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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot com. Schmilk Figles with you. Hope

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Speaker 1: everybody had a fantastic weekend. We're here working The Giants

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Speaker 1: had two more training camp practices over the weekend, both

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Speaker 1: of them the first two padded practices of training camp.

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Speaker 1: And we'll talk about him with you right here again

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Speaker 1: to four five on three. That's the telephone number. Hashtag

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Speaker 1: I'll keep an eye on that as well, Mr Figgles,

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Speaker 1: How was your weekend, buddy? Pleasant? Very pleasant? As you

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Speaker 1: weren't here because I wasn't here, Yes, but the team

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Speaker 1: was you know, practice full pads. Oh it sounds sounds

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Speaker 1: like football to me. Yeah. Well see that's how you know.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to a punter, folks, where the full pads

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Speaker 1: mean nothing. How to wear them? That was That was

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Speaker 1: the worst thing about him is having to put them on.

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Speaker 1: You know. But it's exciting because you know the guys

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Speaker 1: when you talk about full pads and the real football guys,

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Speaker 1: they get excited about it because they finally are gonna

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Speaker 1: start to hit and they're gonna start pointing some football

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Speaker 1: and that's what those guys are paid to do. Now,

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Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about this last week. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we've had a show. At least I

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Speaker 1: wasn't on it since the Golden tate Um suspension landed.

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Speaker 1: And we'll see what happens when he appeals it and

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Speaker 1: all that goes down. But Jeff, the big story is

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver position, so I guess we should start

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Speaker 1: there before I give you some of my observations from

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Speaker 1: practice over the weekend. And yeah, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: you put it kind of well the Giants since I've

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Speaker 1: the folks that haven't heard the news, Stirling Shepherd is

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Speaker 1: out for a couple more weeks, probably with a fractured thumb.

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Speaker 1: Now the good news is that. And when I heard

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Speaker 1: be tricky if you get it down by the joint

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Speaker 1: and moving parts. But luckily he fractured just a tip,

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Speaker 1: they're saying that should only be a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: all it was um And they think he'll be back

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Speaker 1: I saw him catching pass Yeah, he was doing that,

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Speaker 1: and and and drills. He's out there because he wants

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Speaker 1: to stay in shape, right, So he's in there and

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Speaker 1: the one on ones and stuff and the drills, running

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Speaker 1: if they'll use him in a preseason game just out

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Speaker 1: of precaution. But I don't have many, if any concerns

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Speaker 1: about week one, and neither does coach Hermo or Strolling Shepherd.

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Speaker 1: So that's the good news. The bad news is that

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Speaker 1: Corey Coleman towards a c l out for the year. Bad.

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Speaker 1: It's a shame. Everyone had nothing but great things to

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Speaker 1: the spring and how he's become more serious learning the

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Speaker 1: Darius Slayton tweaked his hamstring right before regular practice begun began.

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Speaker 1: We don't know. He hasn't been in uniform hamstrings for

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Speaker 1: wide receivers and speed guys can be tricky. And then

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Speaker 1: you had the Kicker, which was the Golden Tate suspension.

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Speaker 1: You guys saw his statement. It was related to him

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Speaker 1: taking fertility drugs and things of that nature. He's self reported,

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Speaker 1: and the hope is that it will allow the NFL

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Speaker 1: We should know about that um within a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: I would think, depending on when the hearing is held,

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Speaker 1: four games of the year. So whatever, when it rains,

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Speaker 1: it pours, But Coleman is the bad news. And then

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Speaker 1: if take does have to miss regular season games, it's

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Speaker 1: not great. No, it's not. And you know, the NFL

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Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna try to take advantage of that. That is correct.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know that's not good news, um, But

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Speaker 1: And John, you know this too, are just gonna with

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Speaker 1: And they always say, you can't make the club when

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Speaker 1: training room, now, listen, these guys aren't trying to get hurt,

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Speaker 1: and it's very unfortunate when it does happen. And the Giants,

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Speaker 1: uh Aaron Willmann said, they have not had a lot

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Speaker 1: I haven't been out to practice yet. Guys, I apologize

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Speaker 1: a space eater than Lawrence. Is the comparison I made.

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Speaker 1: Somebody ask me on Twitter, um if they compared him

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Speaker 1: to who they compare him to? Its Wolffork and my

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Speaker 1: response was that I think Will Fork was probably more

430
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Speaker 1: of a space eater too. I compared him to prime

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Speaker 1: Albert Haynesworth. Where's gigantic, But can you also use the

432
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Speaker 1: quickness to rush the pastor now, I said, minus the crazy.

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Speaker 1: I did put that in there as as part of

434
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Speaker 1: the caveat because Albert haynes was a little bit crazy.

435
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Speaker 1: But that's the type of body. And someone asked that

436
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Speaker 1: I always hee like Aaron Donald. I said, no, Donald's

437
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Speaker 1: a lot smaller. He's only six foot, he was barely

438
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Speaker 1: three hund pounds, and he's quick. Lawrence is gigantic and quick.

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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't make the Donald comparison's eye there. It's

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Speaker 1: hard because dexa Lawrence, there isn't many people to compare

441
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Speaker 1: because there isn't many people like him. I mean, he

442
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Speaker 1: is a big dude, not a not a fat dude.

443
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Speaker 1: Now when you look at Haines words, you look at

444
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Speaker 1: you look at the other guys that they got a

445
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Speaker 1: little girth to him, Shawan Rodgers, those types, those type

446
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 1: of guys you know Wolf Fork, Yeah, but Lawrence is

447
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Speaker 1: He's just a big dude. He is a big dude.

448
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Speaker 1: And then expectations for Lorenzo Carter is interesting. Look. They

449
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 1: need him to be good. That's right here. So you

450
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Speaker 1: want to see a jump in your number two from him?

451
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Speaker 1: Right when I see him play, I still see a

452
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Speaker 1: player that I think is almost better as a traditional

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Speaker 1: four three linebacker that is a pass rusher. He has

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Speaker 1: every physical trait you want to be a pass rusher,

455
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 1: and he's certainly a lot better doing that now than

456
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Speaker 1: he was last year. But dude, I see him cover

457
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 1: Sae Kwon Barkley sometimes and stick with him. I saw

458
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 1: him track down Golden Tate on an end around and

459
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 1: run that dude down a wide receiver like he he

460
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Speaker 1: read any line manning screen pass and got an interception.

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Speaker 1: I see these plays that he makes as a traditional

462
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Speaker 1: off ball linebacker. I like, boy, he hescuse that's what

463
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Speaker 1: he did at Georgia, right, and he's just really good

464
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Speaker 1: at that stuff. Now you would like double digit sacks,

465
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking more around seven plus or minus one or

466
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Speaker 1: two in either direction. I'm not sure he's gonna get

467
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Speaker 1: the ten, but I think I think lorenz Ocarter has

468
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Speaker 1: an extremely bright future in this league as a linebacker,

469
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Speaker 1: whether it's a four three guy or a three four guy.

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Speaker 1: However you want to use him. He's very, very talented.

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Speaker 1: I'll agree with you. I feel like he's more comfortable

472
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Speaker 1: at the outside linebacker position, like you said, Okay, then

473
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Speaker 1: rushing the pastor. I think that he's got the speed,

474
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Speaker 1: he definitely has the strength. He has to just learn

475
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Speaker 1: how to be a pass rusher um, and that's gonna

476
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Speaker 1: take time because those offensive lineman, the tackles in the

477
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: National Football League, they know how to play guys like him,

478
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Speaker 1: and so he's gonna have to come up with his

479
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Speaker 1: own repertoire and some of the tool and his toolbox

480
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Speaker 1: to use on game day to help him. But as

481
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: far as athleticism covering tight ends and some of the

482
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Speaker 1: backs out of the backfield, I love it. I mean

483
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Speaker 1: I watched him. He is smooth. So I think that

484
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Speaker 1: he can have a big year and I would give him, Yeah,

485
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't give him double digits. I just don't know

486
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Speaker 1: where coach Betcher is gonna put him and how he's

487
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Speaker 1: gonna use him. And again I'm not suggesting the Giants

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Speaker 1: do this, folks. This is a theoretical question, and I

489
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Speaker 1: don't think the Giants should do this because he has

490
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Speaker 1: too much pass rushed potential, not to use him there

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Speaker 1: if at some point the Giants decide that he's so

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Speaker 1: good off ball that that's that's where they decide they

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Speaker 1: want to use him. Could you see him as an

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Speaker 1: inside three down linebacker in the three four? Could that work? Well?

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Speaker 1: All depends on if if he's not doing what he's

496
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Speaker 1: supposed to be doing at the other position, why not

497
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Speaker 1: you know, could he hold up in there? You know,

498
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Speaker 1: you've got a lot of big people coming at your

499
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Speaker 1: middle linebacker and he's he's and you don't see a

500
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Speaker 1: lot of six six linebackers that play inside that are

501
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Speaker 1: built that way. There, No, no, they're not. You gotta

502
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Speaker 1: have some, you know, like Olga Tree and and he

503
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Speaker 1: did put on he put on ten pounds a muscle

504
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: in the off season, by the way. But yeah, he's

505
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Speaker 1: just not the body type you're looking for for that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at Antonio Pierce and then you

507
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Speaker 1: look at Learns O'Connor. They look like they play completely

508
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Speaker 1: different positions just based on their body type. Yeah. Absolutely, Um,

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Speaker 1: I mean, now listen, let's just see where Betcher puts

510
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Speaker 1: him and how he put in situational stuff too. Who knows. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's he's a he's he's gonna be a good player. Though.

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Speaker 1: Marcus Golden is like another guy that I'm really intrigued

513
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Speaker 1: to see how he plays this year. And a lot

514
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Speaker 1: of another guy that we have not talked much about

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Speaker 1: is Avery moss Um. Well it do or die for

516
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: that dude this year. Man, But just kind of you know,

517
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Speaker 1: in the back. Just keep an eye on him, keep

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Speaker 1: an eye on him. Two one, four, five on three,

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Speaker 1: let's go to line to Jimmy and Rose Hill Pierson

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Speaker 1: want what's up? Jimmy, good to talk to you, Jim

521
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: what's up? And Hey, Jeff, that was a great show

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Speaker 1: with with Poli last week. Thank you John, if you've

523
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Speaker 1: got a chance to see it. But somebody called up

524
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Speaker 1: and made a made a very compelling case to have

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Speaker 1: Mr Fiegel's in the Hall of Fame. And I second

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Speaker 1: the nomination hardly. I got great. I got two votes.

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Speaker 1: There we go. Was it your one of your sons

528
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Speaker 1: and your wife? It was not either. Before I get

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Speaker 1: to John, but Jeff, one quick question for you. You

530
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Speaker 1: know I've talked to you before, and I know Joel Rodriguez.

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Speaker 1: I know there's been a change down there in Miami.

532
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Speaker 1: Did did did Joel survived the purge down there, do

533
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Speaker 1: you know or not? I believe he did. I think

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Speaker 1: he's I believe he's still there. Yes, all right, good

535
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Speaker 1: that that that's good news. He's a good guy. And

536
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Speaker 1: ticket holders. They're having their U their day training camp

537
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Speaker 1: next Monday, and I'm taking my little grandson out with me.

538
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Speaker 1: But uh, hopefully we'll get a chance to meet again

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Speaker 1: as we did at the town Hall, except I'll have

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Speaker 1: a partner this time. Um. As far as the weather

541
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Speaker 1: they're looking at, I'm looking ahead and it's it's kind

542
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: of dicey. Do the do? Do you just go out

543
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Speaker 1: and take a chance of the giants published anything in

544
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: advance were No, it's a big drive. Now if it

545
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: looks obvious that it's going to be an absolute disaster.

546
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Speaker 1: Where in the morning it's already pouring and they know

547
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Speaker 1: it's gonna pour all day and the field's not gonna

548
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Speaker 1: be playable because the puddles, they'll call it early now,

549
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, my understanding, Jimmy, that does not happen

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Speaker 1: very often. Does this feel drained so? Well? If you

551
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Speaker 1: get an hour window and it's so hot between the

552
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Speaker 1: rain stopping and practice, they might practice outdoors anyway. Pat

553
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Speaker 1: Schumer has been known even if it's a light rain

554
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Speaker 1: to sit out there and do practice. We we've sat

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Speaker 1: out there in the spring now at O T A

556
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Speaker 1: s and practiced in light rain and my papers I'm

557
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: taking notes through all wet, my inks leaking all over

558
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: the place. It was a disaster. But but that's what

559
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Speaker 1: he does. So Unfortunately, weather's weather, as you well know,

560
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: as we all well know, it's impossible to predict sometimes,

561
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: so unfortunately, and we've had fans complaining about it before,

562
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: and unfortunately there isn't much to do about it. It's

563
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: a deal. You come down and you hope, all right,

564
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: that's understandable, that's that's understandable. You know. Um I loved,

565
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Speaker 1: I mean absolutely love the show. And what I what

566
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Speaker 1: I don't understand though, is at this time of the year,

567
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: especially how so many some not everybody, but so many

568
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: fans can call up and all they find they're they're

569
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Speaker 1: like crape hangers, you know, they're there's you know, chicken

570
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: a little the wall, the skies are going to fall.

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Speaker 1: If he can't be optimistic, you know, at this time

572
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Speaker 1: of the year, then um, I feel a little sorry

573
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Speaker 1: for you. Personally, I'm I'm optimistic about this year. And

574
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: I stopped and thought about it. It actually represents an anniversary.

575
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Speaker 1: It was I was nine years old. It was sixty

576
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: years ago that I went to my first game, and

577
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Speaker 1: that's when the love affairs started. Was sat in the

578
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: meaning a buddy of mine. My father got us into

579
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Speaker 1: the right field bleaches in the old Yankee Stadium and

580
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,959
Speaker 1: it was actually a pretty historical game. It's the Giants

581
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: are up big on the Browns with about two minutes

582
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: to go. Everybody in the right center field bleaches to

583
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Speaker 1: sell to run on the field, and I've got these

584
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: memories of Roba Stellion Tat Cabbage jumping into the crowd

585
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: with their fish cocked and and um, Bob Sheppard and

586
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: Tony get off the field or the Giants are gonna

587
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: have to will be forfeiting this game. And three years

588
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: later we got we got the season tickets and and

589
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm optimistic. One guy I'm very optimistic about this year

590
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: is and Jeff alluded to him as his kid McIntosh.

591
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: Somebody called up early or yesterday, maybe it was a Friday,

592
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: John and said they were um and it was hot

593
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: takes or both predictions, whatever it is. And I think

594
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: that this kid macintosh is gonna is gonna he's going

595
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: to get more time than people are anticipating. And I

596
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: think we're gonna he's gonna be very active and I

597
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: can see maybe four or five sacks come out of

598
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: this kid. I watched the Redskin game down at d

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Speaker 1: C last year where he got a significant amount of

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Speaker 1: playing time. And he's big, he's got some quickness, um,

601
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Speaker 1: and I just think that he's that some people are

602
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: sleeping on him. And although I have been reading some

603
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: good things about him in camp, what did you notice

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Speaker 1: about him, John, in terms of how he's uh, what

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00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: he's doing. He's noticed that he's from Miami though, Yeah

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Speaker 1: I knew that. Yes, sir, thanks for the goal. Culture

607
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: appreciate it. You know, I have not noticed McIntosh ton

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Speaker 1: and I do a pretty good job of trying to

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Speaker 1: keep track of pressures and stuff like that. Um, I

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00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: have not noticed him a lot more so than anybody else.

611
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Speaker 1: But I know Paul Theatica, Paul the Tino was watching

612
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: him a lot. He was all excited about him a

613
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Speaker 1: couple of days ago. So that's one of the guys

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00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: that have in my list that I'm gonna try to

615
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: pay a little bit more more attention to over the

616
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Speaker 1: next couple of days. And guess here's a real trick.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people go out and watch

618
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: practice like, oh, this guy look good, this guy looks good,

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Speaker 1: this guy looks good. I'm not gonna sit here and

620
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Speaker 1: try to tell you some guy looks great if I

621
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Speaker 1: haven't gone out of my way to watch him, because

622
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: there could be things happening on plays, like you could

623
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: have four or five straight pass plays right and the

624
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: ball never goes in DeAndre Baker's direction. And if I'm

625
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: not specifically watching DeAndre Baker, how the heck do I

626
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: know how DeAndre Baker did on those snaps unless I'm

627
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: going back and looking at the practice afterwards, which I

628
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: don't want have access to. So if they're throwing the

629
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Speaker 1: other way, you know, DeAndre Baker could either be sticking

630
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: to his guy so old than not throwing to him,

631
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: or maybe the places designed to go there the way,

632
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: and Baker's playing terrible defense on the side of the field,

633
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: but I'm not watching it, I don't know. So that's

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00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: why I hesitate to to give you an opinion on

635
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: a specific guy. If I haven't gone out of my

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Speaker 1: way to watch him. And that's why it's hard. There's

637
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Speaker 1: a lot going on at practice. For everybody that makes

638
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: these broad statements about what they're seeing at practice about

639
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: all these eventual players, it's really hard to watch. It's

640
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: let me think that back. It's impossible to watch everybody

641
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: at the same time. It just is it is. And

642
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: it's also impossible to know the play and what the

643
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: defense is calling, what his responsibilities are, so you know,

644
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: that's just it all goes into it. And the only

645
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 1: way we're going to get a true assessment is there

646
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: was a coach and sitting here next to us saying

647
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: how is DeAndre Baker have been playing? And you could

648
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: say yeah or nay, are okay or whatever, but it

649
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: is hard to say. You know, a lot of times

650
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: when you go out there, you follow the football. That's

651
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: mainly what a lot of people how they learned to

652
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: watch football. It is very difficult if you do not

653
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: know how to watch football. The other like another wet

654
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: don't watch the football, watch the defensive lineman, keep your

655
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: eyes on that, and it's and try it one time.

656
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: If that's if you're gonna if you're gonna really learn

657
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: about football. You have to train your your eyes in

658
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: your mind of how to watch a football game without

659
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: following the football. You'll learn a lot more about football

660
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: and the guys that are that are playing in the

661
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: trenches and away from the ball. But that's a trick.

662
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: And because you can't watch the ball but at the

663
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: same time know what's going on in the offensive line.

664
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Speaker 1: I mean you can't look. You might see if if

665
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: like some guy gets pressure or something like that, but

666
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: it's just it's really really hard. Yeah, it really is.

667
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: And unless you say to yourself, Okay, I am going

668
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: to specifically for the next five plays, watch this individual

669
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Speaker 1: no matter what happens, I'm gonna watch this this individual drills.

670
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: And then, by the way, what happens if that guy

671
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: just happens to have four or five horrible players, but

672
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: otherwise he's been really good? You know, you don't. That's

673
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: why the only guys that really know who's doing well

674
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: in camp with the coaches, because they sit there and

675
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: literally they don't put a grade on it, but they

676
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: watch what every one of their players do individually on

677
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: every snap in drills and and and on on in

678
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: team portions of practice. So those are the only guys

679
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: that ever really know. Folks, I do the best I can,

680
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: but there's only there's only so much you can do

681
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: with the most thing. I always say this, Jef, and

682
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: and I know you're probably sick of me saying it.

683
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: It's really important to understand and know a lot of

684
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: stuff and have a lot of fashion disposal, be informed.

685
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: But it's just as important to know what you don't

686
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: know and to admit what you don't know, because a

687
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: lot of times I think people don't like to admit that,

688
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: and they'll just say stuff and maybe they're giving the

689
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: most informed opinion they can, but that doesn't mean that

690
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 1: it's necessarily an informed opinion. You know what I mean?

691
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: You have no idea how much how much tape to

692
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: these guys watched during during football season. I mean the

693
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: coaches when the players go home, they're watching film, film film.

694
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: They also review practice and meetings with the players every

695
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: day too. Absolutely, you you installed in the morning, do

696
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: you have your practice, and you watch your practice after afterwards,

697
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 1: and then you do it all over again, and then

698
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: you have your individual meetings, and those are the team

699
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: meetings where you have the defense breaks up in one

700
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: area and the offense breaks up in the other they

701
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: watch it together and then they break up individually and

702
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: go to the Titans. Go here, they watch all their stuff.

703
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm not I'm not gonna say

704
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: this when Paul's on the show, but his sleeper C. J.

705
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: Conrad's look pretty good. Okay, Yeah, the tight end. Yeah,

706
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: you're not gonna say that one easier, but he's gonna

707
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: get cocky. But I'll say, all right, Well, then that

708
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: position is always is one of the areas that we

709
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: always go to as far as numbers, how many are

710
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: they gonna keep? How are they gonna do? So if

711
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: he's making the team, um, well, you know Ingram's making

712
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: the team and you know pretty much Red Ellison's making

713
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: the team. So there's your three guys. What about Simonson?

714
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: I can keep for, we could keep for what about

715
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: Eli Penny? It's all good questions. Jeff two five on three.

716
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: It's all presented by Corps Light. We will play did

717
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: you play with Jeff Eagles later on in the show,

718
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: So I'll tease that and we'll get to your two

719
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: giants chat. Let's go to Mark and South Carolina. He's

720
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: up next. Hey, Mark, Hey, actually it's North Carolina. All right,

721
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: Oh Mark, Mark, I know you guys take that seriously

722
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: down there. You have my sincere apologies. Yeah, but I

723
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: am a Clemson fan. So but anyway, sir enough, Evan

724
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: Ingram as um an interesting idea on um. What I

725
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: was thinking is is maybe put in my wide receiver

726
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: and then that way you can keep the c J.

727
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: Conrad thing going, you know, market funny, funny, real quick,

728
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: it's funny. A sales guy upstairs actually asked me that

729
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: question this morning. I'm gonna tell you the same same

730
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: exact thing I told him. The value of Evan Ingram

731
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: as a tight end is to get mismatches and to

732
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: get him lined up on linebacker. Is gonna lined up

733
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Speaker 1: on safeties where you can make big plays and be

734
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: a guy that's a mismatch problem for the defense and

735
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: you can isolate on guys and he's gonna not just win,

736
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: but win big for big plays. If you're putting him

737
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: out there as a traditional wide receiver, those mismatches go away.

738
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: Might he be a little bit bigger or stronger than

739
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: some of these outside corners, sure, but that's not gonna

740
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: pay dividends and big plays over the top. That's gonna

741
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: be possession stuff and things of that nature. So to

742
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: make I want to keep him at tight end because

743
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: of the mismatches he presents a defense and right now

744
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: with that Odell Beckham Jr. The Giants need as many

745
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: players on this offense to provide mismatch opportunities as possible.

746
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: That's why I want to keep Ingram at tight end.

747
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: But I will say this in the spirit of all

748
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: these wide receivers being hurt, I have no problem. I

749
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: think last year the Giants finished about twelve personnel. If

750
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: you want to jump that to like thirty five personnel

751
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: and if Ingram and Ellison on the field as your

752
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: primary offensive formation, boom, I'm fine with that. That's cool. Well,

753
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: the other thing you have to work. The other thing

754
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: you have to worry about in that situation is that

755
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, without Tate or Shepherd and possibly where do

756
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: you think that Where do you think that people are

757
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: gonna They're gonna focus on Evan Ingram. He's gonna be

758
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: your target, and a lot easier to focus him on

759
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: a wide receiver than Tighten. There you go bring C. J.

760
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: Conrad in the mix. Uh uh. And then you have

761
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: an ingram mall at the same time, you know, interesting, yeah,

762
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: but more, I don't think c. J. Conrad's a mismatch guy.

763
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: He's looked good, but he's I think Conrad is more

764
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: of a two way player. He can block a little

765
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: bit and he can make some catches, but the same

766
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: way Red Ellison can make catch. Yeah, Red Ellison is

767
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: on a mismatch guy. You know what I mean? Right, Okay, Well,

768
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: the main question I was actually gonna bring up was

769
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Speaker 1: about the uh, you know what you guys have been

770
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: talking about last week. Really, um, it's pretty much made

771
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: the case for eighteen games season not being a good

772
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: idea because of um, like, um, you wouldn't want like

773
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: two games where are you still there? Yea, yeah, where

774
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: the two games we wouldn't have like a first team

775
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: reps with Daniel Jones, so he wouldn't be able to

776
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: play to on the two games that they would start him,

777
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: let's say, and um, and then as far as the

778
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: consecutive start like you know, Jeff for Eli Manning, you know,

779
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: there just wouldn't be consecutive starts anymore, you know, Other

780
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: than you know, yeah, I don't really care as much

781
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: about the consecutive start thing. But I do think if

782
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: your season ticket holder and you show up and you're

783
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: spending let's say you're in New England and you're the Patriots,

784
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: you expect to see, you know, Tom Brady, and you

785
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: show up and it's not Tom Brady, and it's who's

786
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: that back up? Now? There is it again? Is it

787
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: still Hoyer? Whoever it is? Who? Whoever is the backup?

788
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: Brady shows up? Oh? Yeah exactly, and you're like, but yeah,

789
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: it's it's ridiculous. Yeah, and it's it's pretty much too like, um,

790
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: the the injuries. I mean, like, like Jeff said, too

791
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: before you know about players play injured a lot. So

792
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: you know, I guess the part is it's like, well,

793
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: if you're gonna play some games, and it just should be,

794
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, just everybody plays eighteen games, but the extra

795
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: bye week would help. You got to have an extra

796
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: bye week. Yeah, I agree with that, But otherwise they're

797
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: gonna play injured anyway. I mean, they're playing injured on

798
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: sixteen games. What's the difference between sixteen and eighteen? You know, well,

799
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: I think then to mark if you have to set

800
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: out two games on an eighteen game schedule, when guys

801
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: are bagged up a little bit, they're not gonna ask

802
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: they got to play through the injuries as much the

803
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: rest of the week because they have the rest of

804
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: weeks anyway, I just right, okay. I haven't had a

805
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: chance to talk about gamestention at the beginning of the year, like, yeah, yeah,

806
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: the question was I think the question is whether or

807
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: not whether or not that suspension would count towards the

808
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: limit there because he's not getting paid for those games,

809
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: so would account. It's another question. I don't know a

810
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that has then, Also, do you pick

811
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: up an extra You have to have extra kickers and punter,

812
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: long snapper and all that. Jeff loves that. Those guys

813
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: we gotta roll. Thank you, Mark, all right? Is it? Mike?

814
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: Go ahead of yeah real quickly. My whole take is this,

815
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: and it all comes down to money, okay, And so

816
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: it comes down to money on both sides of the

817
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: coin here. The players are gonna they will, they will

818
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: happily play eighteen games that you're just gonna pay me

819
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: one eighteenth of my my salary is going up. Okay,

820
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: you're not gonna take my salary and divided by eighteen Yeah,

821
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: you're getting eighteen game checks instead of sixteen game check

822
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: So that's great, but the game check amounts staying the same. No,

823
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: it's not. But it should but it can't. Why not

824
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: because you're gonna make more money because you have eighteen

825
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: regular season games. Okay, so okay, so listen to you ahead.

826
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: Just so everyone knows, the preseasons, everybody makes the same

827
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: Eli Manning and Tom e d and I. When I

828
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: was playing, we all made the same amount of money whatever,

829
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: it was not very much. So now you're gonna get

830
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: two more games, you're gonna make your regular So if

831
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: you're making a million dollars a game, you're now making

832
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: eighteen million on the season opposed to sixteen. Right, that's fine. However,

833
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't the kickers and the punters. They

834
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: can't carry other guys like that. The roster is just

835
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: not enough, so those guys will be allowed to play

836
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: the eighteen games. In my opinion, okay, I just do

837
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: not see how it can work telling the guys that

838
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: they're not gonna play this game or that game from

839
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: the stand from the standpoint of the fans. You can't

840
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: do that to your fans. That's just the way that

841
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: I feel, um, and I just think that the whole

842
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: thing will be come down to money and the players.

843
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: The players would rather listen. I would rather make a

844
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 1: million dollars a game. If this is what I was making,

845
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: then a hundred right, put me in a regular season game. Eighteen.

846
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: The preseason is just glorified practices or what they are.

847
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: The third preseason and game, the guys play what three

848
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: quarters and then you add that up all the other

849
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: quarters that they play in the other preseason game to

850
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: come to maybe one and a half games in the

851
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: preseason that you're really actually playing. Play the two preseason

852
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: games and put them into the regular season, be done

853
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: with it. But you're not gonna chip your fans because

854
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: they will revolt. They really will. That's not gonna work.

855
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah to me. Look, I don't have an opinion sixteen

856
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: or eighteen whatever, you know. I I I get the

857
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: arguments on both sides, and I understand that whit players

858
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to do it, why owners would want to

859
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: do it. I understand where both sides are coming from

860
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: on that. But the whole have a team but only

861
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: play sixteen. There are so many I think unintended consequences

862
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna get from a decision like that, things that

863
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: we haven't even thought of yet, like basketball. Even when

864
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: the guys, when you remember basketball, they'll do what brought Lebron.

865
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: I wanna go with see Lebron James he decides to

866
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: take the game off exactly, And how about this? It's

867
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: gonna destroy Thursday and Night Football because guess when team's

868
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: gonna wrest all their guys on Thursdays? Do you know?

869
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: Do you know how much Fox paid for that television package?

870
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: So I just do you think they're gonna be happy

871
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: when they show up on Thursday Night Football and his

872
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: two backup quarterbacks and a bunch of shlubs that nobody

873
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: wants to see. Well, they're not a bunch of shlubs

874
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: because they're on the fifty three man ros. You understand

875
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: what I mean. But you're right. I don't want to listen.

876
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to see the

877
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: backup quarterback to New England. We don't even know who

878
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: he is. I think I think we went back there.

879
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: I think the thing was your last year And you

880
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: want to go to game this weekend? Guess he's playing

881
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: Brady's out, not forget. I don't want to go all right,

882
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: let's go to my ticket. I think Charlie importantly main

883
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: Online four has been holding the longest. Hey, Chuck, what's up, buddy? Hey,

884
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm good. Hey, the curse continues. Unbelievable, all these injuries,

885
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: five wide receivers. If you don't think there's a curse

886
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: going on, even my cousin Ralph said, go on. Well,

887
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: if your cousin Ralph said it, it has to be true.

888
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: That's right. You know you got curse. W the curse

889
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: coming from Charlie. I want to know who the source

890
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: of the curse is. It's so do the tray. It's

891
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: like Bruce when they traded Babe Ruth. We've got the

892
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: Odell curse. And the only way you're gonna be able

893
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: to break that curse if you've got to bring in

894
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: two giants ex giants, and one of them is Victor Cruz.

895
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: He's tweeted out. He said, I'm ready to go in

896
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: a keen Knicks bring those two other sivers in the curts.

897
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: That ended. It's done, it's over. I don't think m

898
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: Knicks can play football anymore. Hey, he's gonna be playing

899
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: for the excess. Why don't you ask him why he

900
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: worked out with him? Ask him? You see him? Who

901
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: liked they report back to me, Jeff, you love those

902
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: ex giant players. I love it now. Unfortunately, this this

903
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: wide receiver thing is opened the window for Trolley to

904
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: beat his table on something else. Besides, we'll beati, which

905
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: is a good thing, I guess. But now all we're

906
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: gonna hear about for four weeks and the cruise is

907
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: Ramsey's Bardon and Drell turn again and Victor Cruz and

908
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: a Keen Nixon and you know I kill her. It

909
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: I hear, isn't still good shape? Maybe Pop, I hear

910
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: Stephen Baker might want to play again. Phil McConkey, you

911
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: might want to get back out there and then play

912
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: a little bit. Chris Talloway, maybe you tell me a

913
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: little curse going off items. But how do we how

914
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: do we buck the curse we have? Like do we

915
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: have some dolls? Because look here I'll come in and

916
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: do some stage, burn some stage throughout the met life,

917
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, into the loft room. We can burn out

918
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: all the bad comma. And you know I'll do it

919
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: for free. Here's the thing. Look, it's not it's not great,

920
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: it's not ideal. I agree with all that, but let

921
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: me but let me just make this point very quickly.

922
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: If Shepherd's back for the regular season, which by all

923
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: counties should be okay, Now we'll see about Tate. That

924
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: one really hurts. Corey Coleman was going to be, at

925
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: best the third wide receiver. We're not even sure he's

926
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: gonna win that job. Everyone else that got her is

927
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: either rookie or it's a guy towards the bottom of

928
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: the depth chart. They can still be fine if the

929
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: Tate thing works out. Now, if the Tate thing doesn't

930
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: work out and there without him, that's gonna hurt. And look,

931
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: you can have Lance mendoqu sitting here and talk about

932
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: all the depth in the world with veterans and all

933
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: these guys depth a step that whoever they have on

934
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: their bench is not going to be as good as

935
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: Golden Tap. There's a reason Golden Tape got the contract

936
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: he's got. He's really really good. So they're gonna do

937
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: their best. But no, is it gonna be the same.

938
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: It's not. But if you can get stolen Shepherd back,

939
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: remember this offense didn't move the ball the final four

940
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: games of last year with Shepherd plus other guy as

941
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: the second wide receiver. But it puts the pressure on

942
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: Shepherd to be really good, and it puts the Shepherd

943
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: the pressure rather on Evan Ingram to be really really good. Now,

944
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: the thing is, I think the best case scenario with

945
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: eight is gonna be maybe they'll cut it in half

946
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: because of the and he was up front about it,

947
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So he's still gonna miss two games anyway.

948
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: And then but you were just talking about Ingram, and

949
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: the thing is, if you keep telling everyone that Ingram

950
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: is a wide receiver, that's who he is, a big

951
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: wide receiver, treat him like that. And the reason why

952
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: you put him out there, uh, John, is because are

953
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: they going to put their best cornerback on him? Not

954
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: of Shepherds out there and not if you know, and

955
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: if Tate was playing, not of Tate's out there. Now

956
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: you've got your third quarterback, cornerback or fourth cornerback on

957
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: Ingram and you tell me, can't beat that guy, damn

958
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: straight he ken or let me ask you something. Would

959
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: you rather have Ingram going against the safety or a

960
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: linebacker or the team's start best cornerback Hey, I want

961
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: him to answer my question. Answer my question, would you

962
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: would you rather have Ingram matched up in the passing

963
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: game against the linebacker or safety or a third cornerback.

964
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: You can do both. You can have my act field

965
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: and then he'll be on a linebacker and then you

966
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: put him out, you know, put him outside, and then

967
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: he'll be on their third court at cornerback. You realize,

968
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: you realize, even as a tight end, they do line

969
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: Ingram up outside anyway. Right, Yeah, but I don't want

970
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: him blocking. He can't block. Just forget it. He's on

971
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: a tight end. That's why you got Conrad. You bring

972
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: him in. He's a blocker, you know, just forget it.

973
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: But truly, don't you understand the beneficitions, the benefit of

974
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: coming out in either twelve or twenty two personnel with

975
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: two tight ends and either a fullback or not a

976
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: fullback running play action pass and getting Ingram out in space.

977
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: Do you know what the difference is in having Ingram

978
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: in space against the linebacker or safety versus having Conrad

979
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: in space against the linebacker and safety. It's night and day.

980
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: It's not even comparable. Well, Hey, I like I said,

981
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: you can do both, but I would want that guy

982
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: on the field as my third wide receiver, or if

983
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: you want to put him in your twelve package, John Packs.

984
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: So that's fine. No what he is gonna be on

985
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: the field, that's my point. If you go out there

986
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: and twelve personnel, he was lining up as a tight end,

987
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: but he is in effect your third wide receiver, so

988
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: you're getting the best of both worlds. Teams have to

989
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: here's the thing, Charlie. No, but Charlie, here's the thing, Charlie.

990
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Charlie. Here's the thing though, and and

991
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: this is what you're missing. If he's being used only

992
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver and the Giants run him out

993
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: there in you know, twelve personnel, right, guys are gonna

994
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: run their nickel and nine package out there because they

995
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: know the Giants are gonna pass the ball because they

996
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: know Ingram doesn't want to be in your words, I

997
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: never want him to block. So team's gonna roll out

998
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: and extr defensive backs. Okay, if you're using him as

999
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: a tight end and you do ask him to block,

1000
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: and you're coming out in twelve personnel or twenty two personnel,

1001
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: guess what other teams are rolling out their base defense.

1002
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: They're not putting extrar defensive backs on the field, and

1003
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: that sets up the type of mismatches you're looking for

1004
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: against bigger people. If you convince defense is that you're

1005
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: never going to ask him to block. You're just gonna

1006
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: get sub package all game, and that takes away your advantage.

1007
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: Do you understand what I'm saying. I I do to

1008
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: a certain point, But then if you do with the

1009
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: sub packages, then you're getting a fourth and fifth cornerbacks

1010
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: who are capable out on the field covering Ingram. All right,

1011
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: try we had a roll, thanks pal. Wide receivers still

1012
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: have to block. If he's gonna be a wide receiver,

1013
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 1: he's still gonna be asked to block. And look, I'm

1014
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: not I'm not selling you. Evan Ingram is you know

1015
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: Mark Bavari here blocking either. But he's also not Larry Dennell,

1016
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: thank god. I mean we used to watch tape of

1017
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: him trying to block. Well, that whole group that year

1018
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: couldn't block. Remember, horrible. The The bottom line is that

1019
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram. Put him into twelve, put him in the

1020
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: twenty two. Whatever it is he needs to be inside

1021
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: to create matchups that it will win, and this is

1022
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: what the game is all about. And by the way,

1023
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: just so people know, twenty two personnel was running back, fullback,

1024
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: two tight ends, one wide receiver, twelve running back, two

1025
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: tight ends, too wide receivers. And that's how it works, basically,

1026
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: the way the number system works, folks. The first number

1027
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: is the number of running backs, so running backs and

1028
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: fullbacks together. The second number is your number of tight ends,

1029
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: so you put those together, and the remain you always

1030
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: have five ineligible receivers, which is your offensive lineman and

1031
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 1: then your quarterback. So you have five school position players.

1032
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: However many you have left five minus whatever the running

1033
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: back tight end is. That's how many wide receivers you

1034
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: have on the field. So in eleven personnel, you have

1035
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: one running back, one tight end. You know you have

1036
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: five school position guys. What does that mean? That means

1037
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: you have three wide receivers in the field. That's how

1038
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: the number system works. All right, we're gonna take these

1039
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: three more callers. Then we're gonna play our game with

1040
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: Jeff the we're gonna say goodbye. Let's go to Mike

1041
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: and Florida's up next. Hey Mike, Hey, you guys, how

1042
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: are you doing great that I said, I had too

1043
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: much time when I was comparing uh, Jeff Feagel's statistics

1044
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: to Ray guys a lot better about my You're not

1045
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: the only one ever say that. By the way, I'm

1046
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: gonna go back put that on tape and I'm gonna

1047
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: put that on my instant repoint. That was fantastic. Seriously,

1048
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: I would love to see Victor Cruz in the giant uniform.

1049
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: And then, don't get any wrong, but come, is he

1050
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: all right? Forget it? Yes, yes, sir. All the stadiums

1051
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: you you kicked in, what was the what was the

1052
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: one when you looked at the schedule that you dreaded

1053
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: the most um anywhere in the northeast and December that

1054
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: would be basically the answer to that. The Midwest by

1055
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: wasn't like Green Bay in Chicago. That must have been

1056
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: stinky Chicago by far. Probably Chicago if it was on

1057
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: on no matter what, even in the cold weather, it's

1058
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: very windy, they're very, very windy. The other one that

1059
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: a lot of Michigan. I know. I was in the Navy,

1060
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: sure a Great Lakes and uh, October through December, so

1061
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: I know about that. The other the other one that

1062
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: you wouldn't You wouldn't really think of would be? Um?

1063
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: The stadium in Washington is not fun to kick in either.

1064
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's a windy RFK was great. RFK was

1065
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: a fun stadium. FedEx is bad. The field is horrible.

1066
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: It's windy there. Buffalo Buffalo too. Yeah, that's a yeah.

1067
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: That one's really because that's a short, short stadium. It's

1068
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: not very high. The wind is brutal. So anyways, what's

1069
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: your next question? What about that? Oh my god, that

1070
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: that was. You could kick there for all day. I

1071
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: mean the ball just hung in the air and it

1072
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: went far. Yeah, that was a fun place to play.

1073
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,959
Speaker 1: Probably the most rowdiest place that I hated to play

1074
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: was when I was probably in probably in Philly or Oakland.

1075
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: By far. Oakland is the worst Oakland. I swear to

1076
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: half of them on work furlough that day from prison.

1077
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: That's how bad it is. It is ridiculous. And I

1078
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: have a few that that that Al Davis used to

1079
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: pay people to stand behind that bench and just heckle

1080
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: the heck out of the kickers and punters in the

1081
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: kicking net. That they never watched the game. They just

1082
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: sat there and sat there and yelled and screamed at us.

1083
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable, unbelieving. In fact, I'll tell you a

1084
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: quick story. You're gonna laugh at this. I went to

1085
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: the and I was with the Sea Seahawks. I went

1086
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: in you know the you know the the what they

1087
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: call that the black hole. It's like that one end zone.

1088
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: I went to warm up in the black hole. You

1089
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: always start in one part of the end zone. I

1090
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: am in the back of the end zone. It's and

1091
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Behind me, there was a guy that ran

1092
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: over from the raider bench. He ran over to me

1093
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: and he said, Mr Fiagels, Mr Davis would like you

1094
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: to move up to the ten yard line. He doesn't

1095
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with you punting. How close you are to

1096
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: the to the fans right there, beat and easy that

1097
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: the fans would like throw something. They said, Can you

1098
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: just move up to the tenure line? That's the truth.

1099
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: I said, Uh, no problem. Mr Davis wants me to.

1100
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm moving up, Okay, don't worry about it. In the

1101
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: black hole, they're gonna swallow me up. The dog pound

1102
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: is fun too. With the old dog pound back in

1103
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: the day, that was pretty rowdy too. How about the

1104
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: Hogs and DC. Were they good also or not? His bad?

1105
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: Um all the gas that's nothing, but Oaklands are worse?

1106
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: Five one three? I think Scott New Mexico was next

1107
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 1: Pierceon Let's go to him online too. What's up, Scott? H? Scott? Hi, guys,

1108
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: how you doing today? I'll make it brief. I only

1109
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: have really one question. There's a number of holdouts UH

1110
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: in the league this year, Trent Williams, Michael Thomas, the

1111
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: Zekiel Elliot is the one I'm really interested in, and

1112
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: also I think Melvian and gram was from the charters.

1113
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: Do you see a trend that this is something that

1114
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: was established within an Tonio Brown Olivia I'm bull doing

1115
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: it last year and with Ezekiel Elliott specifically. Do you

1116
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: think that will be rectified because that might directly impact

1117
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: the Giants? And I was just curious what you think

1118
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: the trend is going to be with these great players.

1119
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: It's just the siding day. Don't want to they want

1120
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: to get the big money now. And that was really

1121
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: my only question. Now I'll take it off the good

1122
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: Thank you, Scott. I appreciate. I mean, player empowerment has

1123
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: always been the thing. Jeff and we've seen this in

1124
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: season's past, so I think maybe a little bit more now. Yeah,

1125
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: we can gotta get him off there for me. Um,

1126
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: I think we've seen him a little bit more. There

1127
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: we go. Now we got it, um. And by the way,

1128
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: I think we lost. Um, Jeff, Jeff, you want to

1129
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: call right back. I will get you back on the

1130
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: air force all right. Um. Player power has always been

1131
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: a thing, Jeff. I think maybe we're seeing a little

1132
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: bit more now than we had in the past, But

1133
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: we've always seen guys kind of hold out. Do you

1134
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: think it's a lot more than it used to be? Um? No,

1135
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: I don't. I think there was a lot more hold

1136
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: out there used to be a lot more than there

1137
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: are now. But these these these holdouts now are costing

1138
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: these guys a lot of money. Um. Well, no, not quite.

1139
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: Once you start missing regular season games, like you said,

1140
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: that's when the big money starts coming off, right, But

1141
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: you get fine, No, you did get fine. That's and

1142
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 1: it's thirty dollars a day something like. Here's the trick.

1143
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: A lot of times when the player eventually signs a contract,

1144
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: doesn't the team refund those fines back. A lot of

1145
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: the time, I can't answer that because I don't know that.

1146
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure, so I don't held up

1147
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: so many times. How do you not know that I

1148
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: got him all rescinded when I did? But you know,

1149
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: I think is it a trend? I don't think it's

1150
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: a I just think it's guys just want to want

1151
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: to get their money and being impatient they signed their deal.

1152
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: I'm always a true believer that once you signed a deal,

1153
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: you're you're good for it right until they want to

1154
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: renegotiate it or you play it out. Um And and

1155
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: Levian Bell. They don't look at he lost fifteen million

1156
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,919
Speaker 1: dollars last year by sitting out. Did he get paid

1157
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: this year? Yes he did. But you know, is Zeco

1158
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: Elliott Antonio or is he's not? He's not Levian Bell.

1159
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: I can tell you that no. And he, by the way,

1160
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: he has two years left on his deal, not one

1161
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: which Bell had, So I think he's trying to prove

1162
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: a point. And I get it. Running backs of have

1163
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: a low shelf life. We've talked about that more than

1164
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: anybody over the past few years. I get it. But

1165
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that Jones is gonna get warmer Jerry Jones,

1166
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: Emmett Smith missed two games back and as good as

1167
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: ke Elliott, he's not HIMT Smith. Are you gotta be careful?

1168
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: You gotta be careful. I mean you you lose a lot,

1169
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: You lose a lot in this. Now, the important thing

1170
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: for Giant fans here is it doesn't come back so

1171
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: late that he can't really do much in that first game.

1172
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: It depends on how much he's doing now. I mean,

1173
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: is he a diner eating every day? I know he

1174
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: looks like a guy that could lose a little bit,

1175
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: like he could. He could go the other way if

1176
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: he's not doing something right. I was going to say

1177
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: the same Exam. I totally agree with you. I get

1178
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: to see him like a picture. WHOA, what happened to him? Yeah,

1179
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: he's the guy when he retires about three or four

1180
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: years later, it's like, yeah, exactly. But I would be

1181
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: shocked if he's not playing Week one against the Giants.

1182
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 1: Now how early he reports, I don't know, but I'd

1183
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: be shocked if he missed games. Yeah, I would be too. Right,

1184
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: he's not. Remember they have two eyes on expiring deals,

1185
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: Prescott and Cooper that they're trying to take care of first,

1186
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: which is which is probably really what's making him so mad, Like, really,

1187
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: what about me? You know, I'm I'm zekoel Elliott. This

1188
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: is also the guy that missed half a year two

1189
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: years ago busy got suspended for being an idiot. So

1190
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Yeah, there's just a lot that

1191
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: that's a tough I'd say the cowboy that I mean cowboys.

1192
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: That's there's always something going on. And by the way,

1193
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say for being any for doing something or

1194
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: being accused of doing something off the field. That that

1195
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: that's obviously pretty heteous. So we'll see what happens. All right,

1196
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: we got one more call that then we're gonna play

1197
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: our game, will go little past two years. Sorry Pierson.

1198
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: Let's go to Jeffrey Roode Island. He's up next. Jeff nice,

1199
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: great good. All right, Johnny, you were you were right

1200
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: about Brian Hoyer number one. Thank you. So you get

1201
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: points for that. Um, yeah, if I was Evan Ingram,

1202
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean to me is his sole purpose on the

1203
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: Giants is to create a mismatch against an a poisoned

1204
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: linebacker for safety. Take your pack. That's that's that's the

1205
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: end of the story right there. I hope I'm not

1206
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: hearing about that all summer from our friend up in Main.

1207
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: By the way, it's Jeff. He's not the only one.

1208
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: We've heard it all all off season. There was a

1209
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: B reporter that asked Charmer about that yesterday. What did

1210
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: he say? He said, no receiver, correct one. And by

1211
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: the way, Jeff, that's by fault. I should have said

1212
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: that when Charlie called Pat Chummer was asked about that

1213
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, and he's like, you know,

1214
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: he's a tight end. Come on, come on, um so um, yeah,

1215
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you about the X Man, but

1216
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: I was kind of disappointed to see you're not doing

1217
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: the trainer can't play reports this year. Actually they it'll

1218
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: be on MSG tonight. Yeah. Well, I don't have him

1219
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: sorry about that, you know, unless you want to hook

1220
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: me up with us somehow. I can't help you there, Jeff. Yeah,

1221
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: but I know it's really early, but anything from the

1222
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: X Man um I have been watching, specifically, he got

1223
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: in the backfield a bunch of second day of practice. Um,

1224
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: but i'd like to I'm gonna try to focus on

1225
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: the more. I'm gonna really do a lot of old

1226
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: line d line work the next two pad of practice

1227
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: days with Dexter and Zimmenez. So I'll I'll have better

1228
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: feel for it. Then okay, I'll get back to here.

1229
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: Then all right, all right, welcome. You want to play

1230
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: a game real quick? Come here we go. We got

1231
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: three at least three right, Gott's favorite games like pull,

1232
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: be quick, Jeff figs, I don't have a great member.

1233
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: Listen to this game. This is a great game FEGs

1234
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: with the Eagles. Let's see who Jeff remembers. You can

1235
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: make a mockery of my memory. Here's your host and

1236
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: he does. All right, here we go, Mr Fiego's ready

1237
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: to go. Did you play with deems Man put me

1238
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: down for a win on this one, folks, Yes, I

1239
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: did Seattle long snapper. He was the long snapper and

1240
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: tight end. There you go. Second one. It's the second

1241
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: time I got caught with a long snapper in two

1242
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: straight weeks. They don't list long snapper on the ward.

1243
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: You know that's your That's so that's an advantage to me.

1244
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: That is an advantage to you. Did you play with

1245
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: Kerrie Joseph? Did you play with Kerry Joseph? Yes, I

1246
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: did with Kerry josepha teammate of mine within the Arizona Cardinals?

1247
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: Or was it Seattle? Seattle? It was Seattle. It was

1248
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: the car It was Seattle. But you said Cardinals, so

1249
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: you are incorrect, sir. It was Seattle. It was Seattle.

1250
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: That was correct. What position you played? He was running back,

1251
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: defensive pack. That's definitely a loss that. Did you play

1252
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: with Jonas Seawright? No? Oh wait, no, yes I did.

1253
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: Did I play with Sea right? Now he's with here?

1254
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: Did you play with the Giants? Did you play with Jonas? Yes?

1255
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, I did two thousand nine. Now what

1256
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: what what you do? What? What position did you play? Correct?

1257
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: You are right there? We go fine? Three? Two for three.

1258
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: Darryl Smith. Did you play with Darryl Smith? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: know Smith, Darryl Smith, of all people, Darryl Smith. I

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Speaker 1: think I did. Darrell Smith? You have no idea because

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Speaker 1: Darrell Smith is a basketball player. Probably Did you play

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Speaker 1: with Darryl Smith? No? I didn't. He wasn't he was

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Speaker 1: on that. You did play with Darryl Smith? He was

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Speaker 1: an offensive tackle for the Philadelphia Eagles. Of Darrell Smith.

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Speaker 1: All right, two for two today, that's about my average.

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Speaker 1: You're fourteen and twelve on the year. Thank you, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll see you next time. I did not

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Speaker 1: get to your tweets. Guys, I'm sorry. I'll get to

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Speaker 1: him later in the week. I promise you we'll get

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Speaker 1: real quick. Alonso Russell from this is from A. J. Marshall.

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Speaker 1: Ronzo Russell continue to press of training camp making play

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Speaker 1: someone to keep an eye on. Bigger guy, not super fast,

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Speaker 1: young um. But he's one of those guys that has size. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know much about him. I will number eighty

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Speaker 1: four just to give you an idea. Look at him.

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Speaker 1: All I see is Larry Dennelli eighteen because he's built

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Speaker 1: similarly to him. But he's a big guy. So Charlie

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Speaker 1: one to the guy that looks like a tight end

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Speaker 1: that plays wide receiver, Alonzo Russell, that's you make him

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Speaker 1: has appreciate it, guys cover. Thank you, Jeff. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow on Big Well Kick Golf Live back at

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Speaker 1: one practices back as well at We'll see you then. Audios.