1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: This is the. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 3: Bloomberg Day BAC podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen. It's Tuesday, the fourth of March. 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 3: Here in London. I'm Caroline Hepka. Coming up today, the 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 3: US on leashes a barrage of tariffs on goods from Canada, Mexico, 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 3: and China. As Beijing and Toronto respond, President Trump halts 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 3: US military aid to Ukraine in a bid to squeeze 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: Zelinski Plus seeking safe harbor, stocks sell off and bonds rise. 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 3: As Trader's Way, growing geopolitical risks, and the threat of 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 3: tit for tat levees. Let's start with a roundup of 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: our top stories. America has implemented the most sweeping tariffs 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 3: yet of Donald Trump's presidency. Most goods entering the country 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: from Canada and Mexico will now face a twenty five 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 3: percent charge, while the tariff on Chinese goods has been 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: doubled to twenty percent. Speaking at the White House, President 17 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 3: Trump pitched the move as a way to bring more 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: manufacturing back to the US. 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 4: I would just say this to people in Canada or 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 4: Mexico if they're going to build car plans to people 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 4: that are doing them are much better off building here 22 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 4: because we have the market with the market where they 23 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 4: sell the most, and so I think it's going to 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 4: be very exciting, very exciting for the automobile companies. 25 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: President Trump's tariffs prompted swift retaliation from Canada and China, 26 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 3: and may spur similar reprisals from Mexico. Beijing immediately announced 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: that it would impose tariffs of up to fifteen percent 28 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: on US exports, with a focus on farm, produce and 29 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 3: defense firms. Speaking just ahead of the US tariffs coming 30 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: into force, the Canadian Foreign Minister Melanie Jolie said the 31 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 3: government was ready to go ahead with its retaliatory duties 32 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: on one hundred and seven billion dollars of US products 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: announced last month. 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 5: We know that this is an existential threat to US 35 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 5: and there. 36 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: Are thousands of jobs in Canada at stake. Now we've done. 37 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: The work we already should the US decide to launch their. 38 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: Trade war, Canadian Foreign Minister Melanie Jolie, speaking there. The 39 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: Bank of Canada has warned that a prolonged tariff war 40 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: has the potential to decrease GDP by nearly three percent. 41 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: Over two years and quote wipeout growth during that period. Separately, 42 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: President job also announced that the US will impose tariffs 43 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: on external agricultural products from the second of April. In 44 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: a social media post, he wrote, to the great farmers 45 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 3: of the United States, get ready to start making a 46 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: lot of agricultural product to be sold inside of the 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: United States. The President did not provide more detail on 48 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: which products would be affected or if there would be 49 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 3: any exceptions. The move comes just as US food ued 50 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: imports of ballooned, with the country's agriculture trade deficit projected 51 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: to hit a record forty nine billion dollars this year. Well, 52 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: the decision to move forward with the tariffs has sparked 53 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: a bearish mood of cross markets. Asian shares sank to 54 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: their lowes sleven in a month, while the S and 55 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 3: P five hundred suffered its worst sell of this year. 56 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 3: The US index of leading shares fell one point eight 57 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: percent on Monday, while a gauge of the magnificent seven 58 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: megacap stocks sank by more than three percent. Joseph Lavornia 59 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: was the chief economist of the White House National Economic 60 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 3: Council during President Trump's first administration. 61 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 5: The markets worried. It's understandable because the tariffs are significant, 62 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 5: and in some ways they need to be. The President 63 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 5: is serious about reindustrializing the US manufacturing base, and tariffs 64 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 5: are a very important. 65 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 6: Tool that will be used to do that. 66 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 5: The markets also, I think we're not believing the President 67 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 5: was serious with these tariffs. So today might just reflect 68 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 5: the fact that for much I think of this year, 69 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 5: there was thoughts that they would actually never be ablemented 70 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 5: or be watered down. So I think today was really 71 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 5: a reality check for many investors. 72 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: Joseph Lavornia speaking there, as Wall Street's so called fear gauge, 73 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: the Vics hit the highest since December. Markets are bracing 74 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: for further volatility, with key events this week, including the 75 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: National People's Congress meeting in China and a speech by 76 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: President Trump to a joint session of Congress later today. 77 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 3: President Trump has ordered a pause to all US military 78 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 3: aid to Ukraine. A senior defense official told Bloomberg that 79 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 3: America is now holding back equipment until Trump decides Ukraine's president, 80 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 3: Vladomi Zelinski, is committed to peace. At a press conference, 81 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 3: Trump was asked about his disastrous meeting with Ukraine's leader 82 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 3: last week. 83 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 4: He said he thinks there was going to go on 84 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 4: for a long time, and he'd better not be right 85 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 4: about that. That's all I'm saying. 86 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 3: Trump's order applies to all American military equipment not currently 87 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 3: in Ukraine, including weapons in transit across Europe. Allied officials 88 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: have said that supplies of weapons are likely to last 89 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 3: only until the summer. Meanwhile, Bloomberg has learned that European 90 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 3: leaders believe Trump is trying to mount pressure on Zelinsky 91 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: to apologize and to sign the minerals Agreement. The UK 92 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: and France are privately urging Zelensky to repair relations with Trump, 93 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 3: with one source saying Ukraine's leader may need to grovel 94 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: because a simple apology to the US may not suffice. 95 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: Speaking to his parliament, UK Prime Minister Kirstamer said the 96 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: UK and US will lead from the front. 97 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: Our two nations will work together on security arrangements for 98 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: a lasting piece in Ukraine. I also welcome the President's 99 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: continued commitment to that piece, which nobody in this House 100 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: should doubt for a second is sincere. 101 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 3: K leader also reassured parliamentarians that the US wouldn't be 102 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: withdrawing military support for Ukraine. With America then doing so 103 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: hours after he spoke. Defense related stocks rallied across the 104 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 3: Asia Pacific region, with analysts saying that regional companies may 105 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: benefit from increased demand from Europe. Those are a few 106 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: of our top stories for you this morning. Let's look 107 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: at the markets now, so it does look to be 108 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: some pause, some suspension really, even though it does seem 109 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 3: that maybe the global trade war has begun. US ecuity 110 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 3: futures are actually up right now. We did have a 111 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 3: sell off for the S and P five hundred yesterday, 112 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 3: The SMP emais are up by two tenths of one percent. 113 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,119 Speaker 3: Yesterday the S and P five hundred posted its worst 114 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: drop of twenty twenty five, falling by one point eight percent. 115 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 3: This as we have seen Asian equity markets also down, 116 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: but not significantly moving lower despite the retaliation that we 117 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: have heard from China. The Shanghai and Shenzens are both 118 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 3: in the green. The SX two hundred and Australia's down 119 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: six tenths, the NICK dropping one point three percent, the 120 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 3: MASCI Asia Pacific Index down three tenths of one percent. 121 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: And then looking at the bond markets again as once 122 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: the tariffs were actually implemented, there wasn't another big move 123 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: in markets. Tenue US yields trading at four point fifteen, 124 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: so actually barely moving right now. The Euro and sterling 125 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: both end of the day up yesterday. This morning, the 126 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: Bloomberg Dollar Spot index is actually flat. So those are 127 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: the markets now. In a moment, we're going to bring 128 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: you the latest around China imposing tariffs on the US 129 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: after that barrage of tariffs that came into force only 130 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 3: a few minutes ago, really from a President Donald Trump. 131 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: But before we get to that conversation, something else caught 132 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: my eye this morning. Input eras a near miss is 133 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: at City Group are becoming a little bit more common. 134 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: City Group almost transferred six billion dollars to a customer's 135 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: account by accident. This was to a staff member's era. 136 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: They copied and pasted the account number into the field 137 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 3: for the dollar figure. Todd Gillespie at Bloomberger has been 138 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: writing about this this morning, a City Group saying that 139 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: it did promptly identify and corrected this inputting error, which 140 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 3: had no impact to the bank or our client. According 141 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 3: to Citygroup, this happened in April, the same month that 142 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: another part of the bank accidentally credited eighty one trillion 143 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: dollars to a different client. So the firm now having 144 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: says it has set up a company wide tool to 145 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: help vet these large, anomalous payments and transfers, according to 146 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 3: people familiar with the matter, but even Matt Levine, our 147 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: opinion colomist, was writing about this yesterday. Bank eraror in 148 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 3: your favor does look like a city group, you know, 149 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: still trying to battle fat fingers input errors. Anyway, it's 150 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: a story that I read this morning and would recommend. 151 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: Has imposed tarifs of up to fifteen percent on US goods, 152 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: including soybeans and chicken, after the US double tariffs on 153 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: Chinese imports in a barrage of measures from President Trump. 154 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 3: The US rolled out tariffs are twenty five percent on 155 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 3: nearly all imports from Canada and Mexico, with Canada responding. 156 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Markets Life stashist Mark Cranfield joins me now to 157 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 3: discuss Mark good morning instant reaction from Beijing, then to 158 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: Trump tariffs. What do you make of the barrage of 159 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 3: US tariffs and countermeasures? 160 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 7: So, whether it's the tariffs that Donald Trump has imposed 161 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 7: upon China, Canada, and Mexico and the reciprocation from Canada 162 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 7: and China in return. Nothing really is out of line 163 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 7: with what we've been hearing for the past few days anyway, 164 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 7: which is partly explains why we have a fairly reach 165 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 7: subdued response in markets. Possibly, trade ers are waiting for 166 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 7: Donald Trump to address both Houses of Congress on Tuesday 167 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 7: morning in America. That's when they may get to hear 168 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 7: whether he wants to double down on this, whether he 169 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 7: wants to really push the trade war further. So far, 170 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 7: it's a bit of a tit for tat, but not 171 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 7: really any much different to what investors had been expecting. 172 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 7: So really they probably want to hear a bit more detail, 173 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 7: particularly how Donald Trump is responding to the Chinese side. 174 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 7: He did say he expected some form of agricultural tariffs 175 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 7: from China. Let's see how he responds now that China 176 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 7: have actually done that. 177 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: Okay, So I suppose do you think that markets underestimated 178 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 3: the possibility then of just this amount of trade protectionism, 179 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 3: because we also don't expect it to end. There are 180 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: you know, at least sort of three or four other 181 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 3: possible measures coming out of the US in the coming weeks. 182 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 3: On country by country tariffs and sector based tariffs too. 183 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 7: I think to an extent investors that have been a 184 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 7: little bit complacent on what was coming down the line. 185 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 7: But more significantly where they've really been caught out is 186 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 7: what's happening to the US economy. Already we're beginning to 187 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 7: see signs of cracks. But if you saw consumer confidence 188 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 7: numbers of crashing, other data is already suggesting that what 189 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 7: the US government is doing under this administration is already 190 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 7: starting to hurt confidence in the US economy regardless of 191 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 7: what happens with the tariffs. And what we see now 192 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 7: is that traders are pricing in for three interest rate 193 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 7: cuts on the Federal Reserve this year. It was only 194 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 7: pretty recently they were pricing for just one cut. So 195 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 7: a significant change in investors outlook towards the US economy, 196 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 7: which is being reflected in US markets. That's on top 197 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 7: of anything related to terrorists, and that's a more immediate 198 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 7: problem for investors. So that's really what's driving things in 199 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 7: the very short term. Of course, if this becomes into 200 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 7: a real tip for tat where America introduces more terrorists, 201 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 7: other countries respond with more of their own, things can 202 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 7: certainly spireal, but for now it's the weak US economic 203 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 7: data and the effect it's having on the federal reserve. 204 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 7: That's what's really worrying investors. 205 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 3: Okay, Mark, thank you so much for being with me 206 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: this morning. Put in Beggs Markets Live stash Is Mark Cranfield, 207 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time on those tariffs. Well, 208 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 3: now to Ukraine, because President Donald Trump ordered also a 209 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: pause on all military aid to Ukraine, putting pressure on Vlodomisolinsky. 210 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 3: A senior Defense Department official says that military assistants will 211 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 3: be paused until Trump determines Ukraine's leader has demonstrated a 212 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 3: good faith commitment to peace joining US. Now. Bloomberg's TV 213 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 3: correspondent Oliver Quick, good morning. How big a setback is 214 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 3: this for Zelensky and for Ukraine? 215 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, listen, given what we saw on Friday, 216 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 6: in the kind of fallout that we saw after that 217 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 6: disastrous press conference interaction on Friday between Zelenski, Vans and Trump, 218 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 6: you know, it's not totally unexpected. But again, this is 219 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 6: going to be one of the major step This is 220 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 6: we all know, and Zelenski has said it many times 221 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 6: in the past that basically he is completely dependent on 222 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 6: the United States in order to continue his battle against 223 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,359 Speaker 6: Russia in order to have any sort of lasting ceasefire 224 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 6: with the Russia. So in the absence of this military aid, 225 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 6: and now it has we understand again according to people 226 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 6: familiar that it has been pause. That means that all 227 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 6: military gear that is on its way to Ukraine on planes, 228 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 6: that is waiting for a deposit within Poland, all of 229 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 6: that is going to be paused. And there's also a 230 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 6: large sort of quantity of funding that was already sort 231 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 6: of inherited by Trump from Biden about four billion dollars, 232 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 6: that too is going to be paused. And again we're 233 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 6: expecting to get more actual details from this from Donald 234 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 6: Trump today in a speech that'll be I think at 235 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 6: around one am UK time. But again this is you know, 236 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 6: the Europeans could still buy some of this kit from 237 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 6: the United States to send over to Ukraine. But if 238 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 6: the United States decides to really turn the screws, they 239 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 6: can put a halt on selling this equipment. They could 240 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 6: put a halt on some of the operational requirements in 241 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 6: order to actually be able to enlist us in the field. 242 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 6: And again this is all sort of part of the 243 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 6: sort of broader dynamic that we've been seeing where it's 244 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 6: going to be very hard to make any progress if Ukraine, Europe, 245 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 6: and the United States cannot inhabit a common reality about 246 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 6: what is going on in Ukraine, Russia as aggressor Ukraine's victim. 247 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 3: What does this mean then for Europe, the UK and 248 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 3: France trying to take the lead here. 249 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, so listen, they're trying their diplomatic efforts. I think 250 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 6: they sort of would try as much as they could, 251 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 6: and they sort of had some success, it seemed, in 252 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 6: charming Donald Trump. But at the end of the day, 253 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 6: you know, it's what's signed on the dotted line. It's 254 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 6: all the dollars and cents for Donald Trump. And the 255 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 6: question is, you know, what leverage do they have right 256 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 6: now at all? So they're sort of drawing up different proposals. 257 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 6: It was a story out in the FT overnight saying 258 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 6: that basically they'd be looking at basically taking the Russian 259 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 6: frozen assets potentially is using that as a guarantee in 260 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 6: case a ceasefire is broken. And again, what they're trying 261 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 6: to do now is get in place an architecture to 262 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 6: potentially get a ceasefire proposal, to put that to Trump 263 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 6: and Zelensky in order to just sort of pause things 264 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 6: which would give Trump a win in order to negotiate 265 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 6: that longer standing kind of ceasefire and end to the war, 266 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 6: the just piece that Zelenski is looking for. But again 267 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 6: this comes back to this fundamental issue. If you do 268 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 6: not have this sort of common reality where you know, 269 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 6: Trump and Europe can get on the same page about 270 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 6: who is sort of at fault here, it's going to 271 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 6: be very difficult to make a sort of final agreement 272 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 6: where everybody is happy. And of course this says nothing 273 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 6: of the fact of the sort of bigger question for Europe, 274 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 6: which is how strong are NATO security guarantees for Europe 275 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 6: More broadly. 276 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also prompting and rethink in other parts of 277 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 3: the world, namely Taiwan. 278 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, and it was sort of very interesting we heard 279 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 6: from the Taiwanese Defence Minister and this is a direct 280 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 6: quote saying we have deeply recognized that one cannot discuss 281 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 6: values without also addressing national interest, right. And we say 282 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 6: this with Trump giving a press conference yesterday with the 283 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 6: TSMC CEO. TSMC has just said that they'll build a 284 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 6: plant or commit one hundred billion dollars worth of investment 285 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 6: into the United States. So from Taiwan's perspective, maybe that 286 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 6: buys you something. But the question with Trump now always 287 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 6: is what does it buy you and for how long? 288 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 6: And this is the new foreign policy of the United States. 289 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 6: We see this with tariffs. Whenever you put the sort 290 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 6: of tariffs up, if Canada or Mexico complies, their main 291 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 6: question is going to be, Okay, what happens in two 292 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 6: months and three months? What if they want to extract 293 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 6: something more from it? 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