving will

560
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 3: depend on their score on a trauma exam. And then

561
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 3: there are two dozen others that are going to get

562
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 3: smaller amounts. But I guess I've never really thought about

563
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: the idea of taking a trauma exam. I feel like, oh, yeah, trauma,

564
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 3: it have to be though if it makes perfect sense,

565
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 3: but it just seems like, you know, how do you

566
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 3: measure such things, especially so far removed from the actual events.

567
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 3: But I guess it would have to do with how

568
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 3: much sleep if you loss, do you have nightmares about it?

569
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: Those kinds of questions would seem to be appropriate.

570
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about you know, but when my

571
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: son's school does an active shooter drill like this, and

572
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: they do elementary schools, do these active shooter drills.

573
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 3: On until they say over the pa, there's an active shooter.

574
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: My understanding is they let the kids know what's happening.

575
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: But I've never been present when one of these drills

576
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: has gone on because they happen during school hours, sure,

577
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: and we're often notified like day of or or right

578
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 2: before or right after a drill has occurred, and I'll

579
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: often have a conversation with my son about it before

580
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: I know anything else. And I just imagine being a kid,

581
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: as you guys were talking about with those fire drills

582
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: or tornado drills we used to do, just being in

583
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: that situation where you are pretending that somebody's got a

584
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: gun in your school and they're coming to kill you

585
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: and anybody else just what that does to you.

586
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: And one how sad is that we're at a place,

587
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 3: you know, in this country now where this is being

588
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 3: added to the list of necessary types of drills, and

589
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: we're no longer just scared about fire. Oop. Somebody you

590
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: know set a waste paper basket on fire, and now

591
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: you know people have to know how to react. This

592
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: is something so much more traumatic long term, just the

593
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: thought that this could happen at any time. And it's

594
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: not like there isn't plenty of information out on the

595
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: news that you'll hadually have on in the radio and

596
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: you're on the way to school taking your kid hearing

597
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 3: about all of these horrible events. It's it's tough because

598
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 3: it's like your choices are kind of either to like

599
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: live in fear as a child, but do we know

600
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 3: children are really adaptable or just sort of normalize it.

601
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure which is worse. It makes me sad.

602
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 3: It makes me sad. I don't know.

603
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: It's good to be prepared.

604
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 3: I just feel like it.

605
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: Creates crazy anxiety in a mind that isn't ready to

606
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 2: handle that kind of thing. But they have to be

607
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: ready now, which is insane.

608
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: It is insane. Yeah, I don't know, Ben, Did you

609
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: have any other thoughts on this one?

610
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 4: Yes, but I almost want to save them for an episode.

611
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 4: I don't want to recap the I mean, the normalization

612
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 4: we talked about. That, that's true. We have to remember

613
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 4: also that there is an evolution of fear driven drills,

614
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 4: which are necessary, as was pointing out earlier, for a

615
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 4: certain amount of preparation. But also we have to consider

616
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 4: to your point and all the knock on long term effects.

617
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 4: You know, we have people in the audience tonight who

618
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 4: experience the terrifying nuclear attack drills of the Cold War

619
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 4: hide over the desk, and you know that's not going

620
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 4: to do a gosh darn thing when some of us,

621
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 4: maybe in the younger part of the crowd, experience those

622
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 4: tornado drills where you just had to stick your butt

623
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 4: into the center of the hallway and put your head

624
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 4: toward the corner.

625
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: Head between legs, right with your hands over your interlaced behind.

626
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

627
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, similar to the old aircraft crash position, put your

628
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 4: head between your knees and kiss your butt goodbye the shit.

629
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 4: Careful with that joke. It's an antique, but I think

630
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 4: I think it's worth examining whether there are better ways

631
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 4: to educate and prepare children other than something as traumatic

632
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 4: as this. That's that's just my two cents. Adjusted for inflation,

633
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 4: that's like eight cents.

634
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: Well, no, I think that's a you know, let's tay,

635
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: let's call it twenty cents, because I think you're onto something, Ben,

636
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 3: don't you guys think this might be a good use

637
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: of augmented reality or some sort of use of VR.

638
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 3: You know, for something like this, you know, the stakes

639
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 3: are not what they might seem. You know, in a

640
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 3: drill like this, you know you hear in control. But

641
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess maybe you have to kind of

642
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: feel like you're not in control, otherwise you might not

643
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: react correctly. I don't know, guys, I'm with you that

644
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: there must be a better way. I don't know what

645
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: it is, but just the idea of AR and VR

646
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: came to mind because I mean, Matt, I mean, the

647
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: other one who turned us on to some of that

648
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 3: VR stuff, And even if it's pixily as hell, the

649
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 3: all encompassing nature of it does cause your mind to

650
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: accept it as real. I just think, you know, you

651
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Speaker 3: could use that to mimic a situation where you needed

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Speaker 3: to react a certain way, and maybe that could be

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Speaker 3: a good stand in for something like that that feels

654
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Speaker 3: so you know, dangerous, because again, I mean, I can't

655
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Speaker 3: imagine mad that at your kids' school they scream over

656
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Speaker 3: the loud speakers that there's a shooter there. That's the

657
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Speaker 3: part that's jacked up about this story, right that. I mean,

658
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Speaker 3: if they did that every time, there'd be way more

659
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Speaker 3: lawsuits like that. So I think that's where the people

660
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Speaker 3: in charge of this facility obviously went wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't confirm this specifically by my son's school,

662
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Speaker 2: but I know often they use a code word, like

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Speaker 2: a code something that they'll say over the speakers, or

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Speaker 2: you know, a phrase or something, and then often a

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Speaker 2: tone or something that will play that is basically a

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Speaker 2: message to the teachers that often the kids are aware

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Speaker 2: of and then they go into a drill. But that's

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Speaker 2: at least the way I have seen it portrayed in

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Speaker 2: the past.

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Speaker 3: And I also got a wonder too, like is it

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Speaker 3: enough just to have that code word and to be

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Speaker 3: able to react in a very codified way rather than

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Speaker 3: be told that there's a shooter, which is then going

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Speaker 3: to create an every person for themselves kind of situation

675
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Speaker 3: as opposed to having like procedure. You know, I just

676
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Speaker 3: wonder because you know, you obviously need to be able

677
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Speaker 3: to react if someone comes into your classroom, but it's

678
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Speaker 3: also at that point, is there anything much you can do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's often if somebody is on the school property.

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Speaker 2: At least again, what I'm I get, what I've seen.

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Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate both of y'all's perspectives, and it's it's

682
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Speaker 3: scary stuff. But those are my two for today, y'all.

683
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Speaker 3: So let's take a quick word from our sponsor and

684
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Speaker 3: then return with one last piece of strange news.

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Speaker 2: And we're back. This is epig Old grab bag, a

686
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Speaker 2: couple of updates. You always talked about Boeing a whole bunch,

687
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Speaker 2: Just gonna bring this little ditty to our attention. In

688
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Speaker 2: CNN Business, Chris Isidore wrote on Tuesday, October fifteenth, Boeing's

689
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Speaker 2: crisis is getting worse now it's borrowing tens of billions

690
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Speaker 2: of dollars. I'm just gonna get meg A layoffs too, right, Yeah,

691
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a couple of lines here. It

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Speaker 2: gives you a context. These are Chris's words. Boeing's debt

693
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Speaker 2: surged in the last six years, as Boeing reported core

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Speaker 2: operating losses of more than thirty three billion dollars. Its

695
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Speaker 2: commercial airline production has ground to a near halt by

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Speaker 2: a month long strike by thirty three thousand members of

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Speaker 2: the International Association of Machinists. Talks between Boeing and the

698
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Speaker 2: International Association of Machinists or IAM broke down last week

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Speaker 2: with no new negotiations planned, and on Friday, Friday before

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Speaker 2: we're recording this, Boeing's new CEO, Kelly Orthberg, announced plans

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Speaker 2: to cut ten percent of its worldwide staff of around

702
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Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy one thousand people or around seventeen

703
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Speaker 2: thousand human beings.

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Speaker 4: But don't worry, folks, they're all from quality control.

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Speaker 2: That's right, just the folks who do the last checks.

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Speaker 3: That's not true.

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Speaker 2: We're joking, but that is the stuff we've been talking about.

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Speaker 2: That's why this is an update, because Boeing is suffering very,

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Speaker 2: very badly from poorly manufactured or poorly manufactured parts that

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Speaker 2: then get assembled and don't fit right. Here's last bit.

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Speaker 2: So yesterday, as we record this episode, Boeing announced plans

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Speaker 2: to borrow ten billion from a consortium of banks. It

713
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Speaker 2: also separately announced plans to raise twenty five billion dollars

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Speaker 2: by selling stock and its debt. Isn't that interesting You

715
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Speaker 2: just sell your debt like that sh raise some money.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, not looking good for Boeing. Anything you guys

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Speaker 2: on that end or anything else we need to add there.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. It just doesn't look good. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I know they're one of those companies that's described as

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Speaker 3: like in that too big to fail bracket, but they

721
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Speaker 3: sure are failing pretty hard. I don't see it getting

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Speaker 3: much better for them, And doesn't it seem like laying

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Speaker 3: off workforce is not the best way to up their quality.

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Speaker 2: Control ultimately, I think that's a cost saving measure probably. Also,

725
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Speaker 2: they're in a you know, a battle with a union,

726
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Speaker 2: which we have seen retaliation before when there's a union

727
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Speaker 2: battle happening, where they just let a bunch of people go,

728
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Speaker 2: so in the company's mind, they can pay the rest

729
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Speaker 2: of the people that stay whatever the costs are, right

730
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Speaker 2: that they're trying to negotiate. It's a it's a thing

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Speaker 2: that happens. I don't know with.

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Speaker 4: Great respect, I would pause it that we are looking

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Speaker 4: at conflicting priorities due to the structure of Boeing's ownership, Right,

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Speaker 4: they are beholden to deliver certain certain profits, right, certain

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Speaker 4: metric performances, and sometimes that can be priority that contradicts

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Speaker 4: stuff you would imagine would be the day one things

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Speaker 4: for a company that manufactures tangible assets. Know what, you

738
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Speaker 4: have made a great point regarding the too big to fail.

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Speaker 4: It may be possible that Boeing gets acquired by something else.

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Speaker 4: But when you're looking at the big dogs in commercial aircraft,

741
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Speaker 4: you're looking at Boeing an air bus, and you know,

742
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Speaker 4: not to put too fine a point on it, but

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Speaker 4: I don't think any potus would want to be beholden

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Speaker 4: to France, which is you know, of course where Airbus

745
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Speaker 4: is based. Isn't that right, aren't they French?

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Speaker 3: I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean to that end, Boeing expects

748
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Speaker 2: to report a loss of nine point ninety seven dollars

749
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Speaker 2: a share in the third quarter, which you know, what

750
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Speaker 2: do you do when you're gonna report a big loss,

751
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Speaker 2: Cut some people and save some money.

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Speaker 4: Oh and the quality control thing, by the way, yes, folks,

753
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Speaker 4: I was. I was entirely joking. I'm working on material

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Speaker 4: for a live show on election night, and I'm trying

755
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Speaker 4: to get I'm trying to get our guys here to

756
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Speaker 4: maybe do some videos for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just always be closy.

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Speaker 2: Let's jump to the next thing here. We've been talking

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Speaker 2: about home insurance a lot. Here is a little ditty

760
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Speaker 2: written by Rob Wiley. I think is how you say

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Speaker 2: his name for NBC News On October thirteenth, insurance nightmare

762
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Speaker 2: unfolds for Florida homeowners after back to back hurricanes. Guess

763
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Speaker 2: we'll just get to real quickly. Here these are Rob's words.

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Speaker 2: Some homeowners insurance companies operating in Florida are categorizing the storms,

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Speaker 2: both Helene and Milton, as two separate events, meaning anyone

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Speaker 2: who did not or could not document damage from Helene

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Speaker 2: before Milton hit could face even greater odds that their

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Speaker 2: claim will be denied if they were hit by both storms. Basically,

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Speaker 2: did you not take enough pictures? Did you not get

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Speaker 2: in the right paperwork? Did you not do whatever it

771
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Speaker 2: is that you have to do according to the papers

772
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Speaker 2: you signed with your insurance company? Do you not finish

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Speaker 2: that stuff before Milton hit after you got hit by Helene,

774
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Speaker 2: well you might be out of luck. That is according

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Speaker 2: to Mark Friedlander, who's the director of corporate Communications for

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Speaker 2: the Insurance Information Institute. Oh also this guys. In a statement,

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Speaker 2: FEMA said, I'm going to need your help with this.

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Speaker 2: It is simplifying its claims process so that it will

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Speaker 2: only consolidate two loss claims in a circumstance where there

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Speaker 2: would be no loss of recovery to the policy holder.

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Speaker 2: What no loss of recovery to the policy holder. It

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Speaker 2: will only consolidate two claims in a circumstance where there

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Speaker 2: would be no loss of recovery to the policy holder.

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Speaker 3: I don't even understand. I mean, you know, I'm already

785
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Speaker 3: in like insurance paranoia mode right now and here this

786
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Speaker 3: kind of stuff certainly does not improve that mental state.

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Speaker 3: What does that even mean that way?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what it means. And

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Speaker 2: it really troubles me because that timing that occurred between

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Speaker 2: Helene and Milton was not that long, and we all

791
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Speaker 2: know how long an insurance claim can take to get

792
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Speaker 2: fully you know, fixed and finished, to get somebody to

793
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: come out to your home and inspect it after an

794
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Speaker 2: insurance claim has occurred, often takes a long time, just

795
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Speaker 2: all of it. It's going to be a debacle. And

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Speaker 2: add on top of that, Florida has changed some of

797
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Speaker 2: the ways it allows insurance companies to operate within it

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Speaker 2: basically to get insurance companies back into the Florida market. Basically,

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Speaker 2: they needed to make it better for the insurance company.

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Speaker 3: To eat insurance nightmare. It would seem just because of

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Speaker 3: like how exposed that part of the country is to

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Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it makes and those changes, at least according

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Speaker 2: to Rob Here, writing for NBC News, it would make

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Speaker 2: it very very difficult or more difficult for a homeowner

806
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Speaker 2: to fight back against the initial decision that the insurance

807
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Speaker 2: company made when it comes to a claim that's been filed,

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Speaker 2: Which what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 3: So they're already just trying to find a loophole kind

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Speaker 3: of It sounds to me like that's what they're searching for.

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Speaker 3: With that language that you're talking about, it's just an

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Speaker 3: excuse not to pay out, not to cover. And you've

813
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Speaker 3: got people in this article that you found Matt saying

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Speaker 3: we did everything we were supposed to do. What else

815
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Speaker 3: were we supposed to do, Like we couldn't even get

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Speaker 3: someone out to inspect it as quickly as we would

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Speaker 3: have liked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, just awful. So those are

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Speaker 2: the two updates. Guys. We don't have a lot of time,

820
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Speaker 2: so I'm just going to give you two other stories

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Speaker 2: to look up on your own, and they're strange. They

822
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Speaker 2: meet the criteria of this episode, so check them out.

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Speaker 2: In The Guardian, you can find something written by Rachel

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Speaker 2: Keenan from Friday, October eleventh, titled woman jailed for life

825
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 2: after murdering parents and living with bodies in Essex. She

826
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Speaker 2: did so. She lived with them for around four years

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Speaker 2: after murdering her father by poisoning and mother by hammer

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Speaker 2: and stabbing, and then made a little tomb for her

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Speaker 2: father where she put basically blankets on top of it,

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Speaker 2: pictures and almost like, I don't know, like some kind

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Speaker 2: of memorial for him, and then shoved her mom into

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Speaker 2: a sleeping bag and put her in like another room

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Speaker 2: in the house. Then continued to take their pension money

834
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Speaker 2: and use it for her online gambling habit for around

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Speaker 2: four years until the police showed up busted in her

836
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Speaker 2: door and she confessed to everything in the house that day. Crazy.

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Speaker 2: Look it up, it's crazy. Another one, this time in CNN,

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Speaker 2: written by Issy Ronald, titled woman killed by malfunctioning autuman bed. Guys,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know automans were dangerous. Apparently they are the

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Speaker 2: ones that, maybe at least I've interacted with and maybe

841
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 2: you guys have interacted with, generally.

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Speaker 3: Have a pretty innocuous pieces of furniture, you know.

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00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bed that folds, right, It's.

844
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Speaker 3: Was just the thing you put your on. I thought

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Speaker 3: a proper automan was just like a little foot rest.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, maybe I'm getting this wrong. It's an automan

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Speaker 2: styled gas lift bed.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that must be something different, as an automan is

849
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Speaker 3: also just a the thing that comes with the cow.

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Speaker 3: It's that's just the little square part that you put

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Speaker 3: your feet up on. That's also an automan as as

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00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 3: its own thing. But what you're saying is accurate. But I,

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Speaker 3: of course I just I picture an automan as the

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Speaker 3: thing that I was describing to.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's a gas lift storage bed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just to jump in. It's not a murphy bed.

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Speaker 4: It's like almost a horizontal version of that where you

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Speaker 4: can lift it up and have you know, like if

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00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 4: you see if you see beds that are I love

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Speaker 4: this construction. You see beds that have drawers you can

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Speaker 4: pull out from beneath the mattress or the box Kia special.

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Speaker 4: This one, if I'm understanding, correctly, means that you can

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Speaker 4: push the mattress up from the horizontal position or the

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Speaker 4: box spring or whatever people sleep on, and then you'll

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Speaker 4: have storage. Is that correct?

866
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: It looks like a forty five degree angle if you

868
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Speaker 2: imagine the bed going up, and these are generally like

869
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Speaker 2: hydraulic sometimes gas filled pistons that are moving up and

870
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Speaker 2: down that actually hold the bed in place when it's

871
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: opened at that forty five degree angle, and then you

872
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 2: close it back down. Well, apparently she accessed her Attoman

873
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: bed by opening it up, then got her head and

874
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: neck stuck between it as it collapsed down onto her

875
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Speaker 2: because one of the pistons was malfunctioning.

876
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Speaker 4: Now, this wasn't death by being crushed though, however, right

877
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 4: was she instantly dead or what happened?

878
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 3: Well?

879
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: No, it basically strangled her. She asphyxiated because her neck

880
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: was pressed between the collapsing part of the bed and

881
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: the hard part.

882
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 3: Of the base. Yeah, what a way to go. Yeah,

883
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: this is also a very new piece of furniture for me.

884
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Speaker 3: I'm not aware of this style of bed, but I'm

885
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Speaker 3: seeing there is the thing I was describing just like

886
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: a four legged footste automan, and then there is this

887
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 3: automan bed, which is news to me. So hey, you

888
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 3: learn something every day.

889
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was news to me too. What, guys,

890
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 2: I can't think of the word in my head. What

891
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: is the bed that looks like a sofa and then

892
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: goes down into a bed and then it can sit

893
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 2: back up as a sofa.

894
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 3: Trundle bed?

895
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,479
Speaker 2: Oh no, there's a word for that. I always thought

896
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: it was automan, but maybe.

897
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 4: Is it awesome couch?

898
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 3: Is it Transformer couch, Megatron couch?

899
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 4: Again, I'm not joking, but I love multifunctional furniture.

900
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 3: And what's the thing where the bed slides out from

901
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: underneath where those drawers are that you were describing earlier, Ben,

902
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 3: that's also a thing. I think that's a trundle bed.

903
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 3: If you have a bed that has a drawer bed

904
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: that pulls out, Yeah, and then you can flop a

905
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 3: mattress on that. That's another type of.

906
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 4: I'm most familiar with Trundle as one of the aliases

907
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 4: of Charlie Dave from Always Sunny in Philadelphia. He was

908
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 4: going by, he was going in his trundle for a time.

909
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 3: I like it. It's got it, got it good. Jobo

910
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 3: to people and thank you both of.

911
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 2: Youople ah Man, Well, hey guys, and that is I'll

912
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: give you this last one because this is something worth

913
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: thinking about, and then we'll get out of here. NASA

914
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 2: launches probe toward Jupiter and it's icy moon Europa to

915
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 2: assess habitability. This in CBS News, written by William Haywood

916
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 2: on Monday, October fourteenth. Check this out, bro, learn about this.

917
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: I wish you would brought it to up firs day

918
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 3: because I said, I have something to say about this,

919
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: because I heard about this on the radio a couple

920
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: of days ago. And I'll just leave it with this.

921
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: In the Arthur C. Clark novel two thousand and one,

922
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 3: A Space Out to See, of course, the film is

923
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 3: based on that too. Europa comes up a lot. There's

924
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 3: also the sequel, and it's the one place the aliens

925
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 3: say is not for you, and do not come to Europa.

926
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: Do not attempt any landings on Europa.

927
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 4: We like it, Yeah, real life science as one of

928
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 4: the one of the best candidates in the Solar System

929
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 4: for harboring something humans would understand his life, So there's

930
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 4: a reason to look at it.

931
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, because it seems as though, at least the

932
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: data that humans have right now is that there's some

933
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 2: kind of giant saltwater ocean beneath the frozen crust of Europa.

934
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 2: So like, potentially, if you're beneath all that ice, somehow,

935
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: maybe you're a little warmer and you're a little safer

936
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: from all the stuff that could really mess you up.

937
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: If you're on the surface of Europa. It would be

938
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: awesome if something was there. My buddy Scott used to

939
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 2: talk to me all the time about specifically Europa sometimes iow,

940
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: but this one in particular as being the place that

941
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: we need to explore. We're not going to land right

942
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: This thing that is going off right now, things like

943
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: a five and a half year flight just to get

944
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 2: out to Jupiter, and then it's going to fly around

945
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: and do forty nine close flybys of Europa to check

946
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: it out and see what it's or at least to

947
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 2: the best of our sensor data. It will check out

948
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 2: what's going on.

949
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 3: So this is like a probe type situation. This is

950
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: like an unmanned yes, unmanned.

951
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: It's a test flight essentially, got it. It's a five

952
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: point two billion dollar NASA probe.

953
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 3: Pretty dope. That is pretty cool. But I don't know, man.

954
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 3: I tend to heed the words of the fictional aliens

955
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 3: telling us to stay away.

956
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, fictional aliens exactly. All right. Well that's all

957
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: I've gotten, guys.

958
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 4: And so, in addition to thanking fictional aliens, thank you

959
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 4: very real entities, organic and simulated alike. We can't wait

960
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 4: to hear from you. We will be following up with

961
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 4: more episodes. Tune in later this week as well for

962
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,840
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963
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964
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Speaker 4: lot of this, just like a asteroid interest in the

965
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,839
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986
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994
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995
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Speaker 4: by the nickname a Holy War on our recording. North

996
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:30,080
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997
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Speaker 4: young people for a holy war, which is really funny

998
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