Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you? Why and look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that nulture? Yes? Goodness Dan? And how is she?
Speaker 1: She's good? I guess it's Bruce Ki o' clock. I'm
Speaker 1: clutching my Dale's Pale Ale in one hand, and I
Speaker 1: love Dales for you. I am drinking an allusion night
Speaker 1: Owl pumpkin ale, which is sort of crazy for you
Speaker 1: know the month of April. Can I ask you how
Speaker 1: long that's been sitting in your fridge? Going on months now? Bo,
Speaker 1: You're never gonna believe this, but actually a crude about
Speaker 1: forty pumpkins? Do you remember this? I said on this
Speaker 1: podcast you can't get a good pumpkin beer in l A.
Speaker 1: And the readers you came through you were sending me
Speaker 1: a fleet, a true fleet of pumpkin beer, as they
Speaker 1: are still in my fridge, and I'm making a dent
Speaker 1: in its way. Oh my goodness. I really I'm not
Speaker 1: you know me, I'm not always a beer guy, really no,
Speaker 1: but I feel like there's something so commanding in our
Speaker 1: guests presence where she just she held up the most
Speaker 1: beautiful tall glasses beer I've ever seen in my life,
Speaker 1: one of the tallest classes in America. We should say
Speaker 1: that was one of the tallest classes in the country.
Speaker 1: It was one of the tallest classes I've seen in
Speaker 1: this great country of ours. And I have to say,
Speaker 1: I I thought maybe for a second we were drinking
Speaker 1: just some sort of like thick prosecco, and then it
Speaker 1: was it was revealed to be a beer. And so
Speaker 1: we're all celebrating with some Bruskie's right now. We are.
Speaker 1: She's off the clock from her her quote unquote day job,
Speaker 1: and she's relaxing with us. I mean, aren't you so
Speaker 1: thrilled that our guest is here? This is beyond This
Speaker 1: is how I know, Bo that the podcast has um
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote made it. And you know, though,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that the podcast has received critical acclaim
Speaker 1: and been cited in academic work for our insight into
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry, I do have to say that this
Speaker 1: maybe the highest accomplishment thus far is securing the guests.
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. Um. We are such fans of hers.
Speaker 1: We both loved it, the memoir. We're holding in her
Speaker 1: hands right now. Podcasts are famously not a visual medium.
Speaker 1: If they were, you would see that we are holding
Speaker 1: the guests like just incredible book Love Me As I Am,
Speaker 1: which was out on Don't Wait till the thirteenth time.
Speaker 1: If you're out there waiting, it's not a good idea
Speaker 1: because you can go on the twelve and get the
Speaker 1: pre orders in why don't you? I mean you were
Speaker 1: saying earlier about how you ran to our guest at
Speaker 1: some sort of fancy event, and just watching you guys
Speaker 1: sort of discuss fancy pre awards events, I was just like,
Speaker 1: so much to learn before is what they're called in
Speaker 1: the biz. I've had the pleasure of meeting her already
Speaker 1: with her producing partner, Lisa glam Oh my god, Lisa
Speaker 1: was wonderful. Lisa L. Wilson, Bobby Wilson Productions. Let's just
Speaker 1: let can we quickly just do a little little run
Speaker 1: through of the credits for our guests, And it's like
Speaker 1: so fruitless because the the the credit list is so stacked.
Speaker 1: But let's just go ahead and say you, if you're
Speaker 1: a listener a reader rather of this podcast, you certainly
Speaker 1: know our guests from the real house lives of Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: And when we say day job, we do mean the
Speaker 1: real which to my I and I do have sort
Speaker 1: of a home and is the best panel show on television. Yes,
Speaker 1: we should establish for our guests that Matt has has
Speaker 1: an incredibly wide or diverse palette in terms of daytime television,
Speaker 1: and for Matt to really love the real in a
Speaker 1: superlative way. The super it's just it's just superlative after
Speaker 1: superlative with our guests, the best, the best daytime talk show,
Speaker 1: Jamie Foxx show The House Down Coming to America. Yes,
Speaker 1: that is a two. And of course it's original coming
Speaker 1: to America. I mean, we're talking about NYPD Blue, We're
Speaker 1: talking about I mean, just this is this is an
Speaker 1: iconic day Wait, she's in one of my favorite, one
Speaker 1: of the most iconic episodes of Curb your Enthusias as him.
Speaker 1: There you go, also part of one of the best
Speaker 1: twists in Marvel history. Oh my god, you're so right.
Speaker 1: It's not sleep on it all right, we can't. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. This actor is in the m C you
Speaker 1: you know, she's she's she she was, she was in
Speaker 1: the blip. I think she survived the blip. We actually
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wonder if she knows if she
Speaker 1: survived the blip or even knows about the blip. We're
Speaker 1: gonna find out. She's shaking head. We're gonna find out,
Speaker 1: but we're so excited she's here. The book is love
Speaker 1: me as I am out. April twelve, please welcome into
Speaker 1: your ears. First of all, I could listen to you
Speaker 1: guys all damn day. No, it's this is a trialogue.
Speaker 1: You're in this now. It was so funny both of you.
Speaker 1: Do you know what the blip is? No? I don't
Speaker 1: know what the blip is. Okay, so Fano's kind of
Speaker 1: the big batty in in the Avengers movies, snaps his
Speaker 1: fingers after he gets the Infinity. Gaunt wipes out half
Speaker 1: of life basically, so half of the world. It just
Speaker 1: disappears into dust as it were, and you know, for
Speaker 1: about three to five years. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: exact timeframe is. You know, the people of Earth are
Speaker 1: sort of traumatized by this crazy event, and some people
Speaker 1: survived and some people did but then in the end
Speaker 1: things are all things are all good, and people come
Speaker 1: back to life. Oh well, I hope I'm not in
Speaker 1: the blip. I mean, I think what we think about
Speaker 1: Doris Tombs is, which is the kel of course, the
Speaker 1: character's name. Um, she may have perished in the Snap
Speaker 1: and come back in the Blip. But so but who's
Speaker 1: to say, really, who's to say why? I have to
Speaker 1: tell you guys. When I got the offer for this job.
Speaker 1: First of all, I was like playing on the floor
Speaker 1: with my kids. My manager calls, as you know, you
Speaker 1: know that world and he calls and he goes, you
Speaker 1: got a movie offer, And I was like great, and
Speaker 1: he goes, but I don't know anything about it and
Speaker 1: I can't owe you anything about it, and it's a
Speaker 1: secret project. And I thought, what are you high like that?
Speaker 1: And then he goes, it's Marvel and I said, hang
Speaker 1: up the phone and go them right back. Yes, And
Speaker 1: it was a great part. I mean, like it really
Speaker 1: like there's that scene. So for those who don't know
Speaker 1: at home, you find out that Doris Tombs, the character
Speaker 1: played by Garcel, is not just the mother of Peter
Speaker 1: Parker's love interest in the film, but the wife of
Speaker 1: the villain Michael Keaton himself. How about that. First of all,
Speaker 1: Michael Keaton is my favorite Batman down So when I
Speaker 1: flew to Atlanta we shot there, Um, I didn't even
Speaker 1: know my part. And the first day I'm in the
Speaker 1: Michael Keaton comes up and he gives me this big
Speaker 1: hug and he goes, I did good picking a wife,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, Batman a man,
Speaker 1: Crazy Michael. I feel like that is such a perfect
Speaker 1: like vibe sort of encapsulation on your career. It's like
Speaker 1: people want to work with you crazy. I'm just a
Speaker 1: little girl from Haiti. I could have been selling coconuts,
Speaker 1: but you listed in the book like towards the end,
Speaker 1: like I got to I get to work with all
Speaker 1: these amazing actors in this wide breadth of projects, and
Speaker 1: it really is like it hit me by the end,
Speaker 1: not that this is a new information to me, but
Speaker 1: I go, wow, she really has had this incredible career
Speaker 1: light It's like j Lo when she won her Icon Awards.
Speaker 1: I'm just getting started at it. Yes, No, it really
Speaker 1: feels like this is like I mean, we've been fans
Speaker 1: for a very long time. Like I always remember you,
Speaker 1: even way back from the nineties because I used to
Speaker 1: watch the Jamie Bucks Show. Would sometimes would You've always
Speaker 1: just had such an incredible like magnetic screen presence, and
Speaker 1: I always remember seeing you on red carpets and everything.
Speaker 1: And then to be honest, like a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago when they said that you were joining Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills, that kind of felt like a left
Speaker 1: field thing for me. But now and watching it and
Speaker 1: watching you, especially on the second season, UM really find
Speaker 1: your way. You are a great housewife, and I feel
Speaker 1: like it's like it's like I still can't believe I
Speaker 1: am When people go you're a house off, I go,
Speaker 1: what you really? I panicked though the week before um
Speaker 1: they were gonna start airing, you know, my season. Um,
Speaker 1: I was at home and Bravo was sort of doing
Speaker 1: a recap of the past season and I literally freaked
Speaker 1: out and called my girlfriend and go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It's incredible. Was it this moment where
Speaker 1: you were like you you you saw you had the
Speaker 1: foresight in that moment to be like, oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be on this show and I'm gonna be in these
Speaker 1: little clip super cuts going forward. Now. Yeah, definitely. I mean,
Speaker 1: like wow, And I've said this before, like you know,
Speaker 1: like you guys are saying about my career on some
Speaker 1: incredible things here and there. I've worked with some incredible
Speaker 1: people here and there. I have never gotten more attention
Speaker 1: than when the announcement of Housewives came out. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you wrote about in the book to where you
Speaker 1: were like, you know you, you know, you got the
Speaker 1: offer and it was this calculated risk for you to
Speaker 1: be like do I want to do this? What what
Speaker 1: do I gain from this? Uh? And I think you
Speaker 1: said that you gained like this platform being given to
Speaker 1: you and then you took that that that that's the
Speaker 1: thing that you took very seriously. And I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like you're saying this is kind of hopefully
Speaker 1: proves out that like this was a worthwhile thing for
Speaker 1: you that like now, like for you to say that,
Speaker 1: like this is the thing that people know you in
Speaker 1: right now is is a huge deal. Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: a huge deal. I mean, you know, the fans are
Speaker 1: just so invested in in all the franchises, but I
Speaker 1: feel like Beverly Hills is like the mother ship, right
Speaker 1: and it's unbelievable how people want to know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Where are you doing it? Well, I've done interview is
Speaker 1: where people go the vase in the background is different
Speaker 1: now and I'm like, oh my gosh, they wanted the
Speaker 1: backstory on the vase. The drama as a short aquarium
Speaker 1: and I had to read and Kyle and so they're
Speaker 1: both gone. Now they're gone. You know. That's what happens
Speaker 1: with fish, Kyle and both Dad. It's the season. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like friendships on Housewives. They come and go,
Speaker 1: they change. Um. But yeah, I was thinking and reading
Speaker 1: the book and just and watching you as much as
Speaker 1: we've watched you now, like that does have to be,
Speaker 1: you know, for because I always think when someone has
Speaker 1: a successful acting career and then they go on Housewives,
Speaker 1: like it is a risk because you know, it's sort
Speaker 1: of opening up people to then make of that like
Speaker 1: a judgment on you as a person. And I guess
Speaker 1: nowadays everything kind of blends in a little bit more
Speaker 1: like we see people and they roles. And I guess
Speaker 1: maybe because it's social media, because the media is so
Speaker 1: sensitive now, it seems to matter less. But you have
Speaker 1: been doing this for a very long time, So that
Speaker 1: also had to be a consideration, like do I want
Speaker 1: to be a reality star? Right? Totally? I mean when
Speaker 1: my you know, my team called and they said, you know,
Speaker 1: they're interested in you for Beverly Hills, They're like, we're
Speaker 1: gonna pass. But since you know, so many people. We
Speaker 1: just want to let you know and you want it,
Speaker 1: and they were like no, and I'm like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: let me sleep on it. And you know, I've always
Speaker 1: done things sort of like outside the box in terms
Speaker 1: of like I've written children's books, I've you know, done
Speaker 1: television hosting for other other shows. So I've always done
Speaker 1: other things. So that for me, I just had to
Speaker 1: really sit with it. And I didn't want to travel
Speaker 1: so much as an actor. So many things are not
Speaker 1: shot in l A. And I felt like I was
Speaker 1: always away and I have my kids half the time,
Speaker 1: and they were about to go to middle school, and
Speaker 1: I thought, sex, drugs and rock and roll is knocking
Speaker 1: at our door, and I want to be home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: about the sex drugs and the rock and rolls. So
Speaker 1: when I called them back and I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I want to do it. And I always feel like
Speaker 1: I always say yes to a meeting because you never know,
Speaker 1: even if it's not for that project, but at least
Speaker 1: you get to meet new people and who knows, right,
Speaker 1: So I was like, let's try it, let's go for it.
Speaker 1: And then I obviously had to talk to my ex
Speaker 1: and my kids and my son Jack's goes, are we
Speaker 1: getting paid? I'm only in it for the money. I
Speaker 1: was like, no, you're not getting paid, but I'll hook
Speaker 1: you up. There you go. He gets something like some
Speaker 1: bump in his allowance. You know what. We forgot to
Speaker 1: mention the podcast going to public carcel, which which and
Speaker 1: this is another thing about the book which I love
Speaker 1: is the words getting my back blown out book. So
Speaker 1: if you think that we are not keeping it absolutely
Speaker 1: you say you keep it real in the very first
Speaker 1: opening lines of the book. And you do that. And
Speaker 1: then I love that you have a podcast which is
Speaker 1: like fully focus kind of on that topic because you
Speaker 1: talked about how it took you a very long time
Speaker 1: to sort of get to know yourself like that for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure. Listen, I grew up in a in a
Speaker 1: Haitian household, which is very strict. We don't talk about sex,
Speaker 1: We don't talk about anything really uh that's deep or
Speaker 1: you know, controversial. So when I started to you know,
Speaker 1: find myself, realize you know who I am and what
Speaker 1: I like, what I don't like. Um, I realized, you know,
Speaker 1: it's liberating for women now to talk about sex and
Speaker 1: own it. And you know, you have songs like whopping
Speaker 1: and you know, women are coming into their own yes.
Speaker 1: And I also remember it was like I think it
Speaker 1: was on House Lives. It was your first lunch with
Speaker 1: Erica Jane, and I remember you asked her house and
Speaker 1: even she Erica Jane, like how to take a second
Speaker 1: to like she was chewing? She was? She was she
Speaker 1: was chewing food. I think chowing, but you know she was.
Speaker 1: She was caught off her car um And I was
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, but that is the question we all
Speaker 1: want to know the answer to. It's the one we
Speaker 1: haven't asked. Come on, he was eighty something right, yeah
Speaker 1: at the time, and yeah, I mean she's a hot,
Speaker 1: hot girl. You I was dying to know, like what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Are you, you know, servicing and put
Speaker 1: tucking them in and then doing your own things? Like
Speaker 1: are you servicing and talking him in? Honestly? What where
Speaker 1: where are we at on the on the scale here?
Speaker 1: We really don't know, but I guess that that must
Speaker 1: have taken time to build to that level of candor
Speaker 1: where you kind of just just concentrated. Ask someone with
Speaker 1: a camera rolling, how often do you have I mean
Speaker 1: like like like I feel like that because I because
Speaker 1: I related as a child of immigrants as an immigrant myself. Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't. We never talked about sex growing
Speaker 1: up in the house either. We still don't really and
Speaker 1: I think I'm still like unlearning a lot of that.
Speaker 1: And I hope to one day ask someone if they
Speaker 1: have us up with their eighty year old spouse. I
Speaker 1: think you're there. Yeah, you know, we relate on that
Speaker 1: for sure. Um. I remember when I moved to New
Speaker 1: York at seventeen and I came home to visit my
Speaker 1: mom and she saw birth control pills in my purse
Speaker 1: and she said, you've had contact. And then she had
Speaker 1: you know, we were spiritual aliens, like you've had contact,
Speaker 1: and that was the extent of it. And and that's it,
Speaker 1: and and that's all. That's all Kiki said that that
Speaker 1: was that was it really, I mean, we never really
Speaker 1: talked about it. So for me, I mean, once I
Speaker 1: went to New York, I sort of like you know
Speaker 1: she when I say in the book, she gave me
Speaker 1: the wings to fly. That was my chance to go
Speaker 1: find who I am, or at least try to figure
Speaker 1: out who I was, and you know, what I liked
Speaker 1: and what I didn't like and who you know, just
Speaker 1: who I became. But it was definitely a process. You know,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have asked anybody at seventeen, how's your sex life? Sure? Well,
Speaker 1: I feel like you are very honest with yourself in
Speaker 1: this book. And I feel like I wonder how you
Speaker 1: had to how much you would a catalog, the intimate
Speaker 1: connections you would have with people. Speaking of the podcast,
Speaker 1: you did right in the book how you and Jamie
Speaker 1: you had Jamie on, Yeah, and you guys kind of
Speaker 1: both waxed nostalgic about your time on the show, and
Speaker 1: you you did mention in the book and this is
Speaker 1: just this is just me quoting the book that there
Speaker 1: were some like fireworks crap, like just popping backstage behind
Speaker 1: a steamy kiss, me kiss. I mean we got to
Speaker 1: kiss as a character, which was always great, and Jamie
Speaker 1: would always go, how many takes do we have time
Speaker 1: to do? I just want to perfect my craft. Kiss
Speaker 1: that one seamy kiss was backstage and it wasn't character based,
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, I mean he's a great kisser. He's uh,
Speaker 1: he's just a great guy. And uh but I knew
Speaker 1: you don't blank where you eat. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: like god forbid, something happened on episode six, you know,
Speaker 1: not having a good time at work, right, you know,
Speaker 1: And not to bring Matt and E's experience into this,
Speaker 1: but I think we are. We're starting to learn that.
Speaker 1: It's like literally, I like, I like reach from my
Speaker 1: notebook to write that down. I'm like, it's so funny.
Speaker 1: I have this notebook here because I've been mainlining the
Speaker 1: new Brunet Brown and I'm like taking notes like like
Speaker 1: like I'm like literal show the Atlas of your heart
Speaker 1: or whatever, and so like it's really good and honestly,
Speaker 1: and you'll be proud of me. Tomorrow I have my
Speaker 1: and maybe you will too garselves. Tomorrow I have my
Speaker 1: very first therapy appointment ever. I'm finally amazing and um
Speaker 1: and so like I'm just very interested now because I
Speaker 1: just finished the job and I have some time, like
Speaker 1: you know, just like you know, getting to know and
Speaker 1: just the way she breaks down emotion and everything. So
Speaker 1: from that, you're gonna be You're gonna become an amazing
Speaker 1: person now that you're not. But we can always improve,
Speaker 1: we can always grow working even like she she like
Speaker 1: she broke down emotions. She said, emotion is biology biography,
Speaker 1: behavior and backstory. And I just think even as an actor,
Speaker 1: that helps you know, it's such an interesting the four
Speaker 1: bees that tool. But I reached down to to fake
Speaker 1: write down that advice to myself from you, and I saw,
Speaker 1: don't blink where you blink, don't blink where you eat.
Speaker 1: But you know, bone and I could learn that better.
Speaker 1: That's that should have been one of my gems. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: the gems you have? Do you have the gems in
Speaker 1: the in the in the back of the book, these beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful like encapsulations of like you know, all your sort
Speaker 1: of principles, I guess is for lack of a better word, um, okay,
Speaker 1: So I know you guys got the pre company. You
Speaker 1: have to get the actual book because the pictures in
Speaker 1: there are amazing. I do want to see pictures. Tell
Speaker 1: us them. What are the pictures of telling Oh, my God,
Speaker 1: of everything, of me as a kid, me with Tom Ford,
Speaker 1: me with Jamie Fox, I mean, Michael Joe Orton. There's
Speaker 1: a few people in there. Okay. I loved the Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan story. So Garcella tells a great story about basically
Speaker 1: how Michael Jordan was fully marking up her tree back
Speaker 1: in the day and you didn't know who he was.
Speaker 1: I didn't know who he was. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: I had. I went on to go see at Essence
Speaker 1: Magazine and uh, you know, I got hired for the job.
Speaker 1: I was going for a fitting and they said tomorrow
Speaker 1: you're working with Michael Jordan's and the way they said it,
Speaker 1: I knew it was somebody that was important, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know who it was. It was no Google, there
Speaker 1: was nothing. So I'm so excited cool, no idea who
Speaker 1: he was, and with that named Michael Jordan, it could
Speaker 1: have been anyone in America. The next day he was.
Speaker 1: He was just a tall guy to you, like a
Speaker 1: tall chocolate man. He couldn't have been nicer. And the
Speaker 1: way everybody was spawning. And so after the shoot, I
Speaker 1: old home and my brother was like, are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that is truly unreal. He was great.
Speaker 1: So I have a question. I think it was your
Speaker 1: first season was when you um went out to lunch
Speaker 1: with Sharai Zampino and all of y'all's friends and now
Speaker 1: say is on the show, so and you mentioned that
Speaker 1: you dated Will Smith, Like was that before Chay or
Speaker 1: Like what was what was the deal with that? Um?
Speaker 1: I think actually we talked about this the other day.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. It was after her marriage. They were
Speaker 1: divorced and he was doing Fresh Friends and I did
Speaker 1: like four episodes of Fresh Friends and like that was
Speaker 1: two different characters. It was the weirdest thing. You played
Speaker 1: two different characters. Yeah, and bring back to bring her back?
Speaker 1: And uh so yeah, so you know, I mean I
Speaker 1: was an entnoe. He was single and and you know
Speaker 1: TV star. So we went out a couple of times.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the long lasting UM relationship. But I remember
Speaker 1: one day calling him and he was in the car
Speaker 1: and his son was Shari were he was in the back.
Speaker 1: So he picked up on you know, in the car
Speaker 1: and bluetooth or whatever it was back in the day
Speaker 1: or speaker phone and uh and he said, hey, how
Speaker 1: are you doing? And I said I'm great. And I
Speaker 1: heard this little voice in the background go is that
Speaker 1: miss Jadah? And I was like, okay, I'm not the
Speaker 1: only one exit stage left. Unbelievable. You be like, girl,
Speaker 1: it is not about you. You better get out of there.
Speaker 1: It's still could have been about you. Blaz If a
Speaker 1: kid knows that somebody, then that person is a little
Speaker 1: bit more portant, right, But you're not gonna like fight
Speaker 1: for that spot because it wasn't like that. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. It was cash. It
Speaker 1: was cash. This is something pretty historic about you ourselves
Speaker 1: for there to be two actors playing one role in
Speaker 1: Aunt Viv. You might be one of the only people
Speaker 1: in the Fresh Prince universe to be the same actor
Speaker 1: playing multiple parts. I know, that was so crazy. I
Speaker 1: came in as when he went to school, when he
Speaker 1: got to the private school. Um, and then I came
Speaker 1: back as a different character in the apartment when they
Speaker 1: had that big guy come in and we had to
Speaker 1: hide them. I mean, it was crazy. It was Shenanigans.
Speaker 1: But it was such a cool show. Like you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't have a lot of shows that were for
Speaker 1: us in a way, right, And that's what made Jamie
Speaker 1: Fox Show so special was because it was one of
Speaker 1: those like the rules in the Crown of like black sitcoms. Totally,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's great. I mean there was another I
Speaker 1: think there's another story in the book about Eddie Murphy
Speaker 1: being like another like one that kind of got away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean but that but you really you re unite
Speaker 1: with these men like that. But that's what's so mature
Speaker 1: about this whole thing is and so beautiful and kind
Speaker 1: of speaks to your you know, your perspective over the
Speaker 1: years is that you can still like approach these people
Speaker 1: in this very professional way and that still has a
Speaker 1: lot of emotion and heart and memory associated to them.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. I mean, I think for me,
Speaker 1: my background in the way I was raised, has a
Speaker 1: lot to do with It's like my foundation. Right. So
Speaker 1: with Eddie, we worked you know, on Coming to America
Speaker 1: the Original and listen, there were so many beautiful women
Speaker 1: on that set. It was like we were all hired
Speaker 1: just with that right. I had gone up for the
Speaker 1: lead role, which I had no business doing. I knew
Speaker 1: nothing about acting, and so of course I didn't get
Speaker 1: that part. But John Landis, I remember, called my modeling agency.
Speaker 1: I didn't even have an agent, and he was like,
Speaker 1: if she wants to be in the business, this is
Speaker 1: a great way for her to see what it's like
Speaker 1: and be a part of it. And it was like
Speaker 1: a three month shoot and so um I decided to
Speaker 1: do it, and everybody was vying for him. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what, well, yeah, we had a really great
Speaker 1: chemistry and he was really cool and really he was
Speaker 1: such a gentleman. Yeah, even then when he was his
Speaker 1: star was rising, there was something about him that was
Speaker 1: still a gentleman and I like that. Yeah. Yeah, classic guy,
Speaker 1: really classic guy. And I barely sort of you know,
Speaker 1: crossed paths with him when he when he was hosting
Speaker 1: US an L a couple of years ago. But it
Speaker 1: was such like a I mean all of us like
Speaker 1: sat around being like we wouldn't be here without him.
Speaker 1: You know, he saved the show, you know, like it
Speaker 1: would have just ended after you know, five ten seasons
Speaker 1: or whatever. It was great to see him back on
Speaker 1: the stage, It really was. It was phenomenal to see yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And we talked a lot about all these roles that
Speaker 1: you've played, but you really do seem so comfortable being
Speaker 1: yourself on the reel. And then I didn't know that
Speaker 1: was one of your ambitions, like from way back, was
Speaker 1: to always wanted to be a talk show host and days,
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't know it was a talk show host,
Speaker 1: but I thought journalism, entertainment, you know, And um, I
Speaker 1: remember we had uh you know, like you know how
Speaker 1: you have in school, you have a channel at school,
Speaker 1: and you know, we'd get to go up and tell
Speaker 1: the news or whatever was happening. And I always wanted
Speaker 1: to do that. And so even before acting, and I
Speaker 1: remember my agents and you know, my people would always say,
Speaker 1: but you're doing so well, like why would you At
Speaker 1: that time, people weren't really diversifying. Yeah, you know, if
Speaker 1: you were an actor, you were strictly an actor. If
Speaker 1: you were a model, you were strictly that. And so
Speaker 1: I waited and waited, and then finally UM got the
Speaker 1: chance you tell a story about um spending a week
Speaker 1: at the View. Oh my god, I really couldn't because
Speaker 1: it's like you you do. I mean, everyone needs to
Speaker 1: get the book to especially like people that listen to
Speaker 1: this podcast, like love when we talked about like the
Speaker 1: Ladies who Punch However, you know, people want to receive that.
Speaker 1: But it's it is so fascinating, like the View is
Speaker 1: such a integral part of pop culture, and there is
Speaker 1: that fascination about what goes on behind the scenes because
Speaker 1: you know, you hear certain things and then when I
Speaker 1: would imagine that when you go there and you do
Speaker 1: sort of get at this in the book to you
Speaker 1: just think it can't possibly be the reality, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, I can actually be that, and then
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah. And what was really like the just
Speaker 1: the position of both is I was in Haiti when
Speaker 1: I got the call that they wanted me to come
Speaker 1: do a week. So here I am in a country that,
Speaker 1: you know, there's not a lot um and uh, and
Speaker 1: the women in Haiti are so prideful, whether you have
Speaker 1: a nickel or whether you have you know, more money.
Speaker 1: It's just like there's a sense of pride and ownership
Speaker 1: and faithful, you know, hopefulness. And so going from there,
Speaker 1: where you know there's there's a lot of lack, flying
Speaker 1: to New York where there's everything right, and I and
Speaker 1: and I go and I was just expecting, like come
Speaker 1: on in cars, We're so excited, and it was like
Speaker 1: who's here today? That was pretty much how it was.
Speaker 1: And in a way I get the sense of there
Speaker 1: was a lot of they weren't sure who was staying.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of different people in the chair.
Speaker 1: So I get that. But at the same time, for me,
Speaker 1: if someone comes into my home, I'm always welcoming. Of course,
Speaker 1: of course, absolutely, can we get specific about some of
Speaker 1: these interactions. So I mean, I I guess multiple women
Speaker 1: on the on on the panel, we're just sort of
Speaker 1: you know, terse for lack of a better word, and
Speaker 1: it feels it's it's really just I think my I
Speaker 1: think I was just pretty a gape when I was
Speaker 1: reading this, like, oh my gosh. But I guess it's
Speaker 1: no surprise that I'm like Matt who really is well
Speaker 1: versed in the View. And yeah, it was like, going on, well,
Speaker 1: did I ever so, did I ever tell you this
Speaker 1: is our first time meeting Carson? Did I ever tell
Speaker 1: you about the time? No? No, but you know what,
Speaker 1: Bone and I went to the View one time and
Speaker 1: we were in the audience just because actually it was
Speaker 1: because so I'm a huge Kelly Clarkson fan, and she was,
Speaker 1: she was a guest on the show. So I guess
Speaker 1: the producer on the show was like, we can get
Speaker 1: them tickets people that listen to this podcast. I've heard
Speaker 1: us tell the story. But now at the time, it's
Speaker 1: it's well, it's it's funny because it was the day
Speaker 1: that I got the call that I was hired to
Speaker 1: be a writer and and but it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a really tough day because Matt and I
Speaker 1: had both auditioned, had screen tested the same year they
Speaker 1: bought it. They brought us both in twice and that
Speaker 1: was the day we found out that they were offering
Speaker 1: Bowen a job and not me. So it was, it was,
Speaker 1: it was, It was a lot, and we were going through.
Speaker 1: It was an emotional day, but we won. The one
Speaker 1: thing that broke the tension between us and like really
Speaker 1: made us laugh was to do it. It was going
Speaker 1: to the view and they did this dance contest, like
Speaker 1: where all the women in the audience like did this
Speaker 1: goofy little dance and the crowd motivator was like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have um. The panelists are gonna say who won,
Speaker 1: and there well and she goes whoop, hold on the
Speaker 1: dance contest and will be just goes. I don't give
Speaker 1: a funk about this. It was both iconic and also
Speaker 1: filled in a lot about probably what the situation is there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was very informative. That one moment was very informatively.
Speaker 1: I mean we screamed laughing. That is hilarious and I'm
Speaker 1: sorry you didn't get it. Oh, it's okay. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: doing just fine. I know you are. Really is he
Speaker 1: really is? I know you are. This story, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sidebar a little bit. I used to I used to
Speaker 1: model with Cameron Diaz and Kevin Yeah in l A.
Speaker 1: I we used to model together and she's the greatest girl.
Speaker 1: And I remember we used to model with this other
Speaker 1: girl named Elizabeth and Elizabeth had an audition for what's
Speaker 1: the first movie? Camera? Yes, the mask? The mask maybe mask.
Speaker 1: So they were supposed to hang out and Elizabeth said
Speaker 1: to Cameron, come with me and then we'll hang out
Speaker 1: right after Wait, oh my god, I've heard this story. Yes,
Speaker 1: and the casting director goes, are you reading for this?
Speaker 1: And camera goes no, I'm just with her. They're like, no,
Speaker 1: you need to read with her, and then Cameron becomes
Speaker 1: a big star. Yeah, but you sort of had that
Speaker 1: same story too, where you were tagging along with a
Speaker 1: friend who was playing an extra who's doing background work. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and then that that sort of like gave you the bug. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that totally gave me the bug. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: an extra was, and he's like, at seventy five dollars
Speaker 1: a day, and I was like, count me in. That
Speaker 1: was big money and this was in Miami, and so
Speaker 1: I did. It was an orange juice commercial. And then
Speaker 1: on the second day I had the courage to go
Speaker 1: up to one of the principal actors and it was
Speaker 1: really pretty black girl, and I said, Hey, I want
Speaker 1: to do what you're doing, and she liked what he said.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck, And so I found out
Speaker 1: who her her age agency was, like Green Marie, and
Speaker 1: so I borrowed my mom's car. Driving to Fort Lauderdale,
Speaker 1: I stopped at a red light. I put my head
Speaker 1: out the window to check my makeup. I decided that
Speaker 1: I needed lip gloss. I'm in my personal looking for
Speaker 1: lip gloss. A hand comes in the car scares the
Speaker 1: ship out of me, and it's a card. It's the
Speaker 1: woman who was in the traffic like behind me, and
Speaker 1: she's like, you should be a model. And when I
Speaker 1: look at the card, it's the agency I was going
Speaker 1: to without an appointment. Unbelievable. Crazy, Yeah, that is a sign.
Speaker 1: That's one of those stories though, that like you don't
Speaker 1: really get any more in the business now. It's like
Speaker 1: people just discover people through like you know, social media,
Speaker 1: which is great, but there is there's something like so
Speaker 1: like legendary about something like that. I never I've known
Speaker 1: about the story like for me in the book and
Speaker 1: from senior interviews. But I still I just still like
Speaker 1: gives me a little like me and I lived it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so crazy. You can't make that up. It's so funny too,
Speaker 1: because like I remember when I was young and I
Speaker 1: would read stories about like you know, so and so
Speaker 1: was discovered on the street. I remember when I moved
Speaker 1: when I moved to New York at eighteen bone and
Speaker 1: I went to n y U and so we both
Speaker 1: moved to New York at eighteen very similar, very similar
Speaker 1: age to you. And it really is when you talk about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, New York City is like it's the most
Speaker 1: exciting city in the world, but when you first get there,
Speaker 1: it is so lonely and so crazy because everyone knows
Speaker 1: exactly where they're going and what they're doing. So I remember,
Speaker 1: like I said to myself, you know what, I should
Speaker 1: just do walk the streets because you could get discovered.
Speaker 1: So I would go out there and like it was
Speaker 1: like the first week of n y U and I
Speaker 1: would just go walk around like trying to look like
Speaker 1: I was somebody or going somewhere, and someone did stop
Speaker 1: me and they said, boone, have I ever told you this?
Speaker 1: Stop me? And sounds did I ever tell you this? No? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm walking on the street and someone did come
Speaker 1: up to me and was like, I'm not kidding you.
Speaker 1: They were like, have you ever thought of modeling? And
Speaker 1: I was like, literally in the back of my head,
Speaker 1: I was like, it's happening. I did it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: happening to me. I've been in New York for less
Speaker 1: than a week and I'm being asked to be a
Speaker 1: high fashion model. So I take the guy's card, and
Speaker 1: obviously it's one of those like scams which just like
Speaker 1: to get like little twink twinkie boys on roofs and
Speaker 1: take their shirts off. So I did. I did, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: like take some like creepy photos on a roof when
Speaker 1: I was eighteen, so not as glamorous as your story.
Speaker 1: But I also don't know where those photos are. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, we have to find those photos. Yeah, please,
Speaker 1: I don't really get my people on it. We all
Speaker 1: start somewhere. Absolutely have to say, Bowen, I was so
Speaker 1: excited to see you and I told you this one,
Speaker 1: you know, the night before party. The iceberg is the
Speaker 1: funniest thing I have seen. Thank you. Mean, I was like,
Speaker 1: who is this guy? Over and over again? So sweet?
Speaker 1: And I will say I was there with Adie Bryant
Speaker 1: and Vanessa Bear, Matt's co star in this upcoming showtime show.
Speaker 1: But the three of us were kind of like walking around,
Speaker 1: kind of like rolling our eyes, going on whatever. There
Speaker 1: by the way, there really were and but I just
Speaker 1: want to say that the three of us were the
Speaker 1: most excited and star struck to see you. At least
Speaker 1: at least there was no wonderful Oh. We were so excited,
Speaker 1: we like stopped, we were like telling you, were like,
Speaker 1: we're so on your side and all of the different conflicts.
Speaker 1: It was the hashtag team Garcel. I mean it was
Speaker 1: it was. I really remember they all texted me after
Speaker 1: that because and I'm telling you, like on the set
Speaker 1: of my new show, which I'm on a show with
Speaker 1: Molly Shannon and Vanessa Bayer, well yeah number one and
Speaker 1: wait till you wait until you see her in this um.
Speaker 1: But like so they all jam about housewives all the
Speaker 1: time and everyone is team Garcel. Obviously, how could you
Speaker 1: not be. But before we ask about the culture that
Speaker 1: made you say culture was for you, I did just
Speaker 1: want to ask about about the experience of being on
Speaker 1: the show in that second season, because I remember like
Speaker 1: there there were more and more difficult conversations that happened,
Speaker 1: I think your second year than your first year, and
Speaker 1: you talk in the book about, um, you know, your
Speaker 1: exchange with Kyle who I always liked Kyle on the
Speaker 1: show and really was shocked when she when she pulled
Speaker 1: that stuff on the reunion, UM, when she accused you
Speaker 1: of not paying the charity um, and then when you
Speaker 1: had that conversation with her, that sit down, I do
Speaker 1: actually think it changed the show so much for the
Speaker 1: better because that type of conversation really needed to be had.
Speaker 1: And then as the season progressed, I actually thought that
Speaker 1: while a lot of those conversations were successful, some of
Speaker 1: them I felt I felt like, I'm I'm specifically thinking
Speaker 1: about the scene where you all were at dinner. I
Speaker 1: think it was your onward on a trip and you
Speaker 1: and they ended up sort of like really coming down
Speaker 1: on you to the point where you sort of broke
Speaker 1: down a little bit because they weren't taking you. Um,
Speaker 1: they weren't believing you when you said you felt like
Speaker 1: another in the group, and I felt and this is
Speaker 1: something that I think I just I talked with you
Speaker 1: bone about two that the show kind of framed it
Speaker 1: as like and we finally got to know who Garcel
Speaker 1: was more in that moment. But also part of me
Speaker 1: felt like, wow, you really needed to break this woman
Speaker 1: down at this dinner for you to understand even a
Speaker 1: little bit. And it did feel a little vulture is
Speaker 1: to me, um, like they were waiting to break it
Speaker 1: down in that moment. Yeah, and we know, we know
Speaker 1: that certain women on the show played certain roles. You know,
Speaker 1: I love Lisa Arena. I love watching her as a
Speaker 1: character on television, but sometimes I feel like it maybe
Speaker 1: goes a little far um And I felt like that
Speaker 1: was one that was one instance, and I wondered if
Speaker 1: you could speak to that outside of being edited on
Speaker 1: the show to say a certain thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you know that was really hard for me. And when
Speaker 1: I kept on saying that, I felt sort of like
Speaker 1: other it's because I truly felt that way. I didn't course,
Speaker 1: you know, anyone really reached out when you know it
Speaker 1: was supposed to be real friends like weren't reaching out
Speaker 1: outside of the show, Like when I spoke, I wasn't
Speaker 1: being heard, and I felt like I wasn't also sometimes
Speaker 1: being seen. So it just kept on building up and
Speaker 1: building up and building up. And You're right, a lot
Speaker 1: of people were like, it's a shame you had to
Speaker 1: break down for them to actually see you and get
Speaker 1: to know you. But at the same time, I feel
Speaker 1: like that helped me too, because, um, it allowed me
Speaker 1: to let them see me be vulnerable, which I think,
Speaker 1: which is crazy that I needed to do that, But
Speaker 1: I felt like it didn't make me closer to some
Speaker 1: of them. But it's a it's a tough show. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the hardest job I've ever had. Honestly, the only
Speaker 1: people it's me. It's not a character. I can't find it.
Speaker 1: People really care and or invested and and what's hard
Speaker 1: for me is connecting with someone and then but not
Speaker 1: trusting it. You know, That's what's really hard. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can be friends with them, but do I trust them?
Speaker 1: And you know, I've struck a great friendship with Sutton
Speaker 1: and and Kyle, and I love that Kyle was open
Speaker 1: enough to hear me and have that conversation. I really do,
Speaker 1: because what I was trying to say is, and I
Speaker 1: say this in the book, the fact that she knew
Speaker 1: how to get in touch with me, and um, you know,
Speaker 1: we all chipped in to get five thousand masks when
Speaker 1: you couldn't get masks anywhere for a hospital, and so
Speaker 1: we all paid for that. So like, why wouldn't I
Speaker 1: pay for this charity? And uh dollars, I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: what the hell? And so um. But when I spoke
Speaker 1: to her, I felt like she really got it. We
Speaker 1: didn't have to labor it. But being on the show,
Speaker 1: if you have a diverse you know, housewife, how are
Speaker 1: you not going to have diverse conversations? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And I don't think they've ever really had
Speaker 1: to have those type of conversations until I came along.
Speaker 1: And there was a front of tone to the conversations
Speaker 1: you were having compared to and I happen to be
Speaker 1: a fan of both styles, but Crystal was having very
Speaker 1: sorry um, I would say, not explosive, but just like
Speaker 1: just very to the point. She was very to the point.
Speaker 1: I feel like your sort of style and approaches to
Speaker 1: offer some grace and for and some latitude for people
Speaker 1: to realize different their actions but but also absolutely but
Speaker 1: then to also bring your vulnerability into it is very brave.
Speaker 1: And I will say something that really stayed with me
Speaker 1: from the reunion this past season was, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know where things stand with you and Lisa now,
Speaker 1: but I think run out but like you were and
Speaker 1: Rena sort of had this pretty intense exchange where you
Speaker 1: were really like holding your own again. She was really
Speaker 1: coming after and you you killed it, but you were,
Speaker 1: I mean you were you were very solid and steady
Speaker 1: the whole time. And then she finally, you know, has
Speaker 1: that moment where she crosses over sits next to you
Speaker 1: and it's like, can we please just move on from this?
Speaker 1: And there's pause and I don't know if I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's the editing or what, but the way
Speaker 1: there's that pause and then the way you you just
Speaker 1: look into her eyes and say you got it. I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, what, like what a beautiful moment of
Speaker 1: classiness and of grace forgiveness. I mean, you know, I've
Speaker 1: known n twenty years, you know what I mean? And uh,
Speaker 1: And I think a little bit of her has changed
Speaker 1: with the show. But at the same time, I was
Speaker 1: willing to say, Okay, let's really let's really go for this,
Speaker 1: and I can't wait for you to see this new season.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I mean, I said, I said from the
Speaker 1: beginning when they when you first had the scene with
Speaker 1: Shari and all those ladies, I was like, where's that show?
Speaker 1: And so now now to have Shari on the cast,
Speaker 1: I wonder did that make it so much more fun
Speaker 1: or how did it? How did it change the dynamic
Speaker 1: for you know? It was great and it's so funny
Speaker 1: because she comes in and she goes, did you call
Speaker 1: her back up? I got to hear that line of
Speaker 1: the trailer exactly. And it's been great. I mean, she
Speaker 1: comes in like it maybe you know, in like a
Speaker 1: episode eight or whatever. Um, but yeah, it's just nice
Speaker 1: not to be the only one in the room, just
Speaker 1: to have someone that I that I know has my back,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's been, uh, it's been fun. And
Speaker 1: every now and then, more now than then, she will
Speaker 1: look at me and she goes, girl, what you get
Speaker 1: me into? What? She just look at me? I should go,
Speaker 1: what the hell was Aspen? One of those times? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: she had no idea. That was the first trip and
Speaker 1: she was like, I can't, I just can't. It sounds
Speaker 1: like that will go down in history. This upcoming Aspen
Speaker 1: trip probably my last. Oh my god, with the town
Speaker 1: with the town of Aspen, not not the town of
Speaker 1: Aspen really, but you know, it was just a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean in three days. I can't. We did so much.
Speaker 1: How I see, it's a very how that happened. Yes,
Speaker 1: and what is the new season? May eleven love it? Alright,
Speaker 1: so let's transition. But what do you say? We ask
Speaker 1: ourselve the question. I'd love to go ahead of Carcel.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing here on Lost Coach, we love
Speaker 1: to ask this following question, what was the culture that
Speaker 1: made you say? Culture was for you? This is that
Speaker 1: formative thing in the pop culture lexicon. Movies, music, television
Speaker 1: can be like just something that was in your surroundings
Speaker 1: that made you when you look back, you Oh, for me,
Speaker 1: it's a couple of things. I think. You know. Culture
Speaker 1: for me started when I when I heard R and
Speaker 1: B music, so I would go visit my my cousins
Speaker 1: and Dorchester, Massachusetts. Yes, and that's the first time I
Speaker 1: heard heard R and B. And I was like, what
Speaker 1: is that? Because obviously I heard you know, Haitian music
Speaker 1: and Kompa and Sassa and all that stuff. But to
Speaker 1: hear R and B, I was like, what is that?
Speaker 1: Who is singing? And it just it was everything to me.
Speaker 1: And then from there I would have to say like
Speaker 1: TV shows like um, like good Times. That was I
Speaker 1: didn't see us like you know on TV. So that
Speaker 1: was it. And then I would say I would jump
Speaker 1: to clueless, clueless. That was cultures called hills, that was
Speaker 1: rich kids, that was you know, um, that was that
Speaker 1: was big for me. I hate to say that. You
Speaker 1: know what's funny the only you are our second housewife
Speaker 1: we've had on and Dr Wendy was the first. And
Speaker 1: she said clueless. She said clueless, She's what? Yeah? She
Speaker 1: also wasn't She's a Nigerian immigrant and she said that
Speaker 1: that was like she had like especial seeing like Dion
Speaker 1: and then she said, yeah, Dion was everything. Everybody wanted
Speaker 1: Dion Um, all the girls wanted Dion Um. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: From there, I would say would dumb and Louise bi culture,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, culture, And I discovered my husband in
Speaker 1: my head, Bradkitt dumping on the bed shirtless. Yes, I
Speaker 1: mean I think that was the first time that I
Speaker 1: got moist. I mean, in many ways same, I did
Speaker 1: things to my body I didn't know are possible. It really,
Speaker 1: it really is such a visceral sex appeal. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean even now, like I just we
Speaker 1: just saw him in the Lost City and he was
Speaker 1: in it. I'm in it for two seconds. But I
Speaker 1: just just for a seen barely. So what so what
Speaker 1: it was fun? We we we we shot the d
Speaker 1: R and it was lovely. It wasn't it wasn't it
Speaker 1: wasn't Haiti, I know, but it was just what a
Speaker 1: beautiful part of the world. What did you shoot with?
Speaker 1: I shot with Sandy, with Sandy Bull and your your
Speaker 1: co star Channing Tatums Sandy, Sandy, We're on Sandy n
Speaker 1: She's in the phone of Sandy, Sandy Sandy be but
Speaker 1: but but then it was also with Channing Tatum your Yes,
Speaker 1: so White House down, I go to shoot, I'm in
Speaker 1: the trailer. I come out of the trailer and Channing
Speaker 1: is walking towards me. I swear to god, it was
Speaker 1: slow motion and I could not believe somebody was that fine.
Speaker 1: I believe incredibly incredibly and so nice, so so wonderful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really great guy. But I I think I had that
Speaker 1: same sensory experience to where, you know, but in terms
Speaker 1: of like it felt so like like that is a
Speaker 1: movie star, like the air in the room, just like changes.
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I saw Channing Tatum in
Speaker 1: Coach Card and I was like, ab solutely Coach Carter.
Speaker 1: He was. He was literally one of the high school
Speaker 1: It's like a basketball movie. Um, I know the movie.
Speaker 1: I didn't even realize he was in it. It was like,
Speaker 1: I think the only other thing he had done or
Speaker 1: was gonna do was like step up came like maybe
Speaker 1: right after that, and I was like, but who is that?
Speaker 1: I mean he is. He's just so physically perfect that
Speaker 1: it's that it's jarring. And yeah, I guess like the
Speaker 1: only other person on screen that really cut through like
Speaker 1: that might be like Brad from way back in in
Speaker 1: in this movie, it's chanting in Brad sort of doing
Speaker 1: like a few scenes together, sharing the frame, and you go,
Speaker 1: where do I look? You know, You're like these two
Speaker 1: people who are kind of just like are playing off
Speaker 1: of each other like physically in a way like one
Speaker 1: like they both look like each other. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Right right? I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it this weekend. Especially, Oh, thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you. Brad is like an awakening for so many people.
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen five Club. I hadn't seen Tom and Louise,
Speaker 1: Like I came in late on the brand train. But
Speaker 1: he was eating food. He was like eating, stepping his
Speaker 1: face in every scene. And I was like, he can
Speaker 1: make that, you can make eating look sexy. Yeah, some
Speaker 1: people got it. I want to ask him. So when
Speaker 1: you said R and B music, who were your favorite artists? Oh,
Speaker 1: my god, back in the day. For me, it was
Speaker 1: my first concert was Teddy Pendergrass because my sister Pendergrass.
Speaker 1: Um everybody from like the Jackson five to Marvin Gay to,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many, and one of them this
Speaker 1: is not our. I mean one of my favorite songs
Speaker 1: is Stair with Heaven. Oh that's a hard left that.
Speaker 1: I'm a complex girl. Absolutely, you contain multitudes. I similarly
Speaker 1: um like for some reason, like I was, I'm a
Speaker 1: white kid from Long Island, but I started I started
Speaker 1: listening to exclusively like late nineties R and B. So
Speaker 1: I looked I was recently home and I found like
Speaker 1: a C D jacket and it was like brand the
Speaker 1: Monica Mariah when she put out the Butterfly album, like
Speaker 1: Lauren Hill. Mis Education of Lauren was the best album
Speaker 1: ever ever. We just had the Grammys and I was
Speaker 1: like I was, I was thinking to myself, like every
Speaker 1: that's all. That's great work, But then where are the
Speaker 1: formative albums? You know what I mean? Like mis Education
Speaker 1: that was like a formative albums out When you said
Speaker 1: R and B, I just thought of my own like
Speaker 1: a weekending with that. But looking at how Bruno Mars,
Speaker 1: like how many awards he won last night that at
Speaker 1: the Grammys that, you know, it goes to show you
Speaker 1: that there's still people that love because I feel like
Speaker 1: he's sort of old school R and B. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: and and Baptiste too, just like so what what a
Speaker 1: talented multi talent. I didn't realized he was doing all that.
Speaker 1: I didn't either, blown away and I started following him,
Speaker 1: you know, as soon as I finished watching the show,
Speaker 1: and I'm obsessed. Talk about a gorgeous man too, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, odd he is stunning too. And it's so
Speaker 1: funny because like you see you forget that these guys
Speaker 1: are like band leaders on late night shows like Quest Love,
Speaker 1: Winning the Oscar Don Betsy's Sweeping the Grammys, and they're
Speaker 1: literally like on Coldbart and Fallon killing it every night.
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, like, that has to be
Speaker 1: a demanding around the clock, I would imagine, because you're
Speaker 1: like musical directing these huge shows, and then they also
Speaker 1: have time to create these brilliant works. I mean, just
Speaker 1: so cool. Bravo, Bravo, bravo, all around for sure, absolute bravo, Bravo, Bravo.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't realize that. I didn't even Oh god,
Speaker 1: that's funny. Have you ever done that? Or now it's
Speaker 1: like you don't you know not to apparently, how is Denise?
Speaker 1: I think she's good. We text, we haven't seen each other.
Speaker 1: She's good. Thing. Um, I think she wanted to come back,
Speaker 1: but I think that doors closed. Now. I remember when
Speaker 1: you went on Watch What Happens Live and said that
Speaker 1: I imagine that you have so many concentric circles of friends.
Speaker 1: If you're write about this and in the book in
Speaker 1: a way that feels great, like you have your inner
Speaker 1: circle of friends that you are confidence with. And then
Speaker 1: they are like, oh, you call them the front row people,
Speaker 1: and there's some relegated relegated to the nose bleeds. Yes,
Speaker 1: sometimes you got to put them up there if they
Speaker 1: if they're not living up to their you know, front
Speaker 1: row status. But yeah, my front row is everything. Like
Speaker 1: I don't. We don't have to talk every day, but
Speaker 1: when we need each other, we are there and we
Speaker 1: know who we are, and they uplift, they check you
Speaker 1: if they need to. I mean, it's what you want
Speaker 1: and friends you don't want friends that are just gonna say, yes,
Speaker 1: you're amazing every day. Of course, so that's great. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't take that for granted in my life at all.
Speaker 1: Like I I look around and I go, wow, I'm
Speaker 1: so lucky to have these people who I get to
Speaker 1: just you can be honest with me, and I'm not
Speaker 1: not not not not everybody necessarily has that right this
Speaker 1: business that we're all in, you know, you want to
Speaker 1: know who's really there for you. Yeah. I think that's
Speaker 1: also a reason why it's really important to keep those
Speaker 1: people that have been with you for a long time,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I think Bowen said this the other day.
Speaker 1: I think we've been friends for fourteen years, like and
Speaker 1: it's it's just so funny because like, so life has
Speaker 1: so many ups and downs and changes. But I still
Speaker 1: feel like I can say anything to Bowen, and I
Speaker 1: think he can say anything to me. And I would
Speaker 1: get nervous if I felt like I couldn't tell my
Speaker 1: friend the truth exactly exactly. You know, they may not
Speaker 1: like it sometimes, but I think that's what being friends is,
Speaker 1: you know, it's about. Yeah, I wanted to ask about
Speaker 1: like the relationship with you and everyone on The Real too,
Speaker 1: because the reason why it's my favorite panel show is
Speaker 1: because it not to like not that no, no, I
Speaker 1: watch it. Well, I don't watch it live every day,
Speaker 1: but I always go on YouTube and it's always all
Speaker 1: over my landing page because I really do genuinely think
Speaker 1: you guys talk about important ship like I think that
Speaker 1: you talk about life things. And I love how emotional
Speaker 1: the panel gets and it feels it feels like it
Speaker 1: really walks the walk of being the Real because you know,
Speaker 1: I just think everyone on the show is such a
Speaker 1: star and you have really filled it out in such
Speaker 1: a great way. Um. But I've been such a fan
Speaker 1: of Adrian's for so long. I remember the first time
Speaker 1: on Star Search. I'm not even kidding. I said she's
Speaker 1: a star, and when she didn't win, I was like,
Speaker 1: this show is sarked up. Um, And then you know
Speaker 1: Genie as well. I'm such a fan, and so not
Speaker 1: only do I like everyone individually, but it's the chemistry
Speaker 1: together that is not just handed to you. It's been
Speaker 1: so great. I mean I had been on the show before, um,
Speaker 1: you know, promoting whatever it is that I was promoting,
Speaker 1: but it's another thing to see them every day, and
Speaker 1: especially now that we're in person, I mean we can talk.
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes we have to shut us up between
Speaker 1: commercial breaks so we can come back, you know, because
Speaker 1: we just have Although we're all women of color, we
Speaker 1: have so many different like our lifestyles are different about
Speaker 1: and it's really great that there's no judgment. You can
Speaker 1: just say how you feel and we accept it even
Speaker 1: if we don't agree. Yeah, there's genuine disagreement to without
Speaker 1: feeling nervous. Like when I watched the View, I actually
Speaker 1: had to stop because I feel like, especially when Megan
Speaker 1: was there, I would always feel nervous, like it made
Speaker 1: me anxious to watch and I didn't need more social
Speaker 1: anxiety in my life. So but when I watched The Real,
Speaker 1: it's it's offering perspective and there's real listening happening. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's a really good point. Thank you for saying that.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I hope it doesn't go away. What's the story.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It started off as a rum where
Speaker 1: we haven't heard yet, and we we end at the
Speaker 1: end of this month, so you know, hopefully readers watch
Speaker 1: the Real. You gotta watch the reel. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's it's filling this hole that um not to not
Speaker 1: to invoke this, but I feel like I feel like
Speaker 1: you all talk about health, which in a very like
Speaker 1: honest way that like I think hasn't been talked about
Speaker 1: since like Oprah. Like I think Oprah was was like
Speaker 1: the kind of the last daytime person to like talk
Speaker 1: about like specifically like women's health in a way that
Speaker 1: was just like necessary and if like the four of
Speaker 1: you kind of are able to hit on that in
Speaker 1: a very honest way. In the four you, you are
Speaker 1: very open about what each person is going through. No,
Speaker 1: I love that too, And I feel like we can
Speaker 1: also talk about our community better than anybody else because
Speaker 1: while living it, which is really great. So I do
Speaker 1: love that. I love that we talked about mental health,
Speaker 1: we talk about women's issues, we talked about everything, and
Speaker 1: we have fun doing it today. Actually, when I left,
Speaker 1: Lonnie had switched her wig around and she was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It was hid. Lonnie is just one of the funniest people.
Speaker 1: She got it. And and not not to bring up
Speaker 1: my own work again, but I do remember one of
Speaker 1: the first like people to compliment me on the iceberg,
Speaker 1: Lonnie tweeted it like was just shouting it from the
Speaker 1: rooftops on Twitter, just being like that was bo and
Speaker 1: Yang wow. And I was like, Lonnie, Lonnie love just
Speaker 1: saw that. Oh my god, I just I freaked out.
Speaker 1: I think I was the first to screenshot that and
Speaker 1: sent it to you because peek behind the curtain. I
Speaker 1: was actually sitting here on this couch recovering from a
Speaker 1: rhino plasty that I needed to have, so I'm like, literally,
Speaker 1: it's not it wasn't enough that I didn't get a
Speaker 1: full face bandage watching Bow and Slay on television, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, I was so proud. I can't
Speaker 1: even cry or smile or laugh because it would hurt.
Speaker 1: But but I then went on Twitter just to see
Speaker 1: what everyone was saying, and Lonnie Love had popped all
Speaker 1: the way off about the iceberg. It was so good,
Speaker 1: it was so good. But she's so good about supporting
Speaker 1: that that's important. Yeah, I can, I can, we can tell,
Speaker 1: really tell that. She's just like she's she's real, she's
Speaker 1: she's on the reel. Yeah. Shall we move to I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay.
Speaker 1: So this is sort of you're never going to believe this,
Speaker 1: but an iconic segment of the podcast where we take
Speaker 1: sixty seconds to absolutely rant drag rave about a particular
Speaker 1: subject in pop culture that you know deserves it, and unfortunately,
Speaker 1: um that time is now so sorry. In advance to
Speaker 1: the topics that we discussed, we iconically did not do
Speaker 1: a topical episode last week. We had a banked episode,
Speaker 1: so we did not get to touch on what might
Speaker 1: be one of the biggest pop culture events in recent history.
Speaker 1: And I have haven't I don't think so, honey. That
Speaker 1: may disappoint our readers even more because I'm going to
Speaker 1: talk about the evening, but not that I see. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is perfect prefacing. This is Matt Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I think, so, honey, A time starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. People dragging Amy Schumer for that bit
Speaker 1: with Kirsten Dunston Jesse Clemons. So she asked Kirsten Dunce
Speaker 1: to get up because she thought she was a seat
Speaker 1: filler so she could like flirt with Jesse Clemons, and
Speaker 1: people on Twitter actually thought she was being disrespectful to
Speaker 1: Kirsten Dunst. You guys, I don't think so, honey. It's
Speaker 1: called humor, it's called jokes. I understand we had all
Speaker 1: just been through a shared traumatic moment watching what happened unfold,
Speaker 1: but we can't lose our sense of humor. Jamy Schumer
Speaker 1: is the host of the show. Everything she does on
Speaker 1: camera is a planned bit. There are no moments of riffing.
Speaker 1: Well I was, you know, that's probably not true, but
Speaker 1: with the host, that's not how it works. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. Also, people are not giving Kirsten Dunce
Speaker 1: the credit. Just because she played that expertly and made
Speaker 1: you think she was annoyed doesn't mean she wasn't in
Speaker 1: on it. She's an amazing actress. And yet again, Kirston
Speaker 1: Dunts perfectly underplaying something and not get in the credit
Speaker 1: for it. I don't think so, honey, readers do better.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute, because because if we don't know
Speaker 1: that's not a bit, we don't deserve to watch TV.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, who doesn't doesn't She had to
Speaker 1: get on Twitter and be like, guys, I knew it
Speaker 1: was Kirsen dunched. It was a bit she was in on,
Speaker 1: like I would never disrespect the queen like that, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, come on, she's she's the damn host. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be produced, Like there have been meetings about every
Speaker 1: single thing she's gonna do on that show. Knows who's
Speaker 1: sitting in what seats, they have the whole seating chart
Speaker 1: and the whole thing. Yeah, And then when she said
Speaker 1: to Jesse, I'm such a fan of your work, It's
Speaker 1: like she's like, who are you here with? And he
Speaker 1: was like, my wife and and she was like, you're
Speaker 1: married to that seed filler. I just thought the whole
Speaker 1: thing was great. And then to go online and have
Speaker 1: people ruin it by wasting their breath with their takes
Speaker 1: about how it was disrespectful. I think people have too
Speaker 1: many takes. That's my note for the oscars of it
Speaker 1: all is too many takes. Everyone needs to just relax, relax, relax.
Speaker 1: You know what I think it was that, you know,
Speaker 1: the critical mass of like the slap discourse had been reached,
Speaker 1: and I think people were looking for other things to
Speaker 1: like talk about. Yeah, that's a good point. That might
Speaker 1: have been it. Yeah. Yeah, it hit the ceiling and
Speaker 1: they were like, what do I do with all this energy?
Speaker 1: Was what happened? Reckless with it? Um? Okay, So that's
Speaker 1: one to chew on for everyone at home. Bow and Yang,
Speaker 1: do you have it prepared? I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: Um I do I do. I'd love to hear that.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to hear. All right, Bowen Yang,
Speaker 1: this is your I don't think so, honey. Your time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey. Jared Letto being
Speaker 1: still the worst coworker in Hollywood. There are these stories
Speaker 1: coming out now about him on the more bea set
Speaker 1: taking twenty minutes to pee or not even twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: but more than twenty minutes, having to be wheeled out
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair has nothing to do with his character.
Speaker 1: His character is not in a wheelchair in this movie,
Speaker 1: or is not physically, you know, incapable of walking himself
Speaker 1: to to the restroom. This is another sort of pseudo
Speaker 1: method bullshit thing that he's putting his entire set through.
Speaker 1: And now there's reports of him aspiring to be a pedophile,
Speaker 1: to play a pedophile and then going method with that. Honey,
Speaker 1: that's gonna go. How do you think that's gonna go?
Speaker 1: Jared Letto, We've got to end this fifty year old man.
Speaker 1: Have some respect for yourself, Have some respect for your coworkers.
Speaker 1: You do not stand with YATSA. You do not stand
Speaker 1: with SAG, you do not five g A. You're an
Speaker 1: anti union man. If you were literally running the clock
Speaker 1: and making people's days worse. And that's one minute when
Speaker 1: I heard Anne Hathaway say she felt like she had
Speaker 1: never even met him until the respect how about that
Speaker 1: they probably weren't together for four months. Have you ever
Speaker 1: had a co star that was method Garcel? No, not really,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Oh no, no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no. I had this one actor who I said
Speaker 1: I will never work with the in We was so difficult.
Speaker 1: He would say nutes in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: to myself and the director about how he saw the scene.
Speaker 1: At one point, his character had to cook my character breakfast.
Speaker 1: He wanted six different knives because the knives that they
Speaker 1: brought were not good enough. And I was just like,
Speaker 1: just act like you're cooking breakfast. Yeah. We all had,
Speaker 1: you know, our own parking spots. And he would come
Speaker 1: in with his fancy car and he'd go, I'm worried
Speaker 1: about my car here. Well, everybody else's car is here.
Speaker 1: That is not my little but it shouldn't be. No.
Speaker 1: But but I had to ask, because you really have
Speaker 1: worked with so many and when I say of the greats,
Speaker 1: that means that you know some of them are going
Speaker 1: to be crazy, crazy crazy, Oh my god. Okay have
Speaker 1: you have you have you ever gotten fully method or
Speaker 1: not fully method? But just like kind of like I
Speaker 1: think it depends on if if it's a dark character
Speaker 1: or someplace I have to go like really deep, that's
Speaker 1: you know that I want to be safe with. I
Speaker 1: will then zone out, no phone, stay in my trailer,
Speaker 1: get in the zone, whether it's music or whatever, and
Speaker 1: then I'll walk out and I'll do it, and I
Speaker 1: won't want to sort of break character while the directors
Speaker 1: giving notes or while they're you know, just so that
Speaker 1: I can stay in the zone. Sure, I think you
Speaker 1: play it. You played a pretty villainous person in this
Speaker 1: in the short film that you and Lisa produced, Yes,
Speaker 1: Lalo's House. Yeah, that was deep. That was based on
Speaker 1: a true story. Um, these two little girls that get
Speaker 1: kidnapped and they wake up and they're at a convent
Speaker 1: and the convent is being run as a sex trafficking ring.
Speaker 1: So I lead none who is in jail right now
Speaker 1: in Haiti. But I mean it's a global issue. It's
Speaker 1: not just a Haiti issue. But we saw, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was that was really great to hear about that, and
Speaker 1: also great to hear about the acclaim that it received.
Speaker 1: It was the rector doing so well after it. That's
Speaker 1: that had to be very gratifying to it was, actually,
Speaker 1: but not as gratifying us completing. And I don't think so, honey, Garcelas,
Speaker 1: do you have a topic in mind? I do, Okay,
Speaker 1: in that case, this is Garcellas. I don't think Sonny,
Speaker 1: her time starts now, Okay, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Cancel culture. Oh yet, a fucking grip. We are human,
Speaker 1: we make mistakes, We're gonna do stupid things. Give us,
Speaker 1: Educate us, don't cancel us. It's stupid. We're human and everybody,
Speaker 1: please lighten up. Laugh with them, cheer them on, cheer
Speaker 1: them on. All they want to do is make you laugh.
Speaker 1: Stop taking everything so personally, don't hit anybody, don't. I'm
Speaker 1: so sick of it, the cancel culture. We're allowed to
Speaker 1: make mistakes. Who is the police, the cancel least. It's insane.
Speaker 1: I will have it. Give me a time, like from
Speaker 1: running out of Okay, so stop canceling people. We are
Speaker 1: all human beings. You've made mistakes, I've made mistakes. We're
Speaker 1: still gonna continue making mistakes. Let's love one another. Let's
Speaker 1: just some grace and you can't take it. Get out
Speaker 1: of the room, stop following the person you stick of
Speaker 1: And that's one minute, that's one minute. There's this, there's
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, we've reached a place where
Speaker 1: like there's no nuance when anyone talks about like you know,
Speaker 1: like wrongdoing, it's it's it's, it's it's it's so it's
Speaker 1: hard and like, oh my gosh, especially after the oscars,
Speaker 1: it's like there's no way in for anybody anymore to
Speaker 1: even like have a shared reality. Or or shared like
Speaker 1: sense of like what what even happened? Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: I think we all need to lighten up. Not everything
Speaker 1: is racist, Not everything is um, you know, controversial. Let's
Speaker 1: just slap a a little bit. You know, that's fun,
Speaker 1: you know, I would say recently, um, like when Jane
Speaker 1: Campion made her comment about Venus and Serena and the
Speaker 1: Internet really went in on her that day, I kind
Speaker 1: of felt like, that's and and it's always I always
Speaker 1: feel nervous saying this because I'm aware that I'm a
Speaker 1: white man and so I shouldn't speak for necessarily or
Speaker 1: like way in on how these black women are to
Speaker 1: feel about how that was said. But to me, that
Speaker 1: felt like a bad joke or an attempt at humor
Speaker 1: by someone someone who wasn't funny trying to make a
Speaker 1: joke and I was. And I think, you know, because
Speaker 1: the subjects of the joke were Venus and Serena, people
Speaker 1: obviously feel very protective over them, and they jumped to
Speaker 1: these certain conclusions. And also, you know, if there's a
Speaker 1: world where they are correct, but also there's a world
Speaker 1: where they or not, And it almost feels like in
Speaker 1: that instance, and then and then with everything that happened
Speaker 1: with will Smith. I keep thinking because in the days
Speaker 1: that followed the slap, I kept feeling worse and worse
Speaker 1: about it. And I realized the reason I kept feeling
Speaker 1: worse and worse about it was the discourse kept kind
Speaker 1: of you know, I know, and I feel like I
Speaker 1: agree with you with Jane Champion. First of all, just
Speaker 1: think about it. This woman just want a big awards.
Speaker 1: She got up there. She's not a comedian. She tried
Speaker 1: to tell a joke and she met Well, no, I
Speaker 1: think she was just saying, like, we're strong, We're going
Speaker 1: up against men. I go up against men all the time.
Speaker 1: The girls don't go up against men as tennis players exactly.
Speaker 1: They go up against me maybe in business. So it's
Speaker 1: just everybody is so uptight and nit picking at everything.
Speaker 1: And we and and Matt and I can say because
Speaker 1: we were at the Critics Choice of wards where that happened,
Speaker 1: all parties are, all parties involved at the after party
Speaker 1: were twirling. We're twirling. No one was having a blast
Speaker 1: like we saw, all parties involved truly getting their life
Speaker 1: at the Netflix after party. And then you go online
Speaker 1: and everyone was so upset for them and at them,
Speaker 1: and it was like, wait, have you actually considered how
Speaker 1: this person actually feels about it, or are we just
Speaker 1: assigning them a response, an emotional response, the nerves. Maybe
Speaker 1: she was nervous. She just want like, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just it was just a bad joke. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. She's not a comedian. That's
Speaker 1: not what she does. Right there you go. Well, this
Speaker 1: was truly such a pleasure. And Garcella, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for gracing us with your presence on our humble podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to I was so happy. You guys
Speaker 1: are fantastic. And I have a quick flavor before we
Speaker 1: wrap it. I'll let you Yes, well, I was just
Speaker 1: going to mention I would be I would be remiss
Speaker 1: if I didn't remind everyone at home that loved me
Speaker 1: as I am. Garcella's This incredible book is out on
Speaker 1: April twelve. You can preorder it now. I think we're
Speaker 1: putting the episode out so that we can say we
Speaker 1: had you first before you start hitting the circuit um.
Speaker 1: But we I've read it, we loved it. There's lots
Speaker 1: of you know, you know you really you've been through
Speaker 1: so much. And Risen above so much. And you've got
Speaker 1: a lot of really great um nuggets in here and
Speaker 1: stuff that I would write down next to Burnet Brown's
Speaker 1: ship any day. And how Beverly Hills is back on
Speaker 1: May eleventh, very exciting and much more to come, I
Speaker 1: guess anything else you want to let people know about?
Speaker 1: Much more to come, much more to come. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: end every episode with a song. We end every episode
Speaker 1: with a song. What's the song tonight? We always decide
Speaker 1: in the moment, Oh goodly, you better watch that thing,
Speaker 1: so listen to that. I love it. You can go
Speaker 1: copy the album Miseducation of Laarren Hill, released in n
Speaker 1: and it's in stores now if there are still record stores.
Speaker 1: Bye bye,