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Speaker 3: to break it all down. Kind of a funky game.

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Speaker 3: Poor zingis out to start, a lot of attacking the

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Speaker 3: rim for Dallas, getting easier shots around the basket, but

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Speaker 3: that classic Boston driving kick attack and excellent defense gets

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Speaker 3: a big What was whether they were up twenty one

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Speaker 3: in the early fourth quarter, A little bit of a

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Speaker 3: classic Boston meltdown, a bunch of bad isolation possessions. Dallas

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Speaker 3: gets going a little bit, but at the end Luca

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Speaker 3: fouls out. Boston just seeming It kind of reminded me

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Speaker 3: control of the game late with a few good defensive

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Speaker 3: a sudden, the Celtics are up three to zero in

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Speaker 3: the final. So Colin, what's your biggest takeaway after Game

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, you can't be a lobsided team

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Speaker 1: I mean, good God, you could go to Ron Harper

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Speaker 1: You know, there were just other guys that could contribute.

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Speaker 1: And I also think it's to your point. So my

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Speaker 1: This is just a mismatch, and I think it starts

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Speaker 1: begging the question is what do we do with Boston.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the great runs by a team ever.

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Speaker 1: It's a tough, physical twenty seven. You know, they just

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Speaker 1: And I think Jaylen Brown to me's a little d

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Speaker 1: He has worked at his craft, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would I would attribute Jalen Brown's kind of

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Speaker 3: Work, he got better, He gave his team a better

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Speaker 4: You have to be able to guard different teams.

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Speaker 1: This is what happens if you look at most of

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Speaker 3: And like, and so he's kind of in a weird way,

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Speaker 3: like for this particular group, he's the type of superstar

431
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 3: that kind of actually.

432
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Speaker 4: Does float all the boats higher.

433
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Speaker 3: He does kind of just seem to buy virtue of

434
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 3: his willingness to kind of just disappear into different roles

435
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 3: based on what that game needs. It's made it so

436
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 3: that this team, because again my fear with Boston was

437
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Speaker 3: will they be able to do this? Will they be

438
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Speaker 3: able to play drive and kick basketball and trust each

439
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 3: other and avoid the bad ISO threes and play defense

440
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 3: the way they need to? And they have And I

441
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 3: mean again, like I feel like everything comes back to,

442
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 3: like what conversation we're having. If we're having the conversation

443
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Speaker 3: is Tatum one of the best, like two or three

444
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Speaker 3: players in the world. Then yeah, it's like we got

445
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: to be a little bit more nitpicky. That's why we're

446
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Speaker 3: talking about Luca. You're wondering what you said. You don't

447
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 3: want to pick on Luca. This is a pretty low

448
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 3: bar that we're asking here, Like we're not saying you

449
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 3: need to be all world. You just can't be like

450
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 3: highlight real bad on the defensive end of the floor

451
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 3: like that. That's what we're talking about. And so again,

452
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Speaker 3: within the context of where Tatum is in this league,

453
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Speaker 3: I think he's done a beautiful job leading this team.

454
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Speaker 1: You can't roll through the playoffs like this. I mean

455
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: they were twenty three and seven against the West. I

456
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Speaker 1: think if you count the playoffs, forty four and eleven

457
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: against the East, and they're just a hot knife through

458
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: Marger and then the playoffs, you do have to have

459
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Speaker 1: a conversation like have we sort of undervalued just how

460
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Speaker 1: good they are? And I was thinking tonight when Horford

461
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 1: had a big I think a defensive player or rebound

462
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Speaker 1: late and I'm like, dude, he's like they're seventh, they're games.

463
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's like stop on Tyrie.

464
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like this team's got a lot of It

465
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Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit when Andre Iguidala was the

466
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Speaker 1: MVP and the Warriors. Finally, you're like, you're a pretty

467
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: deep team. When you're bench guy. They aren't as electric

468
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: or aesthetically pleasing as the Warriors, but I'm telling you

469
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Speaker 1: they they have more good shooters than the Warriors. The

470
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Speaker 1: Warriors just had the best shooter on the planet and

471
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Speaker 1: the best catch and shoot. The Warriors probably had three

472
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Speaker 1: of the four better shooters if they match. But if

473
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Speaker 1: you're going seven deep, I just don't think NBA teams, Jason,

474
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Speaker 1: this is a younger league they're not equipped to beat.

475
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Speaker 1: It's almost like the league got caught flat footed when

476
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Speaker 1: they added Drew and Porzingis, and even without him tonight,

477
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: you're like, it's just it's a young league. People don't

478
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Speaker 1: have that many wing defenders, you know. And by the way,

479
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: wing defenders has been for about three years. What the

480
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: league wants, well, nobody's trading when they get them. Nobody's

481
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: giving them up. So it's like, there are excellent wing

482
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Speaker 1: defenders in the league. Boston just happens to have like four,

483
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,719
Speaker 1: and they have seven shooters. So I do feel like

484
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: the Celtics to some degree, kind of have caught the

485
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Speaker 1: league flat footed by upgrading at the Marcus Smart position,

486
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: upgrading at Porzingis, who didn't play, so Dallas scored low tonight.

487
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: A couple of lobs returned. But we got to be

488
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Speaker 1: honest about this. It's a moment in time. The league

489
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Speaker 1: can't defend this team. They're just when they're playing ball

490
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: movement Celtic basketball like that second quarter. Nobody's stopping this team. Nobody.

491
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the this is probably the first NBA

492
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Speaker 3: team I've ever seen that can credibly run a full rotation,

493
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Speaker 3: like a literally a full eight man rotation, where every

494
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 3: single player can dribble, shoot, and pass well everyone like

495
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: it's it's It's truly a unique combination. And so to

496
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Speaker 3: your point that I don't think NBA teams are jet

497
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Speaker 3: prepared for.

498
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Speaker 1: That, They're not.

499
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Speaker 4: Now I've been I've I've been.

500
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Speaker 3: Thinking a lot about where I would rank Boston among

501
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Speaker 3: other champions over the course of the last couple of days.

502
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Speaker 4: And it's complicated because I.

503
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Speaker 3: Do think this team appears more dominant than they actually are,

504
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 3: in the sense that the bottom of the East was

505
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 3: extraordinarily weak, so they racked up a ton of wins

506
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: there to The Eastern Conference had five good teams, four

507
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: of them ended up on the other side of the bracket,

508
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 3: so they only had to play one of them, and

509
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 3: that team was injured. Those teams all beat the heck

510
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Speaker 3: out of each other. The Celtics had two easy first

511
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Speaker 3: round opponents. Also, I think you and I would both

512
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Speaker 3: agree that Minnesota and Denver would have presented more issues

513
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Speaker 3: to Boston more than doubt, Like Minnesota has the personnel

514
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Speaker 3: to contain on the perimeter, which is like literally what

515
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Speaker 3: you have to do to beat Boston. So I do think,

516
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Speaker 3: like when I was thinking about it, like there are

517
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Speaker 3: teams that are somewhat more limited in recent champions like

518
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Speaker 3: that Warriors team with Steph. I didn't think that was

519
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: a great roster. I thought that was just Steph literally

520
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 3: just like just hit the peak of his play there

521
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 3: in that game for and obviously a deserving champion, But

522
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 3: Steph was that team that was not a super talented team.

523
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: The twenty twenty one Bucks that was the COVID year.

524
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Speaker 3: A bunch of good teams and good players were out.

525
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Speaker 3: But I think I think like I think Boston has

526
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Speaker 3: a case to be better than that, like Denver Lakers

527
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: Raptors tier that we have in the last last few years.

528
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Speaker 3: My one pushback on that would be those were awesome

529
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Speaker 3: teams that also had the undisputed best player in the

530
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Speaker 3: world on them at that time. Because in twenty nineteen

531
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Speaker 3: Lebron was hurt. You could make the case Kawhi was

532
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: that guy, right like Jokic last year probably still the

533
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Speaker 3: best player in the world. Lebron in twenty twenty I

534
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Speaker 3: thought was the best player in the world. So that's

535
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Speaker 3: a one thing that complicates that discussion. That's it to

536
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Speaker 3: your point in terms of the league being flat footed.

537
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: You gotta beat Boston to win the title, so you

538
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 3: better have guys that can guard on the perimeter, and

539
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 3: even your weak links better be able to at least

540
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: do something within the scheme like funnel to the right spot,

541
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: like compete on the glass, get back in transition. And

542
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 3: so I think that if there's something that Dallas has

543
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 3: to learn from this, and Luca specifically, if you're going

544
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: to like Boston's probably gonna be heavily favored to win

545
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: the East again next year easily, and so that so

546
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: that means if you're gonna encounter this team again, you

547
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: better be ready for this challenge. And I think that's

548
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: gonna be something they're gonna have to look into again, Luca. Individually,

549
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: all these teams, like teams like the Lakers that have

550
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 3: like always they're always playing two or three bad perimeter defenders.

551
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: That could be a nightmare if you ran into Boston

552
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, team teams like Denver. Like Denver, even

553
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: I would have been interested to see this matchup because

554
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: of seeing Jokic garden space, seeing Jamal Murray garden space,

555
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: seeing Michael Porter junior garden space, and so all of

556
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 3: these teams I think are gonna be looking at it

557
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: and like, we got to get more athletic on the perimeter.

558
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk a little Jerry West eighty six

559
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: years old. By now, everybody has seen the stories. One

560
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: of the things that really jumped out to me this

561
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: week was how badly the Lakers have butchered their coaching search.

562
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: And I thought they sort of butchered the death of

563
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: Jerry West. They were very late on sending out something

564
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: like four to five hours late. I had a discussion

565
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: with somebody yesterday and they said you know, to preserve

566
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: the Bus Jerry Buss legacy. Genie may want to consider selling.

567
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: She can't compete financially. It's not an elite front office,

568
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: you know, the clipper's office, the executive suite has far

569
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 1: more people, far richer owner going into a new arena.

570
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: It's they're just not I look at the Lakers, very

571
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: petty with Jerry West. Come on, he's the logo. And

572
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Speaker 1: I never faulted them. When Phil Jackson and Jerry West,

573
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,239
Speaker 1: you know they you know, there's reports that's not who

574
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: Jerry would have hired. They were never built to get

575
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: along right. That was never going to work.

576
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Speaker 4: I get it.

577
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: But I thought between this coaching search, which has been embarrassing,

578
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean, when you go after a college coach and

579
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: you can't bid more than Kentucky does. I mean, this

580
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: is the California is the largest economy in the country.

581
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, I think is the biggest single city economy,

582
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: maybe at San Francisco with Silicon Valley. But I thought

583
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: that was embarrassing, and I thought they handled the Jerry

584
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: West thing poorly. And I will say this, I reached

585
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: out to a couple of people today because it happened

586
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: right before I went on the show, so I didn't

587
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: get text during the show. But I mean what people

588
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: really said was is that if you think of how

589
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: long Jerry West was in basketball, it's like it's like

590
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: eight to eighty six, Like you know, it's eight years

591
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: old to eighty six.

592
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Speaker 4: In that.

593
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: All those the tough childhood, the brutal childhood, lost his brother,

594
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: his dad verbally and physically abusive.

595
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 4: That kind of.

596
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: Isolates you, like you feel like you're on an island.

597
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: You don't trust dad, and there's loss of life in

598
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Speaker 1: the family. Jerry became a great friend and a great

599
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: listener and a great ally to players, and I don't

600
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 1: think that ever left him. I mean, I think to

601
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: the very end, it's pretty remarkable when an eighty year

602
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: old man is revered by twenty three year old men,

603
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: that's really rare. I mean, it's one thing if you're like,

604
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, you landed on the moon, you're an astronaut.

605
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: You know, we all have these iconic figures, but for

606
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: people in your industry to still like, hey, let's get

607
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: Jerry West on the phone. And I think Jerry's rough

608
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: childhood created this sort of metal and steel, you know,

609
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: he said a lot of people say they're dogs. He goes,

610
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: I was a wolf. I eight dogs. There's a toughness

611
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Speaker 1: with Jerry, and I wouldn't want to go his past

612
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: to get it, but I mean he he The word

613
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: I got from two people today was like he was relentless.

614
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: If Jerry wanted something, you know that movie. Rick Buker

615
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: said today he was called the logo and El Loco

616
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: like he like they were both nicknamed. So but I

617
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: guess going back to my point with the Lakers, I

618
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: thought they were really petty on his death, right, Like

619
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Speaker 1: you can beat petty in life. Don't be petty when

620
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: somebody dies, Like tell your ex wife, your ex husband,

621
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Speaker 1: if they pass, that's the day that you show some

622
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: grace and class, right, even if you've had acrimony in

623
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Speaker 1: a relationship.

624
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, it's a low bar. It's a low bar.

625
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: It's the day that he died. You're expecting more than that.

626
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: I you know, obviously, obviously Jerry was one of the

627
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: original psycho competitors, the guys that are just wired a

628
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: certain way that obviously led to their success. I you

629
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Speaker 3: know what fascinates me with him too, is he's just

630
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: one of the most respected basketball minds that ever came

631
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 3: into the league, and he's got his fingerprints on all

632
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: of these weird turning points in NBA history. For instance,

633
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: he was basically the guy that put Kobe and Shack together.

634
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember this, but he was

635
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: the guy that stopped the Warriors from trading Klay Thompson

636
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: for Kevin Love.

637
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, he said he would resign.

638
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like that.

639
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: Was a huge Like that was a huge turning point

640
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: in the history of the NBA had they made that deal.

641
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: Because I mean, as I think, Kevin Love is a

642
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: little underrated in NBA history, but he wouldn't Clay, and

643
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: Clay obviously was a natural fit with that team. Say

644
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: what you want about the Clippers. Their failures have primarily

645
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: had to do with health. But like I mean, if

646
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: the Clippers ever could stay healthy and together with Kawhi

647
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: at the top of his game, they would have just

648
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 3: been a better version of the Celtics team. And like

649
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: he he's how rare is it too to see an

650
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: older guy who's been around the league that long, who's

651
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: that who's got that much of his finger on the

652
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: pulse of where the game of basketball is heading? Because

653
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: that's so unique because usually it's the older guys that are,

654
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 3: you know, still running eye formation and it's still stubborn,

655
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: and they're stubborn, Yeah, exactly, and he's he was the

656
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: guy that was just kind of ahead of the curve

657
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: in all of those different ways. And like, that's what

658
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: I'll always remember about Jerry West is if you're right

659
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: in the short list of the guys that that were

660
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: the basketball geniuses in the history of the league, He's

661
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: just on the short list there.

662
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there there was a humility about him. You know,

663
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: it's it's weird to say, but you can be really

664
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: confident and simultaneously humble. You can't be arrogant and humble,

665
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: but you could be confident in humble and he straddled

666
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: that line where and again, his childhood probably had a

667
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: lot to do with that. You know, you're very grateful

668
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: when you kind of feel like you escape tough times,

669
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's like when they you know,

670
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: I was a child of divorce. Not to bring it

671
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: back to me, but when you're a child of divorce,

672
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how much you make. You remember not

673
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: being able to afford like cleats in high school and

674
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: having to borrow with friends, like you remember having to

675
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: wear like ripped shorts and pe glass because your mom

676
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: and dad were divorced. Like, I don't care if you're seventy.

677
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: That shit doesn't go away like that. Tom Brady to

678
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: this day has a chip on his shoulder because he

679
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: went in the sixth round. You win in thirty Super Bowls,

680
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: it just doesn't matter. So it's sometimes really bad parenting

681
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: and bad situations create jet fuel and humility and gratefulness.

682
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: And I think Jerry had all of those things. And yeah,

683
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: well he won't have to watch the Celtics hoisted trophy.

684
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: I guess they're Jerry. I know he didn't like that.

685
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: Boston has had a great deal of success. The Red

686
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: Sox don't feel like they're in that stratosphere. But between

687
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: New England and the Celtics, you know, I said this

688
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: before the series. The Celtics were too good not to

689
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: win one. They're too weird to win four. And this

690
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: thing will eventually break up Porzingis's health, Derek Wide will

691
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: get paid for by somebody. They're just too good not

692
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: to win. And in this NBA, you know, I watched

693
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: them tonight when they are moving the ball, like the

694
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 1: second quarter.

695
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 4: I mean my notepad I was. I'm watching it with

696
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: my daughter.

697
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is insane, this is like, this is

698
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: like I mean, this is like if you're in a

699
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: gym and a bunch of college guys come in and

700
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: start playing against non players and you're like, God, everybody's

701
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: everybody's great.

702
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 4: Like, there was a.

703
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: Point You're like, this could be a forty point game.

704
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: This is Dallas. The crowd just went quiet. I think

705
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: Boston's too good, too good not to win a title.

706
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we were on that over the last couple

707
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: of years. They were gonna get one.

708
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is group.

709
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: As soon as they made the poor Zincis draw Holiday

710
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: t it just felt like inevitable that once in the

711
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: next three years, Yeah, they were going to get Well,

712
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: it's just a question of when and like and you know,

713
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: I think I again, I think that. I think that

714
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: it really came down to all season long. It was

715
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: whether or not Boston was going to play to their

716
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: strengths when it mattered, and they did that. We were

717
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 3: were we going to get the Jalen Brown that fell

718
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: apart against Miami last year, or were we going to

719
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: get the Jalen Brown that we know he's capable of being.

720
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 3: He's been the Jalen Brown that we know he's capable

721
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: of being. Like Drew Holliday, was he going to be

722
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: a clunky fit or was he going to be a

723
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: natural fit. He's a natural fit by the way, watching

724
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: Drew Holiday guard Kyrie Irving down the stretch of that game,

725
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: just like there's so many highlights now in NBA Finals

726
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: history from the last few years of just Drue just

727
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 3: putting the clamps on people.

728
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, I thought of this. You know,

729
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered, don't get greedy.

730
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: Is this a moment in time? In a weird way

731
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: for Dallas, this is sort of a hey, be careful

732
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: about Kyrie. You got to the finals. This was wonderful.

733
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: But Jason he had like he's had eight bad playoff

734
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: games like this, Like every third game it's bad, and

735
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: it was atrocious defensively. If there's anything out of this

736
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: series that you go, okay, it's you know, if Kyrie

737
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: comes out of this thing. You know, we've seen this

738
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: with Andrew Wiggins contract here gets to the finals. It's

739
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: the minute he got the bag he's never been the

740
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: same player, Like this is a reminder. Kyrie's not good defensively.

741
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: He can be streaky, He's very hot and cold. He

742
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: can fall in those Boston games. In Boston he gets

743
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: very iso, very quickly. Just you know, again, he got

744
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: to the finals with him. As I was watching this,

745
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: I thought there were times tonight I'm like, this isn't

746
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: the worst thing for Dallas. This isn't And now you'd say, well,

747
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: porzingis Brunson, Kyrie can't.

748
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't.

749
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: He got to the finals.

750
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: Did you ever ever?

751
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean, did you ever?

752
00:37:59,400 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

753
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm the game tonight and I'm thinking, I'm trying to

754
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: think of positives for Dallas, and my positive is, well,

755
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: they're not going to sign Kyrie to a massive extension

756
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: in a year, right.

757
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

758
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: I think I think that Kyrie has been a lot

759
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: more good than bad in this postseason run. I also

760
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 3: think he was pretty good tonight for the most part. Again,

761
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: the defense hasn't been good enough, but that.

762
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: He scored a lot in the first half, Yeah, yeah,

763
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: he did.

764
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 3: He was a big part of how they got that

765
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: early lead. Yeah, But there's he had two absolute stinkers

766
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 3: in Boston and there's just no way around it. And

767
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: like the hard part too, is that it looked like

768
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: the crowd got to him a little bit. My bigger

769
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: fear with Dallas. And this is, by the way, this

770
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: is not this is not just emotion speaking. This is

771
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: just what NBA history has told us. There hasn't been

772
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: a since since Katie left the Warriors, there hasn't been

773
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: a team in the West that's even made it twice.

774
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: So like it's a different team every year. It's like, oh,

775
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 3: here's the Lakers, here's Phoenix, you know. Oh here's Golden State.

776
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: Oh here's Denver, Here's Dallas. Like next year Memphis has come,

777
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 3: John Moran's coming back, Jared Jackson and Desmond Bayner getting better,

778
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 3: They're gonna be right there in the mix with everybody.

779
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: Oklahoma City wouldn't be surprised if they were the one

780
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: seed again next year. Not to mention they have a

781
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: trade to make. The Lakers are probably gonna do something

782
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: to go all in. Who knows what the Clippers are

783
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 3: gonna do heading into their new arena. There's so many

784
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: good teams in the Western Conference, And like you trick

785
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 3: yourself into thinking like, oh, We're just gonna be there

786
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: every year. Like I would be shocked if Dallas made

787
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 3: it back to the finals next year, would you absolutely?

788
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: First of all, Denver is already favored, and Denver will

789
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: make They'll make an addition. And Denver led by twenty

790
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: in Game seven against Minnesota and matches up much better

791
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: with Boston. Also with Boston, we have to be honest.

792
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: Porzingis's health is a real issue. This is not a

793
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: new thing like this is this is who he is. Also,

794
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: it's different after you win. It is hard. You know,

795
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: people take a little off season, you know, make a

796
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: little longer off season. That's just the reality it is.

797
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean Aalen Brown signed of Max played great, you know,

798
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: it's he may not equal that. So Also I think

799
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: the Knicks will get another player, and I think the

800
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: Knicks can be physical enough. Could be a real pain

801
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: in the ass for Boston in the playoffs the way

802
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: they play, if they can stay healthy and be physical.

803
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 1: So Philadelphia's got cap space, Milwaukee Dame Jannis probably both

804
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: don't get hurt. And I think everybody in the West

805
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: getting better. I mean, o case, he is interesting. They

806
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: they have enough draft capital, they're good. They could get

807
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: great with the right edition, like like like that. So yeah,

808
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: I think I think listen, I had Boston in six.

809
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: It looks like Boston in four. But this this NBA,

810
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: which is more international and more parody.

811
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 4: I'm here for it.

812
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: You know. I sat there tonight and I'm like, if

813
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: Dallas comes back and wins, you got to be kidding me. Like,

814
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: for for two and a half quarters, I'm like, God,

815
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: Boston is this is this is warrior, like with Katie,

816
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: this is a machine. And then they just got into

817
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: this awful ISO like bad. I I'm talking like old Boston.

818
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking like twelve and or fourteen shots. You're like

819
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: that fallaways Like like I'm like, missoula time out, get

820
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: a set play, what do we do? And then you

821
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: know Tatum had a couple, Jalen Horford a big defensive play.

822
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think this turned out sort of

823
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: how we thought. It's just been quicker.

824
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: Well it should have been more competitive, but we all

825
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: knew this would happen. You're right, And like again, my

826
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 3: all eyes for me are on Luca. I if he

827
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: comes into camp next year and looks physically different, that'll

828
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: tell me a lot about what he's learned about his

829
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: game and what.

830
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 4: He needs to do.

831
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: If he's serious about getting to the promised line, I'll

832
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: be excited to see that. All right, guys, that's all

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