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Speaker 1: with these men like that. But that's what's so mature

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00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: about this whole thing is and so beautiful and kind

428
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: of speaks to your you know, your perspective over the

429
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: years is that you can still like approach these people

430
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: in this very professional way and that still has a

431
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 1: lot of emotion and heart and memory associated to them.

432
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. I mean, I think for me,

433
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: my background in the way I was raised, has a

434
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: lot to do with It's like my foundation. Right. So

435
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: with Eddie, we worked you know, on Coming to America

436
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: the Original and listen, there were so many beautiful women

437
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: on that set. It was like we were all hired

438
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: just with that right. I had gone up for the

439
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: lead role, which I had no business doing. I knew

440
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: nothing about acting, and so of course I didn't get

441
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: that part. But John Landis, I remember, called my modeling agency.

442
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,239
Speaker 1: I didn't even have an agent, and he was like,

443
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: if she wants to be in the business, this is

444
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: a great way for her to see what it's like

445
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: and be a part of it. And it was like

446
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: a three month shoot and so um I decided to

447
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: do it, and everybody was vying for him. I mean,

448
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: you know what, well, yeah, we had a really great

449
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: chemistry and he was really cool and really he was

450
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: such a gentleman. Yeah, even then when he was his

451
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: star was rising, there was something about him that was

452
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: still a gentleman and I like that. Yeah. Yeah, classic guy,

453
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: really classic guy. And I barely sort of you know,

454
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: crossed paths with him when he when he was hosting

455
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: US an L a couple of years ago. But it

456
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: was such like a I mean all of us like

457
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: sat around being like we wouldn't be here without him.

458
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: You know, he saved the show, you know, like it

459
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: would have just ended after you know, five ten seasons

460
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: or whatever. It was great to see him back on

461
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: the stage, It really was. It was phenomenal to see yeah. Yeah, yeah.

462
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: And we talked a lot about all these roles that

463
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: you've played, but you really do seem so comfortable being

464
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: yourself on the reel. And then I didn't know that

465
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: was one of your ambitions, like from way back, was

466
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: to always wanted to be a talk show host and days,

467
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't know it was a talk show host,

468
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: but I thought journalism, entertainment, you know, And um, I

469
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: remember we had uh you know, like you know how

470
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 1: you have in school, you have a channel at school,

471
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: and you know, we'd get to go up and tell

472
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: the news or whatever was happening. And I always wanted

473
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: to do that. And so even before acting, and I

474
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: remember my agents and you know, my people would always say,

475
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: but you're doing so well, like why would you At

476
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: that time, people weren't really diversifying. Yeah, you know, if

477
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: you were an actor, you were strictly an actor. If

478
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: you were a model, you were strictly that. And so

479
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: I waited and waited, and then finally UM got the

480
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: chance you tell a story about um spending a week

481
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: at the View. Oh my god, I really couldn't because

482
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: it's like you you do. I mean, everyone needs to

483
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: get the book to especially like people that listen to

484
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: this podcast, like love when we talked about like the

485
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: Ladies who Punch However, you know, people want to receive that.

486
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: But it's it is so fascinating, like the View is

487
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: such a integral part of pop culture, and there is

488
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: that fascination about what goes on behind the scenes because

489
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, you hear certain things and then when I

490
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: would imagine that when you go there and you do

491
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: sort of get at this in the book to you

492
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: just think it can't possibly be the reality, you know

493
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: what I mean, I can actually be that, and then

494
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah. And what was really like the just

495
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 1: the position of both is I was in Haiti when

496
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: I got the call that they wanted me to come

497
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: do a week. So here I am in a country that,

498
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, there's not a lot um and uh, and

499
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: the women in Haiti are so prideful, whether you have

500
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: a nickel or whether you have you know, more money.

501
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: It's just like there's a sense of pride and ownership

502
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: and faithful, you know, hopefulness. And so going from there,

503
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: where you know there's there's a lot of lack, flying

504
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: to New York where there's everything right, and I and

505
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: and I go and I was just expecting, like come

506
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: on in cars, We're so excited, and it was like

507
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: who's here today? That was pretty much how it was.

508
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: And in a way I get the sense of there

509
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: was a lot of they weren't sure who was staying.

510
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: There was a lot of different people in the chair.

511
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: So I get that. But at the same time, for me,

512
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: if someone comes into my home, I'm always welcoming. Of course,

513
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: of course, absolutely, can we get specific about some of

514
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: these interactions. So I mean, I I guess multiple women

515
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: on the on on the panel, we're just sort of

516
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, terse for lack of a better word, and

517
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: it feels it's it's really just I think my I

518
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: think I was just pretty a gape when I was

519
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: reading this, like, oh my gosh. But I guess it's

520
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: no surprise that I'm like Matt who really is well

521
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: versed in the View. And yeah, it was like, going on, well,

522
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: did I ever so, did I ever tell you this

523
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: is our first time meeting Carson? Did I ever tell

524
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: you about the time? No? No, but you know what,

525
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: Bone and I went to the View one time and

526
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: we were in the audience just because actually it was

527
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: because so I'm a huge Kelly Clarkson fan, and she was,

528
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: she was a guest on the show. So I guess

529
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: the producer on the show was like, we can get

530
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: them tickets people that listen to this podcast. I've heard

531
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: us tell the story. But now at the time, it's

532
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: it's well, it's it's funny because it was the day

533
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: that I got the call that I was hired to

534
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: be a writer and and but it was. It was.

535
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: It was a really tough day because Matt and I

536
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: had both auditioned, had screen tested the same year they

537
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: bought it. They brought us both in twice and that

538
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: was the day we found out that they were offering

539
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: Bowen a job and not me. So it was, it was,

540
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: it was, It was a lot, and we were going through.

541
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: It was an emotional day, but we won. The one

542
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: thing that broke the tension between us and like really

543
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: made us laugh was to do it. It was going

544
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: to the view and they did this dance contest, like

545
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: where all the women in the audience like did this

546
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: goofy little dance and the crowd motivator was like, all right,

547
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna have um. The panelists are gonna say who won,

548
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: and there well and she goes whoop, hold on the

549
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: dance contest and will be just goes. I don't give

550
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: a funk about this. It was both iconic and also

551
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: filled in a lot about probably what the situation is there. Yeah,

552
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: but it was very informative. That one moment was very informatively.

553
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean we screamed laughing. That is hilarious and I'm

554
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: sorry you didn't get it. Oh, it's okay. I'm I'm

555
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: doing just fine. I know you are. Really is he

556
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: really is? I know you are. This story, I'm gonna

557
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: sidebar a little bit. I used to I used to

558
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: model with Cameron Diaz and Kevin Yeah in l A.

559
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: I we used to model together and she's the greatest girl.

560
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 1: And I remember we used to model with this other

561
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: girl named Elizabeth and Elizabeth had an audition for what's

562
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: the first movie? Camera? Yes, the mask? The mask maybe mask.

563
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: So they were supposed to hang out and Elizabeth said

564
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: to Cameron, come with me and then we'll hang out

565
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: right after Wait, oh my god, I've heard this story. Yes,

566
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: and the casting director goes, are you reading for this?

567
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: And camera goes no, I'm just with her. They're like, no,

568
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: you need to read with her, and then Cameron becomes

569
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: a big star. Yeah, but you sort of had that

570
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: same story too, where you were tagging along with a

571
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: friend who was playing an extra who's doing background work. Yes, yes, yes, yes,

572
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: and then that that sort of like gave you the bug. Yeah. Yeah,

573
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: that totally gave me the bug. I didn't know what

574
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: an extra was, and he's like, at seventy five dollars

575
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: a day, and I was like, count me in. That

576
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: was big money and this was in Miami, and so

577
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: I did. It was an orange juice commercial. And then

578
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: on the second day I had the courage to go

579
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: up to one of the principal actors and it was

580
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: really pretty black girl, and I said, Hey, I want

581
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: to do what you're doing, and she liked what he said.

582
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck, And so I found out

583
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: who her her age agency was, like Green Marie, and

584
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: so I borrowed my mom's car. Driving to Fort Lauderdale,

585
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: I stopped at a red light. I put my head

586
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: out the window to check my makeup. I decided that

587
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: I needed lip gloss. I'm in my personal looking for

588
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: lip gloss. A hand comes in the car scares the

589
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: ship out of me, and it's a card. It's the

590
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: woman who was in the traffic like behind me, and

591
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: she's like, you should be a model. And when I

592
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: look at the card, it's the agency I was going

593
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: to without an appointment. Unbelievable. Crazy, Yeah, that is a sign.

594
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: That's one of those stories though, that like you don't

595
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: really get any more in the business now. It's like

596
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: people just discover people through like you know, social media,

597
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: which is great, but there is there's something like so

598
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: like legendary about something like that. I never I've known

599
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: about the story like for me in the book and

600
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: from senior interviews. But I still I just still like

601
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: gives me a little like me and I lived it. Yeah,

602
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: so crazy. You can't make that up. It's so funny too,

603
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: because like I remember when I was young and I

604
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: would read stories about like you know, so and so

605
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: was discovered on the street. I remember when I moved

606
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: when I moved to New York at eighteen bone and

607
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: I went to n y U and so we both

608
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: moved to New York at eighteen very similar, very similar

609
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: age to you. And it really is when you talk about, like,

610
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: you know, New York City is like it's the most

611
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: exciting city in the world, but when you first get there,

612
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: it is so lonely and so crazy because everyone knows

613
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: exactly where they're going and what they're doing. So I remember,

614
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: like I said to myself, you know what, I should

615
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: just do walk the streets because you could get discovered.

616
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: So I would go out there and like it was

617
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: like the first week of n y U and I

618
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: would just go walk around like trying to look like

619
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: I was somebody or going somewhere, and someone did stop

620
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: me and they said, boone, have I ever told you this?

621
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: Stop me? And sounds did I ever tell you this? No? Yeah,

622
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: but I'm walking on the street and someone did come

623
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: up to me and was like, I'm not kidding you.

624
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: They were like, have you ever thought of modeling? And

625
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: I was like, literally in the back of my head,

626
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: I was like, it's happening. I did it. Yeah, it's

627
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: happening to me. I've been in New York for less

628
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: than a week and I'm being asked to be a

629
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: high fashion model. So I take the guy's card, and

630
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: obviously it's one of those like scams which just like

631
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: to get like little twink twinkie boys on roofs and

632
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: take their shirts off. So I did. I did, unfortunately,

633
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: like take some like creepy photos on a roof when

634
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: I was eighteen, so not as glamorous as your story.

635
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: But I also don't know where those photos are. Oh

636
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: my god, we have to find those photos. Yeah, please,

637
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: I don't really get my people on it. We all

638
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 1: start somewhere. Absolutely have to say, Bowen, I was so

639
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: excited to see you and I told you this one,

640
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, the night before party. The iceberg is the

641
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: funniest thing I have seen. Thank you. Mean, I was like,

642
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: who is this guy? Over and over again? So sweet?

643
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: And I will say I was there with Adie Bryant

644
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: and Vanessa Bear, Matt's co star in this upcoming showtime show.

645
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: But the three of us were kind of like walking around,

646
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: kind of like rolling our eyes, going on whatever. There

647
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: by the way, there really were and but I just

648
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: want to say that the three of us were the

649
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: most excited and star struck to see you. At least

650
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: at least there was no wonderful Oh. We were so excited,

651
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: we like stopped, we were like telling you, were like,

652
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: we're so on your side and all of the different conflicts.

653
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: It was the hashtag team Garcel. I mean it was

654
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: it was. I really remember they all texted me after

655
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: that because and I'm telling you, like on the set

656
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: of my new show, which I'm on a show with

657
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: Molly Shannon and Vanessa Bayer, well yeah number one and

658
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: wait till you wait until you see her in this um.

659
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: But like so they all jam about housewives all the

660
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: time and everyone is team Garcel. Obviously, how could you

661
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: not be. But before we ask about the culture that

662
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: made you say culture was for you, I did just

663
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: want to ask about about the experience of being on

664
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: the show in that second season, because I remember like

665
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: there there were more and more difficult conversations that happened,

666
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: I think your second year than your first year, and

667
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: you talk in the book about, um, you know, your

668
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: exchange with Kyle who I always liked Kyle on the

669
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: show and really was shocked when she when she pulled

670
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: that stuff on the reunion, UM, when she accused you

671
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: of not paying the charity um, and then when you

672
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: had that conversation with her, that sit down, I do

673
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: actually think it changed the show so much for the

674
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: better because that type of conversation really needed to be had.

675
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: And then as the season progressed, I actually thought that

676
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: while a lot of those conversations were successful, some of

677
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: them I felt I felt like, I'm I'm specifically thinking

678
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: about the scene where you all were at dinner. I

679
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: think it was your onward on a trip and you

680
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: and they ended up sort of like really coming down

681
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: on you to the point where you sort of broke

682
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: down a little bit because they weren't taking you. Um,

683
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: they weren't believing you when you said you felt like

684
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: another in the group, and I felt and this is

685
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: something that I think I just I talked with you

686
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: bone about two that the show kind of framed it

687
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: as like and we finally got to know who Garcel

688
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: was more in that moment. But also part of me

689
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: felt like, wow, you really needed to break this woman

690
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: down at this dinner for you to understand even a

691
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: little bit. And it did feel a little vulture is

692
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: to me, um, like they were waiting to break it

693
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: down in that moment. Yeah, and we know, we know

694
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: that certain women on the show played certain roles. You know,

695
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: I love Lisa Arena. I love watching her as a

696
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: character on television, but sometimes I feel like it maybe

697
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: goes a little far um And I felt like that

698
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: was one that was one instance, and I wondered if

699
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: you could speak to that outside of being edited on

700
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: the show to say a certain thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,

701
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: you know that was really hard for me. And when

702
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: I kept on saying that, I felt sort of like

703
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: other it's because I truly felt that way. I didn't course,

704
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, anyone really reached out when you know it

705
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: was supposed to be real friends like weren't reaching out

706
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: outside of the show, Like when I spoke, I wasn't

707
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: being heard, and I felt like I wasn't also sometimes

708
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: being seen. So it just kept on building up and

709
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: building up and building up. And You're right, a lot

710
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: of people were like, it's a shame you had to

711
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: break down for them to actually see you and get

712
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: to know you. But at the same time, I feel

713
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: like that helped me too, because, um, it allowed me

714
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: to let them see me be vulnerable, which I think,

715
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: which is crazy that I needed to do that, But

716
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: I felt like it didn't make me closer to some

717
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: of them. But it's a it's a tough show. I mean,

718
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: it's the hardest job I've ever had. Honestly, the only

719
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: people it's me. It's not a character. I can't find it.

720
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: People really care and or invested and and what's hard

721
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: for me is connecting with someone and then but not

722
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: trusting it. You know, That's what's really hard. It's like, yeah,

723
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: I can be friends with them, but do I trust them?

724
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: And you know, I've struck a great friendship with Sutton

725
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: and and Kyle, and I love that Kyle was open

726
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: enough to hear me and have that conversation. I really do,

727
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: because what I was trying to say is, and I

728
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: say this in the book, the fact that she knew

729
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: how to get in touch with me, and um, you know,

730
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: we all chipped in to get five thousand masks when

731
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: you couldn't get masks anywhere for a hospital, and so

732
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: we all paid for that. So like, why wouldn't I

733
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: pay for this charity? And uh dollars, I mean, come on,

734
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: what the hell? And so um. But when I spoke

735
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: to her, I felt like she really got it. We

736
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: didn't have to labor it. But being on the show,

737
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: if you have a diverse you know, housewife, how are

738
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: you not going to have diverse conversations? You know what

739
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: I mean? And I don't think they've ever really had

740
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: to have those type of conversations until I came along.

741
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: And there was a front of tone to the conversations

742
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: you were having compared to and I happen to be

743
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: a fan of both styles, but Crystal was having very

744
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: sorry um, I would say, not explosive, but just like

745
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: just very to the point. She was very to the point.

746
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: I feel like your sort of style and approaches to

747
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: offer some grace and for and some latitude for people

748
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: to realize different their actions but but also absolutely but

749
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: then to also bring your vulnerability into it is very brave.

750
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: And I will say something that really stayed with me

751
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: from the reunion this past season was, you know, I

752
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: don't know where things stand with you and Lisa now,

753
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: but I think run out but like you were and

754
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: Rena sort of had this pretty intense exchange where you

755
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: were really like holding your own again. She was really

756
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: coming after and you you killed it, but you were,

757
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: I mean you were you were very solid and steady

758
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: the whole time. And then she finally, you know, has

759
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: that moment where she crosses over sits next to you

760
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: and it's like, can we please just move on from this?

761
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: And there's pause and I don't know if I don't

762
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 1: know if it's the editing or what, but the way

763
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: there's that pause and then the way you you just

764
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: look into her eyes and say you got it. I

765
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: was like, wow, what, like what a beautiful moment of

766
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: classiness and of grace forgiveness. I mean, you know, I've

767
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: known n twenty years, you know what I mean? And uh,

768
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: And I think a little bit of her has changed

769
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: with the show. But at the same time, I was

770
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: willing to say, Okay, let's really let's really go for this,

771
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: and I can't wait for you to see this new season.

772
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I mean, I said, I said from the

773
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: beginning when they when you first had the scene with

774
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: Shari and all those ladies, I was like, where's that show?

775
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: And so now now to have Shari on the cast,

776
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: I wonder did that make it so much more fun

777
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: or how did it? How did it change the dynamic

778
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: for you know? It was great and it's so funny

779
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: because she comes in and she goes, did you call

780
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: her back up? I got to hear that line of

781
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: the trailer exactly. And it's been great. I mean, she

782
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: comes in like it maybe you know, in like a

783
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: episode eight or whatever. Um, but yeah, it's just nice

784
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: not to be the only one in the room, just

785
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: to have someone that I that I know has my back,

786
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, and it's been, uh, it's been fun. And

787
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: every now and then, more now than then, she will

788
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: look at me and she goes, girl, what you get

789
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: me into? What? She just look at me? I should go,

790
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: what the hell was Aspen? One of those times? Oh yeah,

791
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: she had no idea. That was the first trip and

792
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: she was like, I can't, I just can't. It sounds

793
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 1: like that will go down in history. This upcoming Aspen

794
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: trip probably my last. Oh my god, with the town

795
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: with the town of Aspen, not not the town of

796
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: Aspen really, but you know, it was just a lot.

797
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: I mean in three days. I can't. We did so much.

798
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: How I see, it's a very how that happened. Yes,

799
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: and what is the new season? May eleven love it? Alright,

800
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: so let's transition. But what do you say? We ask

801
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: ourselve the question. I'd love to go ahead of Carcel.

802
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: So here's the thing here on Lost Coach, we love

803
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: to ask this following question, what was the culture that

804
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: made you say? Culture was for you? This is that

805
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: formative thing in the pop culture lexicon. Movies, music, television

806
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: can be like just something that was in your surroundings

807
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: that made you when you look back, you Oh, for me,

808
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: it's a couple of things. I think. You know. Culture

809
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: for me started when I when I heard R and

810
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: B music, so I would go visit my my cousins

811
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: and Dorchester, Massachusetts. Yes, and that's the first time I

812
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: heard heard R and B. And I was like, what

813
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: is that? Because obviously I heard you know, Haitian music

814
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: and Kompa and Sassa and all that stuff. But to

815
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: hear R and B, I was like, what is that?

816
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: Who is singing? And it just it was everything to me.

817
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: And then from there I would have to say like

818
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: TV shows like um, like good Times. That was I

819
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: didn't see us like you know on TV. So that

820
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: was it. And then I would say I would jump

821
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: to clueless, clueless. That was cultures called hills, that was

822
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: rich kids, that was you know, um, that was that

823
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: was big for me. I hate to say that. You

824
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: know what's funny the only you are our second housewife

825
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: we've had on and Dr Wendy was the first. And

826
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: she said clueless. She said clueless, She's what? Yeah? She

827
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: also wasn't She's a Nigerian immigrant and she said that

828
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: that was like she had like especial seeing like Dion

829
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: and then she said, yeah, Dion was everything. Everybody wanted

830
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: Dion Um, all the girls wanted Dion Um. Oh my god.

831
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: From there, I would say would dumb and Louise bi culture,

832
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, culture, And I discovered my husband in

833
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: my head, Bradkitt dumping on the bed shirtless. Yes, I

834
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: mean I think that was the first time that I

835
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: got moist. I mean, in many ways same, I did

836
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: things to my body I didn't know are possible. It really,

837
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: it really is such a visceral sex appeal. I mean,

838
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean even now, like I just we

839
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: just saw him in the Lost City and he was

840
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: in it. I'm in it for two seconds. But I

841
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: just just for a seen barely. So what so what

842
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: it was fun? We we we we shot the d

843
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: R and it was lovely. It wasn't it wasn't it

844
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: wasn't Haiti, I know, but it was just what a

845
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: beautiful part of the world. What did you shoot with?

846
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: I shot with Sandy, with Sandy Bull and your your

847
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: co star Channing Tatums Sandy, Sandy, We're on Sandy n

848
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: She's in the phone of Sandy, Sandy Sandy be but

849
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: but but then it was also with Channing Tatum your Yes,

850
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: so White House down, I go to shoot, I'm in

851
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: the trailer. I come out of the trailer and Channing

852
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: is walking towards me. I swear to god, it was

853
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: slow motion and I could not believe somebody was that fine.

854
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: I believe incredibly incredibly and so nice, so so wonderful. Yeah,

855
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: really great guy. But I I think I had that

856
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: same sensory experience to where, you know, but in terms

857
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: of like it felt so like like that is a

858
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: movie star, like the air in the room, just like changes.

859
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I saw Channing Tatum in

860
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: Coach Card and I was like, ab solutely Coach Carter.

861
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: He was. He was literally one of the high school

862
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 1: It's like a basketball movie. Um, I know the movie.

863
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: I didn't even realize he was in it. It was like,

864
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: I think the only other thing he had done or

865
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: was gonna do was like step up came like maybe

866
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: right after that, and I was like, but who is that?

867
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: I mean he is. He's just so physically perfect that

868
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: it's that it's jarring. And yeah, I guess like the

869
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: only other person on screen that really cut through like

870
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: that might be like Brad from way back in in

871
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: in this movie, it's chanting in Brad sort of doing

872
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: like a few scenes together, sharing the frame, and you go,

873
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: where do I look? You know, You're like these two

874
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: people who are kind of just like are playing off

875
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: of each other like physically in a way like one

876
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: like they both look like each other. Do you know

877
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: what I mean? Right right? I can't wait to see

878
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it this weekend. Especially, Oh, thank you,

879
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: Thank you. Brad is like an awakening for so many people.

880
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen five Club. I hadn't seen Tom and Louise,

881
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: Like I came in late on the brand train. But

882
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: he was eating food. He was like eating, stepping his

883
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: face in every scene. And I was like, he can

884
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: make that, you can make eating look sexy. Yeah, some

885
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: people got it. I want to ask him. So when

886
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: you said R and B music, who were your favorite artists? Oh,

887
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: my god, back in the day. For me, it was

888
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: my first concert was Teddy Pendergrass because my sister Pendergrass.

889
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: Um everybody from like the Jackson five to Marvin Gay to,

890
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many, and one of them this

891
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: is not our. I mean one of my favorite songs

892
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: is Stair with Heaven. Oh that's a hard left that.

893
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm a complex girl. Absolutely, you contain multitudes. I similarly

894
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: um like for some reason, like I was, I'm a

895
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: white kid from Long Island, but I started I started

896
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: listening to exclusively like late nineties R and B. So

897
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: I looked I was recently home and I found like

898
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: a C D jacket and it was like brand the

899
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: Monica Mariah when she put out the Butterfly album, like

900
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: Lauren Hill. Mis Education of Lauren was the best album

901
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: ever ever. We just had the Grammys and I was

902
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: like I was, I was thinking to myself, like every

903
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: that's all. That's great work, But then where are the

904
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: formative albums? You know what I mean? Like mis Education

905
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: that was like a formative albums out When you said

906
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: R and B, I just thought of my own like

907
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: a weekending with that. But looking at how Bruno Mars,

908
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: like how many awards he won last night that at

909
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: the Grammys that, you know, it goes to show you

910
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: that there's still people that love because I feel like

911
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: he's sort of old school R and B. Yeah, and

912
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: and and Baptiste too, just like so what what a

913
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: talented multi talent. I didn't realized he was doing all that.

914
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: I didn't either, blown away and I started following him,

915
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, as soon as I finished watching the show,

916
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: and I'm obsessed. Talk about a gorgeous man too, Oh

917
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: my god, odd he is stunning too. And it's so

918
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,479
Speaker 1: funny because like you see you forget that these guys

919
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: are like band leaders on late night shows like Quest Love,

920
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: Winning the Oscar Don Betsy's Sweeping the Grammys, and they're

921
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: literally like on Coldbart and Fallon killing it every night.

922
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, like, that has to be

923
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: a demanding around the clock, I would imagine, because you're

924
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: like musical directing these huge shows, and then they also

925
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: have time to create these brilliant works. I mean, just

926
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: so cool. Bravo, Bravo, bravo, all around for sure, absolute bravo, Bravo, Bravo.

927
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't realize that. I didn't even Oh god,

928
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: that's funny. Have you ever done that? Or now it's

929
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: like you don't you know not to apparently, how is Denise?

930
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: I think she's good. We text, we haven't seen each other.

931
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: She's good. Thing. Um, I think she wanted to come back,

932
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: but I think that doors closed. Now. I remember when

933
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: you went on Watch What Happens Live and said that

934
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: I imagine that you have so many concentric circles of friends.

935
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: If you're write about this and in the book in

936
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: a way that feels great, like you have your inner

937
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: circle of friends that you are confidence with. And then

938
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: they are like, oh, you call them the front row people,

939
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: and there's some relegated relegated to the nose bleeds. Yes,

940
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: sometimes you got to put them up there if they

941
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: if they're not living up to their you know, front

942
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: row status. But yeah, my front row is everything. Like

943
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: I don't. We don't have to talk every day, but

944
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: when we need each other, we are there and we

945
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: know who we are, and they uplift, they check you

946
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: if they need to. I mean, it's what you want

947
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: and friends you don't want friends that are just gonna say, yes,

948
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: you're amazing every day. Of course, so that's great. I don't.

949
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: I don't take that for granted in my life at all.

950
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: Like I I look around and I go, wow, I'm

951
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: so lucky to have these people who I get to

952
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: just you can be honest with me, and I'm not

953
00:50:54,760 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: not not not not everybody necessarily has that right this

954
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: business that we're all in, you know, you want to

955
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: know who's really there for you. Yeah. I think that's

956
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: also a reason why it's really important to keep those

957
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: people that have been with you for a long time,

958
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: Like you know, I think Bowen said this the other day.

959
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: I think we've been friends for fourteen years, like and

960
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: it's it's just so funny because like, so life has

961
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: so many ups and downs and changes. But I still

962
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: feel like I can say anything to Bowen, and I

963
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: think he can say anything to me. And I would

964
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: get nervous if I felt like I couldn't tell my

965
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: friend the truth exactly exactly. You know, they may not

966
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: like it sometimes, but I think that's what being friends is,

967
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's about. Yeah, I wanted to ask about

968
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,479
Speaker 1: like the relationship with you and everyone on The Real too,

969
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: because the reason why it's my favorite panel show is

970
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: because it not to like not that no, no, I

971
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: watch it. Well, I don't watch it live every day,

972
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: but I always go on YouTube and it's always all

973
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: over my landing page because I really do genuinely think

974
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: you guys talk about important ship like I think that

975
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: you talk about life things. And I love how emotional

976
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: the panel gets and it feels it feels like it

977
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: really walks the walk of being the Real because you know,

978
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: I just think everyone on the show is such a

979
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: star and you have really filled it out in such

980
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: a great way. Um. But I've been such a fan

981
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: of Adrian's for so long. I remember the first time

982
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: on Star Search. I'm not even kidding. I said she's

983
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: a star, and when she didn't win, I was like,

984
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: this show is sarked up. Um, And then you know

985
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: Genie as well. I'm such a fan, and so not

986
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: only do I like everyone individually, but it's the chemistry

987
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: together that is not just handed to you. It's been

988
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: so great. I mean I had been on the show before, um,

989
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: you know, promoting whatever it is that I was promoting,

990
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: but it's another thing to see them every day, and

991
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: especially now that we're in person, I mean we can talk.

992
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes we have to shut us up between

993
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: commercial breaks so we can come back, you know, because

994
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: we just have Although we're all women of color, we

995
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: have so many different like our lifestyles are different about

996
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: and it's really great that there's no judgment. You can

997
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: just say how you feel and we accept it even

998
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: if we don't agree. Yeah, there's genuine disagreement to without

999
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: feeling nervous. Like when I watched the View, I actually

1000
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 1: had to stop because I feel like, especially when Megan

1001
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: was there, I would always feel nervous, like it made

1002
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: me anxious to watch and I didn't need more social

1003
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: anxiety in my life. So but when I watched The Real,

1004
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: it's it's offering perspective and there's real listening happening. Yes,

1005
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: that's a really good point. Thank you for saying that.

1006
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 1: Thank you. I hope it doesn't go away. What's the story.

1007
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. It started off as a rum where

1008
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: we haven't heard yet, and we we end at the

1009
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: end of this month, so you know, hopefully readers watch

1010
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: the Real. You gotta watch the reel. I feel like

1011
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: it's it's filling this hole that um not to not

1012
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: to invoke this, but I feel like I feel like

1013
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: you all talk about health, which in a very like

1014
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: honest way that like I think hasn't been talked about

1015
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: since like Oprah. Like I think Oprah was was like

1016
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: the kind of the last daytime person to like talk

1017
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: about like specifically like women's health in a way that

1018
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: was just like necessary and if like the four of

1019
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: you kind of are able to hit on that in

1020
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: a very honest way. In the four you, you are

1021
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: very open about what each person is going through. No,

1022
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: I love that too, And I feel like we can

1023
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: also talk about our community better than anybody else because

1024
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: while living it, which is really great. So I do

1025
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: love that. I love that we talked about mental health,

1026
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: we talk about women's issues, we talked about everything, and

1027
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: we have fun doing it today. Actually, when I left,

1028
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: Lonnie had switched her wig around and she was ridiculous.

1029
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: It was hid. Lonnie is just one of the funniest people.

1030
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: She got it. And and not not to bring up

1031
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: my own work again, but I do remember one of

1032
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: the first like people to compliment me on the iceberg,

1033
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: Lonnie tweeted it like was just shouting it from the

1034
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: rooftops on Twitter, just being like that was bo and

1035
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: Yang wow. And I was like, Lonnie, Lonnie love just

1036
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: saw that. Oh my god, I just I freaked out.

1037
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: I think I was the first to screenshot that and

1038
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: sent it to you because peek behind the curtain. I

1039
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: was actually sitting here on this couch recovering from a

1040
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: rhino plasty that I needed to have, so I'm like, literally,

1041
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: it's not it wasn't enough that I didn't get a

1042
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: full face bandage watching Bow and Slay on television, and

1043
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: I was just like, I was so proud. I can't

1044
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: even cry or smile or laugh because it would hurt.

1045
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: But but I then went on Twitter just to see

1046
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: what everyone was saying, and Lonnie Love had popped all

1047
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: the way off about the iceberg. It was so good,

1048
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: it was so good. But she's so good about supporting

1049
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: that that's important. Yeah, I can, I can, we can tell,

1050
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: really tell that. She's just like she's she's real, she's

1051
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: she's on the reel. Yeah. Shall we move to I

1052
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay.

1053
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: So this is sort of you're never going to believe this,

1054
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: but an iconic segment of the podcast where we take

1055
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: sixty seconds to absolutely rant drag rave about a particular

1056
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: subject in pop culture that you know deserves it, and unfortunately,

1057
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: um that time is now so sorry. In advance to

1058
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: the topics that we discussed, we iconically did not do

1059
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: a topical episode last week. We had a banked episode,

1060
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Speaker 1: so we did not get to touch on what might

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00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: be one of the biggest pop culture events in recent history.

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Speaker 1: And I have haven't I don't think so, honey. That

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00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: may disappoint our readers even more because I'm going to

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00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 1: talk about the evening, but not that I see. Okay,

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00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: this is this is perfect prefacing. This is Matt Rodgers.

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00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: I think, so, honey, A time starts now. I don't

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00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,439
Speaker 1: think so, honey. People dragging Amy Schumer for that bit

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00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: with Kirsten Dunston Jesse Clemons. So she asked Kirsten Dunce

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00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: to get up because she thought she was a seat

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00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: filler so she could like flirt with Jesse Clemons, and

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00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: people on Twitter actually thought she was being disrespectful to

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00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: Kirsten Dunst. You guys, I don't think so, honey. It's

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00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: called humor, it's called jokes. I understand we had all

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00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: just been through a shared traumatic moment watching what happened unfold,

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00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: but we can't lose our sense of humor. Jamy Schumer

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00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: is the host of the show. Everything she does on

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00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: camera is a planned bit. There are no moments of riffing.

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00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: Well I was, you know, that's probably not true, but

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00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: with the host, that's not how it works. I don't

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00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: think so, honey. Also, people are not giving Kirsten Dunce

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00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: the credit. Just because she played that expertly and made

1082
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: you think she was annoyed doesn't mean she wasn't in

1083
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: on it. She's an amazing actress. And yet again, Kirston

1084
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: Dunts perfectly underplaying something and not get in the credit

1085
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: for it. I don't think so, honey, readers do better.

1086
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: And that's one minute, because because if we don't know

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00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: that's not a bit, we don't deserve to watch TV.

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00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, who doesn't doesn't She had to

1089
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: get on Twitter and be like, guys, I knew it

1090
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: was Kirsen dunched. It was a bit she was in on,

1091
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: like I would never disrespect the queen like that, Like,

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00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: come on, come on, she's she's the damn host. It's

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00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: gonna be produced, Like there have been meetings about every

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00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: single thing she's gonna do on that show. Knows who's

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00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: sitting in what seats, they have the whole seating chart

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00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: and the whole thing. Yeah, And then when she said

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00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: to Jesse, I'm such a fan of your work, It's

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00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: like she's like, who are you here with? And he

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00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: was like, my wife and and she was like, you're

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00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: married to that seed filler. I just thought the whole

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00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: thing was great. And then to go online and have

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00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: people ruin it by wasting their breath with their takes

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00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: about how it was disrespectful. I think people have too

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00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: many takes. That's my note for the oscars of it

1105
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: all is too many takes. Everyone needs to just relax, relax, relax.

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00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: You know what I think it was that, you know,

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00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: the critical mass of like the slap discourse had been reached,

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00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: and I think people were looking for other things to

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00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: like talk about. Yeah, that's a good point. That might

1110
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: have been it. Yeah. Yeah, it hit the ceiling and

1111
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: they were like, what do I do with all this energy?

1112
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: Was what happened? Reckless with it? Um? Okay, So that's

1113
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: one to chew on for everyone at home. Bow and Yang,

1114
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: do you have it prepared? I don't think so, honey,

1115
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: Um I do I do. I'd love to hear that.

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00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to hear. All right, Bowen Yang,

1117
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: this is your I don't think so, honey. Your time

1118
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey. Jared Letto being

1119
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: still the worst coworker in Hollywood. There are these stories

1120
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: coming out now about him on the more bea set

1121
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: taking twenty minutes to pee or not even twenty minutes,

1122
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: but more than twenty minutes, having to be wheeled out

1123
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair has nothing to do with his character.

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00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: His character is not in a wheelchair in this movie,

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00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: or is not physically, you know, incapable of walking himself

1126
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: to to the restroom. This is another sort of pseudo

1127
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: method bullshit thing that he's putting his entire set through.

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Speaker 1: And now there's reports of him aspiring to be a pedophile,

1129
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: to play a pedophile and then going method with that. Honey,

1130
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: that's gonna go. How do you think that's gonna go?

1131
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: Jared Letto, We've got to end this fifty year old man.

1132
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: Have some respect for yourself, Have some respect for your coworkers.

1133
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: You do not stand with YATSA. You do not stand

1134
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: with SAG, you do not five g A. You're an

1135
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: anti union man. If you were literally running the clock

1136
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: and making people's days worse. And that's one minute when

1137
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: I heard Anne Hathaway say she felt like she had

1138
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: never even met him until the respect how about that

1139
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: they probably weren't together for four months. Have you ever

1140
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: had a co star that was method Garcel? No, not really,

1141
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Oh no, no, no, no, no

1142
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 1: no no. I had this one actor who I said

1143
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: I will never work with the in We was so difficult.

1144
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: He would say nutes in the middle of the night

1145
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: to myself and the director about how he saw the scene.

1146
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: At one point, his character had to cook my character breakfast.

1147
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: He wanted six different knives because the knives that they

1148
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: brought were not good enough. And I was just like,

1149
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:25,959
Speaker 1: just act like you're cooking breakfast. Yeah. We all had,

1150
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, our own parking spots. And he would come

1151
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: in with his fancy car and he'd go, I'm worried

1152
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: about my car here. Well, everybody else's car is here.

1153
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: That is not my little but it shouldn't be. No.

1154
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: But but I had to ask, because you really have

1155
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: worked with so many and when I say of the greats,

1156
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: that means that you know some of them are going

1157
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: to be crazy, crazy crazy, Oh my god. Okay have

1158
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: you have you have you ever gotten fully method or

1159
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: not fully method? But just like kind of like I

1160
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: think it depends on if if it's a dark character

1161
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: or someplace I have to go like really deep, that's

1162
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: you know that I want to be safe with. I

1163
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: will then zone out, no phone, stay in my trailer,

1164
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: get in the zone, whether it's music or whatever, and

1165
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: then I'll walk out and I'll do it, and I

1166
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: won't want to sort of break character while the directors

1167
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: giving notes or while they're you know, just so that

1168
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: I can stay in the zone. Sure, I think you

1169
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: play it. You played a pretty villainous person in this

1170
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: in the short film that you and Lisa produced, Yes,

1171
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: Lalo's House. Yeah, that was deep. That was based on

1172
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: a true story. Um, these two little girls that get

1173
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: kidnapped and they wake up and they're at a convent

1174
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: and the convent is being run as a sex trafficking ring.

1175
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: So I lead none who is in jail right now

1176
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: in Haiti. But I mean it's a global issue. It's

1177
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: not just a Haiti issue. But we saw, Yeah, that

1178
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: was that was really great to hear about that, and

1179
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: also great to hear about the acclaim that it received.

1180
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: It was the rector doing so well after it. That's

1181
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: that had to be very gratifying to it was, actually,

1182
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: but not as gratifying us completing. And I don't think so, honey, Garcelas,

1183
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: do you have a topic in mind? I do, Okay,

1184
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: in that case, this is Garcellas. I don't think Sonny,

1185
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: her time starts now, Okay, I don't think so, honey.

1186
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: Cancel culture. Oh yet, a fucking grip. We are human,

1187
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: we make mistakes, We're gonna do stupid things. Give us,

1188
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: Educate us, don't cancel us. It's stupid. We're human and everybody,

1189
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: please lighten up. Laugh with them, cheer them on, cheer

1190
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: them on. All they want to do is make you laugh.

1191
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: Stop taking everything so personally, don't hit anybody, don't. I'm

1192
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: so sick of it, the cancel culture. We're allowed to

1193
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: make mistakes. Who is the police, the cancel least. It's insane.

1194
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: I will have it. Give me a time, like from

1195
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: running out of Okay, so stop canceling people. We are

1196
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: all human beings. You've made mistakes, I've made mistakes. We're

1197
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: still gonna continue making mistakes. Let's love one another. Let's

1198
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: just some grace and you can't take it. Get out

1199
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: of the room, stop following the person you stick of

1200
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: And that's one minute, that's one minute. There's this, there's

1201
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, we've reached a place where

1202
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: like there's no nuance when anyone talks about like you know,

1203
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: like wrongdoing, it's it's it's, it's it's it's so it's

1204
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: hard and like, oh my gosh, especially after the oscars,

1205
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: it's like there's no way in for anybody anymore to

1206
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: even like have a shared reality. Or or shared like

1207
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: sense of like what what even happened? Yeah, it's just

1208
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: I think we all need to lighten up. Not everything

1209
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: is racist, Not everything is um, you know, controversial. Let's

1210
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: just slap a a little bit. You know, that's fun,

1211
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, I would say recently, um, like when Jane

1212
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: Campion made her comment about Venus and Serena and the

1213
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: Internet really went in on her that day, I kind

1214
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: of felt like, that's and and it's always I always

1215
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: feel nervous saying this because I'm aware that I'm a

1216
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: white man and so I shouldn't speak for necessarily or

1217
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: like way in on how these black women are to

1218
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: feel about how that was said. But to me, that

1219
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: felt like a bad joke or an attempt at humor

1220
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: by someone someone who wasn't funny trying to make a

1221
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: joke and I was. And I think, you know, because

1222
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: the subjects of the joke were Venus and Serena, people

1223
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: obviously feel very protective over them, and they jumped to

1224
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: these certain conclusions. And also, you know, if there's a

1225
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: world where they are correct, but also there's a world

1226
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: where they or not, And it almost feels like in

1227
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: that instance, and then and then with everything that happened

1228
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: with will Smith. I keep thinking because in the days

1229
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: that followed the slap, I kept feeling worse and worse

1230
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: about it. And I realized the reason I kept feeling

1231
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: worse and worse about it was the discourse kept kind

1232
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: of you know, I know, and I feel like I

1233
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: agree with you with Jane Champion. First of all, just

1234
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: think about it. This woman just want a big awards.

1235
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,959
Speaker 1: She got up there. She's not a comedian. She tried

1236
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: to tell a joke and she met Well, no, I

1237
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: think she was just saying, like, we're strong, We're going

1238
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: up against men. I go up against men all the time.

1239
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: The girls don't go up against men as tennis players exactly.

1240
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: They go up against me maybe in business. So it's

1241
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: just everybody is so uptight and nit picking at everything.

1242
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: And we and and Matt and I can say because

1243
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: we were at the Critics Choice of wards where that happened,

1244
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 1: all parties are, all parties involved at the after party

1245
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: were twirling. We're twirling. No one was having a blast

1246
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: like we saw, all parties involved truly getting their life

1247
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: at the Netflix after party. And then you go online

1248
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: and everyone was so upset for them and at them,

1249
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: and it was like, wait, have you actually considered how

1250
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: this person actually feels about it, or are we just

1251
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: assigning them a response, an emotional response, the nerves. Maybe

1252
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: she was nervous. She just want like, yeah, it was

1253
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: just it was just a bad joke. Yeah, I didn't

1254
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. She's not a comedian. That's

1255
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: not what she does. Right there you go. Well, this

1256
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: was truly such a pleasure. And Garcella, thank you so

1257
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: much for gracing us with your presence on our humble podcast.

1258
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to I was so happy. You guys

1259
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: are fantastic. And I have a quick flavor before we

1260
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: wrap it. I'll let you Yes, well, I was just

1261
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: going to mention I would be I would be remiss

1262
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: if I didn't remind everyone at home that loved me

1263
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: as I am. Garcella's This incredible book is out on

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01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: April twelve. You can preorder it now. I think we're

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Speaker 1: putting the episode out so that we can say we

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Speaker 1: had you first before you start hitting the circuit um.

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Speaker 1: But we I've read it, we loved it. There's lots

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Speaker 1: of you know, you know you really you've been through

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Speaker 1: so much. And Risen above so much. And you've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of really great um nuggets in here and

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Speaker 1: stuff that I would write down next to Burnet Brown's

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Speaker 1: ship any day. And how Beverly Hills is back on

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Speaker 1: May eleventh, very exciting and much more to come, I

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Speaker 1: guess anything else you want to let people know about?

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Speaker 1: Much more to come, much more to come. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: end every episode with a song. We end every episode

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Speaker 1: with a song. What's the song tonight? We always decide

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Speaker 1: in the moment, Oh goodly, you better watch that thing,

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Speaker 1: so listen to that. I love it. You can go

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Speaker 1: copy the album Miseducation of Laarren Hill, released in n

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Speaker 1: and it's in stores now if there are still record stores.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye,